Justin Shaw the author of Sourcery 101: 13 Rungs to a Higher Elevation of Consciousness

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Speaker 2 (01:25):
Please welcome in, Justin Shaw, Hello, good to be here.

Speaker 5 (01:29):
There everywhere. It's sematic the internet right exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Man, So just so, want you tell ebody a little
bit about yourself?

Speaker 5 (01:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:37):
So yeah, it sounds good to kind of know a
little bit of background whenever. You know, when I was
a teenager and they sent me to therapist and I
can you know, I be all, what do you know
about paint?

Speaker 7 (01:48):
What?

Speaker 5 (01:48):
What have you ever been through? What do you even know?

Speaker 6 (01:50):
Like you know, it's being a real towerp you know,
like so, but but it is. It's it's good to
you know, there's sympathy and there's empathy. You know, sympathy
is listening to someone's pay ords. Empathy is filing along
with them. And I like to let people know I
have a lot of empathy. I kind of grew up
in what I like to call an emotional vacuum and
for kind of a sensitive you know, like a guy

(02:13):
like me that you know has you know, has a
lot of questions about things, and you know, it's my
mother just really.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
She was just very very ignorant.

Speaker 6 (02:21):
She did she did, She didn't know, she she didn't
care to know a lot about the world. She didn't
do a lot of investigating. She her her her world was,
you know, her her upbringing was crappy too, and it
just it made her just internalized. And she was a
very depressed and anxious person and she hide it well
at times, but it was pretty obvious. So we we,

(02:41):
you know, we you know, my dad was around when
I was younger, but there was a divorce and I
don't know how those two I came along much later
in life. You know, they were already married for twenty
years when I came along, and all my brothers and
sisters had moved out they were, so I was. I was,
which called surprise. She never certainly it was nice enough,
never called a mistake, she was, but.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
You were surprised.

Speaker 6 (03:01):
So you know, I kind of came along, and you know,
that crack in the marriage, you know, came turned into
a canyon, and so you know, they separated and with
their separate ways, which was actually for.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
The best now that I see it for sure.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
But but it was just her and I, you know,
in the house growing up, and and you know, there
was just a lot of alone time that I mean,
she would she would be we do our things together.
She didn't like to cook or do anything, so we'd
go out to eat. That would be our time together.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
You know.

Speaker 6 (03:29):
She would do things like, you know, take me to
a toy store one time. That's how she showed love.
She she couldn't express love in any other way. She
wasn't good at hugging, she wasn't good at she never
said the word. So I grew up without that word
involved in my life at all.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
So that's that's a big problem.

Speaker 6 (03:46):
You know, in the nineteen twenties, babies, you know, they
were having a problem with babies dying in orphanages and
and they realized that, you know, they needed to be helped.
They needed that babies need love, which which on on
a biological level, if you take care of something, it
doesn't make a lot of sense on a bio you know,
if you take care of you feed it, and you

(04:07):
give it clothing, change it divers it should survive, right,
Well they don't. They started dying. So they realized they
had to take it and hold the babies and give
if they wanted them to survive. So love is a
really really important thing. It's what we're here to get
better at and learn. And so it was something I
just didn't have a lot of and had a very

(04:29):
strange relationship growing up.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
So let me ask you a question on that note.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah, it did make relationships though when you got older
a little weirder for you when people started showing you love.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Was it kind of like you're like, oh, what is that?
Hold on? I don't know what that is?

Speaker 4 (04:41):
That kind of the response you gave though, Yeah, absolutely,
And and it was a I couldn't let's say the
word I had it like, because I'd never said it
growing up.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
It was like this, it was a foreign feeling. It
was a foreign thing. And and yeah, I struggled my
entire life in relationships. I can't seem to make them
last asked. And you know, like things are changing now
that I've you know, in the past couple of years
of you know, my healing really taking place in writing
this book, and you know, things have really changed. I
haven't I haven't gone back to that, but you know,
I just you know that I couldn't make it. I

(05:13):
didn't really want to make a relationship last more in
the year and I, you know, this concept of love
and you know, like I I it was just foreign
to me before I you know, all my all these
things happened to me and my healing happened, and yeah,
it made things really difficult.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yeah, I got though, man. I could definitely say that
because like, you were never raised with it.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
You didn't know what it was.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
Your mom was an affectionate to you. So like you
see other people then you're like, oh what is that?
I mean, you know what that is over there? Yeah,
you know, and that kind of thing. And then fast
forward to where you're now. It's like before your healing, Jammy,
it was it was hard for people to understand there,
but like, oh, well you're just cold. No, that's just
how it was brought up. So it's a little different
for me. And I'm sure partners you had at the
time were just like didn't understand what your thought process.

(05:53):
Even if you were to explain it to them, hapen
probably wouldn't still comprehend what you've been saying to them anyways.
You know, it makes all the same in the world, man,
So I get it though. I understand it because my
mom she banned it was ten man, and I didn't
realize how much how much issues that caused me all
through my life, Like I had rage issues. I spent
a lot of time, like yourself, by myself, man, I
was blown by myself.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
I pretty much did my own thing. And I'm used
to being a loner.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
So that's that kind of branched off to now where
I like to be like by myself away from other
people because I'm just used to it by now.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
It's just just how I am.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
I like to keep to myself, you know, and it
kind of calls me a homebody or hermit crab, but
it's it's just what I was raised with, Like I
had defend on my own, like I stick to my
own basically, you know, I do have friends, I just
keep very little circles of friends just because I don't.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Trust a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
And it could be not just the thing too, because
my parents split when they were young as well too,
and it was just like when they split, I had
no emotions about it. My mom thought I was broken
because so she was taking me to therapy and time
the therapist I had problems when it was really her
had the coping issues because I didn't. I didn't see
it the same way she did, you know, And she
was just always trying to make me feel like I'm
the crazy one. I'm like, oh, I don't know about

(06:59):
this man. And when the therapist told her, she got
so mad she just stormed out the room. I was like, well,
I don't know what to tell you. The professionals tell
you this. I'm just like ten years old. I don't
know what else you want me to from me, Mom,
I don't know what else.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
I'm just a kid. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
Yeah, And these emotions we go through, they get caught
and then they they become who we are, and we're
just you know, we're living in a society of you know, dysfunctional,
programmed people.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
There's there's just a lot.

Speaker 6 (07:29):
There's just a lot and and it and it helps
me certainly when dealing with people is to understand, this
is just someone who's a reflection of their environment, and
that's just you know, it's there are no good and
bad people. There's just a society of people making choices
about who they want to be every day. And it's
it's it just it.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
It is what it is. But it's it's it's you know,
the healing portion of it.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
Once you kind of realize, you know what these things
and and and anxiety in particular, you know, they're there's there.
What the mind forgets, the body remembers. So there's a
lot of things that that are just you know, in
our bodies that that aren't really and that's the problem
with anxiety.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
It's very very tricky, right, Like, so my.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
Body will remember something like, you know, my mom had
a lot of anxiety, and I believe that was I
and the womb, and you know, she was an older
mother and so there was a lot of anxiety around it.
And so I've absorbed all that and I've had anxiety
in my whole life, and so you know, my I
realize now that you know my body will start to
fire off and remember something, and then my mind will

(08:32):
want to tick on something in this world, in this
in this reality that and it wants to blame something.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
So I mean, this is this is what happens with people.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
That have you know, really hard uh you know, phobias
of things, irrational things, you know, water, you know, crowds, airplanes,
and and it's because they have these moments of where
you're the body is remembering something and then they're finding
something and they're it's like, oh, you know, I'm outside.
Oh that's what's causing this this issue you and and
that's and that's that's the issue I'm having. And so

(09:03):
I you know, when these moments come up, I now
you know either And there's there's all kinds of things
in the book that that go over you know, things
that have helped me so much, you know, you know,
medical free things that that you know, calm me down
in the moment. There's so many little tricks I've learned
over the years, and and and it's I just realized, now,

(09:24):
this is the past giving me a visit. It's nothing
more than that. And they happen, but it has nothing
to do with what's going on in the outside with
these kind of attacks or panic of things.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
And and anxiety.

Speaker 6 (09:37):
I tried to It's like I explain to someone like,
what is it like himing anxiety? And I was just like, well,
you know, I'm sure you've had you've you've you This
was someone who's familiar with the corporate world as I'm
sure you've given speeches to you know, people around that.
You know that your bosses and things, really important things.
You know, how you feel right before you go on
that Just imagine that feeling all the.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Time, no reason.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
And it's it's just this, it's just this trapped energy
that like and and but there is healing to it.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
I don't suffer from that anymore.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
It's it's amazing, Like I but I used to just
be all the time. I felt like all the time
I was about to get on a stage and it
was a life or death.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
You know a thing that Yeah, no, I know the feeling,
trusts me. I agree, Man, it was horrible.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
It's like your heart starts racing and then if you've
ever people have never had a panic attack, it's just
like having a heart attack almost. It just just starts
racing and you start going, you can't breathe, the walls
feel like they're closing in, and like everyone thinks you're
being dramatic, and it's like, yeah, you don't know what
you're looking at. Like you you see somebody freaking out,
but you have no idea what they're freaking out their
head about. And it's just like it's funny when people

(10:43):
try to talk to me about it and tell me, oh.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
You need to calm down, Like I wish that was
so much.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Easier than you think it is, because my anxiety really
isn't too bad anymore. I mean it's gotten better because
I've learned techniques and things like that and help, you know,
and people in the show have actually given me different
techniques I've been using.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
And stuff like that. So I've got it pretty much
good control.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
But there's sometimes or just something's just like I get
so stressed out I'm doing something, I'll just start going
into a complete panic mode and my brain will start
take off and here we go off to the race
as we go, man, and it'll just start swirling, you know,
and things like that, you know, and I've had a
freak out moment. I'm at work and my bosses we're
all coming to talk to me. They're like, oh, you
just need to calm down, Oh you need to just
I'm like, okay, that's why I'm walking away from this situation,

(11:23):
spacing myself. But you're not making this any better but
coming in and keep adding more things to the conversation,
you know, And it's just funny to see how how
disconnected people are. But then they always want to mention, oh, well,
this month's you know, mental awareness. These corporations send it out.
It's like, but you guys really understand these things on
a deeper level. I don't think you do, because the
way your people that are infrastructure and set above, you

(11:44):
don't have any idea how to handle these situations when
they freak out. Like me, I know how to handle
somebody who says, panicking a little bit because from my experience,
like I can tell when people are having problems from
certain things, like I could feed out there, I read
your energy in the room. I could read it like you.
I could tell when somebody's having a rough time and
just ask them and then for whatever reason, it's just
something in my star. My star chart says that you

(12:05):
know basically that people have this tendency to tell me
things even though they didn't intend to tell me, and
the originally, which is funny just because I've gotten so
many interesting conversations that alone.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
You know.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
But it's like I understand, man, I get exactly what
you're saying. But people that don't experience it, it's it's
funny because when you have to explain it to them, they.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Look at you and laugh, Oh, that's something too big.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
Okay, well listen, you go through that, and then you
tell me what it's like, and we let us know. Okay,
we'll wait here and watch it, you know, because I
think a lot of them don't get it until they
actually experience it for themselves, or they may have had
that moment like you said, where they're like getting ready
to do that big speech from all the bosses and
just start like have that real fast raced pulse going
and things like that, and don't realize it's a constant
state for people like us, you know it when it's

(12:46):
really bad for us, it's like that, And then other
people are just kind of like, oh, you know, just relax,
it's okay, relax, And those are the people I feel like,
just don't get it. Regardless if you were explained to
some of them, I just don't think they'd even care
to be like, oh okay, that just.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Sounds like hogwashed me.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
Yeah, oh yeah, No, there's there's a lot of misunderstanding.
And that's and that's kind of the society we live in.
And it has to be people that have been through
it to to really be able to help. Because in
particularly the medical community, which I you know, have you know,
a love hate relationship with, right like, because of my
whole process through it and my twenty years spent and

(13:21):
you know, and and and it's not to say that
you know, the medical community is.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
Bad, because you know that the world is the world
of gray.

Speaker 6 (13:27):
You know, the medical the whole Western view of of
medicine is both helpful and destructive. Yeah, you know, it's
it's two things can be true at once. You know,
if if I fall off a ladder and you know,
let's see that I've got a bone sticking out of
my arm, well that's that's not a good time for
meditation or you know like that, you know, occupunt acupuncture

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isn't going to do too much in that moment, right Like,
I need to go to a doctor and I need
to get that set and fixed, because if I don't,
it's not going to heal wet right, and it's to
be it's going to be a problem for the rest
of your life you don't heal right. So that the
whole idea of this whole sorcery thing is is to
set the emotional slash spiritual bone so that your body heals.

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Because you know, once once the doctor does the surgery
and like sets the bone, well, well, now the body
heals itself.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
What made the body heals the body? And the same
goes for.

Speaker 6 (14:20):
These emotional problems too, and they all root from the
spiritual problem and mental emotional whatever, it's all rooted in
spiritual bankruptcy.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
So that's where.

Speaker 6 (14:32):
This comes in, is it's a different way to look
at things instead of just you know, throwing pills. You
know that that's the whole thing. It's just it's all
about this. The focus in Western medicine is the symptoms.
It's what, okay, so you're you're drinking too much or
you go to a a and if you if you
you're doing drugs, you have a different meeting for that
because they don't like to hear about drugs and games,
there's different meanings for that. If you know, are you

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struggling from anxiety, okay, well there's pills for that, depression.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
Wanting to go talk to someone.

Speaker 6 (14:57):
So there's there's you know, like if you know, if
you're there's just so many different things, and it's all
about the symptom.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
The focus is always on the symptom.

Speaker 6 (15:06):
It would be like if if you went to you know,
if you had once a month that you had a
lunch with a bunch of people, one hundred people, and
every single month ninety.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Of those people got violently ill.

Speaker 6 (15:17):
Well, the Western medicine approach is to just dole out
anti nagra pills to all ninety of those people and
ignore the root cause, which is the quality of the food.
So it's it's it, and there's just just a really misunderstanding.
And it's not to say things are bad. They can
you know, you can, you can, you can use you
can still use pills and kind of go this kind
of SOT route I created too, and but it's there

(15:40):
are other routes to go. And I'm and I'm not
on anything anymore, and I feel better than I have
in my entire life. But when you start Yeah, when
you start to change, you know, like crossing the river
of change, you have to get through a massive undercurrent
of discomfort, and whenever you're trying to change and rewire
your brain, it is really difficult in the beginning. But

(16:02):
after repeated times and repeated things, and becoming living in
the energy of that healed person that you want to be,
it eventually happens to where that I always tell people,
don't stop before the miracle happens.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
The miracle happens.

Speaker 6 (16:15):
When you know you're forcing yourself to be this new person,
but you force it enough and you live in that
energy enough and it just then becomes a part of
you where it's no longer forced. You just are that person.
But in the beginning, it's really really difficult. And it's
been through it, I know, I know, I know, and
stopping everything I've I've had horrible drug issues, especially in

(16:39):
my twenties. My twenties just a dumpster fire, you know,
just I've spent nights in park benches and jails and
rehabs and halfway houses, and it's all you know, from
these these symptoms of anxiety and depression and you know,
substance abuse and all these but it's all that route
call that I now realize is the spiritual bankruptcy that's.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Many many people are suffering from, and they don't understand why.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Right, all right, so so let's talk about your books.
So i's for you one on one thirteen runs to
a higher elevation of consciousness. All right, how did you
even think of the book? Man? I mean, obviously your
own personal event, your journey through what you've been dealing with,
obviously had to be the starting point, amn't I right?

Speaker 6 (17:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And it was you know, there
was a series of you know, my childhood is kind
of lower T trauma, which is kind of that emotional neglect,
and you know, and then there's capital T trauma, which
I went through as an adult, and several a lot
of loss and grief.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Through a time period ofus.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
My mother, I lost, you know, a sister, a childhood friend.
I was attacked at the face by a large dog
at a drug dealer's house. You know, I had my
my son taken away from my fiance, moved across the
country and just cut me. I haven't seen him for
three years, so yeah, my infant son. So it's you know,
I had a lot of really really tough things. That's
they woes me. It's just I get pain. A lot

(17:58):
of really tough things happened. But what came out of
it it was, you know, I just had this moment
of like, well, you know, things really are going so
well in my life right now, and uh and and
I need some direction.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
I need, you know, hope, and what am I to do?

Speaker 6 (18:12):
And so this new direction is this kind of idea
for this system of healing. And I've I've been through
AA and it has its good points and it has
its not so good points, and so I felt like
there needed to be something different where there was no
First of all, there was no symptom discrimination where you know,
like AA is very discriminatory to the point where you know,

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like if you want to talk about drugs and an
alcohol meeting, that they don't like that. And even though
alcohol is freaking drug, you know, so so that without
the symptom, and you know, it can be anxiety depression,
like they're all the same thing. And that's what I realized.
It's like all these things are so if you get
to that core issue, you know, whatever you're suffering. I
suffer from gambling, if from sex addiction. I suffer from anxiety.

(18:54):
I suffer just ended as I suffer. Let's just stop
there and work with that. So that's what this does.
It starts that core issue, and that's that's I just
I knew I needed some way to kind of had
all this stuff in my mind and how to organize it,
and so that the twelve steps, I was like, Okay,
steps are steps are good, but you know what would

(19:14):
be better is you know, moving forward is good, but
moving up would be better.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
So yeah, see I get the concept of the rungs.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
After I was looking at it, was like, that's actually
a genius idea of doing it because you're just building
up climbing that rungs and ladders as you're getting to
the different points. And the way the book breaks it
down it's really good too. And you know, I thought
it was a really great breakdown of how you did
it and things like that. So hats off to you
on that one. But why Sorcerer you want on one?

Speaker 5 (19:38):
Though?

Speaker 4 (19:38):
That's such an interesting title. I mean that catches a
lot of people's attention, you know, just in general.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's and and I knew I needed
to catch a title, but as you can see, it's misspelled.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
So I'm right there at the little button to get mad. Now, yeah,
you see that.

Speaker 6 (19:53):
But it is about yeah, it is about very purposely done.
It is about source energy. That is what we can
connect to for healing. It is a it is a
field of information that surrounds us at all times. And
I like to tell people that.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Explaining source inenergy to human is like explaining.

Speaker 6 (20:09):
Water to a fish. So you know, if you explain
water to fish, it's difficult. It's like, well, it surround you.
You're moving because you're live because of it. You wouldn't
be here without water. And that's it's the exact same thing.
It's you know, science calls it dark matter. There is
a there's a substance here and there and everywhere it is,
and it is it connects everything in the universe does

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that field of information. And I had an incredible moment
That's that's where this book thing led to. Was this
this bliss attack I had and it was the most
wonderful and I've had several of them since then, and uh,
it's there. It was just this moment that I connected
to this field of information, and it's where the book
came from. You know, it's where songs come from, it's

(20:53):
where movies come from. Every where does an idea come from,
Well it comes you know, people connect to this field
without realizing that they're connecting to it. So it's it
was just this moment that it was just this pure
ecstasy moment.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
For three hours, I just had these waves of just.

Speaker 6 (21:10):
Bliss and ecstasy and and and I had these these
thoughts and downloads of that were I knew were truth
because of how it was feeling in the moment. And
so you know, this kind of illusionary nature to reality.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
And you know, I believe you one hundred percent, justin
because I had a woman on the show. I don't know,
I've ever heard her name for a Cherry and Boyle
has twelve published books. She explained something similar to what
you're explaining to she When we interviewed her, she was
sitting there and she was telling us that she tapped
into an empty she called spirit, and spirit basically did
exactly what you were experiencing just channeled through her. And
she was just writing away these books because she was

(21:44):
like she was just an average person. She said, that's
the way she describes to that as a housewife all
of a sudden had tapped into something just like you
were explaining, Just like that said that this this entity
of things she called spirit. Basically she tapped into spirit
and Spirit had just channeled through her the book. So
I believe one hundred percent what you're saying here.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Man.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
It is no far for anything. And anybody's watching this
I've seen that episode will know exactly what I'm talking
about because I I think Spirit itself had talked to
me during the episode, man, because at one point she
was just reading something from the book and I stop
and everything around me doesn't exist, Like Lily, sound stops
around me, and all I do is I feel something
and I'm like, whoa hold on?

Speaker 2 (22:21):
This is?

Speaker 4 (22:21):
This is something hard to explain. But I'm like, you
could watch my reaction. I stop for a minute and
then I start talking, just going I'm be like, oh
my god, what's happen?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
You know? So I believe me, man, I I love it.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
I love hearing it too, because I believe in that
whole thing because it's hard to say not after what
I experienced, it's hard to tell me that it's not
a real thing.

Speaker 6 (22:39):
Yeah, and that is source energy that you connected to,
and that is, you know, the unified field of the quantumy,
the cash it field, like there's there's a million names
for God. I mean fronta g It's it's a million
names for it. I like to call it source and
that's my thing. Source source, energy, source, and so sorcery.
You know, like you're it's not about you know, how
to you know, like write a drag in or you know,

(23:01):
turn your roommate into a frog.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Gon'll be none of that. I mean, yeah, do you
know things.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
I'm not saying that stuff is a possible, but yeah,
that the hooded robes.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
You can you can leave your hooded robes in the
closet for the Harry Potter convention.

Speaker 6 (23:13):
Uh but yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's it's it's it's
a different and that's why I spelled differently. It's kind
of it's using that source energy for healing and thriving
and creating this this new life, which I know there's
I mean, I certainly was someone that that absolutely needed this,
and I know there's a lot of people that you
know could use healing.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
And and thriving is a big portion of that.

Speaker 6 (23:34):
And that was one thing I found in in AA,
it was was it was you know, it was all
about sobriety. And you know I got sober in AA,
but that it was like, noble, now what, I'm sober
and you know, I've worked these twelve steps and I'm
going to meetings. But now what because there's no emphasis
on on on you know, creating a new life, following

(23:54):
your bliss, you know, you know, finding your flow.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
There's none of that.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
It's just so so it's and that is such a
critical element to to my sobriety now is just a
really pleasant side effect of my healing and thriving. It's
there's no focus on you know, don't don't drink, don't
don't use. It's it just happens now. I just don't
want to. It's just part of this new life I've created.

(24:20):
So that's where the kind of rungs came in. And
you know, the bird has a better perspective on things
than the word, right, So that's that's climbing, climbing, climbing
up that you know kind of ladder and getting a
better perspective on things, because that's that's huge.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Our perspective on things is everything. Yeah, definitely, Hey, I'm.

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Speaker 4 (25:26):
So I like the first wrong by the way, shadow Work.
I don't think a lot of people talk about shadow Work.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
I know people hear it. I know TikTok.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
Maybe the big craze for a bit out of the
shadow Work book and then people I don't think people
understand what that is.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
You want to explain a little bit more about that
chapter to people? Oh yeah, yeah, no, then that's why
it's it's the it's the first wrong. It's there.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
They're in an order, but they're very fluid and you
can you know, there's no strict it's not like the
age steps one, two, three. It's they're very fluid and
kind of move. And some things might require more attention
for some people, and and some things might come more naturally,
and so that the order of importance is not you
know this this is most important, and this is that
they're all pretty equal. But but but it's it's good

(26:04):
to get a good I wanted people to get a
good idea on what the shadow is and and what
and how important it is to to respect it, because
you can't get it's not to get rid of it's
it's not it's not an enemy. The shadow is created
in times, you know, when we need it. It's it's
our reactionary nature to things. You know that the sourcer responds,

(26:24):
the shadow reacts. That's the big difference. And so it's
it's just that kind of unpleasant part of us. It
is a compilation of our our traumas and limiting beliefs,
and it's it's it's all tied in together and it
creates a side of us that you know, maybe we
don't like so much.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, you know a lot of people with anger issues.

Speaker 6 (26:45):
Well, the shadow is in control, and I was I
was like to say, you know that the shadow, it's
it's like driving in a car. You're you know, I've
been in times where there's there's three positions for the
shadow in the car. Right, there's the driver's seat, the
passenger seat, in the backseat. So you know, I in
my twenties, the shadow was driving my car.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
I couldn't.

Speaker 6 (27:01):
I was I was not functional. I could not hold
down a job. I couldn't hold down a place to live.
I couldn't, I couldn't keep money. I was an absolute
complete wreck. And that was the shadow driving the car. Well,
I got sober in in my in my late twenties
and just you know, with the kind of Christianity a
AA route and so so now the shadow has has

(27:22):
moved from the driver's seat.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Now it's in the passengers seat.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
So it's still you know, passenger's pretty involved in that
in that car ride.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
So it's it's so my life was functional.

Speaker 6 (27:32):
I was able to work, and I was sober, and
I kept an apartment, but I couldn't do relationships.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
I couldn't understand relationships.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
My shadow was too talking in my life, like this
person's gonna leave this person and my my shadow was
too involved in my life. Now where it's become in
now is is where you want it in the last
two years?

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Is it? It's in the back seat now. And you
have to you have to.

Speaker 6 (27:56):
You can't be you know, like fighting your shadow because
if you're fighting your shadow, well now you're creating animosity,
which you already have in your shadow.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
So that doesn't work. So you have to love your shadow.

Speaker 6 (28:08):
And and part of it is just you know, treat
it in the back seat, like checking on it, how
you doing you know it's and know it's there, and
what sides of you And we're always going to react
to situations, but how long you stay in that reaction
is what matters.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
And so you know, it's not about not getting angry.

Speaker 6 (28:27):
That's not possible, but you can have that instant kind
of reaction and be able to walk through it and
it you know, if the shadow is going to drive
the car and well you know you can have you know, someone.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
Cut you off and flip you off on that.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Well, now now the.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
Shadow is taken over and now you're you think you're
angry at that person that just that that just flipped
you off, but really you're pissed off at your father
for leaving when you were younger, and it's just it's
just it's just manifested itself that way, and now you've
now you're gonna chase them, and you could end up
in a car wreck or or your charges or something
thing because your shadows in control. Well, you know, kind

(29:02):
of the sorcerer route is if that happens, well, it's like,
you know, now it's you know, it's something like that
happens that I just kind of smiled.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
It's like, oh, it's cute, you.

Speaker 6 (29:10):
Know, it's it's it's it's just kind of like, you know,
and there's a curiosity element too. It's that it's that
kind of emotional alchemy that that like, okay, I have
this guttle reaction when.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
You say emotion alchemy, because that was the next rung
I was going to ask you about. That's one that
caught my attention when looking through this, because emotions are funny,
because not a lot of people like to talk about
their emotions. So let's get into that fifth wrong When
you're when you got a second theary, because that is
the one I've been staring at this whole time, Like
I'm gett ready to ask you about this one too,
because I'm going through the rungs and that's the one
that caught my attention.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
So do you want to explain that one a little
bit more to me?

Speaker 6 (29:42):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, that's that's a really important one
as well, I mean all important. But it's you that
alchemy obviously, is the is the real sorcerer. Can can apparently,
you know, do some alchemy back in the ancient times
of turning base metals into gold.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
That's what alchemy is.

Speaker 6 (29:59):
So it's you know that it's the emotional alchemy is
turning those base emotions into elevated emotions into the gold.
And so it's turning that those base emotions that we feel,
the reactionary emotions, you know, the guilds, the shame, that
the anger that you know that the fear, like all
those negative emotions, they're already there.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
So do that energy is.

Speaker 6 (30:22):
There, so do something with it so that there's a
big thing that's taken off the past, you know, a
couple of months and or a few months it's mel
Robbinson let them theory. And I've kind of looked into it,
and essentially you're not familiar with it's it's it's it's
it's just not letting people get to you. And and
essentially it's let them just let them do what they're
doing and you.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Focus on yourself.

Speaker 6 (30:44):
And and there's a lot of good to that, but
what makes it good is also what takes away from it.
You are now disconnecting yourself from that person and there
is no longer any connection between you and that person.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
And and for.

Speaker 6 (30:56):
Some people maybe that that's good, but but for me,
I like to create a connection. And so emotional alchemy
now is about you know, like people can make us,
you know, fearful or or you know, offend us. That's
that's a big one, you know, like why is this
person out to try to bring you know why? There's
joy thieves right there and they're out to take joy.
They don't have any joy, so they're out for yours.

(31:19):
And there are lots of joy thieves out there. And
instead of just you know, letting the emotion go and
you know, having nothing for them, you know, I say
study them. That's you know, instead of let them as
they study them, because it's it's it's a matter of
that curiosity of like what is going on inside of
what is going on in their life that is making

(31:39):
them and it kind of creates this empathy for them.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
And and you don't have that same reaction.

Speaker 6 (31:44):
Now you're turning that that anger that you'd have this
person's offending you, Now you're kind of turning it into empathy.
And now it's like and now you're not reacting, you're
kind of responding, and it's and and you're responding in
a in an emotionally healthy way, and it's it's it's
just getting curious about both people, what's going on with
them and what's going on inside you. You know, Jealousy

(32:06):
is a big one we have for other people, you know,
you know, try to turn that jealousy and alchemize it
into in this in this in the you know, growth,
because it's like, well, what about this person?

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Do I am I jealous of?

Speaker 5 (32:17):
What am I? There's something about this person I really
respect and I want you know what is that?

Speaker 6 (32:21):
Because it can come out and it's something we respect
and I actually like about this person, But then it
comes out in anger and that doesn't you know that
that doesn't have to be so it's there's just there's
a lot of I mean, you can turn fear and
alchemize it into fascination, you know. It's uh, there's you know,
living an authentic life. If you're if you're hiding your

(32:42):
authentic life and you're fearful of what people may think
of you, well turn that into fascination.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
What would it be like to not be fearful? Like
feel that for a little bit, Like what does that
feel like? I feel like people are.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Afraid to do that though you think about it, because
everyone judges everybody and it's like that this advice I
give the people is just I don't care what they say,
Like I don't care, Like you just got to stop
caring what people think about everything you're doing. And if
you enjoy it, then enjoy it. You want to be
fifty years old and play Pokemon, play fiftyears and play Pokemon.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Who cares?

Speaker 4 (33:11):
It doesn't matter, it's something you enjoy. Don't let everybody
else ruin your day. You know, because with social media
especially that when you start posting things out there, I
think people a lot of people need to realize is
once you put it out there, you're opening yourself to criticizing,
Like do you have to read the comments?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
No, don't read the comments.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Don't listen to these idiots out there saying that, oh,
you're too old to do this, or you shouldn't be
doing that. It's like, stop something. These people run your
life for you. They're not your pilot, you know. And
it drives me crazy when you go through some of
these comments sections, some of these videos, like what is it?
The cosplay thing recently the last few years is just
being ridiculous. I don't know if you've ever seen these videos.
There's this girl she cosplayed as an anime character and

(33:48):
she happened to be black. Okay, so the thing was
is that the person that she's cosplaying isn't black, and
they were making a big deal. I'm like, what does
it matter. We've been cosplaying all these years, doing all
these things. What the hell does it matter? You know
what this person, one person does this one person upset
you that much because they posted what their cosplay was
online and they're like, hey, look how good it is.
And it was really good, relacurate everything. It's like, you know,

(34:10):
so you're gonna get mad at the guy who built
the whole buster out of syrophone because it's not metal.
I mean, come on, like, let's think of the logic
here what you're saying, you know, and it's just like
some people, just like you said, just like to steal
the joy Man and it's it turned into like hateful comments,
people trying to need to kill her, and I'm just like,
why what did this girl do that's so upsetting to
you that you're telling her that, oh, she's not the

(34:30):
right she's not the right race to play this, Like,
we don't even know what the hell those people's races are.
They just colored on the screen. They're an animated character.
What does it matter? Like, you know, you're making a
big deal about nothing. And it was recently too, was
the girl that went to problem and had like an
animate them press that people are mad about that too.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I'm like, what does it matter?

Speaker 4 (34:49):
Like, like, I don't get what people are so obsessed
about whatever it else, But everybody wants to be everybody's critic.
But then when you criticize people, they don't like being criticized,
you know, especially those people that are saying stuff or
the the thing with this the twit if the hell
that person's name is that was doing the Disney World
thing I keep seeing all the time show my time.
I'm like, I'm just tired of hearing about it, Like,
oh my god, stop feeding into this crap.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
This is what this person wants.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
They're doing this for attention, and you're giving it attention
by continuing to talk about it. Like just ignore them
because they're what they're doing is just stupid, Like they're
they're just trusing you to chain rack and just start
coming in there and just turn to everything.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Well, I like to call them kill joys, like people
like that.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Like kill joys and just kill the move because they
don't like it for some reason, like you said, like
they don't like it. You're not sure what it is
they don't like about it made they're upset because they
can come on that greater design.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
I don't know. Man, to me, I'm just like, hey,
more power to you. That's awesome, you know.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
And I was that negative person at one point, so
I could see both sides of the coin. I was
very negative, but I was also dealing a lot at
the time, you know, And that's not an excuse, but
it was just I was liking my personal life get
involved with everything else. You know, people I work with
even said the same thing. It's like you were just
so toxic to bebron because you were so angry all
the time. But at the flip side, it was like

(36:00):
I allowed this to happen because this person that I
was with for fifteen years was very narcissistic and I
didn't I didn't see the signs of what was going on.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
And I was too far gone at that point.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Like I really had friends try to come help me,
and I just gave off this toxic aurora around me
and things like that. And I was one of those
joy Steelers at one point, because that's just I was
just mad at the world for no reason. I didn't
realize what it was is that this person's feeling that
fire and I'm allowing it to happen, you know, And
I'm a little a little puppet over there, and they're
basically doing whatever they want, and I'm giving into what

(36:31):
they want. Like you were saying, don't give into their
emotions and give them what they want to feed off of.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
Yeah, yeah, I know, it's it's they are, it's and
they're already it's the reason of course has nothing to do.
And that's what I meant, like before with you know,
someone thinks that you know that the guy in on
travel flip him off, like I'm pissed off at that guy,
And that's not why they they're pissed off. It's yeah,
it goes really deep, and it goes back to childhood
for most people. And you know, you're you know, they're

(36:59):
not mad at that cause playing situation. They're they're they're
pissed off because their mom used to beat them, you know,
And and that's that's the truth, you know, like that's
it just comes out. It's just this illusionary nature of
things and they're just looking because they already have that energy.
And the thing is, anger in particular is a very
addicting energy, and you can become addicted to your emotions.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
I can become addicted to drugs.

Speaker 6 (37:21):
I was with an anger junkie, that's what I called her,
and for a time and she just she it's a
very charging emotion anger and it's extremely addicting. And when
you're used to feeling that, you're going to find things
in your outside world that make you angry because you're
used to feeling that way. It's it's it's like, I
I feel weird. I'm not angry right now, I feel

(37:42):
weird these fucking dishes and get these dishes.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
That get the end.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
It's never about the dishes.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
It's you know, but it's it's just And but to
have a deeper understanding of people like allows you to
have a little bit more empathy for for jerky people,
you know, like because I was also a jerky person
at one time, and and you know, especially in my twenties,
I was just so miserable and I was out to
just take anyone's joy because like seeing them for someone
that's miserable, seeing someone happy, there's nothing worse.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
There's there's just nothing. There's nothing. There's nothing worse.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
So they're going to do everything they can to to to.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
To chop you down.

Speaker 6 (38:17):
And it's like, okay, now I've chopped them down to
my level. Now they're they're unhappy. Now now I'm satisfied,
you know. Like, so it's it's understanding of what they want.
They want to chop you down, and they're gonna do
anything they can to do that. And to have that
understanding and to not let them do that, you know,
like because and once you understand what they're at it

(38:37):
gets easier for to not let those comments in in
your soul because you realize what what they're doing. They're
feeding their addiction there. It is an addiction, and they're
feeding it, and they are feeding it the only way
they know how, which is like, I'm I'm an anger
junkie and I need some anger in my life. What
what can I pick in this world that pisses me off?

(38:58):
And there's a lot, there's there's plenty in this world
that that you can pick to piss you off. So
and that's that's what the uncomforted discomfort of change is
like when you're trying to solve that anger and it's
become such an issue that you have legal action and
you know your your kids hate you, and like this
is a this is an issue that needs solving. But
when you first start doing it, it's very difficult because

(39:20):
your body is so used to feeling angry that it's
it's it takes a long time to kind of come
out of that, and so it's going to try to
find things to get pissed off about all the time,
and that's it's really hard to come down. But it's
possible and that's the thing is it is absolutely possible
for change in transformation to happen.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Right, So justin I have to ask you about the
eighth wrong. Okay, man, Get Goats over Sheets. Yeah, I
read that title, just not laughing. Man, you have to
tell me what that's about. Dude, I'm like, look at
this going, what the hell is he talking about?

Speaker 6 (39:55):
Yeah, it's it's so yeah, and it's that's that's one
of my favorites.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
People like that too.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
It's it's so goats as in the acronym of greatest
of all time and sheep being sheeple like so, so
it is there's two different mentalities there, and and and
and I find it interesting that even the animal itself,
the goat, is not a hurtable animal. It really does

(40:21):
its own thing and kind of so I love that
it's not only an acronym, but.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
The goat itself is is just it's not a sheep.

Speaker 6 (40:28):
It's not it's not this hurtable thing that needs that
needs outside guidance. That sheep is always looking for outside guidance,
something outside of them to tell them what to do.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
And that's yeah.

Speaker 6 (40:37):
And the vast, vast majority of humanity are sheep. They
just want to be told what to do. And you know,
you have to understand that that, you know, in society
and ninety eight percent of society are going to spend
ninety eight percent of their free time on ship, that
does not matter. So when it comes to you know,
following the masses, a lot of times the m is silent.
So you have to remember like that, you know, start

(41:00):
thinking for yourself and getting in touch with kind of
that intuitive nature and you know that that source energy
that the heart can guide you. And you know, if
you just continue to to just listen to others and
do this. It's not to say that others can't have
great ideas, but you need to have your own discernment
of what is true and what is not and not
just go along with whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
You know.

Speaker 6 (41:20):
The goats of the world, you know, and it's not
to say everyone's the greatest and to get kind of
this ego of being the greatest, but you know, anyone
who's done something great follows their vision and doesn't listen
to outside. You know, the horse that the blinders on
the horse are on and they're not listening to other
people because they have such an attachment to doing something great.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
So it's it's having that kind of mind.

Speaker 6 (41:45):
You know that a sorcer will have the mind of
a goat, and it's it's also important to you know,
to not kind of create an ego around that, and
no one likes it someone going around saying how great
they are, certainly, but it's just to know.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
It's just to know that.

Speaker 6 (41:59):
You are great, and we are all reflections of that
source energy and we are all God, just different pieces
of it. You know, a slice of pizza is still pizza,
isn't it Like So it's it's it's it's that we
have to get over the separation thing there, there is
no separations. Whole thing is a big illusion. It's a simulation.

(42:21):
I'd like to say in one of the chapters that
kind of get into that whole, which I love simulation theory.
But it's it's everything is one thing, and we have
to get over this the separation and religion is a
big part of creating that separation, and it keeps people down,
It keeps people in their place, you know, it keeps
the sheep tame. And I just think it's time we

(42:43):
all start kind of becoming more aware of who we
are and what we can do, and and that's a
big part of it.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
No, I love that. I actually love that. I love
that analogy.

Speaker 7 (42:53):
Though.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
It's okay to have the mindset that you know, you know,
you're you feel like you're great, but you don't have
to have the ego at the same time, you know.
And then the sheep mentality is just so funny because
everybody is so quick to jump into the mob mentality
as well, basically the same thing. Based what you're saying
is so like they're all just kind of grouping together, like, oh,
we don't like this person. I don't know why I

(43:14):
don't like this person. I'm just gonna go join him anyways. Okay, well,
so and hate I'm this person for no reason. It's
like why dude, But that's me. I'm the guy out
there going, well, why.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Why do we do this? I don't understand, Like I'm
asking the questions why not? Why do we know what
it is?

Speaker 5 (43:28):
Yeah? So group think is a really good example.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
And the best example I have is you know that
you know, we want to we want to just go along.
It's easier just to go along with people and then
to create waves and go your different route and the
best example is is the is the OJ verdict. It's
you know, all twelve of those people took less than
a day to figure out. I think we'd all by
now hopefully say he did it, okay, And but all

(43:51):
twelve of those people all agreed, and it only took
under a day to say he wasn't guilty. So I mean,
so the majority of the people in that jury, you know,
wanted him to be not guilty.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
He's very charismatic, and you know it's so so.

Speaker 6 (44:05):
There was but you know, there had to have been
several people in that jury group that looked at that
mountain of evidence and said, you.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Know, I think he did it.

Speaker 6 (44:14):
But but the group think and that herd mentality was like, okay,
all right, I'll go along with it.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
I don't want to create waves. Yes, all right, let's see.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
You know what I'm thinking of when you say that
to your what is it the Jerry Duty with Paully Shore,
where he was inside the room and he was trying
to convince everybody else that the guy was innocent. Everybody
else wanted him to be guilty or whatever. It's kind
of a bet that's what was going on in there.
That one person thought it was like, hey, listen, I
don't know about this.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
I think he's guilty and won.

Speaker 6 (44:40):
There were probably several but but like they just they
just were going. But there were there were more people
that wanted him to be innocent. It wasn't that they
had necessarily proved he was in it, and they just
wanted him to be innocent. And but there were more
people in that boat. So it was like that, you know,
maybe the three or four people that were like this,
there's a lot of evidence that says he's they just

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went along with everyone else, and the and then verdict
took less than today.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
They're just yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
And the Karry part is he's like, what if I
would have done if I did it? I'm like, oh, Jay,
stop man, we already no, you did it. Now now
you're really making it obvious. Why would you try and
get that? Like, what is your logic?

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Man?

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Just leave this thing alone. You should have just left
alone and just not as sending the word. But note,
we got to keep going, Well, if I had done it,
this is how would it did it? I'm like, oh, Jay, bro,
like you need to stop like before you start doing so.
And then he attacked that person over memorabilia or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
He I was like, what the hell, Yeah it is,
he's a mass.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
The shadow is definitely in charge of was charge of
his life. He's gone now, but yeah he was. His
shadow is in the driver's seat for sure. It was
in the driver's seat and creating Krayos. So but yeah,
I know, it's just it's just an example of that
group think that just you know, just you know, we
we need to learn to think for ourselves.

Speaker 5 (45:46):
And that's what, yes, we do, Yes we do.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
You're one hundredercent correct, if that's anything I teach somebody.
He said, you needn't how to think for yourself. And
I love how you say it's a game, and it's
the same thing.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Like because I work in customer service right now as
a full time job. It's that's a game. Let me
tell you right now.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
The game is that they come in, they're exchanging words,
they're trying to piss you off at any point. I've
always teach all these younger guys like listen, don't feed
into their craft. It's always something you got to watch
what they're saying to you because they're going to try
and upset you. Because then they say, oh, look, he
just started yelling at me, so I want something free,
and it's and it's it's fucked up as it sounds.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
It is exactly what's going on.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Because you know, if you watch a lot of these
interactions with people and then these people filming all these
people getting the fights with people over the stupidest thing.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
It was the whole mask thing.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Oh you know, just don't want to wear a mask,
and then they want to fight at thirteen year old
fifty year old kid.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
It's just doing his job. He's told what to do.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
So then you're getting mad at him because you don't
like what the company is doing, so you're gonna beat
on this kid. I'm like like stop, like, don't, don't
do things like that, you know, And it's you know,
it's trying to constantly teach you younger kids that same thing.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
It's liketen, don't give.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Into your motions. You're going to be quick to jump
to the gun. I said, just don't, man, it's not
worth it. At the end of the day, you're not
going to get anywhere. Just just look at what's happening
before you act. And that's how I apply to things now.
Before I used to be the hot head. I jump
in and I tell them, like I could tell you
from experience that it don't.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
End well for you.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
You're gonna get into all these follow I want to
get in a fight, Okay, so what are you gonna get?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
What's the outcome of the fight?

Speaker 4 (47:07):
Can be you're gonna beat the other person up, and
then what's gonna happen and you're gonna look like an
clee asshole at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Is that really what you want to be? No, you
don't want to be that person. Think about it.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
Before you make an action or react to anything they
say to you. Just think about what these people are saying,
you know, just like listen to what they're they're attempting
to do.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
It's a game.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
It's a game of chest that honestly, they're playing to
play beat you, and you're trying to beat them. You're
just trying to kill them with kindness, as they always say.
And then they're gonna try and upset you because they
know if they can get a reaction out of you,
then they could turn on go oh well, look look
he started yelling at me, or go call and tell
the oh well, I had a horrible experience because this
person started yelling, Oh, let me send you some free stuff.
You know, people are addicted all that kind of stuff,
you know, and think and it's it's really not shocking, honestly.

(47:47):
I just they think a lot of it's like, you
see all this stuff on social media, so they're like, oh,
now I want to go.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Do it too.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
I'm like, yeah, but think of the outcome of that. Like,
you know, a lot of them didn't grow up in
the nineties. They didn't see Tom Green.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
You know. Tom Green was always in a situation where
if he.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
Got caught, he would have been deported to Canada because
he wasn't a US citizens.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
But a lot of people didn't realize.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
So he got out there and do these zany ass things,
and those guys from Jackass, it's like, oh, look and
see where some of those guys are now. Man, A
lot of those guys have a lot of problems.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Like Steve O.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
He had a lot of issues going on and nobody
knew what was going on, and he was self destructing
doing all this crazy shit, all these other weird things,
you know, and then he was doing Wild Boys and
all of a sudden, it's like Okay, it's great, but
like you're not Steve O, like you're a one in
a million chants that you're gonna make it big like that,
you know, I think and I think people glamor give
it to his glamour, you know. But it's it's funny

(48:34):
to watch, but at the same time, it's like the
outcome is like a lot of these guys going to
have prolonged injuries.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
And things like that. You know, like, what is it?
The X Games was big for a while too, and
might that was nineties, you know.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
Now you don't see so much of that it's going
on because a lot of these guys are.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Like, yeah, it broke my wrists, I broke my leg,
I did this. I fractured that. It's like, huh, what
happened to you?

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Like like we used to glamor size and we're like, oh,
we love these guys. Oh yeah, this is awesome because
that was the thing for us. Now it's like we
could look back and go, yeah, that probably was the
greatest idea to do.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
You know, Like Tony Hawk is one in a million. Man.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
Everybody knows Tony Hawk. He's everywhere, but everybody can't be
Tony Hawk. You know, and it's it's so funny because
you know, everybody sees it on the internet.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Oh I want to go be an idiot in.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
These fast food places or do these goofy shit these
other people are doing. Oh I'm gonna make all this
money doing it. But you're not, though, that's the problem.
Like these guys caught a spark of lightning, caught something
really big, and then now you're gonna go do it,
and then you're just gonna be the tail end of it,
and then you're gonna get disappointed. It's like, well, sorry,
you should have seen this coming. But okay, hey, sometimes
you got.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
To fall and to learn.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Huh. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (49:36):
At least they made money for being a jerk, like
they you know, like if you're not making money for
being a jerk, you're just a jerk, right, Like so yeah,
it's just yeah, it's but it's that matching energy, right
If you imagine anger with anger, it's just going to
escalate it. I used to work in and you know,
in one of the call centers, and people would oh, God,
be super pissed off and like call in and you know,
like but but what I figured out is that if

(49:57):
if if I if I continue to talk softer, it
can you know, it calmed them down, like and so
they'll kind of match what so. So that's that's the key,
is to not match the energy and and make it worse,
you know, right fighting for peace is like shouting for silence.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
It just gives you more of what you don't want,
right Like, so I that analogy.

Speaker 6 (50:19):
Yeah you don't wanna, you don't wanna, Yeah, you don't.
You're just more of what you don't want. It's it's
and and and it's hard to do. But once you
kind of have an understanding of the human nature and
and how we're programs and just you know where it's,
it makes it easier to to not let people get
to you and not amp up those situations because it's

(50:40):
very it's you, it's very human nature to do that.
But it's also possible to go in the other direction
and it and it really certainly has changed my life
and understanding and being able to bring people down and
calm them down and be and be completely different than
what I was necessary in my twenties when I was
like addicted to that anger and wanting to bring let's

(51:01):
bring it up, Let's just get into a fight, like
and so I can release the anger I'm feeling on you,
even though you really have nothing to do with my anger.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I think you have something. I think you're making me.

Speaker 6 (51:11):
Mad right now, But the reality is I'm just mad,
and I'm just trying to find people and things to
get mad at and to create that energy that I'm
already addicted to.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Right all right, justin This is the part of the
show I've been doing recently, been asking people. I met
a guess a name Gretchen. She was a podcast called
The Shit That Goes On Her Head. Okay, so her
question to be was Pete, if your mental health had
a song, what would be So my question used the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
If your mental health had a song, what would that
song be?

Speaker 5 (51:41):
You know, I think it would be Anya something from Anya.

Speaker 6 (51:48):
What There's a song that's just like it's I forget
what the name of it is, but Anna is just
like it's just one of those just really relaxing, you know,
like spa music type of artists that is just so
like they just hit you on a spirit level.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
That's just you know.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
And and I would have you know, been like, oh
you listen to back You're you're gay.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Okay, so that's what I was met in twenties.

Speaker 6 (52:12):
You know, like I have a different view on those
type of things. I love all people, but you know,
that's who I was in my twenties, was you know,
like everything exactly, everything matter what it was.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yeah, it was just an unfortunate term that everyone through around. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Yeah, well I agree. I'm very very supportive of everybody.
My brother's actually transgender. Not a lot of people know that,
but he's transgender. I've supported him the whole way, man,
Like I've seen it all. I've heard all the stories,
all the things he's dealt with. It's oh, man, that
boy guy has gone through a ride off. Hell, let
me tell you what, man. But I've always been there
to suport him. I've always been his big as support.
I've watched him through the darkest times, he's gone through

(52:51):
the rough times he's been through. Yeah, Like, he's been
very open and honestly, you know, like any questions about things,
you know, and.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
It's a lot of a lot of change that I
had to have.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
It's like you watch your sister turning to your brother
and then it's like just there's awkward moments at the
beginning like I kept kept calling him by the wrong
name and he laughed at me. I was like, not
fucking laughing, you bro, you make me Philly.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
You know, thing like that he was, but he was
really cool by it.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
But you know, at the flip side, you run into
people like what is that that Lily.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Person that we were, you know, the Disney the one
that was doing the.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
Disney bathroom pictures or whatever that was just kissing everybody off.
And it's like she gets so mad when people miss
gender her. But it's like it's not like they're doing
it on purpose. They say I'm sorry right afterwards, and
then you get so offended. Oh well, you know they
miss gender.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
It's like like can we can we just stop? Please?
I'm like, no one's trying to do anything to offend you.

Speaker 7 (53:38):
Now.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
If they purposely come up to you and say something, okay,
that's different. But if they're they're taking care of you
and they accidentally say something like cut them some slack here, man,
I mean, they're not trying to be rude.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
You know, they didn't do it on purpose.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
They clearly said I'm sorry right afterwards it and not
like they didn't say anything and just walk away from
the subject and not say anything, you know, And I
just feel.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Like people like that just ramp up the converse a
little too much.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
It's like, you know, everyone love everyone doesn't just stop
hating on each other over the stupidest things possible. Whatever
someone does in their own free time, I don't care
what they do. They can dress up like Madonna on
the weekends. I don't care. More power to you if
it looks good, Hey, even power. Hey, listen, hit me up.
I'll hit that like for you. You know what I'm saying.
But to me, it's just like I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Man.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
It's like, I don't see why we had to be
so offended by things that don't affect our lives, you know,
And it couldn't lead back to what you were saying, though,
it is that they're just mad for no reason about something,
so it just something triggers them about that whole situation.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
But still it's like, you know, tou wong fu listen,
I don't hear any Y'll yell when it's done.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
Of those guys about it, Wesley Snipes or not another ones,
you know, I don't know anybody put them, you know,
trying to go scure them.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
I embrace my feminine We all should have men and women.

Speaker 6 (54:48):
You know, women should have some masculine energy, and yeah,
you know men should have some female energy. And more
female energy the better for men, honestly, because it's it's
that side of us that's.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Like caring and nurturing. And and I didn't. I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
I was pushing off my feminin energy for a long time.

Speaker 6 (55:04):
But now I have, like I have a really good,
like fifty to fifty split like it is, it is,
and it's and it's wonderful, like to embrace that female
side of me that's like really it's it's it's changed everything.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
But I can still really communicate.

Speaker 6 (55:18):
With with guys about sports and movies and stuff like that.
But I you know, I also I like that the
feminine energy of love and caring and emotion, and so
tapping into that side figure saying.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Wrong with caring for somebody? I think we need to
clear that air right now.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
I think that people need to understand is that with
justin saying it's okay to show emotions and people care
for somebody, you don't have to just shut them out
because we'se men, that's what we do was just shut
people up.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
But I don't see that. I don't do that.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
I'm very caring when somebody's sick. I'm in there trying constantly,
can I help you? Can I get you something? I'm
always constantly asking that question, can I can I get you?
So you know what I mean, because that's just how
I am. Though you know, I was abandoned at ten.
Then I find out that because I was abandoned at tent,
I actually adopted the the thought process of like, I
want everybody to feel included. So I always try include
everybody in every conversation a lot of times, you know.

(56:05):
And it was something I could ever explain until I
met a psychiatrist named doctor Tim. He was telling me
about it, and he called it out without even saying it.
They didn't even know anything about me, and it called
me out. And I was like, well, this is kind
of call me out a little bit, but yeah, that's
that's exactly my mindset is that everybody. I tried to
make everybody feel included. I try to make sure everybody, hey, listen,
you know, I try. I'm always the person trying to

(56:25):
de escalate the situations. I'll come in and you know,
just kind of like de escalated a bit. Now, don't
get me wrong, I was the guy who was escalated
at some points.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
I just thought it was fun. I was like, let
me just go piss some money off.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
I was that guy in the call of duty lobby
that you were all looking at waiting for me to
say some shit to pop off.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Because I was that guy now so much.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
I straight away from it because my wife gives me
a hell about it because she doesn't like how how
competitive I get sometimes. But at the same time, I'm very,
very understanding, like if somebody is disrespecting somebody, I'll definitely
go listen.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Hell, doesn't I bully.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Somebody because he picked on a ten year old kid
and told them to kill himself and he's playing a
video game. I literally went home messages man and said, oh,
I heard you like to pick on kids.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Why don't you pick on a grown man, you know?

Speaker 4 (57:04):
And it's like, I don't even know this kid, and
I still can feel for me because I was picked
on his kids. So maybe that's what I was feeling
in that emotional sense, you know. But it's just like
it was just like I just got so mad. I
was like all right, cool. You want to pick on
little kids, you want to tell kids to kill themself?

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Awesome?

Speaker 4 (57:18):
So listen I heard you like the time, like I
recorded a message, but you know, be a mi ca too.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
I'm like, hey, so I heard you like to pick
on little kids. Huh. I heard you tell them to
kill themselves?

Speaker 4 (57:27):
Up?

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Bit? Does that make you feel good about yourself?

Speaker 4 (57:28):
And this person got so mad at me it would
just shoot back things a I'm gonna come to your
house and bring out Oh that's so cool. Here's the
house address. You come on by you listen, I'll make
you some cupcakes. While we were you know, I was
just egging this thing on because I knew how to
piss them off, and I didn't feel at least bit
bad about it because you're like, what is wrong with you?
You're gonna tell a ten year old kid to go
kill themself because they're not good at a video game?

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Like come on, bro, Like, is that really where we
got into a society that we're gonna just tell.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
Ten year old kids to go off themselves because you
don't like kids they're playing a game that we all enjoy,
you know, or whatever you're doing. It's like, get over yourself, man,
And it just drives me absolutely crazy, dude. I just
I can't stand it. Like, and I'll be the first
and defend people. I've gotten my communications, man, because I stood.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Up for people. I don't care at this point, like
I'm I'm the defender.

Speaker 5 (58:13):
Man.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
I'll come in there and I'll step in like, oh,
hell no, You're not going to disrespect these people. There's
no need for that, especially with females. Whatever it is
with us guys, man, we just hear a femlo's voice, dude,
we just act like we've got no goddamn common sense
in these games, you know, and start telling them go
back to the kitchen this, and then it's like, what
don't you.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Just shut the fuck up?

Speaker 4 (58:30):
You know, Like I'm the first one jumping in there, man.
So I agree with you having the femine energy though. Man,
there's nothing none wrong with it at all. If anything,
I think it makes you more of a complete person, honestly,
you know. And I had this conversation somebody else that said,
you know, the whole alpful male I expect I'm like,
what if the alpha male was very in tuned their emotions.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
I think that is the alpha male to me, like.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Somebody said, perfectly in tune, everything can at least admit
you know, like you know where they're wrong, things like that,
you know, like not this this oh wacha man. No, no, no,
that's just a macha man. It's not an LFA male.
To me, the alpha male is hey, man, with your
e motions, you understand things. You're very sick, you know
you you know, just like you know you're caring where
you need to be caring kind of thing. You know
what I'm saying, What if you're more in tune versus
this whole image of oh I got.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
To be looking like, you know, like the Hulk out there.
And that's to me, that's not elephant.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
To me, that's just you're just you're just a you
know whatever you want to give it the name of.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
But to me, that's toxic.

Speaker 6 (59:20):
It's a toxic maxtally it is. But yeah, it's the sorcerer.
That's that's a real alpha male. That's what I want
to know. We need a society sorcerers exactly. Justin when's
the book available?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Is that out already?

Speaker 5 (59:30):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (59:30):
Yeah, and the audio should be out soon. So there's
really I know, you know it takes a lot to
people read a book. It should be out with the
next week or two awesome, and that should be on Amazon.
You can reach me. I have spiritual shirt sessions that
are fun to do one on one.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
They're where can they reach out you little know where
you can reach out to you, so we know what.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
Yeah, there's you can you can do.

Speaker 6 (59:52):
So if I'm only on Instagram, I was off so
made for like four years, so I got back on Instagram.
Though it's necessary evil right now, but you know it's
good and bad, but it's My handle is sorcerer with
you Underscore thirteen or my email if you're not on Instagram,
which is just Sorcerer thirteen at Gmail. And then the
website for the book is awakenthosorcerer dot com, which.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Well, I'll definitely make sure to update down low with
your Instagram because I know you didn't have listen in
your profiles, so I'll update it for you. And then
I'm on the instagrament everything else. I'dn't have follow you anyways, man, because.

Speaker 5 (01:00:24):
I'll call you right back.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Yeah, yeah, I'll love it right, that's great.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
So guys, I'm gonna wrap up this episode. Pete for
Society justin thank you so much for coming man, this
is great. I'm going to finish reading the book. I
haven't finished reading completed, guys, but I'm definitely gonna finish it.
I was enjoying it. I was just pulling out the
rungs that really caught my intention. I was looking at them.
So I appreciate you coming here explaining to talk about
the book and everything like that. Man, And you know,
it's just great having you man, So we appreciate you
coming by.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Yeah, no problem, is great to be here. Always a pleasure, always.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
Definitely, definitely, guys. I was always on Pete for Society.
I'm a X all the way down to TikTok, I'm
on Spotify, O down at Heart Radio. And I always
say it costs something, absolutely not to be kind of
somebody when kind of you could do save some life.
For hell, you can even say I keep for his
anxiety saying I was saying, don't ask you to d yesterday,
say hey, how's she met the hook today

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