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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:54):
Guys, welcome to an exciting episode of Pete First Anxiety
here in the Oracle Talk Radio Network. Before we get
started today, I do want to issue there is a
trigger warning with today's episode. The subject we're gonna be
talking about can get a little uneasy for some people.
So I just want to let you all know ahead
of time what you're about to get into. My guess
today though, is a twenty year addict also been spent
twenty years in prison, but he's clean officially six fifteen,

(01:15):
twenty twenty four. Congratulations to him on that.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Now he's on a mission to help talk and anyone
out sorry, mission to help talk and help anyone struggling
in addiction, is sober dealing with feelings and emotional mental issues.
Please welcome in the One the Only. Mister Jay Jay,
how are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Brother? How's it going?

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Pete good Man? So letch you Telebrady a little bit
more so?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:36):
So you know, what do you want to hear? I mean,
I can tell the whole thing from childhood or you.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Want to whatever you want, manage your story. You tell
us what you want us to know.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Well, I started an addiction to you know, probably in
my teenage years like everybody else. Yeah, I was on
and off again during high school and you know, sports
and other activities. In about nineteen years old, I got
my first cakes prison case. Ended up in prison in
nineteen ninety nine. I mean that ages me spent in

(02:10):
and out, in and out. It was never It wasn't
a twenty year stretch straight. I did seven at a
time for at a time, ont on, you know. But
during that, all that whole time, I stayed high in
the high speed chicken feed you know, the M three
thh and I did it in IV formed.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
So I became somebody that I didn't like. I didn't
want to be. I didn't know how to cope with situations.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
I became somebody I didn't want to be while in prison,
but I had to be.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
No, fast forward a little bit. I got out for
a four year stretch. I had four kids in four years.
That's crazy by one person, straight person. My kids are great,
you know. Went back to prison, Fast forward a little
bit more, Still doing, still doing, either selling or dealing

(03:05):
or using drugs. Every time I go in, I pray,
you know, please let me make be a better person.
All this, you know, like everybody else in prison, We
find Jesus in prison and then leaving at the gab.
It's crazy because we find them and then leave them.
I don't know why. So fast forward a little bit.

(03:27):
H So in two thousand and seventeen, is the person
I met, or is the person who I met to
get married with. We married Sulready had a daughter. She
had a three year old daughter. Her name's Natalie, So
she married a dad for seven years or so with Natalie,

(03:49):
and you know, we both struggled with addiction. She struggled
with addiction and oppression, a lot of mental health issues. Yeah,
and she struggled with addiction too, but I didn't know it.
She kept it hidden. And when I was in my addiction,
I never stayed home, so I really didn't recognize, you know,
I couldn't see it in somebody else because I was
hiding it from myself too. And it really sucks, you know,

(04:14):
because my claim and sober date is six fifteen, twenty
twenty four, because that's where I walked in after an argument,
and you know, after an argument we had, we're arguing
back and forth, and I went out to the car.
I was gonna leave, you know, but it didn't. I
just stayed there, you know, I'm just we're texting and

(04:35):
talking back and forth. I go in about an hour
later and I see her hanging from our club.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Oh shit, bro, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Me too, me too.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
And it it changed my life. You know, I did
a lot of things that I shouldn't have done, a
lot of things that I should have done. You know,
I should have been there to recognize it and uh
deal with it, but I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
You know, I couldn't deal with it myself.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, and that day was probably one of the hardest
ones in my life, you know. And I still deal
with the guilt and to what ifs and what if
I was stronger, what if I was clean? What if
I was not using what I've been able to recognize it?

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, and I'll be honest, probably not. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
A lot of times when it comes out, man, there's
a lot of times, you know, you just don't know
what people are thinking.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Unfortunately, you know, there was no warning, there was no nothing.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Literally, I've got voice text messages from her still that
said please come inside, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Please come inside and we'll talk, you know.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah, so I know it wasn't in her state of
mind at the presence. Yeah, it just sucks because I
see all this happening after, you know, I can see
it all building up after I decided to get clean
and sober and be in recovery, you know, and that

(06:03):
day I still have warrants off of my arrest. I'll
still being a bad person. Yeah, they didn't take me
to jail. They told me I did everything right. Please
my neighbor Gary, he'd probably saved my life that day.
Shortly after that, you know, I wanted to also in

(06:25):
my life. I honestly, I had no reason to live. Really,
the person that I loved in the world is gone.
I have no reason to live, no reason none. And
yet here I am because when I try to do it,
you know, people walk by, and I can't do it
in front of people, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
So it's a good thing.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
It's a good thing that that happened because now I
can tell and help people through dealing with the emotions,
dealing with the all the outside interference that goes on
in recovery. I mean, there's so many things that go
all we get all our emotions back, we start feeling
shitting and sometimes that sucks.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Sometimes it's good. Sometimes it just fucking sucks. Sorry for us,
but it does.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
And so, you know, August or June fifteenth is when
I found my wife. June twenty second is when they
pronounced her death. She was an organ donor. They kept
her in a she did too much damage to her arteries.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
So the blood was going up and it wasn't coming down,
so her head was just gonna swell and swell. And so.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
August twenty the night of the twenty first, the June
twenty first, the night of the June twenty first, they
walked her into the er, you.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Know, and that was the last time I seen her.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
We did the honor walk, and if anybody knows what
that is, it's where an organ donor walks down the
hallway and all the available staff lining up to honor
them for their you know, for doing what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
And that was the last time I seen him.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
You know, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
I've got some of her ashes still, I've got uh
and one of the nurses, one of the er nurses
or whatever nurses, brought me out a viole of her
heart beats.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
I've got two of them.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
I gave one to her sister that she considered a sister,
and I've got the other, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
And it's just.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
While I was in addiction, I couldn't notice my own
self going down that same path and I couldn't see her.
And when six fifteen happened, all odds said that I
should have got high. I should still be high, All odds,
all odds said, Jay, what are you doing? Why aren't
you stick do what you need to do. I'll be honest.

(08:54):
I had stuff in my room. I had freaking I
had the supplies and everything else to do it in
my room. In my room, I couldn't go there because
all I could see was what I seen hanging in
my closet.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
And believe me, I wanted to. I wanted to a lot,
but I couldn't. And I cussed God out, I cussed
Jesus Christ out. I'm like, you're not fucking real. I
went off on. I literally went off on. And during
my rant, who calls victims out of victims? Out of sea?

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Person calls me on my cell phone and you know,
they're like, Jay, you know we're here for you too.
I'm like, oh shit, I ain't no victim.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
You know. But that was just somebody saying, hey, hey,
slow down, and a lot of his addicts. We always
find God. We always there's no hands or butts.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
We always will find him because the fact is he's
never turned our back, his back on us. We've always
turned our back on him. We've always forgot about him.
And so probably a week into this, after cussing out God,
I realized I didn't have a craving for anything.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
It's crazy because in prison, you know, you always pray that.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
I'll make me the man that I should be, make
me somebody that my kids and my wife could be
proud of, make me all these things. Take the boy
that's suffering and everything else, take away all these things.
And you know what, he answered all those prayers in
one time. He took the addiction from me the only

(10:47):
way he could. And by that's taking and making it
mean something different.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, I mean literally, I used to escape into addictions.
Now I can't. Can't It means nothing.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
That doesn't mean I haven't had those thoughts like oh
I could really use something.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
But that's like a habit. It's a bad habit.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
You know.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
We can stop bad habits. We can stop addiction, you know.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
And I talked to so many people daily, and it's
crazy because we all have one thing in common.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yes, we're all ats.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yes we all found the strength and the willingness and
the support to stop. But dealing with all the emotions
and the drama and everything else that goes on in
addiction or on in recovery, it's hard. Everyday life is
fucking hard. Who knew I had to pay bills? Who

(11:46):
knew I had to do all.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
This other stuff? Because I was in prison for twenty years,
my bills were paid. Yeah, I didn't know how to
do any of that. I didn't know what a normal
day would be. I lived in Colorado. That's where I
grew up. I lived in Colorado.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
I grew up in Colorado, and May sixteenth of this year,
I decided to pack everything up on a whim and
move to Florida. So now I live in Daytona Beach, Florida,
and I get to enjoy the freaking heat and the
humidity and a beach. I can literally drive on the

(12:24):
beach all the time. I kind of change people, places
and things.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Adulting does suck.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
At least suck. Yeah, yeah, I see, I know you
were talking. I don't know your sell In the comments,
everybody's been blowing them up, So I've been trying to
put them up.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
I appreciate every comment. Jay's telling a pretty powerful story, man.
But think of it this way.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Man.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
You're here for a reason, bro, Like all these people
you touch every single day you talk to, man, think
about it. Like all those people. Your room is always
filled with people always coming to talk to about stuff, dude, always,
And that's what it always liked about you. I go
in there, Man, You're always positive no matter what, like, hey,
listen and you know, and when you're talking them too,
you're like, no, no, listen. I asked you what's good about yourself?
All the questions you in folk and ask them to man,

(13:04):
you like, hold them to accountability to you, like no, no,
this somebody asks you.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
And even if somebody comes in and gets little confrontation,
you're like, okay, well let's talk about it. What's the
problem that you know? And you're so mellow dude when
people are just coming in there.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I love it, man.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I think what you're doing is great, bro. Like I said,
you're here for a purpose. Man.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
The fact is, I mean, we've got to keep a.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Positive atmosphere on everything.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yes, there's a lot negative but we don't have to
feed into it.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
We don't have to be negative. We can be positive.
We can be happy, we can't. We just got to
choose to do the right things to do it.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
That's it. We've got to choose to be happy. It's
a choice I live with daily. It's a choice I
wake up to sometimes not wanting to wake up or
not get enough sleep that night.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
I wake up daily choosing to be happy.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
You know, and me that platform that I created, I
didn't have anywhere else to turn to.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
I did a cold turkey, I did everything. I learned
everything by living in.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
And what I can take away that is that if
you do the next right thing, if you're constantly continually
do the next right thing, if you seek out help,
if you seek these things out, if you seek out
people that are beneficial to you and set boundaries and say, no,

(14:28):
you're not going to mess me up. No you're not
going to make me feel some kind of way. No
you're not gonna screw with my mental health today or
my recovery.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I created this room, that's safe room that everybody can
go to and talk to, and daily I deal with things.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Yeah, one of the best best things I did I
help people in the recovery center. I've been with them
from every step of the way. I there's just one girl.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
She turned twenty years old.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
I could tell tons the stories, but this one got
to me because she was heavy into the Yeah, the downers,
we'll just say, oh, and she was heavy into that.
She turned twenty in February. A couple of days ago, Friday,
I think it was, she came in and said, Hey, Jay,
guess what what Charlie? What haven't seen you in forever,

(15:22):
Seenian forever? So what's going on, Charlie? She goes, I've
been five months clean. I'm like, whoa, that's phenomenal, you know.
And she thanked me. I mean she came up there
and told me and then she thanked you know. And
her story is her dad passed right before my wife,

(15:43):
and she's this twenty year old girl living now in California,
has no reason for life, and she was taking it hard.
Yet she found reasons. She found reason to keep going. Everybody,
we never quit that space. If you're an addict and
you're in recovery, you don't don't quit. You don't because
you're already strong enough. You're strong daily and guess what.

(16:07):
We're going to continue going. We're going to continue pushing
and we're going to continue helping people. Because what I
got was for free. I can give it away for
free too.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
You know.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
It's just there's so many things out there. Enjoy life.
Quit existing and enjoy living. That's what I got said,
you know, find your inner piece because everybody thinks that
peace and happiness is a place or thing or a person.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
No, it's a state of mind.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
And once you realize that it's a state of mind,
then everything else just falls into place.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
My higher power gave me a voice, and.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
I'm going to use it to the best of my ability,
and that's to help somebody else.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, I agree, man, that's the whole point of the show. Man.
It's so many people on like yourself. When people come
show you stories talking and things like that, you know,
and and all that kind of stuff, and it's great man.
Like like I said, I love what you're doing, bro,
Like I said, ever since day one a match Man,
you always had a great energy that came on for
you and you know, and I learned them little more
about energy and all that kind of stuff doing this show.
And it's like you know, you attrack the people you

(17:11):
want around you, and you've you've been here since day
one with me, since we've known each other, we've not
talk taking forward. So let's talk a little bit about
your podcast. Now, let's brag about this bit. Jay going
on a limb and he started hisself a podcast. I
told him I was very proud of him too.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
It's a Rock and Recovery.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
I'm on YouTube, I'll be on stream yard here, and
I'll be on podbeing and pod match all those, but
mainly it's going to be YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, streaming, probably TikTok.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Also, let's face it, TikTok is a toxic as app,
but there's people on there that you can help.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
TikTok is the most toxic place I've ever been other
than prison. Yet I knew rules in prison, you know.
Uh so, but it does work for people. It does work,
especially if you can't reach out to people. That's a
good platform to talk about.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, you know, but.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
I'll be on YouTube, Rock and Recovery look me up,
just like spelt roc K in recovery.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Look me up.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
I'll be I've got a couple I need to put
on there, you know, I've been just slacking this all.
This is so I don't know, I know why you
talk about anxiety all the time. Just didn't anxiety about
coming on your show. First of all, First, that's a
big step for me.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
This is a lot of people set across from I've
had the same statement before we started that said the
same thing. They're like, Oh, I'm nervous, and like, don't worry.
I got you. That's the thing about being a host, man,
if you're good enough, you could get people through most conversations. Man,
And a lot of people they get nervous at first,
and I'm like, they're all like, oh, what should you
try to plan for them? Like, no, just be yourself, man.
People could read authenticity from across the room, you know
what I mean, man, And that's what you You just

(18:47):
spit out off this this the ever you go. Man,
it's just what you rub from. And that's what people
like you so much about because they get But you'll
find though when you're using stream Yard, though, is that
it'll post everything for you so you don't have to
post those videos. The videos will post themselves. That's what's
so much easier.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
Being guard better because I literally just just started it,
and so every Friday, I would do Friday Sober stories
on my platform on TikTok. Yeah, and that's mainly because
everybody going into the weekend, it's a party ass weekend.
Let's get high, let's party, let's drink whatever. Party weekend
on Friday starts, you know, Friday's the warm up. Thursday

(19:24):
is the weekend warm up to Friday, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
And so I'm going to just continue it that way.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Every Friday is going to be one or two new
stories posted on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and we're just gonna
go from there.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, that's the way to go, man. I mean it's hard, man.
At first, it's a little rough geting started. I'll tell you, man,
it was a shit show at first. So everybody know
the vaccine of mine. Mine. It's just like I was
all over the place and I got a digital calendar
set up and all these other things in place, and
I didn't even put the calendar in for a few months.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
My calendar right there.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
I got an online calendar for mine. It's just books,
everything else and that and things to do, and it's
just like, oh, it's a lot, man, at first, But
once you get to hanging man, everything just starts smoothly flowing,
you know, and things like that too. And now that
you know you're doing like pod match like we do, man,
you'll see all these people just come popping up on
your screen and things like that too. Don't be shocked
as some of them come and set mention my name

(20:16):
because a lot of people I've been on the either
like eighty seven interviews now, so I know a lot
of people, so I tend to share out profiles to people.
So usually that's what I'll do, So I'll drop them
to you and things like that. You can check them
out and see what you think and go from there
and stuff like that. Man. The other thing though, is
you should do some more interviews on other shows. There's
a one called the Podcaster's Nation that I'll have to
reach out to him and see if I get it

(20:37):
set up for you and get his calendar. But he
does highlight podcasters like yourself, like what's your show? Is?
About what you're doing? And you know, things like that.
He literally that's all he does is interview podcasters all
day on that show, dude. And he has a couple
other ones too that you might be interested in. We
could talk about as well, like power Man and things
like that as well, you know, and different kinds of
stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
You can weird times in the morning beat because I
get I try to sleep, you know, and you know
our squirrel brains just yeah, never put it's off, and
it's hard to sleep sometimes. Yes, I do sleep, Yes,
I sleep two or one hour a day here.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
And there right exactly our answer to.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
That in school. I mean literally, I've got what is
it was?

Speaker 4 (21:24):
August, yeah, September, October, November, December, January, February, March, seven months,
seven months, and I've got a bachelor in business and
I just started that less than less than two years.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
It's the master Networker actually, by the way, in case
everything know, that's what they call me, the master networker.
Like listen man, I've got so many different shows that
so many times, you know, and things like that too.
I think of doing another one tomorrow actually the what
the Wendy Show or something like that. My interview on
a couple of nukes will be should be available now.
I have to post a link to it out there,

(21:56):
but it'll be popping up too. But the great thing
that is, like like what you're set up in now man,
it's going to make it so much easier for you
to clip things out because it'll clip it up for you.
You can send it out to YouTube, shorts, your Instagram, TikTok,
all those places. It will send all that stuff for you,
so you can give little teasers or shows that are
coming up. So if you record something ahead of time
and you want to you want to give little teasers,

(22:17):
you can record it, download through the AI, have the
A clip it up and then send it out and
give a little teasers out or and stuff like that.
You and draw attention. And it's great man, because you
could send it every place possible. Like I told Jay
before we started, we're in seven locations currently right now.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Seven that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
You know, I've never been in more than one location
in my life normally you know, on a computer or phone.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
But still what you said, don't believed exactly. What is that?

Speaker 2 (22:42):
You know?

Speaker 4 (22:43):
It's something that's it? I think it's imaginary, honestly, you know,
sleep like it's a thing. But I've never seen it and.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
I barely get any of it. So it's like imaginary.
It's my imaginary friend.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, No, it's it's true though, because I had a
person that was the FBI C expert come on and
I got called out. Man, She's like, you know, uh,
you should sleep more. I'm like, uh, I know, but
I want to.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah. Seven months and here we go, get ready to run. Yes, yes, ma'am,
Hell yeah, Marina, that's awesome. Follow me from the start
and YouTube beat.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Way to make more anxious get out of here. I'm
I'm good, no, man, But what's it been like being
a podcaster? Man, let's you tell yourbody? It was like,
how's your first few interviews be going? Has it been good?
You're loving it?

Speaker 4 (23:28):
It's just same thing I do on TikTok, just you know,
a different platform, the exact same thing I do on
TikTok with people in boxes.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
It's just a different style and you just adapt. I mean,
I'm not one to really once it starts, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Building up to it, terrible, terrible anxiety building up to something.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Once it's ready to go, I'm there. I don't plan
for yit.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Dude, I don't either. I'm gonna be honest. Hell right now,
I hardly plan for anything. I'm just getting very limit
and then I go.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
My Mom's like hit bullet points day hit full of points.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
I'm like, ah, really, you're gonna make me think about
writing something down to think about talking to I'm not
gonna look at.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
No man, honestly, wait. I do, though, have a little note.
I have a notepad here with like if I keep
any notes, it's right here, just things I draw to
question if I'm going to talk about anything. But most
of the time it generally just flows, like you just
get them going on certain subjects and they'll just start
flying out the bat and everything with that too.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Especially if you're decent to decent communicating, you know, that's all.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
I didn't a before this, by the way, No, I
didn't a for this at all.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
You know.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Literally, I got off the phone and I'm like, h shit,
I've got like twenty more minutes.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, all right, what am I gonna do for twenty minutes?

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Okay, let's get on the phone, or let's let's play
with the laptop. Make sure I'm set up, got everything
typed in and camera connected, all right, things.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
So last minute, So last minute.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
You know, hey, but that's a great interview, so if
you think about it, because what it was Doctor Jen
who's one of my top five guests, was on this Friday,
I told her the same thing. I was like that, gentlemen,
and honest with you, I don't plan anything. I was like,
I just I look at some notes ahead of time,
get an idea what we're going to talk about, and
then I go into it. And she said, if anything,
that makes you more authentic because you're not planning ahead
of time, You're literally just going straight out the hip.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Doesn't sound rehearsed.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
No, yeah, it doesn't sound rehearsed. Doesn't sound like robotic,
like you know. That was the problem when I started
researching a lot of them. It's like, don't get me wrong,
A lot of them are great, a lot of more doctors,
but no of me was like having just regular conversations,
like regular people, just having conversations like I do invide
a lot of experts on and things like that too,
but I always take other people and want to come
on and share their own stories. And we've had some
crazy fucking stories on here, dude, We've had stories for days.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Five minutes before I came into your life, I was
having a problem with this stupid microphone, problem with this
sound card.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Couldn't hear nothing. I'm like, what the you know, I'm like.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
All right, Leo's fear is out real quick there and
a lot of I'm like literally, I mean, so nothing
was set up, nothing was planned.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean, just do it, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
You know, and up running problem a couple of times.
I think I've had like one or two people that
have MIC issues. But it's it's things you'll learn as
you go, man Like different things will troubleshoot as you
go and stuff like that too, and and and you
know it's been it's interesting and then you'll learn a
bunch of the other stuff. There's like the little banners
like you across the botto right now it's talking about
my patre my patreon and my uh what is it?
The the Saint ju things I'm doing case anybody hasn't

(26:20):
seen that, I'm doing a taking donations for Saint Jude's fro.
It's basically called We're Battle We're calling Battle to Belt
basically meet a couple OFIR podcasters, witter gets a podcast
belt with their title on it. With their gets a
title with the podcast logo on the title is something
that we were talking about. So we've been collecting money
for that kind of thing. Doing that stuff too. But
it's just fun. Man. It's great because, like you know,

(26:41):
you'll have mishaps that happened, dude, Like I've had some
just wild shit happen.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
You know, iect wild, you know, but it's nothing outside
of the normal. Though normals is setting on a washing machine,
you know. My normal is chaotic, you know. Uh, we've
lived in chaos so long that silence is abnormal. Yeah,
And so when you get to where you can be

(27:08):
live with yourself, I'm like, actually live in silence and
live with yourself.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's that's all. That's all it matters.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah. No, man, it's been a blast so far. Man.
You're you're about to take out an interesting adventure, especially
now where you're at, because people can pitch you or
you can pitch them and things like that too. And
you'll find like I'll just start sending people your way,
you know, and things like that too. So keep me
updated any kind of guess you want, because I'll literally say, hey,
check out this podcast. A lot of them instantly start
taking the pen and start writing it down when we're

(27:39):
done talking and stuff like that. You because when I
go off air, a lot of times I'm still talking
a lot of about it. I'm like, I'm like, hey,
have you checked out these yet? There's some other shows
to look up. I'll tell them that you're coming. I'll
show your profile and everybody else and you know, give
them a heads up, but just mention, hey, you know
Pete sent me over here that way, I know that
you found them and stuff like that, you and stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
So me a couple and I talked to one of them,
and he's all on board for it.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
You know. I don't even remember his name. I'm terrible
with names, and you know, and we talked and he's like, well, yep,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
It's chaotic.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
And I'm like, great, just what I wanted to hear. Yes, Like,
and I'm like, fail gloriously. You know. As we learn,
it's all right, man, learning process, you know, and the
people are there for a reason. We're all here for
a purpose on purpose, you know, and some of us
are just coming to realize what our purpose is.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
And once you do get your purpose, like, my purpose.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
Is to speak to others, you know, whether it's here,
whether it's life, whether I want to go behind. I
want to help kids that are coming up into addiction,
getting just on the verge or on the cusp of
going one way or another. That's where I think I
would be most you know.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
So it's so at this point right here, want to
let y'all know right now that I did a star chart.
I don't know if you'll have ever seen a birch
Heart done. There's an episode I did with Carmen Turner
where we talked about my birch chart in public speaking,
was literally in one of the abbot, one of the
houses that was on there. It was very fascinating to see, though.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
That's crazy, it was.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
It was interesting because you see all these different things
and she we we went through it and you could
hear her talking about each house, and as it hit
something for me, we talked more about what that meant
to me and things like that as we go. So
like since day one, the interesting conversations at first were
nowhere near what I've gotten to now. Man, ever, since
I this this past year, dude, we had moments on

(29:39):
this show so like, did you never know what's gonna happen?

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Trust me, everybody always asks me like, hey Jay, what
do you do to stay so?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
What do you do to stay clean?

Speaker 4 (29:48):
I built a freaking recovery platform where people that I
can talk.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
To people to help me, you know, because literally I
didn't have anything. I didn't have any any sport.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
My mom supports me, like it's there for me now,
but I goosted her for twenty plus years, you know.
And during Christmas is the first time I've seen my
family you over twenty years, you know.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
And that's because I was clean and soap.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
So what did they say when they first saw you?

Speaker 4 (30:14):
They're like they all were skeptical, you know. Yeah, my
little nephew, Alex, he was ten years old the last
time I seen him, and now he works at Amazon,
working twenty hours a day, busting his ass, you know.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
And we went to this.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Italian restaurant called since Eddie's in a Colorado family restaurant,
you know, it's probably relatives anyway, And so we all
went there and she's.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Like, Jane, where you been. I'm like, well, thank you
for making me feel welcome. Thank you for making me
feel welcome, because even my brother was staying office.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
You know, my brother, my nieces and his two my
two nephews, new nephews, his two new kids. They're like
my nieces are like they're my nieces. You know, they're
always going to be my nieces. They're my favorite ones
because they're my only ones.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yes, so these be my first question though for you man,
it's like for people that are coming out of recovery,
for the family members, like what is their advice to them? Like,
you know, hey, how should they handle someone coming out
of recovery? I know I have to see these other
preconceived notions of what they used to see. But what
can they do better to not make that person feel
so awkward? I mean, like, obviously it's gonna be awkward

(31:29):
because they're not used to see him sober. But what
is your advice? Man?

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Okay, so you know we all have moms, we all
got sisters, brothers, whatever else. We all got family members
that our friends that.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Want us to see wanted us to see us do good,
you know. And if you are a family member of
these people, remember.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
It's gonna have to be about them a lot of
the time, and a lot of the time, the best
thing you can do is back off, you know, don't
pressure them too much to do a lot of things
right right way, because all that pressure we're used to pressure.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
And then go on ant or ant you know, and
that pressure can be hard. You know, like my mom,
my mom's my mom, she's great. I love my mom.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yet even she does it to me still today, you know,
she's like, hey, you need that, you need that, you
need that, you need it.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I'm like, uh, stop.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
You know, because all the you need us or you
should or the suggestions, you know, if we form them
in a like hey, it might you might look into this,
not so much as a ya gotta said, Hey, why
don't you.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Go look over there? You know, hey, it might be
over what you're looking for could be over there.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
You know, make it so it's not so much of
a you need to do this instead of hey, you
might try it.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Ah, I don't know if that any of that made sense.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
No, it makes sense, man, because you're just like, you
don't want to feel awkward. It's like, you know, you
don't want to try and like listen to when they
respond to something too. It's like they may tell you
and say, hey, listen, that's cool, but you know, just
like listen for people to say something like if that
person's telling you, hey, you're doing a little too much,
just just ease off. I know you're trying a lot
of people think you're trying, but I think a lot
of times it turns out just like you said, just

(33:23):
gets a little negative because people just like they pushed
you hard. It's like, listen to what that person is selling,
you know, take it easy because you know they're they're
trying to as well.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Made a post. It's absolutely it's the option versus command.
We don't want a band to do anything anymore. Yeah,
I mean, nobody, whether you're in recovery or not, likes
to be commanded to do something.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, as you're in the military, but that's I love
all military and you know, uh.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
But but I want to It's we've all heard that
saying hurt people hurt people. We don't need to hurt
people though, but sometimes when we feel that pressure and
the anxiety, it we snap at the wrong people at
the right time, which they're just there and we don't

(34:12):
want to bleed everybody over everybody else from our perspective.
So being able to apologize and take accountability and say, hey,
you know what I am, I'm sorry that I made
you feel this way and I'm sorry that I snapped
at you. Yet you've got to realize that it wasn't

(34:34):
you as the situation that I was angry at, you know,
And they might hold a lot of resentments, but all
we can do is apologize for our actions. We can't
control anything but the way we react or react. I
like to choose different because I can control some reactions
and you know, some people's actions, But we really can't control,

(34:57):
legally control anything other than ourselves, you know. So if
we're doing the next right thing, if we're if we
respect others until we have to cut them off even
you know, then that's fine. I just made a post
that said, you know, instead of hurt people, hurt people
change people change people. You know, changed people change people,

(35:23):
whether that be for the good or for the bad.
I prefer for the good. You know, I'm a changed person.
Can't judge me for my past. Yes, my past.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Forged me in fire. Basically it forged me to be
who I am.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Absolutely do I regret a lot of things now, Yes,
would I change any of them?

Speaker 2 (35:46):
One or two of them? Absolutely? Overall?

Speaker 4 (35:49):
No, you know, I would like to think that I
would be. I'm a better person now because of that.
But if I didn't go through all that shit, I
wouldn't be the person.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
I am now anyway, exactly, No, I wouldn't be able
to talk.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
I have a purpose in life. I have a I
have an end goal, I have goals. I've got knowledge
that some people will never have.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
By lived experience.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Who better talk to an addict or a kid then
somebody with lived experience. Secondly, all the book learning you want,
but that does no good when you apply it, no good.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
None, If anything. I think it makes it easier to
relate to you too, because you've been there, so that
you gave you know. That's the first thing people say
to a lot of people, say, what do you know
about this situation? Well, sit down and get ready for
a story time, and uncle Jake is I'm about to
tell you what happened? You know. And then you come
out with all that, and people are going to be like,
wholl shit.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
No point other than they say, yes, I did bad
things to bad people that deserved it. I was also
a bad person, though, you know they locked me up
for a reason. It's not because I was nice, Yeah,
you know, it's not because I was a law abiding citizen.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
No, I was a.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
Drug addict and I sold it, did it and collected
on absolutely you know, I wasn't a nice person, you know,
But now I am a nice person. I'm a person
that I like. I found that I like myself now,
you know that's a big deal. Yeah, I mean coming
from where I were, where I hated myself, I hated

(37:27):
to me that I wouldn't give myself the time of
day if I just met myself back then.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Now I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Avoid you now, no thanks. I'm tattooed from head to foot.
You know, there's a couple of blank spaces, but we
won't talk about those, you know, But I'm tattooed from headfoot.
I get enough judgment by just looking at people looking
at me, like, oh, let's go across the way. You know,
we're going to cross the street. We don't want to
be close to that guy.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
You know.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
I feel that's a strong statement right there by the
way you.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Did your time go. Past is the past.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
Past is the past, and people that choose to bring
up our past and hold us against this stame on them,
same on them. Why don't you walk in my steps?
Why don't you walk in my past? See if you
can even survive it before you can judge me for it.
And that goes for anybody, you know, And I'm a

(38:22):
big thing that people do change, you know, people do change.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Look at me.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
I mean, I didn't think I could change. When I'm changed,
I'm still that asshole.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
I'm not. I'm not perfect.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
It's it's progress. It's definitely not perfection. I am still
that asshole.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
You know. I choose not to be.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
That's the big difference is I can make that choice
now and I choose not to be.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah, yeah, there's nothing wrong that. I mean sometimes you
need to ask all those situations, though, Man, as.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
Long as it's an asshole in the nicest possible manner,
you know, my intentions are pure and my intentions are good,
and I'm not just being an asshole to be an asshole,
you know.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Then that's all about you know.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Oh you have me listen. He just doesn't show it
to you. That's all it is.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
That's great, No, man. But like I said, though, your
authenticity comes through, like very seriously man like, it comes through.
And I think that's what attracts most people to you,
is that the fact that you're so understanding and you
push these people to look at things in the positive light. Man,
And it's it's awesome. It really is too. Sometimes you
have to be stubborn. Yeah, that's true too, that's fact.

(39:42):
That's facts. Okay, I'm wrong with that, but you know,
I mean, it's it is. It comes with that though, man,
because you know all those people that always get through it.
Then it's I think that's the worst part is the
family members treat them so weird. It's like, I get,
they used to do these things to beat you, and
they used to these other things. But you got to
give them a break, man, give them a chance to
show you why you shouldn't trust them again, you know.
And it's just so hard for people to understand that.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
We're building our trust with our family. Okay, I gotta
tell you.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
You know, last weekend or the weekend before, my mom
bless her heart, she has bad shoulders and she's doing
some injections sports medicine stuff, and.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
She is out of it.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
She's like, Jay, take my car and my credit card.
I'm like, wait a minute, you said take your credit card?
Are you crazy?

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Woman? My mom trust me with her credit card and
her car, and.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
That's because I built that trust again, Yeah, I built
that trust.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
My mom gives me her like unlimited credit card. Here
you go sun Golden Store. And you know, that was like.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
An awakening moment right there. That's when I knew that
my mom started to trust me again, you know, when
he goes, here's my card, go shopping, get whatever you want,
and but I need this stuff over there? Did I
get anything I wanted?

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Hell? No, I got what was on the list and
that was it.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yeah. Yeah, Now I get that though, because you don't
want her to think anyway at your portray your betraying
or trust at all too.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Man.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
And I'm sure it was hard though, You're like, man, ever,
they want all these he said again, whatever I wants,
you know, damn all right?

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Well okay, you know I want a lot of things,
but you know I'd rather work for those.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
I'd rather work for them, you know, instead of the
immediate gratification as an addict.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
And I think this is a really strong statement to
Jay right here. It says yep, and it means a
lot to her that you proved she could trust you.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
I bet I'm sure it did. I'm sure did. We
still have our moments, you know, just personally, we don't know.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
My Mom's like, uh, I don't want to say anything
bad about my mom. She's OCD and a little bit
of she's got a little bit of tism in HERM.
So she's really has a hard time dealing with change
and uncertainty. And yeah, so me being the chaotic person
I am, she sometimes will like.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Break down, you know.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
And I got to be aware of that myself to
not also do too much and push her too far.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Either, you know.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
So it's a two way street. We learn to treat
each other different ways, now, you know. And that's another
thing going through life. We've got to have boundaries, boundaries.
Let's say our boundaries up here, all right. Let's say
we're up here, we feel good about ourselves, okay, and
then somebody comes into our life and we start accepting

(42:32):
the way they are treating us, and then we start
accepting more and more.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Our self worth goes way down, way down, because we
teach people how to treat us. M.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
I think it's a fantastic copic though. By the way,
he's boundaries, man, Not only that people set them and
people get told all the time they're selfish when they're not.
It's just like jay Ju said, you're telling people, okay,
so this is it. You get past this point then
cutting you off. And then you know, a lot of
people it's hard to do that too, you know. But
I have an aries moon, so I have that tendency.
I just I'd say, when I'm done with you, I'm

(43:09):
done with you, I just cut you off. I don't
have a problem doing it, you know, and things like
that too. But it's very true.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Man.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
A lot of us were people pleasers, you know, in fact,
and we.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Wanted to fit in somewhere, and the rug the drugs
made us feel okay, we could fit in with this group.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Now now we got to keep doing them to fit in.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
So we don't want to quit because we're going to
lose all our friends and all those other thoughts that
go in there, all these other thoughts that go into that, that.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
We are people pleasers.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
So we're going to say yes, and the first time
we say no, we feel bad about it. Y'all might
get angry, but we feel bad about it. So it
makes it harder for us to do it because now
all this thing are we going to do?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
People like me, are they still going to want to
be there for me? Well, I'll tell you what, if
somebody doesn't.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Respect your boundary, they don't respect you, you.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Don't need it.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
In fact, they can't be said any other way. I mean,
you're honestly right, man. If you can't respect somebody's boundaries,
man's that's it. That's the turning point. And a lot
of people can't do that though. Man, they got to,
like you got to set those firm boundaries like these
are the ways you want to be treated. Don't let
people disrespect your boundaries. It don't matter who it is, like, listen,
this is why I is set in place. You got
to put your foot down. And that's the hardest part
for a lot of people do.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
And if they if you give an inch, we're going
to give a mile too, because we're going to take
more than that, you know. So we got to have
them firm, like firm my mom not only being a
support to you, but you're followers.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
You need a mom. Absolutely. My mom's an amazing person.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
She supports everybody else on the app, she comes on
my platform, she loves listening to me and how I
help other people. So I really do appreciate my mom
a lot, and so does everybody else that follow me.
They're like, Jay's our mom too. We want mom. J
Mom we want moms Jay or Jay's mom or whatever.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
You gotta work on your girl voice. Dave Like, oh
my god, Hi, guys, yeah, I know, no girl voice.
We're get a couple of their day's gonna have a
wag on one day.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
It's not change.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
I'm like laughing hysterically.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Oh my god. But that's so awesome, man, I mean,
like I said, she it's it's so great. She's there
supporting you, man, Like that's always great. You know, when
you have such a support system. You have all these
people that here today. Man, I love you. Even even
Joey showed up and he said, I don't know if
you saw. I'm so glad that we met you. You're
an amazing brother.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Thank you, Joey. Love your face.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
So yes, bro, Yeah, man, looking at all these people here, man,
here to support you, man, And it's all because you're
just doing one thing. Man. You're just out there trying
to help other people get through these things, and you
know where they've been and things like that. Man, And
that says enough about you right there.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
Man.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
If people haven't met you, they need you. Enough about
my voices by the way, Okay, there's several different kinds
you better quick. All right, we'll have to do a
whole episode about those. But yeah, man, listen, like you're
you're getting ready to get into a very interesting space.
So are you going to do strictly addiction recovery. You're
gonna be mental health as well, because if you get
in mental health, health and addiction, you're going to find
some very interesting topics. I'm telling you right now.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
So a big part of addiction is mental health. If
you didn't start off with a mental health issue, you
end with.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
One, yeah, because you self medicate.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Because you self medicate, and then like my doc, my
drug of choice was M three THH and with that
comes induced psychosis, you know, and that is literally a
big thing nowadays because everybody's out to get us. Yeah,
this is while an activatic, but it continues why you're clean, Yeah,

(46:45):
that people are still out there to get you.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
That you will still see things.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Sometimes you'll think you're hearing things and all these are
real in your mind. It's not really happening. It's real
in your mind. Sticks with us and institutionalization. People in
prison a long time that don't know how to act
on the street. I do kind of you know, uh,

(47:11):
just every day life is.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
A mental health battle.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Yeah, you can get through one day it without a
mental health episode. You're doing way better than ninety percent
of people on the planet, you.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Know, mean, make it half to half the way through
the day. You know, I have like so many it's
it's just small step recovery. So with that kind of stuff,
you know, I think people, uh, you know, nistine to understand. Man,
you're gonna win the little battles sometimes you're it's gonna
be rough. You're gonna get there. But every fucks up,
it happens. Don't don't beat yourself up when you have
slip ups and all that other kind of stuff. I mean,
it's gonna happen. You know, can't beat yourself over it.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
For your brain to reset seven seconds, So thinking one
thought for seven seconds, even if you have to repeat
it over and over and over and over again for
seven seconds, your brain will reset.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Just well we have anxiety, so that resets about three
times that rate, you know.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
So yeah, I mean it's already be said. I can't
are dancing around trying to.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Like story from finding Emo, Like oh look.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
Literally every time I went like this so far was
to push my cat off my desk because.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
I've done that before. Top I've had those as far.
I was doing one, or I was leaning off to
the side, we had an incident going on, and it's like, yeah,
I'm gonna stop. Or you hear the dog snoring in
the background, or you'll see the dog walking behind me. Yeah,
it's great.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Bones that won't stand my ear. I'm like, it's irritating that, dude.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
I bought these are from my xbox. I use these two.
So I'm like, yeah, yeah, but yeah, man, like I said,
you're getting ready to I'm barking a great journey. I'm
telling you right now. Man, the conversations and the people
I'm gonna send over to you that I have and
just a list of them, You're gonna love it. Man,
You're gonna have some very interesting conversations along the way.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Man that is.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Like he's got a free calendar. Look, he's got a
free calendar for you. And by the way, I was
your first person described to YouTube channel, by the way,
so I said, you didn't have anybody, so I would
definitely post it out there for everyone to see, you know, guys,
go and follows Paul J. Man Rock and recovery man YouTube.
Go check it out. Man, he's going to be on there.
Do you know when you're do you have a recording
schedule set up or you just kind of got them
as you get him.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
I want to do them on Fridays, you know, and
probably or Monday, one of the two.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Thanks Joey. I appreciate it. Man.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
I'm still working it out my schedule because I got
school on one day that I have to do by
this day. I'm still working it, working my schedule he's doing,
you know, But it's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
I think it's going to be. I'm telling you, man.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Digital calendar is so much easier for you because you
could just put it on there and with your profile,
you can link it there so they can go look
at it, and you can set up what times are
best for you in your work schedule, and you could
just adjust it to what works better for you. And
then you could set it up like that too.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
All right, I'm.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Telling you, I'll send you over the one I use.
I just I use a free one. I just use
everything free. I don't I don't have if I don't
have to pay for my I don't see you. The
point But anyways, right at the part of this Jay
where we're gonna ask you the very interesting question. I
don't know if you've watched these episodes before, you may
remind me you may recognize this question. This question comes
in from a good friend of mine that runs a podcast,
The Ship that Goes On in Our Head. Okay, so
when me and her met we had an interesting question.

(50:15):
She said to me, Pete, if your mental health had
a song, what would it be? And guys, you can
answer this in the comments to if you like so, Jay,
my question you is, if your mental had a song,
what would that song be?

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Oh? Disturbed sound of Silence?

Speaker 3 (50:29):
I love it, I love it, I think so far.
Yours is number number two in the list case and
number one with Susan Snow with Raise against the Machine. Oh,
She's like, you're gonna laugh and repeat. I said, Oh no,
that's a great one.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yep. So, but you know, you know a favorite band,
favorite group? Disturbed one? Do that? Or corn y'all want
to single?

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Say I love I love corn yep?

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Either one?

Speaker 3 (50:55):
All right? So now here's the all important questions. Jay,
if you could break the stigma up out men the
health something you hear people say all the time, what
would that be?

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (51:05):
That relapse does not have to be part of your recovery.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Oh, that is about mental health though, But that's part
of mental health.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Yeah, And relapse doesn't have to be part of your recovery.
But if it is, we're still here for you. Just
keep doing the next right there. That's it and never give.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Me by the way. Uh. Miranda says her song is
Headstrongly Trapped.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Okay, that's good.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Like I said, go check out Jay you know, rock
and recovery and YouTube guys. You can find them there
Jason to figure out his schedule and everything like that
for y'all. He is also on Instagram too. Ill I'm
gonna have all that in the bile down below case
I were watching this at a later time, you know,
and follow him and everything like that. Man, you know,
and like I said, man, it's gonna be great. I
love I'm so happy that you started doing this. Man,
I know that you were inspired by me to do
it and all that other great stuff. But man, listen,

(51:54):
I'm telling you, bro, you're gonna get in some interesting
conversations along the way.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
Man.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
You never know what these people are gonna say when
you hit record. And that's a great thing about it though,
is because when you get into these conversations, you know
you're definitely going to learn some new things along the way,
so you'll add some new tools you can't every too,
you know, Like I learned that help hub dot Co
is a really great one too. In case anybody has
never been to that site, go check it out. If
you have know anybody that struggles and needs anything, or
yourself needs something, go check it out. Help Up that

(52:17):
code is basically a collection of everything you could possibly
need mental health advice. It'll take you through everything, but
you know where to go, where to start at least
get you an idea where you're at and everything that too.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
You know. And there's one thing I do want to say,
is like today or this month, this whole month is
of some awareness overdose awareness month.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
It's like sexual assault witness. Isn't it too?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Uh? Over? Are we we are? In August?

Speaker 3 (52:42):
I think I've got my month's mixed up?

Speaker 2 (52:43):
But you're right, you know, every day is an overdose
awareness month for me.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
And that means, you know, check on your part, your friends,
just check on them, and you know, reach out if
you're struggling and just say, hey, buddy, you want to
go get a cup of coffee.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
That's it, That's all it takes.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Just make it make somebody else feel wanted and loved
and appreciated in this world.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yeah, no, I agree, man. It's also great to checking
on people. You know, even if you haven't heard from
about simple tax, say how you doing things like that too?
You know, you never know if they can use that
message because that always you know, it changed somebody's life.
You never know that text message could be the one
thing they need to stop them from doing something. You know,
that double credit at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Good night or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Just makes make sure you make somebody feel appreciated and
wanted and being in this world.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Yeah, no, I agree, I agree man. It's it's it's
just can't be said enough, you know. And the other
thing too, guys, is you know, reach out if you
need help, talk to somebody, like, for the love of God,
please talk to somebody, because men, we are losing ourselves
out too fast of a fucking rate. K eighty percent,
it's just an insane number for suicide to be the
cause of death for men. I swear to God, it's
just insanity.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
It is, it is, and it's all because we don't
talk about these things. Guys, reach out to me, reach
out to you. Hey, one of us will listen to you. Man,
I'm always around. He will tell you I'm around all
Novis night doing.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
Something, allowed to cry, and that we need Nana and
all Monday.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
That's bullshit because I'll just see me crying.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Come tell me I'm not a man. I will fucking
not say you're right. But you know, it's that stigma
that we grew up with is if you want something
to cry, I'll cry. I'll give you it to you
and man up and uh, you know, put being a
sissy or whatever else. It was that you know, we're
not allowed to cry and we're not to have feelings

(54:33):
and we're supposed.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
To have it all together. Well, I'll tell you what.
The only thing I got all together is like nothing?

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Right? I agree, man, I agree. Like I said, it's
just if we don't talk enough. Guys. I think it's like,
you know, everybody says you can't cry. Bro, what anybody
miss last week? You might want to go watch last
Week tif Carson, dude had me in tears, bro. The
story that woman told. I was in tears, Bro. It
was choking up. I was trying to hold it back, bro,

(55:01):
and I just broke down the first time ever in
this show. The craziest fucking stories I've heard. This poor
woman brother had had dealt with addiction and then he
was sexually assaulted and he was abused by the grandfather
and the father all this ship, dude, and it was insane.
And she's like then she found it all out right
before he took his life, you know. And it's just
it was it was hard to listen to you, man,

(55:21):
because she was crying and I started crying. I was
just like the fuck man. But I mean it just
goes to show you're just human at the end of
the day.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Man.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
We all have emotions, man, But that that story was
hard to listen to.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
Old Yeller and Bambi, you know, man, that's great, that's awesome, man.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
It yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
I mean I still do the whole bamby balling and
and freaking Old Yeller balling.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
You know, I don't care. I don't care. I cry
in church, you know, and not really cry, but it'll
like the dust will get to me, you know, mm hmm.
But still it's over.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Sorry, it is.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
And if somebody's gonna judge you on that, you know what,
they're lacking something in themselves. That's it.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Yeah, you know, I think it's true. I think it's
a generational thing too. You got to remember that a
lot of people, you know, you were taught like that.
And if you watch you can see the similarities, like
my mom and my grandmother had the same similarities, like
they both deny things that happen. Oh no, I never
did that. You guys are crazy or whatever, And that
simple statement there could be so detrimental to people because

(56:33):
it's like you're casulating them because you're like, oh, no,
you're crazy. You didn't see these things.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
I've heard in my recovery. I've heard that my story's faked.
That these are people that will say that, oh, he's lying.
We can prove that he's lying. Go ahead, guess what
you can. You can try, but you can't. You know.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
It's funny because my mom comes on that show on
My Morning. It's like everything that he.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Says we should talk about free cries too, Ellie. If
we're going to talk about anybody Okay, the.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Damn time, we won't even talk. She cries more often
than she's not crying.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Let's be real.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
He's like, wait, this turned to a call everybody day
of the show. It will be calling out today. Well day,
thank you so much for coming, man. I appreciate being here, dude.
I'm so excited. I'm looking forward to hearing about some
of the conversations you have and you know, things like that.
I'll definitely be checking it out as I go and
all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Man.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
But you know, like I said, dude, it's it's just
great man, Like, thanks for coming sharing that story, dude,
because that was hard when you started saying that part.
I was like, I'm gonna leave this out for you
to say because that, yeah, because I felt like that
was the turning point for you though, man, the part
where you found the closet scene, and it was just
like that was it for you. It's just your keep going,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
It's either that or I keep going, and I would
have still been on the moon. You know, honestly, I
would still be on the moon right now. Not really,
not on this show, that's for damn sure. Probably on
some news show. You know, with wanted. You know, let's
be real, because I would have not been here to
help anybody.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
That's what my purposes here for. Damn I'm your love.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Else I love it well. Thank you once again for
coming guys, and the start wrapping up this episode of
Pete for Anxiety. Thank you all for being here, guys.
I appreciate all the great comments. You guys are here
hyping them up in the chat, you know, everything like that.
I'm so glad you all came to visit them and
things like that. You you got so excited with Jay.
You're one of the best people I know. Thank you
for all the positive comments for Jay guys. You know,
and like I said, go check out Rock and Recovery

(58:32):
guys YouTube everywhere else is gonna be everywhere. Just wait,
you're gonna see it. He's gonna be everywhere. Sunday You're
gonna see him though. But guys, as I wrap up
this episode Pete for Anxiety, I'd like to say I'm
on TikTok all the way down the Spotify and iHeart
radio guys, and as always say, it costs absolutely nothing.
But nothing costs nothing to be kind of somebody, one
kind act you can save Servi's life. For hell, you
can make their day. I'm pete for its anxiety saying.
I'm saying. Don't ask how your day is today, Say hey,

(58:52):
how's your mental health today,