January 30, 2025 • 48 mins
Today, we're joined by Angela Johnson, CEO of sanoLiving. Angela shares her personal journey through perimenopause and menopause and how it led her to create a company dedicated to women's health. She discusses sanoLiving's holistic approach, which includes education, coaching, mentoring, navigation, and the use of AI technology for personalized care. Angela highlights the need for greater workplace awareness and resources to support menopausal women, as well as the critical role healthcare providers play in addressing this often-overlooked health issue.
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big announcements, folks. First of all, let me tell you
about Angela Johnson. This woman is a trendsetter. She is
a needle mover. We're gonna be talking about her company,
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Centle Midlife, and the impact having on perimenopausal menopausal health,
democratizing it, making it available for the masses, because you've
heard me say many times, this is an underserved population
that has been mistreated and misinformed. And it's a new
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era where we where we will make sure that women
get the appropriate treatment for their perimen apossal symptoms, the
treatment that they deserve. And Central Midlife is that catalysts.
It's that a virtual format that leverages practitioners and AI
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to be able to provide the best care possible for
the masses, for the women out there that are having
there that are having symptoms. And to me, it's beautiful
the passion that she has. I got to meet her
at a panel that we discussion we had out in
Halifax and was on AI and her insights there were great,
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the insights in terms of paramedal pazzle and her personal
experience with it and what I love too. And she's
a fellow Alberton. You're going to notice this about Alberta, folks.
We just get it done. You don't sit on the sidelines, folks.
We get her done. And so this is really exciting,
in fact, so excited when I heard Angela speak and
learn about her company that we're officially partnering with Sandle Midlife.
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best to address an issue that is too overlooked as
far as I'm concerned. So, without further Ado, CEO trend Setter, Speaker, panelist,
this has been something I've been looking forward to for
a long time because as you know, we have covered
a lot it comes to women's house, specifically Perrymanopausa menopausal
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health and our women. And today we have a change
maker here, Angela Johnson, CEO at Santa Oliving. And the
reason I'm excited is because she's she's walking the talk, folks,
She's actually changing the landscape within our country. So we
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Speaker 2 (12:00):
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Glad to be here.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Oh absolutely, So, why do you inform us a bit
on your story because it's not conventional in terms of
why you created and a company to try and address
some of these issues that have been so challenging to address.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Well, it starts with my own personal health and the
fact that I happened to be a woman. Career wise,
I started in tech. Well, actually my undergrad is went
to McMaster and did neurosciences and biosciences. Ended up in tech,
not in pharma, where I thought i'd be, But I
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ended up in tech. And then personal situation. I grew
up on a farm, so entrepreneurship was always in my bones.
I think as a farm girl.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
And so where is your farm?
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Alberta? Just like you?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
But I was do we have this conversation already? Did
I know you're an Alberta girl?
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Yeah? Yeah, I'm from just Didsbury, Olds area, from a
farm in that area Olds. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Oh do you know the Bell family?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
If you asked my mother, I'm sure she would.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Oh my my my prom date, Wendy Bell. She was.
She was from Old Alberta. I saw and my dad. Yeah,
my dad was a manager of a farm safety program.
So I went through all parts of Alberta. I loved
you for a reason, you.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yeah, So that led me to starting a company while
I was in my career at IBM, and I did
both of those things for a while. And then and
while I was in my career at IBM. Before I
started my last business, I had really rough perimenopause, you know.
And when I mean rough, I mean rough. But I
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had no clue it was perimenopause. It was I would
lay down a towel on the bed instead of sheets,
and then I would have a towel on top of me,
and then i'd have another set of towels on the
other side of the bed. So my husband moved out.
He couldn't live with it. It just there was no way
it would work. So he moved into a different bedroom
and I had the full bed to myself, and so
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halfway through the night, the towels would be soaked, and
then I'd roll over and I would use the next
set of towels, and then I'd wake up in the
morning going wow, that was a rough one, and then
off to work I'd go. And it wasn't intil probably
six years later. I found my way to a gynecologist
in Ottawa, of all places, who helped me with some
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other gynological problems I was having. And then he said,
by the way, you don't have to suffer with very
menopausal symptoms. I'm like, what do you talk about very betofos?
Like forty two years old, and he's like, no, no, no,
this is real. So this was at a time when
there were doctors you know who just I didn't know
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what menopause was and stayed clear of it because of
you know, the Women's Health Institute study and the poor
interpretation of it, which has been well clawed back since
but still lingers on to this day. So so you know,
then then I had I left my job at IBM
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when full fledged into my career, and I thought, ah,
I'm postmenopausal. You know, I don't need this stuff anymore,
and I quit it cold turkey. Oh is that a
bad mistake? I you know, I went full fledged in
the sweats. But then it was also the hot flashes.
I had brain like my I was depressed. I'm a
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woman that.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Gets up and gets stuff done, and I was like,
I don't need to get up, and I would sit
and play bridge on my phone all day long, like literally,
and oh, I had joint pain.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
I was getting sodium hygronate injections and cortisol injections because
I thought it was that. No, when I got back
on HRT, haven't needed it since. So it just is
this bringing of the years I had that too, you know,
like it's just these randomized symptoms. And so when when
I got back on the HRT and I had I
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was feeling good again and I was back to myself,
I was like, you know, maybe I need to look
at what's going on in the world. And I realized
that in the UK ten years ago, there were companies
out there supporting women, giving them a virtual digital health
solution that then they would work with in person care
because you can't do women's health entirely digitally. And I
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was like, well, why don't we have this in Canada?
And I just said, that's it. Back I go back
to work, I go, and so in April of last year,
we kicked off again.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
This is amazing, and honestly, I'm sorry you had to
go through all this to land here, but I think
this is what's making your story and your push so
powerful because you're going full steam ahead with Signel Living
and its impact. And I, as someone that has seen
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what you were describing in terms of symptoms, I know
many of our listeners are going through that. I've seen
it in my own house, I've seen it with my
employees at work, having that validation, but also providing them
with tools to address this. Yeah, is magical. So tell us,
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so you decide you're going to launch Sunal Living and
what can people expect through your company?
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Well, so, what I learned in my experience of my
years with the last company and the work we've done
is that and that women as a woman, what I believe,
and then talking to others, what really you need to
focus on in women's health is there's a big education
element to it, but there's also coaching and mentoring and support.
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There is a need for navigation knowing where do I go,
who do what resources do I really need for my
to optimize my health and for women's health, especially in
the menopause, perimenopause through to postmenopause, it's really important not
just to have the medications, but to have your focus
on your diet, focus on your sleep, your meditation and
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mental health. Focus on exercise so critical for osteoporosis and
your pelvic health, floor and your bladder control, all those things.
It is a holistic thing that we need. It's not
just one thing, and every woman's journey is unique. You know,
what my symptoms were are not going to be anything
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like another woman's symptoms, so they need this whole program
that can support them, and that's what we opted to build.
So you get navigation, you get coaching, mentorship, you get education,
you get peer group where you can talk to other
women that are going to similar challenges. So women that
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might be cancer survivors, they have very different needs in
different things. They need to explore and discuss and share
of lessons learned. Then a woman that's postmenopausal and still
has everything intact. So each woman, you know, is able
to explore with a group of others what's working for
them and share their stories. Because women women are community driven.
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We're very much you know, we love to talk and
explore with each other and share, so we have that environment.
And then they have the clinicians, whether it's a notchropathic
doctor because they want to focus on supplements, or if
it's an actual clinician like a nurse practitioner or a
physician that they want to look at the HRT or
other medications because they may have a contry unication or
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they maybe need a dietician or a physiotherapist. They can
get it through us. We can support them to get
all those resources.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Incredible and one thing I want to reinforce where you said, Angela,
was this the concept they're like personalizing the approach they're having,
not a cookie cutter approach to the management of PERIMENOPAUSAM
and menopausal women where everyone is going to have different
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needs and they're going to be in different stages of
their journey. But it's nice that they could come to
a platform where their needs can be met. And this
is so and it's so holistic to Angela, like, I
really appreciate what you said too about the non pharmacological
and the pharmacological options, and because I mean, we covered
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this a lot on the show. There's a lot of
things that we should be doing that that can improve
the overall picture. So weight training, you know, thinking about
your protein intake, you know, aiming for thirty grands from
me as many people would say, managing your sleep, thinking
about the alcohol consumption, like all these motherly ideas and concepts,
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but they can make a difference. And so I'm curious
when people jump on Central Living, like in terms of
the process, like it's an onboarding, do they have to
fill out a questionnaire to be able to assess where
their needs are? Like, how do they approach things for
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as a first time user.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
So they all start with a self guided assessment and
so it asks about your periods and your flow if
you are still having a period, and that gives us
some baseline metrics around where what stage you might be in.
And then from there it gets into the Green Scale.
It's the standard scale out there, which has been around
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for I'm going to say forty plus years, maybe longer
I think longer. So it's used around the world, but
it's twenty one questions that it looks at your mental health.
There's almost half of it's on mental health, and then
it gets into the vaso motors. It gets into sexual health,
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but it still doesn't cover a lot of the symptoms
that we've discovered over the years that is actually tied
to estrogen because we have estrogen receptors everywhere in our
bodies and so this is why we get these crazy
symptoms when our estrogen depletes and we can't figure out, well,
why would I have a UTI and have tonitis and
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vertigo problems? What's the link there? Right, So it looks
at all these other symptoms that a woman might be
having and she can decide how many symptoms she wants
to explore, and then from there she's paired with a
coach mentor who is a licensed health practitioner who who
is trained in menopause and has a broader scope of
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focusing on the lifestyle changes. And then from there it's
an exploration about do you want an end nature ethic doctor,
do you want a nurse practitioner or a physician or
do you want both? And some opt for both, right,
So it's building that team that you need and then
navigating out. So maybe they haven't had a mammogram or
a bone density test or a pelvic floor exam, because
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a lot of us haven't been getting those either, So
it's all of those things coupled together. And then the
plan continues and some women we navigate back to their
GP because they just kind of needed that baseline of
information and where they're at, and they'll go back and
have the conversation to explore with their GP, or they
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stay with us. It's really everyone is different what happens.
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Speaker 2 (24:27):
In terms of using some of the tools to be
able to get those assessments. Like you and I sat
at we moderated a talk we're part of a panel sorry,
back in the spring, and one of the things that
really caught my eye was sound a living leveraging AI
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and how we could be using using AI as a
tool to be more efficient and to provide optimal care.
So I want if you can speak a little bit
about your experience there.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Yeah, So we have a virtual health assistant called Santo,
So that's the AI assistant. And I actually was listening
to some of your past podcasts and you had our
deal Piper on and she mentioned how you know, this
is menopause is not a fifteen minute consult in the clinic,
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right like it there is this steep learning curve. There's
this you know, the listening and the need to get
to know the person. And so we leverage Sano for
that portion. So a woman can come on and ask
it any question and it really intimate stuff because there's
no judgment. It's a machine, and we find that, you know,
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they can some of the craziest questions come out of it.
But so it's a great place to learn. And where
we're headed though, is that we really want to link
it to our EMR and to wearables so that it
can really become more of an assistant. So I envision
a day and this. I keep telling my team this.
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I think I say it at least once a week.
I want it to be able to if a woman's
having a hot you know, night sweat, and then let's say,
her ring senses that's she's having this temperature gage and
then it senses, oh, she's awake, and so then it'll
ask her. You know, Angela, I notice you're having this
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intensive hot flash that you know. Now you're awake. You
have that meditation breathing exercise that you like so much.
Would you like me to play it for you instead
of me having to turn on my light, you know,
stick my phone in my face, find the meditation and
breathing exercise. It's all there, and before I know it,
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I'm back to sleep and the you know, the whole
hot flash and night sweat is finished. So this is
where I want to get to, where AI is it
really becomes a true fledged assistant. You know it it's
got insights, it's got knowledge, and it pairs it all
together and it knows you with the personalization that that's
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what works for you, and I know when you needed
to work for you. That is a personalized assistant.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Oh my god. So we mentioned this in the intro,
but Angela is doing a presentation at our Innovation Day
or Lionhearted Innovation Day, talking about how AI can really
improve physician wellness, but in this specific in this specific
example which indirectly affects physician wellness we'll talk about in
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a second, but damn straight, this is where we should
be going, like that connection with leveraging AI and and
all this technology to have that personalized approach and give
that feedback. You know, it's just it's just the tech
is coming. It's obviously it's things are always perfect at
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this stage. But I love the vision. I love the
vision of using all the stuff that we're doing already. Well,
I mean, I don't know about you, if you're an
oral person or an Apple Watch person. We're all wearing
these devices, we all have our phones. It'd be nice
to have that that kind of push or kind nudge
to say you might benefit from this, yeah, and and
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and opt and just allow yourself to be more optimized
because I do know I I don't see how this
isn't coming. And I love the fact that you yourself
are pushing this within your team because I have no
doubts that you're going to get there.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
We're definitely gonna get there because I'm not going to
stop beating my drama about it.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Absolutely, and and Angela, this kind of ties honestly to
the clinician wellness. So I kind of, as I mentioned before,
I kind of stumbled into this area one through seeing
my wife going through her experience, but then opening up
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my eyes to what many of our staff are going through.
And number one, for sure, this would be so beneficial
to so many of our women that are going through
this stage of life. But also that whole principle of
having that personalized approach and feedback using AI as a
healthcare provider, to me, it would be so valuable. Like
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I'm wondering if you could comment on where you see
or how you see that benefiting the clinician.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Well, you know, clinicians, they run busy practices and unfortunately
in Canada in particular right our provincial health codes for
billing codes don't support physicians to be able to really
do the proactive care that they I think signed up
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for when they became doctors. Like when they really wanted
to become a doctor, it wasn't I want to be
able to spend five minutes with my patient, And then
I've got another fifty waiting in the waiting room and
they're having a mental health moment or a moment that
needs you know, an hour consultation, not five minutes. And unfortunately,
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you know the more AI like, we have great tools,
and we will never replace the personal nature that a
doctor and a patient's relationship has. But I think we
can streamline the administration. We can streamline the process of
helping women get educated. Like we're talking about menopause, so
you know, women can come in be self assessed, right,
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So they come in with a paper that says, well,
this is where I'm at, My symptoms seem to be,
you know, suggesting that it's menopause related. And now I'm equipped,
I understand the language, I understand the terms. I'm more
educated that conversation that you know would have taken an
hour can maybe take fifteen minutes right in the billing
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code that we've got, and so it can also the
next layer I want to get to is clinical decisions
support tools. So I'm an XIBM er and IBM was
in AI thirty years ago. Like with the memorials Loan Kettering,
we were doing clinical decisions support tools for breast cancer,
lung cancer, right, and it was AI. You basically map
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the processes, you've built the algorithms, and then you train
it based on clinical research studies. And you know clinicians
that are maybe not in a dedicated cancer center like
memorials Loan Kettering that is a full research, dedicated, large
conglomerate momuth of a hospital. You know those people, well,
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even they can't read all the research that's coming out
right and stay current, whereas a machine can. And if
you can teach it on the latest and greatest, and
then it iteratively learns and improves and you can drill
into well wait a minute, I don't trust that answer.
I'm not prescribing what you're suggesting until I find out
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the real source. Right. That's where I want to get
to with, you know, helping clinicians equip them with having
the confidence to treat menopausal women, because unfortunately, at university,
in med school and in residence, they only got a
fraction of a few hours on what menopause is, let
alone how to treat it. And then we have, you
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know the fact that we've got the Women's Health Institute
study that was in two thousand and two, and you
know we have a mammoth press conference about how it
causes cancer and blood clots. But you know, since then,
we've had multiple iterations of the Women's Health Institute report.
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You know what, we're calling back those findings. We've re
looked at the data we've been following women out of
that study and we realize, oh, we got the interpretation
all wrong. No press conferences about that. So we have
clinicians still believe in that it causes cancer because they
just said, I'm not touching that with attend to football.
And so what we need is tools like this to
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help us quickly get there and you know, make up
for lost time. I believe this.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
You I couldn't agree more because the lag behind us
as clinicians and physicians being more tuned with the latest
and greatest data, there's always a lag not only about
the awareness but also the change in practice. So to
have that nudge AI to be able to have that
(33:58):
nudge to say, hey, this is this is an evidence
based approach that we would suggest as a decision as
a decision tool would be luscious. And I just think,
I just think it's one of those things that we
shouldn't be waiting for med school to catch up on,
because this, honestly from my humble experience, that's that's a
(34:23):
decade away. It really is a decade away. And so yeah,
leverage the tools that we have in front of us,
and I love it. Decision support efficiency at as as
they're seeing a clinician because they have an educated, educated
patient that can more readily describe their symptoms and have
(34:45):
a report on your desk. This is not only a
roadmap for, to be honest with you, for perimenopause and menopause,
but this is a roadmap for.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Every type of condition out there. Yeah, for sure, for sure,
But can you imagine us as a clinician if you
had such a tool, how you could then transfer that
time towards bonding and having a human connection and conversation
with your patient, Like you really are able to get
(35:16):
back to the grassroots of why you got into medicine
in the first place, right having those supporting admind tools
to get that all for you, right, I just I
think it's exactly. I really believe we can't look at AI,
especially in medicine, as replacing clinicians because we are so
(35:38):
desperate to have them, we have so few that the
tools that are coming will just empower them to be
so much more effective and so better.
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It's a great way to put it, and I do
think there's a lot of physicians that see it as
a threat. And to me, it's like you said, you
have more time to do the things that you got
into medicine for. Like I don't want to fill out
(36:38):
a form ABC. I would rather hold your hand and
walk you through a tough discussion or just really get
to know you better and what your fears and what
your your values are and help you navigate your healthcare journey. Yeah,
(36:59):
and then to fill out all these forms into like
I mean, I don't know about you I hate it
when I'm I'm just given having to talk about some
of my my health issues and the doc is just
staring at the screen, typing away or whatever, like you
know what I mean. Yeah, I've had nine bounts of diarrhea,
(37:23):
like you know, like it just it feels so impersonal,
like I don't know, I I just like, look look
at my face. Okay just for a second.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Yeah yeah, back turned to you and padded away on
the keyboard.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yes, yeah, yeah, No, I'm I'm all about this. So
so Angela, just to be clear for folks too, can
anybody tap into Santo Living? Do you need a referral? Like,
I just want to make sure that people, because they're Gooda,
You're gonna after this. I'm gonna say it wholeheartedly and
(37:58):
with confidence. There's going to be an influx of people
going to this website and checking this out. Our most
popular episodes in the last year. I've definitely been on
this issue.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
So so how do people tap in?
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Yes, anybody can come to us. We were initially just
focused on business to business where you know, I was
really about every woman should have access to something like
this in their workplace, benefits today, fifty percent of employees
you know, are women, but we have benefits that are
really male, you know, generic. But we have unique health
(38:36):
needs and we need unique health solutions for us, and
that we don't need accommodations at work. What we want
are just solutions that we can go get access to
care we need so we can go on to live
the lives we designed, which includes at our peak earning
years being you know, working at our best, so that
we can bank as much for our retirements just like
(38:58):
anybody else. And so what we did recently though, as
we opened it up to the public as well. So
just because you don't have it in your benefits of
work yet, you can get access to us and you
can use your health spending account, your wellness account to
cover the cost of it.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Amazing. So just to be clear, folks, you don't have
to It's no longer just b to be. You could
just tap into sign a Living and tap into the
excellent service and teams and navigation and tools and edumacation
that Angela and our team are providing. And I gotta say,
(39:39):
there's nothing like this in this country. This why I
was hyped behind this guys.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Yeah, and We're in every province and in both French
and English, so if it doesn't matter where you are,
you have access to it. And the thing to find
it is it's called Sanomidlife dot com. That's all you
got to type in is SAMO and then mid and
then life dot com and you'll find us.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Listen, I got like there is in this country nothing
like this, and this is why on this show we
bring change makers were talking about Boogie changing, changing the
landscape of healthcare within our country. This is what Angela
(40:24):
and her crew are doing. Guys, so check out the website,
get behind, pass this along to any friend, family member
that you think it would be experiencing perimenopause or menopause,
and let's support each other and even the guys. I'm
(40:45):
telling you you will be so greatful. I don't lie.
You'll be so grateful when Mama Bear is feeling better.
And this is the total game changer. Anything else we've
(41:05):
left out, Angela anywhere, anything else you want to pump up?
Speaker 5 (41:10):
You know, I think one of the things I see
a lot on social media, and maybe we can go
there for a minute is you know there's the feedback
about well, why is menopause having such a moment, like,
you know, women have been having menopause for the last
you know, sensusception. So what's the big deal now, Like,
you know, are women just you know, becoming whiny complaining
(41:30):
things or is there something different? And I think what
is important to recognize is that, you know, up until
twenty years ago, women were able to access medications and
go to their doctor and get access to care. It
was it was very prominent. They didn't talk about it,
(41:51):
but they could go to the doctor and get access
to care. You know, more than half the population of
women were on HRT in some countries eighty percent. But
that Women's Health Institute study put the fear of God
into everyone when the press conference happened. And you know,
so we've had two decades of women that haven't had
(42:12):
access to such care. And that's what's happened, is that
And we're in the workplace and you know, we also
have social media and we're able to communicate more quickly,
more timely, and so women are sharing their stories about
how they're being left behind and dismissed and they're saying,
but why do I feel like this? And my mother
(42:33):
didn't and this is where you know, we're finally having
a moment and where we're talking about trying to claw
back two twenty years of lost opportunity for a lot
of women. And I feel terrible for those women that
you know, they really suffered in silence for a long time.
So yeah, I just I'd like to make sure we
(42:56):
talk about that.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Well, let me just just throw down for a second.
Why the hell is it a problem for people to
see or a movement developed, whatever you want to call
it for when there's been an injustice and people are
feeling there's a movement so people could be more functional
and feeling better. There's women that were put on antidepressants.
(43:18):
There are women that were retiring early from their profession
because of their symptoms in it. And I'll give examples
in my world in the intensive care unit you would
have and especially when we're in a time of crisis,
we're better now who in terms of HR you have
these women that are super knowledgeable, have this experience and
(43:42):
they're out of your workforce when a bunch of youth
are coming in because of their symptoms, like, this is
not justice, This is not right, This is not good
for anybody, period. You know what I mean, so if
you want to have a movement, I'm saying own it
is whining about this. I don't know what you're whining about,
(44:03):
Like there's nothing to whine about, like people feeling better
and getting some attention because of the lack of awareness.
Like it's to me, there's still like even I still
talk to many co workers now and they're still behind
the times. I just got message the other day saying like, oh,
going to get cancer if I start HRT just like
(44:24):
the old WHI kind of movement, press conference movement and
so like not to get to uh getting on a
whatever the term is, soapbox or whatever, but scream from
the fences. This is, to me, is a stupid argument
of people are whining about this, like keep shining, Angela
(44:46):
and social media keep shining.
Speaker 5 (44:48):
Absolutely, yeah, I do believe you're absolutely right in that,
you know, women are leaving the workforce unnecessarily because they're
just not getting access to the care. And that was
exactly what you know was driven behind my approach was
that I want to get into workplace benefits so women
can get the care they need. But you know, one
in ten and this is consistent in you know the
(45:12):
third world countries that have been doing assessments, one in
ten leave the workforce due to their menopausal symptoms and
so and then there's seventy five percent that just have
daily disruptive symptoms and so that you know, they're not
functioning at their best. And the last thing they want is,
you know, an accommodation and said, well, we've got a
package for you to go on disability leave that that
(45:34):
isn't what they want. They just want to feel better
so that they can forge on with the career that
they had designed for themselves. Because this is you know,
our prime time to earn our dollars too, and we
have career aspirations, you know, we're not we want to
part of being fulfilled as a human is contributing and
being part of a greater, greater event and to be
(45:58):
fully fulfilled that means work for a lot of women,
right and so yeah, it's just it's about time that
we fix it.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah. Purpose, there is a lot of the people that
are working in our environment. This is their purpose to
serve and to be present for that and to teach
and to provide the next generation with the tools to
be able to do their best work. And so yes,
absolutely we should be addressing this full on. And I
(46:27):
gotta say, Angela, you've been a champ. You've been a
champ to not only like I said, you walk the walk,
the talk, talk the walk, sorr. I mix my metaphors
all the time, run the marathon while talking. But it's
it's just nice to see not only the advocacy, but
(46:49):
it's it's nice to cease a company provide tools to
be able to fix the problem. And you're not seeing
much of this in our country. And this is why
I think you know, we're about five years deep in
this up in this podcast, folks, And I don't know
(47:09):
if you've heard me pump up someone's tires like this,
but it really, it really is something pretty spectacular what
Angela is doing. So I really appreciate you coming on
the show.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
Oh I appreciate you having us because you know, the
more we can get the message out, the better.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
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(48:09):
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Talk real soon. Peace.
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Speaker 2 (12:00):
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Glad to be here.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Oh absolutely, So, why do you inform us a bit
on your story because it's not conventional in terms of
why you created and a company to try and address
some of these issues that have been so challenging to address.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Well, it starts with my own personal health and the
fact that I happened to be a woman. Career wise,
I started in tech. Well, actually my undergrad is went
to McMaster and did neurosciences and biosciences. Ended up in tech,
not in pharma, where I thought i'd be, But I
(12:43):
ended up in tech. And then personal situation. I grew
up on a farm, so entrepreneurship was always in my bones.
I think as a farm girl.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
And so where is your farm?
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Alberta? Just like you?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
But I was do we have this conversation already? Did
I know you're an Alberta girl?
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Yeah? Yeah, I'm from just Didsbury, Olds area, from a
farm in that area Olds. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Oh do you know the Bell family?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
If you asked my mother, I'm sure she would.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Oh my my my prom date, Wendy Bell. She was.
She was from Old Alberta. I saw and my dad. Yeah,
my dad was a manager of a farm safety program.
So I went through all parts of Alberta. I loved
you for a reason, you.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yeah, So that led me to starting a company while
I was in my career at IBM, and I did
both of those things for a while. And then and
while I was in my career at IBM. Before I
started my last business, I had really rough perimenopause, you know.
And when I mean rough, I mean rough. But I
(13:56):
had no clue it was perimenopause. It was I would
lay down a towel on the bed instead of sheets,
and then I would have a towel on top of me,
and then i'd have another set of towels on the
other side of the bed. So my husband moved out.
He couldn't live with it. It just there was no way
it would work. So he moved into a different bedroom
and I had the full bed to myself, and so
(14:17):
halfway through the night, the towels would be soaked, and
then I'd roll over and I would use the next
set of towels, and then I'd wake up in the
morning going wow, that was a rough one, and then
off to work I'd go. And it wasn't intil probably
six years later. I found my way to a gynecologist
in Ottawa, of all places, who helped me with some
(14:39):
other gynological problems I was having. And then he said,
by the way, you don't have to suffer with very
menopausal symptoms. I'm like, what do you talk about very betofos?
Like forty two years old, and he's like, no, no, no,
this is real. So this was at a time when
there were doctors you know who just I didn't know
(15:00):
what menopause was and stayed clear of it because of
you know, the Women's Health Institute study and the poor
interpretation of it, which has been well clawed back since
but still lingers on to this day. So so you know,
then then I had I left my job at IBM
(15:20):
when full fledged into my career, and I thought, ah,
I'm postmenopausal. You know, I don't need this stuff anymore,
and I quit it cold turkey. Oh is that a
bad mistake? I you know, I went full fledged in
the sweats. But then it was also the hot flashes.
I had brain like my I was depressed. I'm a
(15:41):
woman that.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Gets up and gets stuff done, and I was like,
I don't need to get up, and I would sit
and play bridge on my phone all day long, like literally,
and oh, I had joint pain.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
I was getting sodium hygronate injections and cortisol injections because
I thought it was that. No, when I got back
on HRT, haven't needed it since. So it just is
this bringing of the years I had that too, you know,
like it's just these randomized symptoms. And so when when
I got back on the HRT and I had I
(16:12):
was feeling good again and I was back to myself,
I was like, you know, maybe I need to look
at what's going on in the world. And I realized
that in the UK ten years ago, there were companies
out there supporting women, giving them a virtual digital health
solution that then they would work with in person care
because you can't do women's health entirely digitally. And I
(16:35):
was like, well, why don't we have this in Canada?
And I just said, that's it. Back I go back
to work, I go, and so in April of last year,
we kicked off again.
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This is amazing, and honestly, I'm sorry you had to
go through all this to land here, but I think
this is what's making your story and your push so
powerful because you're going full steam ahead with Signel Living
and its impact. And I, as someone that has seen
(17:09):
what you were describing in terms of symptoms, I know
many of our listeners are going through that. I've seen
it in my own house, I've seen it with my
employees at work, having that validation, but also providing them
with tools to address this. Yeah, is magical. So tell us,
(17:29):
so you decide you're going to launch Sunal Living and
what can people expect through your company?
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Well, so, what I learned in my experience of my
years with the last company and the work we've done
is that and that women as a woman, what I believe,
and then talking to others, what really you need to
focus on in women's health is there's a big education
element to it, but there's also coaching and mentoring and support.
(18:01):
There is a need for navigation knowing where do I go,
who do what resources do I really need for my
to optimize my health and for women's health, especially in
the menopause, perimenopause through to postmenopause, it's really important not
just to have the medications, but to have your focus
on your diet, focus on your sleep, your meditation and
(18:23):
mental health. Focus on exercise so critical for osteoporosis and
your pelvic health, floor and your bladder control, all those things.
It is a holistic thing that we need. It's not
just one thing, and every woman's journey is unique. You know,
what my symptoms were are not going to be anything
(18:45):
like another woman's symptoms, so they need this whole program
that can support them, and that's what we opted to build.
So you get navigation, you get coaching, mentorship, you get education,
you get peer group where you can talk to other
women that are going to similar challenges. So women that
(19:05):
might be cancer survivors, they have very different needs in
different things. They need to explore and discuss and share
of lessons learned. Then a woman that's postmenopausal and still
has everything intact. So each woman, you know, is able
to explore with a group of others what's working for
them and share their stories. Because women women are community driven.
(19:29):
We're very much you know, we love to talk and
explore with each other and share, so we have that environment.
And then they have the clinicians, whether it's a notchropathic
doctor because they want to focus on supplements, or if
it's an actual clinician like a nurse practitioner or a
physician that they want to look at the HRT or
other medications because they may have a contry unication or
(19:52):
they maybe need a dietician or a physiotherapist. They can
get it through us. We can support them to get
all those resources.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Incredible and one thing I want to reinforce where you said, Angela,
was this the concept they're like personalizing the approach they're having,
not a cookie cutter approach to the management of PERIMENOPAUSAM
and menopausal women where everyone is going to have different
(20:23):
needs and they're going to be in different stages of
their journey. But it's nice that they could come to
a platform where their needs can be met. And this
is so and it's so holistic to Angela, like, I
really appreciate what you said too about the non pharmacological
and the pharmacological options, and because I mean, we covered
(20:46):
this a lot on the show. There's a lot of
things that we should be doing that that can improve
the overall picture. So weight training, you know, thinking about
your protein intake, you know, aiming for thirty grands from
me as many people would say, managing your sleep, thinking
about the alcohol consumption, like all these motherly ideas and concepts,
(21:10):
but they can make a difference. And so I'm curious
when people jump on Central Living, like in terms of
the process, like it's an onboarding, do they have to
fill out a questionnaire to be able to assess where
their needs are? Like, how do they approach things for
(21:32):
as a first time user.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
So they all start with a self guided assessment and
so it asks about your periods and your flow if
you are still having a period, and that gives us
some baseline metrics around where what stage you might be in.
And then from there it gets into the Green Scale.
It's the standard scale out there, which has been around
(21:59):
for I'm going to say forty plus years, maybe longer
I think longer. So it's used around the world, but
it's twenty one questions that it looks at your mental health.
There's almost half of it's on mental health, and then
it gets into the vaso motors. It gets into sexual health,
(22:20):
but it still doesn't cover a lot of the symptoms
that we've discovered over the years that is actually tied
to estrogen because we have estrogen receptors everywhere in our
bodies and so this is why we get these crazy
symptoms when our estrogen depletes and we can't figure out, well,
why would I have a UTI and have tonitis and
(22:41):
vertigo problems? What's the link there? Right, So it looks
at all these other symptoms that a woman might be
having and she can decide how many symptoms she wants
to explore, and then from there she's paired with a
coach mentor who is a licensed health practitioner who who
is trained in menopause and has a broader scope of
(23:04):
focusing on the lifestyle changes. And then from there it's
an exploration about do you want an end nature ethic doctor,
do you want a nurse practitioner or a physician or
do you want both? And some opt for both, right,
So it's building that team that you need and then
navigating out. So maybe they haven't had a mammogram or
a bone density test or a pelvic floor exam, because
(23:27):
a lot of us haven't been getting those either, So
it's all of those things coupled together. And then the
plan continues and some women we navigate back to their
GP because they just kind of needed that baseline of
information and where they're at, and they'll go back and
have the conversation to explore with their GP, or they
(23:47):
stay with us. It's really everyone is different what happens.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
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Speaker 2 (24:27):
In terms of using some of the tools to be
able to get those assessments. Like you and I sat
at we moderated a talk we're part of a panel sorry,
back in the spring, and one of the things that
really caught my eye was sound a living leveraging AI
(24:50):
and how we could be using using AI as a
tool to be more efficient and to provide optimal care.
So I want if you can speak a little bit
about your experience there.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Yeah, So we have a virtual health assistant called Santo,
So that's the AI assistant. And I actually was listening
to some of your past podcasts and you had our
deal Piper on and she mentioned how you know, this
is menopause is not a fifteen minute consult in the clinic,
(25:24):
right like it there is this steep learning curve. There's
this you know, the listening and the need to get
to know the person. And so we leverage Sano for
that portion. So a woman can come on and ask
it any question and it really intimate stuff because there's
no judgment. It's a machine, and we find that, you know,
(25:48):
they can some of the craziest questions come out of it.
But so it's a great place to learn. And where
we're headed though, is that we really want to link
it to our EMR and to wearables so that it
can really become more of an assistant. So I envision
a day and this. I keep telling my team this.
(26:08):
I think I say it at least once a week.
I want it to be able to if a woman's
having a hot you know, night sweat, and then let's say,
her ring senses that's she's having this temperature gage and
then it senses, oh, she's awake, and so then it'll
ask her. You know, Angela, I notice you're having this
(26:31):
intensive hot flash that you know. Now you're awake. You
have that meditation breathing exercise that you like so much.
Would you like me to play it for you instead
of me having to turn on my light, you know,
stick my phone in my face, find the meditation and
breathing exercise. It's all there, and before I know it,
(26:52):
I'm back to sleep and the you know, the whole
hot flash and night sweat is finished. So this is
where I want to get to, where AI is it
really becomes a true fledged assistant. You know it it's
got insights, it's got knowledge, and it pairs it all
together and it knows you with the personalization that that's
(27:13):
what works for you, and I know when you needed
to work for you. That is a personalized assistant.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Oh my god. So we mentioned this in the intro,
but Angela is doing a presentation at our Innovation Day
or Lionhearted Innovation Day, talking about how AI can really
improve physician wellness, but in this specific in this specific
example which indirectly affects physician wellness we'll talk about in
(27:43):
a second, but damn straight, this is where we should
be going, like that connection with leveraging AI and and
all this technology to have that personalized approach and give
that feedback. You know, it's just it's just the tech
is coming. It's obviously it's things are always perfect at
(28:05):
this stage. But I love the vision. I love the
vision of using all the stuff that we're doing already. Well,
I mean, I don't know about you, if you're an
oral person or an Apple Watch person. We're all wearing
these devices, we all have our phones. It'd be nice
to have that that kind of push or kind nudge
to say you might benefit from this, yeah, and and
(28:28):
and opt and just allow yourself to be more optimized
because I do know I I don't see how this
isn't coming. And I love the fact that you yourself
are pushing this within your team because I have no
doubts that you're going to get there.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
We're definitely gonna get there because I'm not going to
stop beating my drama about it.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Absolutely, and and Angela, this kind of ties honestly to
the clinician wellness. So I kind of, as I mentioned before,
I kind of stumbled into this area one through seeing
my wife going through her experience, but then opening up
(29:12):
my eyes to what many of our staff are going through.
And number one, for sure, this would be so beneficial
to so many of our women that are going through
this stage of life. But also that whole principle of
having that personalized approach and feedback using AI as a
healthcare provider, to me, it would be so valuable. Like
(29:35):
I'm wondering if you could comment on where you see
or how you see that benefiting the clinician.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Well, you know, clinicians, they run busy practices and unfortunately
in Canada in particular right our provincial health codes for
billing codes don't support physicians to be able to really
do the proactive care that they I think signed up
(30:03):
for when they became doctors. Like when they really wanted
to become a doctor, it wasn't I want to be
able to spend five minutes with my patient, And then
I've got another fifty waiting in the waiting room and
they're having a mental health moment or a moment that
needs you know, an hour consultation, not five minutes. And unfortunately,
(30:25):
you know the more AI like, we have great tools,
and we will never replace the personal nature that a
doctor and a patient's relationship has. But I think we
can streamline the administration. We can streamline the process of
helping women get educated. Like we're talking about menopause, so
you know, women can come in be self assessed, right,
(30:49):
So they come in with a paper that says, well,
this is where I'm at, My symptoms seem to be,
you know, suggesting that it's menopause related. And now I'm equipped,
I understand the language, I understand the terms. I'm more
educated that conversation that you know would have taken an
hour can maybe take fifteen minutes right in the billing
(31:12):
code that we've got, and so it can also the
next layer I want to get to is clinical decisions
support tools. So I'm an XIBM er and IBM was
in AI thirty years ago. Like with the memorials Loan Kettering,
we were doing clinical decisions support tools for breast cancer,
lung cancer, right, and it was AI. You basically map
(31:37):
the processes, you've built the algorithms, and then you train
it based on clinical research studies. And you know clinicians
that are maybe not in a dedicated cancer center like
memorials Loan Kettering that is a full research, dedicated, large
conglomerate momuth of a hospital. You know those people, well,
(32:00):
even they can't read all the research that's coming out
right and stay current, whereas a machine can. And if
you can teach it on the latest and greatest, and
then it iteratively learns and improves and you can drill
into well wait a minute, I don't trust that answer.
I'm not prescribing what you're suggesting until I find out
(32:21):
the real source. Right. That's where I want to get
to with, you know, helping clinicians equip them with having
the confidence to treat menopausal women, because unfortunately, at university,
in med school and in residence, they only got a
fraction of a few hours on what menopause is, let
alone how to treat it. And then we have, you
(32:43):
know the fact that we've got the Women's Health Institute
study that was in two thousand and two, and you
know we have a mammoth press conference about how it
causes cancer and blood clots. But you know, since then,
we've had multiple iterations of the Women's Health Institute report.
(33:04):
You know what, we're calling back those findings. We've re
looked at the data we've been following women out of
that study and we realize, oh, we got the interpretation
all wrong. No press conferences about that. So we have
clinicians still believe in that it causes cancer because they
just said, I'm not touching that with attend to football.
And so what we need is tools like this to
(33:28):
help us quickly get there and you know, make up
for lost time. I believe this.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
You I couldn't agree more because the lag behind us
as clinicians and physicians being more tuned with the latest
and greatest data, there's always a lag not only about
the awareness but also the change in practice. So to
have that nudge AI to be able to have that
(33:58):
nudge to say, hey, this is this is an evidence
based approach that we would suggest as a decision as
a decision tool would be luscious. And I just think,
I just think it's one of those things that we
shouldn't be waiting for med school to catch up on,
because this, honestly from my humble experience, that's that's a
(34:23):
decade away. It really is a decade away. And so yeah,
leverage the tools that we have in front of us,
and I love it. Decision support efficiency at as as
they're seeing a clinician because they have an educated, educated
patient that can more readily describe their symptoms and have
(34:45):
a report on your desk. This is not only a
roadmap for, to be honest with you, for perimenopause and menopause,
but this is a roadmap for.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Every type of condition out there. Yeah, for sure, for sure,
But can you imagine us as a clinician if you
had such a tool, how you could then transfer that
time towards bonding and having a human connection and conversation
with your patient, Like you really are able to get
(35:16):
back to the grassroots of why you got into medicine
in the first place, right having those supporting admind tools
to get that all for you, right, I just I
think it's exactly. I really believe we can't look at AI,
especially in medicine, as replacing clinicians because we are so
(35:38):
desperate to have them, we have so few that the
tools that are coming will just empower them to be
so much more effective and so better.
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It's a great way to put it, and I do
think there's a lot of physicians that see it as
a threat. And to me, it's like you said, you
have more time to do the things that you got
into medicine for. Like I don't want to fill out
(36:38):
a form ABC. I would rather hold your hand and
walk you through a tough discussion or just really get
to know you better and what your fears and what
your your values are and help you navigate your healthcare journey. Yeah,
(36:59):
and then to fill out all these forms into like
I mean, I don't know about you I hate it
when I'm I'm just given having to talk about some
of my my health issues and the doc is just
staring at the screen, typing away or whatever, like you
know what I mean. Yeah, I've had nine bounts of diarrhea,
(37:23):
like you know, like it just it feels so impersonal,
like I don't know, I I just like, look look
at my face. Okay just for a second.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Yeah yeah, back turned to you and padded away on
the keyboard.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yes, yeah, yeah, No, I'm I'm all about this. So
so Angela, just to be clear for folks too, can
anybody tap into Santo Living? Do you need a referral? Like,
I just want to make sure that people, because they're Gooda,
You're gonna after this. I'm gonna say it wholeheartedly and
(37:58):
with confidence. There's going to be an influx of people
going to this website and checking this out. Our most
popular episodes in the last year. I've definitely been on
this issue.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
So so how do people tap in?
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Yes, anybody can come to us. We were initially just
focused on business to business where you know, I was
really about every woman should have access to something like
this in their workplace, benefits today, fifty percent of employees
you know, are women, but we have benefits that are
really male, you know, generic. But we have unique health
(38:36):
needs and we need unique health solutions for us, and
that we don't need accommodations at work. What we want
are just solutions that we can go get access to
care we need so we can go on to live
the lives we designed, which includes at our peak earning
years being you know, working at our best, so that
we can bank as much for our retirements just like
(38:58):
anybody else. And so what we did recently though, as
we opened it up to the public as well. So
just because you don't have it in your benefits of
work yet, you can get access to us and you
can use your health spending account, your wellness account to
cover the cost of it.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Amazing. So just to be clear, folks, you don't have
to It's no longer just b to be. You could
just tap into sign a Living and tap into the
excellent service and teams and navigation and tools and edumacation
that Angela and our team are providing. And I gotta say,
(39:39):
there's nothing like this in this country. This why I
was hyped behind this guys.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Yeah, and We're in every province and in both French
and English, so if it doesn't matter where you are,
you have access to it. And the thing to find
it is it's called Sanomidlife dot com. That's all you
got to type in is SAMO and then mid and
then life dot com and you'll find us.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Listen, I got like there is in this country nothing
like this, and this is why on this show we
bring change makers were talking about Boogie changing, changing the
landscape of healthcare within our country. This is what Angela
(40:24):
and her crew are doing. Guys, so check out the website,
get behind, pass this along to any friend, family member
that you think it would be experiencing perimenopause or menopause,
and let's support each other and even the guys. I'm
(40:45):
telling you you will be so greatful. I don't lie.
You'll be so grateful when Mama Bear is feeling better.
And this is the total game changer. Anything else we've
(41:05):
left out, Angela anywhere, anything else you want to pump up?
Speaker 5 (41:10):
You know, I think one of the things I see
a lot on social media, and maybe we can go
there for a minute is you know there's the feedback
about well, why is menopause having such a moment, like,
you know, women have been having menopause for the last
you know, sensusception. So what's the big deal now, Like,
you know, are women just you know, becoming whiny complaining
(41:30):
things or is there something different? And I think what
is important to recognize is that, you know, up until
twenty years ago, women were able to access medications and
go to their doctor and get access to care. It
was it was very prominent. They didn't talk about it,
(41:51):
but they could go to the doctor and get access
to care. You know, more than half the population of
women were on HRT in some countries eighty percent. But
that Women's Health Institute study put the fear of God
into everyone when the press conference happened. And you know,
so we've had two decades of women that haven't had
(42:12):
access to such care. And that's what's happened, is that
And we're in the workplace and you know, we also
have social media and we're able to communicate more quickly,
more timely, and so women are sharing their stories about
how they're being left behind and dismissed and they're saying,
but why do I feel like this? And my mother
(42:33):
didn't and this is where you know, we're finally having
a moment and where we're talking about trying to claw
back two twenty years of lost opportunity for a lot
of women. And I feel terrible for those women that
you know, they really suffered in silence for a long time.
So yeah, I just I'd like to make sure we
(42:56):
talk about that.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Well, let me just just throw down for a second.
Why the hell is it a problem for people to
see or a movement developed, whatever you want to call
it for when there's been an injustice and people are
feeling there's a movement so people could be more functional
and feeling better. There's women that were put on antidepressants.
(43:18):
There are women that were retiring early from their profession
because of their symptoms in it. And I'll give examples
in my world in the intensive care unit you would
have and especially when we're in a time of crisis,
we're better now who in terms of HR you have
these women that are super knowledgeable, have this experience and
(43:42):
they're out of your workforce when a bunch of youth
are coming in because of their symptoms, like, this is
not justice, This is not right, This is not good
for anybody, period. You know what I mean, so if
you want to have a movement, I'm saying own it
is whining about this. I don't know what you're whining about,
(44:03):
Like there's nothing to whine about, like people feeling better
and getting some attention because of the lack of awareness.
Like it's to me, there's still like even I still
talk to many co workers now and they're still behind
the times. I just got message the other day saying like, oh,
going to get cancer if I start HRT just like
(44:24):
the old WHI kind of movement, press conference movement and
so like not to get to uh getting on a
whatever the term is, soapbox or whatever, but scream from
the fences. This is, to me, is a stupid argument
of people are whining about this, like keep shining, Angela
(44:46):
and social media keep shining.
Speaker 5 (44:48):
Absolutely, yeah, I do believe you're absolutely right in that,
you know, women are leaving the workforce unnecessarily because they're
just not getting access to the care. And that was
exactly what you know was driven behind my approach was
that I want to get into workplace benefits so women
can get the care they need. But you know, one
in ten and this is consistent in you know the
(45:12):
third world countries that have been doing assessments, one in
ten leave the workforce due to their menopausal symptoms and
so and then there's seventy five percent that just have
daily disruptive symptoms and so that you know, they're not
functioning at their best. And the last thing they want is,
you know, an accommodation and said, well, we've got a
package for you to go on disability leave that that
(45:34):
isn't what they want. They just want to feel better
so that they can forge on with the career that
they had designed for themselves. Because this is you know,
our prime time to earn our dollars too, and we
have career aspirations, you know, we're not we want to
part of being fulfilled as a human is contributing and
being part of a greater, greater event and to be
(45:58):
fully fulfilled that means work for a lot of women,
right and so yeah, it's just it's about time that
we fix it.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah. Purpose, there is a lot of the people that
are working in our environment. This is their purpose to
serve and to be present for that and to teach
and to provide the next generation with the tools to
be able to do their best work. And so yes,
absolutely we should be addressing this full on. And I
(46:27):
gotta say, Angela, you've been a champ. You've been a
champ to not only like I said, you walk the walk,
the talk, talk the walk, sorr. I mix my metaphors
all the time, run the marathon while talking. But it's
it's just nice to see not only the advocacy, but
(46:49):
it's it's nice to cease a company provide tools to
be able to fix the problem. And you're not seeing
much of this in our country. And this is why
I think you know, we're about five years deep in
this up in this podcast, folks, And I don't know
(47:09):
if you've heard me pump up someone's tires like this,
but it really, it really is something pretty spectacular what
Angela is doing. So I really appreciate you coming on
the show.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
Oh I appreciate you having us because you know, the
more we can get the message out, the better.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
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(48:09):
bit more jumping your step after that episode. Thanks for listening,
Talk real soon. Peace.
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