February 20, 2025 • 53 mins
In this episode of Prevention Over Prescription with Dr. K, Greg Scheinman joins us to explore the power of midlife transformation. Greg shares insights on making better choices, building community, and creating a purposeful life. He introduces the 'Six F’s'—Family, Fitness, Finance, Food, Fashion, and Fun—as key pillars for success and fulfillment. The conversation highlights how small daily decisions, support systems, and personal growth strategies can help men in their 40s and 50s navigate midlife with confidence and motivation.
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going to motivate you to be a better human being.
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It's all good things with Greg Shineman. Welcome to the podcast,
my friend.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Oh, thank you, it's great to be here. I really
appreciate it and it's good. It's good to see you.
I like the hoodie too. Home and see it there
it is.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
There it is, yes, thank you for that. So, as
you heard in the intro, guys, Greg and I met
at you Daimonier. He's got an amazing initiative called the
Midlife Male, and it's convinced me to be a better
human being and healthier and seek out community. But I think, Greg,
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maybe we can start off with what led you here?
What led you to launch the Midlife Mail, because when
you told me your story, I was compelled to as well,
and I think our audience would benefit to hear it
directly from the horse.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Well, I appreciate it, and I'll just take it back
even when we met, and then I'll kind of give
you the backstory on it. I think we attract and
repel exactly what we deserve. And when I walked into
that room at you Pneumonia for the panel that you
were sitting on, it was like, Okay, my eyes just
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kind of made a beeline for all Right, who's the
dude in the really good suit? Okay, who's got a
shit together? Who's making really good points? You know, there
was there was a presence, and you have this presence,
and then there was an articulation and the messaging that
was out there, and I say, you know, that's what
I tend to gravitate towards. And when it was over,
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I walked right up to you and I was like, okay,
I got introduced myself. I want to meet this guy.
Who is this guy you know that looks like he's
maximizing middle age? And where I'm going with this is
to your question. I wasn't doing that for a long time.
I wasn't attracting that kind of individual in my life.
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I was getting what I deserved. I was repelling a
lot of quite frankly greater individuals, and I was attracting
what I deserved. And I wasn't living a really great life.
You know, from the outside looking in, it looked it
looked great, but I knew, you know, it didn't really
feel great.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And was feeling great, Like well, when you were saying
you were attracting, not optimizing, what was happening.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So I found myself. I was in my forties, and
I was in my forties forty seven really to be exact,
which was the same age as when my father passed away.
I was married with two kids. I had a big career,
but I was drinking and I was going out at
night and I wasn't taking great care of myself, and
I was burning the candle at both ends, and I
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was doing a lot of the stuff that I thought
I needed to do or should do. And you're chasing
salary and title and kind of cutting corners in some places,
making excuses in other places, looking for the shortcut in
those other areas, and all this perpetual motion is going on,
you know, while you're looking the part, dressing the part,
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playing the part, making the money and doing this, and
it was off, and it was there at forty seven,
really was when I said, Okay, I can either squander
the opportunities that I have in front of me, or
I can really start making the most of my life
and making some changes, saying, Okay, are these really Are
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these really the kind of clients I want? Are these
really the kind of people I want to be spending
my time with. Do I want to be in bars
when I could be in gyms? Do I want to
be out late when I could be waking up early?
Do I want to be missing the shit that my
kids are, that my kids are doing in their games,
we're staying late, you know? At the office. It was
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just a series of quite frankly mediocre choices over and
over again under the auspice of success and prosperity, and
this is what we're supposed to be doing as a
man and all these other things. And I just decided,
you know, that day at forty seven, it was my
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ten year anniversary with my firm. Again, I was the
same age now as when my father died. It's like,
you know what, I'm going to make some changes and
I'm going to start acting differently and acting better and
doing things that I feel can make me happier and
healthier and ultimately wealthier and stronger. And what would happen
if I do that? What kind of people would I attract?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Then?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
What kind of life would I have? Then? And that's
really what it was. And that's what's gotten me to
places like you, Pneumonia, where we've met, That's what's gotten
me to the top of different mountains. That's what's gotten
me at fifty two now, from forty seven to fifty two,
really kind of redefining what success looks like in middle age.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Incredible, because I think you're What attracted me to you,
Greg is that obviously you walk the walk, which is
number one. But I can see a gig a ton
of males finding this like finding so much truth in
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what you're saying and looking for lack of a better word, salvation.
I see it every day and guys our age likes
it's I don't want to say epidemic. It's it's too
strong of a word. But you see it. You see
guys that don't look like they have purpose. They got
their dad boughds, they're just going from A to B.
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You don't see any jump in their step. They're just
grinding because for the sake of grinding, and they lack
the purpose. So I don't know, Greg, I just really
felt like you're one of the few guys that saw
the issue and decide to do something about it.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Well, I think you now that with that, and I
think it's it's seeing and identifying an issue we're feeling,
if you will, and maybe it's not something you can
exactly put your finger on, but you know something feels off,
and then it's making that conscious choice to do something
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about it. And I think you know, yes, we can
use words like salvation, we can use these big words
and breakthroughs and purpose, but here's something I also want
to point out. A lot of times those words that
big leap, that big breakthrough, that thing, it seems it
seems far away, It seems almost impossible. How am I
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going to go from here to salvation? How am I
going to go from here to the big breakthrough? How
am I going to go from the dadbod that you described?
You know, now I'm thirty pounds overweight, I'm in this
kind of lifestyle and routine. How am I going to
tighten it up again? And look like you? Like? There's
a lot of white space between where guys are and
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even where I was and where we want to go.
And I think what's really really important is to is
to try to master the middle, not to try to
see all that space is impossible, but rather see it
as possible. Look at other men that are doing it,
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they exist, Just look around and be observant, and then
really think about this is what I tried to do.
It's possible, It's not impossible. There are healthy men out
there in their forties and fifties and sixties. There are
good husbands, good fathers, good providers, good examples, good influences.
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There are great books to read, there are great gyms
to go. All of this is possible. I think the
issue is how do we make it probable? How do
we go from the why? I know why you want
to be a better dad, why you want to be
in better shape? But how do we go from the
why to the how? And that's really I think what
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struck a chord with Midlife Mail and with our readers
and with our subscribers and with our community members because
it's relatable and it's credible, and yes it's also aspirational,
but we got to keep it simple. We got to
make it about today and then tomorrow and then the
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next day. Because it really is that that notion that
the progress is a process, and that if we think
about the outcome and we think about the breakthrough, that's
what we need the motivation for. It's really the opposite,
you know, it's really it's really the actions you take
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in the choices that you make each day. That's what
gives you the momentum, That's what gives you the confidence. Ultimately,
that's what motivates you, not this perceived outcome that seems
so far away. But how can we make it today
and tomorrow? And I'll just say what I have learned
now in hundreds of interviews with some of the highest
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performing middle age in the world. You know, my own
research in that regard is when you simply make the
better choice the majority of the time, the majority of
your life gets better. And those are very basic, very
simple choices. You can swap a soda for water. You
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can kiss your wife good morning instead of rolling out
of bed and ignoring or taking her for granted. You
can opt to leave the office an hour earlier to
make it to your kid's game. You can choose to
go for a walk or take the stairs instead of
the elevator. You know, you can make these simple, very
basic choices in family, fitness, finance, food, I do it
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in fashions and fun. You know what I call the
six f's. If you can make better choices categorically, it's
amazing what stacks be.
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Hey, you're listening to Prevent your Noble Prescription with Doctor
Kate featuring Greg Shot. We're going to get into the
six f's Greg. But how'd you get here? Like? How
did you get here? Was it?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Was it the interviews? Was it?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Was it journaling? Was it coaching? Like? Where did you
get to? How did you get to the place where
you you have the approach? Because it's not intuitive to say, well,
I mean, I guess maybe when you say it out loud,
make better choices, your life will be better. But it's
in some ways it's not also that intuitive. It's it's
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the idea that these little little choices on the regular
one percent better every day, Like all those those little
things are getting you home. But how did you get
to the place where you you had this realization?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
The first thing was I realized I couldn't do it alone.
That I'd spent a lot of years trying to push
the boulder uphill all by myself, thinking that I had
to have all the answers, that I didn't have a
mentor around, I didn't have the father figure around, that
entrepreneurship was lonely. All these things where you're supposed to
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do it is as a man on your own, not
come home. And I didn't really talk to my wife
about this stuff. I didn't want to burden my kids,
didn't want to burden the people that I worked with
because I was technically, you know, as an entrepreneur and
a lot of my business ventures the boss. So I
didn't want to pass down what I was feeling, you know,
downstream in a way, and that wasn't working. And after
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a lot of years of the hustle and the grind
and the thinking you have to do it alone and
again making poor choices the majority of the time, you
kind of get to a breaking point. Just like you
can get one percent better every day by making the
better choice, you can get one percent worse. You know,
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there's this theory, I can't remember what it's called about,
like a navigation. They use it with like boats and
with planes that like, you set the course, but if
you deviate the course by one degree, if you course
correct quickly, you're not going to notice. You get right
back on. But if you stay one degree off course
for hours, for days, for weeks, for months, for years,
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what happens? You end up way off course? From what
your original destination was, your intended destination. And that's really
what was happening to me. And it was after a
long period of time of not course correcting and realizing
that what I was doing wasn't working. It begged the question,
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well what if I did the opposite? What if I
did something different? Because if what I'm doing is not working, well,
what would the opposite look like? And how would I
look at that? Categorically, so chasing success and chasing salary
and title was not working from a purpose standpoint, from
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a fulfillment standpoint, Well what does success really look like?
To me? What's really important? And that started me on
the path. And I'll tell you this one. I don't
know if I share this anywhere else. Before a very
very egotistical, selfish path under the auspice of selflessness and
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getting help. I didn't know how to ask for help.
I think a lot of guys struggle with this. Never
been to therapy, didn't want to go to therapy, didn't
want to join a mastermind, didn't want to sit in
a circle and talk about my drinking or my emotions
or anything else and show real vulnerability. So that's when
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I launched the podcast. I said, let me just start
a podcast, because then I'm an authority figure. Then I'm
obligated to ask these questions. Now I'm doing it out
of service and generosity for other men and who have
questions like this, But what I was really doing is
doing it for me. These are the questions that I had,
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the insecurities that I had, the challenges that I was
dealing with, and I just wanted to ask smarter guys
how they saw it, what their perspective was. So I
just brought a microphone and then guys opened up and
they liked talking about themselves and sharing their experiences, and
they were very generous and selfless. And from there that's
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when I started to develop how I was going to
operate what ill the ACE principle. I could aggregate from
what all of these guys were telling me, but then
I was able to curate it down by trial and
error of what was going to what was working for me,
and what wasn't, and then I would just eliminate the
shit that wasn't working. So I would get a fitness
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expert and a health expert on and they would talk
to me about what was working for them in fitness
and health and I would try it. I'd get ten
of them on test and retest. You know, I didn't
like wearing suits and ties, and I fell in and
I would get a fashion in a style you know
expert a couple of these guys and you know, you
could try it this way and that. So there were
all these different tools and tactics and strategies and tips
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and experiences that were being shared with me that I
just started to apply and I had fun with it.
And I wasn't having fun for a long time, and
this was fun. And I started writing about what was happening.
This work, this didn't work, like this, didn't like this,
grow a beard, shave a beard, put on a motorcycled jacket,
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put on a suit, jet like all the And that
became the newsletter, and the combination of the podcast conversations
and newsletter is really what became the book. And that's
when guys were like, oh, okay, this is interesting. And
then they started calling and asked if I would coach
them and work with them. And then that developed the
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coaching program and opportunities to speak and cover events like
you pneumonia and build a community. And I think we're
just getting started. All of us right now are just
we're still just getting started, and that's energizing and empowering.
And now it really is about how many men can
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we serve? How many men can we help? I want
as much company as possible here and then where we're
all going.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Do you feel in a similar way that a lot
of a lot of guys need this? Do you feel
like a lot of guys are seeking that that like
finding their edge again, finding their purpose and fulfillment. Are you?
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Are you like, what's the let me rephrase, what's the
response been like since you've been on this journey, when
you've been able to help other guys?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
A few things? You know, when I say you're going
to you attract and repel exactly what you deserve. Certainly
I felt a lot of criticism, a lot of I
think resentment. There's there's been some along the way. Who
does he think he is? I mean, when when you
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make change, or when you opt to make change, it's
going to trigger some people that are ready for or
that maybe don't want to make the changes themselves or
take the same look up in the mirror, or maybe
they want to and they feel they can't, or they
don't there. So there's been certainly some of that I've
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lost friends over this, or I've made new ones, you know,
other things in there too, But overwhelmingly the response has
been positive. And how do I know that? I know
that one because I feel better every day. The relationships
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that I have in my life now are more aligned
with who I really am and how I want to
live my life than at any other previous time, more genuine,
more authentic, if you will, more connected and like minded
in that regard. The newsletter continues to grow, the referrals
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continue to grow on there, the community grows, and I
think here's the thing. I don't know how many men
need this. I don't know how many men want this,
but I know there's fifty three million middle aged men
in the United States alone. I know that midlife is
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typically synonymous with crisis and a period of uncertainty and
mediocrity and a feeling that our best days are behind us,
not in front of us. So I think what that
also does is that creates opportunity. I think there's a
percentage of the population out there that wants to flip
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the switch on that it doesn't want to just accept
that conformity, complacency, redundancy, that this is just the way
it's going to be. And I think whether that number
is one percent of fifty three million, ten percent, one hundred,
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question is you know who's going to take action on it.
I think that we have an opportunity with what we're
building and continue to build at midlife mail to be
there for them and meet guys where they are and
when they're ready. And I think you live and lead
by example, and that that's enough.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
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Speaker 2 (24:48):
All right, we are back on Prevention over Scripture with
a special guests Greg. These are all good points, Greig.
I mean, at a personal level, my thing is like
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I'm feeling some urgency, Like I'm feeling the urgency to
make those aspirations, those dreams happen, your purpose happened. And
I mean I'm not a very patient dude by nature,
but I think it's the challenge for me is to
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try and have that balance not over overdo some of
the five fs that we're talking or success fs that
we'll talk about, but just yeah, temperate because to a
certain degree, because yeah, there's just that urgency. We're not
getting any younger. We had just recently had a friend
of ours and that dad's on the hockey team or
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my son's hockey team pass away, and it was just
like that minder, like this is like life can change
on a dime, and so they're to me not to
one of the things for sure, that that urgency.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I think it's twofold. I think I think it's important
to operate with the sense of urgency and a sense
of purpose. I also think that's slow as smooth and
smooth as fast. You know that we have to take
we have to stop and take a beat and think
about what race we're running and what our rhythm and
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what our cadence should be that works for us. If
you can run a six minute mile for the marathon,
kudos to you. You're going to finish it a certain time.
If you can run a nine minute mile and you
finish it, you're still going to finish and you're going
to get there not as quickly, but you're going to
get there. But if you're a nine minute guy and
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you try to run it at six what's going to happen?
You're going to blow a wheel? And so I think
a lot of this is about rhythm and cadence and
what I like to say, purpose, process and ultimately pay
off and every one of us it can have a
different and very personal map midlife action plan, and I
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think we hit different seasons too. You might have an
emphasis on a professional season. Hey, this is what I
want to accomplish professional, or build this different kind of
business or see these kinds of patients so that demands prioritization.
We may then enter a season of physicality where I
want to emphasize more of my health and sustainability and longevity.
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We're entering a season in my house where we're going
to be empty nesters next year. You know, you have
younger children. My boys are twenty one and eighteen, you know,
so my wife and I are going to enter a
whole nother season. And yeah, there's a sense of urgency
to your point, but there's also a sense that we
also believe, like in our case too, that are you know,
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fifties through seventies are going to be really amazing years,
and that if the middle is the sweet spot, and
we're doing a lot of these things, right, taking care
of ourselves and exercising and eating well and getting our
blood work done and you know, not majoring in the
minors and diving down deep biohacking wells. But really again,
you know, healthy, sustainable, longevity based living that fits our lifestyle.
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Then we got a lot of runway ahead. So I
think there's always that combination, that delta between a sense
of urgency and what race you're running, you know. And
I come back to it, I said earlier, what does
mass during the middle really look like? And we're all
we're all different. But that's where this concept comes in,
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yew of what you call it diagnoses or triaging, you know,
maybe in medicine, where it's like, hey, that's what we're
doing about our lives too, And that's what really kind
of gasses me up with these guys. It's like, Hey,
knowing what's important is what's most important. Let's talk about
what that looks like. If you don't know where you're going,
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you're never going to get there. What does your map
look like if you're not aggregating, curating, eliminating, how do
you know what you keep and what you eliminate, you know,
and just is this stuff showing up on your calendar?
Are you being kind to yourself at the same time?
And the people around you?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Like?
Speaker 3 (29:30):
This stuff to me is really interesting to get into.
And we talk about it, you know, with regards to
our businesses all the time as men, KPIs, projections, quarterly reports,
planning reviews, all this stuff. But if I ask most
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guys like, where's show me the plan for your life?
They don't have one. They can pull out all kinds
of other spreadsheets. They could tell me what they're responsible
for at work and tell me when their next review is,
what came up in the last review, all these things.
But when I ask, you know, where's your life plan
for all this? They don't have that. And I think
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it's really important that we do. We really do write
these documents for ourselves.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
It's is having that purpose. Like everything else that we
got going on in life, you need it having that direction.
I love it. What what tell me more about the
six f's, because this seems to be pretty fundamental to
the approach of the midlight mail.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, I appreciate it. It really comes down to five
rules six f's in one question. You know, I kind
of zig zagged around all three of those. But this
is what my simple brain has been able to derive
over over the years that I can function with. And
the six f's came out of a conversation I had
with a now friend of mine, a guy named Billy Mann,
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who is a songwriter, Grammy Award winning songwriter. He works
with Pink and John Legend and some amazing artists. And
he was telling me this story about chasing the hit life.
I'm sorry, chasing the hit song.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I'll get it right.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
How he was always chasing the hit song as a songwriter,
as a producer, as an artist, thinking that when you
write the hit song like you've made it, you know,
life will be complete. And then he wrote a hit song,
nothing really changed, you know, except there's pressure to write
another hit song and to keep it up and expand
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and all that. And he got to this place where
he felt, I don't think I've got this right. I
fumble it a little bit, but he's like, you know
what if I chase the hit life, not the hit song,
what would that look and feel like? And when he
was telling me this, it was eerily similar to my
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chase of salary and title, and what I thought would
make me a productive and happy, successful man. And I
had it making really good money, had a really good title,
had all these things and all this stuff, and it
wasn't It wasn't a hit life. So I wrote down
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on one side of the paper again salary and title,
and then drove lying in the middle of the page.
On the other side, I started writing down things were
actually really important to me, and it was family it
was number one, and then it was fitness, which is
really health, you know at the time. I wrote down
your family, and then I wrote down your health, which
(32:46):
became fitness. And then I wrote down money. Yeah, okay,
I want to have enough to do what I want,
when I want, with who I want, the way I want,
But like I don't need a ten thousand square foot house.
There were the money, which became finance. Then I wrote
down food, which was really nutrition. I just wanted to
eat better. I felt better when I did that. Then
(33:09):
I wrote down style because I wasn't happy with the
clothes I was wearing in the way I was putting
myself together and what corporate looked like at that time,
and became fashion. And then I wrote down fun because
I was having what was supposed to be fun, but
I wasn't having much of that. I wasn't enjoying it. Really.
I was going out, but I was drinking and I
was doing it. And I wrote down fun, and ultimately
(33:32):
those things became my six f's more of a holistic
metric for what success and fulfillment and purpose looked like.
Could I be better at those things? And if I could,
would that portfolio be more balanced, be more representative of
the man I was trying to be and wanted to
be an act like that, And that's what became the
(33:54):
six f's, and I started to then develop standards for
each one. What would I do with my family? What
does that look like? If they're most important? So what
do we do? What do our standards look like? Attending
eighty percent of my kids games, spending at least two
months out of the year together, you know, whether we're
(34:14):
traveling or doing things, family dinners, Monday facetimes with our
son who's away. This has grown, it's changed in set,
but ideally, what are the standards for each category? And
once I've got those down, I just like a golden retriever.
I just to throw the ball. I bring it back,
throw the ball, I bring it back. I just had
to open it up and look and follow it each day.
(34:39):
And that's really become the six f's. And that's something
that my fs don't have to be your fs, you
know what I tell my clients and guys all the time.
But you do need to determine again what your portfolio
of success and values and really looks like.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
You know, we cover a lot of attrition, exercise, movement, fitness.
I'm curious to hear your your take on the fund.
I think the family makes sense. Eighty percent or twenty
percent or two months together, you know, eighty percent of
(35:19):
your kids games, that's very tangible. What does the fund
metric look like for you?
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yeah? The cool thing first of all I find about
standards over goals. I'll just say this is, you know,
the standards are the minimum effective dose. We set an
eighty percent standard, I expect to beat it. But if
you set one hundred percent is the standard, you're setting
yourself up for failure, you know. So there's always that
delta of how you set yourself up for success. But
(35:46):
your minimum effective dose is your standard, so that even
if that's the bare minimum, you're in an acceptable place.
We're all on the same page, but we set out
to beat that standard. So I'll just say that about
standards over over goals. And then you know, to your
question about fun, I wavered a lot about that initially
(36:07):
about do I include fun on this list? Does it
sound juvenile?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
You know?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Here? Is this something for middle aged men or something
that I want to kind of hang my hat on
a little bit? And it gets to actually kind of
the most questions because around it, I think a lot
of guys are confused about what they should do for fun,
and what they are doing for fun, and what they
might have been, what they might have been pulled and
(36:35):
drawn into over the years. And a lot of guys
we find have given up their their hobbies as they've
gotten older. And you know, so I look at fun
first of all. Fun is again it's possibility and its
opportunity and its hope. I mean, who doesn't want to
have fun? I have a model. It's like if it's
(36:55):
not fun, that I'm done, Like, what is this all for?
If we're not having any fun? That it doesn't mean
that life is all rainbows and unicorns and that we
don't look work really really hard. But you've got to
have fun in your life, because I think that's really
where the purpose comes from. So for me, a lot
of it has changed. I mean, what I do for fun,
(37:16):
this is what I do for fun. I get to
meet guys like you and have great conversations and learn
and embrace curiosity and go to events like you pneumonia.
You know, now I exercise for fun. I didn't at
first used to feel like a lot of work. Now
it's fun for me to wake up and go see
my friends at a class or at the gym, or
(37:38):
have people over in my garage on Sunday mornings and
try new movements or modalities in there. That's fun for me,
you know. I mean just I'm not particularly you know,
I don'ld say like I'm a big, you know, gun
guy or an army I never grew up, but I
live down in Texas, and now I've kind of gotten
into going shooting with some guys on the range and
(38:00):
doing some tactical stuff and learning from some guys who
are who are in the Seals and Special Forces guys,
and like that's fun. Climbing some mountains that I never
thought were, you know, going to be in my horizon
or in my wheelhouse. So I think those things are
a lot of fun. And I swapped some stuff that
(38:25):
I wasn't really enjoying. You know, I'm not a golfer,
and I'm not a poker player really, and I'm not
a guy who likes to sit still, and I'm not
a drinker anymore.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
And so.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I think it's I think to answer your question directly,
and for anybody out there, it's like, hey, do you
think it's fun? Do you think it's something you want
to try? You think it could be? Well, all I
would offer is is if so, give it a shot,
because I just think the exercise of trying new things
(39:02):
and putting yourself out there that in itself is a
lot of.
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a special guest, Quig Shyman. Just to give some context,
to it for yourself, Greg in terms of you know,
(39:55):
when you're forty seven and you started to use our
focus on the six f's when it came to say
the fitness side or the food side fashion, whichever one
that really comes to mind. First, what levers did you make?
(40:16):
Like what changes did you make that seem to really
make a difference for you in your life?
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, I think, first of all, I think they're all connected.
I think I think they're all connected. And the way
I see it is these things kind of go together
in certain ways. So but what I mean by this,
you start exercise and you start to feel a little
bit differently, maybe it's that good kind of sore. You
start to feel a little bit like okay, a little
(40:44):
bit more energetic. And then maybe over a little time,
it's hard at the beginning and you see the but
you start seeing some progress in yourself. Maybe you didn't
take the picture on day one, in the picture of
yourself on day two, but if you take it on
day one and you keep it up and you take
that picture on day thirty, day sixty, day ninety, you'll
start seeing some changes. So now you're picking up momentum. Well,
(41:05):
what happens. You don't want to waste this, so you
start eating a little bit better. Hey, I'm putting in
this time in the gym. You know, I'm exercising, I'm
working out, maybe I have a trainer, or I'm going
to this CrossFit class, or i might be taking spin
whatever else it is. And I'm excited and you're seeing progress.
So now you start eating a little bit better. Oh okay,
(41:26):
you gravit so like, I'm not going to drink that
soda anymore. I'm not going to waste all this progress
in there. So you start to think about what are
your standards for food and nutrition? Hey, maybe I should
cut down a little bit on the fried foods, cut
down a little bit on the sugars. Maybe I can
have you know, a dessert once a week instead of
every day. Maybe water is taking the place of the
(41:48):
sodas and stuff. So I think it's connected in those regards,
and you know, then you start thinking about the fashion.
What happens is now my pants are a little bit bigger,
you know, my shirts are fitting a little bit differently
because I'm working out a little bit now. And guess what,
I'm eating a little bit better because of that now
I'm sleeping a little bit differently. So now you know,
(42:11):
somehow I managed to get myself up to a thirty
four to thirty five waist that I'm pushing two hundred
and go. You know what, Well, now I'm back. Wait
a minute. The answer isn't to buy bigger pants. Look
at what's happening now, Like the pants are now, my
waist is getting smaller again, So let me go get
some new pants. What kind of pants do I want?
Don't buy new pants when they're getting bigger. Stop, get
(42:33):
the new pants, okay, when they're getting smaller, you know,
or if they're getting bigger. Shirt you need a bigger shirt.
It's for the right reasons, not the other reasons. Point being,
these things are exactly they're connected, you know there.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
So.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
You know, I get I think the cool thing is
you can use that again. That kind of consistency and
that momentum. Exercising leads to good food, eating well to
more exercising. Exercising and good food leads to you wanting
to get a look a little bit better and dress
a little bit better, walk a little bit taller, smile
(43:08):
a little bit more. You know what we put on
our bodies. What we put in our bodies is that
starts to matter. Like that's a really really interesting thing.
And when people start to notice that in you, and
they will they notice, Okay, when you go to the bar,
(43:29):
what you order, they notice, you know, eating, or they
notice that your clothes are fitting a little bit differently,
or that you've got a little bit more kind of
spring in your step. That feels pretty good. And you
want to pay that forward, acknowledge it, pay it forward,
and you also want to continue that. And by the way,
(43:50):
that shows up. Now we get into finance and keep going.
You know what happens, Your performance gets better, you become
more valuable. Tell you what, your bosses notice it. You know,
your colleagues notice it, your clients notice it. You know
it shows up everywhere, your kids notice it. You know,
(44:14):
this touches every touches every area of your life. So
I think we can compartmentalize standards for each area. But
at the end of the day, like we live our
lives in the aggregate, we're all of these things.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
I love it, Greg, So we're coming up against it.
But what's do you have a story in mind when
it comes to a client or somebody you were working
closely with where these principles really made a significant change
(44:49):
in their life.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Absolutely a number of them. Look, I just got back
from New York the other day, and I spent two
days in New York, one each day with a different client.
And what we do is we sat down and we
do these mapping sessions, these full midlife action plans for
the year. So obviously we do them in January. These
(45:13):
have been clients in mine for a little while and
we set the tone for the entire year. But what
we're coming off of, what's really interesting now is now
we're in version kind of like two point one to
two point two because I've been working with these guys
for a little while, and our platform off of the
fact that it's all connected and it's never necessarily one thing.
But with one client in particular, it's a successful individual
(45:36):
in real estate. He's married, he's got young children out there,
and we went in order. First thing was, I mean,
he was burning the candle at both ends for too long.
You know, he's taken the train into the city from Connecticut.
He's working too many hours, he was missing things with
the kids, he was drinking a little bit too much.
(45:56):
Health and fitness had fallen off all of those things.
So I went back the plan, and the first thing
is it starts with yourself, and it starts with health.
So the first thing we did is, and you know that,
we started we started on the science side. First, Hey,
let's get your blood work done. Let's find out what's
going on, you know with you in there. Let's make
(46:16):
sure you're healthy before we start doing you know, before
we start doing anything else that's in there. We got
his blood work done, we got a meeting with a nutritionist,
started some smart supplementation was on there, set some days
in a schedule, and a cadence for him to meet
with a trainer. Went through this thirty sixty ninety days.
(46:37):
Then we developed a plan to wean him off. In
his case, he didn't have to commute to the city
every day, and his offerings so what days are you
going to go to the city, What days are you
going to work from home? In there, you know, we're
writing down what's most important. Do you want to take
your kids to school two days a week, you want
to pick them up two days a week? What are
the options and choices that are available? And then we
(46:59):
started testing and retesting that he ended up losing all
over thirty pounds. He has significantly reduced his drinking to
the point where if he has a drink or to
every couple of months, that's a lot now from drinking
every day. He has developed great relationships and with his trainer,
(47:24):
with his wife, with his business partner by resetting kind
of the framework around there. He took on a challenge
and went to Antigua last year to go to a
high performance event. He had a goal to become a
guest lecturer at the college that he graduated from. He
has now delivered two guest lectures in twenty twenty four
and he's going to lecture there four times in twenty
(47:46):
twenty five. So, I mean we were setting standards, setting goals,
and reverse engineering back to what the standards were that
he needed to operate on in order to make those
goals inevitable. And these are the kind of stories that
that are possible for any guy out there. You can
(48:07):
do it. You can do it through Google, you can
do it through YouTube, you can do it through books,
you can do it through podcasts, you can do it
through working with a coach. You can you just have
to want to do it. And these are the guys
that inspire me when you start seeing the work that
they're putting in, and again you start seeing the possibilities
(48:30):
become probabilities. Now you're living proof. You never thought you
could get up at seven o'clock in the morning. Now
you're up at six. They're chomping at the bit. You
never thought you could get up from your desk at
five o'clock at night and go home. You know, you're
used to coming home at seven, eight nine. You know
everything like, oh my god, the world is going to
(48:52):
blow up. My clients are all going to leave me.
This isn't power. I can't do this. I can't you
know what. It's hard. Change is hard, but again it's possible.
Different borders, different boundaries, different guard rails that are set up.
You know, this is the stuff. I go off on
this because it fires me up. And then you notice
you're around a lot of people like this, and that
(49:16):
keeps you going, that inspires you to keep going.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Well, Greg, you've got you've got me going. Brother, Oh my,
oh my god, listen, this is this has been an
absolute slice because and I just as I mentioned, I
feel like this is what a lot of us need
right now a little bit of a kick in the
on the on the backside to get to get going
(49:42):
and realizing on the other side of this can be
absolute joy and fulfillment. So I really want to commend you,
Greg for the work you're doing here. Where can people
get the book, the podcast, get a hold of your coaching,
all the things.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yeah, absolutely, just go to midlifemail dot com. It's all there.
You can get our newsletter every single Sunday, which you've
been on the cover of our digital magazine and your
interview is incredible, and that's what we want to do.
I want to amplify other guys' messages like your own,
share those stories and perspectives to more guys every week.
So go to midlifemail dot com. You can get our
(50:24):
newsletter every single week. You can join our inner Circle community.
That's less than going out for dinner once you know,
once there in the month, and we're going to bring
you the access and the insights and the network to
these guys up close and personal. That's there, and various
events and retreats and experiences where we think we can
again bring guys into some areas of opportunity and open
(50:47):
up some possibilities for them throughout the year. But you
know that that's what we're trying to trying to do.
And I think we're here that we're all better together.
So we're just building, man, that's what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Greg, You're making some magic, happing you all the change
and it's inspirational. Brother, Thank you so much that I'll.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Leave you with one thought. And for the guys that
are out there, you know, I'm not a doctor like
you and I and I say that with adulation for
what you guys do. Not a doctor. I'm not a scientist,
you know. Really, I'm not an expert in any area.
I'm just a guy like a husband and a dad,
you know, and the guys out there just trying like
all of us to do the best to the best
(51:33):
job he can. And that's what I hope guys really
take away from is that, hey, like, okay, I can
do that.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
I can get the info the info from guys. I
can get the info from guys like you. I can
apply that stuff. That's what I want guys to think about.
It's what you want is out there and you can
do it.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Per y'all could do it. That's why you tune in
and baby, Greg, thanks again for doing this. You're a beast, buddy.
Thank you so much, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
The feeling is mutual. I need a big line on
my chest, you know, like you on there too.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Hey, we'll send you one, no problem there, but.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
We have stuff we can swap back and forth. I
know that we're not going anywhere for sure.
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It's all good things with Greg Shineman. Welcome to the podcast,
my friend.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Oh, thank you, it's great to be here. I really
appreciate it and it's good. It's good to see you.
I like the hoodie too. Home and see it there
it is.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
There it is, yes, thank you for that. So, as
you heard in the intro, guys, Greg and I met
at you Daimonier. He's got an amazing initiative called the
Midlife Male, and it's convinced me to be a better
human being and healthier and seek out community. But I think, Greg,
(04:11):
maybe we can start off with what led you here?
What led you to launch the Midlife Mail, because when
you told me your story, I was compelled to as well,
and I think our audience would benefit to hear it
directly from the horse.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Well, I appreciate it, and I'll just take it back
even when we met, and then I'll kind of give
you the backstory on it. I think we attract and
repel exactly what we deserve. And when I walked into
that room at you Pneumonia for the panel that you
were sitting on, it was like, Okay, my eyes just
(04:50):
kind of made a beeline for all Right, who's the
dude in the really good suit? Okay, who's got a
shit together? Who's making really good points? You know, there
was there was a presence, and you have this presence,
and then there was an articulation and the messaging that
was out there, and I say, you know, that's what
I tend to gravitate towards. And when it was over,
(05:12):
I walked right up to you and I was like, okay,
I got introduced myself. I want to meet this guy.
Who is this guy you know that looks like he's
maximizing middle age? And where I'm going with this is
to your question. I wasn't doing that for a long time.
I wasn't attracting that kind of individual in my life.
(05:36):
I was getting what I deserved. I was repelling a
lot of quite frankly greater individuals, and I was attracting
what I deserved. And I wasn't living a really great life.
You know, from the outside looking in, it looked it
looked great, but I knew, you know, it didn't really
feel great.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And was feeling great, Like well, when you were saying
you were attracting, not optimizing, what was happening.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So I found myself. I was in my forties, and
I was in my forties forty seven really to be exact,
which was the same age as when my father passed away.
I was married with two kids. I had a big career,
but I was drinking and I was going out at
night and I wasn't taking great care of myself, and
I was burning the candle at both ends, and I
(06:28):
was doing a lot of the stuff that I thought
I needed to do or should do. And you're chasing
salary and title and kind of cutting corners in some places,
making excuses in other places, looking for the shortcut in
those other areas, and all this perpetual motion is going on,
you know, while you're looking the part, dressing the part,
(06:50):
playing the part, making the money and doing this, and
it was off, and it was there at forty seven,
really was when I said, Okay, I can either squander
the opportunities that I have in front of me, or
I can really start making the most of my life
and making some changes, saying, Okay, are these really Are
(07:13):
these really the kind of clients I want? Are these
really the kind of people I want to be spending
my time with. Do I want to be in bars
when I could be in gyms? Do I want to
be out late when I could be waking up early?
Do I want to be missing the shit that my
kids are, that my kids are doing in their games,
we're staying late, you know? At the office. It was
(07:33):
just a series of quite frankly mediocre choices over and
over again under the auspice of success and prosperity, and
this is what we're supposed to be doing as a
man and all these other things. And I just decided,
you know, that day at forty seven, it was my
(07:53):
ten year anniversary with my firm. Again, I was the
same age now as when my father died. It's like,
you know what, I'm going to make some changes and
I'm going to start acting differently and acting better and
doing things that I feel can make me happier and
healthier and ultimately wealthier and stronger. And what would happen
if I do that? What kind of people would I attract?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Then?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
What kind of life would I have? Then? And that's
really what it was. And that's what's gotten me to
places like you, Pneumonia, where we've met, That's what's gotten
me to the top of different mountains. That's what's gotten
me at fifty two now, from forty seven to fifty two,
really kind of redefining what success looks like in middle age.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Incredible, because I think you're What attracted me to you,
Greg is that obviously you walk the walk, which is
number one. But I can see a gig a ton
of males finding this like finding so much truth in
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what you're saying and looking for lack of a better word, salvation.
I see it every day and guys our age likes
it's I don't want to say epidemic. It's it's too
strong of a word. But you see it. You see
guys that don't look like they have purpose. They got
their dad boughds, they're just going from A to B.
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You don't see any jump in their step. They're just
grinding because for the sake of grinding, and they lack
the purpose. So I don't know, Greg, I just really
felt like you're one of the few guys that saw
the issue and decide to do something about it.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Well, I think you now that with that, and I
think it's it's seeing and identifying an issue we're feeling,
if you will, and maybe it's not something you can
exactly put your finger on, but you know something feels off,
and then it's making that conscious choice to do something
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about it. And I think you know, yes, we can
use words like salvation, we can use these big words
and breakthroughs and purpose, but here's something I also want
to point out. A lot of times those words that
big leap, that big breakthrough, that thing, it seems it
seems far away, It seems almost impossible. How am I
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going to go from here to salvation? How am I
going to go from here to the big breakthrough? How
am I going to go from the dadbod that you described?
You know, now I'm thirty pounds overweight, I'm in this
kind of lifestyle and routine. How am I going to
tighten it up again? And look like you? Like? There's
a lot of white space between where guys are and
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even where I was and where we want to go.
And I think what's really really important is to is
to try to master the middle, not to try to
see all that space is impossible, but rather see it
as possible. Look at other men that are doing it,
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they exist, Just look around and be observant, and then
really think about this is what I tried to do.
It's possible, It's not impossible. There are healthy men out
there in their forties and fifties and sixties. There are
good husbands, good fathers, good providers, good examples, good influences.
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There are great books to read, there are great gyms
to go. All of this is possible. I think the
issue is how do we make it probable? How do
we go from the why? I know why you want
to be a better dad, why you want to be
in better shape? But how do we go from the
why to the how? And that's really I think what
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struck a chord with Midlife Mail and with our readers
and with our subscribers and with our community members because
it's relatable and it's credible, and yes it's also aspirational,
but we got to keep it simple. We got to
make it about today and then tomorrow and then the
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next day. Because it really is that that notion that
the progress is a process, and that if we think
about the outcome and we think about the breakthrough, that's
what we need the motivation for. It's really the opposite,
you know, it's really it's really the actions you take
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in the choices that you make each day. That's what
gives you the momentum, That's what gives you the confidence. Ultimately,
that's what motivates you, not this perceived outcome that seems
so far away. But how can we make it today
and tomorrow? And I'll just say what I have learned
now in hundreds of interviews with some of the highest
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performing middle age in the world. You know, my own
research in that regard is when you simply make the
better choice the majority of the time, the majority of
your life gets better. And those are very basic, very
simple choices. You can swap a soda for water. You
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can kiss your wife good morning instead of rolling out
of bed and ignoring or taking her for granted. You
can opt to leave the office an hour earlier to
make it to your kid's game. You can choose to
go for a walk or take the stairs instead of
the elevator. You know, you can make these simple, very
basic choices in family, fitness, finance, food, I do it
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in fashions and fun. You know what I call the
six f's. If you can make better choices categorically, it's
amazing what stacks be.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
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Speaker 3 (13:59):
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Speaker 2 (14:17):
Hey, you're listening to Prevent your Noble Prescription with Doctor
Kate featuring Greg Shot. We're going to get into the
six f's Greg. But how'd you get here? Like? How
did you get here? Was it?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Was it the interviews? Was it?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Was it journaling? Was it coaching? Like? Where did you
get to? How did you get to the place where
you you have the approach? Because it's not intuitive to say, well,
I mean, I guess maybe when you say it out loud,
make better choices, your life will be better. But it's
in some ways it's not also that intuitive. It's it's
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the idea that these little little choices on the regular
one percent better every day, Like all those those little
things are getting you home. But how did you get
to the place where you you had this realization?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
The first thing was I realized I couldn't do it alone.
That I'd spent a lot of years trying to push
the boulder uphill all by myself, thinking that I had
to have all the answers, that I didn't have a
mentor around, I didn't have the father figure around, that
entrepreneurship was lonely. All these things where you're supposed to
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do it is as a man on your own, not
come home. And I didn't really talk to my wife
about this stuff. I didn't want to burden my kids,
didn't want to burden the people that I worked with
because I was technically, you know, as an entrepreneur and
a lot of my business ventures the boss. So I
didn't want to pass down what I was feeling, you know,
downstream in a way, and that wasn't working. And after
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a lot of years of the hustle and the grind
and the thinking you have to do it alone and
again making poor choices the majority of the time, you
kind of get to a breaking point. Just like you
can get one percent better every day by making the
better choice, you can get one percent worse. You know,
(16:25):
there's this theory, I can't remember what it's called about,
like a navigation. They use it with like boats and
with planes that like, you set the course, but if
you deviate the course by one degree, if you course
correct quickly, you're not going to notice. You get right
back on. But if you stay one degree off course
for hours, for days, for weeks, for months, for years,
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what happens? You end up way off course? From what
your original destination was, your intended destination. And that's really
what was happening to me. And it was after a
long period of time of not course correcting and realizing
that what I was doing wasn't working. It begged the question,
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well what if I did the opposite? What if I
did something different? Because if what I'm doing is not working, well,
what would the opposite look like? And how would I
look at that? Categorically, so chasing success and chasing salary
and title was not working from a purpose standpoint, from
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a fulfillment standpoint, Well what does success really look like?
To me? What's really important? And that started me on
the path. And I'll tell you this one. I don't
know if I share this anywhere else. Before a very
very egotistical, selfish path under the auspice of selflessness and
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getting help. I didn't know how to ask for help.
I think a lot of guys struggle with this. Never
been to therapy, didn't want to go to therapy, didn't
want to join a mastermind, didn't want to sit in
a circle and talk about my drinking or my emotions
or anything else and show real vulnerability. So that's when
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I launched the podcast. I said, let me just start
a podcast, because then I'm an authority figure. Then I'm
obligated to ask these questions. Now I'm doing it out
of service and generosity for other men and who have
questions like this, But what I was really doing is
doing it for me. These are the questions that I had,
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the insecurities that I had, the challenges that I was
dealing with, and I just wanted to ask smarter guys
how they saw it, what their perspective was. So I
just brought a microphone and then guys opened up and
they liked talking about themselves and sharing their experiences, and
they were very generous and selfless. And from there that's
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when I started to develop how I was going to
operate what ill the ACE principle. I could aggregate from
what all of these guys were telling me, but then
I was able to curate it down by trial and
error of what was going to what was working for me,
and what wasn't, and then I would just eliminate the
shit that wasn't working. So I would get a fitness
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expert and a health expert on and they would talk
to me about what was working for them in fitness
and health and I would try it. I'd get ten
of them on test and retest. You know, I didn't
like wearing suits and ties, and I fell in and
I would get a fashion in a style you know
expert a couple of these guys and you know, you
could try it this way and that. So there were
all these different tools and tactics and strategies and tips
(19:43):
and experiences that were being shared with me that I
just started to apply and I had fun with it.
And I wasn't having fun for a long time, and
this was fun. And I started writing about what was happening.
This work, this didn't work, like this, didn't like this,
grow a beard, shave a beard, put on a motorcycled jacket,
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put on a suit, jet like all the And that
became the newsletter, and the combination of the podcast conversations
and newsletter is really what became the book. And that's
when guys were like, oh, okay, this is interesting. And
then they started calling and asked if I would coach
them and work with them. And then that developed the
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coaching program and opportunities to speak and cover events like
you pneumonia and build a community. And I think we're
just getting started. All of us right now are just
we're still just getting started, and that's energizing and empowering.
And now it really is about how many men can
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we serve? How many men can we help? I want
as much company as possible here and then where we're
all going.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Do you feel in a similar way that a lot
of a lot of guys need this? Do you feel
like a lot of guys are seeking that that like
finding their edge again, finding their purpose and fulfillment. Are you?
(21:20):
Are you like, what's the let me rephrase, what's the
response been like since you've been on this journey, when
you've been able to help other guys?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
A few things? You know, when I say you're going
to you attract and repel exactly what you deserve. Certainly
I felt a lot of criticism, a lot of I
think resentment. There's there's been some along the way. Who
does he think he is? I mean, when when you
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make change, or when you opt to make change, it's
going to trigger some people that are ready for or
that maybe don't want to make the changes themselves or
take the same look up in the mirror, or maybe
they want to and they feel they can't, or they
don't there. So there's been certainly some of that I've
(22:15):
lost friends over this, or I've made new ones, you know,
other things in there too, But overwhelmingly the response has
been positive. And how do I know that? I know
that one because I feel better every day. The relationships
(22:35):
that I have in my life now are more aligned
with who I really am and how I want to
live my life than at any other previous time, more genuine,
more authentic, if you will, more connected and like minded
in that regard. The newsletter continues to grow, the referrals
(22:58):
continue to grow on there, the community grows, and I
think here's the thing. I don't know how many men
need this. I don't know how many men want this,
but I know there's fifty three million middle aged men
in the United States alone. I know that midlife is
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typically synonymous with crisis and a period of uncertainty and
mediocrity and a feeling that our best days are behind us,
not in front of us. So I think what that
also does is that creates opportunity. I think there's a
percentage of the population out there that wants to flip
(23:40):
the switch on that it doesn't want to just accept
that conformity, complacency, redundancy, that this is just the way
it's going to be. And I think whether that number
is one percent of fifty three million, ten percent, one hundred,
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question is you know who's going to take action on it.
I think that we have an opportunity with what we're
building and continue to build at midlife mail to be
there for them and meet guys where they are and
when they're ready. And I think you live and lead
by example, and that that's enough.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
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Speaker 2 (24:48):
All right, we are back on Prevention over Scripture with
a special guests Greg. These are all good points, Greig.
I mean, at a personal level, my thing is like
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I'm feeling some urgency, Like I'm feeling the urgency to
make those aspirations, those dreams happen, your purpose happened. And
I mean I'm not a very patient dude by nature,
but I think it's the challenge for me is to
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try and have that balance not over overdo some of
the five fs that we're talking or success fs that
we'll talk about, but just yeah, temperate because to a
certain degree, because yeah, there's just that urgency. We're not
getting any younger. We had just recently had a friend
of ours and that dad's on the hockey team or
(25:57):
my son's hockey team pass away, and it was just
like that minder, like this is like life can change
on a dime, and so they're to me not to
one of the things for sure, that that urgency.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I think it's twofold. I think I think it's important
to operate with the sense of urgency and a sense
of purpose. I also think that's slow as smooth and
smooth as fast. You know that we have to take
we have to stop and take a beat and think
about what race we're running and what our rhythm and
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what our cadence should be that works for us. If
you can run a six minute mile for the marathon,
kudos to you. You're going to finish it a certain time.
If you can run a nine minute mile and you
finish it, you're still going to finish and you're going
to get there not as quickly, but you're going to
get there. But if you're a nine minute guy and
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you try to run it at six what's going to happen?
You're going to blow a wheel? And so I think
a lot of this is about rhythm and cadence and
what I like to say, purpose, process and ultimately pay
off and every one of us it can have a
different and very personal map midlife action plan, and I
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think we hit different seasons too. You might have an
emphasis on a professional season. Hey, this is what I
want to accomplish professional, or build this different kind of
business or see these kinds of patients so that demands prioritization.
We may then enter a season of physicality where I
want to emphasize more of my health and sustainability and longevity.
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We're entering a season in my house where we're going
to be empty nesters next year. You know, you have
younger children. My boys are twenty one and eighteen, you know,
so my wife and I are going to enter a
whole nother season. And yeah, there's a sense of urgency
to your point, but there's also a sense that we
also believe, like in our case too, that are you know,
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fifties through seventies are going to be really amazing years,
and that if the middle is the sweet spot, and
we're doing a lot of these things, right, taking care
of ourselves and exercising and eating well and getting our
blood work done and you know, not majoring in the
minors and diving down deep biohacking wells. But really again,
you know, healthy, sustainable, longevity based living that fits our lifestyle.
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Then we got a lot of runway ahead. So I
think there's always that combination, that delta between a sense
of urgency and what race you're running, you know. And
I come back to it, I said earlier, what does
mass during the middle really look like? And we're all
we're all different. But that's where this concept comes in,
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yew of what you call it diagnoses or triaging, you know,
maybe in medicine, where it's like, hey, that's what we're
doing about our lives too, And that's what really kind
of gasses me up with these guys. It's like, Hey,
knowing what's important is what's most important. Let's talk about
what that looks like. If you don't know where you're going,
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you're never going to get there. What does your map
look like if you're not aggregating, curating, eliminating, how do
you know what you keep and what you eliminate, you know,
and just is this stuff showing up on your calendar?
Are you being kind to yourself at the same time?
And the people around you?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Like?
Speaker 3 (29:30):
This stuff to me is really interesting to get into.
And we talk about it, you know, with regards to
our businesses all the time as men, KPIs, projections, quarterly reports,
planning reviews, all this stuff. But if I ask most
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guys like, where's show me the plan for your life?
They don't have one. They can pull out all kinds
of other spreadsheets. They could tell me what they're responsible
for at work and tell me when their next review is,
what came up in the last review, all these things.
But when I ask, you know, where's your life plan
for all this? They don't have that. And I think
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it's really important that we do. We really do write
these documents for ourselves.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
It's is having that purpose. Like everything else that we
got going on in life, you need it having that direction.
I love it. What what tell me more about the
six f's, because this seems to be pretty fundamental to
the approach of the midlight mail.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, I appreciate it. It really comes down to five
rules six f's in one question. You know, I kind
of zig zagged around all three of those. But this
is what my simple brain has been able to derive
over over the years that I can function with. And
the six f's came out of a conversation I had
with a now friend of mine, a guy named Billy Mann,
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who is a songwriter, Grammy Award winning songwriter. He works
with Pink and John Legend and some amazing artists. And
he was telling me this story about chasing the hit life.
I'm sorry, chasing the hit song.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I'll get it right.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
How he was always chasing the hit song as a songwriter,
as a producer, as an artist, thinking that when you
write the hit song like you've made it, you know,
life will be complete. And then he wrote a hit song,
nothing really changed, you know, except there's pressure to write
another hit song and to keep it up and expand
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and all that. And he got to this place where
he felt, I don't think I've got this right. I
fumble it a little bit, but he's like, you know
what if I chase the hit life, not the hit song,
what would that look and feel like? And when he
was telling me this, it was eerily similar to my
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chase of salary and title, and what I thought would
make me a productive and happy, successful man. And I
had it making really good money, had a really good title,
had all these things and all this stuff, and it
wasn't It wasn't a hit life. So I wrote down
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on one side of the paper again salary and title,
and then drove lying in the middle of the page.
On the other side, I started writing down things were
actually really important to me, and it was family it
was number one, and then it was fitness, which is
really health, you know at the time. I wrote down
your family, and then I wrote down your health, which
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became fitness. And then I wrote down money. Yeah, okay,
I want to have enough to do what I want,
when I want, with who I want, the way I want,
But like I don't need a ten thousand square foot house.
There were the money, which became finance. Then I wrote
down food, which was really nutrition. I just wanted to
eat better. I felt better when I did that. Then
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I wrote down style because I wasn't happy with the
clothes I was wearing in the way I was putting
myself together and what corporate looked like at that time,
and became fashion. And then I wrote down fun because
I was having what was supposed to be fun, but
I wasn't having much of that. I wasn't enjoying it. Really.
I was going out, but I was drinking and I
was doing it. And I wrote down fun, and ultimately
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those things became my six f's more of a holistic
metric for what success and fulfillment and purpose looked like.
Could I be better at those things? And if I could,
would that portfolio be more balanced, be more representative of
the man I was trying to be and wanted to
be an act like that, And that's what became the
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six f's, and I started to then develop standards for
each one. What would I do with my family? What
does that look like? If they're most important? So what
do we do? What do our standards look like? Attending
eighty percent of my kids games, spending at least two
months out of the year together, you know, whether we're
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traveling or doing things, family dinners, Monday facetimes with our
son who's away. This has grown, it's changed in set,
but ideally, what are the standards for each category? And
once I've got those down, I just like a golden retriever.
I just to throw the ball. I bring it back,
throw the ball, I bring it back. I just had
to open it up and look and follow it each day.
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And that's really become the six f's. And that's something
that my fs don't have to be your fs, you
know what I tell my clients and guys all the time.
But you do need to determine again what your portfolio
of success and values and really looks like.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
You know, we cover a lot of attrition, exercise, movement, fitness.
I'm curious to hear your your take on the fund.
I think the family makes sense. Eighty percent or twenty
percent or two months together, you know, eighty percent of
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your kids games, that's very tangible. What does the fund
metric look like for you?
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yeah? The cool thing first of all I find about
standards over goals. I'll just say this is, you know,
the standards are the minimum effective dose. We set an
eighty percent standard, I expect to beat it. But if
you set one hundred percent is the standard, you're setting
yourself up for failure, you know. So there's always that
delta of how you set yourself up for success. But
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your minimum effective dose is your standard, so that even
if that's the bare minimum, you're in an acceptable place.
We're all on the same page, but we set out
to beat that standard. So I'll just say that about
standards over over goals. And then you know, to your
question about fun, I wavered a lot about that initially
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about do I include fun on this list? Does it
sound juvenile?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
You know?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Here? Is this something for middle aged men or something
that I want to kind of hang my hat on
a little bit? And it gets to actually kind of
the most questions because around it, I think a lot
of guys are confused about what they should do for fun,
and what they are doing for fun, and what they
might have been, what they might have been pulled and
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drawn into over the years. And a lot of guys
we find have given up their their hobbies as they've
gotten older. And you know, so I look at fun
first of all. Fun is again it's possibility and its
opportunity and its hope. I mean, who doesn't want to
have fun? I have a model. It's like if it's
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not fun, that I'm done, Like, what is this all for?
If we're not having any fun? That it doesn't mean
that life is all rainbows and unicorns and that we
don't look work really really hard. But you've got to
have fun in your life, because I think that's really
where the purpose comes from. So for me, a lot
of it has changed. I mean, what I do for fun,
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this is what I do for fun. I get to
meet guys like you and have great conversations and learn
and embrace curiosity and go to events like you pneumonia.
You know, now I exercise for fun. I didn't at
first used to feel like a lot of work. Now
it's fun for me to wake up and go see
my friends at a class or at the gym, or
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have people over in my garage on Sunday mornings and
try new movements or modalities in there. That's fun for me,
you know. I mean just I'm not particularly you know,
I don'ld say like I'm a big, you know, gun
guy or an army I never grew up, but I
live down in Texas, and now I've kind of gotten
into going shooting with some guys on the range and
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doing some tactical stuff and learning from some guys who
are who are in the Seals and Special Forces guys,
and like that's fun. Climbing some mountains that I never
thought were, you know, going to be in my horizon
or in my wheelhouse. So I think those things are
a lot of fun. And I swapped some stuff that
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I wasn't really enjoying. You know, I'm not a golfer,
and I'm not a poker player really, and I'm not
a guy who likes to sit still, and I'm not
a drinker anymore.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
And so.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I think it's I think to answer your question directly,
and for anybody out there, it's like, hey, do you
think it's fun? Do you think it's something you want
to try? You think it could be? Well, all I
would offer is is if so, give it a shot,
because I just think the exercise of trying new things
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and putting yourself out there that in itself is a
lot of.
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All right, we are back for Prevention over Prescription with
a special guest, Quig Shyman. Just to give some context,
to it for yourself, Greg in terms of you know,
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when you're forty seven and you started to use our
focus on the six f's when it came to say
the fitness side or the food side fashion, whichever one
that really comes to mind. First, what levers did you make?
(40:16):
Like what changes did you make that seem to really
make a difference for you in your life?
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, I think, first of all, I think they're all connected.
I think I think they're all connected. And the way
I see it is these things kind of go together
in certain ways. So but what I mean by this,
you start exercise and you start to feel a little
bit differently, maybe it's that good kind of sore. You
start to feel a little bit like okay, a little
(40:44):
bit more energetic. And then maybe over a little time,
it's hard at the beginning and you see the but
you start seeing some progress in yourself. Maybe you didn't
take the picture on day one, in the picture of
yourself on day two, but if you take it on
day one and you keep it up and you take
that picture on day thirty, day sixty, day ninety, you'll
start seeing some changes. So now you're picking up momentum. Well,
(41:05):
what happens. You don't want to waste this, so you
start eating a little bit better. Hey, I'm putting in
this time in the gym. You know, I'm exercising, I'm
working out, maybe I have a trainer, or I'm going
to this CrossFit class, or i might be taking spin
whatever else it is. And I'm excited and you're seeing progress.
So now you start eating a little bit better. Oh okay,
(41:26):
you gravit so like, I'm not going to drink that
soda anymore. I'm not going to waste all this progress
in there. So you start to think about what are
your standards for food and nutrition? Hey, maybe I should
cut down a little bit on the fried foods, cut
down a little bit on the sugars. Maybe I can
have you know, a dessert once a week instead of
every day. Maybe water is taking the place of the
(41:48):
sodas and stuff. So I think it's connected in those regards,
and you know, then you start thinking about the fashion.
What happens is now my pants are a little bit bigger,
you know, my shirts are fitting a little bit differently
because I'm working out a little bit now. And guess what,
I'm eating a little bit better because of that now
I'm sleeping a little bit differently. So now you know,
(42:11):
somehow I managed to get myself up to a thirty
four to thirty five waist that I'm pushing two hundred
and go. You know what, Well, now I'm back. Wait
a minute. The answer isn't to buy bigger pants. Look
at what's happening now, Like the pants are now, my
waist is getting smaller again, So let me go get
some new pants. What kind of pants do I want?
Don't buy new pants when they're getting bigger. Stop, get
(42:33):
the new pants, okay, when they're getting smaller, you know,
or if they're getting bigger. Shirt you need a bigger shirt.
It's for the right reasons, not the other reasons. Point being,
these things are exactly they're connected, you know there.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
So.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
You know, I get I think the cool thing is
you can use that again. That kind of consistency and
that momentum. Exercising leads to good food, eating well to
more exercising. Exercising and good food leads to you wanting
to get a look a little bit better and dress
a little bit better, walk a little bit taller, smile
(43:08):
a little bit more. You know what we put on
our bodies. What we put in our bodies is that
starts to matter. Like that's a really really interesting thing.
And when people start to notice that in you, and
they will they notice, Okay, when you go to the bar,
(43:29):
what you order, they notice, you know, eating, or they
notice that your clothes are fitting a little bit differently,
or that you've got a little bit more kind of
spring in your step. That feels pretty good. And you
want to pay that forward, acknowledge it, pay it forward,
and you also want to continue that. And by the way,
(43:50):
that shows up. Now we get into finance and keep going.
You know what happens, Your performance gets better, you become
more valuable. Tell you what, your bosses notice it. You know,
your colleagues notice it, your clients notice it. You know
it shows up everywhere, your kids notice it. You know,
(44:14):
this touches every touches every area of your life. So
I think we can compartmentalize standards for each area. But
at the end of the day, like we live our
lives in the aggregate, we're all of these things.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
I love it, Greg, So we're coming up against it.
But what's do you have a story in mind when
it comes to a client or somebody you were working
closely with where these principles really made a significant change
(44:49):
in their life.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Absolutely a number of them. Look, I just got back
from New York the other day, and I spent two
days in New York, one each day with a different client.
And what we do is we sat down and we
do these mapping sessions, these full midlife action plans for
the year. So obviously we do them in January. These
(45:13):
have been clients in mine for a little while and
we set the tone for the entire year. But what
we're coming off of, what's really interesting now is now
we're in version kind of like two point one to
two point two because I've been working with these guys
for a little while, and our platform off of the
fact that it's all connected and it's never necessarily one thing.
But with one client in particular, it's a successful individual
(45:36):
in real estate. He's married, he's got young children out there,
and we went in order. First thing was, I mean,
he was burning the candle at both ends for too long.
You know, he's taken the train into the city from Connecticut.
He's working too many hours, he was missing things with
the kids, he was drinking a little bit too much.
(45:56):
Health and fitness had fallen off all of those things.
So I went back the plan, and the first thing
is it starts with yourself, and it starts with health.
So the first thing we did is, and you know that,
we started we started on the science side. First, Hey,
let's get your blood work done. Let's find out what's
going on, you know with you in there. Let's make
(46:16):
sure you're healthy before we start doing you know, before
we start doing anything else that's in there. We got
his blood work done, we got a meeting with a nutritionist,
started some smart supplementation was on there, set some days
in a schedule, and a cadence for him to meet
with a trainer. Went through this thirty sixty ninety days.
(46:37):
Then we developed a plan to wean him off. In
his case, he didn't have to commute to the city
every day, and his offerings so what days are you
going to go to the city, What days are you
going to work from home? In there, you know, we're
writing down what's most important. Do you want to take
your kids to school two days a week, you want
to pick them up two days a week? What are
the options and choices that are available? And then we
(46:59):
started testing and retesting that he ended up losing all
over thirty pounds. He has significantly reduced his drinking to
the point where if he has a drink or to
every couple of months, that's a lot now from drinking
every day. He has developed great relationships and with his trainer,
(47:24):
with his wife, with his business partner by resetting kind
of the framework around there. He took on a challenge
and went to Antigua last year to go to a
high performance event. He had a goal to become a
guest lecturer at the college that he graduated from. He
has now delivered two guest lectures in twenty twenty four
and he's going to lecture there four times in twenty
(47:46):
twenty five. So, I mean we were setting standards, setting goals,
and reverse engineering back to what the standards were that
he needed to operate on in order to make those
goals inevitable. And these are the kind of stories that
that are possible for any guy out there. You can
(48:07):
do it. You can do it through Google, you can
do it through YouTube, you can do it through books,
you can do it through podcasts, you can do it
through working with a coach. You can you just have
to want to do it. And these are the guys
that inspire me when you start seeing the work that
they're putting in, and again you start seeing the possibilities
(48:30):
become probabilities. Now you're living proof. You never thought you
could get up at seven o'clock in the morning. Now
you're up at six. They're chomping at the bit. You
never thought you could get up from your desk at
five o'clock at night and go home. You know, you're
used to coming home at seven, eight nine. You know
everything like, oh my god, the world is going to
(48:52):
blow up. My clients are all going to leave me.
This isn't power. I can't do this. I can't you
know what. It's hard. Change is hard, but again it's possible.
Different borders, different boundaries, different guard rails that are set up.
You know, this is the stuff. I go off on
this because it fires me up. And then you notice
you're around a lot of people like this, and that
(49:16):
keeps you going, that inspires you to keep going.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Well, Greg, you've got you've got me going. Brother, Oh my,
oh my god, listen, this is this has been an
absolute slice because and I just as I mentioned, I
feel like this is what a lot of us need
right now a little bit of a kick in the
on the on the backside to get to get going
(49:42):
and realizing on the other side of this can be
absolute joy and fulfillment. So I really want to commend you,
Greg for the work you're doing here. Where can people
get the book, the podcast, get a hold of your coaching,
all the things.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yeah, absolutely, just go to midlifemail dot com. It's all there.
You can get our newsletter every single Sunday, which you've
been on the cover of our digital magazine and your
interview is incredible, and that's what we want to do.
I want to amplify other guys' messages like your own,
share those stories and perspectives to more guys every week.
So go to midlifemail dot com. You can get our
(50:24):
newsletter every single week. You can join our inner Circle community.
That's less than going out for dinner once you know,
once there in the month, and we're going to bring
you the access and the insights and the network to
these guys up close and personal. That's there, and various
events and retreats and experiences where we think we can
again bring guys into some areas of opportunity and open
(50:47):
up some possibilities for them throughout the year. But you
know that that's what we're trying to trying to do.
And I think we're here that we're all better together.
So we're just building, man, that's what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Greg, You're making some magic, happing you all the change
and it's inspirational. Brother, Thank you so much that I'll.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Leave you with one thought. And for the guys that
are out there, you know, I'm not a doctor like
you and I and I say that with adulation for
what you guys do. Not a doctor. I'm not a scientist,
you know. Really, I'm not an expert in any area.
I'm just a guy like a husband and a dad,
you know, and the guys out there just trying like
all of us to do the best to the best
(51:33):
job he can. And that's what I hope guys really
take away from is that, hey, like, okay, I can
do that.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
I can get the info the info from guys. I
can get the info from guys like you. I can
apply that stuff. That's what I want guys to think about.
It's what you want is out there and you can
do it.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Per y'all could do it. That's why you tune in
and baby, Greg, thanks again for doing this. You're a beast, buddy.
Thank you so much, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
The feeling is mutual. I need a big line on
my chest, you know, like you on there too.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Hey, we'll send you one, no problem there, but.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
We have stuff we can swap back and forth. I
know that we're not going anywhere for sure.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
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do this all right, people. I hope you're feeling little
(53:00):
bit more jumping your step after that episode. Thanks for listening.
Talk wils rehearse.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Yeah, it's like, if you want to rhyme with me,
you don't even know what rod is looks.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
If you want to get clean, you want to get thirty,
you want to go left right, This is what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
Want it's a knock up.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Let's just rock up forty one one, drinking my winds
about over it, through you think of, forget the strategies.
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When you battle.
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