March 6, 2025 • 47 mins
In this episode of Prevention Over Prescription with Dr. K, we're joined by Andrew McConnell, co-founder of Alively.com, to explore the keys to thriving in life. Andrew shares insights from his journey as a former competitive swimmer turned entrepreneur and author, highlighting the five core pillars of health: fitness, nutrition, mindset, sleep and recovery, and social connection and purpose. We discuss the role of stress management, mindset shifts, and the importance of taking action to improve overall well-being. Andrew also explains how Alively.com connects individuals with trusted health and wellness role models for personalized recommendations.
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Let's get started. Qualcas Nation. I won't lie. I'm pretty
excited about this episode. We've been trying to line this
one up for a bit, but this conversation with Andrew
is all things wellness, all things how, not just not
just how to survive, but how to thrive. So Andrew,
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welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Quit to be here. I'm excited for today's today's talk.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Oh me too, Me too, Andrew and I have a
lot of comment. We were just talking a little bit
before before jumping on and his whole approach of trying
to create some long lasting but vast impact. It's something
that I think we share in common. So maybe before
we dive into a lively give us a sense of
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how you got here, because your your story is actually
really interesting. Andrew, let us know a bit about your background.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, it was definitely not a straight line path to
what I'm doing now. So my background, I was pretty
serious swimmer, was on the USA national team, international medalist,
Division one All American at Harvard and swimming and that
really defined me of who I was as a person
as an athlete. I was a swimmer. And it was funny.
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It was just with a bunch of former swimmers this
past weekend and we were talking about how little we knew
then of what it actually took for top performance and
that it was just all fitness. We just cranked. The
training was probably too much. Too much of the time.
We weren't getting sleep because you had two practices, you
had to get up super early. You still had class,
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so we weren't optimizing on the rest and recovery. Our
nutrition was atrocious right after practice, reading hot dogs, hamburg anything,
just trying to get the calories in. We never thought about, wait,
this is actually the fuel we're going to go later burn,
Maybe we need to think about this. We fell into
having really good social connection and purpose because our purpose
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was serving this team, and we lived with each other
literally and like I had an ap room with three beds,
so my roommates, we really lived with each other. And
then in practice we were constantly together, our meals were
constantly together. So we had this wonderful social connection just
by accident more than anything. And then the mindset I
was coming in this past weekend. My best best season
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was my freshman year when my dad had found this
Australian sports psychologist and hypnotherapist. So he got me these
tapes and I went from I was beating all these
guys in practice, but not in the meats to Oh,
all of a sudden, I setting conference records and winning
the event and becoming an All American, and then I
just stopped doing it right. I saw how good the
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impact was and then didn't stick with the mindset side,
which is kind of baffling in retrospect, but so that
was my world. I was defined as an athlete, ended
up getting an injury, wasn't competing at the same level.
So I had to rethink and got very serious with
my academics, and so with that was able to go
to law school in the US and the UK, got
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a couple of all degrees. Found that law was not
for me, so after doing the bar exam, went to
management consulting and got to do some amazing work with
I lived in Afghanistan working on economic development for a while,
bounced around at education funding things, really some passion projects,
and then in twenty twelve started my entrepreneurial journey. Had
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this idea in the vacation runtal in the airbnb space
that ended up leading to a series of three different
businesses that were kind of compoundingly successful. Sold my last one,
rented dot Com in twenty twenty two, and then at
the same time, I love to write, So I was
writing a bunch of articles for Forbes and other things.
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I'm like, you know what, I should really write a book.
So around COVID, I went got an agent, we sold
the book and published it. All around mindset and kind
of this journey, this idea of our mind being like
real estate in that it's the one thing we can own,
and yet we spend our entire lives renting it because
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we just give it away to the person who cuts
this off in traffic. We give it away to what
we're worried about, our client or our boss is going
to say tomorrow morning. We just give it away, and
then we're just trying to get these pieces back at
the end of the day. And so the book is
get out of my head, creating modern clarity with stoic wisdom,
and it's explaining why our brain works that way scientifically,
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and then it's a series of tools of how do
we reclaim that ownership? And so I had that book.
It ended up becoming a bestseller. I was doing a
lot of speaking, and after I sold the company, I
was thinking, do I really want to keep staying and
travel when I can have this different kind of impact
on people's lives. I would get messages from Twitter, from LinkedIn,
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from people forwarding from Facebook, Messenger or whatever of you know,
I read your book this weekend and I quit my
job on Monday. People come to sizaying your book changed
my life, and every time like, look, my book did
not change your life. You change your life based on
some things that maybe you realize reading the book, but
you change your life and realizing that I could do right,
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that could be a thing, that could be my job.
And my now co founder Los America, just phenomenally human being.
I've known him for ten years from the travel industry.
He had launched booking dot Com in North America back
when it was one hundred and million dollar companies seventeen
years ago. It's now one hundred and forty billion dollar
company as he scaled it over nearly two decades. And
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he's he's a really top performing competitive runner, Master's runner.
And so we're both these kind of fitness health very focused.
What are the latest trends, what's the latest research following
all the all that's out there, And we said, you know,
as we look to move from travel, how could we
take everything that we're learning and doing and put that
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to the benefit of others. And we looked at the
health of Wellness space and said, well, on one side,
health is not really help. It's it's the absence of disease.
And people, oh, I don't have diabetes, I'm healthy, or
I don't have cancer, I'm healthy. That is not being healthy.
That's just not having that sickness. Being healthy is thriving
at a different level than I think most people even
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can fathom. You know, I had a friend that I
worked with at McKinsey who later said, you have no
idea how good I am Now.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I was so s.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Part I learned I had a gluten intolerance and basically
for ten years it was like every day I woke
up hungover. I had no idea because that's just the
water I was swimming in. Well, once I pulled that out,
I'm so much smarter. I have so much more energy.
There's this next level that almost everybody has in them,
but they have no idea because they don't feel it
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day to day. And that's the idea with a lively
dot com of saying, hey, we're not trying to tack
more years at the end of your life. We're not
trying to address when you're sick. You know their doctors
do that. What we want to do is help you
thrive with your best possible life today every day for
all of your days. And that's that's our mission. That's
what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
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Speaker 2 (11:27):
Welcome back to Prevention over Prescription with doctor k. I
love it so much because we have spent so little
time on how to be optimal. And it's as you said,
you don't realize how crappy you feel or or what
your potential is because because often we don't think about it,
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like I'm just thinking and reflecting about your your swimming experience.
Like I grew up, I didn't play I wasn't collegiate
or Olympian statue, but I played the competitive hockey and
we ate. It's like you said, we ate whatever. I'm
of that kind of that same era where it doesn't
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matter what you eat, calories or calories. There was no
thought on the quality of food, your macros, like in
terms of the like fueling yourself. And now I look
at the athletes. Now I got three boys that are
that are involved in sports, and you think about how
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to optimally set them up to succeed. It's it's like
we've done a complete one eight when it comes to
this concept. So I am I'm really number one excited
about this because of it's it's what we need. But
before getting into some of the details the mindset aspect
we don't on our show, I haven't really dived enough
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into it. I'm curious when you read that book as
or listen to that those tapes as an athlete that
help you jump take things to the next level, what
were some of the central themes there and did they
overlap with your book Get Out of my.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Head in some ways yes, but almost inverse on the
relating to the book. So it wasn't until I was
at a conference in December of twenty twenty that I
even realized what those tapes in two thousand and two
thousand and one were doing. Had no idea. These were
just tapes after practice I would listen to and literally
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they were cassette tapes because that's old I am, and
we just listen to them each day. And what it
was was hypnosis and back to most people don't know
what living and feeling optimally feels or looks like. It's
if we can't see it. A lot of times we
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can't in fision it. We don't think there's a better
world because we haven't seen it, we haven't felt it ourselves.
Seeing truly is leaving. And so the whole idea with
these taps and the hypnosis was you got into this
state of not sleep but hypnosis where it opened up
your mind to be way more receptive and you would
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start envisioning moving because it was very specific to swimming
faster than was humanly possible, like just and so smooth,
so easy. It's just you were seeing you were living
that race and feeling it and seeing it, and so
you every day we're seeing it. So it was believing, wait,
I can do that, and I went out in the
first race. If you're like, oh my god, what is
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this guy doing because for eight months I'd seen this.
I believe I can do this from wire to wire.
I can just do it. I can Bobby think this
bad way. And so that a little bit was the
opposite of get out of my head, because it's incepting
things to put in your head. Versus saying, hey, I'm
not going to take these outside ideas, it was saying no,
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there are some ideas that we're going to put in there.
And there's still your ideas. You're going to own them,
but I'm going to steer you to these really positive
loops that are going to start telling you stories of
what is possible because you have been getting in your way.
Your body can do the things. I mean, golf, what
percent of golf do you think is mental versus physical?
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So much of this.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Stuff, Oh my goodness, yeah, yeah, like it's it's this
is one of the I mean, I feel like we're
in the same demographic. But we as athletes in our day,
we weren't. There was no psychologists. There really wasn't that
that element of I shouldn't say there's no I wasn't
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aware of that being a major part of what we do.
And and now it would almost be a sin not
to have a sports psychologist on any organization sports team.
It's like it's so heavy, Like, I know, hockey the
best right goalies? Are you kidding me? One year you're
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the lights out? Next year you are? You see what's happening?
We saw like it's so it's it's such an important element.
So so give us a sense, and Andrew, and we'll
get into lively in a second here. But because I
haven't got a chance to get out of my head,
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which is my next read obviously, But what are some
of the key principles that help navigate people like that?
Because I think this is a really important topic in
terms of literally getting out of our heads. Yeah, so it.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Depending on the conversation I've been having, I always say,
well here's here's a good place to start because it
is so personal. But the book is really broken into
three sections, and it's about the first section, the obvious
one evicting the tenants that are other people who are
the tenants you're letting live rent free and head right,
Like we can't dictate who walks by our front door
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down the street, but we do get to decide if
we open our door let them come in and start
rating our refrigerator and sitting on our couch. We can
do that with our home. We can also do that
with our mind, but we don't. We just let anybody
who wants to come by and just hop in, and
a lot of times they don't know it. The guy
who cuts you off in traffic, they just put you
in a bad mood for the next two hours. He
does not know you exist. He didn't even see your car,
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right Like, he literally has no idea you're out there.
But you just hand it over your mindset to that guy.
So the first section is how do we deal with that?
The section is events and circumstances outside our control. So
it might not be individuals, but it could be you know, weather, events, sport, outcomes,
all these kinds of things. How and why do we
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let those on our mood, our mindset, and how do
we take control? And then the third one is actually
the most difficult, and that's different or imagine versions of ourselves,
right the self that we think think our parents wanted
us to be, the self that we think we should
have been or could be, and that voice that's in
our head that's holding us back, and what I do
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in the book is gets into the science behind why
each of these things are true and why these are
not new, quoting from Taoism, Judaism, still Ism, Buddhism and
thinks thousands of years old, like, look, these people were
dealing with this a long time ago, and they had
these solutions and then profiling what that looks like in
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modern society. So the founder of Docu sign Bernice King,
doctor Martin Luther, King's junior's daughter, social activists, artists, entrepreneurs, olympians, right,
these people taking these principles and applying them in a
modern context and what those results look like, what that
path looks like. But then there's such a big gap
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between reading a book and affecting change or you go
here a talk, Oh my god, this is amazing. We
feel so energetic, and next week looks just like the
week before. And so very specifically wanted to make this
about action. How do you change? And so every chapter
has an exercise with a worksheet of here's the work
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to do, because mindset and stress management is not different
than physical fitness or nutrition, and that we don't go
to the gym for a day, a week or a
year and say I'm set, I did my physical fitness
good for the rest of my life. We don't eat
healthy vegetables and plants and meats for a week or
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a month or a year and say great, it's cheeburgers
and Frenchies. Here on that because I did the healthy thing,
like I tick that box. We understand that is an
ongoing process that requires work, and mindset is the exact
same thing. It requires the same work. And so this
is where these worksheets come in. And so it's there's
a free workbook that comes along with it, so say hey,
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pull these out. This can be stuff you go back to.
And then to make it even easier, I made a
custom GPT that I made publicly available on chat GPT
so you can just do it all with AI where
it'll coach you through the exercise depending what you're working on.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Brilliant, brilliant. And I personally see the link directly with
thriving because as we alluded to stress management, mindset all
ties into optimal living. I see it as an ICU
doc regularly those that are stressed and what that impact
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that has on their health. Like I've literally seen stress
kill people. Yeah, and so I think this approach is
could be so valuable to so many of us. I'm
curious to hear even just one example of something that
we could do on a worksheet, like I'll give it,
I'll give it that. I was ironically, I was listening
to a book on Stoicism, yes, and I was having
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this exact same I was taking actually talked to my
wife about this because you know, I was like, I
love the Stoic philosophy. I feel like this is something
that we could all embrace, like take that adversity and
and don't be fearful of it and use that as
as fuel, or use it and use it in a
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way that could help with growth and look as a
growth opportunity. But then I was given an example of this,
this uh of a of a colleague of mind that
just pissed me off, like just you know, just said
something rude, and I'm trying to let it go. But
at the same time, I'm telling myself, I want to
rip into this, dude. I'm like this and it's as
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you said, it's funny, it's taking up two hours of capital,
and in my brain, I'm just pacing and I'm wanting
to throw something. But yeah, of course, as an example,
what would be a the how you would navigate that
through with whatether your worksheets or some of the principles
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to alleviate that from your bandwidth.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yes, I mean in that very specific case, that person
did not piss you off. It was your reaction to
what that person did piss you off. Right, So there's
an objective truth of that person said these words. That
person did this thing. That is a fact that happened.
Then what comes after that is used internally and there's
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two separate worlds, right, there's the one, Hey, this is
a one off thing that this happened a time. So
the person equivalent the person cuts you off and trying.
You don't know the person never see the person again, right,
And maybe this person's not done this before, they're a
new colleague. They just did this thing, and in that instance,
it's creating a narrative of why would the person do
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that thing. People don't do things that they think are
wrong or bad. So when we maybe go through a
pink light slightly yellow, slightly red, when we do the things,
oh it's because I'm late to get my kid from school.
Whatever it is, like there's a story of I have
a really good reason why I shouldn't be doing this.
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And we don't give that to other people. We only
judge them by their actions, not their intentions. And so
coming up with the story of hey, why could this
be a good thing to that person makes it way easier, like, hey,
you know, they may be rushing, they may have a
pregnant the spouse in the car that they're getting in
the hospital. Like, I don't know their story, but let
me come up with a gracious, generous story. And for me,
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that just diffuses a whole thing, like, okay, like they're
taking care of their thing. If it's an ongoing behavior,
right this klie, Hey man, this happens all the time,
then it's separating out. Okay, this person does my response
to it? What control do I have. I can't change
that person. I can't make that person. But what I
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can do is share the impact of their words or
actions on me and maybe others that I see around them. Say,
when you do X, very specifically, here's how it's perceived,
at least by me, and here's the outcome of that.
It makes me less likely to want to help you
or work with you. I'm sure you're coming from a place,
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but is there another way to have this kind of
conversation or interaction that doesn't result in this outcome. And
just because again, you can't change a person, but you
can change how you react and how you communicate because
they may have no clue or they may they may
once the mirror is held up, like, oh my god,
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I could see how that would make people think I'm
an asshole. Like I'm not an asshole. I know because
I know my story behind here's why I do all
this stuff. But I could see someone from the outside
that this is all they're saying. That could be what
they would take away from this interaction. And that's not
the kind of person I want to be. But it's
being direct within in a loving way, right, not going of,
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hey I want I'm trying to embarrass you with this.
Anything is saying look, I'm assuming you're coming from a
good place, but let me share with you when you
do this, what the results are and is that really
what you're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
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A welcome back to Prevention over Prescription with Doctor K brilliant.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It's brilliant because it shifts your mindset to you to
a more compassionate one and the more loving one where
you're you're less angry, You're gonna be you're gonna be
more more understanding. And that other point to Andrew about
folks not realizing their impact. I can't count how many
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times that the conversation with with folks saying like do
you realize what you're saying? Or it comes across as X,
Y or Z and and they're like, oh man, I
mean it's happened to myself too, where someone.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Because you're a human being, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
And am I ever grateful for people to open up
and and and and mention these things. So it's a
great point, Andrew. I I mean, I feel like I've
been keeping people on x shell a little bit a
lively dot on this when you when I started to
hear about this out to me, I was, I was like,
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this is brilliant, and I can't believe in somebody and
some ways that this hasn't been more people haven't tried
to replicate this, but this is such a good idea.
So maybe give us a sense of what alively dot
com is all about.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, so a lively dot com is about enabling and
empowering anyone to live healthier, longer. So if we think
about health, we think about wellness. It's a super amorphous thing.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Right.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Health could be absence to disease.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
It could be.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Medicine treating sickness. Right, there's so many labels that now
go around health and the healthcare system that mostly is
treating sickness. They're like, is that what health is? Then wellness?
Wellness could be a yoga retreat, it could be a
medspot right, again, very very vague. So we try to
look at it and say what do people actually care about?
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And longevity has kind of been the bonds, and we
see longevity is two buckets. One live longer, right how
long you live lifespan, and the other is live healthier
the health span side through those years. Most people aren't
great about planning into the future. And if you go say, hey,
let's help you on lifespan, like, I don't know if
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I want another five years from ninety two to ninety seven,
Like I see those people and maybe that's not what
I want. But if you say, hey, would you like
to feel better today when you're ninety would you rather
feel like what you see sixty five year olds feeling
like and acting like today and say, oh that that
sounds pretty good. And by the way, in doing the
things you need for that every day today is going
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to be better too, not worse, but better. Okay, Well,
I like the sound of that. So A Lively is
very much around that, this idea of health span, and
we love it because there's a clear structure to it.
There are five core pillars fitness, how we're moving our body, nutrition,
how we're fueling our body, our mindset, how and what
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we put into our mind, our sleep and recovery, how
we rest and recharge our body. And then the fifth
one that I think needs the most attention right now
because it's getting the least attention and it's just as
impactful and important as the others, is our social connection
and our purpose. It's what we put into the world.
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So when you talked about stress causing sickness, going back
and forth, people are starting to get that mind body
connection right of hey, gut, our microbiome can actually cause schizophrenia.
So the body can feed the mind, the mind can
feed the body, and sickness, but there's a third leg
to this stool, which is not just mind body all
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inside this shell. It's how we interact with this broader
world around us, because we are social creatures. And I
don't think it's an accident with the loneliness epidemic, with
people pulling more into themselves and away from faith based organizizations,
from civic organizations, from all these things that we're seeing
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rises in depression and suicide attempts and all these things.
We are not made. We're meant to be isolated creatures,
and so that is a hugely important pillar that we
explicitly try to cover and get in there. And so
the idea is, hey, it's a marketplace, but not a
marketplace of the twenty or twenty tens where it's say, hey,
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we're going to get all the books or all the
DVDs and then you have a search for and you've
got to go figure out the entire world yourself. It's saying, wait,
are thermostats know what temperature we want it when we
want it. Our playlists know what music to play for
us based on time and data in our movement. Our beds,
right if you have an eight sleep or chili bed
like they adapt to the temperature we need while we sleep.
(30:39):
Why in the world would my marketplace say, oh, just
go search the universe. It's all right here, versus with
all the data we're capturing and throwing off, being able
to tell us, oh, based on what you've been doing,
what you want to achieve, here is the thing to
work on. Let me go help you with that until
we make that a habit, and then we'll move on
(31:00):
to the next one. And so Lively is very much
partnering in a marketplace, in a new model marketplace, to
create that curated personalization to help you live healthier, longer,
every single day of your life.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Brilliant, brilliant. Like it's I love that point too of
the personalization. Like everything else you get fed on what's
optimal for you, but your wellness in general, which you,
of all people, Andrew knows this can't be a cookie
cutter solution for for so many folks. Yeah, Like, it's
going to be about what pillar needs optimization, needs to
(31:39):
be optimized, and which ones can maybe be compromised a
little bit more. But so walk me through the process.
So I go on, I'm curious about Lively. I'm I'm
wanting to live a healthier lifespan. What what what is
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the process as a consumer? What happens?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yes, so today how the consumer would find a lively
is through our partnerships with what we call health and
wellness role models. So we mentioned these five pillars there are.
Let's say, how do most people decide to try something
new or do something new? And the answer, Sorry, so.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I thought you were asking, but yeah, ahead, no, no.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
No answer answer because answer is always the same.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I feel like they just go on to social feed
and the IG's telling them exactly what they got to
be a carnivore right now or whatever. Think it's just yeah,
it's it's.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
They hear it from people they trust. Right, So it
was five years ago, ten years ago, it was your
friend that really knew this one area and they would
tell you, hey, you got to try this new price,
this new server. It was fifty thousand years ago, the
caveman to his buddy saying, look, I ate this last
week and it didn't kill me. You should totally try it.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
It was always people you trust, recommen, you should try
this new thing. You're like, okay, I'll give it a go.
This person I trusted, I was just talking to an investor.
It's like, oh, I'm different than everybody else because I'll
hear it, but then I go run it by this
kind of physician and this kind of homeopath and the spider.
Like you just named a whole bunch of people you trust.
It's the exact same thing. It's always been the same.
That's how humans are. They go off of people they trust,
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which could be the algorithm, it could be someone you
specifically follow. And so we partner with these people you
already trust. You already follow them because you say, hey,
like you quadro, I trust this guy's healthy living, I
trust the things, the research he's doing, the end of
one test he's doing. I trust what he's doing. And
so we profile these people not just on the pillar
(33:41):
where they're typically known, right, and so we have the
fitness freaks. It put amazing workout videos like great, how
did you get into this? What's your favorite workouts? What
kind of at home equipment do you have or what
do you travel with? But you must also think about
how you fuel your body. Are there any supplements you take,
what brands do you use, and why do you supplement
with protein? Are you getting enough? How do you think
(34:02):
about rustling recovery, what's your sleep routine, like, what's your
sleep hygiene link? Which what is each night or each
morning like around that, And so we profile them across
and then we create custom pages for them where we
can bundle that together so that people who say, hey,
I trust this person Lively never heard of it. I'm
not sure I trust them, but I trust this person.
And here is them on video talking about here's what
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I use, Here's why I do it, Here's the impact.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Of what I do.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
And so that's how you would find us. Typically, as
the consumers, you're already following someone you trust. They're talking about, Hey,
here are the things I do, and you can get
all of it at a lively dot com check out
my page.
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Speaker 2 (35:14):
I mean, I feel like this is what I do already.
I have a handful of people that online I trust
some of them. I've met some of them, haven't met
Rob Wolf as an example. I'm a big fan of
Rob Wolf Huberman. I've been into a lot of his stuff,
Peter Tia, a lot of like everyone with the especially
tying with the longevity stuff. But yeah, you're always curious
(35:35):
to what they're doing themselves to try and opt to
live optimally.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, and you know, no, sorry, but I go back
to you know, the Black Swanguay and a some talib oh.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah. Yeah, so you know he.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Always has this line, don't give me investment advice, show
me your portfolio. I don't care what you say. I
care what you do. Where's your money? And this is
the same of he don't tell me what affiliate partnerships
you've worked out, tell me what it is you use
and do. That's I want to see your portfolio.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, yeah, it's true, because yeah, I mean it's kind
of it was. Actually what I was listening to on
the Still Is, ironically, in the Still book I was
reading or listening to, was it's about your action. It's
about what you do in so many ways, not what
you're saying. And I think i'd like to think a
lot of people and that are of influence you know,
(36:30):
walk the way. What's the expressional I'm trying to say,
walk the talk? Yeah, yeah, walk the talk. I mixed
metaphors horribly all the time, but yeah, walk the talk.
But there's no guarantee of that. So what are some
of the if you're comfortable mentioning Andrew, like some of
the influencers that you've been excited about to see join lively.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
This is a beautiful thing of It's opened my eyes
so much so I had this whole series. Is whether
it's yoga instructors of people that I found during the
pandemic when I couldn't get out and I started following
them to lymphatic massages, to now health coaches and metabolic
(37:16):
coaches that were dancers, and so I'd be asking like,
how do you know? You say you just kind of
decide what to do that day in the gym, Well,
how do you know what you should be doing? And
consistently these dancers, these yoga teach others. I listened to
my body. Huh, listen to your body. So as a
(37:41):
distance from it, I raced for the US in ten kilometer
twenty five kilometer races. These canna be five plus hour races.
So much of my life was turning off that signal
from my body to my mind. You didn't want to
hear the noise because you had to fight through it
better than anybody else. And so this has been this
huge learning process. So people like Nicole Wilde, Lauren Sampataro,
(38:06):
The Length Length Girl, they just opened my eyes. Oh wow,
there's this language I probably knew as a child, but
I haven't spoken it in so long. I'm going to
have to relearn that language. I got to go back
to studying that language. So for me, those who have
probably been alex Ellis is another one that just have
(38:29):
really helped me on my journey around that.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Wow, wow, I can't wait to dive into this because
just I feel like there's just so many gems in
here of curious. Also, then Andrew has a what's either
in any of the pillars in the last saying year
in the calendar year that you've adjusted pivoting it added
(39:00):
to that has made a difference in your in your
own world because I I I'm getting a glimpse of
your life here. You're you know, you're obviously an entrepreneur,
You're you're having to wear a lot of hats, here
and you're running this amazing company. Imagine you get pulled
in a lot of directions and and and so to
(39:22):
live that optimal life sometimes it's it's hard when you're busy. So, yeah,
I'm curious, Right, that's right, I love it. Uh what
in the last year saying has made a big difference
for you as well? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:38):
For me, it's it is that fifth pillar, the social
connection on purpose and so this, this is something I
think I was more blind to, right for like I
was saying early on, for me, health was fix, nutrition, sleep,
that could all come later. It was fix. And then
you start learning some more about nutrition, and then you
start learning some more about then Spanish man and mindset.
(40:01):
But the social connection side, I didn't have time for that. Right.
If I went to the gym, I deliberately put headphones in,
saying I'm here to do work. I don't care if
you want to be my friend, whatever, I have X
number of minutes to be here. I'm going to get
my physical fit and I'm going back to the office.
I'm going to crank work. This is the focus. And
then I started understanding the research better, understanding the science better.
(40:23):
Oh wait, this isn't this side project. This is on
par and on even with fitness and nutrition. Is this
social connection purpose? I need to think about this. So
how did I change my day to day? Well, now
in the gym, I don't wear headphones. I've made a
bunch of friends, right, you take them off, have conversation.
(40:43):
Maybe Oh man, I took another twenty five seconds rest
between those sets. That's okay because I'm making the social
connection as meaning I live most of the time in Bermuda,
would swim in the ocean every day. I don't have
to commute. I just go down to my dock and
I'm swimming. There were friends that would constantly, hey, we
swim at launch. You should come swim with no. No, no,
because that's going to take me however long to get
there and get back, and it's not going to be
(41:04):
as good a workout as if I just do on
my own. Realizing no, there's value in doing that and
getting in the laughs that you have between sets and
mixing it up and so really deliberately cultivating that social
connection and purpose for me has been huge. And I
mean back on the purpose side, moving into this business, right,
(41:25):
all my other businesses, there was a tangential purpose like
this bigger thing of Hey, if I do this, it's
going to help this other thing kind of down the line.
But they were capitalistic endeavors, right like you're going, you're
building a company doing this, whereas what I'm doing with
the lively, I'd be doing this anyway. Right. This is
this is how I would spend each day. This is
(41:46):
the number of people asking, hey, can you just can
you just give me your nutrition routine? Hey? Can can
you tell me your workout? Like I keep spreadsheets of
all this just to share with people. Hey, you know,
And that's where you don't have to be a Huberman
or a Tea to be influential or be a role
model with someone else. Like sometimes the most influential or
(42:07):
role model asked person is a person you personally know.
You say, hey, I know where we started, and I
know that we've since diverged, and I want to get
closer to what that person's doing on social connection or man,
they really seem to manage stress better than I do.
I wonder what their practices are, what could I learn
from that? And so that creating a platform to enable
(42:29):
that kind of sharing and that kind of visibility and
that kind of insight is I can't imagine a better
way to spend each day.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Oh man, this is you're creating magic in so many
people's world. And I must say to Andrew, that's the one,
especially during the pandemic, that's the one lever the connection
piece that I feel was sacrificed to a certain degree.
(42:58):
I mean, we were lucky in some ways because we
had to go to work, we had to be we
were together, we had a purpose, so there was some
tons of fulfillment there. But the idea of especially many
of your close friends, no one wanted to see you
right and now you were you got you almost lose
(43:19):
that muscle you were talking about. Some of these areas
like the mindset that you have to exercise. I feel
like the connection muscle, too, is something that atrophies if
you haven't seen people in a while, you get used
to being more isolated. And so yeah, to get back
into it as sounds like you've been doing a good
job of creating the environment for it. But that that's
(43:43):
another one I think if I think many of us
over the last couple of years anyway, I needed to
try and optimize for sure.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah, I mean a couple of things on that front.
I was having dinner with a friend last night and
making this exact point. Look, nurse is a powerful force
in both directions, whether from lack of movement or once
you have for backward motion. And in any given instance,
it will be easier to sit on the couch and
watch Netflix. That's always easier. It takes less energy, Like
(44:17):
I'm tired, But you know what, that's that's not the
life you want. Life has lived off the couch. Life
is experienced off the couch with other people and building
those memories. So just kind of pushing yourself, even even
with what I know. There was this Christmas party last
December and my ex wife I was. It was rainy,
it was dark, I was we were going through a time.
(44:38):
I was like, I just I just really don't feel
like it's like, no, you need this, you need to go.
And even what I knew is okay, I'm gonna trush
you on this. And I went and it was the
best night of them. I had so much fun. It
was hard to pull me away. I just talking to
you is so wonderful. And we can know these things
intuitively or intellectually, but acting on them is not always
(45:00):
is natural. Sometimes you have to do things that are
overcoming that initial hurdle to start building that positive inertia
in your favor.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Absolutely, oh Man, Edrew, this has been an absolute joy
to talk about this, and once again I feel like
I'm talking to kindred spirit or whatever the term. But yeah,
I really appreciate your coming on and talking about the
(45:32):
amazingness of Lively. So why don't let us know how
we could connect with you, where people could get walstre
Journal best selling shirt out of my head all these things?
What can people connect with you?
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Yeah, so connect with me. I'm most active on LinkedIn.
It's under m Andrew McConnell's same instagram is m Andrew
McConnell alivelies mostly under I am alive. So the idea like, hey,
I am a Lively dad, I am a Lively yoga instructor,
I am a Lively surfer grandma, right, Like, see yourself
(46:09):
in this life, living that life? What is that life
you're trying to live? But that's on Instagram, TikTok, Twitter,
et cetera. And then my my website and Andrew McConnell
dot com. You'll have links out you can get the book.
On Amazon, Barnes and Noble, any any place that good
books are sold. And for those that like listening, there's
a there's Kendle, and there's Audible as well, so you
(46:30):
can get the audio versions as well.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Perfect. I don't know about you, guys, but I am
definitely a listener. Andrew, thank you again for joining us
on the show. This was been, This was awesome, and look,
I know this won't be the last time we connect
my friend.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Absolutely, it was. It was wonderful. Pat thanks for having me.
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Let's get started. Qualcas Nation. I won't lie. I'm pretty
excited about this episode. We've been trying to line this
one up for a bit, but this conversation with Andrew
is all things wellness, all things how, not just not
just how to survive, but how to thrive. So Andrew,
(03:57):
welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Quit to be here. I'm excited for today's today's talk.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Oh me too, Me too, Andrew and I have a
lot of comment. We were just talking a little bit
before before jumping on and his whole approach of trying
to create some long lasting but vast impact. It's something
that I think we share in common. So maybe before
we dive into a lively give us a sense of
(04:26):
how you got here, because your your story is actually
really interesting. Andrew, let us know a bit about your background.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, it was definitely not a straight line path to
what I'm doing now. So my background, I was pretty
serious swimmer, was on the USA national team, international medalist,
Division one All American at Harvard and swimming and that
really defined me of who I was as a person
as an athlete. I was a swimmer. And it was funny.
(04:57):
It was just with a bunch of former swimmers this
past weekend and we were talking about how little we knew
then of what it actually took for top performance and
that it was just all fitness. We just cranked. The
training was probably too much. Too much of the time.
We weren't getting sleep because you had two practices, you
had to get up super early. You still had class,
(05:18):
so we weren't optimizing on the rest and recovery. Our
nutrition was atrocious right after practice, reading hot dogs, hamburg anything,
just trying to get the calories in. We never thought about, wait,
this is actually the fuel we're going to go later burn,
Maybe we need to think about this. We fell into
having really good social connection and purpose because our purpose
(05:39):
was serving this team, and we lived with each other
literally and like I had an ap room with three beds,
so my roommates, we really lived with each other. And
then in practice we were constantly together, our meals were
constantly together. So we had this wonderful social connection just
by accident more than anything. And then the mindset I
was coming in this past weekend. My best best season
(06:00):
was my freshman year when my dad had found this
Australian sports psychologist and hypnotherapist. So he got me these
tapes and I went from I was beating all these
guys in practice, but not in the meats to Oh,
all of a sudden, I setting conference records and winning
the event and becoming an All American, and then I
just stopped doing it right. I saw how good the
(06:23):
impact was and then didn't stick with the mindset side,
which is kind of baffling in retrospect, but so that
was my world. I was defined as an athlete, ended
up getting an injury, wasn't competing at the same level.
So I had to rethink and got very serious with
my academics, and so with that was able to go
to law school in the US and the UK, got
(06:43):
a couple of all degrees. Found that law was not
for me, so after doing the bar exam, went to
management consulting and got to do some amazing work with
I lived in Afghanistan working on economic development for a while,
bounced around at education funding things, really some passion projects,
and then in twenty twelve started my entrepreneurial journey. Had
(07:07):
this idea in the vacation runtal in the airbnb space
that ended up leading to a series of three different
businesses that were kind of compoundingly successful. Sold my last one,
rented dot Com in twenty twenty two, and then at
the same time, I love to write, So I was
writing a bunch of articles for Forbes and other things.
(07:28):
I'm like, you know what, I should really write a book.
So around COVID, I went got an agent, we sold
the book and published it. All around mindset and kind
of this journey, this idea of our mind being like
real estate in that it's the one thing we can own,
and yet we spend our entire lives renting it because
(07:52):
we just give it away to the person who cuts
this off in traffic. We give it away to what
we're worried about, our client or our boss is going
to say tomorrow morning. We just give it away, and
then we're just trying to get these pieces back at
the end of the day. And so the book is
get out of my head, creating modern clarity with stoic wisdom,
and it's explaining why our brain works that way scientifically,
(08:14):
and then it's a series of tools of how do
we reclaim that ownership? And so I had that book.
It ended up becoming a bestseller. I was doing a
lot of speaking, and after I sold the company, I
was thinking, do I really want to keep staying and
travel when I can have this different kind of impact
on people's lives. I would get messages from Twitter, from LinkedIn,
(08:36):
from people forwarding from Facebook, Messenger or whatever of you know,
I read your book this weekend and I quit my
job on Monday. People come to sizaying your book changed
my life, and every time like, look, my book did
not change your life. You change your life based on
some things that maybe you realize reading the book, but
you change your life and realizing that I could do right,
(09:00):
that could be a thing, that could be my job.
And my now co founder Los America, just phenomenally human being.
I've known him for ten years from the travel industry.
He had launched booking dot Com in North America back
when it was one hundred and million dollar companies seventeen
years ago. It's now one hundred and forty billion dollar
company as he scaled it over nearly two decades. And
(09:24):
he's he's a really top performing competitive runner, Master's runner.
And so we're both these kind of fitness health very focused.
What are the latest trends, what's the latest research following
all the all that's out there, And we said, you know,
as we look to move from travel, how could we
take everything that we're learning and doing and put that
(09:45):
to the benefit of others. And we looked at the
health of Wellness space and said, well, on one side,
health is not really help. It's it's the absence of disease.
And people, oh, I don't have diabetes, I'm healthy, or
I don't have cancer, I'm healthy. That is not being healthy.
That's just not having that sickness. Being healthy is thriving
at a different level than I think most people even
(10:06):
can fathom. You know, I had a friend that I
worked with at McKinsey who later said, you have no
idea how good I am Now.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I was so s.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Part I learned I had a gluten intolerance and basically
for ten years it was like every day I woke
up hungover. I had no idea because that's just the
water I was swimming in. Well, once I pulled that out,
I'm so much smarter. I have so much more energy.
There's this next level that almost everybody has in them,
but they have no idea because they don't feel it
(10:37):
day to day. And that's the idea with a lively
dot com of saying, hey, we're not trying to tack
more years at the end of your life. We're not
trying to address when you're sick. You know their doctors
do that. What we want to do is help you
thrive with your best possible life today every day for
all of your days. And that's that's our mission. That's
what we're doing.
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Speaker 2 (11:27):
Welcome back to Prevention over Prescription with doctor k. I
love it so much because we have spent so little
time on how to be optimal. And it's as you said,
you don't realize how crappy you feel or or what
your potential is because because often we don't think about it,
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like I'm just thinking and reflecting about your your swimming experience.
Like I grew up, I didn't play I wasn't collegiate
or Olympian statue, but I played the competitive hockey and
we ate. It's like you said, we ate whatever. I'm
of that kind of that same era where it doesn't
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matter what you eat, calories or calories. There was no
thought on the quality of food, your macros, like in
terms of the like fueling yourself. And now I look
at the athletes. Now I got three boys that are
that are involved in sports, and you think about how
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to optimally set them up to succeed. It's it's like
we've done a complete one eight when it comes to
this concept. So I am I'm really number one excited
about this because of it's it's what we need. But
before getting into some of the details the mindset aspect
we don't on our show, I haven't really dived enough
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into it. I'm curious when you read that book as
or listen to that those tapes as an athlete that
help you jump take things to the next level, what
were some of the central themes there and did they
overlap with your book Get Out of my.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Head in some ways yes, but almost inverse on the
relating to the book. So it wasn't until I was
at a conference in December of twenty twenty that I
even realized what those tapes in two thousand and two
thousand and one were doing. Had no idea. These were
just tapes after practice I would listen to and literally
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they were cassette tapes because that's old I am, and
we just listen to them each day. And what it
was was hypnosis and back to most people don't know
what living and feeling optimally feels or looks like. It's
if we can't see it. A lot of times we
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can't in fision it. We don't think there's a better
world because we haven't seen it, we haven't felt it ourselves.
Seeing truly is leaving. And so the whole idea with
these taps and the hypnosis was you got into this
state of not sleep but hypnosis where it opened up
your mind to be way more receptive and you would
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start envisioning moving because it was very specific to swimming
faster than was humanly possible, like just and so smooth,
so easy. It's just you were seeing you were living
that race and feeling it and seeing it, and so
you every day we're seeing it. So it was believing, wait,
I can do that, and I went out in the
first race. If you're like, oh my god, what is
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this guy doing because for eight months I'd seen this.
I believe I can do this from wire to wire.
I can just do it. I can Bobby think this
bad way. And so that a little bit was the
opposite of get out of my head, because it's incepting
things to put in your head. Versus saying, hey, I'm
not going to take these outside ideas, it was saying no,
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there are some ideas that we're going to put in there.
And there's still your ideas. You're going to own them,
but I'm going to steer you to these really positive
loops that are going to start telling you stories of
what is possible because you have been getting in your way.
Your body can do the things. I mean, golf, what
percent of golf do you think is mental versus physical?
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So much of this.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Stuff, Oh my goodness, yeah, yeah, like it's it's this
is one of the I mean, I feel like we're
in the same demographic. But we as athletes in our day,
we weren't. There was no psychologists. There really wasn't that
that element of I shouldn't say there's no I wasn't
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aware of that being a major part of what we do.
And and now it would almost be a sin not
to have a sports psychologist on any organization sports team.
It's like it's so heavy, Like, I know, hockey the
best right goalies? Are you kidding me? One year you're
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the lights out? Next year you are? You see what's happening?
We saw like it's so it's it's such an important element.
So so give us a sense, and Andrew, and we'll
get into lively in a second here. But because I
haven't got a chance to get out of my head,
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which is my next read obviously, But what are some
of the key principles that help navigate people like that?
Because I think this is a really important topic in
terms of literally getting out of our heads. Yeah, so it.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Depending on the conversation I've been having, I always say,
well here's here's a good place to start because it
is so personal. But the book is really broken into
three sections, and it's about the first section, the obvious
one evicting the tenants that are other people who are
the tenants you're letting live rent free and head right,
Like we can't dictate who walks by our front door
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down the street, but we do get to decide if
we open our door let them come in and start
rating our refrigerator and sitting on our couch. We can
do that with our home. We can also do that
with our mind, but we don't. We just let anybody
who wants to come by and just hop in, and
a lot of times they don't know it. The guy
who cuts you off in traffic, they just put you
in a bad mood for the next two hours. He
does not know you exist. He didn't even see your car,
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right Like, he literally has no idea you're out there.
But you just hand it over your mindset to that guy.
So the first section is how do we deal with that?
The section is events and circumstances outside our control. So
it might not be individuals, but it could be you know, weather, events, sport, outcomes,
all these kinds of things. How and why do we
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let those on our mood, our mindset, and how do
we take control? And then the third one is actually
the most difficult, and that's different or imagine versions of ourselves,
right the self that we think think our parents wanted
us to be, the self that we think we should
have been or could be, and that voice that's in
our head that's holding us back, and what I do
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in the book is gets into the science behind why
each of these things are true and why these are
not new, quoting from Taoism, Judaism, still Ism, Buddhism and
thinks thousands of years old, like, look, these people were
dealing with this a long time ago, and they had
these solutions and then profiling what that looks like in
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modern society. So the founder of Docu sign Bernice King,
doctor Martin Luther, King's junior's daughter, social activists, artists, entrepreneurs, olympians, right,
these people taking these principles and applying them in a
modern context and what those results look like, what that
path looks like. But then there's such a big gap
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between reading a book and affecting change or you go
here a talk, Oh my god, this is amazing. We
feel so energetic, and next week looks just like the
week before. And so very specifically wanted to make this
about action. How do you change? And so every chapter
has an exercise with a worksheet of here's the work
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to do, because mindset and stress management is not different
than physical fitness or nutrition, and that we don't go
to the gym for a day, a week or a
year and say I'm set, I did my physical fitness
good for the rest of my life. We don't eat
healthy vegetables and plants and meats for a week or
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a month or a year and say great, it's cheeburgers
and Frenchies. Here on that because I did the healthy thing,
like I tick that box. We understand that is an
ongoing process that requires work, and mindset is the exact
same thing. It requires the same work. And so this
is where these worksheets come in. And so it's there's
a free workbook that comes along with it, so say hey,
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pull these out. This can be stuff you go back to.
And then to make it even easier, I made a
custom GPT that I made publicly available on chat GPT
so you can just do it all with AI where
it'll coach you through the exercise depending what you're working on.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Brilliant, brilliant. And I personally see the link directly with
thriving because as we alluded to stress management, mindset all
ties into optimal living. I see it as an ICU
doc regularly those that are stressed and what that impact
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that has on their health. Like I've literally seen stress
kill people. Yeah, and so I think this approach is
could be so valuable to so many of us. I'm
curious to hear even just one example of something that
we could do on a worksheet, like I'll give it,
I'll give it that. I was ironically, I was listening
to a book on Stoicism, yes, and I was having
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this exact same I was taking actually talked to my
wife about this because you know, I was like, I
love the Stoic philosophy. I feel like this is something
that we could all embrace, like take that adversity and
and don't be fearful of it and use that as
as fuel, or use it and use it in a
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way that could help with growth and look as a
growth opportunity. But then I was given an example of this,
this uh of a of a colleague of mind that
just pissed me off, like just you know, just said
something rude, and I'm trying to let it go. But
at the same time, I'm telling myself, I want to
rip into this, dude. I'm like this and it's as
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you said, it's funny, it's taking up two hours of capital,
and in my brain, I'm just pacing and I'm wanting
to throw something. But yeah, of course, as an example,
what would be a the how you would navigate that
through with whatether your worksheets or some of the principles
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to alleviate that from your bandwidth.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yes, I mean in that very specific case, that person
did not piss you off. It was your reaction to
what that person did piss you off. Right, So there's
an objective truth of that person said these words. That
person did this thing. That is a fact that happened.
Then what comes after that is used internally and there's
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two separate worlds, right, there's the one, Hey, this is
a one off thing that this happened a time. So
the person equivalent the person cuts you off and trying.
You don't know the person never see the person again, right,
And maybe this person's not done this before, they're a
new colleague. They just did this thing, and in that instance,
it's creating a narrative of why would the person do
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that thing. People don't do things that they think are
wrong or bad. So when we maybe go through a
pink light slightly yellow, slightly red, when we do the things,
oh it's because I'm late to get my kid from school.
Whatever it is, like there's a story of I have
a really good reason why I shouldn't be doing this.
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And we don't give that to other people. We only
judge them by their actions, not their intentions. And so
coming up with the story of hey, why could this
be a good thing to that person makes it way easier, like, hey,
you know, they may be rushing, they may have a
pregnant the spouse in the car that they're getting in
the hospital. Like, I don't know their story, but let
me come up with a gracious, generous story. And for me,
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that just diffuses a whole thing, like, okay, like they're
taking care of their thing. If it's an ongoing behavior,
right this klie, Hey man, this happens all the time,
then it's separating out. Okay, this person does my response
to it? What control do I have. I can't change
that person. I can't make that person. But what I
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can do is share the impact of their words or
actions on me and maybe others that I see around them. Say,
when you do X, very specifically, here's how it's perceived,
at least by me, and here's the outcome of that.
It makes me less likely to want to help you
or work with you. I'm sure you're coming from a place,
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but is there another way to have this kind of
conversation or interaction that doesn't result in this outcome. And
just because again, you can't change a person, but you
can change how you react and how you communicate because
they may have no clue or they may they may
once the mirror is held up, like, oh my god,
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I could see how that would make people think I'm
an asshole. Like I'm not an asshole. I know because
I know my story behind here's why I do all
this stuff. But I could see someone from the outside
that this is all they're saying. That could be what
they would take away from this interaction. And that's not
the kind of person I want to be. But it's
being direct within in a loving way, right, not going of,
(25:10):
hey I want I'm trying to embarrass you with this.
Anything is saying look, I'm assuming you're coming from a
good place, but let me share with you when you
do this, what the results are and is that really
what you're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
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Speaker 2 (25:55):
It's brilliant because it shifts your mindset to you to
a more compassionate one and the more loving one where
you're you're less angry, You're gonna be you're gonna be
more more understanding. And that other point to Andrew about
folks not realizing their impact. I can't count how many
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times that the conversation with with folks saying like do
you realize what you're saying? Or it comes across as X,
Y or Z and and they're like, oh man, I
mean it's happened to myself too, where someone.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Because you're a human being, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
And am I ever grateful for people to open up
and and and and mention these things. So it's a
great point, Andrew. I I mean, I feel like I've
been keeping people on x shell a little bit a
lively dot on this when you when I started to
hear about this out to me, I was, I was like,
(26:54):
this is brilliant, and I can't believe in somebody and
some ways that this hasn't been more people haven't tried
to replicate this, but this is such a good idea.
So maybe give us a sense of what alively dot
com is all about.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, so a lively dot com is about enabling and
empowering anyone to live healthier, longer. So if we think
about health, we think about wellness. It's a super amorphous thing.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Right.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Health could be absence to disease.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
It could be.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Medicine treating sickness. Right, there's so many labels that now
go around health and the healthcare system that mostly is
treating sickness. They're like, is that what health is? Then wellness?
Wellness could be a yoga retreat, it could be a
medspot right, again, very very vague. So we try to
look at it and say what do people actually care about?
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And longevity has kind of been the bonds, and we
see longevity is two buckets. One live longer, right how
long you live lifespan, and the other is live healthier
the health span side through those years. Most people aren't
great about planning into the future. And if you go say, hey,
let's help you on lifespan, like, I don't know if
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I want another five years from ninety two to ninety seven,
Like I see those people and maybe that's not what
I want. But if you say, hey, would you like
to feel better today when you're ninety would you rather
feel like what you see sixty five year olds feeling
like and acting like today and say, oh that that
sounds pretty good. And by the way, in doing the
things you need for that every day today is going
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to be better too, not worse, but better. Okay, Well,
I like the sound of that. So A Lively is
very much around that, this idea of health span, and
we love it because there's a clear structure to it.
There are five core pillars fitness, how we're moving our body, nutrition,
how we're fueling our body, our mindset, how and what
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we put into our mind, our sleep and recovery, how
we rest and recharge our body. And then the fifth
one that I think needs the most attention right now
because it's getting the least attention and it's just as
impactful and important as the others, is our social connection
and our purpose. It's what we put into the world.
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So when you talked about stress causing sickness, going back
and forth, people are starting to get that mind body
connection right of hey, gut, our microbiome can actually cause schizophrenia.
So the body can feed the mind, the mind can
feed the body, and sickness, but there's a third leg
to this stool, which is not just mind body all
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inside this shell. It's how we interact with this broader
world around us, because we are social creatures. And I
don't think it's an accident with the loneliness epidemic, with
people pulling more into themselves and away from faith based organizizations,
from civic organizations, from all these things that we're seeing
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rises in depression and suicide attempts and all these things.
We are not made. We're meant to be isolated creatures,
and so that is a hugely important pillar that we
explicitly try to cover and get in there. And so
the idea is, hey, it's a marketplace, but not a
marketplace of the twenty or twenty tens where it's say, hey,
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we're going to get all the books or all the
DVDs and then you have a search for and you've
got to go figure out the entire world yourself. It's saying, wait,
are thermostats know what temperature we want it when we
want it. Our playlists know what music to play for
us based on time and data in our movement. Our beds,
right if you have an eight sleep or chili bed
like they adapt to the temperature we need while we sleep.
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Why in the world would my marketplace say, oh, just
go search the universe. It's all right here, versus with
all the data we're capturing and throwing off, being able
to tell us, oh, based on what you've been doing,
what you want to achieve, here is the thing to
work on. Let me go help you with that until
we make that a habit, and then we'll move on
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to the next one. And so Lively is very much
partnering in a marketplace, in a new model marketplace, to
create that curated personalization to help you live healthier, longer,
every single day of your life.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Brilliant, brilliant. Like it's I love that point too of
the personalization. Like everything else you get fed on what's
optimal for you, but your wellness in general, which you,
of all people, Andrew knows this can't be a cookie
cutter solution for for so many folks. Yeah, Like, it's
going to be about what pillar needs optimization, needs to
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be optimized, and which ones can maybe be compromised a
little bit more. But so walk me through the process.
So I go on, I'm curious about Lively. I'm I'm
wanting to live a healthier lifespan. What what what is
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the process as a consumer? What happens?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yes, so today how the consumer would find a lively
is through our partnerships with what we call health and
wellness role models. So we mentioned these five pillars there are.
Let's say, how do most people decide to try something
new or do something new? And the answer, Sorry, so.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I thought you were asking, but yeah, ahead, no, no.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
No answer answer because answer is always the same.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I feel like they just go on to social feed
and the IG's telling them exactly what they got to
be a carnivore right now or whatever. Think it's just yeah,
it's it's.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
They hear it from people they trust. Right, So it
was five years ago, ten years ago, it was your
friend that really knew this one area and they would
tell you, hey, you got to try this new price,
this new server. It was fifty thousand years ago, the
caveman to his buddy saying, look, I ate this last
week and it didn't kill me. You should totally try it.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
It was always people you trust, recommen, you should try
this new thing. You're like, okay, I'll give it a go.
This person I trusted, I was just talking to an investor.
It's like, oh, I'm different than everybody else because I'll
hear it, but then I go run it by this
kind of physician and this kind of homeopath and the spider.
Like you just named a whole bunch of people you trust.
It's the exact same thing. It's always been the same.
That's how humans are. They go off of people they trust,
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which could be the algorithm, it could be someone you
specifically follow. And so we partner with these people you
already trust. You already follow them because you say, hey,
like you quadro, I trust this guy's healthy living, I
trust the things, the research he's doing, the end of
one test he's doing. I trust what he's doing. And
so we profile these people not just on the pillar
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where they're typically known, right, and so we have the
fitness freaks. It put amazing workout videos like great, how
did you get into this? What's your favorite workouts? What
kind of at home equipment do you have or what
do you travel with? But you must also think about
how you fuel your body. Are there any supplements you take,
what brands do you use, and why do you supplement
with protein? Are you getting enough? How do you think
(34:02):
about rustling recovery, what's your sleep routine, like, what's your
sleep hygiene link? Which what is each night or each
morning like around that, And so we profile them across
and then we create custom pages for them where we
can bundle that together so that people who say, hey,
I trust this person Lively never heard of it. I'm
not sure I trust them, but I trust this person.
And here is them on video talking about here's what
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I use, Here's why I do it, Here's the impact.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Of what I do.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
And so that's how you would find us. Typically, as
the consumers, you're already following someone you trust. They're talking about, Hey,
here are the things I do, and you can get
all of it at a lively dot com check out
my page.
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Speaker 2 (35:14):
I mean, I feel like this is what I do already.
I have a handful of people that online I trust
some of them. I've met some of them, haven't met
Rob Wolf as an example. I'm a big fan of
Rob Wolf Huberman. I've been into a lot of his stuff,
Peter Tia, a lot of like everyone with the especially
tying with the longevity stuff. But yeah, you're always curious
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to what they're doing themselves to try and opt to
live optimally.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, and you know, no, sorry, but I go back
to you know, the Black Swanguay and a some talib oh.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah. Yeah, so you know he.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Always has this line, don't give me investment advice, show
me your portfolio. I don't care what you say. I
care what you do. Where's your money? And this is
the same of he don't tell me what affiliate partnerships
you've worked out, tell me what it is you use
and do. That's I want to see your portfolio.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, yeah, it's true, because yeah, I mean it's kind
of it was. Actually what I was listening to on
the Still Is, ironically, in the Still book I was
reading or listening to, was it's about your action. It's
about what you do in so many ways, not what
you're saying. And I think i'd like to think a
lot of people and that are of influence you know,
(36:30):
walk the way. What's the expressional I'm trying to say,
walk the talk? Yeah, yeah, walk the talk. I mixed
metaphors horribly all the time, but yeah, walk the talk.
But there's no guarantee of that. So what are some
of the if you're comfortable mentioning Andrew, like some of
the influencers that you've been excited about to see join lively.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
This is a beautiful thing of It's opened my eyes
so much so I had this whole series. Is whether
it's yoga instructors of people that I found during the
pandemic when I couldn't get out and I started following
them to lymphatic massages, to now health coaches and metabolic
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coaches that were dancers, and so I'd be asking like,
how do you know? You say you just kind of
decide what to do that day in the gym, Well,
how do you know what you should be doing? And
consistently these dancers, these yoga teach others. I listened to
my body. Huh, listen to your body. So as a
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distance from it, I raced for the US in ten kilometer
twenty five kilometer races. These canna be five plus hour races.
So much of my life was turning off that signal
from my body to my mind. You didn't want to
hear the noise because you had to fight through it
better than anybody else. And so this has been this
huge learning process. So people like Nicole Wilde, Lauren Sampataro,
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The Length Length Girl, they just opened my eyes. Oh wow,
there's this language I probably knew as a child, but
I haven't spoken it in so long. I'm going to
have to relearn that language. I got to go back
to studying that language. So for me, those who have
probably been alex Ellis is another one that just have
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really helped me on my journey around that.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Wow, wow, I can't wait to dive into this because
just I feel like there's just so many gems in
here of curious. Also, then Andrew has a what's either
in any of the pillars in the last saying year
in the calendar year that you've adjusted pivoting it added
(39:00):
to that has made a difference in your in your
own world because I I I'm getting a glimpse of
your life here. You're you know, you're obviously an entrepreneur,
You're you're having to wear a lot of hats, here
and you're running this amazing company. Imagine you get pulled
in a lot of directions and and and so to
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live that optimal life sometimes it's it's hard when you're busy. So, yeah,
I'm curious, Right, that's right, I love it. Uh what
in the last year saying has made a big difference
for you as well? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:38):
For me, it's it is that fifth pillar, the social
connection on purpose and so this, this is something I
think I was more blind to, right for like I
was saying early on, for me, health was fix, nutrition, sleep,
that could all come later. It was fix. And then
you start learning some more about nutrition, and then you
start learning some more about then Spanish man and mindset.
(40:01):
But the social connection side, I didn't have time for that. Right.
If I went to the gym, I deliberately put headphones in,
saying I'm here to do work. I don't care if
you want to be my friend, whatever, I have X
number of minutes to be here. I'm going to get
my physical fit and I'm going back to the office.
I'm going to crank work. This is the focus. And
then I started understanding the research better, understanding the science better.
(40:23):
Oh wait, this isn't this side project. This is on
par and on even with fitness and nutrition. Is this
social connection purpose? I need to think about this. So
how did I change my day to day? Well, now
in the gym, I don't wear headphones. I've made a
bunch of friends, right, you take them off, have conversation.
(40:43):
Maybe Oh man, I took another twenty five seconds rest
between those sets. That's okay because I'm making the social
connection as meaning I live most of the time in Bermuda,
would swim in the ocean every day. I don't have
to commute. I just go down to my dock and
I'm swimming. There were friends that would constantly, hey, we
swim at launch. You should come swim with no. No, no,
because that's going to take me however long to get
there and get back, and it's not going to be
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as good a workout as if I just do on
my own. Realizing no, there's value in doing that and
getting in the laughs that you have between sets and
mixing it up and so really deliberately cultivating that social
connection and purpose for me has been huge. And I
mean back on the purpose side, moving into this business, right,
(41:25):
all my other businesses, there was a tangential purpose like
this bigger thing of Hey, if I do this, it's
going to help this other thing kind of down the line.
But they were capitalistic endeavors, right like you're going, you're
building a company doing this, whereas what I'm doing with
the lively, I'd be doing this anyway. Right. This is
this is how I would spend each day. This is
(41:46):
the number of people asking, hey, can you just can
you just give me your nutrition routine? Hey? Can can
you tell me your workout? Like I keep spreadsheets of
all this just to share with people. Hey, you know,
And that's where you don't have to be a Huberman
or a Tea to be influential or be a role
model with someone else. Like sometimes the most influential or
(42:07):
role model asked person is a person you personally know.
You say, hey, I know where we started, and I
know that we've since diverged, and I want to get
closer to what that person's doing on social connection or man,
they really seem to manage stress better than I do.
I wonder what their practices are, what could I learn
from that? And so that creating a platform to enable
(42:29):
that kind of sharing and that kind of visibility and
that kind of insight is I can't imagine a better
way to spend each day.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Oh man, this is you're creating magic in so many
people's world. And I must say to Andrew, that's the one,
especially during the pandemic, that's the one lever the connection
piece that I feel was sacrificed to a certain degree.
(42:58):
I mean, we were lucky in some ways because we
had to go to work, we had to be we
were together, we had a purpose, so there was some
tons of fulfillment there. But the idea of especially many
of your close friends, no one wanted to see you
right and now you were you got you almost lose
(43:19):
that muscle you were talking about. Some of these areas
like the mindset that you have to exercise. I feel
like the connection muscle, too, is something that atrophies if
you haven't seen people in a while, you get used
to being more isolated. And so yeah, to get back
into it as sounds like you've been doing a good
job of creating the environment for it. But that that's
(43:43):
another one I think if I think many of us
over the last couple of years anyway, I needed to
try and optimize for sure.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah, I mean a couple of things on that front.
I was having dinner with a friend last night and
making this exact point. Look, nurse is a powerful force
in both directions, whether from lack of movement or once
you have for backward motion. And in any given instance,
it will be easier to sit on the couch and
watch Netflix. That's always easier. It takes less energy, Like
(44:17):
I'm tired, But you know what, that's that's not the
life you want. Life has lived off the couch. Life
is experienced off the couch with other people and building
those memories. So just kind of pushing yourself, even even
with what I know. There was this Christmas party last
December and my ex wife I was. It was rainy,
it was dark, I was we were going through a time.
(44:38):
I was like, I just I just really don't feel
like it's like, no, you need this, you need to go.
And even what I knew is okay, I'm gonna trush
you on this. And I went and it was the
best night of them. I had so much fun. It
was hard to pull me away. I just talking to
you is so wonderful. And we can know these things
intuitively or intellectually, but acting on them is not always
(45:00):
is natural. Sometimes you have to do things that are
overcoming that initial hurdle to start building that positive inertia
in your favor.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Absolutely, oh Man, Edrew, this has been an absolute joy
to talk about this, and once again I feel like
I'm talking to kindred spirit or whatever the term. But yeah,
I really appreciate your coming on and talking about the
(45:32):
amazingness of Lively. So why don't let us know how
we could connect with you, where people could get walstre
Journal best selling shirt out of my head all these things?
What can people connect with you?
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Yeah, so connect with me. I'm most active on LinkedIn.
It's under m Andrew McConnell's same instagram is m Andrew
McConnell alivelies mostly under I am alive. So the idea like, hey,
I am a Lively dad, I am a Lively yoga instructor,
I am a Lively surfer grandma, right, Like, see yourself
(46:09):
in this life, living that life? What is that life
you're trying to live? But that's on Instagram, TikTok, Twitter,
et cetera. And then my my website and Andrew McConnell
dot com. You'll have links out you can get the book.
On Amazon, Barnes and Noble, any any place that good
books are sold. And for those that like listening, there's
a there's Kendle, and there's Audible as well, so you
(46:30):
can get the audio versions as well.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Perfect. I don't know about you, guys, but I am
definitely a listener. Andrew, thank you again for joining us
on the show. This was been, This was awesome, and look,
I know this won't be the last time we connect
my friend.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Absolutely, it was. It was wonderful. Pat thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
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little bit more jumping your step after that episode. Thanks
for listening. Talk will soon pace. Yeah, it's like, if
(47:36):
you want to ride with me, you don't even know
what right is looks, if you want to get clean,
you want to get thirty, you want to go left right.
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This is what we don't want us to knock. Let's just.
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