Ep 297: WWE Night of Champions Recap. AEW Dynamite 300 This Week. All The Latest News.

Episode 297: We look back at WWE Night of Champions...bad booking make CM Punk look dumb. AEW presents the 300th episode of Dynamite this week. All the latest news and more.












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Speaker 1 (00:05):
What's up, everybody, Welcome back. It is pro Wrestling after Hours.
I'm Michael Carlile, joined as always by Micah Frankel. Micah
was shaken man.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
The tongue in tree because as much as it shakes,
you just keep going. Another one falls off, and another
one falls off, and another one falls off.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
I think that's borderline racist, my man.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm just judging by how often Bloodline members. It seems
like sometimes you shake it, you get you get one
or two off, and then you gotta shake for a
while for that one from Japan all the way. Come
on down to the main roster. UH.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
You're talking about Hickeeleo, who may well he actually, I
guess technically debuted a couple of weeks ago on main event,
but his main roster I guess debut at the UH
at the Night of Champions this past week. Not under
the name Hickeeleo though.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
No. Now he's tall Tonga to join Tom Tonga and
Tonga loa somehow wherever Tonga in your name is, you
are Tongan.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
He's not tall Tonga or is it Tala Tala Tala? Yeah,
he is tall, but it's tala.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, he's taller than all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Okay, I guess I was trying to look up his
height real quick. I don't see it, but yes.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Nine, I think probably solid six nine. I think no,
they'll say seven foot.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
No fucking way in hell you think he's.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Taller or shorter shorter? Oh okay, I'm like, I've heard
six nine, maybe six eight.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
He's built as six eight, which means he's probably six
five or six eight. He's still tall. Yeah, well we
don't have to sit here in dispute whether or not
he's a tall man.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
So yeah, Tala of the Tongian's. But either way, I
I didn't love the choke slim. Did you like the
choke slimb? I don't think I love the choke slamb. No.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
No, If you were looking for for a good watch shaken,
I would have went with apparently Darby Allen after climbing
Mount Everest and all that, he's going to Shark Week.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I'm shaking in my boots because of that. I thought
you were gonna tell me I should go with basic punkinomics.
That that was shake.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
No, Darby's gonna be on something during Shark Week called
Cult Sharks Strike Back. That'll be on July twenty fourth,
during Shark Week. I'm assuming at some point we'll actually
get Darby back on ae WTV. They typically do. They're

(02:35):
very good at corporate synergy. I'm certain they're doing a
Shark Week theme for Dynamite and Collision that week. Maybe
that's how we bring Darby back. I don't know if
he's not back before, but yeah, Darby Allen headed to
Shark Week because hey, climbing the largest mountain in the
world ain't enough. Let's go fuck with some.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Sharks bucket list shit. Darby bucket list. Allen is just
all in on everything that he can be all in on.
I mean, you know, just like anyone you know, varied interest,
just like who Nusium Punk had a second personality as

(03:14):
a as a lyricist or a memorizer. Because I don't
know if all those bars were off the top of
his head.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
I'm guessing they weren't. Also, before we get too deep in,
let's send out some congratulations to Mike Bennett and Maria
Knelis as their family is growing. They are expecting a child,
so good for them. No, you're you're anti Mike Bennett
and Maria Canellis.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
I was trying to get a far enough away from
the mic that you can hear me sneezing, So that
that's why I didn't have a prompt congratulations to the
Bennetts child number three way to go through building their
own kingdom and.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Probably already better than last kingdom. But yeah, I guess,
and that's undisputed. Well, we got a lot to get to.
Let's stop making these dumb puns. It was a busy week,
Another busy week coming up. Let's jump right in w

(04:17):
W E Micah. This past weekend was in Saudi Arabia
Night of Champions. Before we get too deep into that,
since you brought it up twice, and for various reasons
that I'm not even sure of, I ignored it twice.
See them Punk, Basic, thugonomics, Punkinomics. I didn't hate it,

(04:44):
but after what happened at the Premium Live event, I
think it makes it look even goofier. But that's just me.
You had John Cena the week before Recoate did easy
for me to say, recreate the pipe bomb promo. Oh,
so it only made sense that Punk would come back
and do his version of an old school sena disrap.

(05:09):
Whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
I guess, I guess that's just what I felt. Just,
I guess just it felt really weird and really out there,
and maybe some of it made sense, but I don't know.
It's just jaw dropping to me for not the right reasons.

(05:32):
It kind of more felt like one of those things
like a car ac man, where you're like, I should
stop looking and concentrate on the road. But I kind
of helped myself to keep watching it because I just it.
To me, it was just not good.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Oh, it was fine to me. The bigger story that
we would see in punk is how much of a
fucking hypocrite he is, Which, look, it's fine. We all
do what we got to do when we have a job,
so I don't even like hate on it too much
for it. But you went way out of your way
to condemn people for going to Saudi Arabia and wrestling,

(06:06):
assuming you'd never be back. There would never be in
that situation, and a second you were in that situation,
your ass was on the plane heading over.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
So is it okay if I give him a raper nickname? Sure,
he is r S Punk. He is no longer CUM
punk when he's there, he is r S Punk Real
Season Punk.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Oh, I got you, I got you, I got you.
We'll talk about Punk's match with Sena in a minute.
We kicked off Night of Champions with the King of
the Ring Men's final, Cody Roads and Randy Orton. Neither
one needed it. You kind of knew which one was
gonna get it, and in the end, I guess we

(06:50):
get King Cody.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
King Cody, a little bit of a venomous smile coming
from the viper, Randy Orton going for the chair, Randy
Orton going for the turnbuckle. Die. Randy Orton must be
caring and looked like he was a little agitated with Cody,
who was trying to give him a shout out. Well
he walked up the ramp. I I won't be too

(07:15):
surprised if we get a John cena ally here at
some point, and maybe Randy Orton costs Cody at SummerSlam.
I know it's doesn't make any sense, but I just
don't feel like Randy Orton's mannerisms were of a I'm
proud of you, Cody for overcoming me. Go on and
get Johnny.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
That's interesting because it ain't in Randy Orton's character to
be gracious in defeat or anything like that. But I
also think it would be a huge mistake on the
part of WWE to turn Randy Orton heel, And if
I'm Randy Orton, I won't other than maybe wrestling him,
I want no part about that. This damn John Cena,

(07:57):
he'll turn shit. Because it's been such an unmitigated disaster,
I don't want to be associated with it in that way.
That being said, I'm not saying you're wrong by any stretch.
It could very well play out that way. Seem like
they might have been planning some seeds, but I think
that would be a huge mistake.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Or maybe if it's not even directly Randy screwing Cody
to assist John, maybe it's just time that we get
a deep feud between Cody and Randy.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Maybe I think Cody's got to get the belt back first.
But yeah, maybe we had a read boulevard street fight
Rihea Ripley versus Raquel Rodriguez. First of all, do you
really think there's a read boulevard somewhere there in the
Middle East?

Speaker 2 (08:53):
If there wasn't, they made one for the day.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Maybe maybe in the end, Rhea against the when she
probably needed it.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah. Whatever, Roxanne went out there, took a couple of
straight bullets, proved that she's still a team player for
the Judgment Day and will help Rokl. I thought that
pushed the storyline of the Judgment Day forward where it
needed to be. Uh. I got a little tired of
the match because I loved how Roqual was unmercifully beating

(09:24):
up Rhea tied up in the ropes for real, just
snap on her and right away come back. I I
it was, it was. It was a fine match for
what it.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Was, Sammy's Ain and carry and Cross. I actually enjoyed this.
And for everybody on social media says carry Across doesn't
take back bumps, he took a back bump and took
it on the outside, So suck it, Internet losers or something.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Sammy's ang, though, gets the win. Uh. Like I said,
I enjoyed the match. I would have liked to have
seen carry Across get the win, and it probably made
more sense for Samy to get it though.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
It was fine, It was good. It had literally been
so long since I've watched Carrying Cross in that setting
perform in the ring that I forgot how just how
methodical and slow the matches are with him. It was fine.
It's Sammy's pseudo hometown advantage. He needed to get the

(10:26):
win there, send the crowd home happy. That makes sense.
The long hard push that Triple Age has been putting
into Carrion Cross to tell us that he's not pushing
him is now resulting in matches for carrying Cross and
matches not on a just on peacock.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Right, and matches he doesn't win US title match. Jacob,
I'm sorry, did you want to respond to that?

Speaker 2 (10:52):
No, I just said, at least he's on. At least
he's on a match now. Incremental baby steps, and that's
why carrying Cross. I'll bring him backup in a moment.
I'm sure we're gonna get there.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, baby steps, baby steps. Jacob Fatu Solo Soca US Title.
Uh look, I get there's a renewed interest in Solo Soca,
and so I'm cool with all that. I did not
think this was the time to take the US title off,
Jacob Fatu Triple h thought otherwise. We mentioned the the

(11:24):
debut of the artists formerly known as Icleo to help
cost Fatu the match Solo gets to win. He is
your new US champion.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
That was not a smooth match. The additives on the outside,
things did not feel smoothly. Whether it was Mateo, Leo, Tongo,
whatever we want to call everybody from the other line
it was. It was not a smooth feeling performance for them.

(12:01):
And yeah, Jacob fot too. A lot of the luster,
it seems like, has come off. There's a renewed focus
on Solo and unfortunately for Solo, well maybe it's fortunately
for Solo, none of the guys around him have an
ounce of charisma, so his just looks like hot damn

(12:25):
in the middle of those three guys.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
I think he has charisma. I don't. I don't think
you're wrong, though. It stands out more when you're with
guys who don't really talk a lot and just look
big and minacing right.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
And just kind of uh. Even j C. Matteo to
this point doesn't feel that there's a lot special in
the aura coming out of the Island Slam anymore.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
But that's yeah, I don't know why. I don't know
why WW would do that.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, Jeff Cobb, he had some aura, He had some power,
he had some finesse. Even that debut, you could see
his ferocity, and now he very quickly looks like, well,
we know you can work better than Toma Tonga, but
you're not much stronger than Toma Tongaloway any of them anyway.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, quick sidebar. But along these lines, what's the difference
in them and Bronson Reid and bron Breaker because they
basically since putting those two with Paul Heyman and Seth Rollins,
they've done the same thing to them.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah a lot. Uh you try to give this aura
and this monster kind of feeling to bron Breaker, but
oh yeah, you're just the road Dog and Billy Gun
in this triple H equation. It's so frick You're gonna
get beaten up at some point. I know. They're a
lot more menacing, a lot tougher, a lot more villainous.
They're they're they're look like the AOP, but they're not

(14:00):
like just this destructive force like we've seen other tag
teams be. There's still this they are beatable element to
read and break her.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, Queen of the Ring Finals Osca Jade Cargill. Every
single bit of this when exactly how I thought it
was going to even right down to the average match. Okay,
match trying to be kind here. Cargill gets the win

(14:32):
and she will challenge Tiffy Stratton for the Women's championship
at SummerSlam.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
In a non biased opinion, that match was under WWE quality.
That match was under NST quality. Osca had to work
her ass off, and secondly, that pen was about two
and two and a half before Jade fell all the
way to we're back and flip opposite Oscar upside down
on the ref? Is this trying to hurry up the

(15:00):
count to three? And we just won't show the obvious
camera angle that shows Oscar halfway upside down when the
hand is being pinned. Whatever, Jade has the look. They
want to push Jade, and uh, Jade might be your
world champion in WWE.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
I mean, at this point you're so invested in it.
If you're WWE, I guess you kind of have to.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
But yeah, I'd like for them to be invested in
solid women's wrestling matches. But but like that, only we
only got that on half this card.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, nothing personal against Jade Cargill, but I think she
should be the poster child for just because the WWE
signs you doesn't mean you're ready we'll talk more AW
in a bit, but I think the Jade Cargill thing

(15:56):
really highlights how good of a job AW did at
masking her weaknesses and accentuating her strengths. Where WWE by
virtue of the style, the way they do business, they're
not interested in that. You wrestled there, we brought you
in here, We've done all this. You should be ready.

(16:19):
Whatever you say about Jade's WWE run, I think WWE
deserves as much, if not more blame than anyone because
they shouldn't be surprised. She wasn't that experienced that there
was going to be holes in her game, and they
really didn't see a reason to try to cover that

(16:39):
up like AW did.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
It would be great to see a Tiffy Stratton Jade
Cargill long intense rivalry that they could both grow from
an nxty know.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Then we got to the main events, see them Punk
versus John Cena, until we got all the stuff at
the end. I enjoyed the match. It might have been
Sena's best match since the heel turn, for whatever that's worth.
But everybody and their brother interferes, everybody and their brother

(17:20):
beats everybody and their brother down. We eventually get Punk
and Sena back in the ring and fucking see him.
Punk sticks out his hand to shake John Cena's hand,
and then John Cena shakes his hand, hugs him and
kicks him in the balls and gets the wind. Where

(17:41):
have we seen this before? And again I brought up
earlier about booking Punk. You made him look so fucking
stupid by shaking Punk's hand, I mean, shaking Assina's hand,
like everybody and their brothers all this coming. How did

(18:01):
see him? Punk not see this coming?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, that's a really good point. I mean the seth
Rawlins enemy of my enemy is my friend. I mean,
Rollins was gonna screw Seena. He was gonna stay out
of seeing his way. He was gonna let Sena run
off in the sunset so he was the only champion.
And then he turned on that on Sena and he
was involved in see his business. And then Sena and

(18:24):
Punk have to align against Rawlins, and maybe Sena has humanity.
I guess that's what they wanted us to believe. But
like you said, we've seen this very recently. Seth Rawlins
in with the curb stomp, John Cena cleans up the
trash able to pin see him punk. My biggest problem,

(18:46):
also one of my bigger problems, is that the referee
who was dead on the matt somehow they knew the
exact moment. He wasn't even getting up groggy. He just
shot in like a rocket and made the pinfall. He
was the tongue of li of referee moves. How about
did you get it right? I'll just do it.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
How about the bump Charles Robinson took when he was
running down?

Speaker 2 (19:10):
That's the opposite. That shit looks heavy. That shook my
heart And I don't know if it was so photoshop,
but supposedly he stayed laying there for like ever afterwards,
which I get the gimmick, I get the funny, I
get the the artistry of it. Why does no one
care that like eight hundred people are intervening in the
main event in the back and only one referee came out.

(19:31):
What is Pearson all this doing? That's so busy? Are
they having to take the Triple H photos with the
winning talents to the King and Queen? Like? Are they
needed to do that social media stuff right then? Because
Triple H is busy? Like, like, what is more important
than the main event.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Maybe yes, Charles Robinson very clearly laid there until the
end of the match. He sold the hell out of that.
You're right, the other referee who was left for dead,
the original referee all of a sudden springs in to
the ring like nothing encountered the pinfall. I just you

(20:05):
had that build. Look, say what you want about Punkinomics,
say what you want about seen this pipe bomb. But
they at least got over. They hated each other. The
only way Sena would give him the title shot is
he had to go to Saudi Arabia to get it.
And so Punk's like, wow, everybody's just interfered. We're still here.
Let's shake hands and hug it out, my man. That

(20:26):
would have never happened. You just made Punk look so
damn stupid, more stupid when you made him apologize to
Saudi Arabia for the things he said.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
You know, basic Punkinomics right there, Do what you're told,
no matter how goofy it looks, no matter how out
of character it is. It's your new character to be
out of character Punk, and they made that very apparent
in Saudi Arabia this week.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Uh well, look, I don't even think the Punkinomics promo
was necessarily all that out of character. It made sense
with the story again, you know, after Sina does his
version of the pipe bomb promo, So all right, you're
stealing our promo. I'm gonna one up you and steal
your promo. That even if he look goofy, and he

(21:19):
looked a little goofy, let's be honest, but at least
that made sense. Only well, only a complete fucking imbecile
would have said, oh, let's shake hands, John Cena, don't
kick me in the balls. I trust you now. No.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
No, it's a kinder, gentler, apologetic punk. He apologizes to
Saudi Arabia. He thought, him and John Cena, we'll just
cut the years down the middle and bygones will be
bygones right away. Let me leave the promo out of it.
It's just a punk that's a little gullible. You're apologizing here,

(21:53):
bygones be bygones there. I've got no good reason for it. Yeah,
it was silly. It doesn't make a lot of sense
if I did, though I did, I was gonna say
I did. Like the massive stage entrance from Saudi Arabia.
They shout out guys from making w W feel like
WWE again uh and also the old school ring where

(22:14):
we didn't have the UH over glorified like things around
the UH metal turbuckle poles did. There was just some
things that felt bigger again on their entrance, like a
a premium live event normally does. I'm guessing that was
due to the arena.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
I'm guessing it was due to they had to decide
what they were shipping over and what they weren't. Probably
more than anything, if I'm being completely honest, I didn't
really enjoy this premium live event. That there were good
moments on it, but the absurdity of the main event
again after what was probably seen as best match at

(22:57):
least since the heel turn, it just it ruined it
for me. There's no way any rational thinking person would
have been so gullible, But damn if they didn't make
Punk go out and do it, that just that killed
it for me. I didn't enjoy the women's King of
the Ring match, so you ended. Look, I thought Solo

(23:20):
in Fatu was good. I actually enjoyed Orton and Cody
quite a bit. How can you not, even if it
was to be the King of the Ring. So I
mean that there were good moments on the show, but
all in all, I would have just as soon seen
Money in the Bank premium live event again or something.

(23:43):
I I thought this was more of a miss than
anything for WWE.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
It's a low mark for me. It's a miss. Only
other thing I wanted to bring up before we got
like into reviewing the whole event, just one more thinking
about the main event? When was the last time we
had a main event that you can recall where we
didn't have eight hundred additives and preservatives on top of
the match, Like I feel like this was overproduced, Like, okay,

(24:11):
there is a seth rawlins cumpunk angle, but if you
could have left this cmpunk John Cena, I think my
view of the match would be a lot higher that
one and two. When was the last time we had
a main event that was just A and B not
A to B two C and we got to bring

(24:32):
out eighteen people two referees? Why do we got to
do that all the time?

Speaker 1 (24:37):
And that's a very fair point because we had the
same thing at Money in the Bank where you had
everybody and the brother interfere and nobody seemed to give
a shit. At some point you don't call for the
bell and it's a disqualification. At some point Triple h
Adam Pearce, somebody doesn't come out. Hey, you assholes, get

(24:57):
out of here. You're ruining my main event. Go back
to the back, Like we just sit back and let
all this happen.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
It doesn't make much sense to me. Why is it
a constant chaos? I understand there are sometimes some feud
some matches that need it, but to a disservice, it
was like, okay, every Roman reigns match. And then I
was like, well, well, this is just a Roman rains thing.
The Raines kind of exit and start happening in the
Cody matches. Cody does out of the title, It's happening

(25:29):
in the scene of matches, and I'm like, well, wollo,
w w, let's just do a singles match. You got
some good workers. They can do it, I promise you.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Ah yeah, maybe we'll get that that clean finish this Saturday,
on Saturday Night's main Event or next Saturday, I'm sorry,
on Saturday Night's made Event with with Gunther and Goldberg.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
You know, you know when Sampunk storms down to the
ring on Monday night and just pushed over that little
wamp Gunther. I mean, what are you the world's heavyweight champion,
A British I mean a German wrestling crushing machine. To
see him, Punk just emasculated you threw you down. I

(26:16):
feel like every step forward there's a step back for Gunther,
and I don't know who's doing it.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well. I mean they gave him the belt back so
that they gotta like him a little bit.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
But yeah, I was like, oh, oh, Punk just pushed
you down like it was nothing. Don't don't go, don't
get any mean Punk's way. We know that.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
I mean could have been worse. Punk could have tried
to shake his hand and hug him and then get
kicked in the nuts again.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Just say.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
I can't. Yeah, it's basic punkinomics, being gullible and get
kicked in the nuts.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
So we got Saturday Nights Made event coming up. We
also have details now on the Evolution pay per view
eto sky Rhea Ripley booked. We're gonna have a Women's
Battle Royal and before we get away, two things from
Monday Night Rob before we leave WW that I wanted
to bring up with you. The Judgment Day progresses. All

(27:16):
the members that are left employed, by WW at the
time are clanging title belts? What are you thinking about
the Judgment Day? Good for them?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
I don't know that the tag titles matter anymore, but.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, no tag titles matter. I mean, the New Day
did some great stuff, and I don't know why it
just changed back over to the Judgment Day. Not knocking
finning company, but I just didn't see JD and Finn
needing to regain on the trajectory. I guess this does
make sense from the thought process. This is gonna seriously
alienate Live and now that we get Roxanne obviously is

(27:59):
gonna help Braquel win if she helps Dom win. Already
this is Finn's plan coming together where they alienate Live
from the Judgment Day where he felt she was originally
trying to alienate him. So I feel like this is
a good drama builder.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, no, no, I look, I'm with you on that.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
So that was one thing and the other thing that
I wanted to bring up from Monday Night raw, and
I know it's near in Dear to your heart. He
might be a little more kaiser this time, but Grande
Americano became uh dose, not those echis. But what do

(28:42):
we call him when he's twice the size. Now grande,
he's do I'm a Nacano.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Uh, he's more grande.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
But he's super grond. Okay, what's the opposite of putting
them in the dryer to shrink them? How do you
expand the dude, I.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Don't know what you're talking about, Micah. We saw El
Grande him Americano in the back look like he always
did to me, had the same outfit on the same mask.
The hell you talking to I mean, look, maybe he's
been working out. He looked a little more buff.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
But I mean.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Again, this should, once and for all put the rest
these heinous, unfounded rumors that Chad Gable and El Grande
Americano are the same person. Obviously they're not. Gable's hurt,
he's got to have surgery. El Grande American who's still
out there. Can we, finally, once and for all, just

(29:32):
drop this. They are different people, Micah, Come on.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Now, they are. I'll give you that one now, they
definitely are. I feel like this one's a little swister
than the other.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
I don't even know what the fuck that's supposed to mean.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
But they're different than a little guys is off, But
it keeps saying European nationalities until I hit the right one.
Or wait, he's Belgium, Dutch, I don't know either way.
That's whatever Grande Americano is.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
He's he's Mexican. His name is El Grande Americano.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
No, no, no, I was bringing up Ludwig Kaiser. Why
guy that was in the background, because he watched Chad
Gable get assaulted and then just like looked over him.
You brought up Chad Gable, So I was bringing up
Ludwig Kiser. They clearly showed us he was in the
background when Penta injured Chad Gable, and he should feel
responsible himself for not getting in the way.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Bludwog Kaiser, which I still don't know why the hell
you bring him up is from Germany. But I brought
up Gable because everybody says Gable and Elgrande Americano are
the same person. Obviously they don't even look alike. Pull
up to go back and watch wrong from this past week,
El Grandia Americano looks nothing like Chad Gable. Micah, come on.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
You're right, this week he did look that up.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
He's never looked anything like him. I just said this
week because that's the easiest one to find. It's the
latest show. You can probably go online and find a
picture somewhere.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
It feel like you might be incorrect at that last statement.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
It is painfully obvious, Mike, and they are two completely
different people. Plus Gables hurt, he's got to have surgery.
I don't know about you, but the El Grande Americano
I saw on Monday night looked a lot of things.
He did not look hurt or injured. I'm just saying,
let's put this dude.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
You were right, you said painfully, and that's what happened
when Grande Americano walked by any people competing in the
WWE Tag Division. Yeah, how so? Oh, just because anytime
I think of the Tag division, it's painful. At this point,
I'm thinking about the last couple matches we saw. But
he was there next to American Alpha, you know, when

(31:40):
they were in awe of his glory. So thought about
the tag team division because Americano brings that to mind
for some reason. Hmm, interesting because I think he leads
some men into it. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Well, Chad Gables got his stable there with but yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Tables got a stable.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yes, that's what that's what the fuck they should call it.
It's more catchier than what they call it now. Yeah,
Gable stable, thank you, MC. Carlisle maybe, uh well, you
have to be an MC. It's just catchy. I ain't
busting out basic punkinomics on you here.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
You'd like to be an EMC. It's kind of catchy.
Stop doing it, man, You know what you're doing. You
know what's to do to me right now?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Oh no, I'm trying to put this silly debate to
bed once and for all that Elgrande Americano and Chad
Gable are the same person. Obviously they aren't.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, obviously right now they're not. You do right right?

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Du Elgrande Americano arguably the greatest lucy door of all time.
Chad Gables a lot of things, a fine wrestler.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
And all that.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
He's no luchador. Let's let's let's stop with the silliness.
This is just crazy talk.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Was that ressume built in c M L L. Triplaa
the Mother's Basement, Mexicano, Where.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Everywhere, all low the world, anywhere there were luchador's Zarro's
El Grande Americano kicking ass and taking names.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Still only the third best single it in pro wrestling.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Well yeah, but having your single it doesn't define you
as a talent.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
And if you're the greatest Solusia Door of all time,
you need to have that flair.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
You really don't. You don't have to look like green dust.
You don't have to look like a demon and then
go get your ass kicked like Penta every week. You
just got to go out and take care of business.
And that's what El Grande Americano, throughout the course of
his long and talent laden career, has done. He's just
gone out, collected belts, taking names, kicked ass, and been

(33:44):
a champion that all luchadors could look up to him
be proud of. And if you saw El Grande Americano
on Monday, every goddamn body's looking up to him these
days because he's tall, he's buff, he's built.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Just like all. You know. You did it now because
you said money, and I know no one takes care
of money in business like a CEO and Mercedes money
opened up dynam taking care of Tony Storm.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
I'm not through talking about Elande Americano.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Oh okay, cool, keep going. Well, what else did you
have to say about him. How did you do this
past weekend? I know we saw him. How was his match?

Speaker 1 (34:20):
He didn't have a match.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
He talk about him.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Look, there's always reasons to talk about the fucking greatest
Luca Door of all time. People talk about Raymond Stereo,
that motherfucker he been anybody in years. He ain't even
the best damn member of his family if Don was
really his son. But I digress.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I thought you were bringing up Elliah his daughter. Well,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
How good she is in the ring, Micah, but I
do know Elgande Americano once and for all these hat Look,
he's going to continue to kick ass like he did
when Chad Gable was at the Performance Center or some shit,
still learning his craft, and Elgrande Americana is going all
over the world kicking the shit out of Lucidor's That's

(34:59):
what he gonna do now while Gable's out injured, and
we can finally put this silly nonsense to bed, that
this some shit like you'd see in the weekly World
News with bat Boy and new blurry pictures of the
Lockness Monster, that this whole thing is a hoax. Chad Gable,
Elgande Americano two completely different people's time to move on

(35:22):
from this silly story.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Okay, well how about another one. Okay, Tenta Justindrade because
it looks like he is to me. Now I'm sorry,
I mean vice versa Andrade just became Penta.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
I was gonna say, yeah, androde about four or five
inches taller and probably about thirty pounds heavier than Penta.
But yeah, as far.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
As see size, I just see Americano.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
I was like, I could be I guess, yeah, you
don't see size. But yet you tried to tell me
that Elgrande Americano somehow looked different this past week on raw. Please, Well, if.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
You're telling me he didn't, then I think that Penta
and Andreda are the same size. Now you're telling me
I mean maybe Tala is just the size of hornswoggle
and the camera was in the wrong direction.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Uh no, No, I don't think anybody. Raymasterio is probably
close to hornswoggle size. But and poor Raymisterio taking shots
left to right. That motherfucker's hurt and been out for months.
Sorry Ray Ray. Yeah, let's stop with this, Chad Gable
El Grandi Americano. Obviously they're two different people. This has
been proven. Now it is a fact, so let's just

(36:31):
stop with the insanity.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
More talent in the Santos escobar Faction or the New
blood line New blood Line. I'd say the Santos escobar Faction,
but that's just.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Me Micah Over On the ae W side of things,
the road to all In continues. They were in Seattle
this past week. I don't know that they did anything
that makes me more excited for all In, but there

(37:03):
were some things nonetheless.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Between Dynamite and Collision. I do like the build between
Monet and Tony Storm. I feel like they benefited, possibly overall,
the story the most from the week we had the
early attack. We each had pointed promos. I do like
the artistic addition of having Storm on the bottom of

(37:30):
Monette's shoes, so she's walking on top of her. I
thought her promo did a lot to illuminate the steaks
and her ego and the conviction that she is a
superior to Tony Storm. I thought you saw the anger
rage coming out of Tony Storm, so I thought, like
for a hole, they probably had the best week of enhancement.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Probably it seemed a lot similar to the build to
Tony Storm's last two pay per view matches. But part
of that you did those the right way, so why
wouldn't you continue along those lines as well. I think
they've done a good job with that. I get the

(38:12):
whole will Osprey Swerve Strickland thing, But if you're going
to have them in tag action, are you really sticking
it to him by having them take on Blake Christian
and Lee Johnson? I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Could have been two bigger hitters, two more thuggish looking brutes.
Huh that kind of got bigger Fellers.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Oh yes, yes, I thought I thought you were saying
that that Blake and Lee Johnson were We're thuggish looking
feller alone. Huh, I got that?

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Have gotten more? Yes, this could have been a Gates agony.
This could have been a Big Bill in Brian Keith.
This could have been a Lance Archer and Sarah. This
could have been a lot of people that would feel
more physically threatening.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Excuse me, Yeah, I would have rather had Big Bill
and Brian Keith here and have Lee Johnson and Blake
Christian take on Christian and Nick Wayne.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
But then call them the cages.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
We could we could the cages.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, the cages. It just sounds a lot nicer than
the patriarchy. I don't know, And it also makes me
laugh because you know, look, he's willing to include his
adopted son. They're the Cages. It would seem so nice
while he's judging him.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Well, hold on, why wouldn't Christian include his son? I mean,
that's the whole point of the Christian Cage Children's Home
Society for wayward youth. It is to take these troubled
youths without fathers, fathers who either abandoned them, were never
there or died, and turned them into productive members of

(39:53):
society and in Nick Wayne's case, in elite pro wrestlers. So,
I mean, it makes total sense in the world that
a benevolent father figure like Christian Cage would put his
career on the back burner Micah for the sake of
his adopted adopted son's career and try to go after
these tag team titles together.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Well, I understand that I'm just for shit for seeing
that we're gonna have a promo where Christian tells Nick
once they inevitably get that chance at the world titles,
that he's gonna earn something much more important when they
go for those tag titles. When they win, we will
drop that cruddy name, Wayne, and you will become Nick Cage.

(40:41):
I don't think they could actually do that because somebody
already has that name, I think, but uh, you know
what I mean, Just just to divide and drive more
of a wedge with Nick, tell him that we have
to rest put to rest every memory of his gone
father to honor his present one, and that's gonna be

(41:03):
his ultimate prize.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
I'm trying to figure out what the payoff is to
change Nick Wayne's name to Nick Cage. Let Nicholas Cage
file a season desist and somehow play off on that.
I don't hate that at all, if we're being quite honest. Yeah,
maybe we had number one contenders or a four way

(41:26):
for the number one spot in the Men's Casino Gauntlet.
We had who the fuck was in that? We had
Okata Briscoe or not Ocada Brisco, Roddy Strong Bandido and
Takeshka in that, and Mark Brisco gets the win.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Mark Briscoe gets the win, swooped in with the Froggy
bow to steal it right from Roddy who yeah, yeah, no.
A great week for Paragon never is a great week
for Paragon, but we want more from Mark Briscoe. We
got more from Mark brisco Happy for Mark brisco He
gets a win and he has a spot in the

(42:05):
gauntlet right there front and center with an opportunity to
win it.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
We also had a four way on the women's side
for the number one spot and the women's Casino Gauntlet,
because you can't just do one casino gauntlet, you got
to do one for the women as well. Chris Statlander
defeats Willow, Thunderosa and Fena. She gets the number one
spot in the women's Casino Gauntlet.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Love the way that it played out, the inclusion of Wheeler.
You to Marina Shaffir, This death writer angle perpetuating forward.
I finally feel like Wheeler has something to do with
his hands and his long hair as kind of maniacal
pull back of it. It's a small character enhancement, but

(42:50):
he needed some kind of character to himself, so I
was okay with that. Felt like the right person got
the win. It all progresses forward, especially when we talked
about the rumors of Athena thunder Rosa gonna be an
r o H title match for all in this made
a lot of sense to keep pushing Statlander in that
periphal direction of the death Riders and make us question

(43:13):
what her allegiance are. Is she going to be a heel?

Speaker 1 (43:17):
I think, see, I think. I don't think this is
about you to anymore, but maybe, but yeah, you're right,
it does make you question her allegiance and all. We'll
see how it plays out. I I do think it
was probably the right move having Statlander. You were only
either going Statlander or Willow Nightingale. Willow seems better trying

(43:43):
to defy the odds when when the chips are down
and all that. So it made sense for her not
to get the win and and look good good for stat.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Lander, exactly good for Statlander. Max had an okay promo
in the night. Abushi gotta went over Trent. How did
he lose Rocky Romero and hetche Serro gained him? Uh?
I know, it's the Christian Cage Home for Way World Children,
but it's the International League of Orphans that don Kallis runs.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Maybe I don't. I don't know that Trent's all that
much worse off losing Rocky Romero, but I don't know
why we had to have him in this match either.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
And I get it the disrespect in Arena Mexico suffered
by the Beast Mortas, but the beast is just very
quickly tamed by the Hangman.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yeah, more toast deserve better than that. But look that
being said, he wasn't going to beat Hangman Page, especially
a couple of weeks away from the pay per view,
So I mean, I get that, but they could have
had Hangman beat somebody else, I guess. But I was
gonna about to go into long Die tribe about how

(45:01):
they could do so much more with Mortas. But you
could say that about a lot of guys and you
only got so much t and gals. But you only
got so much TV time. You've only got time for
so much. You can only push so many people. Not
everybody's gonna be world championship caliber talent, and that maybe
Mortas is lot in life.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
No one is buried forever. As long as you're on TV.
There's a chance he's got a position where he gets
camera time. I like Bi smohertos. Like you said, there's
a lot of people I would go in different directions
with things, but this is the plight that we have,
and at least he's getting the camera time he could
have the stop and start that his faction Buddy Roused does. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I mean, look, you brought up Barretta and Rocky Romero earlier.
If Chuck Taylor's career is truly done, and it sounds
like it probably is, I would much rather see Burretta
and Rocky Romero together every week than a singles match
for Bretta Rocky teaming with someone else and all that
much like. And I won't beat this dead horse either,

(46:05):
but I'd rather see the claim together than being two
less than singles wrestlers. But you know, it is what
it is.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
I suppose Micah very randomly. I need to take a
step back. I need to take a step back. This
is gonna be like, we're gonna have to label this
episode about Christian Cage because I'm just gonna keep bringing
him up. I was so shocked about the stuff that
he said to MVP even actually just more shocked that
the general statement from Christian Cage is for someone that lies,

(46:35):
chiefs and steals so much that he doesn't like involving
himself with criminals who would have funk it.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Well, dude, anybody with the brain you're trying to mold
the minds of young orphans. You can't be slumming it
up with criminals and put people in the dark underworld.
I mean it actually makes complete and total sense if
you really think about it.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Well, probably sense, because as he said, MVP got caught,
so that's not the one to learn from.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Can I ask you a question, are you gonna do
with Christian what I kept doing with Elgrande Americano a
while ago, that no matter how much you kept trying
to move us along, I kept going back to Elgrandea Americano.
Are you gonna keep doing that with Christian? Because I'm
here for it. Yeah, I'm here for it. If you are,
I just you know, I just won't want to know
what the playing field's like here. That's all.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
I can't guarantee you that's my last Christian out, but
I think it is unless you say something else that
brings an edge to the conversation.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Fuck it, I will so Christian and Nick Wayne defeat
the hurt syndicate that claimed the tag titles because another
person who is missing the family dynamic and if you
follow his social media you know it's true his mama
doesn't like him. I don't know where the hell his
dad is? But his dad stays out of it. I mean,

(47:57):
I guess he's seen some of the pictures of his mom.
But it ain't like Mjf's got a really stable home life.
What if it really, after all MJF finds out it's
not the comfort of the Hurt Syndicate I'm looking for.
I'm looking for a family. I'm looking for a father.
So maybe MJF aids Christian Cage and Nick Cage, Nick

(48:18):
Wayne and when he loves tag titles, huh huh, how
about see I can do this bullshit too.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Mj F Cage or MJF.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
S Maxwell Jacob Cage.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Come on, man, Maxwell's Jacob Cage. He's salt of the earth,
better than Canadians and you know what I mean. And
he's got a little and he's got.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
A little kosher Neil pickle allegedly.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I don't know if I could, like, out of all
the people, I could see MJF screwing to help over
and burying the Hurt Syndicate. I don't know why. I
don't think it's gonna be the Cages.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
I think you're hundred percent right on that. But I
was just going to try to help you along with
with with your continuing to bring up Christian that's all.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Well, I mean he truly is like the best heel
in ae W and in a crop of early good heels.
He is just so despicable.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Well, I don't disagree with you. Yeah, over on collision, Micah,
you know, try to work Christian in now, motherfucker Adam Cole,
Josh Alexander T and T title. I can't do it anymore, Micah,
I've tried so fucking hard to defend Adam Cole. Sure

(49:40):
he has the physique of a twelve year old girl.
Sure he's as pale as I don't know, a ghost.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah, his faction sucks balls. You know what else sucks balls?
The T and T title reign of Adam Cole. It's
time for a change. Gonna be Josh Alexander Least it
wasn't last week, But enough is enough.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
We need Kyle Fletcher to hurry up and win that
title so that he can be the crown jewel of
the Kallus family. And if any Canadian was supposed to
challenge Adam Cole for the TNT title, it should have
been Christian Cage.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
They're right, God damn it, you beat me to it
because I was about I was I was going to
do it differently, but I was gonna say I'd rather
see Kip Sabian go out and try to make Papa
Christian happy and capture that title. I guarantee you that
he'd have a better ring than Adam Cole. Beabe for real.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I I what is the problem with the TNT title
at this point in your mind? Because Daniel Garcia, Oh,
this is a lull. We need to get it off
of him. Hey, it'll be better. Let's get it to
Adam Cole and instead of becoming a defending champion some
kind of story. Oh wait, actually, I know it's the problem.
I blame Tony Kahn because he stuck Adam Cole at
a damn desk and hasn't made the title that prominent.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
It makes you wonder if they're just trying to have
Adam Cole out there every week if he's not one
hundred percent Yeah, because I don't think Adam Cole is
that good on commentary, So that highlights that, and that
makes you care about him and the TNT title less.
I think you just need to get that belt on

(51:31):
someone else. The Garcia thing didn't work. This ain't working.
It did seem to work fine when Christian Cage had it.
I'm not necessarily saying you have to go back to that,
but well, especially with him having his sights on the
tag titles. But it's time for Adam Cole to drop
this belt, and at least Fletcher's fine at this point.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
I don't know that you could do any worse than
Cole or Garcia exactly.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
I'm looking for new, I'm looking for fresh, I'm looking
for young blood. I don't care if it's Takesha, if
it's Kyle Fletcher. I really feel like we need to
put a title on someone in the Callous family to
make them just stand out a little bit more from
the other five singles performers in that faction.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
That Alpha Yeah, is it?

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Don kallis dem softball team? Man? I think they even
got a dhy.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
So do you feel like they only booked the Collision
main event just so you could have dueling? Let's go
Kyle Chance, Kyle Fletcher, Kyle O'Reilly.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
It wasn't a bad match. I mean, I think Tony Kahan,
if he didn't know it was gonna happen, geeked out
like like famboid, like he had just met freaking cimpunk
for the first time. Probably be the best reaction compared
for not the last time we saw see him punk,
but the first time we saw seeing punk. Wow.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
As a matter of fact, hold on, you, fuck Kyle Flexer.
You you want to get the TNT title off of
Adam Cole, just have either O'Reilly and or strong turn
on him and let one of them win it. Uh,
they would both be.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Better, I guess. I mean it couldn't be worse. I
mean nothing could be worse. When like I thought, nothing
could be worse than watching Max Castor Flounder each week.
Bowens no, no, no, Bowens is even worse than Cole.
I'm sorry. I was trying to transition ahead because Cole

(53:41):
is not doing well. He is barely keeping afloat. But uh,
I don't even know if I see Anthony Bone's hand
like grabbing at the water where the bubbles are stopping
to dissipate as he's sinking.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
At least it seems like the fans are in on
the joke with Max Castor, right. Uh. Even that the
stupid awkward, long ash Chant and it's like, all right,
we get it. It's still dumb in hokey, but we
get it. Bowen's is out there trying to be serious
and shit and sucks every bit as bad by himself

(54:14):
as Castor does. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not going to defend
that one anymore either. I'm done defending Adam Cole. I'm
done defending Anthony Bowens. Get the belt off of Coal
and fucking make Caster and Bowens be a tag team
or send him the fuck home.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Supposedly, this week we're gonna have Billy show up with
a new, redefined game plan for Bowens. I think that
game plan will hopefully be when Bowen's pisses Billy off,
the lights hit and they come back in there. There's
two little guns and a Juice Robinson in there, and
all of a sudden, Billy is managing what's left of

(54:56):
the Bullet Club Gold or as Boys or whatever we
want to call this now, because I believe Jay White's
still going to be injured a little bit.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
I don't think Juice is ready yet either, although he's
probably closer than Jay White. Look, Billy Gunn has been
a part of multiple big time stables in his career
being the advisor to Bullet Club Goal A, Bullet Club Gold.
And actually, if you think about it, makes sense, especially

(55:25):
reuniting with the ass boys his sons. So I don't
hate that idea. Again, I would put the claim back together.
I would try to salvage all that. But since that
obvious leaning in the cards, it's time for Billy to
turn on Bowen's and reunite with his sons.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Well, that's what I think, inevitabently happens. Is both of
those are correct. Billy turns on Bowen's needs to reunite
with his son, and the two in the cutter Slobs
inevitably wind up together. You know, when you're in that gutter.
It all flows downstream to the same Paul. I think
that Castor and Bowen's will realize that they need each
other after they see Billy having reunited with his family

(56:08):
and having success. I do think we get in a
claim reunion. I think it's going to take a little
bit of time and realizing that they need each other.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
But do we want an acclaim reunion if there's not
a daddy ass to Scissor with. I can't believe I
just said that either but you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Well, if Christian Cage can raise up Porphins, is it
possible that the acclaim could just find a new daddy.
I mean, he won't be Daddy Ass anymore. Maybe we'll
have to find Daddy Arms. We might have to find
the sugar Daddy. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
I don't see Christian Cage willingly scissoring with anyone except
maybe Mama Wayne.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
No, just a different daddy, not Christian Cage. That's even
a better one. Who could be a good daddy. It
wouldn't be It wouldn't be Taz. I don't know if
we can have daddy Paul White, who could be sugar daddy, great.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Taz might not be a good dad to hook.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Never mind. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Is it just me?

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Or did this week's collision feel like a two hour
episode of Rampage?

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Yes, we need more storyline enhanced than outside of a
little bit of stuff with the women's division, it wasn't great.
And I don't know about you. I was not feeling
FTR reciting the same problemal for like the fourth time
at the UH the Outrunners. We're not the bad guys,
We're not the bad guys, dude, you did the subscent

(57:40):
Daniel Garcia for weeks, I'm over it.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
If you were doing it against the Hurt Syndicate, if
you were doing it against a team that met the
Young Bucks, although storyline wiseie didn't make sense, but like
a team that matters, all right, maybe, But I agree
with you. I didn't care about this a couple of
weeks ago, and I did. I'm sure don't care about
it now. The Outrunners are fine for what they are,

(58:05):
but let's not try to make them something more than that,
because that ain't gonna work.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
The problem for me is that we have about five
tag teams and it looks like Christian the cages up.
We bring them back into the conversation, that's one, and
we have them going against the Hurts and to get
we're gonna get it down to that. The other side
of our tag team division that we have is now
the Young Bucks against Auspray and Swerve FTR is kind

(58:34):
of left out here on an island. We don't have
a lot of these notable tag teams anymore. The best
friends are gone, you don't have private party anymore. So
I feel like we're missing a couple of the face
tag teams that you would be like, hey, FTR, you

(58:55):
can work with so inevitably, now they are taking on
the seventh eighth best tag team that AW has left over.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
It's entirely possible. I've just missed it and you will
very quickly correct me. But for like the second time
in three weeks, I forgot who the trio champions were.
I just had to look it up. When's the last
time the opps have defended that?

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Right before Double or Nothing? I want to say, I
think the week before they came to Albuquerque where we
saw them before we followed them on, or it might
have been that next week in El Paso. Somewhere in
one of the like last four weeks, I think there
was a random trios tag defense might have been up
against like the Kallis family, like ar Turn Repunkyvice, but uh,

(59:43):
I couldn't tell you. And yeah, it seems like from
Double or Nothing to now, Shibata, Joe and Hobbes have
quickly disappeared, and it'd been nice to see them on Collision.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Well, I mean, look that they've been involved with the
whole death Writer storyline and all that. All that makes sense,
But if you're gonna put the trios titles on them.
I have them defended because FTR and someone were you
to go down that route? All right, that's how you
keep FTR out of the tag team title picture but
still keep them strong and relevant and not fucking doing

(01:00:19):
promo battles with the outrunners that lead to a match
that nobody wants to see. Utilize You've got all those
fucking belts, utilize them for real.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
What are we doing with the Ring of Honor this
or that and this and that and this and that.
I mean, I feel like there's more options or there
should be more teams, more more players to incorporate on
the field.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Well, as weird as it may sound, you are trying
to keep Ring of Honor in AW separate, even though
Athena was in the damn Gauntlet and all that. Uh,
even though at the last pay per view you had
the Ring of Honor Tag Team Champions challenging the Tag
Champs back at double or another the AW Tag Champs
back at double or nothing, So I can I'm okay

(01:01:12):
with that. Plus you are building to a Ring of
Honor pay per view a week from Friday, so you know,
maybe right now you're a little more focused on Ring
of Honored titles with Ring of Honor people. I am
okay with that, but there are plenty of other belts. Yeah,
I just I don't like I'm not anti the Ops

(01:01:36):
as trios champs, but let's have them to family title.
Let's put them up against a meaningful three team, whether
it's three members of the Callous Family whom the fuck ever,
but somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Ring members of the Callous family. I don't know if
would have made sense for the Hurts and a kid
to try to become double champions. I don't know if
you even oh maybe Maximum Male Models n x M
with Johnny TV. I mean you have some opportunities, Uh,

(01:02:12):
do you kind of thrown the paragon a bone together?
I mean, really do anything with a title? Probably?

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Yeah, he's already got one. He's already got one belt.
He's not doing anything with Mike. Let's not give him
another one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
But yeah, I mean even just the challenger. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
No, absolutely, in all honesty, I think you're right on that,
and that's probably if there are injury or mobility issues
or whatever with that them. Cole, Yeah, have them go
for the trios titles. That that actually makes sense. I
could buy into that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
This to me. This is not a particularly good week
for aw TV.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
And uh, let's bring them up one more time. You
know who also could challenge for the trios?

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Oh nope, nope, uh Christian and Nick Cage and Kip Savian.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
I was actually gonna say Beast Mortos, Russ and Jagielistiko.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
I just assumed you were going for another Christian Cage reference.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Sorry, now, I was trying to get the Beast in
one more time. We said, what could you do with moretos?
He deserves to have some more utilization. Trios match theiry
heel faction there a face faction at the moment talking
about the ops. I think you can build some friction
there a Joe and Rouche promo.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
I don't feel a lot of sympathy for mor TOAs.
He's doing just fine in his real life. He's a
lawyer now presumably, and excuse my crassness, he's boinking Mercedes Monet.
I think Mortos is doing okay. He's doing a lot
better than many others. So while I'd like to see
him get more wins on TV, I can't help but

(01:03:52):
think the Beast Mortas is going to be just fine.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I just wasn't going to bring up the cages this
time because we're not making him care cage yet.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
And I don't know that we ever do. Where the
hell is Luchasaurus. Surely by now he's healthy enough to return.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
We could hope. I really don't know. I think that
he was pretty messed up. I did hear he got
cleared to return to the inn ring activities. Hey, here's
a random thought for you to bring back the cages. Actually,
there's the frat house group, the four guys from Ring
of Honor. Yeah, but it just be better to at

(01:04:34):
least take the Griff Garrison or Cole Carter and just
slowly start adding more to the cage orphanage, like like
the ones that don't talk. That can work.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
No, I'm fine with adding more people to the orphanage.
Let's not add any members of the frat house. By
the way, I don't necessarily dislike I think it's kind
of funny, but it probably worked better in Ring of
Honor than it would regularly on aw TV.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
My thought was just off the top of my head,
looking for still the most childlike bodies to add.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Oh, I got one for you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
I got one for you in the Patriarchy, No.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
But close. What if you're keeping Lucasaurus out this long
because you're bringing him back and you're bringing him back
with an old partner who you got nothing else you
can fucking do with.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Yeple it's a jungle jungle It's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
A boy, not his theme song, but yes, exactly what
I'm talking about, the jungle. But because look, uh badass
crimea river, Jack Perry, it ain't working, and obviously because
hell they have an even put him on TV and
forever maybe loincloth hanging out with Lucasaurus jungle boy is

(01:05:55):
the way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Wait wait, wait, wait wait, So Patriarchy Cages hurt Syndicate,
MJF gets thrown out, Kip Sabian gets thrown out, Mother
Wayne gets thrown out, MVP gets thrown out. Hooded Figure
helps the Cages win the title the Unmasking, and it's

(01:06:19):
Jack Perry re getting in the good graces of Christian.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
I got so lost in all that end result though, Yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Just gotta get every thrown out from the match basically
so that we have no one left to help them.
And at the last minute, who's gonna help Christian, all
of a sudden there's a loother of figure and it's
Jack Perry. Easier to explain that way.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
And probably the best orphan on the roster. His dad
was Luke Perry for crying out loud. He just needs
some direction and it wasn't coming from the bucks, so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
And he could still have the scout out and like
his head down like he's unhappy the whole time in
his leather and jacket, and Kip and Nick are just
looking at him like what's wrong with him?

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
All right, he's still wearing the jacket, but Christian's making
him wear the loin cloth and making him, making him
come out to his cheesy eighties song entrance and all that,
and making him hang out with Lucasaurus.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Yes, yes, so now Christian's walking around backstage asking the
cow's family if they're ready to play pick up basketball
because they could play five on five. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Either either that or Tony Kahan makes Jack Perry come
out as a want to be rapper doing paranomics or something,
just to stick it to see him punk. Hey, I
can be want to be white rapper better than you,
old man, crime me a river. It's real glass I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Will you accept me back, Christian, I'm now Jack Cage.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
To the City board Man, jungle Jack Cage.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
I like it. I do jungle Jack on Cage. I'm joking.
I kind of like it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Anything else we need to hit on, Micah, No, we.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Probably did way more than we needed to. I think
you're right on that you got anything from wrestling. You
guys want to talk about hit me up over there
on X It's at frankl Micah last name on the
first name.

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