Ep 306: WWE Clash In Paris Recap. AEW Is Heating Up. Latest News.

Episode 306: We look back at the WWE Clash in Paris PLE. AEW is heating up. ROH Death Before Dishonor. Latest news. 











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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Well, what's up everybody. Welcome back. It is pro Wrestling
after Hours. I'm Michael Carlisle, joined as always by Micah frankled.
Micah was shaking man.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Seemed like a lot of bag guets this past week
for WWE.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
AH because they were in France.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Wee yeah, but there was a lot of we we.
They clashed at the at the pier at the Eiffel Tower. Yeah, clash, sure, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
We had clash at the clashing what the fuck ever?
They called it clash in France, Clash in Paris, Clash
in Paris.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Okay, it wasn't clash at the Kingdom because they weren't
in a kingdom this time. They weren't at the castle
this time.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
But they clashed, right, they were in Paris, so yes,
you clash. Yeah, this did take the place of Clash
at the Castle whatever they hell they called last year's.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, it feels like it also feels like you could say,
you know, the bloodlines are shaking because for Bridges, never
gonna get rid of the bloodlines.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
No, the most successful storyline of the twenty twenties. I
was going to say of this century. That might be
stretching it a bit, but of the twenty twenties. Yeah,
it's not going anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Why should it, because WWE is in this constant recreation
mode because most factions get you know, picked apart really
quickly because they don't last for long. And this, this
seems to be never ending, like one of the things
that always shocks and amazes me about pro wrestling. And

(01:45):
it just amazes me because my memories as a kid
are distorted by it. It seemed like Stone Cold Steve
Austin as bad ass Stone Cold Steve Austin was like
Steve Austin and I forget I have to be It
was like two years he was that dude. Two years
he was like badass Stone Cold Steve Austin before we

(02:06):
got the the weird emotional Stone Cold Steve Austin when
you had the WCW invasion. So we're gonna end up
on like four or five years of the blood line
being the blood line, and it's just gonna amaze me
because outside of like Hult Cogan, things don't stay the
same in WWE for four to five years.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
It feels like the fuck they don't man hold on
this card. John Cena, you brought up Roman and bloodline
and all that uh freakin' Ruseph and Seamus still alive
and kicking the You're holding on to the last gasp

(02:50):
of Bray Wyatt with the Wyat six. You had a
damn Bella on this card. Yes, it's all it's nostalgic nothing.
I mean, yes, things change, but the more things change,
the more they stay the same.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
This was really a nostalgic card. I was more thinking
from the fact that Rhea Ripley's character kind of changes constantly, Bailey's, Becky's,
Charlotte Flair is at this point, Damian Priests. There's a
lot of people that it feels like they're consistent about.
This card really did highlight the old Guard still having

(03:31):
a flag in WWE hold on a big flag too,
because these are the people on the premium live events,
not not your shitty ron smackdowns. You're not relegated to
that crap.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Right hold on. You're celebrating character development and people's characters changing.
You mean like Chia pet Rocky Maya Villa to most
electrifying man in sports entertainment to People's Champion to corporate
champion to final Boss. You just talked about just Stone

(04:02):
Cold Steve Austin Well going from ring Master stone cold,
ass kicking badass, I hate my boss, stone Cold, corporate stooge,
stone Cold, invasion angles stone Cold. Yeah, those things happen
as well, but it's still those guys, those guys the Undertaker.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
The Undertaker even went from a gray version of a
purple version to an American badass biker back to a
demon into just the Undertaker. There seemed to be a
lot of illusions within a little character, but there's still
the same person. And even Steth Rawlins has been like
five different guys but the same guy because he's been

(04:46):
the King Slayer, the beast Slayer. Now he went from
being a what was the first one where he was
the architect and now he is the Visionary. It's all
the same dude, but slightly different character archetypes.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Was there really any difference great trimmed Undertaker and purple
trim Undertaker? Now, I will grant you American badass completely different.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
At some points I have to try to make you laugh.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Oh yeah, I mean I guess so what there's at
least am I wrong in saying there was like four
different Undertakers because of the original persona forget the yea persona,
the American Badass, the really demonic one, the Vince McMahon,
and then kind of the last outlaw version.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
I would say two and a half. I would say
dead Man, American Badass, and then his last couple of
matches were kind of, you know, coming back late in
the late comebacks last few years, more of a hybrid.
Wasn't quite American Badass, wasn't quite dead Man, but really

(05:50):
wasn't that far from either.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Okay, I feel like it's just one with Yeah, Undertaker
was slightly different. Man a thing as went from being
surfer sting to crow sting to joker sting. There was
a couple different.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Yeah, yeah, you're probably you do get some character development,
and that's what WWE, the company that is more of
a storytelling company, is known for.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
You pointed it out. A lot of these guys, let's
be honest, they try to evolve the shameless character in
different ways and other times, and it's always devolved back
to the same just Irish brawler stereotype that he's always been.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, and look, I wasn't knocking the fact that you
had seen a Bella the bloodline stuff, which I take
it you're not a fan of and all that good stuff.
I was just pointing out that it's the more things change,
the more they stayed the same, I think. And we'll
talk about this more in a minute when we get
into the match, but it sure seems like what they

(07:03):
should have been doing with John Cena all along. They're
trying to make up for now. You had his wife
there in the crowd in Paris after the match, he
gives her a big kiss and all the farewell send
off that I think the people wanted instead of oh no,
we're going to turn him heal and then send him
overseas to visit those markets for the last time. And

(07:26):
those people that want to cheer him one more time,
they're forced to booing, whether they really want to or not.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
What shaking the fact that WWE is a European company Now,
I'm not even sure when to catch them live on
any of my streams anymore because they seem to be
in France in the UK a lot.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's almost like they realized they saw the success other
companies were having look and Look. To be fair, WWE
has been going to Europe and all that for quite
a while now, but it is more of a focus
than it has been of late, and I don't think
that's necessarily by coincidence either.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Not by coincidence, and uh yeah, yeah, we'll leave it
at that. With their competitive nature.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Now some of the some of that though, is corporate synergy.
Like well, I was also gonna be yeah that they
just wrap up their pay per view in Paris, UFC
another TKO property in Paris for a fight night this weekend,
so so part of that, I'm sure it's some corporate
synergy and it was probably something of a package deal

(08:33):
at least the Paris stop.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
But yeah, I was going to bring up that, well,
I want to Achalon. You do see that corporate synergy.
Now they're a TKO property, it's not just WWE. If
you look at the UFC Fight Nights numbered events, those
are going more international. So this is just kind of
following line with the people that are at the top
of the company making these booking decisions, seeing that there's

(08:58):
a lot of value in the the venue paying for
you to go there, and these international markets starving for
that kind of entertainment, you're able to exploit them, make
the best buck for yourself. I was gonna bring up
to you, and shit, there was something on MMA after
hours yesterday. I meant to bring up to you, to
bring up to you now ready to go back to
Salt Lake City.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I was actually gonna bring that up last week and
we just didn't meant But yeah, I saw that announce
But yeah, so WWE is doing a SmackDown pl there
and UFC doesn't sound like same weekend, but they're going
back for a I guess their pay per views will
now be premium live events because they won't actually technically

(09:41):
hear in the USB pay per views anymore with everything
being on paramount starting next year. But yeah, they're headed
back to Salt Lake City as well. But part of
that corporate synergy.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Guys, spring, summer, fall, you get a chance to visit
Utah absolutely beautiful. Got to be one my top five
favorite cities in the country.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
I'm gonna be perfectly honest. I love going to Salt
Lake City.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
It's awesome.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, I love going to Utah. So yeah, that'll be.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
For pizza, great views.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yes, Utah known worldwide for its pizza.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Really surprisingly, once you get there, there's like eight hundred
pizza places.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Like there are a lot of pizza places.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, yeah, you're not wrong on.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
That, but yeah, corporate synergy. I noticed any putting those
goddamn bulls on a plane and find them over there
for PBR, though.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
I think PBR we got to leave that in the
state that I feel it's like a little bit like
animal cruelty. If we're trying to take that international.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I think you would have to put them on a
cargo ship. I don't think you could put those on
a plane.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
It's just a lot corporately, that's a lot financially for
that one.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
But yeah, well let's go back to Paris. Yeah, we
and I just want to start at the top of
the car. And actually, because that Fatal four Way, I
thought it was really good. I thought it was really
well played out, and I love the amount of storylines
that it gave us to play moving forward that we

(11:11):
saw even start doing night on Monday Night or all.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
I think it's a pretty safe bet that unless something
terrible happens, we're gonna get aj Lee to come in
and fight alongside her husband for what that's worth, based
on Becky Lynch interfering in the main event, and I mean,
I guess that's fine. I gotta be honest, and I'm

(11:37):
not hating on her. I don't remember aj Lee doing
anything that really separated her from the pack of any
of the other divas or whatever the hell they were
called at that time.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Am I wrong on that aj Lee was one of
the better divas at that time at a point when
everyone that we know now as a top diva was
in an XT Let's be honest about that. I don't
think that aj Lee was the best of a bunch

(12:12):
that was not a Grade eight bunch. She was a champion.
She was very well on the mic, in that same
Mercedes Monette way of your body flails because you're so
small and looked fragile. She was great at selling someone
else's offense. I believe she became almost like a cult
figure at a point to the WWE fan base.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, I just don't remember her really separating herself from
the pack. Now, look that being said, not a big
deal because if you didn't watch back then, but watch
the WWE Companion programming now, you would think Michelle McCool
was this badass in her day, and I don't think
she was very good at all.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
So very good or not, they did have her featured
in a lot of program her and uh it was
lay cool at the time. I believe they felt like
they were made to be at the top of the program. Again,
best of a bunch at a time where I don't
know if there was a great bunch. Oh shit, Okay,
So the other day I got asked, we were talking
about Mount Rushmore of wrestlers, you and I have had

(13:13):
this conversation. We started to take it talking about other wrestlers,
other genres. We got all the way into the women's genre,
and they were like, who do you put on your
Mount Rushmore and or women? Yeah, of women, And then
I was like, gup, and it's it's really I went
The first one that came off my mind was a

(13:34):
Landra Blaze Medusa that I really thought as a kid
stood out from the pack. And then I went to
it's hard to not say Charlotte Bailey and Becky Lynch
took the game to another level. So one of them
deserves to have a resurgence. Credit to what happened. You have,
Alita A Trish, What names were we're standing out for you?

Speaker 1 (13:58):
None of those? And again, look, when you're doing Mount Rushmores,
I can't believe we're actually doing this. Everything get rejected. Well, no,
if you do to Mount Rushmore, Fabulous Mula has to
be on it, Mildred Burke has to be on it.

(14:18):
You're probably putting Wendy Richter on it, so that only
leaves one spot.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, that's why we're talking more about just the best
women's wrestler is not really a Mount Rushmore because well, okay, different.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Fabulous Muller, Mildred Burke, Wendy Richter, Sherry Martell's got to
be up there, Medusa Slash, Elundra Blaze has to be
up there. Certainly today's women, in no particular order, Charlotte Flair,
Tony Storm, Becky Lynch. Although I don't like anything personally

(14:57):
Becky Lynch has done since coming back after having the kids,
I was a much bigger fan of hers before all
that personal preference.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Go ahead, remind me of this in a second, and
I got a question for you, But I don't want
to cut you off.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
But up, I have a particular fondness for a Bailey,
so she'd have to be in that conversation. But yeah,
I don't honestly, all right, So earlier we were talking
about what's old is New again, and we brought up
seeing a bloodline stuff. You had a bella on here.

(15:35):
It's like this with the men too, but I think
it stands out more with the women. There are only
a few that stand the test of time that have
super longngevity. That doesn't mean there's not a lot that
aren't good. Mickey James has certainly been very good. Gail
Kim has certainly been very good, but a lot kind

(15:57):
of coming. Like I brought up with Michelle McCool and
a Lee and you pointed out one, No, they both
had success called following Michelle mccoole, this dumb tag team
and all that, but a lot of them I think
people just come and go and people forget about that.
There aren't as many that have that longevity.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
The two questions that popped in my head while we
were talking is, and I want to start off with
this first one, which actually was the second one, do
we not give and is it okay to give the
Impact knockouts respect in that conversation because they nowhere had
the viewership of WWE, but even Tara out of point

(16:40):
when she was the Spider Chick in Impact, they had
some cage matches, Sir and Mickey James, g Kim. There
were some matches in Impact that at that time were
probably better wrestling matches and storylines than what was going
on in WWE. From the women's side.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, we talked a few weeks ago about how AW
and WWE view women's wrestling, and I think it's obvious
they view them differently. Even back then with the divas,
TNA at that time viewed women's wrestling much differently than
WWE was at that time. And if you're talking about wrestling,

(17:18):
TNA had better women's wrestling at that time than the
WWE divas at that time, much like I personally think
today AEW has the best women's wrestling. WWE may have
better characters subjective, but as far as wrestling, But yes,
I would agree with you, not just them, because of
the three you just mentioned, you could all tie into WWE.

(17:42):
Gail Kim, you could throw in there as well. But
you know you had ODB Madison Rain had some great
matches there that there were others. But yeah, it's all in.
It's just like as we talk about this pay per view.
I enjoyed this pay per view, but if you were
paying for it, I don't think you get near the
bank for your buck with it as you do with

(18:04):
an AEW pay per view. But again, it's subjective and
it's what you're wanting out of your wrestling product. And
certainly WWE has their way of doing business. Every every
company does, and let's be completely honest, It's worked out
okay for WWE up till now, hasn't it?

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Oh, it worked out well for them now. Yeah, second question,
the first question ends up being the second question is,
as we were talking about that character evolution, has Becky
Lynch had too much of it?

Speaker 1 (18:35):
A Probably? I would just rather her be the man
and go kick everybody's ass. But but again, when you've
got Rhea Ripley in that company, and that's look, I'm
not saying she stole Becky Lynch his gimmick because not.
But that's kind of what she is now, right, or
at least was in Hell. Maybe she's moving on from

(18:57):
that that a little bit so. But again, look, I'm
curious where they go with this. Does she become a
full fledged member of that stable. I don't see why not.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
It'll be fun to see Paul Hayman interact into the
women's division to start to put his influence on kind
of just there near Becky Lynch, not really having to
do too much because she already is great. Yea, from
that main event, we get the Becky Lynch interaction. I

(19:34):
also I love La Night. La Knight's got some real
Drew McIntyre vibes going for me here, like when Drew
McIntyre was like, am I not crazy? Am I the
only one that can see reality here? Because there were
some great points made on Monday Night by La Night
about the pay per view. Hey, Jay, we all agreed

(19:56):
to put steth through this table and then the three
of us can fight it out. You're the asshole. Hey,
I was gonna put stuff through this table by myself
with an elbow drop. You're the asshole. Why do you
keep ruining my plans when some of them were gonna
help you and you get in my way? So to
see Jay USO's mentality as a character starts to come

(20:16):
full fledged, that he's a little bit selfish and a
little bit bloodline focused. Only if he ain't his family,
it ain't his problem. I thought that was some interesting storytelling.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
It is, but it makes La Night look stupid. And
here's why I say that much like Okay, I spent
the last couple of months talking about how dumb they
made see him punk. Look, Oh we just got our
asses beat. But now we're backstanding. Let's shake hands and
battle it out. Ooh, nutshot. I didn't see that coming.
And then he gets you know, he just became too gullible.

(20:50):
I get where La Knight's coming from, and I get it.
You had three good guys versus the bad guys, So
it makes sense. Hey, we should work together. Motherfucker. They're
all trying to win. They're all trying to beat you
and get the belt. Yes, you can go in with
the plan, but you can't be surprised when somebody deviates
from that plan because they see an opportunity to capitalize

(21:13):
on something themselves. That makes you a schmuck.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
La Night, No, you got a good point. I think
they both had good points. Sure, there wasn't really a
bad thing. The only thing that didn't make sense to
me is when Jay told La Night on Monday Night,
So what are you trying to say, Bro, He's not
a whole lot right there? What do you mean what's
he trying to say? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:33):
I think it was obvious what he was trying to say, Yeah,
we all understood what he was trying to say.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
We could smell with who he was cooking. If we
need to go fully into La night being your older cousin, kit, can.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
We take a quick sidebar while we're smelling what's being
cooked and talking about bloodlines and all that. Whatever the
rock's smelling that's being cooked, he ain't eating it anymore.
I don't know if you caught him over the weekend.
My man's dropped something like sixty five pounds since he
finished filming the Mark Kerr movie. Not saying he looks

(22:05):
bad whatever, whatever, I'm just saying he has gone through
a transformation.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I thought that was Batista after tattoo removal, that was
the rock. I thought that was Batista baldad ready for
a new role. Yeah, startling. What happens when you take
your nutrition and training regiment in a different direction.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yes, I thought you were gonna say when you take
it seriously, and I was gonna be like, well, I
think he always takes his nutrition seriously, but yes, a
different level, different direction. Not trying to necessarily be this big,
hulked up, larger than life. Oh look, don't get me wrong,
He's still gotta physique most of us.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Would kill for, but he's probably lighter than he's been
in like thirty years.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Oh, I don't think there's probably much of a doubt
at all to that.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
That's the surprising part. We're just like you've always been.
Even if you watch young Rock as a as a
high school player, he was a hefty young boy.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
True true, all right sidebar over. In the end, Seth
Rollins gets his hand raised. We talked about Becky Lynch
interfering and helps Rollins win. You got a lot of
different places you can go from here. We mentioned, hey,
does this me and aj Lee's coming in? It would
certainly seem that way, but we'll have to see. But yeah,

(23:25):
a lot of different directions you can go. And Seth
Rowlins still has that belt.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
I yeah, I feel like we got the implication for
the mixed tag match. I guess we're gonna hold that
off all the way till quite possibly WrestleMania. Do you
think we go that far? Is it? Is it maybe
a Survivor Series spectacle or Royal Rumble match. I feel
like that's where it's leading. That doesn't do a lot
for me, Like you said, aj Lee's been gone for

(23:51):
so long, and at this point, Cmpunk is also seen
backstage every week talking to a different female talent. He
was just talking to Rhea Ripley. He's been a huge
soldier for Roxanne. I would rather see one of those
young talents actually share the stays with him. I get
the couple versus couple aspect, but Ann.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Here's something I'd be concerned about if I were WWE
and this was the path I was looking to go down.
And we'll skip around a little bit on this pay
per view, but the Women's icy title match Nikki Bella
and Becky Lynch. Look, it was fun to see Nicki
Bella back and all that. You could tell she had
not been wrestling in a while. The ring rust was there.

(24:39):
I don't mean she was terrible, but she was not
ready to be in a singles match like that. She
could have used a few more matches under her belt
getting ready for this match. That's something I'd be concerned
about bringing aj Lee in, who hasn't worked in a.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Very long time.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
And I know she was on one of the seasons
of heels, but they ain't exactly having a lot of
wrestling matches, you know, so that would concern me a
little bit because I didn't enjoy that match at all.
And I'm not just crapping all over Bella, but I
mean it's just facts are fact that Nikki Bella was

(25:21):
not ready to be in a singles match like that.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Didn't have the gears in motion, the engine wasn't in
full stride. Yeah, I agree with you. It didn't have
the smooth performance that we're looking for. It's the it
was the more clunky performance that we are getting used
to from WWE Women's division.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, for sure, John Cena Logan Paul. I like this
match because it was so much different than most of
your Logan Paul matches as far as no outside interference
from his crew, not a lot of cheating. He wrestled
and he showed that he could do that. Now, if

(26:04):
you didn't like Logan Paul before, you're probably still not
gonna like Logan Paul now. I do kind of like
Logan Paul, so I appreciated that the work here. I
think though you probably had a little bit different take
on this match.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
I didn't appreciate the match. I tried really hard to
just watch the event and be on an even heel
about it because we already know I'm kind of lean
towards the AEW style, so I wanted to be open
minded to this, and judging the entire pay per view
is kind of high low. It felt like a little
bit of a heart monitor, and for me, I just

(26:39):
couldn't get into this match because I couldn't myself get
around the feeling of knowing John Cena does impulsive. They're
really actually good friends. They don't have any animosity, They
were just tag team partners. Johnsena is obviously trying to elevate,
and like you put laid out next week, we women
to be surprised or laid out last week, not next week.

(27:01):
How would I know? Would you laid out in the future?
My bad? It on that one that John Cena may
give the rub to Logan as his retirement opponent. I
could see all that playing out. There looks to be
a real chemistry and kinship between them, and I don't
mean that like in the Rick Flair sting sense. I
mean that in like the hey, let's go to the
movies tonight, Yeah, buddy, let's go together kind of way.

(27:23):
And I couldn't get into that there was any real
animosity or heat between each other. It felt like when
they say this isn't ballet, this one felt a little
more ballet to me, a little more. John Cena's punches
were six inches off, and there was a lot of
essences where there wasn't consistent offense where I felt like

(27:45):
they were trying to hurt each other. I felt like
there was spots just set up to hey, let's do
this move like you would do with your buddy in
the backyard when you were friends.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
So it was like a lot of WWE women's matches,
and that's what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
I don't know how to compare this one. It wasn't horrible.
I just couldn't get into the story, the animosity, the hatred,
the John Cena's matt at Logan Paul for his wasted
talent and his harsh words towards the WWE audience. Bro,
you were just there doing the same thing. This was

(28:20):
not a high mark for me. Logan Paul talented, he
is obviously a big deal to WWE, to the fan base.
I just cannot get into this match.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
No, and look, I can't argue with you on that.
You feel the way you feel. I will tell you
part of your problem is we're not supposed to remember
the John Cena He'll turn and all that. None of
that actually had. That was like a bad dream. You're
in the shower the next morning and all of a sudden,
Sena pops his head in and everything's like it always was.

(28:52):
By the way, that's a Dallas reference the nighttime soap opera,
not anything else. When I talk about you shower, John
Ceta pops has headed. I should clarify that for most
of you people who probably don't remember the TV show
Dallas and Bobby Ewing dying and at the end of
the season, Oh, he's not dead anymore. It was all
a dream. He's actually coming back to the show. Patrick

(29:15):
Guffy was that care He was on a show with
Suzanne Summers. You might remember that one micah as opposed
to Dallas. But yeah, I realized that. As I said
at John Ceda pops his head in the shower, I'm like,
oh shit, I got to explain this because people are
not gonna have any idea what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
This is where I can't remember three months ago of
John Cena, but we need to remember five years or
so of Bloodline because we still get the whole Roman reigns.
Earlier in the I is destroyed, absolutely destroyed by Bron
and Braun after beating I guess we'll go read and

(29:55):
break her because bron and Braun is just gonna get
us all confused at for a while, right, isn't that
something we should clear up? But either way, because I'm
not calling son one son, that's just not happening. But yeah,
Reed does like eight million big splashes. Roman is taken
out that hurt Jay Monday night. Jay can't get over

(30:17):
the vision, so Jimmy comes back. And I still don't
know where we're going with this whole blood line thing
because Roman wears like three necklaces and he is the
undisputed leader the blood line. But now we're all equals
and cousins to reunite because we have to bring down
this menacing evil that we've never seen before. No, it's

(30:40):
actually the same evil you guys were a couple months ago.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, they've never seen it because they were on the
other side of it. They were the Yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Why I care a little bit less about their plight
is because turn about is fair play. My good friends,
Jill M Kevin Owens of it all.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Here's what killed it for me. I don't I'm fine
the bloodline stuff. Jimmy USO does nothing. I just see
him as less than so and I get it. Look,
storyline wise, Romans out for a while. Real life wise,
Roman's out for a while because he's going to film
Street Fighter. But all right, so Jay's got to have

(31:19):
somebody to help carry that bloodline torch while Roman's gone.
Who better than Jimmy. They'd have been better off. Sammy's
ain offering to help him out or something, But he,
at least for the next few weeks, is on a
different show now, So.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Then yeah, go ahead. When they destroyed Roman, I was
profoundly upset.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I'm like, he's gone again already.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
He's been here for like three weeks.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (31:45):
He's gone again already?

Speaker 1 (31:47):
You brought him back to beat Bronson read at a
pay per view, By the way, read even in defeat,
he looked really good. I think, first of all, Ronson
should have gotten the win, but he didn't. But I
thought he looked as good as he possibly could in defeat.

(32:09):
If that makes any sense at all.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
No, it makes a lot of sense. But I do
agree with you that to perpetuate even more the fearsomeness
of him, that he's a real threat. He should get
a win in a real match instead of uh, Read
and Breaker just attacking people afterwards, Breaker gets wins.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Read does not. Yeah. Yeah, I did not care for
the tag team. I just don't like the way at six.
That's and by the way, it's not like they're terrible
in the ring in twenty twenty five. I have a
hard time with the supernatural stuff. And you know, when
they debuted, they murdered everybody, but everybody was alive the

(32:50):
next week, me personally, and it is very possible I'm
in the minority here and that's fine if i am.
I can't get past all that. I don't care about
the supernatural stuff anymore. So the Wyats just don't do
a lot for me.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
There was something off to me when Bo shows up
back as Bo without the Uncle Howdy stuff talking to them,
and even during the match, I believe that Michael Cole
alluded to oh and Rowan once thought he was a rabbit,
and I think he even basically said each persona was
just in their head, except for Nicky, who's still sitting

(33:29):
there with the mask and we got bo Dallas back
his uncle Hottie, but the other three were just a
psychosis that weren't actually ever wearing those heads that we
all clearly saw them wearing. They're trying too hard to
make sense of something that doesn't make sense because they
don't know where they're going with it.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Well, and that's the problem with doing the supernatural stuff.
You can't make sense of it outside of the Undertaker,
And no doubt about it, Undertaker and outlier here, what
supernatural character has actually worked long term? Papa Shango, Like,
how many times did you see him make opponents throw
up and spew the the vile liquid and stuff like

(34:10):
that before you're like, this is fucking hokey, the Boogeyman
with the worms and all that. Again, I get what
you're trying to do, And at least back then you
were marketing a lot to kids, so maybe the supernatural
stuff played in a little more, but outside of the Undertaker,
that shit just don't work.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Caine had a good run Mankind, Nick Foley's Mankind had
a good run, and bray Wyatt a good run.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
But not supernatural runs, right, But look, Mankind wasn't supernatural.
He didn't have mystical powers. Now he hung out in
boiler rooms and shit like that. Even bray Wyatt when
he was his best, he was like the creepy dude
from Cape Fear.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
That first bray Wyatt really was incredible, or.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
He was the children's host, you know, it wasn't so
much the supernatural, so it was more of the mystery
the as opposed to doing magic, murdering people who aren't dead, whatever.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
It's tough, and I think you're very limited in what
you can do and how far you can go with it,
and I think we found that out very early on
with the Wyatt six.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Wyatt six doesn't do it for me. I don't know
what the homage was that the street profits were rocking,
even though I know a lot of people into anime,
I wasn't sure what that one was. And the will
they have a dissension? Won't they have a disension? I
thought we were over this with the street profits. It's
it's almost as annoying as what they were doing with
the acclaim for a while.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did enjoy Seamus and
russeph uh that that was fun for me. It also
highlighted how criminally underused. They both are, but Russev not
that long return to WWE. Seamus has been misused.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
For a while now.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
I would rather see them in a high profile tag
team role than I would the Wyat six, And I'm
not suggesting they should put them together, but they could
both be doing a whole lot more.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
They could be doing a lot more. Do you add
really that thought of Seamus and Russev to that boat
with Bailey possibly in the what are you doing with
some of these people? There's so much you could be doing.
I'm asking what are you doing well?

Speaker 1 (36:39):
To Look, let's be fair, it's hard to make everybody
a main eventor it's hard for everybody to win every
match when somebody has to lose these matches, and they
obviously have other people that they're looking to push in
things like that. But yeah, again, I'm not saying you've
got to put a world title on Shamus or Russeph

(37:01):
or Bailey for that matter, although you should with Bailey
at least, but they could be used a lot better
than they are.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
I don't can nitty gritty yeah AJ styles Seamus Russev
should be way more used and way more highlighted than
how can we find three people, should I'll give you
four names. Everyone that has an MFT in their damn name.
Yeah that those those are all TV a lot compared
to the guys that can really work.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
That's probably fair. That's probably fair. Having said all that,
all in all, all in all, I enjoyed the pay
per view. I thought it was fun for what it was. Again,
the Wyatts just don't hit for me, but the match
itself wasn't bad. I'm not a huge Street profits fan either,
but I didn't hate the match. I just kind of

(37:52):
like you were talking about with with Sena and Logan Paul.
But for different reasons, I just couldn't get into this
match because I don't buy into the hocus pocus of
the Wyat six.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
The WWE tag team division is not where I'm gonna
find my deepest entrigue. And in some roundabout way, by now,
I think we actually did finally hit all of the clash.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
I was skimming through to make sure we didn't skip
a match because we were moving around. No, we did
hit it all. I will say this, if you are
in the camp that is damn aw, pay per views
are way too long. You will never think that with
a WWE pl e unless it's a WrestleMania SummerSlam something
like that. They're gonna come in just under the three

(38:38):
hour mark, just after the three hour mark, depending and
that's gonna be it. You're gonna get your five matches
or so, and that's gonna be the card.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
You know what to expect. So you know how WW
is packing that snack lunch you get every day.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Oh in Ah, Mike, I enjoyed a WWE clash in
pairs over in Aew coming off of Forbidden Door. We
had dynamite and collision both at the twenty three hundred arena.
What were your thoughts on just the arena itself, the atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
I somehow in my childhood, in my love of ECW,
I remember it being wider, not that the stands went higher,
but that to the sides of the camera, I remember
them shoving in more people. It felt like.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
I'm glad aw ran there, the nostalgia and all that.
I hope they never do another residency there again. And
I know we're there again this week and maybe the
next week. I don't know, but just two weeks. It's
just two weeks, okay. I thought it looked really really small.

(39:56):
It looked really really indie, and not in a good way.
That is not a way the number two company in
the world should be presenting its product now. Again, don't
get me wrong, I understand why they were there, and
all that's fine. I thought for a Dynamite and Collision
the same way. It didn't bother me nearly as much

(40:19):
for the Ring of Honor show Friday night.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
But it should have been a Ring of Exclusive Residency,
I agree.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
But the whole time watching Dynamite, I just thought, damn,
this just looks so less than.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
It did, look way too small and intimate. And there
was a quote earlier in the week someone somewhere with
John moxleyn. He said, ae w, it's how you remember
wrestling as a kid, and and with that venue, it
is because it looked like WCW Saturday Night to me.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Ouch, And that's not right. No, that's not what you
should be shooting for. That being said, Look, I enjoyed Dynamite,
but I'd be less than honest if I didn't tell
you that the whole damn show, I kept going back
to the crowd and think, this just doesn't look good.
Not to say that this crowd Yeah, not to say

(41:18):
the crowd wasn't into it. I actually think NXC looks better.
I just think the setup, the presentation makes it look better.
I just thought I just did not like the look
of this at all. That being said, can't change that.
Enjoyed the hell out of Christian and Cope their interactions
with FTR. I thought that was fun. That gets us

(41:39):
that match at the pay per view in Toronto. No
real surprise there, but that that will get us to all.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Out go into Toronto or turn home for edging Christian.
That's gonna be something special.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, we had Moxley versus Daniel Garcia before we get
into that real quick, How do you go from fucking
wrestling John Moxley, the former champ on Dynamite, to wrestling
Blake Christian at fucking Collision three nights later?

Speaker 2 (42:21):
The hell good manager has you on a rebound one
you lose one, you lose one hard. You need that
confidence back. We're gonna give you a layup, that nice
easy basket. Come on, we need to see you make
one to get back in the rhythm. Danny.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Remember how we were talking about WWE earlier and evolving
characters and things like that. If anybody needed a character redevelopment,
a character shift, it's Daniel Garcia.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Is it coming? Could it be coming?

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Do?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Okay? I don't know if Tony Cohen has the ability
to write a script and direct that happen. I think
that Dani Garcia is gonna have to facilitate it. But
I'm really hoping that with this mud hole that we've
stomped in any kind of win for the Death Riders
except for these meaningless singles matches. I wonder if it

(43:15):
leads to an elevation in a remake, in a largeening,
not down don Kalus family largening, but a increase in
participation of members to the Death Riders. And now appears
that gave Kid is full on and on aw.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
They need to do something. It's obvious they're high on Garcia,
so freakin'. I just I don't think what they're doing
with him now is working, Whether that's a He'll turn
which I thought we were going to get at Forbidden Door.
I thought he was going to turn on Nigel McGinnis.
To be honest, we need to see something.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Here, and maybe we do. John Moxley. After the match,
you get the interaction. I find that it's an interesting
use of Wheeler. You that he's now the death Writer
spokesman John Moxley giving him a job a microphone Claudio's
just in the back. John Moxley is obviously planting seeds

(44:19):
of his new recruits, Daniel Garcia and Statlander. I like
the the intrigue of the storytelling that is going on
with these possible recruits.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
I and look, I didn't want I don't want Statlander
to join the Death Riders. I don't want Daniel Garcia
to join the Death Riders. However, let's look at this
from a company standpoint. If you're the Death Riders and
you see Don Kallis signing everyone with a pulse, You're like,
all right, just sheer numbers alone, we're going to be

(44:53):
the disadvantage against them unless we go out and get
people as well. When you look at it from that standpoint,
it may makes a lot of sense that you're wanting
to grow the Death Riders. So maybe there is something
to the Statlanders stuff. Maybe there is something to the
Daniel Garcia stuff. Wheeler Utah, by the way, they fucking

(45:13):
hated his ass in Philadelphia. I got to kick out
of how much they booed the ever loving shit out
of Wheeler.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Dah, authentic booze, no piped in shit his real home
crowd hating him like he deserves to be good. Shit
there for a guy that really needs a fucking haircut.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
No, no, no, that man looked like a damn GQ
man compared to Hook. My man, hook looked like he
rolled out of bed he went out there, Micah, he
was still wearing his mother fucking pajamas when he got
out there and started kicking ass. BedHead pj's on. I'm
gonna kick your ass and then I'm gonna walk back
to the back. The hell.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Does it and makes it look easy. Hook line and sink.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Hook line and sinker. Yeah you like that one, but
me seriously go back. My man was wearing his pj's.
He had his camouflage pajama pants on. I forget the
shirt he was wearing that that you could tell he
just got out of bed.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
You know, those pants came off the same rack as
the ones that Jacob Fatu was wearing in Paris, the
ones that were camouflaged with like the pink riding on him.
Maybe don't know where these dudes are shopping the ain't
got my style.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Maybe having said all that, I am curious where they
go with just rolled out of bed Hook.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I don't And you know Garcia just rolled out of
bed Hook with the new music because they lost the
rights to the Action Bronson song and a lot of
death Rider implications all there in one. So there's a
lot of pathways.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
The Hook stuff. Now, I'll let it play. See how
he goes. But he comes back. Doesn't seem like he's
a bad guy. So why isn't there any interaction with
the Ops? You know, the group he was last with.
When we last saw him, he was still part of
the Trio Champions. Remember he got hurt and they slightly
switched that belt over to Hobbs. So either you're mad

(47:18):
about that or you're cool with it. But either way,
you should be going after them or be with them,
shouldn't you.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
It feels like there should be some feelings. You're right,
there needs to be some storytelling and instead of going
directly at Wheeler DA, it feels like, yeah, this would
need to be an address situation. But they kind of
left us hanging after double or Nothing, where he did
pop up help them retain but didn't want to sell
Lebray backed out. We saw him use a chair. I

(47:49):
don't know what to make of it, but that's part
of the intrigue. Is where is this going with hook?

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah? Yeah for sure. And again, look they're telling stories here,
so let's see what happens. But yeah, the women's tag match,
I thought it was fine for what it was. Stat
Lander and Harley Cameron get to win over by Penelope
before the Meghan Bain.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Megan Bain, have you noticed that her and Charlotte Flair
have the same problem can't keep their their bitches on? Oh?

Speaker 1 (48:22):
I thought you were gonna say, going through husbands.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Did Bay and Joey Janella already break up? I don't.
I don't know. I just mean they basically wear the
same attire, and it seems like whoever makes their trunks,
they're both constantly having to adjust them and and pull
them back up throughout the match and slow down. Wait, wait, wait,
my shorts are falling. I just feel like that's an

(48:48):
issue for both of them. But Megan Baine a beast
looking like a future beast if you can treat her
well enough. And then stat Lander with the submission win
wasn't bad. Again, We're building towards possibly aw women's tag
team titles. And I think that's where it gets interesting.
Where does Statlanders Allegiance end up? Lying we still had

(49:12):
the interaction with Willow Nightingale, which this time Harley Cameron,
you know, Intercedes, But what was Willow coming out there
to do? Who knows?

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Yep. Yeah, we got that segment with Mercedes Monet, which
was fine if it had been forty five seconds long,
because that's all it took to get to the purpose
of it. But then it kept going on and on
and on and on and on, and it might still
be going Micah, I'm not sure wins yep, yep. Brodido money, Yeah,

(49:47):
Brodido and Jet Speed versus sixteenth of the don Kallis family.
I think we couldn't just get a Brodido title defense.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Didn't they lose here? Wait? Who won here?

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (50:04):
No, that the Callous Family won. But I mean, why
couldn't we just have Broddo come out and beat the
Outrunners or somebody or the frat boys from ROH or something.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Because for some reason they wanted the Callous Family to win.
So I'm with you, but it more should have just
been Callous Family versus jet Speed in that predicament and
not Brodido. I understand why jet Speed's there. They're there
to take the loss so that Brodido does not. Uh,
because wasn't this the this was the match where we

(50:40):
did have the takeshna Okata hostilities, And yes, was that
a bigger emphasis? Was that more of a reason to
have this match is they're gonna come to a head
that there can only be I guess, one strong Japanese
man in the Callous family.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
It should be no surprise when half the company is
managed by Don Kallas that sometimes members of the don
Kallis family are gonna be at odds. I mean, it's
just it's the percentages, right, So we'll see how Don
manages all that. I'm going to assume that Takeshka is

(51:20):
gonna eventually leave that group, but we'll see how that
plays out. But yeah, when half the roster is managed
by Don Kallas, don Kallas family members are gonna be
at odds from time to time.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
I thought there was enough there to make Josh Alexander
finally kind of seem important, getting a victory elevate him
to the level of not feeling like Rocky Romero in
this group, trying to bring him up to it, at
least a Lance Archer level in the group. I do
like the way the Don Kallais family is forming, where

(51:53):
you can have Rocky Romero as this little weasel and
Callous doesn't have to get involved, and Archers the big
heavy and everyone else is going to be an action.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
I don't know Don Callous, great manager, flawless speaker of Spanish.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Ola. See, I think Don Callous might disagree with you.
It was a work.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
No no, no, no, no, no no. I was speaking Spanish.
See that that's yes, not the letter see as like
a letter grade.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Oh I was a little bit.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
See, I see you are far behind Don Callous on
the Rosetta stone learning Spanish course. But uh, that's okay.
The the Trio. I enjoyed the Trios match. I was
not high on Ricochet and Gates of Agony when they formed,
nor was I high on them after the first few weeks.

(52:53):
But they're being used a little better lately, of course,
coming off of Forbidden Door taking out the Hurt Syndicate.
I I enjoyed the the Trios match in the end, though,
of course, uh, the Ops get the win.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Ops get to win. Ops looked strong.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
G o A.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
It wasn't that big of a step back because you
do have the stab in the back from MVP, the
big Cane shot. I absolutely loved dead ricochet. As the
g o A went to go battle the hurt Syndicate,
they just let ricochet drop. That was absolute dude.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
You know, dude, you missed your opportunity. You loved o
A ricochet while the g o A goes after such
and such such a Come on, man, it was right
there for you.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Jesus, Mario, play bad Mario.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
So not only do you need to catch up on
your Rosetta Stone Spanish courses, you need to catch up
on your your clever pun courses as well.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Oh la miamo, s Micah. I think I just said hello,
my name is Mica. I was already on the Rosette
of Stone. That's where I look at you up on.
You're gonna be iusiness.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yes, you're gonna be a young don Kallis in no
time at all. See I think he did a movie.
But I look at you, look at you. I like that.
The main event false count Anywhere Darby Alley Claudio Castagnoli.
First of all, Darby Allen's fucking crazy man.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Fuck yeah he is. I love him.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Heah, I do too. I feel like he's going to
be a cripple by the time he's thirty five. I
hope that's not the case. I would like to think
bouncing off the announced table and all that, that wasn't
nearly as painful as it looked. But I guess it
was probably as painful as it looked, if not more.

(54:55):
There was a lot of stuff going on there. I
enjoyed the hell. I thought it was a fantastic match.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Things that WWE does on pay per viewer p L.
It's a regular Wednesday night for Darby Allen. And there's
a reason why some guys only work sparingly. There's a
real reason, though, why Darby Allen is a treat and
deserves to only work sparingly. He puts his body through
stuff that only few could believe.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Yeah, it was a spectacle and and a good I
mean that in an absolutely good way. But man, there
was a lot going on there.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
There's a lot going on there there. There's there's a
few things, Uh, Darby are are He said no? He
was told no by Wheeler. You to told no, do
we get mocks Darby here all out? Do you think
it could end up being maybe Gabe kid Darby some

(55:56):
other kind of death right or gauntlet there? Is that
what he's going to have to run to get to
Mosley out all out?

Speaker 1 (56:05):
I think he's gonna have to run the death rider
gauntlet and about the time he thinks he's there, pack
probably comes back and he's got to run through him
as well.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Pack coming back. That'd be stacked sure.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
By the way I skipped over this, you notice my
man Mark Brisco looks like he's deaged by ten years.
I noticed it a couple of weeks ago with with
the hair that like had been dyed. Now he's shaved
it again, but the beard looks a little darker. He
looks a little younger. You think maybe somebody pulled him

(56:39):
aside and said, look, the gray is making you look
a hell of a lot older than you actually are
with your style. The old look and your style just
makes you look like an older guy. Maybe a little
a little die in the beard or something a little
just from men, or something to kind of youth in

(57:03):
yourself up a little.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
It's not a bad decision. I think it's been a
plus I think it's been.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Good for him.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
MJF had a pointed promo, and then Hangman has a
pointed promo, and then Mark Briscoe has a pointed promo,
and somehow this also leads to Kyle Fletcher's engagement and everything.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Yeah, yeah, we skipped over the in JF promo, which
I thought was really good. That the Hangman's stuff as well. Yeah,
all in all, I enjoyed Dynamite. I hope they never
go back to the twenty three hundred arena.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
I just I didn't think it was a good look already,
this is the best title run of the career for
Hangman page but bringing that up, we also got reminded
in We also got a reminder in the in Collision

(57:59):
that he had a former tag team partner, Kenny Omega.
Kenny Omega looks like he's about to head to the
d L again or the IL.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
I don't, yes, but I don't know if that's not
by design, beaten up, grizzled veteran for lack of a
better term, sorry grizzled young veterans. But yeah, he does.
But I kind of think that's my design. I don't know,
we'll see. I guess.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Are you ready for the Triangle of Madness to already
be elevated to the timeless spot?

Speaker 4 (58:43):
No?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
So I'm not ready for this.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Are we not only going to get women's tag team
titles but women's trios titles as well? No?

Speaker 2 (58:53):
No, No, I think right now we're leaning towards Decla
versus timeless Tony storman quite possibly the other two left
over now Sky Blue and Julia Harr being in that
women's tag tournament. But I just don't think we're ready
for Thecla to go against Tony Storm. It's gonna crush her.
Tony Storm is just gonna absolutely crush Tecla in the

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well rivalry if happens.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
If done right, If done right, it's a good way
to elevate Tecla like.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
You did with.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Ship. I can't ever remember a name old girl that left.
Thank you, Mariah May. Mariam A didn't meet Tony Storm
the first time, but you laid the groundwork for making
it a possibility. So we'll see where they go with that.
But yeah, I don't hate on that again. It will

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let it play out in all that good stuff. But uh,
it'll be interesting.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Because we did at one point have Jamie Hayter and
thatcla having the brawl outside. All of a sudden, there's
no more Jamie Hayter. And at the end of the night,
a couple spears here and there, and the Triangle of
Madness even is standing on top of Tony Storm. So

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I don't want to jump things here, but it feels
like we started something and they're gonna shift the gears
right away where the Jamie Hayter feud is gonna be
really short lived and we're gonna quickly move that Triangle
of Madness over to focusing on Tony Storm. You're probably
right on that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
I'd be remiss since we've brought it up the last
couple of weeks. I didn't point out that the winds
keep rolling in for Hologram. He defeats Jay Lethal on collision.
I think that makes him like seventy five and oh or.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Something, and now there's a clone bad version coming. Did
you know how many mass lutadors there are in Ring
of Honor. There's quite a few guys.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Well, for a long time there were like a couple
of guys who were multiple characters, but yeah, they're a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
So who knows who's gonna come back and be the
clone or is this gonna be where Hologram is wrestling
under two different masks, being a good version of bad version.
We wait to see how the Hologram transpires, unfolds what
we see.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
I don't know, and I said seventy five, and oh,
I think he's thirty and oh, now maybe thirty one
and oh but still man on a win streak like
that needs a title.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Shot, big record, big win streak. Also a big one
for Big Bill the Redwood there putting down Juice Robinson.
Did anybody benefit from that match?

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
I guess big Bill did since he won. But no,
I don't, No, I don't think. I mean it was
a typical big man squashes a little man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Did you also notice that Dante Martin? It just doesn't
seem to be on camera, but it seems to be
a real thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
The dude's just.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Packing on the pounds and eating a lot. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Maybe we're gonna get a super heavyweight belt in aw.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
And Dante Martin decided to go from luchador to meet
match champion or something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
I don't know. If you want to hang with the
Brody Kings of the world, you got to beef up.
I guess I don't know beef ups that look like JD. Drake,
who is back all of a sudden, Well, I think
FTR needed to beat somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Should have been somebody that could lift though for their finisher.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Well, I think that shows the versatility of FTR, Micah
or something.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
I don't know. All in all, I enjoyed aew and
everything this week. I'm intrigued to see where we're going
with the death writers. Does anything else intervene and grab
a Hangman page attention or is MJF taking care of

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Mark Brisco and then we're going right back to Hangman
because I don't understand how this triangle is gonna work
with the three of them kind of cutting promos about
each other.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
I think somebody has to step in for a little
while for Hangman to fight, because it does look like
in JF at least momentarily is gonna be a little sidetracked.
But but we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Good. An instinct for me is that it's going to
be a member of the Kallis family. We did have
Don come out. He cut the promo on Hangman page,
and I'm guessing that gave us an indication who's going
to be the one to intercede. It could be any
member of that faction, Wardlow maybe as his return. I
don't know if I love that, but maybe it's Okada
and Takeshna are you doing about who gets that opportunity?

(01:04:01):
Because I think Will Osprey or Kyle Flaker will be
busy with something else.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Let me save you the trouble, Mike. It could be
Josh Alexander, could be Rocky Romero, could be Trimperetta, could
be Kyle Fletcher, could be Damn. I thought I could
go further before I had trouble naming all the members Sister,
so many of them, but you get my point. It
could be any of them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
And I couldn't believe that earlier you had already taken
it from me. I thought the Blake, the Blake beat down,
I was gonna be able to make sure fun of
that because I was like Garcia Pyle drives Blake, not
Blake Shelton, not Blake Jackson. It'd be better if it
possibly was, But it was Blake Christian. That was my
whole thought from that one. He looks like Blake Jackson,

(01:04:47):
but he got smashed, Like yeah, because he's Blake Christian.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Who the fuck's Blake Jackson.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
That's what he looks like. He wants to be the
third member of that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Oh oh, that's right, that's right. Okay, I got you now,
I'm sorry, I got now. I forgot you brought that
up the other week.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Ye. A couple of things, A couple of.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Things real quick on the Ring of Honor pay per view,
the difference in aw and Ring of Honor. First of all,
fifty thousand dollars match, Dalistico defeats Adam Priest and Helico
and ar Fox, No. Four hundred thousand, no million pesos, whatever, whatever,
A little different there. Bandido and Cicero was freaking phenomenal

(01:05:35):
and as great as it was Athena and Mina Shirakawa
might have been better, different, but might have actually been better.
Those two matches at the top of that card were phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Pas match I've ever seen from Mina Sharrakawa easily. Some
of her stuff has come up short. This one delivered
in a way I did not expect, like you did
it expect. A couple other things on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Right, Apparently nobody likes Sammy Gavara or at least von
Erics don't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Yeah, dude, this is the best use of Sammy Gavar
joining LFI. Now my only question is did he replace Bmorthos?
Is be smarrestone that it's not in there? Do we
have a four man crew, because now we have tag champions,
and now we have a fifty thousand dollars winner, and
we have a beast who is left in his cave.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
I don't I guess they didn't need the Beast.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
I like Sammy Gavara though, joining Rooche and drag Alistico.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Yeah. Also, if you're into such things, q T Marshall
and Paul walter Hauser was crazy. Now. I don't like
Paul Walter Hauser as a wrestler, but when you have
a match like this, where it's not chain wrestling and

(01:07:02):
holds and things like that, it's just let's put each
other through tables. Here, I'm gonna hit you with the
golden globe. Let's do this, let's do that. This match
was a spectacle, and if you like spectacles, you should
probably go check this one out. Check this one out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Oh yeah, you didn't mention we killed the lead do
two technical difficulties with the internet stream provider Tony Kahan
has given this one to us for free, right, so
I'm looking at it right now. Ring of Honor Death
before Dishonor pay per View eight twenty nine, twenty five, Philadelphia, PA.
You can get the full show. It was a Honor

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YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Yes, they wound up streaming it live on YouTube, and
yes it still lives there. You can watch it for free.
Go check it out. It was a really good show.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
We probably worth watching.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Yeah, we probably did not do it justice with our
quick recap of it, but yeah, it was really good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Me Gavara the heel turn, it was great, well executed.
I don't think anybody liked him with the Sons of
Texas and oh my gosh, yeah, the there's a lot
of roughness to be smoothed out with the vn Erics
that I just don't know if ever we'll come to fruition.
If there was a way to get them a manager,

(01:08:21):
that would be incredible. Start.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Well, you know, their dad is a coach there. Now,
I don't know that he's the best mouthpiece in the world,
but yeah, if we hadn't finally found a home for
Stokely Hathaway with FTR, I would say he might would
make a good manager for for the vin Erics, but.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Yeah, I don't even think we can have him joined
the Don Kallis family at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Oh no, Now the vin Erics versus Rocky, Romero and
Trimp Peretta winners are in the Kallis family losers or not.
I could see that opening a pay per view.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Can't we just made that switch. I think that Rocky
and Trent are not in need of the mouthpiece and
the way that the Vaughan Erics are. But Ring of
Honor looks beautiful, looks proper, felt right in that venue.
Not the same feeling that you got from me. Aw no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Yeah no, it actually worked for Ring of Honor. I
felt like it did not work for a W and
I guess we'll have to to I'm curious that they
changed the setup at all this week for dynamiting and collision.
My guess is they probably don't. But I just I
didn't like it. It just it didn't work for me.

(01:09:39):
But again, look that's just me. And if it worked
for you, that's great. If it worked for you guys
and gals listening, that's fine as well. I just thought
it looked very bush league.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
I can understand. I can understand fun weekend for wrestling.
In France, we had Paris, we have the Eiffel Tower.
I'm glad that at some point w is going to
be returning because I can't watch raw live if I
don't know when it's on live.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
But you can still watch it at the regular It's
still there for you when you're ready for it. You
go watch it right now if you wanted to. But
I hear you, when it's the middle of the afternoon
and you already know everything that happened, it does make
it a little harder to watch it when you're accustomed
to watching it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
The Sammy z Ain went over solo Sokola grabbing the
US title, it just didn't hit the same know when
it had already happened. So yeah, looking forward to that
selfishly enough, sorry to the international fans that feel the
opposite way, but yeah, looking forward to that good week
ind wrestling, looking forward to another great one. You want
to talk to me about it, It's at frankl Micah

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Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
You can get the show on X at PW after hours.
You can get me at Real Mike Curlisle. We will
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