Ep 314: WWE Saturday Night's Main Event Preview. AEW Building To Full Gear.

Episode 314: WWE looks to crown a new World Champion on Saturday Night's Main Event. AEW is building towards Full Gear.  All the latest news. 














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Speaker 1 (00:06):
What's up, everybody? Welcome back to pro Wrestling after Hours.
It's Michael Carlisle, joined as always by Micah Franco. Micah,
I was shaking, man shaken.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
I think I'm more like in a grooving today because
my feet are grooving to the ivories being tickled.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
By I did not know this is where we were
going to start, and this makes us derail the whole
damn show. I don't care how you like your wrestling,
whether it's grappling, whether it's chain wrestling, whether it's Luca's style,
whether it's meat matches, whether it's scientific classes or classics

(00:49):
or clobern or syringes and blowtorches, None of that matters.
Few things in wrestling are better than the entrance video
for the Conglo brand new video. I believe they debuted
it last week. It's kind of friends esque, shall we say.

(01:09):
But inside that video, if you study it and you
watch it, and I have multiple times, there's a moment
where is she is tickling the ivories, he has playing
the piano.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
It's stuck with my heart.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
The sumbitch doesn't even talk. I wasn't sure he knew
how to do anything other than beat the hell out
of people. The man apparently you play piano, or at
least fake it for a video. I was impressed.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
He communicates with his hands. You said it. He beats
the hell out of people. Then he tickles the ivory.
He communicates with his hands. It's not quite sign language,
but it's workmanship.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
It's a shame that the rest of his body doesn't
move as fast as his fingers.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
That was as fast as he ever moved in that
math with pac I'm not just talking about the entrance
video now, but that's as fast as he ever moved.
And I'm surprised that the congobiration. We need them to
break off into a real world series. That's what I'm thinking.
That looked like the real world Seattle opening mixed in
with friends.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
We could literally do the whole show.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
We won't.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
I promise we could literally do the whole show. Just
dissecting the video, that video was amazing. Arch Cassidy walks in,
he's kind of shrugs.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Eh.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
But there's also like an element to Phonsie in the
Happy Days opening. For those of you who are a
little older, you can eat dude, that shit. Yeah, if
you want, there's a lot there. Let's just put it
like that.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
There was a lot there, Like I did it. This
is what we needed. Aw, you got a great background
creation department when you let them work those Bendido vignette. Amazing,
this intro amazing, the welcome to Sports Center. This is
AEW commercial with powerhouse Hobs smashing the multiple keyboards. If

(03:10):
you haven't seen that yet, Yeah, yeah, spectacular, spectacular, Tackla
spidering through the hallways, scaring interns. I love the homage
that we're getting to things that we know in these vignettes.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
It reinforces things. And yeah, I've spent I bet you
like in the editing bay. Nobody watched that damn video
more than I've watched it.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I do we need to get you help for this?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Possibly? Yeah, I'm not even saying it like it's a
great thing or oh look at me. I watched the
conglomeration video over and over. It could be a cry
for help. You may you may be onto something there,
but it it tickled the shit out of me. Micah,
it tickled the shit.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Out of me. It tickled to Pink.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Sure, ah, if that's the way we need to go
with that.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
But it's not like the rest of AW wouldn't tickle
you bloody well.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
That's a fair point. In addition to the sweet conglabortion video,
we did get the brackets for the AW Women's Tag
Team Championship rackets. I'm just a little surprised there aren't more.
I'm not hating it. I'm surprised there aren't more teams
involved in this, and that Tony Kahn's not making it

(04:41):
a bigger deal.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Maybe it just feels a lot opposite of the women
The tournament that we described felt like the tournament they
already did when they did the women tag tournament that
ended up with like the rings or the gold medals.
I can't remember back then what they won, but I
think that's what our expectation was. And this hones in
to a little more of just the heart of ae W.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
It does. I like it. I think it's cool that
almost every team has a name, hej Top Gods, Timeless
Love Bombs. I like to be in that explosion, Babes
of Wrath, Sisters of Sin. And then you got Queen

(05:30):
Aminada and Jimmie Hayter and Mercedes Monet and Athena. I'm
most surprised Mercedes is in this. Don't hate on it.
My guess is it leads to her turning on to
Athena when Athena takes the pinfall somewhere along the way
in this tournament, and we wind up with a match
between those two. But that none of the other teams

(05:51):
really surprised me. Maybe Alex Windsor and Rihoachist a little
bit because.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
I've never heard Alex Winsor go right.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I've never thought of them as a team before. But
other than that, I like it.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I think it's pretty obvious what our finals are.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Oh, it's going to be the timeless love Bombs, and
I'm going to assume Mercedes and Athena, Yeah, I would assume.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
So. So then that leads to the quest for multiple belts.
Monet to now go after the Ring of Honor title
or does does something happen? Maybe and Red Velvet ends
up interrupting because Mercedes still has to unify the Ring
of Honor Television Championship with the current champion who was

(06:39):
injured leaving the belt. Then interim. Yeah, that's a lot,
that's a lot.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
I don't I'm fine with, you know, Ultimo Monet and
all that, but let her keep collecting outside belts, because
how are you gonna do At some point in time,
she's got to start dropping some of those belts, right,

(07:06):
So she's TBS champion, all right, So she drops the
interim Ring of Honor TV title whatever. Doesn't that diminish
her stock as the TBS champion And if she's won
half of the World Tag Team Champions, yeah, I don't.
I think you gotta be careful with loading her up

(07:29):
on in company belts.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Well that's where I wonder more if it's a somehow
red Velvet's the distraction in that title match at the Shacks,
mone Athena gets penned, then the iyre isn't on Athena,
and Money it's Money moves over to Ring of Honor
to finish what she has with Relph Velvet. And now
she's holding the minor title for both Ring of Honor

(07:53):
or the secondary women's title for Ring of Honor and
aew still and who knows how long she'll keep those
interim titles or those minor titles for. But I think
she inevitably does lose here in the finals, and that
will signify something that's for next on her play.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
You know what I could see Mercedes and Athena losing
before the finals and getting you to a match between
those two and maybe have you know an actual team
being the finals against Tony Storm and Mina Shrikawa.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
I just don't think that Sisters of Sin have been
built up to be thought of in that manner. Yet
it would be a shock. And are you really just
gonna go are you thinking Queen Almanada and Jamie Hayter
just because that's what? Oh so we're gonna go with
f versus face? Yep, so almost the same two teams

(08:54):
meeting each other, because Mina and Harley kind of feel
like the same person, a little crazier own once I
a little more dancing on the other. But you get
to what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
This show's been full of surprises already. Micah. We started
out with the Conglomeration video. Here we are breaking down
the women's tag team title tournament. I figured we would
get to it. I just didn't think we're going to
do it all here at the beginning of the show.
But yes, now, look that being said, maybe logically you
do wind up with Mercedes and Athena in the finals
taking on the Timeless love Bombs. But I would if

(09:33):
you're in game here, if Mercedes and Athena are only
a team, so Athena can lose and Mercedes can turn
on her, and you can set up a match between
the two. Let's go ahead and get that out of
the way early and really build this division instead of
having whoever wins the tournament operating on the assumption is

(09:53):
going to be the timeless love Bombs, but instead of
having them beat a team that's not even a team
anymore after the match.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
You know, I think we should see more of in
this tournament that's not even announced for the tournament. Who
should be a part of the tournament? Who's that Stokely Hathaway?
If he is not there? Next too? And are we
just calling him two bad bitches a Bane and ford Is.
Why don't they have a name yet? Are they something? What?
Are they?

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Top gods?

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Top gods? Thank you? Yes, I didn't know if that
was the four some of them or that was just
those two, But either way, Stokely Hathaway should be there
as an accruit tremont to the top Gods to perpetuate
what was going on. And I also think that would
lead to more intrigue in the Tony storm mina Sharkkala
match that we're expecting in the semifinals. Not to mention,

(10:41):
I thought that Baine and Ford actually looked like the
best functioning tandem of the four in the Fatal four
way that we had on Dynamite.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
All Right, I like what you're saying there. I'm good
with Stokely Hathaway being there for the top gods. But
if that's gonna be the case, then I hope Meghan
Baine and Penelope Forward win the whole damn thing so
they can get Tag Team Gold before FTR.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
So that the gods are waiting for more of the Now.
We're just trying to like make this like loyalty.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yes, every week FTR they get they get verbally accosted
and run down by by Baane and Penelope Forward because
they're not champs yet like Bane and Ford are. And yeah,
that they basically become the the little baches for Megan
Bane and Penelope Forward.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
I kind of like that, right, you need to raise
up to our level. You have to be at this status,
like and even Stokely, Hey, they got the gold, guys,
you got to catch up.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
No, it's Stokely Hathaway's happy because he's got some hoes
that like it when he's around in his mind, and
it is an acular. I'm not certainly not calling them that,
but you know, if you watch AW, you know you
get it. Yeah, so that little dynamic gets freshened up
a bit.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I kind of like that. Now. The biggest question to me,
uh huh, as we're questioning because there's a lot of
likelihood and good storyline for Monett and Athena moving forward,
Willow and Harley. We got the other matchup the scissors
of sin Queen Almanada and Jamie Hayter. This feels like

(12:35):
and it wouldn't even be appropriate for a tournament, but
with blood and Guts coming towards us, I don almost
want this match thrown out like it needs to end
it in a qualification where the winner of the other
one automatically moves to the finals, just because they just
go back and forth so much. We need more heat
built towards blood and Guts. And I don't really have
an inkling of what story helps better of either one

(12:59):
of those teams advancing, because the story is gonna lead
back around to them fighting here in about three weeks.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Anyway, Well, I think I'm gonna, okay, fuck it, let's
just break it down. I'm Annada and Jamie Hayter beat
the Sisters of sin mersh fuck. I would have the
Babes of Wrath beat Mercedes in Athena. Mercedes turns on

(13:26):
Athena and there you go. Let's not drag that out, uh.
Timeless Love bombs beat Alex Windsor and Rijo. Top Gods
beat kJ So that gets you. I'm a Nada and
hater versus the Babes of Wrath. I said this earlier.
I'd have the Babes of Wrath win there. That gets you,
Timeless Love bombs versus Top Gods, Tony and Mina winning that,

(13:49):
and then they go on and win the tournament.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
I would be really tempted to go the other way,
like you said, with Top Gods, but I can't. I
don't know if we see what are we calling Harley
and Willow again, I'm not going to use that name.
Babes of Wrath, Babes of Wrath. Okay, Babes of Wrath,
Babes of Wrath. Do we see babes of Wrath maybe
being lovable enough? We've said that, Willow Nightingale is over

(14:15):
enough with the crowd that they could do more with her.
You see, do you see them as a as a
obvious but unobvious winner here.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, it's the damn puppet man. And I know that's
gonna upset some people. I want puppets to my wrestling.
And hey, I hear you that puppet. Did you watch
last week? That whole segment was phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
That puppet has brought Willow and stet Lander together. We
have the triangle of madness. We're about to have the
triangle of awesomeness or goodness near conglomerated.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Well, here's the problem with them being together for a while.
You're gonna have to reshoot that goddamn conglomeration video. And
I don't I don't know. I don't know that Tony
Kahn wants to spend that money.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Dude, spend that money. Add Harley in there, give us
the wrath of puppets, start pulling.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Dude exactly kind of like in the Friends intro, And
when Phoebe's in the coffee shop strumming on the guitar,
you've got Harley Cameron doing a puppet show, and the
rest of the conglomeration are all sitting there laughing and clapping,
and well everyone except for Roddy Strong, who yeah, yeah,
who's basically the the David Schwimmer or Ross if you will,

(15:34):
of the conglomeration.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
He's still just dude, hold on that should it?

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Now?

Speaker 2 (15:42):
How outside of all of it, he loves time the
fudge out.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
We know at some point in time Chris Statlanders joining
the Death Riders, right, so much like with Friends, Shaffir
leaves Roddy Strong for Chris Statlander. If you remember, and
Ross was married many times. In Friends, his first wife

(16:10):
left him for another woman, the woman he had the
child with, right, she left him for another woman. Marina
Shafir leaves Roddy Strong for Chris Statlander. Dude, I'm just
telling you that would be hilarious and.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
It would be the same thing, the man getting left
for a more manly woman. I loved the cake. Mercedes
Monett took the cake, got slammed into it. I was
wondering what was going to give. As she's walking back
and forth and back and forth with that promo and
then is elevated there there's oh, that was pup Puppets

(16:54):
Friends promos. This was good stuff from aw this week.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
I did not expect stat to be under the table.
So that was like the cherry on top, if you will,
of that segment.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
It came out of nowhere. You wanted a surprise, you
got the surprise because you're like, well, how is this
going to benefit us moving forward? That once again Parr
Harley feels the wrath of Monet. She had a backup plan.
It was all plant. They conglomorated on the plan.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
All right, well we just booked out the conglomeration for
the foreseeable future. I think we just booked the entire
women's tag team tournament. We should probably move on.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
We'll be moving on into the inevitable Fatal four way
this week. That's Samoa. Joe's gonna win to once again
become the number one contender. Kind of dampening a little
bit of the eloquentncy of the Hangman page promo that was,
you're not the hunter on the hunter, and I'll hunt
on my time.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
I just hope Hook doesn't win, which is kind of
I fear.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
So, what's the fourth member in there?

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, it's Joe, Lashly, Rickshet and Hook.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Oh you would you could have paid, You could have
bet me money, and I would have not given you
Hook as the fourth Guy'd have been like, shit, who
was that dude? They announced?

Speaker 1 (18:16):
It actually makes sense. You got Rikyshe and lastly who
have heat. Joe and Hook who kind of sort of
have heat, and apparently for this week anyway, they're gonna
have heat again. I could see a scenario where everybody
takes everybody out and Hook somehow gets the win. I
hope not, but I could see it.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
It's for a world title match opportunity. I don't see
it happening. I think it's more likely Lastly or Ricochet
more likely than Hook. I think, just for that one
on one feeling, if this was for a tack team
title match and it was gonna benefit the the Hook
Kingston Merger, I can maybe see it going his direction,
but I don't think we're going straight Hook hang man

(18:59):
this soon in his maturation.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
I would agree with you, and I actually think it
makes a lot more sense to have Ricochet win if
you're not doing the obvious with Joe. But we'll see
how that plan. But look, so the pay per view
is what November whatever. Whee twenty second about the time
Tash should be back from whatever his latest surgery was.

(19:24):
I think it was the shoulder to manage his son
to lead him into a world title match. I could
see it playing out that way now again, lastly makes
more sense. Joe certainly makes more sense, and hell, Ricochet
makes more sense. Tony Cohn sometimes likes to throw little
swerves out there, no pun intended. You do have that

(19:48):
four way this week on Dynamite for a shot at Hangman,
I got to assume somehow Joe's winning.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Which, well, Ricochet even makes a lot of sense to
what you said, because Ricochet got involved and he was
the siding factor in the Trio's title match in the
Hurt Syndicate losing to the Ops. Right where there's, like
you said, there's Lashly, Rickychet heat, there's Joe Lashly heat.

(20:14):
So I could see it very easily playing out where
the Hurt Syndic get Ops angle is more elevated and
Ricochet slides in all of a sudden and he actually
gets the victory. We're going Ricochet hang Man. I low
key really do like that pick.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, that'll be interesting.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
That'll be interesting, which I think it follows up on
giving us another OPS Hurt Syndicate match which was really
hard hitting. I thought they worked really well together, just
beating the snot out of each other in a physical manner.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
I hope we stay away from that for a little
while until we get one of those teams with gold,
whether it's tag team, title, trios, titles. I don't know
what else you do that other than we hate you. No,
we hate you. No, we hate you more. No, we
hate you more.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
I think I threw you off because I said I
like the OPS versus Hurt Syndicate.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
We were hearing Hurt Syndicate versus by having them deal
with hang Man, and I want to see more lashly
versus Hobbs.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Okay, I'm sorry. No, you're one hundred percent right. I
thought you were talking about the demand.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
My bad.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, I got no problems with the more Hurt Syndicate
versus the OPS.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
I think that's what we're leading. I like your demand
and Ricochet going in a world title trajectory. Hey Man
Page told us he's going to deal with Samoa, Joe
and the Obbs on his time, will come back around
to it, and the ops are going to be distracted
by the Hurt syndicate and like I said, big physical guys. Uh,
and not to mention uh, the oppressiveness that Hobbes now

(21:50):
shows he can keep up with the weight of some
Ojo's jokes. He was lifting I got you the freaking all.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
No, no, no, I got you, I got you, I
got you.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Is it time for Kyle Fletcher to move on from
Mark Briscoe? Like I like Mark Briscoe, I think most
people like Mark Briscoe. You could argue he deserves aw
gold of some sort, but I think we all know
he ain't beaten Kyle Fletcher. So at some point you're
kind of holding Kyle Fletcher down by continue having him

(22:26):
go back and forth with Briscoe. And I know Don Kallas,
when Briscoe asked for one more match, told him no.
But I think that no was just to get us
to an eventual yes at some point in time. Are
you Are you hurting Kyle Fletcher here stunting his growth?

Speaker 2 (22:42):
I think so. I'm just not sure where to go
from here for him. To me, I would have honestly
liked to have went and saw Eddie Kingston. Doesn't make
sense to me as a Time Team competitor if he
would have got a couple wins under his belt and said, hey,
I would like to get back in the hunt for

(23:02):
a belt. I think that that would have been a
good way to switch over to another veteran worker that
fans have respect for and to keep building Kyle Fletcher,
rather than having this go around, because I inevitably feel
that Mark Briscoe should be more worried about the Conglomeration
and their new enemies. You should be with the Conglomoration,

(23:28):
with their battle battling Maxley and the death Riders. I
think that you could easily see Briscoe being a missing
piece in a five person or four person team for
blooding guts rather than why are we doing another Kyle
Fletcher program?

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, I'm with you on that recent memory. Has anybody
looked better in a defeat than Bandido against Okata on
Dynamite this past way, your words just.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Kept echoing in my head from last week about how
he's a star, how he's amazing. The crowd was erupting.
I watched that match about three times as many times, well, no, okay,
as many minutes because that Conglomeration intro was short, as
many minutes as you spent watching that. I spent watching
the Bandido Okada match, so many ebbs and flows and

(24:25):
swings to it, you thought Bandido was about to pull
it out the creativity, the way that Okada just slightly
moves back too far for the twenty one plex twenty
five plex, I'm not sure what number they call it.
I swear they changed sometimes.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Twenty one plex.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
But yeah, and then he hits the big, big rainmaker
to get the victory. But you were damn right a
superstar in the fricking making with what Bandido's able to
do and really conveying emotion, not to compare their games
because they're totally different, but with a mask, getting the
emotion over in a way that only Ray Mysterio has

(25:02):
really been able to do.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, which begs the question, do you need to get
the tag team belts off of Brodido in order for
Bandido to grow?

Speaker 2 (25:16):
I think we're getting to that point rapidly and quicker
than you would think. We're not used to seeing an
ascension of a singles member and a tag team like this.
We're still trying to rekindle what's going on with the
Acclaim as they're now going to be taking on the
Marlborough Brothers or the Newport Twins this coming week. Either way,
you can see that developing, but it feels like quickly

(25:41):
You're right. Maybe Top Gods should have all the tag
team gold.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Well and this week Dynamite a Fright Night. You do
get a Fright Night four way FTR, Young Bucks, Jet Speed,
Jurassic Express. The winners get a title shot against Brodido
at full gear right off the bat. Safe bet the
Bucks ain't winning, maybe they somehow cast Durassic Express. But

(26:11):
I'm going to assume this comes down to FTR or Jet.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Speed, and considering who the tag team champions are, I
think it's FTR, and I think we get a title change,
and I think this is setting up perfectly for Brodido
to for Bandido to continue to fight on his own.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
But you got to be careful because you've also been
working very hard to build up the other half of
that tag team, Brody King, and he doesn't have the
Ring of Honor title to fall back on like Bandido does,
so I think you've got to be careful to keep
him strong and more importantly, have something for him when
you do take the belts off of Brodido. Whether that's

(26:52):
coming up at full gear or somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
I'm gonna need you to start designing what role Brody
King will have in the conglomeration after this and the
weird looks that Roddy is going to be giving him
while he's in that promo, you know, he'll be screaming
out the Michael. She is tickling the ivories. Oh see.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
I could see Brody King in the ops a lot easier.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Than I could in the conglomeration. I don't know if
we're turning everybody heel though. What we're doing with that
Brody is kind I don't know if he's just going
to be a man on his own after this. He's
been a faction member so many ways become Does he
become a man on his own? Does he get a

(27:40):
Buddy back in his life?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Maybe? I don't know what's going on there. I just
at this point, i'd assume Buddy's sitting out his contract
and then he's going back to WWE, but maybe not.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
I don't know all the guys that set out their
contract to go back to WWE. Interesting, but I.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Would also assume Tony Kahn would have let Buddy out
of his contract by now, as he's kind of apt
to do if that's what Buddy won't. So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah that I'm not sure what happens, but I think
there'll be options for Brody. Well. It feels like, does
he just get to be Bandido's best friend? Oh, every
time Bandido gets jumped, it's it's Brody hitting the ring
to make the same.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Hmm, let me look at something real quick. Bump bump bump,
bump bump bum.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
I could see Brody king. I don't know. Okay, this
kind of throws a monkey wrench into some storylines. But
take the damn Ring of Honor TV title off of
Nick Wayne and put it on on Brody King. I
could see that.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Make him interim I mean, you know.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Story ever, yeah, storyline wise, it would make no sense
for Nick Wayne to drop the ROH TV title to
Brody King. But yeah, maybe do something like that. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I think there's a there's a hole in what we
do with Brody, but there's a lot that needs to
be done with Bandido, and in a time where we'll Lospray,
Kenny Omega Swerve. They're not on TV all the time,
and some of them are injured. You gotta make use
of that single star power as the face.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
I hate to say it because I think a couple
of weeks ago we tried to put a number of
new people into the Death Riders. You could do worse
than Brody king there. I'm with you. I think Brody
stays a face. Whatever happens once you split up Rodido,
assuming we're splitting up Rodido help, maybe we're not. But

(29:58):
the Death Writers they're complicated, Micah, They're complicated.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
They're complicated, and it feels like to me, John Moxley
might be at his wits end. I want to challenge
Tony Shavani who said he's so mad it's like he's
letting the anger overcome him. No, he look like a
scorned dog, wounded, scared in the corner, lashing out almost
like like a like a child. He didn't know what

(30:27):
was coming at him. He couldn't handle the thought of
tapping out to Kyle O'Reilly, No, not Fletcher, the other Kyle.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
You know, like the other white and I got you,
I got you the other Kyle.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yes, he couldn't take the tap, and that seemed to
just be the mental walls are crumbling it seems like
the hole that the death Writers have did we really
need three people to help Pat get over? Is she? Well,
they're meaning they're violent, they feel desperate. To me, they
feel cornered.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, but I think you're going somewhere with that. I'm
not an result. Like, I don't think they're gonna turn
on Moxley because that group suddenly becomes a whole lot
less than without him. And if you were booting him

(31:22):
out of the Death Riders, there's only one person you
could plug in there and keep them strong, maybe even
stronger than they currently are or were at their peak.
And I don't see that happening at all.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
I don't think, and make him maniacally and you could
get him away from commentary because well there's en miss
commentary with him.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Oh there's missus. I don't know about the hits. I
don't think Tony Kahan has interest in that, and I
don't know that Brian Danielson has interest in it. Yes,
that's sorry, That's who I was talking about. If suddenly, yeah,
somehow Danielson is the new leader of the Death Riders.
It does make sense from a storyline that you know,

(32:07):
that's how basically the group kind of formed it with
you to turn and moxleyn All turning on him and
all that. But I don't know that Danielson has that
many matches left in him, and I don't know that
Tony Kahan wants to. I think Tony Kahan likes to
revere his future Hall of Fame veterans, and I don't

(32:28):
know that you can revere Brian Danielson, making him the
low key head of the death Riders.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
All along, head of the death Writers all along. He
even was the one that actually instructed Moxley to take
him out because he was getting too weak and wanted
to see what they could become where they were released
and ruthless, And now that they haven't lived up to
his image and what was expected, he's coming back and

(32:56):
pushing Moxley aside. Except for, like you said, the only
issue with that is Danielson really can't wrestle, and he
would have to be a suitor manager the whole time.
So you're just protecting him, I guess, to lead up
to big matches to put him on the line, to
hurt him at a pay per view. I don't think
any of that's happening either.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Well, look I don't know that Danielson can't wrestle now.
I don't think he would wrestle every week like Moxley
pretty much does. But I also don't know that just
because you can doesn't mean you should. You know, if
Danielson's entering career is not done, it should be for
special matches and not just turning on Moxley and leading

(33:37):
the group that's trying to bring down AW. I mean,
you can do it, and you can make it work.
I just don't know that you can make it work
with Brian Danielson at this point in his career and
what you would really need out of him, and if
it's worth it to him or even the company to
put him through that.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
You know, I'd hate to backtrack, But what about for
Brody King? He just takes over the role that was
left by Daniel Garcia. Daniel Garcia was a single wrestler
out there winning mid card matches, randomly doing it, kind
of having success, fringing of storylines and kind of being
a focus. Because right now, for Daniel Garcia just being

(34:19):
a cog in the death writer's wheel, it feels a
lot better. So could Brody King maybe transition into the
Daniel Garcia role. The only difference would be we wouldn't
hate him in this role.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
How about this, whether or not Chris Jericho is WWE
bound when his contract's up, he's still under contract to
aewly Either not he is, and so December, either Jericho
comes back with his new AEW contract and you start

(34:51):
something there, or you bring him back for one final
appearance to write him out of AAW forever. And he
comes up, you see him in the back. Brody King
walks by. He stops brody King and says, learning Tree
two point zero, you're my guy. I fucking went with
Big Bill. He's a goddamn idiot. I don't know what

(35:13):
I was thinking there. And brody King just looks at
him and picks him up and choke slams him in
the back on the damn concrete floor.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
And that's the.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Last you see of Jericho in AEW And all of
a sudden, you've taken brody King from aw tag team
champs to laying out a former world champ and solidifying
him as a super duper badass.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
You could do that, but I also like the same thought.
If you're just bringing Chris back in and He's like, hey, Redwood,
I've missed you, and Big Bill just takes his head
off with a big boot.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
You could do that, I don't. You could do what
I said and what you said, but just have brody
King walk up while Jericho's trying to suck up to
Brian Keith and Big Bill and have brody King do
the same thing and say are you guys are free?
Go be yourselves. My only issue with your scenario, I

(36:06):
don't know that you have that big of a plans
for Big Bill and or the bad Apple. Maybe you do,
maybe you don't, And if you don't, I wouldn't bring
back Jericho for one final appearance just to do all that.
But it's certainly interesting, and I'm not convinced Jericho's actually leaving,
so maybe that would.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Open up some opportunities as well, in a direction, different direction,
but the same thought. One final thing, one final blowoff.
What the hell is that gonna be between Darby and
John Moxley. I feel like we're already a leading to that,
to that next blowoff. I mean, if we're not going

(36:47):
into blooding guts with it being Darby, Brisco Orange and
the reluctant strong and O'Reilly against the Death Riders. I
don't know what we're doing here? Is that the end
all be all blow off? Because Darby and Mocksley, I
don't know if we can literally have kill you on
a pole match.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
I would like to take a break from Darby and
the Death Riders, but yeah, I don't know. I this
is this is an issue when you have the style
that Darby has and the style that mocks and and
to a lesser degree, the rest of the Death Riders have.
You got to keep topping yourself every time out and

(37:33):
if the equip match wasn't the way you were ending it,
then what the hell do you And look not that
I don't think you can't top that match, because you can,
because all in all it was kind of a whole
hum match if we're being honest, but stakes wise, and
you know, we've already seen aquariums, blowtorches, tasers and skewers

(37:58):
under the fingernails. We've I've seen forks in the year.
Where the what do you do for an encore? What
do you do to top all that? I don't know?

Speaker 2 (38:09):
And it seems like both parties have again escalated the game.
They're not moving on the story isn't changing. They're not
seeing a new a vision, a new idol of their ambitions.
They're both just frequently wanting the other ones demise.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Does I mean, yeah, does? Does? Darby win? And Mox
pops up, calls for a mic and says, this is
all I've wanted the whole time. Congratulations, You've done it.
Death Writers are disbanded. I mean, I don't think so.
So yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
And by the way, where the fuck is Gabe Kid?

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Good question. It's like Eddie Kingston came back, but only
if you don't work Gabe Kid anymore.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
So you know, from that standpoint, all right, So if
you're talking about doing blood and guts with Darby and
a team versus the Death Riders, Kingston and Hook make
a lot of sense, but god damn King's Darby and
Hook together barely make one person. So, I mean, you know, isn't.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
That the perfect opposites of Wheeler Utah and Daniel Garcia?
Do they really? They make one Claudio combine the two
of them.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
I mean, I guess.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
It's the death Ride of the half Wrestlers, half sized wrestlers.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
I don't, I don't so real quick. But before we
move along, not in the aw Women's Tag Team tournament,
but we did have a debut on Collision as part
of a women's tag team, and that's the former Teagan
Knox in WWE going in going by Nixon Newell in

(40:01):
AEW and.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
She has the Luchadora as the tag team. Believe this
is al Yeah, we'll see what happens. Another tag team
coming in. I'm assuming that they have to lose on
the debut because of taking on ty J. But we'll
see how that goes in the future. There's a lot
of room for Tigan Knox or Nick Noole for her

(40:27):
to recreate who she is in my image. Didn't really
get to hit the ground running due to knee injuries
in WWE.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Over in WWE Micah. We get Saturday Night's main event
this Saturday on the Peacock, so we got that to
look forward to. We had built up for that on
rall this past week.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yes, we did, in fact build up as we are
building towards a new champion. And I say it so
startledly because I can't remember off the top of my
head if this is ww champion, World Heavyweight.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Champion, World Heavyweight Champion.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Cool, thank you, World Heavyweight Champion to be crowned from
the raw branch. Will it be Michael Carlisle's favorite Chicago
in CM punk or everyone else's favorite four.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Letter word user jay uso yeat?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
That's sat or yeat yeat? Oh okay neat yeat? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Sure, Tomato tomato?

Speaker 2 (41:36):
I guess with the feat, I guess, uh.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
And the only reason I knew for sure it was
the World Heavyweight Championship is I have the card in
front of me, and Cody's putting his WWE undisputed championship
on the line against Drew McIntire. So yeah, I'm with
you on that. There's way more confusion than there needs
to be on the on the two main singles belts
in WWE.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
I'm glad it's not just me getting confused by that one.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
But here we go.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
The vacated title of seth Rawlins will find a new waste,
which will be a familiar waste because jay Usso didn't
have the belt that long ago. At least that's the
direction I feel like the story has been leading us
in CM punk. To me has felt like a very
nice accoutremnt. But we are Uso eccentric? Some means he

(42:29):
has to lose it?

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Right, Well, let me just point out, of the two
men in this match, it's not Jay Usso who most
recently had that belt around his waist.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Oh it wasn't. Oh wait, okay, excuse me, had the
longer rain. Okay, well yeah, around my apology, my apology,
I forgot about those.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
To be fair Sampunk may not have had it long
enough to actually put it around his waist, it may
not have gotten past his shoulder, but but yeah, he
was technically champ after Uso was so more recently than
Jay Usso. This, Matt, look, I assumed this This comes

(43:10):
down to what your long term storytelling here. I am
assuming Seth Rollins is going to be out for a
while since you felt the need that this injury was
serious enough to take the belt off of him. So
do you need Punk to be a foil to Hayman
and the Bronze maybe? Or are you setting up Hey

(43:36):
Jay gets the title. I want to be just like
you Roman, Well, I want to kick your ass because
I want that belt and we need to redo some
bloodline stories. That's kind of where I think we're going.
That's why I think Jay Uso wins here.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
You could see it. You could see that bringing up
more friction with Jimmy. Look I told you I could
do it if I do it my way. It's look
I told you you couldn't do it without us. Your
head's messed up. I can see it going in both ways.
But as sure as WWE is bloodline eccentric, ju So

(44:12):
wins because that leads us either way. It feels like
we could lead towards another big match with cmpunk is
there's still that old blood line friction between Roman and
Punk back from Last War Games. Who is the real
Paul Hayman guy of the Paul Hayman guys, because we've
always wanted to see Roman versus Punk, I guess. But

(44:35):
it feels like bloodline over everything in WWE. So Jay wins,
pisses off Jimmy, leads to Roman versus Jay somepoint.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yeah, I don't like. I think you could continue to
tell the Punk versus Breaker and Ronson Reed Hayman all
that story without the bell.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Well.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Now, I do think it's a better story with the belt,
but I don't know that the bloodline crap carries as
much without the belt. You introduced the belt back into
the equation, which Roman probably needs if for being honest
to be in Belt conversation. I think it does more

(45:22):
for that story than it does for the other story.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yes, there will always be drama though for them to
go back to with the bloodline, with the family who's
the real best hot chili maker in the clan? They
seem to really care about that one, so I think
you can always go back to it where it does

(45:50):
make a lot more sense. I guess it would make
more sense actually for Punk to win it, because from
the bron Breaker perspective, he is so fait say that
on the title. So now I guess are we really
are we really in on watching these vignettes every week
where Paul Hayman is convincing bron Breaker to go after

(46:11):
La Night CM Punk. There's other fish to pride. Don't
worry about the title? Or is it that CM Punk
just gets in their face and says, no, I'm making
you my business, so you can't go after the title
because bron just keeps saying the title, the title, the title.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
I know they're very high on bron Breaker. I don't,
I don't I don't see bron Breaker being in the
world title picture just yet. I mean you look, you
certainly can, but I don't know too much too soon
and then what oh like like, well, we'll go back aways.

(46:52):
Giving Jake Hager the title too soon petered out in
a hurry. I could make the argument if I really
wanted to that, giving gum through the title more recently,
too soon, Peter Gumph's run out a bit. I don't know,
it's it looks it's certainly interesting, and I could I
could see them going that way if Punk wins, I'm

(47:13):
not sure he holds the belt that long before Breaker
takes it from him or somebody else. But look that
that's doable as well.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
We'll just going back to your other point. Roman reigns
jay Us So, I know CM Punk Seamus is a
real dude if you wanted to make him that guy
Damian Priest. You have a litany of dudes between the
two brands that you could go with before over exposing

(47:47):
a young star like bron Breaker. I don't think that well.
I do believe there's a lot of potential superstar written
all over future main event headliner. I don't think bron
Breaker is the short thing that brought Lesler was right,
So I don't think there's any reason to rush him
into that level. I'd rather this is me being petty,

(48:07):
I'd rather see Sam he's ay't in a main event level. Well,
we're burning him out in the mid card and he's
and he's getting to the aj styles age. Rather than
worrying about what we got to do with bron Breaker,
who will be here for two decades, I'd like to
use up the guys that are on the way out
the door at the top of the card for a

(48:27):
little bit more before we're just burning them down to
build up the new guys.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Uh yeah, no, look, I agree, I just I don't
know that it's I think from the WWE way of thinking,
it makes a lot more sense to put the belt
on Jay Usso and have him in Roman fight over
And yes, he can have other defenses, but your main
feuds is going to be he and Roman.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
So. You think the next pay per view main event
with the w d WE heavyweight title, this is heavyweight, right,
double check them out again? Either way, j US's first
title defense is Jimmy Uso. I think Roman will be

(49:14):
at a bigger tent pole event if we're If we're
not doing a massive event. I don't think it's Roman.
I think it's a smaller defense, and I think it's
brother on brother. I think that comes to head. So
I think we have the perfect next step. And you
already said it, breaker versus point. I think we know
who the next champion.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Is, but you're still ultimately leading to j versus Roman
in that scenario. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
We brought it up earlier. Undisputed WWE Championship Cody Rhodes
and Drew McIntyre. I feel like I've said this before,
but I'm gonna say it here as well. No way
hell Drew McIntyre is winning the WWE Championship.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Cody Cody, Cody Cody roads. Cody will ride roads, Cody
will make those roads rough on Drew McIntyre. I trying
to say stuff that feels new because I don't feel
like anything that's happened between these two is anything new
that didn't happen two months ago, the last time they
battled over this title.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
I feel like we should spend more time talking about
coming up with a worthy adversary for Cody Rhoads. Nothing
against Drew McIntyre at all I am so tired of
Drew McIntyre versus Cody.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Rhods, Kevin Owens being injured, Randy Orton being like less
active than Roman reigns. These have been big holes where
you're kind of keeping people on separate brands, inserted distinctions.
We've come back around to this Drew McIntyre thing way

(50:50):
too quickly. You've beaten down the legitimacy of a lot
of other of the guys that you had built up.
And then maybe Jacob Fatoo's mouth surgery really was that
untimely that this was going to be his position, so
that we did have something fresh, and we're scrambling to
scoop up whatever broken eggs we have right here to

(51:11):
make an omelet.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Okay, and I think you're right. So if I'm right
about the World Heavy eight Championship, and we're both right
on the what would have been the main event here
and what we're going to get to after this match,
we're talking about some semblance of the Bloodline vying for

(51:39):
both the main singles titles Bloodline and blood Line two
point zero.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Basically basically basically, I mean, oh my god, we were
a couple of weeks short, thankfully, the MFT whole rebirth
now that they're wearing gorilla paint hasn't come to fruition,
or we might have ended up with Solo so.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Co in this match instead of Cody Roads going against
Drew McIntyre. Or we were very close, I think to
that point via the fall back guy.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
All right, work with me here. I want to Seth
Rollins basically cost himself the world title. He didn't listen
to Paul Hayman, he didn't do things to Hayman way
he took the top rope. Yeah right, What if Breaker

(52:34):
and Bronson Reid were just a means to an end
to appease Seth Rollins, who won't listen to the wise man,
who won't listen to Paul Hayman.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Well, what if all along.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
This was Paul Hayman's way of dividing and conquer. What
will split up the bloodline? Go off, do your own thing,
I'll infiltrate some other group whatever, and then we'll turn
on the point being what if bloodline blood line two
point zero suddenly just becomes one united bloodline again and
they turn on everybody. So like if don Kallus in

(53:10):
aw is the poor man's Hayman. Then Hayman's got to
one up him by having a bigger stable than the
don Kallis family, bringing all the blood line back together,
turning on Breaker, turning on Bronson Reid. F you seth Rollins,
because this is all your fault because you didn't listen
to me. You'd be healthy, you've had you'd have the
championship now if it weren't for me, I'm bringing my

(53:32):
blood line back together, and we're destroying everybody.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
You mean, the guy that lost to Roman when Roman
won being the tribal chief and we never had the
ceremony of acknowledgment like they promoted they were going to do.
We would just do that and they would all follow
Roman and Jay after he beats Sampunk just walks up
to Roman and hands him the belt and gets to Neil,

(54:00):
right in front of Roman and Paul Haymon.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Yeah, not saying I like it. I'm not even saying
it's a good idea. I'm saying there, it wouldn't be
the strangest thing I've ever seen wwe do.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
I to give up Jay Whoso's yeating intro where the
fans love it, just to have him kneel down to
Roman goodest ideas Triple H's had all amongst me.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Do the fans love it though? And whose idea is it?
Does the Rocks still have a hand in anything? And
what does his thoughts matter?

Speaker 2 (54:42):
I don't know, because what's old can be new again.
I mean, carrieon Cross was gone for about five minutes
before they gave his intro to Alistair Black. Yeah, which
again I don't understand why is Alena thought it was
a better career move, not just to bring her husband
back to go from being Ray Mystereo to Scarlet. I

(55:03):
just didn't get the trajectory of that career move where
you were making headway as a single performer. So yeah,
that was old and new again real quick. So the
bloodline could become the same thing with Roman just having
a don Kallais amount of henchmen. I mean, it would
be the hardest thing for Dominic Mysterio to ever overcome

(55:24):
on his way to being you know, Roman reigns in WWE.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Speaking of doma Stereo three way match for the icy
title Mystereo defending as Penta and Russeph. This seems like
a really easy way to put the belt on Pinta
without Dominic Mysterio having.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
To lose seems like a really easy way to have
three mass guys name Americanos come out and get involved
so that Domina Stereo retains this title. There was absolutely
nothing to stop them from cheating.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Or cheat, or they cheat and cost Dominate the title.
They pull off the masks and it's Finn balor JD
McDonough and one or the other goddamn Judgment Day people.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
I guess that would make more sense because the Grandes
can't actually cost him the title because they need to
keep that alliance going for whatever sub storyline appears in
Triple A where I believe Triple A a universe where
Dragon Lee and aj Lee not actually tag team partners,
but yet Grande Americano and Dominic Mysterio are, and somehow

(56:37):
the Wyatt show up in that place too. This all
I can tell you about Triple A now. Yeah, but
you could actually see Penta getting the title. I have
no envisionment of why they would strip down Mysterio. The

(56:58):
crowds over with it. They love every little thing he does.
Why would you have him go down to being one
belt in Mysterio instead of two belts?

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Dom Because you're gonna turn him face. I agree with you,
but you could look. I don't think he's fought anybody
recently other than Pinta and Russif you could just have
another singles match here, I don't understand the point of
doing a three way match here unless it's to get

(57:28):
the belt off of my stereo.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Just a different way for him to cheat and maybe
come up with the nuts the hammer. They're coming up
with different ways for him to cheat. I don't know.
They're gonna turn him face and the crowd's gonna love it.
And I still shudder to believe why everyone is so
intrigued by this coward. But whatever, he has a nice mustache.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
I mean, I guess well.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
I was trying to think of the nicest thing I
could say about him, and that's the nicest thing I
think I can say about him.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Speaking a nice mustache is WWE Women's hit. I'm kidding,
but not speaking of mustaches.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
It was a joke.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Why it don't make that face, It's a joke. WWE
Women's Championship. Tiffany Stratton defense against Jade Cargill, who's just
this past week on SmackDown turned heel. Maybe it's time
to Pooper, get off the pot with Jade Cargill, have
her go over here, see what you can do with
her as champ.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I don't think there's any way you could do this,
but I'm ready to talk about with Don Mysterio more.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Okay, on a card that we know, you're crowning one
new champion, presumably, And look, that's another thing. Maybe we
don't get a winner here in Punkin and Ussol, but
let's operate on the assumption we are.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Oh wait, so we'll put out there into the universe
just before it happens Brown Breaker and Bronson Reid causing
a disqualification and the title is still held in a vacancy.
That option is very much out there, and that's how
the Vision could re implement themselves and bron Breaker into
this contest. Thank you for bringing up before it happens,
because I would felt like egg on our faces if

(59:17):
you did not say it.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
That's not how it happens.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Oh okay, go for it.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Fuck do you causes the disqualification?

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Nope? Nope?

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Aj Lee nope, Asia Styles nope, Dragonly brock Lessner lays
everybody out. Breaker and Bronson Reid come in with Hayman
to celebrate, and Brock takes them the fuck out too,

(59:51):
not Hayman but Breaker and Bronson Reid, which will set
up another match for the vacant title between Brock and
bron Breaker, and at that point, either Hayman is legit
back with Lessner or Hayman turns on Lessner and not
this is all a ruse. This bron Breaker is how

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we were getting your title shot. This is how we
were putting the belt around your waist, and we did
it so you could beat the baddest man on the planet.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
To do it. That's a much better thought than anything
you could come up with for Jay Cargo. And this
shit has happened too many times. There's one match that
happens too many damn times. It's been this match, and
it has not been good. It has been bad each time,
to the point where I guess, you give Jade the title,

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you give.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Just m this shit. Yeah, I don't know what you
do here. You either have Stratton go over and they
never face again, which.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Doesn't seem like the case because I've already been there twice, right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Or I mean I don't, I guess, But how many
title changes? So every match all four matches or title matches.
Are you're crowning a champion one match and I think
we both agree Cody's gonna retain, but crowning new champs

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in the other two.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
No, I'm telling you they're crowning one new champion. We're
getting the vacant champion. So two two, Tom and Cody,
the two big stars retained.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
I don't know what to make a Stratton and Jade
Cargill other than I hope it doesn't last too long.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Yeah, but that's like me saying I wish the women
is the women's tag team division at least getting better.
Now we had this huge match. Uh is this just
bad luck for Lyra Valcarria. I have not seen one
performer have consistently so many wardrobe malfunctions, whether it's her
top coming off or her earrings getting stuck on someone

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else's pizza clothing, about Kyria not having like the best
of luck in the ring, just these malfunctions. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
To answer your first question, I think the women's tag
team division in WWE is getting better.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Yes, Charlotte and Yeah and Alexa have really put together something.
And then you also got now the the I was
disappointed that Bailey did not go crazy Bailey, Like we
totally had crazy Bailey for weeks and nothing made her
go crazy Bailey in that tag match. I digress.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Yeah I don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all I got.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Yeah, but at least the women's tag team division, now
that you have two real tag teams, you kind of
also have what's going on with the Judgment Day duo,
there's a little bit more tag team synergy there. So
I would agree. It's good to see they're making use
of the titles that they have to have. It's been
the best use of them over the years that they've

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had him. Right now, you at least have three teams
involved in a compelling storyline, some intrigue, So that's good
to see.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
I would yeah. Look, I'm with you on that. Look,
if you can have those belts, yeah, do something with them, right,
let's do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Something with them. Good idea, bad idea. Ilia Dragonov just
continuing the United States Open Challenge. That's just this Belts theme.
We defend it every week. It's our WWE TV title,
but not TV title.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
I'd rather they just call it the TV title. But yeah,
I know, I'm fine with it. It makes it seem important.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
What's your aspect on that. I'm not against draggon Off.
He's a good worker. I think the more in ring,
the less on the mic with him, the better.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
All Right, everything we just talked about, and as it
relates to the two singles Men's World titles, Okay, if
I told you WWE on Tuesday as we record release
the official first commercial for WrestleMania coming up in Las
Vegas this April, if I told you the people who

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were in it, would that change your thought process in
anything we threw out there?

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
No, because I could guess who's in this commercial just
from what I already saw of the vignettes. One we
knew it was a WrestleMania commercial with the poker. Yeah right.
Two Triple H is in there because I believe he
was the very first person in the vignette. I think
the second vignette where you also saw nice shoes was

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Paul Hayman, another power player. I'll be damned if I
didn't see cowboy boots for brock lesnar on one of those.
And if we're already giving those three power players, I
gotta feel like Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes, it wouldn't
be a WWE promo if they're not al and if
I'm giving you every Hayman guy on the planet except

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for the one with a bum knee. Uh see them
Punk is in there, and I'm guessing they stop short
of giving us some mysterio.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Triple h walks into a room seated around a poker table,
and see Cody Rhodes is shown first, followed by Roman Rains,
followed by seem Punk, followed by Barack Lessner, and yes,
Paul Hayman is standing back in the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
You know why I didn't guess La Knight or j Uso.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Because La Knight sucks and Jay Usso will have dropped
the title by then.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Because there were no Jordan's or Nikes in any of
these promos. It almost I decided I had to guess
Roman Reins because from the foot where they gave us,
I didn't think they actually gave us anything that Roman
would be wearing, because there looked like nothing that Bronson
Reed would want to be stealing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
So what I take from this, Micah is Night one
of WrestleMania, Paul Hayes on a pole, Cody Roads versus
Roman Reiins versus m Punk versus brock Lessner.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
The winner is the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
One who climbs up takes Paul Hayman off the pole
and they get to keep Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
I'll go CM Punk versus Roman Reins and brock Lessner
with Paul Hayman in his corner against Cody Rhodes. So this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
What I take from this. Jay Uso ain't bet and
see him Punk. You are putting the belt on someone
to feud with Roman reigns. It just ain't gonna be
j help. Maybe the Ussos and Roman are are together,
who knows, but Punk's probably winning.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
So you've got Punk, You've got Roman, You've got brock
You're doing a three way of.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Paul Hayman guys, and Seth Rollins comes back and interfears.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Quite possibly, there's a lot for us to speculate on
because jay Usa is not mentioned. Like you said, you
figured he'd have some prominent role. Maybe cempunks in that role.
Maybe he's a diversionary tactic. I don't know if we're
leading into something with this promo or if we're just
giving us the most powerful popular guys in the company
right now. Because we're excluding bron Breaker from this promo

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and you figure, even if he's not main event yet,
he's still gonna have some kind of big name against him.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
What just doesn't have to be one of those.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
What Drew McIntyre.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Maybe, Look, Drew can't wrestle Cody every week or at
every pl e we hope, Well, yeah, because something something
to chew on, not just for Saturday Night, but for
going forward up to WrestleMania season. Those who were featured prominently. Look,

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you've also got Cody's got one belt. Presumably Punk or
usso will have the other World belt after this, So
I mean, you know what, Actually.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Let me let me make a bigger argument to you. Logan,
Paul's not in that promo, John Cena's not in that promo,
Gunter's not in that promo, then we can hit Jay Uso.
There's at least four prominent guys that you could work
in to at least one of them having an angle
with one of those people, Well, one of them will.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Be retired by then. Punk has are U Sena as
his last match December sixth.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Yeah yeah, oh okay, yeah December I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, Now doesn't mean that couldn't change,
but maybe sometimes taman Guy Lesner challenges Cody Rhodes. That
explains those two being there, and then uh Punk and
Roman the other side. It could be that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Paul Hayman could literally end up managing any of them
motherfuckers in that picture, including Cody Rhads. Because if there's
one thing that they like to write Paul Hayman as
as he is the savior, the best friend, the almost
lover to a sickening way of that person, and then
he will inevitably stab them in the back, So he
could manage anybody or screw over anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
If you will remind me next week we can talk
about why it's best for business for Paul Hayman to
help Cody Rhodes beat brock Lessener and Cody turn heel
and become a Paul Hayman guy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
That would be incredible. It feels like something that Cody
does not want to do, but it's something that's been
coming up in media more than he doesn't want to
turn heel, So it's problem an indication that it's on
the table from the turn heel. We'll bring that up
next week.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
It's best for business and I will make that argument
next week. Mike could tell everybody how they can keep
up with you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
I want to talk about pro wrestling. Let's do that
over on X and find me at Frankle Micah the
last name, then the first.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Get the show on X at PW After Hours. You
can get me at Real Mike Carlisle. We will talk
to you next week for another episode of Pro Wrestling
After Hours here on the After Hours Podcast Network