Ep 315: Saturday Night's Main Event-2 New Champs Crowned. Latest News

Episode 315: CM Punk and Jade Cargill each win gold on Saturday Night's Main Event. AEW finalizes the main event for Full Gear. Latest news.














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Speaker 1 (00:05):
What's up, everybody. Welcome back to Pro Wrestling After Hours.
I'm Michael Carlisle, joined as always by Micah Franco. Micah
was shaking man, in Triple H's words, the whole foundation
of the ww Then again, maybe you know, alright, alright,
we got a new WWE.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
World Champion crown on Saturday night's main event. That's kind
of shaken.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
That's not really that shaken. One of the faces of
the company is still a face of the company, a
six time world champion. Credit to the man became seven times.
That doesn't sound like earth shattering, groundbreaking, brand new that
that sounds like a classic kid.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Uh. What was shaking was the fact that I got
the title right.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
It's always confusing with the undisputed Championship and the World
Heavyweight Champion and ship because.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Oh, I thought you were just pointing out that used
to call it cmpunk winning my bad.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Well that too, but I'm proud of myself. I got
it right because you'd assumed Cody's the world champ since
he's presented as the bigger star, but he's the undisputed
WWE champ and yeah, punkin USO on Saturday eight's made event,
was for the vacant World Heavyweight Championship. Well we'll get
to that match in a second.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Busy week.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
They crowned a few champions there on Saturday, He's made eventue.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
You just want to start there. Knock that out real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Sure I get knocked down by it.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Let's go all right? All right? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:37):
They started Saturday Night's Made Event off of the bang.
Cody Rhoads Drew McIntyre for the WWE Undisputed Championship.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
No surprise, Cody won.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
You did get a ref bump, You got a little
of this, you got a little of that, and in
the end, crossroads and a win for Cody.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
They really went with a stretch with doing a very
similar finish to Cody Kevin Owens. I mean, you really
elongated yourselves to stretch away from the memory to do
something unoriginal. Match was what the match was. The match
was fine, but way too closely able to access that

(02:21):
recent memory of Kevin Owens going down on a chair
as Drew McIntyre goes down on the belt from the
cut eat Cody Cutter at almost the same exact spot
in the ring. All in all, it wasn't a bad match.
It just It was the match we expected. As much
as you want to take a six foot five, six
foot six Drew McIntyre, seriously, we've already learned that the

(02:45):
WWE creative has the limit for that. So this match
was what it was. It was very solid. I just
didn't care for the rehashed finish from a recent Cody competitor.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
I'm just amazed at how little effort they currently put
into Drew MacIntyre. He was hot as hell roughly a
year ago, Micah, And look, I've got no problems with
him losing here he should have, but nowhere in recent
times have they made him look successful given you a

(03:16):
reason to believe he could win the title. Because he
keeps coming up short. You gotta somewhere along the way,
give him a few matches where he can remind you
of how much of a badass he is. So not
only are you doing him a disservice by the way
he's being booked, you're doing yourself a disservice because you
keep putting him in these matches and nobody believes he

(03:38):
has a chance to win, so you're kind of just
sitting on your hands waiting for the match to be over.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
I yawn while I say this, you want him to
look more badass? Triple H is gonna hear you, guys.
He will have a stroke of the pen and really
something out of the world will happen. Drew backintire will
attack someone in the back, and then you will remember
how badass he is as he will lose to that

(04:05):
face many many more times, Like how many times can
we do that shit and still find it to be acceptable?
This heel? Lost lost lost lost lost lost? Oh attack,
he's so mean, he's so vile. Oh my god, he
attacks on body. We take him seriously again?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
We crowded a new WWE Women's champion as Jade Cargill
defeats Tiffany Stratton. I kind of thought this might be
the way they go, and I'm fine with it because
it's time to see what you got with Cargill, see
if she can carry the belt. I didn't think this
was a particularly good match.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
I don't think it was.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Bad either, but this was about showing Cargill it is
a badass heel.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
And I guess that was okay. I just I don't.
You're either going to make Cargill or everybody's going to.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Realize maybe you shouldn't have tried that hard to pry
her away from AW.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
I think I picked Jade to win last week. I
think I said they keep giving her title matches for
a reason. I forgot to acknowledge that Tiffy had a
horrendously fricked up knee storyline wise, but was still clear
to compete that injury. I guess is your cop out
for No, we didn't just squash all of Tiffy's momentum.

(05:33):
She was just injured. But the fact remains that Jade
is only able to work squass matches. She does her
best when there is no resistance, no story. She is
only dominant. That's what her AEW run was is. They

(05:53):
were building her and now this is probably the best
she's looked here. So as long as she is the
brock lessner of the Vision, we'll do okay with her.
It's just she's not functional in many of the other areas,
but she hasn't developed those areas of her game, so
this match was I guess we had a reason why

(06:14):
we kept giving her title shots. This just opens up
the door.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Though.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Finally, to project further all fantasy book for you, this
brings back Bianca bell A or the former tag team partner.
If we're wondering where Bianca has been forever a healthy scratch,
we now have a storyline reason to bring her back in.
And I guess you can now scratch Tiffy because if
we have too many women on the show at one time,

(06:39):
it just goes all to Kaplitz.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
I'm just surprised as many matches as they've had against
each other, I'm amazed at the lack of chemistry. And
I'm not saying it's either one of them's fault or
that it's WWE. So I don't know who's to blame.
Maybe their styles just don't mesh, but they've got no
chemistry in the ring.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
So I blamed WWE squarely because they're the ones that
kept making us watch it, even though that was plainingly
acknowledgeable to all of us. They just kept shoving it
down our gullets like Mankind's old finisher.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Ouch ouch out.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
By the way, Bianca has been out with a broken finger,
so not a healthy scratch, But you would assume.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
A broken finger wouldn't take that long to heal up.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
I've had a boxer fracture before and that was like
a six week recovery in a cast, because it feels
like being gone in six months.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, well, maybe it feels like that she broke it
in three places and there was a joint issue. Apparently
there's a mobility problem with the finger, so like the
bone is healed, but she can't bend it.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Oh soo. I was wrong.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Not a healthy scratch. Actually a reason to have been sidelined.
This is a good reason to bring her back, or
maybe just a story.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
I was saying, maybe she went full seth rawlins in
an interview, you know, talking up her injuries that don't
really exist. Who I mean that that's that is possible
as well. Micah, you get the icy title match penta
Russeph challenging Dom Mystereo, my stereo to the shock of

(08:37):
absolutely nobody gets the win.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
I did.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I kind of like Ruceph looks like he's going to
get the win mysterios on the outside, So he rings
the bell russef Lexico, thinking he's won, and oh nope,
that that was a little dom Dom that rang the bell,
and then he finds a way to get the win.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Not the best match ever, certainly not a bad match.
I was entertained by it at the very least, but
I thought it was a little bit of uniqueness there to.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Get to the decision.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Okay, now I got two victories in a row correct
predictions because I called Dom Dom. No way they're taking
the title off of him. Yet you had, actually, I think,
thrown out there that this was the proper opportunity with
Russev maybe pinning Penta it would have been the right
finish or Submitigham or vice versa. And then you give
Dom another avenue played out like I thought, sump Shenetigan's

(09:34):
Dom gets over. They put a lot of effort into
these matches, into these finishes, do you think, and I
don't want to beat up Dom Mysterio, this is actually
credit for him. Is Dom Mystereo that much of a

(09:55):
creative genius you think backstage to go to the writers,
to go to the producers, and to come up with
these echelons of ways that he keeps pulling the hat
out of the back. I probably if I watch them
a triple h's background. Shit, I could just learn this
from myself. But is it Dom or they have they

(10:16):
put more creative power into putting him over as a heel?
Then they easily gave to fucking Austin theory. Grayson Waller,
take any heel that's ever disappointed you. What do you
think has happened that allows Dom to excel where where
so many have failed that we thought had potential. I mean,

(10:37):
he's doing great, he is filling this role great. But
I just wonder what it is.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
The wrestlers they care about, more effort gets put into them.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
And no, I don't look, does Dom have ideas?

Speaker 1 (10:49):
I'm sure he probably does, but no, I certainly think
this is the writing team and the agents God coming
up with with these finishes.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
And all that.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
But Waller, who has with theory, and I know at
one time theory especially they were high on the Reality
is the higher up the card you are, the more
effort they put into you, plain and simple.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
I feel like that. I wish they could have put
as much effort as they've put into Dawn Finishes, into
Roman Reigns finishes. Well.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
There's also the the formula formula matic way of doing things.
You didn't have to get super creative with the Undertaker.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
You were gonna do some shit Tombstone pin the end.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
You didn't have to get all that creative you want
to go back with Hogan, You're gonna beat him down.
He's gonna shake his head, wag his finger, punch, punch, punch,
boot to the.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Face, leg drop pin, even Sina.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
But yes, to get to that point, Hey, look, I
would argue they do get that creative with Roman, maybe
not the actual finish, but the the the ways they
keep basically the same formula outside interference for ten minutes
and then a finish.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
You keep the fans buying into that.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
But look, I hear you, and yes, in a perfect world,
the Wyatt six versus whomever would get the same attention
as this match did, or punkin' uso or whatever. It
ain't a perfect world and that's not the way the
things work. Yes, ww is very high on on dominanting stereo.

(12:35):
They put more effort into him and his matches.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
So I did go to Monday Night Raw this past week,
and you want to hear the strangest phenomenon. Sure you
said they need to They could turn dumb stereo your face. Yep, dude,
he is a face.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, he has everything right, whether it's what we saw
Saturday night's main event, whether his damn father Raymysterio comes
out and interaction.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Then right, the fans still want to cheer Dom. You
can just accept.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
You can delay the inevitable, but the inevitable is the inevitable.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
At some point in time, he's going to be a face.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Except for when he came out during the tag team
title match, one of the weirder phenomenons I've seen. I
would say that, Okay, jay USO's yeating gets all the
kids up easily the biggest reaction and the weirdest phenomenon
of the night, which we can get to. But the
Dom mysterio reaction rivals Penta arrivals, Ray mysterio rivals just

(13:44):
under Sam Punk. But when he came out the second
time to help the judgment day, he got murmuredly booed,
so it was like yay, then boo, wait what we
don't know what to do with you. So there was
like a love and a mix reaction. The being around

(14:05):
on a WWE audience is this convoluted as watching this show.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
We got the announcement for the hell I'll just call
it the John Cena Invitational, a tournament to determine Sena's
final opponent. Now on Raw, we found out the first
two matches are russe F, Damian Priest and Nakamura Seamus.
We'll get two more matches on SmackDown. I sure hope

(14:31):
SmackDown brings the heat, because I don't know that the
idea of Sena's final match being against one of those
four really sets the world on fire. I will say
on Saturday, he's main event. The graphic they threw up
had Solo Socoa, Seamus, Dominic, Gunther and Carmelo Hayes pictured.

(14:53):
But unless you're doing a multi person match, at least
one of the those people ain't gonna be involved, and
maybe more.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
I've thought it's gonna be Gunther. We'll see what's happened.
They're teasing outside of the company. Uh so they might
call up somebody from their minor leagues. Maybe you know,
we'll see somebody from uh Impact or NXTE. Say again,
Joe Hendry, I believe that will be more of just

(15:26):
a nice entrance than any kind of solid match. But
we'll we'll see what happens. John Cena is gonna appear
next week. We're gonna have a tournament.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, it'll be interesting.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Uh And I said, Joe Hendry, you're only doing that
if ww is let t n a O. You don't
need to worry about paying Joe Hendry anymore. We're gonna
take them off your hands.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
My money's on Gunther. But we shall see, we shall.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
I wonder if I wonder if there's a chance for
an NXT guy, maybe that might be the the under one,
maybe Obafemi or Trick Williams. Do I get that's right?

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah you did.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Actually don't see it happening, But I suppose it's possible
because any of the following the WWE logic, and look,
I guess they reserved a right to change their minds
at any time. If you believe those guys are ready
for the next step, you bring them in and you
kind of baby him along, you know, kind of like
Carmelo Hayes remember him and exactly and guys like that.

(16:35):
I don't know, no disrespect to either of those guys,
but I don't see Trick Williams being that guy, because
whoever beats him should be a made man. I don't
see them strapping a rocket to Trick Williams or anybody
else in NX teachers yet. I just that's not the
way they do it. And I don't really see them changing.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
You say, strap a rocket ship too. We both believe
this is going to be gunther They're just trying to
get a bull. They're just trying to get a I'm
not even sure what the proper machinery is. They are
trying to dig this guy back out from the core
of the universe. They have sat him aside for so
long for us to remember that he's a quick tapper

(17:19):
and unrelevant in the world title picture. Doesn't seem like
they're trying to trap a rocket ship to anybody. They're
trying to save this man.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
They're not trying to save him.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
They use him smartly. I think you don't want to
see him on TV everywhere. He should be more like
a rock Lessener attraction, a Roman Reigns attraction. And I'm
not putting him necessarily on the same level of those guys,
But I'm just talking about in the way he's used.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
You bring him back he has already established and it
went over Seena.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
You forget about the quick tappy thing and all that,
and all of a sudden you've kind of put him
more on that level of a Roman, of a lesson
of a Cody. Again, I'm not saying that that automatically
means he's accomplished what they have. But more on that level,
I think it's much easier with the Gunther. If you

(18:10):
had really wanted to, you could have thrown Dominic Mysterio
in there. Obviously they ain't ready.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
To turn Dominic face yet, and that's cool.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
You could probably try to do the same thing with
Solo Socoa if you wanted to.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
I don't think they want to.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
It's a gumph for better or for worse, just makes
too much sense from a WWE way of thinking.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
I agree it's going to be Gunther. I'd rather There's
almost something to me that I would want to see
a rocket strip strapped on somebody from NXT because I
would like to see John Cena replaced by somebody who
John Cena was. John Cena before he was the Rock,
was a grinder. He was a worker. He was a stalwart.

(18:56):
He was a inventor of the United States Open Challenge.
He was a weekly figurehead that kept the ship going
when other superstars had left, and I wish that we
would have another weekly stalwart put in there. But like
you said, there is so much revival that needs to

(19:19):
be done for Gunther that it makes too much sense
to not add him to that echelon to make him
look serious, because what are you doing with him without
this one?

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Now, Look, Gunph hasn't been announced yet, but we assume
he will be of the four that were announced on RAW.
I wouldn't count out Damian Priest because Triple H loves
him some Damien Priest, and by the way, Damian Priest
is pretty damn good too, So I don't.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Want to make it just sound like, oh, he's a
Triple H guy.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
So, but if you weren't going the Gumphther route and
you wanted someone who does appear on TV a little
more regularly, I think Damian Priest would fit that bill.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
You're probably I like that thought that that's much better
than thinking guys like Knock Moura and Seamus, who are
barely utilized would actually make it that far in this tournament.
And a Russav who the guy basically was holding up
a sign please say, make some kind of noise while

(20:20):
I'm out here for the audience. The other night it
was rough on the Russov.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, all right, that gets us to the main event.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
See him punk Jay Usso, the vacant world heavyweight Championship.
Best match by far on the card, and I enjoyed it.
Punk gets the win, not a shit ton of outside interference,
least until postmatch.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, I thought this match was what it should be.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
I could have seen them going either way. I kind
of thought they might go with Jay here. I'm not
at all disappointed that they decided to go to see
him punk route, and I think it's gonna be in interesting. Look,
we could talk a little bit about raw if you
wanted to, but it's going to be interesting what they
do with Punk in the title picture while Seth Rollins
is out.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Congratulations CM Punk. I don't know if it was the
best match of the night because my brain goes back
to the hell happened with Jay Huso not knowing how
to take a neck breaker? Why did CM Punk throw
water all over him? There was a couple of little
glitchy moments that like, where does this fit into the story,

(21:34):
Because everything happens for a reason. I'm not sure what
the reason was to make those two spots look so clunky.
And then just from my personal accountability, I know everyone
loves to steal everyone else's finisher, but jay Uso gets
the award for the worst GTS I've ever seen, and
CM punk for please don't ever do a spear again.

(21:55):
I mean, that's the one thing that Ricky Starks does
better than CM punk A damn speed. That one was
a tros chist. But I do like the optionality that
goes with cmpunk winning. Great for him, seven time world champion.
He is solid as all can be. There. There's a

(22:17):
lot to do with him creatively, whether it's the vision
as we get into Monday Night and what's going on
with the two bronze into Logan Paul, and I don't
know if he's actually officially with the vision. He did
hand over the brass knut, so that's a pretty big indication,

(22:39):
but I don't know if it felt like it hit
better to you on TV. The fans did not buy
in for a second when Logan Paul was walking away
from cmpunk in the first segment and he turned around
to go back to kind of help. No one wanted
that he was having his own moral quandary and everyone
else was waving by to him and turn back towards

(23:01):
the ring because you just didn't really expect the morality
of Logan Paul to hit five minutes into a return
after six months away.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
I'm with you on that.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
I thought it came across pretty well on TV. All
things considered, I liked it. Again, this is a guy,
whatever you think about him, and that's cool.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
He's a star for.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
WWE, and it looks like they're gonna treat him like one.
Whether it's a loose affiliation with the Bronze and Hayman
or whether he's going to be a full fledged member.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Cliffhanger.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
So we'll have to wait and see on that, but
I like this. And it's also we haven't had a
ton of Logan Paul World Heavyweight title matches, so it's
a little something different at the top of the card
for a pay per viewer too.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Little something different. It's a new matchup. Like you said,
ww has decided they are invested in Logan Paul, So
there we go. We know who the next one is
and we can keep saying that bron Breaker is the future,
but it feels like the future. They're doing a tactful
way of pushing that Boulder down the hill. And I

(24:20):
think I did see looking at the seth rawlins shoulder injury.
There's rumors that it could be a six month injury
six year. Yeah, but there's a possibility then you really
do keep Bron Breaker away from cmpunk for quite a while,
because if seth Rawlins is healthy enough to just come
back to be a thorn in the side, cut some

(24:42):
promos for a few months, you might avoid you know,
CM Punk, bron Breaker for quite a while.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
I don't know that it's a given that Rollins is
back with that group when he comes back.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Oh no, I meant him feuding with Breaker. Okay, I
got you Breaker away from Punk. Sorry, I got you.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
I got you.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
A part of that will probably depend on on how
long Rollins is out. Part of it's going to depend
on what transpires over these next several months.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
But I could see scenarios.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Whereas what I do think they're planning the seeds of
is at some point in time, you keep calling Brown
the future of WrestleMania, but you're telling me Bronson Reed
gets the next title shot.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
I think at some point in time there's gonna be
some dissension.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Between those two over who should be next, who should
get the title shot, who should be champion and all that.
And then how does the logan Paul play into this?
If Rowlins is still with that group when he comes back.
How does everybody fit in? Then? I think there's some
interesting opportunities there. We'll see how they take advantage of
it when the time comes.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you, interesting opportunities. Can they
come to fruition? And how long will it take for
WWE's favorite word, dissension to creep into division?

Speaker 2 (26:01):
What I did not like on Ramiicah was.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I was surprised by Punk's reaction when Logan Paul came out.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Oh no no no, no, no no no anybody no
not you, not you.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
You go over to SmackDown. You look better in blue anyway,
anybody but you.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
I don't think what they were trying to accomplish with
that work. It's just to me, it came across more
like Punk had no interest in doing business with Logan
Paul help. Maybe that was what they were trying to
get across. I just it just came across like, no,
I don't want to fight you. I did not like
the way that was executed.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
In house audio wasn't great. How to re listen to
the promo later? And is there how long has see
Unpunk been back in WWE?

Speaker 2 (26:49):
A year and a half, a couple of years now.
Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
There's always gonna be an aschalong where it feels like
he's taking a shot at other companies in his promos. Right,
there's always gonna be strings that it feels like him
be connected to that, and I just wonder if we're
ever gonna get away from it. Yeah, I thought he
was doing a decent job of just trying to put

(27:14):
over the rest of the locker room that we know
doesn't get a reaction and someone has to try to
make them sound like they matter. And seeing punk starts
talking about all the mid carters that I'll ever obviously
never be in the ring with. Maybe he's still long
in the ring, long enough to be in there with
Domastereo in to one a one match. But I thought

(27:35):
he was just trying to kind of put over the
rest of the locker room and then took some shots
at another company. And I thought the logan Paul disrespect
was just kind of short sighted, because I just this
is inevitability, this is the next guy. What he's saying
doesn't really matter because you're already telling us who the
next guy is.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, yes, look I agree I think Logan's gonna be next.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
I do agree with that. I just it almost came
across to me.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
And look, maybe it was just me, like Punk was
being cowardly. Nah, I don't want to fight you. I
think the intention was you go back over there, you're
not ready for this, whatever, go fight to Cody. I
just I don't think what they intended.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Is the way it came across that. That's all. And
again maybe that's just me.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
The fuck is CM punk bringing up you're a SmackDown guy.
That shit don't exist exactly. That was the stupidest shit ever.
Damian Priest just got announced for Raw next week. I
don't want to burst anybody's bubble, but I think he's
been employing his craft on the Blue brand for the
last year and randomly John con a tournament just s

(28:49):
breaks all the lines that were never actually there. So
I didn't understand that that point.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Do we wanna?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
You probably didn't have this on your bingo card, micause,
So I apoly, you want to talk about the AW
takeover of WWE? What the AW takeover of WWE World
Heavyweight Champion, CM Punk Women's World Champion Jade Cargill NXT Champion,

(29:18):
Ricky Saints, NXT North American Champion, Ethan Page, NXT Women's
North American Champion, Blake Monroe.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
You know what, I know what, Let's take this moment
and really truly give a hand to Tony Kahn, because
there's something, if nothing else, you can't say that the
man does not know wrestling talent because he hires really
good wrestlers and then WWE, with what they're able to do,

(29:46):
brings them in. They're able to hire them. This is
a business. People move around and then they recognize how
great those wrestlers were and they elevate them because you know,
they don't have their own training system that just creates wrestlers.
I gotta go out and hire other ones from other
companies to truly be successful.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
I was gonna say, AW can't grow WWE can't grow
stars on their own. They have to go out steal
them from AAW. And of course, of course I'm being
incredibly facetious here, but that's the reverse order narrative.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Oh Adam Kope, but oh Christian, oh Jericho, Oh Tony
Kahan can't create stars. He's got to go still other ones.
Half the damn titleholders in WWE or former AEW talent,
But nobody says that in reverse, right, And look, of
course I'm being facetious, and I recognize punk what was

(30:37):
a multi time champion in WWE before his long layoff
and his appearances an aide. I know, I know. I'm
just saying.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
We're a little one sided sometimes with our critiques of
but when we get into the tribalism of pro wrestling, that's.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
All shout out to being able to see aj styles
perform live. Finnvalor, that was the best match I thought
on rob By four that we saw this past week.
Did a tag team match that was incredible. You bring
we had the other half of the main event real quick.
I wanted to shout out, yeah, jay Uso, Boy, do

(31:14):
the kids love you? Boy? Do the fans react when
you come out. I've never seen people tune out from
a match, fucking quicker for the whole arena, a rocking
will the dude comes out. They give two shits what
he does when he gets in the ring. And I
don't understand why this isn't a bigger problem that his
entrance and hitting it a second time is the best

(31:34):
thing he does. I was in a pile of kids
in his merchandise, and they all tuned out the entire.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Match attention They did not know what was going on.
Attention spans, I think you see this. I'll just speak
generally a lot of times in wrestling with the short
attention span. If you're sitting at home, you're probably not
fast forwarding through a big entrance like a Yeedy entrance
if you will, but you'll fast forward through parts of
the man and things like that. I hear you, by

(32:02):
the way, and I did it intentionally, but I changed
my mind. We're gonna add Dragonly to that mix as well.
When half of the World Tag Team Champions former aw talent.
So I'm just saying, Tony Kahan, crazy like a fox,
has sent all these wrestlers to infiltrate WWE and bring
them down from the inside.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Tony Khan takeover, and so can you continue tooper to
push your narrative of WWE doesn't create their own stars.
His partner aj styles can never be considered AWWE product.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Come on now, well, yeah, you're probably right.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
And look, of course I am being again, I'm being
facetious here. I am being very tongue in cheek, but
anytime an ex WWE guy wins about in aw.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Oh, Tony Khan can't can't create stars. Oh, he's got
to rely on stars in the past.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Look, having said all that shit, you said something earlier
when we were talking about maybe a surprise for seeing
his final opponent. I love Ethan Page and I think
he's got a great look and I think he can work.
If you're talking about someone from NXT, he would be
my choice. That being said, and this ain't a bad plan. B.

(33:19):
My guess would be if it was someone from NXT.
Ricky Saints, the former Ricky Starks, would probably be that guy,
and I wouldn't hate on that either. Again, I don't
think they're going that route. I think it's Gunther and
if it ain't gun Through, it'll be Priest. But if
you wanted to go to what's looked upon as one

(33:40):
of the younger guys because they're in NXT, i'd go
with one of those two.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
They've talked about in other sports recently. I think football
baseball realignment. If I can realign the w w E roster. Yeah,
Ethan Page Ricky Starks are definitely main card worthy and
we'll leave out the handful of guys that ship down
back down to NXT.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Mike got anything else WWE related? You wanted to touch on.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Dom Asterio's a face. A lot of stuff don't make sense,
people like jay USO's entrance. Yeah, I think we hit
everything all.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Right, fair enough over a aew you know the ones
left that haven't infiltrated WWE and won all their belts. Cody,
you know, I didn't even bring up Cody, the first
one that Tony conson over.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
I'm kidding, but I'm just saying, you.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Know, there are people that believe McMahon sent Vince Russo
to kill wcw Right. So if you can believe that
is any of this shit, I was just saying, really
that hard to believe.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
It's really not.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
It's not accurate, but it's not hard to buy into
if you really wanted to. We had aw Dinah Might
Fright night, including UH number one Contenders match for the
UH World Men's World Championship, as Hangman Page calls it,
the beginning of the women's tag team tournament. Let's let's

(35:15):
start with the number one Contenders match for the Men's
World Championship. Lastly, Ricochet, Samoa Joe and Hook What do
you think of this match?

Speaker 3 (35:27):
That was interesting. I felt like Bobby Lashley did a
lot to look fearsome. I thought that Ricochet looked like
a million bucks. Joe pulls out the win and we
all have to wonder did Hook do too much? Was
it meant to look like it was Joe's yelling at
him big brother Ringham. You get the Bobby Lashley incident

(35:49):
that's now well talked about, Calm down and then I'm sorry, Taz.
And at the first moment that I watched it, I
just kinda didn't take it in for what it was.
I heard Bobby lash the la com down, I'm like,
I guess he's just telling him, you know, kid, calm down.
And then when he said sorry, Taz, I was like, oh,
look at that. He's antagonizing. And then you look maybe deeper,

(36:12):
You're like, were they putting.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Hook in his place?

Speaker 3 (36:15):
So I'm not sure what to make of some of
that match, Like I didn't know what's to make of
some of jay usso cmpunk. But for the most part,
I thought Lashly Rick Cochet showed that they could be
Number one contenders, and Josho Bye is time out If.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
They were really as you put it and others were
putting hook.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
In his place.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Is there any chance in hell? Bobby Lashley looks at
the camera and apologizes the Taz and aw keeps the
camera on lastly while he does it.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Come on, man, it's.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
All kfab if it happens on camera. It was supposed
to happen on camera. I guess we get a deeper
now look into the spunkiness, the tenaciousness of the young Hooker.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
The young Hooker. Yes, yes, the goal here. He's wild, he's.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yeah, he's out of control, like a little mini version
of his dad, which is interesting because Taz wasn't exactly
the biggest guy ever. Yeah, it's setting stuff up. Yeah,
I saw a lot of that online. I'm like, look,
they would have at the very least lastly, that doesn't
make TV. Sorry, Taz, you know the other stuff. Maybe

(37:38):
it does make TV if it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
But no, it was all.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
They knew exactly what they were doing there. Hook didn't
have to be rained in put it that way, good story.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
All I was gonna say is that out of him,
Hooks the one that needs the help. He needs the elevation.
He's the one that one of these things is not
like the other, and that was the guy with the
least amount of experience.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Well, look, I thought they did a good job in
this match with the finish, keeping Lashly strong, hell, keeping
Ricochet strong. And yes, Hook was going to have to
take the pen here or the submission. He was going
to have to be the one being defeated. But with
that stuff earlier, you were getting over how out of

(38:25):
control Hook is, and so you were helping him knowing
he was going to be the one to take the
loss a little later. So I wasn't a fan of
this match when it was announced, but I thought they
did a really good job with the match. It was
incredibly entertaining, and I think it came out.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
As well as it could have for everyone involved.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
And I don't think there was much surprise. I thought,
maybe you throw a monkey wrench some things and put
Ricochet in a main event spotlight with Hangman, But I
really couldn't say. Lastly, where it seemed like they were
leading towards the trios, maybe titles or or something else.
I didn't think we were just gonna suddenly break Lashly

(39:09):
from the hurts and it gets It made a lot
of sense to have Joe come out victorious. Not sure
why I needed to sign a contract afterwards, but credit
to Hangman page I never thought i'd say for his
Tony Schavanni impersonation, and credit for attempting to limpsick as

(39:29):
good as Millie Vanilli.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Uh. Looking back at it after the fact, I didn't
like that as much. I was not expecting Hangman to
be in the fenom of the opera outfit that Shavanni
was in just mere seconds ago in the same ring.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Well, it was Halloween. It's fine.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
If they had done that in like August or something, Yeah,
that I'd be.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Shitting all over that. It was fine.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
I didn't like the contract signing immediately afterwards either. I
thought it was hokey. But you were doing that to
get to that Hangman part, so yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Whatever, it made sense, it was hokey. Didn't love it.
Hey Man now mysteriously gonna team with Kingston and hook
And only say mysteriously cause I might have called him
a hooker, but if you know, was like, hey Man's
the whore because for a guy with a target on

(40:31):
his back, he'll just team with anybody. He'll jump in
your threesome with whoever you want. To tag on that
apron with and really it just doesn't make sense because
it kind of obliterated the Ops with a couple of
low blows on his own. So I'm like, oh, these
guys aren't so tough. Let me kick him in the nuts.
And that was one on one, Okay, why do you
need two other dudes?

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Are we seeing the downfall of John Moxley or the
ascension of Kyle O'Reilly.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
I think they're trying to put the Death Riders back
fully into a corner so that it seems like a
surprise when they win Bludding Guts. That's the best of
what I'm getting at. Or maybe there will be a
full demise of the Death Riders because Loxley's out of sorts.

(41:22):
The other guys are becoming extremists. Poor Wheeler and Garcia
are getting their asses kicked. If they're an at tag
match against Bone to Fi guys, it's all coming apart
the Death Riders.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
If the Death Riders are done, I feel the worst
for Daniel Garcia because now he's got to go back
and apologize to Nigel McGinnis.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
He's got a beg.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Daddy Magic to take him back and apologize Their poor
Daniel Garcia, always making the wrong choice.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
What's the end all be all? If the Conglomeration win
guts like this past week seeing Commander Oh, I guess
he's in there now with a Brisco and uh Roddy,
the frenem me of the group, get a win over
the Kallous family. I believe, I mean that that's one step,

(42:16):
but I mean, excuse me against LFI, my bad, my bad,
Alifi Sammy Gavara, that I should have said, what's shaking?
Is that mustache off his face? It's like it's drawing on. Yeah,
but what is the end? I'll be off the Conglomeration wins.
I think that you can't actually have Darby and the
conglom extinguish the Death Riders. I feel like it's gotta

(42:40):
come back around. I feel like like the Bloodline can't
go an episode without bringing them up. Tony Collins just
ain't gonna let the Death Writers die, just like WWE
doesn't let the blood Line go.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
If the Conglomeration wins blood and guts, the Death Riders
need to boot Moxley out and reveal the true leader.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
And it has to be huge, and.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
I don't know how it can be Danielson.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Not wrestling Danielson is the only way it can be huge.
And let me be clear, and I said this last
week as well. I'm not necessarily advocating for that. I
don't know that Danielson is interested in it. I don't
know that Tony Kahn would be interested in it. But
there's only one other name that makes it interesting. And
I even hesitate to bring it up. He was originally

(43:27):
linked to the group when they first formed and for
whatever reason, never happened. But if it ain't Danielson, after all,
there's only one other person that can be.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
And I don't think they're bringing in Shane o'mack.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Unford well. And I also he's going to his kid's
future like that right, They are pure failing college football
prospects who are looking to get into the WWE Performance Institute,
just like the Steiners sons are falling short of the NFL.
You know that that's that's what happens to college football

(44:01):
players with wrestling lineage. You get your D two scholarship
and then you end up at the performance center. Shane's
not risking his kid's future to go to AEW or
he would have did it the first time.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Well, as we've established in the show, wwe can't build stars.
They got to steal him from aaw so maybe that
is the way to go. I look, I agree with
you in all seriousness, but point being like, who's the
fucker from Japan that I keep calling Tyson Kid Gabe Kid?

(44:35):
It can't be him because no disrespect.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
That just falls flat. I don't there's.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
For MMA fans, Gabe Kid would have been the equivalent
of who the fuck is that guy?

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Right exactly?

Speaker 1 (44:52):
I suppose if you wanted to, you could do it
with MJF. But that doesn't make sense for so many reasons,
and quite honestly, MJF might just be a part time
guy at this point. Come back for a few months,
go make a movie. Come back for a few months,
go make a movie. So maybe we are the whole
point of all this. Maybe we are coming to the

(45:14):
end of the line with the Death Riders, because if
they lose here, nobody cares.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
About them anymore.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
They're not why they once were unless you're booting Moxley out.
But you got to have a strong leader reveal himself,
and I don't think they have that person.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Okay, all right, just came to me. Now it's gonna
be horrible. It's gonna be awful. Give me those looks
you already give me and start rolling your eyes. People,
be glad we're not on video yet, so you don't
have to see some of these.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
I bet I can top your horrible idea here with
an even more horrible idea in a second.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
But go ahead.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Kyle Fletcher pushes away Don Kallas, I'm sick of you
caring about Okada, and Takeshna and their beef. He just
walks away, and then all of a sudden he's not
the true leader. But when John Moxley falters, he comes
out and takes out John Moxley, and the Death Riders
just look at him and they go. It's kind of

(46:08):
like one of those mythological kind of old school battle movies.
Black Panther even did this. You kill the King and
you become the king. And then we have a guy
that in that MJF Mold feels like he could be
the next face. But this dude actually is a pro
wrestler right now, full time. I would put Kyle Fletcher

(46:29):
as the new leader of the Death Riders. Somehow make
that make sense.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
I think the issue. That's not a horrible idea, by
the way, but I think the issue.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
With it is.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Fletcher doesn't really fit the Death Rider's motif. Now you're
killing the king, as you put it, and proclaiming yourself king,
so you can reshape the group in your image.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
So you're not wearing white T shirts and whatnot, or,
in the case of Claudio, a bunch of post it No,
it's all over your coat.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
But I could just wear suits and look mean.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, but I don't think he fits. Hey, look, I
threw out MJF and he probably doesn't fit either. Where
I thought you might go and how I'm going to
top your idea with an even worse idea. Copeland and
Christian make their triumphant return. They're walking in the back
and Christian sees the remnants of the Death Riders and

(47:26):
just says, hmm, you guys look like you could use
a father.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
I'm just saying, you had me until you.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Call him daddy. Well, you had me until you called
him daddy.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Claudio probably ain't calling him daddy, but you could make
Daniel Garcia call him daddy. You can make Wheeler you
to call him daddy. Pack might be a bit of
a challenge, mister Cage. Maybe yeah, yeah, look that that
a't happening either.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
I just.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
If if you're keeping the death Riders around.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
They either need to win or they beat Maxley down
and leave him for dead.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
But at that point in time, he's go.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Look if it gets Danielson off a commentary, I'm all
in favor of this.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
No, that's probably gotta be what it got to be.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
That's just brutal. But yeah, I don't know. I just.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Having said all that, the two matches, the last couple
of weeks with Moxley and O'Reilly, I think is really
showcase Kyle O'Reilly. I just don't know that we're really
building him up as much as we're tearing down John Moxley,
you know.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
And I wonder what we're tearing him down for and
how that corner will turn, because once we get to
blood and guts, I truly do find fondness in you,
Kyle O'Reilly. You're the fourth most important person in that
cage on your team. You've got Orange Cassidy, you've got
Mark Briscoe, and you've got Darby Allen. I don't see

(48:58):
him leapfrogging any of them in an importancy moving forward.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Speaking of moving forward and dissension in the ranks the
don Kallis family. That being said, the painting that Rocky
Romero unveiled, that's kind of sweet.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
I like, dude, what is Tony Kahan's grudge against Brian Cage?
Wardlow's in that shitty painting and Brian Cage is not.
I call it a shitty painting. Actually, I know it's
gonna be over the top to tell you we should
probably change and I know that it has our social
handles on it, then it's functional. But our Twitter background
to that photo.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Maybe you could be onto something there.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
But obviously this is all about Takeshka and Okata.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Which I feel like they could have did more to
disrespect to Keshna in the photo to kind of signify
the separation from the group. Shout out to Rocky for
still trying to keep the family together, making Kyle, Okata
and Takashna in the painting feel as important.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Well.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
This is the only time in his entire aw run
that Rocky Romero has been seen as somewhat important. He
can't afford for the family to disintegrate. And lose his spot.
So I get it. I could only assume Micah that
if one of these guys is leaving the don Kallis family,

(50:26):
it's gonna be Takashika, and.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
He's gonna be a face.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
He has to be, And I think he's gonna be
a singular entity, kind of like a Hangman page, hopefully
not as slutty, though not just teaming with everybody that
walks by him and calls him dude. He used to
just be so down for the Dark Order and now
just anybody that looks his way. He's like Trio Trio,
True Trio.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
After you've been with a Dark Order, anything's an improvement.
So even if he is getting around, that's fine.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
That hang man man, he gets around, but Takashna Okada,
it has to come to a head. I don't think
you're gonna separate Okada. He's there, but he's not as
intricate in full time. He has a title to look important.
He can muster up a great match every so often,
but he's not in that grind anymore. So I don't

(51:22):
think you're just gonna put him as a as a
face to launch him. I think there's a lot to
be built from for Kenoski Takashna to become that entity,
to make him more beloved. We need more faces right now.
So I think it will come around for him as
he gets excommunicated from the family von Callous a little

(51:46):
bit more protesting he was. You were the first one
in and he'll be the last one out. That's gonna
change really quickly.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
We've got our challengers for the aw tag team titles
at full gear FTR beats Jet Speed the Young Bucks
in Jurassic Express to.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Earn said title. Shot is this where we take the
belts off of Rodido.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
That's what we called. That's what we expect. Uh, if
nothing else, We're jumping ahead to collision real quick. That mask,
that match, that mask, my bad with both of them
having one on that match with Mascarado Dorado and Bandido
freaking epic, freaking solid.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Good right too.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Wow, those two guys have a They are the polar opposite.
They are the Yen. They are the Yen to the
Yang of Jade and Tiffy maximum chemistry and that shit
great artisery. I'm gonna stop short of flare Steamboat. Don't
think I'm over climax and here everybody. But that was

(52:52):
some solid shit match of the Year contender, and I
think Bandido is ready. He needs to drop that Ring
of Honor tie so we can get a real run
going here in aw FTR back with the belts and
showing how stokely Hathaway pays off with their resurgence. I
thought that Jet Speed did a lot really well in

(53:15):
this match, and uh, I don't know if I love
them as a tack team because I like each one
so much and where a lack of faces. Almost wish
they were an attack team. But there was not a
lot to complain about in this match.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
There wasn't. I don't know that you got to take
the Ring of Honor title off the Bandido. I maybe
you do, but we'll see.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
I think we're probably nearing the end of the line
of Brodito though, so that'll be interesting. I'm assuming FTR wins.
And oh look, as I mentioned before, but differently this time,
here comes Edgen and Christian, Adam Copeland and Christian walking
in the back. Oh my god, they're back. There's unfinished

(54:03):
business with FTR. Now we got the tag team titles
in play.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
I like how it's coming together. It's all coming together.
I wonder if Percy Jackson or whatever show Adam Copeland
is on his done filming.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Did I get it right?

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Is it Perscy Jackson? I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
I don't know. It's something where he plays a Greek
god or something, or.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
I gotta be honest, I've never seen any of Copeland's acting.
I've heard of it, but I haven't seen it.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
You go to all the trouble of creating that sweet
ass entrance video for the conglomeration, and you start the
show off with a trick or treat Tornado tag Darby
Allen Orange Cassidy versus Daniel Garcia, Wheeler, Yuda. Darby and
Orange Cassidy get separate entrances. You don't use that sweet

(54:54):
ass Conglomeration video. You use the damn Orange Cassidy video
and the crappy Orange ca.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
The song not Not Jefferson Starship.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Right, and then you save that later for Commander and
Kyle O'Reilly to be able to make their and just
I'm not sure what's going on. I'm not sure what's
going on. Who gets the video, who doesn't get the video?
We know one thing for sure, though, we can both agree,
Orange Cashi, you should have that video, should have that song,

(55:29):
and we don't need what they're giving him. Yeah, his choice,
or you think Tony's just married to it.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
It's probably a Tony thing.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
He's like, look, we're paying all this money to license
the damn Pixie song.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Well we're gonna use it. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
It was a good match, Darby, and that can make
that the entrance to collision. H It wasn't a bad
match that got the win. It was what it should be.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Yeah, No, I.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Didn't know if I was feeling the the it was
a fun match. I think that they're coming together. Well,
I think that there's still a lot of fun to
be had and the chaos that the conglomeration bring together.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
All in all, I just tend to me the conglomeration
just feels like a poor man's dudes with attitudes.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
If you remember that error in WCW.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
I don't know, but you put Darby, you put Orange
Cassidy on a team for me, How are you not
gonna love that? Darby's reckless. It's like you shot shot
out of a canon with half of its moves. It's
never gonna be something to complain about.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
But the conglomeration is almost as big as the don
Kallis family. Yet you've got them teaming with people who
aren't in the conglomeration, Commander Derby.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
I just don't get it.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
You know, you could, You could fake and tell me
that commander is in the conglomeration because because just like
Harley Cameron is conglomerate adjacent, because of Willow Nightingale, you
would say the same about commander because to see MLL
tag team partner is holo ground, so he is actually
just a loocha placement.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
I get it, But you already got like an eight
man faction. Do you need that many conglomeration adjacent people
to help augment it?

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I mean, I don't think so, but maybe that's me.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
And the Darby Allen aspect makes sense for one reason.
He was a solo army in a war against the
Death Rids, and he needed to sign up some recruits,
and two did and another one said, I guess, so,
I mean, you're right. He probably didn't even say I guess.

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They just probably said, like you, I.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Mean, I guess, Jamie Hater Queen Amanado versus the Sisters
of Sin Opening round of the women's turn and oh
look you here, Julia Hart and Sky Bluke got the win.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
You were surprised, no, I kind of was the use
of Tekla. I kind of thought we were gonna see
Julia Hart and Queen Almanada advanced, just because now it
is more in play to me, like you said your
premonition last week of the money and Athena implosion, impossibly

(58:27):
something leading to maybe a Ring of Honor match between
the two of them. I think it's gonna be in
Ring of Honor. That looks a lot more likely now
because I feel like Tony likes to keep it simple
faces against heels, and that means that Harley Willow should
be meeting Sisters of Sin to further antagonize the women's

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Blood and Guts match in the semi finals, rather than
seeing Sisters of Sin go against Mercedes Monet, who they're
gonna team up with inside of blooding Guns.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
And then we got Penelope Ford letting everyone know she's hurt,
she can't be in the tournament.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
And uh, Meghan May needs a partner. Oh look there's
Maria Shaffir.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
You know what was awkward for me throughout the week
and you kind of already touched on it. But the
man on commentary who on Halloween was swearing the Hetchay
zero costume. Yeah yeah, yeah, mysterear should lead the Death
Riders needs to get off a commentary because did you
notice when he jumped the moon or jumped the gun

(59:42):
on a wrestling announcement and ex skyllakers like, yes, yes,
we were just getting that in our ears from Tony Kahan.
If I was Daniel said, I would have I could.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Hear that too.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
I always thought it was just you and Stefani.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
My bad.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
I mean you could have played it, but he jumped
the gun and then you went to he jumped the
Penela before an injury announcement, even saying she's injured and
that she can't be a part of Blood and Guts
before the Blood and Guts team was announced. This dude
like knows too much and it's coming out on the
on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
You know what, I don't think he jumped a gun
on anything. I think that was done purposely. Aw WCW
used to be bad at this too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
At times.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Aw has a nasty habit of spoiling their own shit,
and that's kinda may look, maybe you're right and Danielson
jumped the gun.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
It is entirely possible.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
I think he did what he was supposed to do,
and yes, the end result is still the same, But
I think that's I took it as that's what they
wanted to do. Regardless, it watered down the actual announcement
for sure, as it does every time something like that happens.
But yeah, I just the greater point, which I think
you're tried to make. We got to get Danielson off

(01:01:01):
a commentary.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
This just, whether that was planned or not, it felt painful.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
He peaked in week one or week two, and not
only has he not gotten better, he's gotten progressively worse.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
I would concur with that sentiment. I also find it
kind of weird Penelope forward with the injury. She's hanging
out most most of them don't hang out with the injuries,
because we know how many people in aw have injuries.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Well, she had to hang out so they could make
the announcement. Is she going to be around this whole time?
I mean maybe since you know, as being part of
the faction, but probably not. Here's the other thing that
that bugs me about the Danielson stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
It's not like aw short on announcers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
You've got more than you know what to do with anyway,
so it would be easy enough to replay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
You probably want to give him something to do. You
probably want to put him on TV. Only there was
something else he could do every week on TV and
make an impact, no pun intended leading a faction of
some sort.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
But yeah, this just it ain't working. It ain't working.
It ain't working, Micah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
If the conglomeration doesn't need to go outsourcing, what are
we to make of woll Is it more of just
he's spreading himself too thin. Don Kallis has too much
on his plate. He's allowing the Takeshna Okada rivalry to

(01:02:32):
not be a priority. It's gonna blow up in his
face and Takesha is gonna become a face because he
has this obsession. No no, no, no, Not with Kevini
Old Mega's intestines, which that one seems to have been
pretty deep too, But for some reason with the Young Bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Why because he's got to keep Okada happy, because Okada
is going to stay in the family, Okada in the
Bucks or Buds.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Then why don't you use Okada's relationship to leverage. How
is teaming with Josh Alexander going to benefit the relationship?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
I don't know. Don't sell don kallis short.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
I think he's got a plan. We'll see, we'll see
real quick collision. Okada and Takeshika took on Maxcaster and
Anthony Bowen's two teams that don't want to be a team.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
One of them should be a team.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Though. I love that match. That match was amazing. I've
never seen tag team partners fight with each other so much.
It played out the appropriate way. I don't know what
the give is going to be. And finally getting the
acclaim back together. Maybe this is when Daddy reappears because
Surrogate Daddy Jerry didn't work out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Maybe I explain to me why we had Meghan Bain
and Marina Shaffir take on Nixon Newell and Miranda Elise.
You've got one of those teams are in the tournament,
the other is not. The team that is in the
tournament should have been preparing for the tournament.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
New Partner and Marina work out the kinks or whatever.
It just just seemed like a waste of time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
I didn't like that newly signed tag team. I can
understand why Nixon Nowle obviously shows why she was a
product of the WWE Performance Center. She definitely shows all
those years of that effort.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Ouch.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
That's that's that's yeah, that's that's what the training. Other
than that, though, it did make sense they needed that
little run to make sure there was chemistry. Where it
failed to make sense for me though, and it was
ad libbed. This was supposed to be TJ taking on
that new tag team if you remember the promo cut
just the previous week when they had the face off,

(01:04:48):
and obviously they made the snap judgment because of the
forward injury to change the matchup to give them a
match to work on their chemistry. That's just exactly how
it played out to me. Not a great match. I
don't think that uh Alsea really knew how to react

(01:05:10):
to the mother's Milk submission, so it looked a little funky.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
They'll be fine, Yeah, it'll be fine, It'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
We also got the announcement for the women's Blood and
Guts match team Monet Declass, Sky Blue, Julia Hartmega Bay,
Marina Shafir and Mercedes Versus Team Storm, Jamie Hayter, Queen Amnada,
Willow Knight and Yale Harley Cameron, Tony Sworm, Christatlander, a.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Lot of people, almost everybody on the roster. We'll see
who gets extreme. We'll see if anybody turns on anybody.
There's a there's a whole lot of does Statlander trust
Willow still to be investigated in there. Parts of the
women's Tag Tournament are in there and other parts aren't.
We'll see how everybody co exists.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
And Marina Shaffir sticks out like a sore thumb because
maybe it's just strictly necessity, but if you are about
to in the Death Riders, you're getting Marina Shaffir away
from them as quickly as possible. It seems like with
her involvement in the Tag Tournament and in the Blood
and Guts.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
That could be a possibility where they're separating, or it's
just she's the injury fell in for Penalo Befod, but
it is interesting where you would think she would be
a factor somewhere in the men's match with the Death Riders,
that now she will most likely be too injured to
play a part anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
She wanted to hit on micah, hmmm.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
I think I heard that there's over is it? Over
twenty thousand tickets sold for the upcoming Wrestler Kingdom. So
with the help of Kenoski Takeshna, New Japan Pro Wrestling
trying to do what they can to re establish themselves.

(01:07:04):
I believe it's a I can't say his name. Suji
is going to be taking on Takeashna in the main event.
So maybe not fully gone from the global wrestling perspective,
New Japan looking to find a way, and if you

(01:07:26):
remember that audience, it looks like that audience is once
again starting to really appreciate the product.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Over thirty thousand tickets sold.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
That's the most since before the pandemic in twenty twenty
thirty thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Shit, even bigger number than I thought. My bad that
I said, twenty thirty thousand. That's an awesome fricking number. Congratulations.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Tana Hashi does not appreciate you short changing them by
ten thousand tickets, canosk Oh tana Hashi ton of ho
Yeah yeah, that ton of hat oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
You think he's stuck in a wrestle Did he have
his last wrestl Kingdom? One more left? In him.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
I don't think he has one more in him. I
think he is done. Yeah, that's probably for the best New.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Japan coming back around. I think I heard there's something
going on with cml L having sold or done something
global rustling. At least there's a lot swinging up right
now after having seen so much of the global talent
pillaged to where we can now watch it. So once
again coming around, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
And before we get crucified, Tana Hashi will have his
retirement match at Russell Kingdom.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
The opponent has not yet.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Been named, Okay, so that's gonna be interesting. See who
supplants that mantle. Who's going to be coming after the ace?
Like if you're getting that rub, like like, let me
not understill this people, This matters as much for New
Japan as the rub that John Cena will give to
whoever beats him on December thirteenth. That is pivotal for

(01:08:54):
the next person wants to take a mantle in this company.
That's big shit. If you agree, I disagree, hit me
up on x at frankle Micah to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
You can get the show on x at PW after hours.
You can find me at Real Mike Carlisle.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
We will talk to you next week for another episode
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