Ep 316: John Cena Wins The IC Title. AEW Blood And Guts.

Episode 316: John Cena adds another title to his resume, but why? AEW Blood and Guts.  All the latest news.













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Speaker 1 (00:06):
What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Pro Wrestling after Hours.
It's Michael Carlile, joined as always by Micah Frankle Micah
want shake it, man, man.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
The combination of HEP cologne and orgy commentary that better
get you shaken.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
It does, but not in the way they would prefer.
I be shaking.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'll shake whatever way Tony Storm wants me to.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Well, you're not wrong, They're good, sir.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
How are things, man, They're they're they're doing good. They're
good for me, probably better for me than Domastereo right now.
I mean, once you go up, you're bound to come down.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
And that's fine. But why in the ever loving heck
would you.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
End his icy title reign at the hands of John
Cena just so John that can win the one.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Title in WWE's never won allegedly.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't do anything that for
Sina's legacy. I'm fine if you want to have Dom
drop the belt, but haven't mean something. This was I
don't understand this at all, Micah.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
I just feel like it assures us that Dom is
losing to John Cena at War Game Survivor series. The
Vivor series war Games whatever they call that. It didn't
surprise me. You're you're really telling me, John Cena, it's
never been an IC champion. You just kept that United
States title just on there constantly when he needed a

(01:43):
liner title. I like this much better than any of
the heel stuff that John Cena did, So this at
least feel good for the retirementur. I don't know why
the belt out to be on the line. He could
have just put Dom in his place without the belt.
It was a fine match. I mean, Boston loved it.

(02:04):
They got the green, they got the scene. It was fun.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
There's so much about this scene of retirement tour that
they have just fed up. And I don't even from
seeing this perspective, I would even call this an f up.
I just don't think it adds anything. I don't being
a Grand Slam champion doesn't matter all right now, I'm
gonna sound like an old man. In my day, being
a Grand Slam WWE champion meant you had held the

(02:29):
WW Heavyweight title, the Icy title, and the tag team title.
There was no US title, there was no hardcore title,
there was no twenty four to seven title, there was
none of all this shit. So now I'm off my
grumpy old man soapbox.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
But excuse me, let me get on that soapbox real
quick and tell you that I don't care when the
writer of the TV show comes out from the back
to tell us how great the script is that he
wrote for the guy, and how the guy that acts
out his script the best because he sold merchandise is
the greatest of all time. I felt like there was
a lot that happened that we didn't need. I do

(03:08):
believe there is a need to honor, respect, even celebrate
John Cena on his retirement. But I don't feel like
they've done that shit. They've just kind of roman reigns
him down my throat.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
You turned him heel, which sucked you right, You backed
out of that. You had brock Lesner beat the ever
loving fuck out of him. What kind of self respecting
man is John Cena that he doesn't want rock Lester
one more time before he hangs it up?

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I mean, like anybody in real life, even if you
can't get your ass beat, you're like, I got to
avenge this.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
When has John Cena ever taken a loss? Laying down
like that just been stepped on?

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Right, It's done with it, hasn't brought it up since
apparently ain't gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, there was just he did not need to win.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
The Intercontinental title to submit his legacy. He just did it,
and all you did was we can Dominic mysterio. Now
you can rectify that. I just don't know that WWE
is good enough to rectify that and help Dominic overcome this.
Not that he's gonna become Austin Theory or Grayson Waller.
I don't mean that, but fuck it, you had a

(04:25):
good thing going. If you want to take the belt
off of him, give.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
It to somebody else. Don't give it a John fucking Sena.
Maybe this is a larger ploy to take dom off
of Raw because he's needed in Triple A. He is
a Mega compiond wait, he is the Mega Champion. Yes,
they whitewashed that promotion so bad Triple A. Look, I

(04:49):
have a trouble saying the actual creatunciations, and I live
in New Mexico, but god, Mega Mega Campion is not
that hard guy. They should have done that to dom
That was kind of weird. I think they can rectify him.
I don't know if this helps facilitate more grudge and

(05:11):
I are there in the Judgment Day mysterious by their
absence for part of the night. Doesn't it feel like
in some semblances the last couple of weeks, it's almost
been like a raw skeleton crew, and we're missing elements
of the show, like where was JD and Finn? Where
was the background for the Judgment Day? Where was the
Judgment Day hangout some of these things that were used

(05:34):
to Where was them sniping at each other? Where where
the frig was that damn lucha bastard Grande Americano and
his mother henchman. Aren't they the dom secondary defense?

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I think this is all about Dom running his mouth.
You okay, over there, just break something.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Oh I totally knocked a mouse off of the off.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Of the table, and when I went to grab my drink,
I thought, Sean Michael has just kicked you through the
last plate window of the Brutus Barbara Beefcakes talk Show
segment set.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Slightly short of a Jeannetty slightly short of a Jeanetti.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Okay, yeah, I thought you got jenettied. I forgot what
I was saying.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, No, I think this is about Dom
running his mouth biting off board than he could chew,
and his backup wasn't there to save him, and he'll
be upset about that and not be It's just this
did not need to happen, and nobody is better for
it happening.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Okay, with it happening? Uh huh with and I'm gonna
spend the conversation real quick. I'm not gonna poke you
in the eye. I wonder where the creative minds in
TKO came from. That that would be a great angle
to run with right now, with Damian Priest, Rustaph gets
a victory, Seamus gets a victory over knock Amaura. Don't

(06:55):
even want to bring up what they've done afore knock Amura,
But does any of those victories anything that happened with
John Cena. The announcement that Gunther's in the tournament, Solo
Socoa's in the tournament? Has this change your perspective on
that You and me feel that Gunther is the betting favorite.
Maybe Dom Mysterio's in this tournament.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Now, that's the only way this makes sense, right, is
if Dom's in the tournament and he gets the Icy
title back. Look, the Gunther thing makes a whole lot
of sense until you introduce the Icy title into the picture.
I don't know that Sena has another match before his

(07:38):
last match at this point, so he probably ain't dropping
the belt before then.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
It looked like he was appearing in New York. He's
going to prepare at the Survivor Series, and then we
have him at the Saturday night's main events. The question is,
does he defend the title at the Survivor Series And
do we really see John Cena losing like what three
of us last four matches.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, ordinarily no, but they had Brock beat him and
then never bring it up again. So I mean, I
suppose you could do that. But look, gunh beating Sena
in Sena's final match and capturing the Icy title doesn't
do shit for gunther As. Remember, I think it takes
away from beating Sena because now all of a sudden

(08:23):
you just look at gunther as well. This guy used
to be the world champ. Now he's just the Icy Champ.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
I don't think it works. So if he's.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Holding onto the belt, then yeah, Dom needs to get
into this somehow. Maybe Elgande Americano is in the tournament
and he makes it to the finals and beat Sena
and then oh my god, no, it's actually dominic mysterio
under the mask or something wonky like that. I don't know,
but if the Icy title is gonna be in play,
I think we've got to relook at this because it

(08:56):
would make a lot more sense for a solo and
La Night Hell, even the miss Yeah, I don't I
don't understand what the hell they're doing here, And I
can't believe you could fuck up a Johnsenor retirement towards
something that just writes up send him out there every
week to wave at the crowd.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Do what you can't see me and fucking walk out
with his hand raised.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
It's not that hard. How could you fuck this up
as much as they have fucked this up? Micah, This
is the type of thing.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
That keeps me up at night.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I don't understand how something that's so simple and so
easy you can just say, oh no, let's do this,
let's do this, and just utterly ruin it.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
A lot of speculation that the mystery opponent, and I'm
not sure if this was gonna be for SmackDown or Raw.
I think they each have mystery tournament entrance by now. Yeah,
Jeff Hardy could be back on WWE TV in twenty
twenty five. And I'm not talking about NXT. We talk

(09:58):
about the real shows. People.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
What does Jeff Hardy gain by retiring John Cena?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
I mean, and I'm fine with that, but I mean,
what do you think everybody's fascination was on the internet
with bringing up Adams Copeland's name in there, wanting to
see John Cena versus Edge, And it felt like it
was a topic that almost grew a secondary life. That

(10:29):
people don't understand that WWE counter books AW programming. So
it's not like, hey, yeah, we'll let one of our
guys go over there because we're such good friends who
let's work together.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, the whole letting AW talent go to the WWE
Hall of Fame ceremonies and things like that.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, any goodwill.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
There is gone at this point. Yeah, that just ain't happening. Look,
I love fantasy booking and all that, but no ever
gonna happen, never was gonna happen. At this point. There's
no way in hell Tony Khan would ever sign off
on that. There's nothing ww E could all for him
to make it worth aw's while, so that that was

(11:13):
silly on the part of the Internet wrestling fans. It
just makes no sense at all, makes even less sense
than seen a beating dom Mystereo for the Icy title
on Monday Night Raw. But I digress on that. I'm
still we're still leading towards Gunther.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
I understand that's what I was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
That makes sense for Gunther, But Grande Americano and Company
helping Don Mystereo get over on John Cena doesn't feel
like it's gonna have the satisication. It feels like if
you're putting somebody over last match. I kind of want

(11:58):
to see Johnson to lose and be beat up, and
I think Gunther is the one that can do it
versus Don Masirio cheating and then Red. You know, John
Cena's raising his hand like, at least with the Gunther thing,
you can respect him after beating you exactly.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Look, I don't want to turn this into a shit
on John Cena fest because the he'll turn not his fault.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
This's not his fault. He's just going out and doing
what he's told.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
But I get a tad nauseus every time I hear
them say greatest of all time with Sina. He wasn't
even one of the three best guys in his prime
in the company. Now, look, he's a legend, He's an
all time great. He deserves the retirement tour, first ballot,
Hall of Affair, whatever great thing you want to say
about John Cena. But let's stop with this greatest of

(12:45):
all time shit?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Am I wrong in saying he's the second greatest Ho
Cogan since Ho Cogan? Like taking that role the almost
the two year vitamins, say your prayers that archetype like, Yeah,
I feel like though John falls short in a lot
of metrics to me of being the rock of being

(13:07):
stone cold Steve Austin, we talk about Rick Flair, we
talk about he operators on the mic and in the
ring at a holy fuck level.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
He wasn't as good as Kurt Angle during that era.
I would have him fourth behind Rock, Austin an Angle.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Probably, I'd have Austin first.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Austin Rock Angle, Sina. Now, if you wanted to tell me, no,
he's got to be three. He was bigger than than Angle.
I wouldn't argue with you too much on that, but
I think we can all agree we'd put Rocket and
Austin above him, right, So stop telling me he's the
greatest of all time?

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Well, and not to mention when you say that, and
not to kick him, but is he that much better
than Edge, Randy Orton, some of the guys that we
look at as his greatest adversaries, has a lot closer
to each other than I will even admit. There's another
step between a steamboat, a staying, and a flare. Right.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
The only difference between Sena and you said Orton and Edge.
Sina was around constantly until he left late in his career.
But he didn't miss a ton of time with injuries
and things like that like both those guys did so,
so that's probably your only difference.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
But but yeah, I would think I didn't.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Again, this isn't let's crap all over John Cena day.
He deserves all the accolades, but let's stop trying to
rewrite history and tell me he's the greatest of all time.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Sixteen title reigns matches Flair. That that's great, eh, But
he wasn't better than Rock. He wasn't better than Austin.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
That I think almost universally we.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Can agree upon. Maybe after that, it's all debatable and that's.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Fine, but come on, man, weren't we he just passed,
But weren't we recently talking about the greatness of Hulk Cogan?
And I don't think it almost feels blasphemous from the
WWE perspective to have talked about the all time greatness
of Hulk Cogan and immediately start rehashing John Seena's greatness

(15:22):
on top of that, just because we're doing a retirement tour.
It feels in bad taste or at least one, if
not both statements then come off more disingenuous because of
the timing of both of them.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
And see, maybe a little shortsighted on my part.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I was just trying to keep it in his era
and point out that he wasn't even the greatest in
his era. Oh no, right, yeah, when you bring in Hogan,
when you bring in Flair, when you bring in Savage,
it becomes even.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
It becomes even more laughable to me.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Anyway, aj Styles has not sold the merchandise, but hard
to say from a working standpoint that his ability to
work I thought made up for his inability on the
mic and put him as a as a very close
contemporary to a John Cena For quite a while. And
if we're even looking right now at the guys that
are behind him, I don't know if you think that

(16:18):
seth Rawlins, Roman Reigns, see him Punk. You didn't even
bring up seam Punk. How far are they really behind
John Cena there?

Speaker 1 (16:30):
To be fair, probably a little further behind again the longevity.
Uh Sena didn't take his ball and go home for
five And now, look, I know he Quasi retired and
went to Hollywood, didn't really retire. But when the Rock
was going off, making Scorpion King and the Rundown and
Walking Tall and all that, John Cena was there every week, keeps.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Saying titles back to when I like the Rocks as
an actor, keep going.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Sorry, uh Jumanji, Oh no way, I went too far.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
It?

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, I just and again, look, while I'm very disenfranchised
with the booking of it, I don't want to turn
this into it let's crap all over John Cena fest.
I truly do not, So maybe we should move away
from that part. I just the way they have done this,
nobody in WWE.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Will want to hear this.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Go back on watch how Tony Khan did Sting's farewell
tour not that Tony Khan did anything that revolutionized the
sport with it, But you didn't have to. It's fucking sting.
Trot him out there every week and let him get
the win. That's all WWE has to do with John Cena.
And instead they've overbooked the ever loving crap out of

(17:43):
this and disenfranchise the fans and confused the hell out
of them.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Did it affect you in any sort of way when
John Cena made the announcement that his Saturday Night main
event episode, he will be the main event and the
rest of the card is gonna consist of NXT versus
WWE matchups like that shit doesn't randomly happen every other

(18:14):
SmackDown or Raw because of a tournament.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Anyway, It's almost like you don't want people to enjoy
the John Cena retirement to but again not to sound
like a broken record, the hee'l turn this, let's make
this the least interesting Saturday Night's main event ever.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
If you're watching it, you're only watching it for John Cena.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Hey, look, they'll probably get plenty of eyeballs on it
for that, but not.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Saying you had to load it up. But you didn't
have to.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Turn it into a damn episode of speed either. Is
that still a thing? By the way, It's not, is it?
But you get my point. I mean, I guess the
goal here is to get eyes on some NXT talent,
But I don't know if this is gonna work out
the way they think it's going to work out. I
think it's just going to turn into a very uninteresting
Saturday Night's main event.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
To be honest, I'm pretty sure that's where we're leading
towards Javon Evans. You guys have already introduced him a
couple of times. I would have almost rather have seen
Randy Orton AJ styles. Let's just have some more of
a I've seen as contemporaries on the card, even you know,

(19:26):
in other matches, just to be there, just so you
get an old school feeling almost. I understand what they're
trying to do. It just it doesn't come off well
when some of these names come in and off a
TV like you remember that Jordan Grace was a bigger
deal when she was the TNA Women's Champion working in

(19:48):
NXT than she is as an NXT talent.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep yep. I sure do.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Thank God for John Cena, if you Nixon Newell and
Miranda I mean I have to say her last name,
uh a, ls a, thank you because we're not for
ww's handling of Sina, we would have led with this.
AW brings you in, they give you a little promo.

(20:19):
They haven't signed you yet, but they're probably gonna. They
want you to go out and put over Tymello and
Anna J see how things go, and we'll go from there. Nah,
we don't want to do that. That'll make us look bad.
We'll just take our ball and go home. Well that's
where you're going, because where the fuck else are you going.

(20:39):
WWE's already said they didn't want you. I don't understand
this one at all, Micah, I I.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Truly do not.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
It makes little to no sense to me because Miranda Alas,
she's not newtering of honor, she's oh aw, she's around
the product. They tell you to do three minutes, go
do three minutes. I've seen quite a few wrestlers speaking
out my two minutes has got me. This got me that.

(21:10):
I'm happy. Leila Gray was like, I wish I was
backstage that night so I could have offered to beIN
in that tag match to get those two minutes. There's
been speculating because it was only three minutes that they
didn't want to do it. You watch the match, it
was quite quick with Tymello and Anna Jay, but as
other people planted out on Lane, Megan Bain, Sky Blue.

(21:32):
We can go down the list of talents that debuted
in the losing side and have put in the work
to come back. Around to Keshka Boston's debut.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yes, but before they before they signed him, they brought
him in say look again, and having them lose is
not indicative on them. It's kind of the way Tony
Kahn does things, like it or not. But here's the
other thing. At the end of the day, this isn't
a competitive sport. Wins and losses really don't matter.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
I get it. You don't want to go out and
lose in three minutes. I feel you.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
But you know their excuse was in one of their
social media rans. So this wouldn't have done anybody any good.
The fuck you wouldn't have. It would have done Mellow
and Anda J a lot of good, and it did.
In the match they wound up having against two different opponents.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
I needed that reminder that they're a real tag team
going into the tournament, right, and why they have a
possibility to win, which I don't think most of us
them are going to win their first round matchup. That's besides,
it's the point they needed to be put over, they
needed to look fearsome. That was a reminder to the audience.
And it's an idiotic thought that that did nothing for anyone.
It just wasn't what you imagined was happening. Because you

(22:50):
came in as a already ready tag team. I guess
you thought that possibly gave them a deeper foothold into this.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
I mean, the fact that they waited to announce the
brackets before they put you on TV should have given
you a bit of a Again, not crapping on them either,
but now's not your time. Does it mean two months,
three months, six months down the line, a year down
the line, it wouldn't be your time. But now's not

(23:19):
your time at the end of the day. And look,
I guess if we really wanted to, we could all
apply this to aspects of our life. But in the
world of pro wrestling, maybe don't always take yourself too seriously.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Word of wisdom from the Carlisle. You don't get those
all the time. You got it, soak them in people,
you get the wisdom, you take it. It should be
there and you fulfill it. I mean, like, is it
really wise to piss off Megan Maine? Right, we're talking
about women's science. Just figure we go over to the

(23:57):
women's blood and guts. Is uh? I think that's what
it's upon us this evening.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
It is it is it is, Yeah, fuck it, we'll
jump in there at Dynamite blooding Guts from Greensboro.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
By the way, adjust your DVRs if need be. H
it is a two and a.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Half hour show plus your overrun, so adjust accordingly.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
I have my ae w's now set up for the maximum.
It has like it records for five hours, basically because
I never know what Tony's gonna do. What night, we're
gonna get a three hour, a four hour, a three
and a half hour, and if it's a.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Third, right, and if it's a collision dynamite back to back,
it doesn't you know, in collision on a different channel,
at least with mine, it doesn't automatically record collision. So yeah,
you set it up like that, make sure you get everything.
But yeah, blooding guts. I don't have a problem with
blood and guts matches, gore or any of that.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I just.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Aw really needs to be careful with these because with
as much as we see the hardcore style, the blood
and guts not necessarily blooding guts matches. But you get
my point, all the shit Darby and Moxley do and
all that, it gets harder and harder to top and
the fans become a bit dissensitized to it.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
After this, I'd like to see a little bit.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Of a backing up, a little pumping of the brakes,
a little bit on some of the outrageous stuff, just
so when you go back to it it does seem
special again. But yes, the men's blood and guts match
Death Riders versus Orange, Cassidy, Darby, Allen, Mark Briscoe, Roddy
Strong and Kyle O'Reilly. Does this mean Darby is conglomerate adjacent?

(25:51):
The conglomerate adjacent? I think they gave him a a
vsat a visit.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
It's a visa to visit the conglomeration. I like that.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
I would say, piggybacking what you said, though a moment ago,
I wish they weren't doing this on TV. I understand
the necessity to give something special and how they like
to do different events and thematic events on TNT and TBS.
I wish this was a pay per view. I wish
that instead of Full Gear, we just had Blood and

(26:22):
Guts as a pay per view. You already get anarchy
in the arena. I would just want to see it
shifted that way. Not to mention when we bring up
that men's match, I wish we weren't getting this match.
I wish it was the conglomeration versus the Callous Family.
There was a very easy angle to go with Mark

(26:43):
Brisco Fletcher battling still over control and you bring in
the two factions because also from where you say they
overdo it on the Blood and Guts, I think you
could have put Darby on the sideline from this match,
pulled away from the death Rider kind of feel because
this is on TV, added in ECEE in the Kallous family,

(27:05):
and then we actually take a step away because how
many times can we have this end all be all
blown more with the Death Riders, and it feels like
they get less and less significance or consequential the more
they're in these multi man matches, and I feel like
we've had them been blooding Guts and Chey and Nrina
a repetitive amount of times.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
I can only assume Micah and maybe next week all
the vitriol I had for how WWE's done Senior's retirement tour,
I'll open up the show talking about what Aw's done.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
With the Death Riders.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I can only assume something significant is happening here. Either
the Death Riders are winning and they're leaving everybody laid
out and they're standing tall, tougher than ever, or this
is the end of Moxley in the Death Riders or
the Death Writers as a whole.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
I think it's got to be something signif get like
that here.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
We need something to matter, consequential, something big. We have
exhausted the possibility, you know what I mean talking about
Danielson hopping back in. We need to see something we've
alluded to. Does Gabe Kid possibly play a factor. It's
been a couple of weeks since we've seen him. Has
he taken a back seat to being used by Tony

(28:22):
Kahn because of the return of Pack from injury, Mark Briscoe, Darby,
Allen Orange Cassidy. Maybe something finally comes to a head
with roder Strong. I don't know if he joins the
Death Riders, but maybe they win and he actually hugs

(28:43):
Orange Cassidy. Does he become fully engulfed in the conglomeration.
I don't know. I'm trying to think of something that
we haven't talked about yet, but you are right, it
feels like something does have to come to a head
in this moment. And very interesting that due to the
Penelope Forward injury, we have fully pulling uh Maria fully pulling. Yeah,

(29:12):
Marina Shaffir out of the death Writer angle. You still
see her around them, You still see Moxley popping around,
but she was nowhere in the fracas.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
I wonder if we were going to get her and
Willow in this match had it not been for that.
Maybe maybe not, especially since they were going to do
a women's bloody guts match.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Anyway, maybe you wouldn't have.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
But I kind of wondered if we were going to
get Willow and Marina Shaffir in this had it not
been for that.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
No, that's a very good point. They were already in
bloody Are they already in the anarchy? Yeah? Do we
bring that back around and have them involved here they
are both Conglomeration Death Writer involved, but technically Mina Shirakawa
is the one replacing Queen Almanada, So who knows how

(30:05):
this was truly first envision to play out. I did
find it weird that you're going to go into a
deciding match for who has in the advantage and Mina
Shirakawa wasn't a part of the group five minutes ago. Yeah,
you go take care of Megabain. Yeah, not good management
by the team.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, I'm not anti women's blood and guts match. This
one just feels kind of thrown to me. It feels
thrown together. You got Mercedes Moone, Meghan Bain, Marina Shafir,
the triangle of madness versus Statlander, Shirakawa, Jamie Hayter, Harley,
Cameron Willow, and Tony Storm.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
There's some connective tissue to arguments and whatnot in there,
but there are elements that do feel thrown together. I
was happy to see that the way we were wrong
with the Athena Mercedes losing how it played out, it
didn't make a lot of sense. At least they're not
mad at each other. And I'm more intrigued what happens

(31:00):
with Statlander. Do we still get some kind of change
on her the promo that she cut about Mercedes not
being focused, and then no matter when she's focused, she
won't be ready and she won't see it coming. Right.
There's a lot of depth of intrigue now that for
me is at least being billed and who Chris Statlander

(31:21):
is all of a sudden her and Willow or Cope aesthetic. Again,
I don't know if I believe all this. Something feels
like it has to give, but I do at least
feel that the women blooding guts takes a little bit
more sense than the ladies' war games.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, well we'll get to that in a little while
as well.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
I just.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yes, they're connective tissues in this match, the match itself,
just I don't I would rather see about two or
three different standalone matches involving these ladies as opposed to
throwing them all together just for the sake of having
a women's blooding guts.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
If it would have just been five on five and
we don't have the penelt before an injury, at least
a extended triangle of madness with Bain and Ford that
was already in a line fixture, and then you figure
you had to throw together Willow with stat Land or
Harley Cameron. That's already been kind of a thing, and
they would have needed to bring in somebody, and we

(32:24):
said it could have been any of the other faces.
At least Jamie Hayter and Queen Almanada would have made
sense because they had had friction with the Triangle of Madness,
so you could have made this made more sense. I
think extending it to six was too much, and then
the injuries led to it getting a lot more convoluted
than it needed to be.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
If you're wondering why they added the extra half hour
for this week for Dynamite, For Dynamite, blood and Guts,
these two matches alone are going to have to take
up close to an hour, my guess will be somewhere
around forty five minutes. Ever, take no together, because there's

(33:06):
maybe even more than forty.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
There's a minute or two between real time, minute or
two between you're bringing people out, and that's gonna be
you have two people in the ring, you're getting ten entrances.
In the women's match, you're getting eight entrances. In the
men's match. I think we have an hour to an
hour and a half just between those two matches.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, you're probably really pushing an hour plus. You've got
Hangman Paige and Powerhouse Hobbs falls count anywhere. I got
no problems with false count anywhere. But you've already got
at the top of this show two spectacle matches.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
It's overkill.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Probably either hold this off for a week or just have.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
It be a regular match.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
I understand it benefits. Hobb's style probably made sure a
street fight, So yeah, hold it a week. I like
your thought they should have held it.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Also, the show's taking plays in Greensboro, why not honor
Rick Flair and Ricky Steamboat both will be on hand.
A lot of great matches between those two in the Carolinas,
certainly in Greensborough. It's always fun to see Rick Flair
because you never know what kind of condition he's going
to be in. And Ricky the Dragon's Steamboat another all

(34:21):
time great. It's cool that we're going to see them
as well.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
It's annoying in crowds. It's not appropriate most times. It's
appropriate right now?

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Who you think Rick Flair bleeds.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
If he's smiling, he's bleeding. He's kind of like Nate Diaz.
If you listen to MMA after Hours here on the
After Hours podcast network, you just can't help it. There's
so much scar tissue. If he's bleeding, it's just because
he's happy. No exactly, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Just meant something like, he throws his coat down, he
starts bouncing off the ropes, then he hits himself in
the forehead a couple of times, and all of a
sudden he's bleeding.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
He might even g steamboats Hana make him start hitting
him maybe, yeah, let's be open.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yeah, maybe I could absolutely see that.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
It's nice that AW every so often. They don't overdo it.
But I do like the way that they honor legends.
It's every so often. It's not an overkill. It's nice
to bring flair back in. I'm not sure if they
still have a veteran's contractor what with him, but it
is nice to think about a territory where you said it,
they really did leave their mark to see those two

(35:29):
legends get honored.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
As I understand it, he is still under some sort
of AW contract.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yeah, go figure, right, but.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yeah, so we'll see them as well. Plus who knows
what else gets added. I can't believe him say if
I don't see issue might be a little sad. And
I can't even believe I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
That they need to conglomorate. He needs to be like
at the top of the ramp each time someone's walking
down with the piano.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Time out, don't steal my thunder. You know how in
Anarchy and the Arena they keep playing music this whole
match that the men's blooding guts is shee should be
on the stage, at the top of the ramp, sitting
at them, at the computer, sitting at the piano, and

(36:20):
just playing piano music the whole time.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
So just like nice classical music.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Get ready to bleed with the lullabies of.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
We got to pump the brakes here, Micah, did you
really think, with all the social media chatter over the
weekend coming off of SmackDown, that we'd be thirty five
to forty minutes into the show and still haven't brought
up Charlotte Flair's nipple slip, her wardrobe malfunction, What happened?

Speaker 2 (36:53):
What happened? Really? No, no, no, sorry to me. It's
just kind of like she's just the latest.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Right, I don't even know. I'm surprised.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
There's quite a few there, Tiffy, We've had some Jade there.
There's been some exposure this year, and I'm just talking
about how much the women are on the internet. They're
on the internet for the wrong reason.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
With that exposure, I only could happen to Bailey.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
I'm sorry, did I trying to make a soup there?
It sounds like you said Bayleaf.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Oh no, I didn't realize I even said that out loud.
I feel ashamed and embarrassed. I apologize.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
You know what is weird, though, is when you lose
your last name. Do you think it like just falls off?
Does it disappear like, like where does it go when
you all of a sudden lose the last name.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Depends on who you're talking about specifically.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Oh well, Selena Vega was Vega. Now she's not even
Selena blas Alena Black. She's justa yeah. Not to mention
that Raymondsterio made a triumphant return to Rock a couple
weeks ago, but the LWO did not. You know why
the LWO is the worst faction in wrestling history cause

(38:15):
you just kind of throw it in and out of
the laundry, whatever you feel like it.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
I believe the Dark Order would like to have a
word with you, sir.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
You know what, they at least remember their members and
stay true to each other. Well they could, Oh god,
total sidebar. We're not even supposed to get back.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Did you my.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Chance stumble upon the Kingdom Daddy Magic promo for them
becoming a trio? Yeah, that might have been the funniest
that Daddy Magic. That was better than everything him and
Daniel Garcia ever did together. Now, yes, they lost right

(38:57):
away to Skyflight, and I'm not even trying to talk
about Ring of Honor, but being the Magic k was
about to be the funniest shit I have ever seen.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I mean, I guess, I guess it's not is she
playing at the piano.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
It's not all of a sudden becoming your husband's henchwoman
and losing your last name, losing your faction. Is there
a world where Alistair Black joins the vision for war Games?

Speaker 3 (39:33):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I think there's a better chances tougher and better wife
would join.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
But all right, sidebar, off the sidebar, off the sidebar.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
It's one thing if Buddy Murphy slash Matthews was back
in WWE and gets outshined by his wife because she's
a fucking badass. You're Alistair Black, and you wanted to
come back to WWE. You wanted to leave AEW so
you could play second fiddle to your wife that plays
second or third fiddle to every woman on the roster.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
She does kind of come out as the more dominant
one in the pairing, doesn't she the more eye catching
of the duo.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
I we really don't need to go down this path,
but I'm pretty sure storyline wise, Astro Black's basically a cook.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
But yes, he is.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
The lesser than she is the dominant one. He is
the submissive one.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Right, We're not used to seeing the five foot woman
be the muscle on the outside, and yet he needs
her to help him cheat. He needs her. There are
already a ripoff of a duo with an entrance to
people that got released unly, the word fired right where

(40:58):
we're no longer in need or whatever we want to
call it. They feel like a second rate act of
an act of a second rate And I just brought
up because all of a sudden, Alistair was attached to
Cody and you have Damian priest, and I'm guessing War
Games isn't just gonna be three on three? Is it?

(41:20):
Cody j and Punk against Bron Braun and Paul fells Beard.
He really should change his name to Bronson Paul fit
into the vision.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
The women's match is four on four. I assume the
men's match will also be four on four, although it
could be five on five.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Ye I couldn't be less excited for last Legend being
in war Games if I it's not say if I
didn't know who she was, but shit, I don't know
who she is.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
May I ask a simple questions, what's the name of
the pay per view that this is taking place at?

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Survivor series, war Games, Wargames, Survivors.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Series, Survivor Series.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Why not have these teams compete in Oh, I don't
know a Survivor Series.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Match, because Tony Kah did Blooding Guts and we own
the name wargames, so we're doing war games.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
But your pay per view is Survivor Series, which, by
the way, you also own is the Survivor series.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Now look, I'm pretty sure they.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Did the exact same thing last year, because I'm pretty
sure I called it out last year as well. But
just rename the fucking pay per view. If you're not
gonna have Survivor Series matches.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
On it, well, you know what I would do, honestly,
if I got to book the pay per view. Okay,
we got war games set up, and now I would
We're used to five matches on a pay per view, Well,
now we have bigger matches, we'll just do four. I
would have done this. These two men's and women's war
games and men's and Women's Survivor Series one other five
on five or four on four match. They're of the

(43:10):
traditional Survivor Series variety, and you're booking a ton of people.
You could have easily put the MFTs versus well, because
the congomration has already taken I guess we'll call the
MotorCity machine Guns Sammy Zay Nakamura and Ray Phoenix the
other guys. You could have easily done that as a
Survivors Series match for what's building and SmackDown, and then

(43:33):
you could have just thrown the rest of the women
in a Survivor Series match, because you know who cares
about them where they're booking. I wasn't even that like
move by bella attacking Stephanie Vancore because it just felt
like really random that they were friends.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
So the Women's War Games, Rea Ripley, you know, Sky,
Charlotte Flair, Alexa Bliss take on the brand new women's
tag team champions, the Kobuki Warriors, Lash Legend and Naya Jacks.
You know, Nya Jacks is hurting somebody in this match,

(44:10):
You know most.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Of our eyes just by being in it. But no,
that's not nice. But something just wasn't nice. That wasn't
nice either. This does nothing for US wargames. A battle
to end all battles a feud because it's a feud,
the end all be all. I don't understand why Cody's

(44:34):
stuck in his nose and the Jay usso CM punk
business movie can circle back around to that Lash Legends
showed up three minutes ago, Naya Jacks returned two weeks
ago and keeps losing. I didn't know that we needed
an end all be all war. Rea Ripley and Itto
Sky might want a street fight with the Koubuki Warriors,

(44:56):
but I didn't know they were all such great friends
to just force me us war games for no reason.
It felt really weird in forts but Hey, it was
a throw to give a storyline because we got to
do men's and women's war games.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
You know, I said earlier that to me, it felt
like the aw blooding Guts Women's match was kind of
thrown together. That's like a damn eight month story arc
compared to this one.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
This completely seems thrown together.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Oh my gosh, we got to have a women's war
games match at Survivor series two.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Hmm, all right, you you, you.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
And you and You'll take on you you you, oh
and you Boom, there we go.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
It's booked.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
So did lash Legend get called up from NXT or
has Nya Jacks been demoted to tag with someone in NXT?
I'm not sure because I thought lash Legend already debuted
on the main roster like six months ago with some

(46:00):
girl in a tag team. And heck, I don't even
think she works there anymore.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
That other girl, Yeah, I'm pretty sure she's made roster now.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Yeah, I don't get this.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
I also I got questions about the Mint Survivor series
as well. So it's Team Punk versus Team Vision, all right,
why does Cody Rhads need to be on Team Punk?
And if Cody Roads is involved. Why isn't it Team Rhads?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Why the frick was Cody Roads backstage at raw I
know they showed him all of a sudden, John Cena
is there, big surprise, But isn't he the Smiths SmackDown
champion like the unofficial as a belt?

Speaker 3 (46:42):
But I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
I don't know. It's because if you take the two fingers,
the thumb and that first finger, and then you take
your ring finger and your pinky finger, and you put
them down, and you look what's left up if you
had all five fingers up, that's what they gave to
l A. Knight.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
I mean, I guess, I guess.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
I mean it feels like for a while we had
seth Rawlins, Jay Whoso, CM Punk and l A. Knight
as the four guys at the top of the car,
and all of a sudden, your third guy at the
top there for the faces is no longer La Nights.

(47:32):
It's it's Cody Rhodes for Monday Night. There's no problem
with Cody Rroads, except for he operates on SmackDown. I uh,
where do we go? And do we get to four?
Do we go?

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Five?

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Who? Were they gonna be. I've got four names actually
that I could already slot in there.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
All right, I'm listening.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Well, if there's Jays, there could be a Jimmy at
any point, true oose, Oh, Damian Priest is just around.
And if we're not caring about brands, he's a face
and he's a possibility La and night if you want
to use him. I don't think he's doing a damn thing.

(48:17):
And if you really want to create the Megapowers, my
last one would be, is Roman Reigns filming something right now?
Or is he just at home not working for WW
He was.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
There a couple of weeks ago, just to because you
asked a question. It looks like both the men's and
women's are going to be five on five. It looks
like both the women's teams will be adding a partner,
and each of the men's teams are still looking for
two more. So right now we've got Punk, Cody and
USO plus two to be determined versus Breaker Bronson, Reied,

(48:53):
Logan Paul and to be determined.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Okay, So on the women's side could easily throw Becky
Lynch on one side, Maxine on the other side, you
could add in Jade Cargo and then just throw in
anyone Lyra, Valkyria, Baby Bailey. I don't know if there's
any more connective tissue really that that would make sense
for all of this or make less sense for any

(49:19):
of this on the women's side. On the men's side, though,
do you like any one of those foreign names or
do you feel two of those four names could be
possible to add to the Cody Punk USO faction.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
If Jimmy Usso is not one of the two people
named to Team Punk, he's gonna wind up with Paul Hayman,
because how do you take that if your damn brother
can't get you on the team. Right, And let me
be clear, I'm not advocating, oh, they should turn Jimmy

(49:57):
heal and have him align with Hayman and in.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
The Bronze, but I think that's what happens. He almost
has to be.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
But I also think he's seen as less than and
that weakens that team.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
I feel like La Knight Jimmy Usso becomes the last
two people. We're gonna complain enough, They're gonna utilize La Knight,
and maybe La Knight turns heel in the cage. That's
where if we look on the other side, if you
will with me, if your vision allows with Paul with
Bron Braun. I don't know if Stroman leaves the TV

(50:34):
show that he has on USA that comes on after SmackDown,
where he eats as much as he weighs, but he
would fit in Hayman's vision because obviously you have to
be a guy named Braun, So Braun Stroman returning to WWE,
I think is possible. I'm fucking with you, guys. That
one is not about stability. It's not happening. But the

(50:57):
whole Broun thing breaks my brain. I feel like Russev
and Alistair Black would be the two heels that are
active on the roster right now that I might look towards,
unless we ended up with like maybe a tag team
the New Day. I did originally hear that there was
talk when Seth Rollins was expected to be healthy that

(51:19):
Austin Theory was penciled in to join the Vision. I
don't know if he's still in the company, that's the possibility.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
I think you can take it to the bank. One
of those two is going to be not a Bron
but a brock and not brock Anderson brock Lessner, who,
by the way, since destroying John Cena on his retirement tour,
has hardly been heard from. You gotta put him somewhere.

(51:49):
I mean, you brought him back. You got to use him.
That makes too much sense.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
And then I'm not sure what you do with the
other one. So I think he's one as far as
the other one.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Uh well, look, Cody roads Drew McIntyre can't die. And
you know before there was Cody for Drew that there
was Punk, So maybe McIntyre finds his way on that
team as well.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
That's how long he's busy on set four with the
movie that they suspended him on. Uh oh, yeah, guys,
he's yeah, he suspended. If that, if Paul Hayman maybe
pulls some strings and brings them back, you get Brocken
Drew with Logan, and that feels like a whole lot
of meat head on one team.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
It does, But I could see that the storyline play
out that Paul Hayman works some magic and gets the
suspension lifted and Drew owes him so he becomes Vision adjacent,
which is not nearly as cool as conglomeration adjacent but still.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yes, uh so Logan has his design on CM Punk.
You already said it. Cody is now there with Drew
Brock is back to eat people. Yeah, it makes a
lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
I also feel like we're gonna get Roman on the
me In's side, but probably Roman and Jimmy would.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Be my guess.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
I don't know how you keep l a night out
who I think you brought up a minute ago, unless
Jimmy's the odd man out.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
And if Jimmy's the odd man.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Out, I see Paul Hayman reaching out and uh welcome
Jimmy usso home?

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Who cares about that? You just told me that they're
gonna put yeat Cody, won't I see him, Punk won't
stop whining and Roman on one team the star power
alone with the Internet's favorite Darling and Logan, Paul and
Rock Lesner on another side. The legitimate star power in

(54:03):
that cage cannot contain all that ego. That's a lot
of star power and a lot of people in there
for a half fast story to come together for a
war that's not gonna matter, and all it kind of
feels like is even without a title belt, Roman reigns
just for cm Punk and Cody Rhoades to join the

(54:24):
blood line. Oh wait, Cempunk already did that last year,
so Cody would be joining now the blood line. The
blood line always wins, baby, I guess, I guess. Oh wait,
Cody already joined the blood line. He bowed the knee,
he tagged Roman. Their homies don't know. This all comes together.

(54:46):
It's just the bloodline versus the vision at Survivor series
war games. It makes perfect sense.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Well, it ain't gonna play out quite like that. I
get where you're going. It really doesn't make that much sense.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
But yeah, I mean that's.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Sense and family, it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Well, you add Roman, you add Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I mean you're not wrong. Yeah, and you're not wrong
saying that. Paul Hayman just reaching out to Brock Listener
before that is the the Hayman alliance. That's a dangerous
alliance right there. And then Drew McIntyre is a psycho
pass obsessed with all five of the guys on the

(55:28):
other side. Once you mentioned that they're the bloodline that
kept screwing him out of the world title, and then
Seampunk screwed him out the world title and then Cody
Road screwed him out of the world title. It makes
a lot of sense in that trajectory. Why the the
Vision ads ads Drew McIntyre.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Here's the thing, though, the Vision really needs to win.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
You're probably not wrong, You're you're not wrong about.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
So you probably need Yeah, you probably you need either
l A Night or Jimmy you So.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
To take the loss on Team Punk.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah. Yeah, that's their lot in life. Now.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Obviously, if you add McIntyre to the Vision team, the Vision,
you know who's taking the pinfall for that team, and
then maybe bron Breaker goes crazy and beats the hell
out of him and then he turns good.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
There's there's that.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
I guess I don't know, but yeah, that's your two
announced matches, your two war games matches for Survivor series.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
So wait, hold on, I'm gonna backtrack you real quick
to blooding Guts. Yeah. We both feel I think we
both feel the Death Riders need something. Yes, does it
matter who takes the l from the Conglomeration because I
feel like maybe Mark Briscoe, with where we want to

(56:54):
lead towards Kyle Fletcher is the only guy that shouldn't
take the L the other four members. It's wide open.
Where if you think the Death Riders is gonna lose
Wheeler in Garcia, that's their lot in lives.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
That doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
If the Death Riders are losing, it has to be Moxley,
because the Death Riders are done if they lose, I
mean figuratively speaking, so it may as well be him.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
I don't see Darby losing. I don't see Cassidy losing.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
So Roddy Strong, Kyle O'Reilly, rock paper scissors and figure
it out?

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Does that become the ultimate betrayal? Roddy just doesn't believe
in them enough and then he gives up because he
was never fully invested in the Conglomerate, because he never
let himself trust.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Well, you'll need a new ross for the group.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
But I mean, yeah, okay, Death Riders winning and Roddy
Strong turning on the Conglomeration? Does that really breathe that
in and of itself? Does it breathe new life into
the Death Riders? I think you still need something spectacular.
And if you're talking about a member of the Conglomeration turning,

(58:17):
I think at that point all bets are off on
who takes the pinfall because the act of ultimate betrayal.
That could explain why and Mark Brisco loses, or a
Darby or an Orange Cassidy.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Roddy turns and hits that big jump knee you ride
in Kyle's face, and then that leads to Kyle falling
into a Moxley bulldog choke. I'm not sure what the
oh shit moment is, but at least that would be
a knife in the heart. The only one that loved him,
the one that brought him into the conglomerate, stabs that
one right in the back.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Do we know how Adam Cole's doing, babe?

Speaker 2 (58:59):
He is been laying low. I literally just the other
day saw a real of him again talking to Evil Uno. Yeah,
and I didn't backtrack to see the date that it
was published because I didn't even know if he was
doing the video game podcast anymore.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
At this point, I'm pretty sure they are now. Maybe
that had a whole bunch of the can or something.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
I'm not in the video game, so I don't watch it,
but I'm pretty sure they're still doing it.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Yeah, I mean, I wanted to rehash the Devil No.
I was thinking more of Kyle O'Reilly will need a
friend at that point.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
And even if Cole can't wrestle or doesn't want to wrestle,
he could be he could be the sting to Kyle
O'Reilly's Darby Allen, if you will.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Something like that. But yeah, I don't, I don't. Yeah, no, no,
I was. I was just although.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Adam cale into the conglomeration intro with him playing video
games somewhere. They're on the floor like a game boy
in his hand.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Is she stop playing that piano? It's given me a headache? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Does it matter who gives up, who takes the fall,
doesn't matter who wins or loses the women's blood and guts.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Probably not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
If I were a betting man, I'm gonna go with
the Faces winning just because I've got the Death Riders
winning later. So we're gonna keep this fifty to fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
I don't think the Death Riders are winning, man, but
I do think maybe I think they should. I'm not
in favor of disbanding the Death Riders, but they can't
take an l and expect to be taken seriously. At
that point in time, they are officially eclipsed by the
ever growing Don Kallis Family.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
As far as my biggest best faction.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Is John Moxley a death Rider.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
Next week, I'm gonna say no, Oh my gosh, I
don't you know what can can Can they win and
and still him not have the heart to have pulled
the trigger and something?

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
I wonder what plays out? Something plays out. I'm hoping.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
I could see I hate to keep using this analogy.
I could see Moxley becoming Darby's new sting.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I'm wondering if there could be something where maybe Roddy
Strong turns and it's because Danielson instructs him to, so
you get another member to the groups that they have
as many numbers, But we still unveil Danielson is that
ultimate kind of leader. This was something that the rest

(01:02:12):
of the group knew about, but Moxley was in the dark.
And Moxley has taken out and like the maybe next
time we see Moxley, Darby has given him his passion
for wrestling back.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Yeah, Moxley's gone for at least three months, takes time off,
comes back.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
He's gone long enough that it's a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Total surprise when he shows back up. But again, I
think Danielson has to be involved, and I don't know
that that's something AW wants to do. Well, they should,
let's do it, Yeah they should, but I don't know
that they do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
We'll see. And I'm still lingering on this other one
where I kind of just feel like we're gonna get
the celebration moment that that Tony Nina Jamie Hayter, that
the Face group gets the victory, because I don't know
what's the consequences, what's the end game. How does it

(01:03:12):
benefit for the the Heel faction to win? And I
don't know if we necessarily get any kind of change
or anything there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Does it cheapen Mercedes if she loses everything every multiperson
match she's in, whether it's a tag team or a
Blood and Guts.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
You need to keep her away somehow in the match
from Statlander so that we still have something to look
forward to at full gear. Maybe we have more Statlander
Megan Bain here, Mercedes versus Willow, keep them somehow away
from each other. But maybe I'm totally wrong. Maybe the
Heels do win this one and Veres and Company look

(01:04:01):
ultimately strong going into a tournament where I wouldn't be
surprised if Mina and Tony Storm come out of victorious,
Chris Statlander retains her women's world title. Maybe this is
the catalyst to give us the impression that we're going
to see a lot out of the Heels, and then
it never comes to fruition, so that on that other side,

(01:04:23):
I guess we are going with John Moxley tapping early
and the death Riders taking him out because he just
doesn't have the killer and instinct anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Do you think we might be the only two people
who want to see Moxley out of the Death Riders.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
It just feels like an interesting fork in the road
creatively of which way we go, because there is an
en pass if they lose again under his tutelage. I agree,
can they do it? How much? Can they keep falling?
That's where I keep thinking these two matches are aligned.
I don't think we're getting a clean sweep Heels and

(01:05:03):
Heels or Face and Face. I think we're really close
to one or the other, and there will be a
somewhat of effect, you know what I mean, One's gonna
affect the other. There will be a domino in play.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
I think Team Monett wins.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
The Team, Monet Team conglomeration. I think that's how we're going.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
I hope so, but we'll see, We'll see, I'll say it.
What else.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Did we add any new members to the don Kallis
family this past week? Or are we still hovering at
twenty seven? And I'm kidding I just made up twenty
seven randomly?

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
But what's new? Or what else are we talking about?
Not the Callos family, not the twenty seven members that
it took twenty have a members of a different conglomeration
to take down FTR, A slight notch, bro Dido, Jet Speedo,
and gravity O all got together to help the Bang

(01:06:14):
Bang Gango get the widow?

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Oh the Bang Bang Gang? What could have been? If
j White can only stay healthy?

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Oh for reals, but Ace Austin can work.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
But much like if only Adam Cole could stay healthy?
Right again, you you can't blame them.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
I mean it's not their fault, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
But FTR is still winning those tag team titles, that
full gear.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Oh, they're winning those titles so hard it ain't even funny.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
It ain't even funny.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
What is stoke? We're gonna have up his head to
take care of gravity on the night. I can only
I can only imagine what they're gonna pull out of
the sleeve this time, Hose Oates and hose Man. I'll
be Ford, still injured, still working. If she could do it,
you could do it, Adam Cool whoa listen, list I

(01:07:12):
hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Let's be fair a little bit different injuries. But yeah,
I joke, I joke.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
I know, I know, I know, I know, but I
don't want to. Yeah, I know, I know, but.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Yeah, the FTR is going to win those tag titles
and uh Stokely Athaway's finally going to get some hose.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
It's gonna be glorious for him.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
We wanted another face to step up. Bandido is ready
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
It one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Micah, tell everybody how they can keep up with you. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Well you want to talk about pro wrestling, I do
that on x at frankl Micah, And we might have
some stuff on my live stream coming up across the
cage mines social media on our My Fight show. We
might have some pro wrestling talk coming up on there
from time to time. So I'll let you guys know
more on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
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You can find me at real Mike Carlisle. We will
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