Mental Man Monday: Jonathan Majors, Humiliation Rituals, and the Death of Kyren Lacy

This week’s Mental Man Monday features a raw and honest conversation between Izzy Baker and special guest Derek Alexander Scott, also known as DScott (@dscott._). Together, they unpack the intersection of manhood, media, cancel culture, and mental health.

The episode opens with a recap of PSA: The Mental Health Podcast’s Season 9 premiere, As a Man, You’re Not Him (Yet). DScott shares how that episode hit deep, especially the parts about commitment issues, emotional stagnation, and men being stuck in cycles they never address. He reveals that he had to run it back twice and talks about how these topics come up constantly in his real-life circle. From there, the conversation shifts to the recent Jonathan Majors interview on Cam Newton’s Funky Friday podcast.

Izzy raises difficult questions. Was what Majors went through a humiliation ritual? Would the public reaction have been different if his accuser wasn’t white? Can a man who’s fallen still be trusted to lead? In the final segment, the episode takes on an even heavier tone with the story of Kyren Lacy, the LSU football player who tragically took his own life the night before his court date for a fatal hit-and-run.

Izzy and DScott dive into the emotional weight of guilt, the silence so many young men live with, and the spiritual truth that healing requires more than just therapy. Sometimes, it requires God. This livestream isn’t just conversation. It’s a mental health check-in. It’s a faith-based reflection on what men are going through when no one’s watching. And it’s a call for more real conversations like this—where accountability, healing, and hope meet.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:31):
What is going on?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
We are back for another Mental Man Monday live stream
and back after the season premiere of season nine. Can
I Believe in nine seasons? I said that on the episode.
I said that throughout these recordings because as I told y'all,
I have dummy episodes on file, so it's really just

(00:52):
wait on just kind of pushing them out as we go.
But like I told you, that episode was recorded the
day before, so we dropped on Thursday. We recorded Wednesday,
and I didn't say it in the episode, but I'm
being honest now, out of all my premieres, that was
my least favorite. One didn't have no haircut at the time.
I got it literally the day of. I'm usually in

(01:15):
the studio downtown, wasn't able to do that. So when
I do go downtown, I'm telling you now that video,
if I don't go viral, I'm gonna quit. I'm gonna
pull the same thing. And Kanye West said in like
eight when he was like, if I don't sell a
million records, I'm quitting rapping, Like that's how I feel.
I'm gonna quit podcasting if that them clips don't go

(01:37):
viral because the topic I have and the stuff that
I'm gonna say, it just gotta happen. So unless you
want me to quit, and I am a man of
my word, you better you better make go viral telling
you now.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
All right, y'all, So I have a guest today.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I actually planning on getting on here for probably like
twenty minutes, and I was just gonna give my hot
tape and I was gonna get right back off.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
But because somebody sent me something today.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
And I was like, well, I actually was gonna talk
about this today, but since you sent it to me
and we had already said before, like I was like,
he need to jump on this guy. Me and him
a few years ago, now I was it was in
the twenty one, I believe, actually at the airport, and
then met him at the airport and then we got
cool on social media, realized were both cool with somebody,
were both mutually cool with somebody that you know. And

(02:29):
then the dude found out I knew each other. How
y'all know each other. I'm like, yeah, but I actually
ain't talk to him a minute and he takes phoeno actually,
but Let'm going to introduce my guests because he has
a lot to say today.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
My God, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (02:43):
What's going on? Bro? Thank you for having me, Thanks
for having me? Man? How you doing?

Speaker 1 (02:47):
I am good?

Speaker 2 (02:48):
It is currently I'm in Houston, so it's like eighty
degrees right now, but you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
We ain't there yet, were like, we just we just
broke sixty. So it's cool. It's okay. Jackie Weather and
you in Baltimore, right, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
And these some girls I was just here, they're live
in Baltimore, and they was like, they're not ready to
go back to their weather.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
At first, I wasn't, you know. I just got back
from the across the pond and the weather was beautiful
out there. So I came here as a rude awakening.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
All right.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
So obviously my YouTube people can see you can't tell
people what's your name or where you're from.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
And then we already said where you live, just say
it again anywhere.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, I'm Derek, Derek Alexander. I also go by d
Scott d. I'm from Baltimore, Maryland. Uh So yeah, as
as he said, you know, he met me, met me
at the airport, So I bartend at the airport. If
you're ever coming through b w I come holler at
me down at the down at a bar. But I
do that part time, so if you're there on the weekend,

(03:50):
you know, you'll stop by and you'll catch me. But
aside from that, I just have a lot of other endeavors.
But you know, really just trying to get my you know,
just get my foot out here, man. Just you know,
one thing I like about bartending is that you can really,
you know, make people feel good about yourself. So ultimately,
anything I'm doing, that's really what I'm trying to do.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
All right, good stuff, good stuff. So let's go ahead
and just jump right into it today. So, like I said,
since we was on the three month hiatus with the podcast,
and obviously we're back now, but we when in season,
you know, we always start off the livestream recapping the
most recent episodes.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
So the most.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Recent episode was titled which was the track one of
the As a Man Series Volume two, and it was
titled as a Man You're Not him Yet. So before
I asked for your hot takes, I have to give
a little bit bts. So that was the out of
the whole series that has been actually have one more

(04:52):
episode to record for the series.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
But that was one of the ones. I didn't know
where to go with it.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I'm like, I had all these episodes were and I'm like, okay,
I need to find a way to start it off.
So I use my uh my creative my executive assistant
chat GPT to kind of play around with it as
I was trying to figure out what which topics to
put on, what which ones that was actually made the

(05:18):
final cut, Like I told you think I'm a rapper
for real? Which ones made the final cut? Which ones didn't?
And I didn't have a starter. I'm like, dang, I
don't have no start like episode. So it was just like,
based on what you're doing and where you're going, you
should try to do something like talking about as a man,
you know, and it kind of you know, you do
use it enough, it kind of figured you out and
play you know what you like.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
And so it was like.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Talking about you, not him yet, And I was like,
and I hate the phrase him. I hate that, like
when dudes be like I'm him, Like bro, I just
be like, shoot, fly, don't bother me.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
I hate that phrase.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
But ultimately I get the message behind, like you want
to be that, you know.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
We on live track said here that nigga, you want
to be that guy? You know you?

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I get it, so, but it's just that phrase is annoying.
And then when I think of him the first time
I heard it, like I said in the episode, several times,
I think of him from the pop Up Girls, and
I don't think you want to be.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Compared to that.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I don't know, you know, not saying you, I'm just
saying people in general. Somebody might. So my first question
is what was your take on the episode? Did you
finish it? What's up?

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah? I finished it. I actually I actually ran through
it twice because I enjoyed it so much. Is it just? Yeah?
I was telling I was telling one of my guys
when I was talking to him on the phone earlier,
and I was like, it's just so crazy how everything
that was being spoke upon is something that we always

(06:46):
tend to touch on. It's a recurrent theme in our conversations.
In my my group chat, we got a group chat
that's called sophistic Bros. And it's a couple of so
I mean, the conversation that I have with those guys,
just even on an individual basis, like a lot of
that just kind of covered a lot of the things
that we talk about, so that like I just enjoyed
how I was able to just relate to, like the

(07:08):
topics that were being touched upon.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Okay, I like that because that's the goal.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
And that's honestly I never believed because you, I think
you found outbout my podcast. So that was twenty twenty one,
twenty two. So that was the beginning of my soft
rebrand with season six. But the thing was either either
that was right before yeah I think it was right
before it started, or did was rightful starting. But anyway,
even going back to that, like I said, going back
into this season, I had to get back into not

(07:38):
that I lost being relatable, but I had to really
bring that back because to this day, episodes from my
first few seasons before I got the experts, before I
got the creator, like these super popular people, my guess
was my friends, so which I wanted to get back
into incorporating and you're gonna see that lot this season.
You're gonna still see the experts, but it's going back

(07:58):
to those be these type of conversations on an episode.
Granted the live streams are still needed too, but though
these types of just interviews and just saying, hey, what
you're doing, what you're doing next Friday.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
You want to get on the podcast, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Like going back to that, because to this day them
episodes on in these episodes, most of them back in
the day audio only, and I'm them holes still getting pushed,
like still getting streamed daily, you know what I'm saying
in some cases, and it's like that episode recorded four
or five years ago when I was doing the throwback
or you know, getting ready for this season, I was
doing a.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Highlight old episodes.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
I was highlight episodes some season five, literally twenty some
pounds ago in this exact spot with my homeboy, and
then we had a look my Homeboy editor at the time,
used to record in person. Then we had that set up,
we recorded in my house talking about stuff that still
you know, it's today. So that's why I tell people,
if you want to get into content, unless you trying

(08:54):
to be the next Charlemagne, unless you're trying to be
the next Joe Button, create evergreen stuff that they can
talk about in years to come. And like I said,
with this, we can tire fifty tomorrow. The stuff we
was talking about in most cases still gonna be relatable
to the next generation of me. Okay, so then now
I'm gonna just try to get message. So what was

(09:16):
your take on the reference to what I said me?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
And with this is what I see that you're Him,
Like you're this that character.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
So let me preface it with this. I think I
think I'm hardly on on Twitter X whatever y'all want
to call it. I think my name on there is
still Hemmy Buffett. But that's just because I felt like
I was like, I haven't seen that one yet. It
was when Him was kind of new. I haven't seen
that one yet. I feel like that's clever, But I'm not.
I'm not one that really want to sit there and

(09:48):
poke my test out and say, I mean, that's just
me personally. Now. If that's what others choose to do,
then so be it. But the way I see that
is you if you're continuously saying in that there's like
a difference between speaking something into an existence or kind
of speaking false confidence. And that's kind of how I
see that. Honestly, you constantly tell people I'm Him? Are

(10:14):
you really him?

Speaker 1 (10:14):
You know?

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Are like because there's something there's a phrase that I
use for a lot of things, but it's what's understood
doesn't need to be explained. So that's really how I
feel about people, kind of just like you know, walking
around and saying like, oh, I'm him. If you him,
I'm going I'm gonna be able to I'm going to
see that. And one thing you did mention was like,

(10:36):
you know, Lebron James said it. I haven't really seen
him say that too often, you know what I mean.
That's because for the most part, you know, we it's
the workspiece for itself, right, leading by example, So that
that's kind of how I feel about it, Like it
doesn't really need explanation if you are really that guy.

(10:56):
If you are really and the definition of that guy
is all relative, it's really like, what do you feel
like that guy is? Because you can say I'm him,
and yeah, you could be that guy to your community
or to yourself, but that's not, like, you know, to everybody,
so it's all relative. There's really no need to sit
there and kind of like you know, prod around the term.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, that's a good way to
look at it.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
I like I also Doug with this one too, when
I had the videos I used, and I liked the
one that was talking about the man child because when
I was getting into just him in general, I was like, Okay,
we kind of gotta flip it too, and a lot
of times. And the story that I told, like I said,
if we don't follow each other on nothing, I mean,
he might tap into my podcast in years to come.
But that's the scenario I describe what was based on

(11:43):
a true story. He doesn't know that I said that,
but I also don't believe that he even knows I
know about this story. But long story short, it was
a person for those who don't know, just you know,
quick recap. Guy was cool with He was cool, you
know cool, He's great, you know, and he's one of
the ones I fear for. And I say this respectfully

(12:05):
because I would hate because when people like that don't
get caught and they think they can do what they
want to do, it kind of like boils over. So
you to keep being a build up on different things
and then one day you get put on blast for
all this stuff you done did and now it comes
off like you a fraud. So my suggestion to anybody
who let me say what he did it was basically

(12:26):
he was just he had a real bad temper and
very very like you gotta go back an episode and watch.
I don't want to keep you know, paper trails what
I said, But he just he was very aggressive, very abrasive,
very you know, didn't get his way.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
There were times where I will say we did to me.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
This involved me. He I looked up one day and
I was blocked on everything. But I partially know why.
I'm gonna tell you after the camera go down, and
then I guess he ended up. We end up refollowing
each other again and then talking about stuff, and then
he ended up on following me and I follow himself.
But yeah, he did it to another friend of mine

(13:05):
that was a mutual friend. Because the friend called me
and was like, yeah, well you talk so and so
late that I was like, nah, what happened? He was like,
I think he blocked me and did it. I said
for what He was like, I don't know. We ain't told, Like, oh, okay.
They ended up getting past that though I don't know
what happened, but that ain't in my business. But before
we move on, what is your take on mad Child?
Do you have any homeboys that are mad children, mad children,

(13:27):
and what what's what's going on? Because I had a
friend who actually listened to it. He's a blocker in Vegas,
and he said, like he just had to cut off
one of his close friends for something like that.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah. Crazy, because when you were telling that story, it
reminded me of a similar situation with you know, a
past friend of mine and trying to keep it keep
keep it brief. But really it was he was just
very he's just very codependent. It's very emotional, and it

(13:59):
was It really took somewhat of a not many would
say it's a traumatic experience, but he took something that
was so small and turned it into a traumatic experience,
and it was really able to show just kind of like, oh,
you're throwing a huge tantrum at the time of you're
twenty four, You twenty four doing this. Then the third

(14:22):
like everything you do has consequences behind it, and you
giving off this persona on social media in real life,
this that and the third, but also at the same time,
like what you're doing is not is not reflective of
what you're saying, you know, And then it was and

(14:42):
I would try to be there for him for sure,
Like that was my homie, that was my dog, you
know what I mean, like still tight, We're not as
close as we're not really, we don't have the same
dynamic that we had before. I always wish him the best.
I always wish him to be successful, you know, with
his friends. So I ain't gonna sit there and you know,
wish him no harm. But it was until so Dad
really started leaking into my life, you know, and started

(15:04):
impeding what I had going on, or potentially impeding that,
putting things at risk that had to do with me,
where I'm like, Okay, you know what I mean, you're
just kind of latching on a little bit too much.
You need some space to grow in this moment. So
I mean, that's really like mine, I would say my
experience with the man child. I can't really say I

(15:24):
have too many close friends or associates that are I
would describe them as a man child. But there are
maybe a few tendencies and stuff of that nature where
it's like, Okay, you could grow out of that, but
it's not where I'm like, oh, it's to a point
where it's it's toxic for our friendship, for our relationship,
you know.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Right, gotta cut you off. Okay, okay, good stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Anything else I want to say before we go with
this topic or a podcast situation. Is there anything in
there that y'all said that you was lying. I don't
know how I feel about that. Was it kind of
like I don't know because there are it's stuff people
I listen to, you know, I preface that with there's
some episodes and things they record. I'd be like, dang,

(16:06):
it ain't nothing I didn't agree with, But then it's
something i'd be like a you you push, I would
say one of the things that I was a little
bit you know, if I want to say one hundred
percent disagreed on it, but it was it was going
into the fear of commitment.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
You know. Yeah, My thing is is it fear of
the commitment or is it knowing what it's going to
take to make that commitment? Because there's you know, commitment
goes a long way. That's kind of like a twenty
four to seven kind of thing depending on what it's like.
You know, you can commit to a job and that's
not a twenty four to seven thing because you know
it's five days after week, four days after week, whatever

(16:44):
it might be. But I feel like sometimes it's not
always a fear of commitment. It's kind of like I
know what it's gonna take, and I understand that I'm
not equipped to do that now, and I don't think
that's always and I think knowing that does take a
certain level of maturity to be able to do so,
to be able to sit there and tell yourself that now,
I do think that's where, you know, the fear commitment

(17:06):
it gets a little money.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So with that, I agree, because there's
been times where, like even with my situations, like I'll
date somebody and then it just kind of go to
a certain extent and just feel about and a lot
of it do be me. I ain't gonna lie, not
always though, But I think that, like I said, it
really just depends. But most cases men this age is

(17:28):
a fear of commitment, of being in a relationship.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
You know, that's mainly the case because how are you
twenty six?

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Okay, yeah, so you're a little younger, but you know
some people I know, I had one home boy. He
was with this girl since they was like in college,
and they moved into the same city everything and live together,
all that good stuff together, all these years engaged and
now they got together no more. And I know, granted
that you did your little stuff in between, you know,

(17:57):
throughout the musical.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
I've been together that long a y'all was on.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
But to be with somebody that long you knew I
was gonna get married too, and now it ain't. It's
like you really have to start all over again at
thirty something when you was with somebody over you know.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Twelve years. Yeah, So I think some people just scared
to like go through that again. For whatever reason. Some
people just.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Don't want to leave their single life or whatever. But
I think in most cases, some people just they don't want.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
To They how do I say this? They don't want
their life to change.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
And I think a lot of us are scared, like
I said in the episode, scared of their potential because
they scared that this is gonna change and they don't
know how this is gonna look. And sometimes the change
can be a good one or a bad one.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
You might hypothetically get cast to be on the TV show.
Soon as you get on their TV show, your whole
life about to change. And that's scary because it's like,
you know, I had the opportunity to be on some
stuff and I end up doing it. But it was
like at first, I'm like, if I put myself out
here like that, it's not gonna be you know, you

(19:01):
won't be able to always go to the grocery store
looking any kind of way, because it's gonna be somebody
there like, hey, ain't you so and so from you know,
that's happened to me twice. Granted I still ain't got
the clout like that yet, but I have been someone
that was like, you look so familiar, I said, dude,
and then they ended up figuring it out and I
was like, yeah, that's me, Like, and that's happened like
twice in the last six years.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
What happens when it started happening twice an hour?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
M hmm yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
So the end of that right exactly. Okay, that's good.
So I think we're gonna put a pin in that.
Appreciate you for listening. Said you listen to it twice. Look,
you went above and beyond. I just I said, you
just ain't gotta finish you just listen to some of it.
What was I about to say?

Speaker 1 (19:44):
So?

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Again, it wasn't my favorite premiere but I did get
good feedback from people, so I have to stop being extra.
But like I said, I am gonna make up for
it in the studio this season and next week's episode
kind of continues this conversation on a little bit with the.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
I guess John Diggs.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
He talks about mind mapping and if you don't know
what mind mapping is, you have to tune in and
see what that is.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
But it's also I will give away that.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
If you're thinking about your future in any way, shape
or form, this episode will help with that and also
help with anybody who feeling like you keep going through
again that conversation about going around the same mountain, if
you keep going in the same cycles and your thoughts
and your money and your relationships. This episode where we
got to experts to help out with that. All right, now,

(20:31):
let's get into the first topic for today. So my
boy Donathan Mayors. I actually haven't talked about him on
the live stream in a few weeks now, several weeks,
and he recently what we talking about Cam Newton again
because he was recently on Funky Friday and he shared
what was it like dealing with cancel culture? And this
clip comes from the neighborhood talk. So I'm gonna share

(20:53):
my screen and then we are going to delve into.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
It because I've got a lot to say. I got
a lot to say.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
I'm this guy. Mm hmm. She had been crazy, I mean,
and the whole world gave me a narrative. Okay, this
is who I am. I'm this guy. Mm hmm. I

(21:21):
don't want I don't want to be that guy, you
know what I mean. I don't think I'm that guy,
but I don't want to be that guy. And then
people talk about, you know, comeback or or or it's
not a comeback, you know, I mean, it's a rebirth,
you know what I mean, it's complete rebirth. I think
we have to make space for people to have those
moments we talk about all the time, Oh, well, apologize

(21:46):
to do better, but then someone tries to do better
and then they go, oh no, he's fully ship.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Well.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Hm, I don't want to talk about that.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
I don't want to.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
I don't want to touch that part where I go
oh okay, so so now it's not real because you
don't want to see it right. But to the point
I had to, I had something had to die or
I was going to die, you know what I mean.
I was gonna go down the road because I didn't
want to go down, you know what I mean, and
bring everybody that stuck around with me, daughter, friends, friends, friends,

(22:24):
you know what I mean. Then my brothers, everybody was
going to go down, and so I for myself and
for my family, but I won't stop, primarily for myself.
You know, I said, Jay, you can't do this, you
know what I mean, Like, don't go that way, you
know what I mean? Yeah, you canceled. Okay, we're gonna

(22:45):
do Now what does that mean? What does that mean?
What does that mean? That's a real moment for me, right,
I'm really I'm really asking what's that mean? What's the
definition of it? And now there's a playbook for it? Right, Okay,
this individual, this entertainer, this athlete has done this. Now

(23:05):
we're going to cancel and throw the book at him. Well,
the court already did that. I'm dealing with that. But
then you go into your social group or your work
environment and you have to pay a penance there too.
Apparently I don't disagree with that. But the idea of cancelation,

(23:29):
in my opinion, and it varies right, And I've said
this before, so I'll be bold and saying it. I
just think it's incomplete. I think it's incomplete. You fuck up,
you fall down, make a mistakes, and then you're in
the corner for the rest of your life. Never mind

(23:50):
your child, never mind your livelihood, never mind yourself your
self confidence.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
All right, all right, So now let's get into what
just happened. All right, So first segment, what does this
have to do with mental health? So for those of
them know he was about he was at the top,
the top, and I mean the top of getting up there.
He got a book to be king what's the name?
In the Marvel movies, he's the big bad dang So

(24:24):
it just don't jump to me at the right time.
But anyway, he played was playing, gonna play that he
was getting movie after the movie he was deemed with
like the sexiest man alive. And then I was laughing
because there was like sometimes you ain't ugly, you're just fat.
And I seen the post today it said that it
was just like this is the signd like sometimes you
ain't ugly, just fat. Now his case, he was just
hell of skinny. But you could use that both ways

(24:48):
to say sometimes you're not ugly, you just need to
hit the jail. And you know I've said before and
I'm not even in the final form yet, but from
what I've come from, I've noticed a drastic differenference and
being approached and things. So I know when I get
to the final for him, it's up because the fits
was already there. But you know, now it's really Finnaugh.
But to get off of me, get back on him,

(25:10):
to watch this man go to your rise and then
just fall almost like a humiliation ritual.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Then this lady comes out of nowhere that he.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Dated and said he beat her and all this stuff,
and then the videos leaked. What I will say is,
you know, mental health is the definition is the study
of how we act, think and feel. So with that,
if we're trying to get to the root of why
how he act that way, think like this, you know,
feel like that. You know, I will say, during them times,

(25:39):
I didn't really see him talking publicly as much. Do
you recall him saying anything publicly around that time when
he was being you know, annihilated per se.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
No, he was very at least to minor, he was
very silent about that.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
If he did say something I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
I didn't see it. No, and that was that my
friends group was talking about.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
So y'all was.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yeah, like around the time that he was like that
cancel culture going on, because like right before, like you said,
he was on top, so we were already like, oh yeah,
he's got it, like he's he's here, and then that
was going on. So I mean, we're staying fairly up
to date. So I mean, I don't I don't recall
hearing him saying anything around that time.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, you know, I gotta get message. So do you
feel as though if she was a black woman and
not a white woman, this situation would have caught us
much flat?

Speaker 3 (26:39):
No, not at all. I don't. I don't think so.
I mean, it would have caught a little bit of flat,
but it would kind of it would have been a
little bit different. It would have been like he's just
oh okay, yeah, just like we thought he's you know,
another like we're kind of like it would have been
expected in a sense. So I feel like with it
happening with a white woman, it was it was like

(27:03):
able to seem like a bigger blemish, even though if
it was a black woman yellow woman green, no matter,
it still would have been the same, you know what
I'm saying, the same situation, but the public definitely would
have looked at it differently. It would have just been like, oh,
this is expected, this goes along with the narrative.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Right, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Now next segment, wwid what would I do in this situation?
So one thing, like I already said, I like that
he was quiet. He wasn't out here talking too much.
It was really kind of like that, I'm already breaking
down this silence. I'm not finna publicly crash out like
you not finna be because to me, that feed more
into the narrative, because it's like, Okay, angry black man.

(27:41):
Now he out here, big and muscular, punching on people.
He did the right thing. He was out here dancing.
He got a meme of him dancing, so you know
you did right. You just got people thinking you just
you know, you dancing the hater way, you dancing the
painted way.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
I don't know. He wasn't out here drunk, he wasn't
out here high. You might have been all them things.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
In the house, but in the streets you wouldn't let
them talk about you think about an old Wanda Sykes
comedy special years ago, and I remember she was like
her mammy to say, don't do that.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
White folks is looking at you.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
So do you feel that we have to steal in
this economy, in this world do things with the mindset
that white folks is looking at you?

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah? We yeah, we do. It all depends, but I
think it's relative. It all depends on what you're going
for because for some things it may not matter. You know,
it may not matter, and it may not have you
look looked at in a negative light. Now I would
say with Jonathan Majors, yeah, I mean definitely does because

(28:51):
it comes with the territory like you on top, you
know what I mean, Like what does kind of matter
with It does matter that the white folks eyes is
on them because for the most part they were able
to dictate, you know, his motion. So it is something
that we still do have to be mindful of, like
white folks is watching. But again for some people they

(29:11):
don't necessarily matter, you know, with what they want to do.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I think, like I said, he we should take a
playbook from him because like he said, and I've seen
in one of those comments on neighborhood talk. I didn't
go fishing. It was one of the first ones, and
it said his rebirth will be, should be, will need
to be studied in the future. That she was like,
mark my words, because the way he was reborn through
all of that, you know, after being annihilated and put

(29:38):
on this and you know, he got a baddie out
of it making good.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
You know, we find out who your friends.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
And when he made that comment about friends, I don't know,
and like I didn't watch the whole interview, but I
know when he made that comment about friends, I felt
that because if kind of was like he was saying friends,
Like you know, these type of situations expose who your
friends are.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
So you go through.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Those tough times, you know who's gonna be there for you,
who not. And you know he got married, you know,
happily married. You know his career is back to about
to be probably better than ever. So before I go
to the next segment of the acts in that situation,
would you have responded by like him or well, we

(30:22):
both are gonna naturally say we would have did what
he did, But let's be honest, what would you have
would have needed to have been done? So that you
would not have been responded like that. Would you have
to delete your social media? Would you just been able
to say I'm not gonna respond. Would you have to
like maybe literally unplugged, Like I don't want to be
tempted to go look at the YouTube video saying I'm

(30:43):
a devil.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
I don't want to be tempted to Yeah, so what what? What?
How would you handle that?

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Me? Honestly, like I mean the YouTube videos that might
have been YouTube videos, television segments that are sitting there
like talking down on me. I honestly would have to
unplugged from that. But I would just kind of like
I would just keep it pushing with what I'm doing,
especially you know, if I'm innocent. It's one thing that
I heard from Shannon Shark said, I now I'll never

(31:10):
chase a lie. So uh. I remember one time I
got on PlayStation with my boys and my friend Brennan.
He he was joking around and stuff. He's like, yeah, Derek,
you know I heard I heard something about you recently.
And I was like a word and he was like yeah,
And I was like, well, as long as it's nothing,
nothing that has to do with pedophilia, believe him what

(31:31):
we playing today? What game? What game were about to play?
And I knew he was joking, but like I mean
that I feel strongly about a lot of that. You know,
if whatever, you know, whatever done in the dark gonna
come to light, and if I know I'm not doing
nothing in the dark, and I ain't concerned if that's
what you're about to believe about now, I will say,
like again, I wouldn't be watching any segments that's talking
down on me because that that would be frustrating because

(31:52):
it's like, now you're completely wrong, Like especially if it's
somebody that has like a large platform that would get
to me. So I would just have to want to
see it. It's not like I'll admit I wouldn't be
able to sit there and watch it and internally be
calm about that. You know, that would just that that
would kind of eat at me a little bit. But
the other things, I just you know what I'm saying, continue,

(32:13):
you know, continue living my life, Just keep pushing until,
like you know, the truth ends up coming out. And
if it doesn't, like you said, the people who stick
by you, who's really there for you, They're gonna continue
to stick by you if they don't, ay man, you
know that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, WWJD. What would Jesus do?

Speaker 2 (32:33):
So in this si situation, you know, Jesus has been
talked about badly obviously.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
You know, attacked.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
You know, I see the references we in the Eastern
past overseason and they made the comment like Jesus the
proof that one Sunday they can hate you, they can
love you, then the next Sunday that you know, they
kill you within a few days.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
He was kid within less than a week.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
So you know, in this situation that mirrors in us
in the real world, because it can be one day
they praise the one day they critiquing you. And I've
said this, and I'm gonna keep saying, you cannot die
by the criticism. You can't live by the praise and
die by the criticism because it can be high low
and that's just a yo, yo, I don't have time
for so in that situation. And I'm gonna be honest

(33:16):
that even if there was a situation where people was
honestly praising me heavily, I will still might have to
be like, let me not get to in that because
that can go diggy your head high. And now as
soon as I say some negative, you just lose it.
You don't want to be getting half that because when
you get half your own supply, not only do you

(33:38):
you know, lose money, but you in this case, you're
getting half your own supply. You you're gonna keep chasing
it high. You're gonna keep needing it something else to
bring it back up. So then as you seek a validation,
So now you you don't know what you'll do.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
You don't know what you do. You might turn the
real drugs, it might turn to somebody. What's your type?
Going the final segment with this.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yeah, I agree, it's like you're just gonna be like you,
like you said, like you're gonna be chasing out high.
You gotta get it from somewhere. So if you kind
of like fall from fall from those those good graces
where everyone's parading you, you're just gonna turn to someone
where somebody is so and then I feel like at
that point, that's where you lose your integrity. You kind
of you start to go against your values and the
stuff that you really believe in just to kind of

(34:25):
get that high, just to get that that fix, Like
you gotta get your fix at that point, so you
just like you can't feed into that, Like am I
At my full time job, we get feedback constantly, you
know what I'm saying, which is pretty cool. And I've
been there for all coming up on a year now,
so you know, I very diligent in my work trying

(34:47):
to get good at it. So I always like when
I get feedback and I read it, I'm like, oh,
it's dang, this is really good, Like I'm really shocked.
I always have to kind of check back in and
be like, I can't get complacent, you know, I gotta
keep doing what I'm doing. And you know, also remember that
this is a part of a job. I could do
a job and I'm not and I don't do so
well and I get some bad feedback. So it's like

(35:07):
I can't look at this feedback that I got from
my manager and be like, oh, yeah, now we tight
because she sat there and gave me all this, you
know what I'm saying, all these good reviews, because then
at that point, if I'm getting bad reviews, then I
might be malaitias with my coworkers or sabag you know,
like all right, cool, well, let me make sure I
take this job and I'm greedy over it to make
sure that I get good reviews, and I mean, that's

(35:28):
not something that I really believe in.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Personally, I agree, and I like that because it easily
transitions to the next segment, the final segment, for the
final conversation. So WSMD, what should men do in this situation?

Speaker 1 (35:42):
So we talked about what I would do, what should
men do? What would Jesus do?

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Also that means what is ethically more the correct thing
to do. We're kind of both on the same page
with that. My suggestion to men in a situation like
this where they are maybe dragging you publicly, whether they
telling the truth or what that they line, the first
thing I will say is did you do ask you?

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Did you do it?

Speaker 1 (36:05):
If you did it, tell your own business.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
I told one of my friends recently, I say, hey,
these stories is getting out of hand. I said, Now,
if you didn't do it, don't worry about it. But
in the same breath, if you did, you need to
get in front of it, because this is bad, This
is very, very bad.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
So I would suggest also that.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
In that situation too, if it's not true and it's
still really bad, you need to figure out who's entertaining it,
who's in belief with it, And you ain't necessarily got
to address it. You just kind of know you might
need to address it maybe later on down the line,
but you just need to take a mental note and
know not to tell them something because sometimes people when

(36:45):
they call you about some mess, they're not calling you
to hear your side of the story. They're calling they
already made, they side up. They are really just what
they believe. They just want to see if they gonna
keep thinking you lie? Yeah, are they're trying to, like,
you know, force you into a confession that either don't
exist if you didn't do it, or did if you did.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, what's your what's your take on that?

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah? I can I can definitely attest to that. Where
there's been situations where someone will inquire about something or
ask a question like, oh, when was the last time
you talked to such and such? Hmm, okay, all right,
and then it's like I moments like that, I've caught
it in the moment, like Okay, I see what's going
on here, Like they're trying to either get the truth

(37:30):
out of me or get whatever truth that they believe
out of it. So then in that moment, I'm like, Okay,
well all right, I realized, like what they're asking, they're
trying to beat around the bush. I'm gonna tell you
exactly what you want to know at this point, Like
that's kind of like how I see it with that.
But again, it all depends on the person. If it's
somebody that I noticed traditionally messy, it is kind of

(37:51):
like I'm not really I'm not really entertaining in no
way because I know you kind of like you like
to stir stuff.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Up, right, definitely, definitely all right, y'all, good stuff. Now
move to the final conversation for the day. So as
we know, there's another push and another reason, like to
keep these types of conversations going, you know, with mental health,
mental illness, you know, being relatable, having people that just

(38:18):
get it. And there was recently another tragic suicide. As
you know, I literally said last week one of my
cousins committed suicide.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Now three weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
One of my close friends, like a brother, he committed
suicide at the end of twenty twenty one, and we
had a great what was discourse. I'm going to use
my words today about suicide last week and fortunately we
got to talk about it again. So, as we all know,
LSU player Kyraen Lancy committed suicide. Now, what was it

(38:55):
a few days ago? Was it last night?

Speaker 1 (38:57):
It was?

Speaker 3 (38:58):
I think at least a couple might have been a
couple of days ago. I don't think. I don't think
it was.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Last So just to give a debrief about the scenario
for those that don't know, he was in a hidden run,
fatal hitting run last year, going down the wrong way
and he fled the scene.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Was alcohol and was there any foul play like that?

Speaker 3 (39:21):
I'm not. I don't. I didn't. I haven't heard anything
about any sort of inebriation. I don't. I don't want
to cast any expersions if it was, you know, yeah,
if there was, if there wasn't. I don't think there was,
though as far as I'm concerned, I haven't heard that
or I haven't seen it in what I've read.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
So I have a quick video we're gonna watch, and
it's just the world reacting to his death. We are
going to watch this real quick and then and and
it's Kyra Lates. Excuse me the auto type anyway, Let
me share my screen and or auto correct that should
say let's watch this video real quick, because it's said

(40:03):
that people have to sell a birnchie like this.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
News broke early this morning that former LSU wide receiver
kai Ran Lacey had passed away by taking his own.
Life in the football world is show. Jade and Daniels
posted on Instagram sharing photos of the two together. He
wrote that his last college touchdown was thrown to Lacey
and said it was always US four no matter what.
He called him a real one, said Lacey brought energy
and positivity every day and made it clear he had
his back no matter what. Justin Jefferson posted a tribute
on his story. Jamar Chase kept it simple on Twitter,

(40:28):
saying damn rip Lacey. Sometimes those short posts hit harder.
Odell Beckham Junior said rest easy, Lil bro along with
the photo of them together. Angel Rees spoke on a
deeper level. She posted, mental health is real, so check
on your people. You never know what someone is going through.
It wasn't just about Lazy, he was a reminder to
all of us. Aj Brown also shared his thoughts on
x A few other active and former NFL players chimed

(40:49):
into showing love and sadness. Rapper Boozy even posted a
video saying how messed up this was and told young
people to speak up.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
If they're struggling. Man, I'm lowing for words too, bro.

Speaker 5 (41:02):
This video was so passionate and straight from the heart.
Lacy's dad shared this really heartfelt message on Facebook. This
one shook a lot of people. He had that energy
that spark people felt it. This situation is heartbreaking. Kyrene
was so young and talented and clearly loved by his
teammates and community. The way everyone reacted Jaden Odell Angel Reese,
it shows how real he was off the field too.

(41:23):
It's a reminder that people can be smiling and still
fighting battles. We don't see this one hurts. Rest in
peace to Kyrine Lacy.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
All right, let's time unpacked this so the first one
obviously again running back through what does this have to
do with mental health? So unfortunately we learned, and as
we talked about this last week that you didn't see
it coming. I know that he was fighting at case
and and and you know, I'm really gonna tie his
home because we actually had this conversation last night after

(41:59):
I went to a birthday party in the backyard the
girls I was selling that was in town, and my
one home boy. We came back to my apartment. We
talked for like three or four hours. I didn't go
to bed till like four o'clock, and we kind of
we didn't talk about this, but we were just talking
about mental health was one of the topics. It was like,
it was almost like you should have had the cameras

(42:20):
rolling for the podcast, but in the conversation we talked about,
you know, this type mental health and that kind of
thing and what is And we talked about my one
homeboy who committed suicide and was saying how in this situation,
he already was fighting the dui. He was going through
obviously another other mental turmoil as well, but he was

(42:40):
fighting a dui and he was drunk again one night
and then he ran into a car and so and
I think his license plate was left at the scene
of the crime. This is I don't want to hope.
I'm not messing it up. And I'm talking about Homo
right now, not Kyride. But I'm tying it at home.
So that night was the night he committed suicide. And

(43:01):
I guess in his mind, you know. I don't know
because of know's going through a lot. He was already
fighting one case and it it's like, dang, you fighting
one case and it's taking all your energy, time and money.
And then it's like you was drunk and hit somebody else,
so it's like dang, grant you, no one passed away
or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
It's just like.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
They gonna hit you because there was your license plate
left there. So it's like, dang, now I'm about to
go to jail. And although I am not an advocate
for jail, a lot of these situations similar to Kyrien,
where I guess he probably felt like, dang, I'm about
to get locked up.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
It ain't looking good. I'm about to go get locked up.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Even if you went to jail, the two situations mirror
because if you would have went to jail, you might
have been in jail maybe maybe three years. Maybe nobody
wants to go to jail, but it's like you wouldn't
even been in there that long. And it's just unfortunate
that the prison system.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Is so.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
What it is that some people say I would rather
in my life then go to jail.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
What's your take on that?

Speaker 3 (44:14):
I would say it kind of it was like him
getting I think it goes back to even him having
an accident, because again, not one hundred percent sure of
inebriation was involved. But I mean, if you're going the
wrong direction on it's not saying that's an abriation, maybe
you're just a little bit of a reckless driver or

(44:34):
a little bit you know, off the changes in some
situations now all the time, but uh, I mean the
people around them, you gotta you gotta some if you
really love somebody that's new, you gotta hone them in.
You gotta just really can't even if it's getting on
the nerves. You gotta really just kind of speak reality
to them. And I mean it's kind of tough, uh,

(44:55):
just being like trying to speak that to somebody that's
an adult considering an adult legally, but especially somebody that's
like on that platform. And it goes back to what
we were saying earlier, where you can't really feed, like
you can't feed into them praising you too much, because
then you kind of start to lose grip of reality
in that sense. So I feel like like that shows

(45:20):
that people you gotta be more aware of what the
people around you are doing, you know, just kind of
like look into that a little bit more, be a
little bit more analytical. Yeah, they might call you antal,
but you know what I'm saying, if you truly love them,
then those are the things. Those are the signs you're
gonna you know, you're gonna. You know that you need
to take heed to. And then I was especially like

(45:46):
during the season as well, he's doing well, you know,
highly tattered prospect projected to go in the first round,
possibly second round. That's still it's still amazing in the NFL. Right,
it's like still those around him still keeping him in reality,
like you know, not trying to make it negative, but

(46:06):
just keeping his mind at ground so he doesn't get
to this high. And then it's like, oh, yeah, because
I believe I think this was yesterday because I think
the court date was today. So it's like, so now
you know I did, I did. I did great in
the combine. You know, I did solid during the season.
Now I don't want to say they amazing team success,
but still he did very well this year. And it's like,

(46:32):
now I gotta deal with this court, like this court
case coming up. Wow. So it's like the fall I
can't I think that this was the very beginning of
money Heights. They said, the fall from heaven is devastating,
and I just, you know, I just think it just
hit him so hard. He didn't really know what to

(46:53):
do in that situation. So I feel like again, like
you know, it's your surroundings that that are just very vital.
That's kind of like what I'm taking from it that standpoint.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Now, let's go to the next segment. Ww I D
what would I do in this situation?

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Now?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
As we know, mental health study how we think or feel,
and in a situation where you feel like there is
no way of escaping, Like I said, of these there
are two scenarios with two black, young black men who
rather said I'd rather underlive myself than go to prison.
Do you think suicide in itself is selfish?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Why?

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:40):
I would say, yeah, I would. I kind of have
to say it is. And I don't want I want
my comments to sound insensitive. You know, I've had i'ven't
had any friends that have ended up on the other side,
but I've had a couple of friends that were like
very close, like at the edge, like made attempts to
do so and it's like you gotta think about it, Like,
especially in this situation. You know, you're driving on the

(48:04):
wrong side of the road. That's not you know, this
can't really see this necessarily an accident. So it's like
you're doing things you got to understand, like you can't
do anything in this world, but there are consequences to
your actions. And a lot of young people kind of
like poke their chest out and are really like, you know,
living fast, living reckless. But then when they have to

(48:26):
face the consequences, all of that, like all of that
is gone, you know at that point, and it is
very unfortunate for the young man. I hope, you know,
I hope he rests in peace. I hope his soul
is able to achieve like what he desired. But like
now it's like again, another man died in the hit
and run. Who's to say that man's family isn't going

(48:46):
to be out here ridiculing his family, you know what
I'm saying. Now they got to deal with all that grief. Now,
they got to deal with all the negative publicity or
even seeing like just like you were saying, it's unfortunate
that this is the way that he has to be
glorified because you know, him taking his own life, and
that's not you know, that's not necessarily you know, that's
not the answer, you know it, you know, to the problem.

(49:07):
You know, in that point, like like you said, no,
no one wants to go to jail. No one wants
to go to prison, you know, but killing yourself is
not the answer because everyone around you, those that love you, your family,
your friends, they you know, they have to deal with
the aftermath. You you know, you necessarily don't. None of
us know what's gonna happen when we die. So it

(49:29):
was to say that you don't killing yourself is going
to solve your problems at that point. So yeah, unfortunately
I would have to say that, you know, it's selfish
and somebody that's really close to me and my family
not going to disclose any names because I feel like
they only told me, but they were saying, like, you know,

(49:49):
I thought about it for sure, but I sat there
and I realized, like if I did that, so many
things would could possibly tumble down. Now, you know, very
solid support system, but yeah, for the most part, that
would be devastating to all of you guys. So like
and in turn, it is selfish. It doesn't solve It

(50:11):
doesn't solve much at all. Really.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
So with that, like I said, and you said you
tuned in last week to the live stream. Oh, shout
out to Erica to join me. But you know, I'm
told I've openly stated in my statements and in this
link today, I'm going to actually keep the conversation going
because I have an episode from season five and it's

(50:37):
title is suicide Selfish and actually broke down and gave
my take on that, So y'all need to.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Check that out.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
But what I will say is it is hard because
when you've actually been there, like I'm nowhere in there
at all now. But I'm thankful for the shows, like
I said back then in Thirteen Reasons Why, because it
really helps you to see, like, you know, her Mama
never recovered from that, And I said that last week,
and it was just hard to watch it, even though
you know it was a TV show.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
But when people decide to do that, you know.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
What led up to that, And in most cases, it's
always a combination of things and it's just like you
feel like this is the only escape. And so although
obviously I've overcome those thoughts many years ago, and I'm
not an advocate for a suicide. However, we still need
to make these conversations more, you know, more frequent, because

(51:27):
you all don't get tired of posts and mental health
is real check on y'all people. Y'all ain't tired of
posting that yet. And when people trying to tell y'all stuff,
you dismiss them. So I think that although to an extent,
those are the cases, we can't be dismissive with people
or just dismiss people as, oh, you're just sensitive or
you just because in some case people do just be
a little too sensitive, right, But a lot of times

(51:51):
they really trying to tell you something, you just being
because I mean two things with you the same time.
They could be being a little too sensitive at times,
and then it could be you just being a little
So keep that in mind because if they telling you
about it, they don't want to actually do it. And
a lot of times, unfortunately, like I don't think he
ever told nobody that, we don't know yet, and I
know my homeboy never told nobody that before he did it.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
So yeah, did I do? I did? Watch WWID I did?

Speaker 2 (52:20):
What would I do in this situation? If I run
through it again to go to the next one, WWID.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
I would.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
If I thought about that at this point in life,
I would really have to ask myself what would how
would my family feel? How would my closest friends feel?
And I ask really myself, is there not a way out?
And really just ponder on that. That's something I would

(52:50):
have to take the prayer and ask God, like, I
want to make this decision be at transparent as possible,
But can you show me a way out? It ain't
gotta come today, but can you just show me that
there's a way out of this whatever it is. But
I'm here to tell you, as harsh as maybe insensitive sound,
it is always.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
A way out. So you know the only way out
is through WWJD. What would Jesus do in this situation?

Speaker 2 (53:19):
This is an interesting comment because I'm about to say
somebody didn't even think of until just now. What if
Jesus decided to commit suicide instead of going on across
it would have took him out of it versus him
going through it. And what's it said? He didn't contemplate that.
He asked God to like, is there any way that
we I don't.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Have to do this, we did.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
What if he decided to commit suicide instead of getting
on the cross, Like that's something to be like, you know,
and I'm not saying you're y'all Jesus, but what I
am saying is if we you know, people believe different things,
but we strive to be like that. You know, no
one's ever gonna be perfect, but you know, and there
are gonna be times where you might think and most

(54:04):
and most people who operate in their gifts and really
called and live right, even if they ain't all the
way living right all the way, they.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Struggle with suicide idiation.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
And I believe it's a way to get them out
of here early because they got something they're gonna be
doing that's gonna be major. And it's like, let me
get you out of here now so that you can't
accomplish that.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Let's chew on that. I want you to tell your
tea because I see your body language.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Yeah, that's it. That's an interesting way to think about
it because it's like, what if that is what they're
hearing is, you know, is the way out? And like
you said, like, maybe I'm taking you out because it
could get even worse in a sense, So like that
does really make you think to the point of what

(54:51):
if Jesus did that, I mean, they like it's hard
to imagine. You know, there would really be no credibility
and all the things that he was saying and then
he was, you know, later on, you know, actually proving
it in action. So if he did that, it's just
like the whole structure to a lot of things just
would be it would just be a lot of chaos
because I mean, no matter what people can, you know,

(55:13):
what religion they decided to believe in for the most part,
like Jesus is the Most High and everybody is looking
looking in that direction, so he were to do that,
it would just kind of it would it would just
be a lot of chaos. It wouldn't really be too
much credibility to the things that are preached about the
Most High. Ooh, yeah, that's kind of That's a lot

(55:38):
to take in though.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
It is, And it just goes to show you that,
you know, people say that people listen to what you say,
but they watch what you do.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
And in his case, he literally died on the cross.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
And you know, there are Bible verses that talk about
you know, you have to carry your cross, and you
have to die to yourself daily. And like I said,
he taught you by his act that he could have
just said, I'm gona I could just not die on
the cross.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
I could just pull.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Myself down and say nope, I can call a legion
of angels right now.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Or I could have just said, you know, I'm just
in my own life. That way, I ain't gotta do
all this.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
So it's another way of saying, like if he had
to go through it, you gotta go through it too.
And again, I'm not gonna ever sit here and shame
nobody for ever feeling suicidal because I've been there, because
I get it. But in the same breath, you have
to remember you it's something with you that's just too
good to why you what you need to do on
this earth, and trying to get you to take yourself

(56:34):
out so that when I they the devil trying to
get you to take yourself out so that you can
go ahead and go and then boom, the plan is aboided.
So keep that in mind moving forward, if you ever
think that you want to do that. Somebody goes catch
stumble upon this at the right time. Finally, WSMD what's

(56:54):
your man do in this situation? I'm gonna let you
start it off. What's your take, because I know you
and your friends had a great conversation and just unpacking
all of this.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
So what what do you think men.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Should do in a situation like this suicidal ideation, feeling
like there's no way out?

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Honestly, I mean, the most conson narrative everm's gonna be like, oh,
you should talk to somebody, you know. And of course
there are situations where they're telling them, they're telling their
people and they just dismissing it. They're not really paying
any mind to it, or they're showing the signs and
the conversations I don't really thought provoking or this. Sometimes
I have conversations with friends, not not in reference to suicide,

(57:32):
but just like I said then and I realized, like, oh,
they don't want to talk, they just want someone to listen.
So I do know that there are situations like that
in working in bartending at the airport. One like bartending
people like I mean you see it on TV shows
but in movies, but it is really real. Random people
do have like we'll sit there and trauma dun't aren't

(57:53):
like trauma dump on you. So it's like you never
know which voice or whose ears that God is going
to talk to you or listen to you from right.
So it's like, yeah, like you also got you got
to keep an open mind, think like there's an all,
there's an all teerior meaning to everything that I'm going through.
So when I would say, you gotta just always you

(58:14):
always gotta kind of like keep a I hate to
sound cliche, but you gotta you know, you always gotta
stay positive. You know, you know, the situation could always
be worse, and even if it's terrible, like it could
always be worse. But just you know, look for an
open ear. And I'm not saying go to everybody in
trauma Dome, but again it might be the lady at
the grocery store. Now, if you're walking around being mopie

(58:36):
and gloomy about whatever it is you're going on you
have going on, that's not you know, that's not going
to attract the kind of energy that you need in
this situation. And I'm not saying to sit there and
you know, parade around and be all you know, smiling
and jubilant if you're going if you're really going through
a tough time, but you know, you gotta stay optimistic

(58:57):
and keep going for your passion, keep going for your passion,
whatever your purpose is, just keep going towards that, you
know what I mean, Like that's just an obstacle that
you're going through at that time. And then if you
keep doing that, like the universe just has a strange
way of getting in contact with you, like the right ways.
And this happened to me at work so many times
though on the other end, where I'm talking too my

(59:21):
boy at work about something I'm going through at home,
and then as a customer, he's like, well, just simply
do this, and then we sit there and we dive
in and we have a conversation. I'm like, wow, this
really just shifted my entire perspective on what I have
going on. So I would just really say, you got
to keep your eyes and ears open and remain optimistic

(59:42):
and just like keep your compass pointed at your purpose.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
There we go, and then we're gonna end it on
that one, because that was a good point.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
All right.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Like I said, I already gave a preface on what
we're talking about for track two, which will drop of
course Thursday ten really eight am for the audio six pm,
eight or nine. I haven't decided it's gonna be the
official time. I might keep it team, it's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
One of them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Three were gonna make official the official audio time, but
the visual always drops at six pm on YouTube same day.
So yeah, this has been a great conversation. A lot
of clip worthy stuff already can see gonna get go up.
So anything else you want to add in or speak
on today.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Always listen to the voice in your head, because I mean,
whether it's short like that's really that's God talking to
you or not. And I mean people will sit there
and now a question, how do you know? What's the difference?
You know? So listen to that voice in your head.
And like I said, you just gotta keep that keep
that compass towards your purpose at the end of the day,
like everything you know that we're talking about, Yeah, that's

(01:00:57):
really like that, that's the and remains self away. Yeah.
So that's that's all I really got to say.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Alright, sounds good. All right, y'all, that is all we
got for today. Thank you for tuning in to the
live stream. Make sure y'all tune in on Thursday PSA
signing out. Always remember keeping hit up like you neck curve,
remember who you are, make your mind up, don't let
it make you, and remember, as always I love us
for real