Transform Your Mental Health: Explore VR Therapy Today! Feat. Terrance Williams

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Are y'all and like that, weare here for a season seven episodes featuring
my board Terrence Williams. Okay,so this episode is a good one because
when we talk about decision making,we talk about those that feel loss.
Now they're making it to where virtualreality is gonna be a thing when it
comes to mental health. Okay,and this includes a lot of different things.

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Okay. This includes how Terrence talkedabout how he started his Meta Wellness
all right, his founding net company, and how he's been used to help
push VR and mental health. Okay, this is a lot of VR simulations.
You know, I said, Ihave made the comment that it can
be used for people who maybe strugglewith like forgiveness or something and then they

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maybe create like a hologram or somethinglike that, you know, to where
say the person die and you knowthey may help you with your forgiveness process
because you know, sometimes people wholegridgis of people that passed away. I
did say that. But anyway,we also talk about the dangers of VR.
I break up, I robe outa lot because as we see,
the futures become a reality. Okay, and it's kind of scary when you

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think about it. But VR canalso help with relaxation and mindfulness. It
can help with social skills for thosewho maybe don't know one how to talk
to the person or how to pullyou know, you're trying to date somebody,
you can maybe use VR to helpwith that. You know, it's
crazy how things are advancing right infront of our eyes, so when you

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probably think also it can help withpain management too. That's something else.
So this one is a good one. You know. Also, I also
I talk about them because VR andsocial media, I talk about how they
correlate, but I use that tooas a same way to talk about how
have y'all seen on TikTok Did thesepeople live in in vans and like this
they lifestyle? I give a rantabout that at the beginning of the episode,

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so please tune in for that.But that's all this week. It's
gonna be a good one. Sitback and enjoy. People think we're gonna

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realize that tore and n tender andall the stuff, it wasn't that long
ago. Yeah, I mean ifyou think that maybe like thirty years ago,
but that and the span of justhow fast technology has just increased,
it's going to be incredible. They'redeveloping that as well, and um,
that's going pretty cool, especially onthe education side because if I'm at the
university and I want to learn aboutall right, y'all, what's going on?
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it's another week, another episode.We're keeping them, I think next
week for y'all because all of themhave been with guests, which how I
supposed to be. But I thinkI'm gonna do another one by myself,
having decided fully yet. So ifyou see me with somebody, I don't
be surprised. But if you seeme by myself, you've been prepared.
So you see how I got thatgoing like that? All right? So

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this was the episode is a goodone. It's a little different because of
the topic because there's a difference betweenyou know, well, I ain't gonna
get too much of this, solet me get into the mean first and
then you make and see what kindof where we're going with it. This

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week's mean reads I'm gonna take off, I'm gonna log off and take care
of my mental health and living amoment. Also me spends entire day on
TikTok watching videos about people living inbands. All right, So we this
week episode is centering around like notjust social media, because when we think
of like I'm saying the virtual world. We just think of social media and

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the toxicity behind it, and itcan't be toxic, and so can't virtual
reality. But we're gonna into virtualreality today and just making a choice behind
that. And we don't get inthat in a minute. Like I said,
I don't want to get to aheadof myself. Now let's get into
this week's inspiration. So this week'sinspiration is honestly partially inspired by my guests,
but also specially inspired by See theThingiest podcast with mandyb and Bridget Kelly,

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and I'm gonna get to that ina minute too. And then my
other inspiration is just AI in general, artificial intelligence. It's taken over.
What does this have to do withour mental health? You know? Is
this something we should be afraid of? Is it something we should embrace.
I'm fifty fifty because I'm gonna utilizeit, but in the same breath,

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I don't want to. It's justa lot. We'll get into that.
You know, you think was itI robot? Because of music? Them
videos, not videos, but themthem. There'll be movies to be telling
y'all what's going on and what's aboutto happen. Got a mouthfunction, y'all.
They don't never have got a littlemouthfunction. That's what happens when you
do stuff live. You gotta leavethings open for in case of mishaps happened.

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That was definitely a quick lier mishappOkay, alright, alright, now
let's move into the good, thegood old segment Happy hour, all right,
And as we know, this ismy time to just kind of rant
real quick. So first of all, first thing I want to speak on.
I want to speak on See thething is podcast and I want to

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talk about how they had music SoulChild on there. And first of all,
love by Music Soulchial come up frommy iPhone. I don't know how
often, it comes up pretty frequently, right, And I've seen them on
there, and you know, it'sgood to hear people out see where people
come from because as far as likewhere they're being, you know, all
there because I ain't saying nothing aboutthat man. I don't know how long,

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but he was on there and hewas talking about the difference between the
world now and how of uz youknow, back in his time, you
know now he just feel like,ain't so much you can't do and that
you can do, but he saidon his end is more of what he
feels like he can't do, andhe says a lot of that has to
do with like social media and allthat stuff, and how didn't play the

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role and the first world that we'regoing into, But that's how he talked
about the difference between liking somebody soinstantly when you think of that, you're
gonna think of like, oh,I love you, that means it's better
than life. Not really, becausehim and Bridget Kelly and Mandy b that
was breaking it down how like,yeah, you know you love your mama,

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you love this first Bellman, youlike them, and Jay was talking
about like if I like somebody,that might be a little better than love
because it's I don't even like peoplenow. I'm not an antisocial person,
but I do feel like the worldwe live in now, it's easy to
be that and it's easy to justget caught up in virtue. The virtual
world, the almost said, thedigital world like digimond, but like just

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that that world, that that layerof you know, there's some sense of
I don't know how true it sees. You know, we got the shows
like The Circle where those people areliterally making connections in a house with people
or an apartment complex with people thatthey don't know, alliances that they could
body could be faking it. Youjust never really know. I think that

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that's interesting and just interesting to seelike where the world is gonna go moving
forward with all of this. That'swhat I'm interested to see. Now some
us want to talk about in themean I talked about how like you want
to like take care of your mentalhealth and not get too caught up in

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the virtual world, the virtual virtualreality, all the good stuff, social
mediall that stuff, right, Butthen in the same breath, you're getting
caught up on social media in thevirtual world, all that stuff. And
it's kind of like funny a littlebit of comment about the spits they tied

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down TikTok watching videos about people livingin vans. Okay, that's a real
thing, and I'm not going offexperience. I've seen it. Like I
literally got caught up in like awhat's it called. Is it a wormhole?
Ain't that what it's called? Orit's like a rabbit hole wherever hole
there go? And I got caughtup in a rabbit hole, and I

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was just looking at people living invans, and people really got hold of
this time my day starts. Theygot living in a van with my todd
love, you know. And Iain't gonna lie. As I was scrolling
through, I know it's the samething about all of them people. Now
I did see one African American ladywell hadad love, but everybody else.

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And it's funny because like I don'tknow my mind, like, don't get
it twisted from the outside looking atit, do look like it might be
kind of fun like if I needit for like a few days, like
Wika, somebody. These people reallylive at life, and I mean there's
some perks tool you know. Theygot the people who like, oh,
I can live on the ocean,you know, not on the ocean,
but you know, live on theocean front. You know, I can
live and anywhere I want to live, pack up a league. But me,

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I always got that brain like whatif like somebody come in, Like
what if you laying in the middleof the night, you're resting, right,
somebody come and just start shaking yourvein. You know what I'm saying,
shaking you're trying to up. Theygonna rob you because you got everything
in there. Because you're living inthere, so you got your wallet,
you got your your phone, yougot you know, whatever information needed to

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get you, so they could reallyjack What if they like open you up,
open up the van, like shookyou up, sugar, your man.
You're laying in the bed like thisand somebody just come in shaking your
ven. You're in there. Iknow you're gonna be terrified because you're gonna
wonder if it's an earthquake. Ifeel like if you were thinking somebody rob
you before earthquake. So now you'rein them up like this, they're shaking

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your van, and now you justlike what do you do? What can
you do? Nothing? You haveto literally later until they open the door.
You could try to call the police, but what's the likelihood of that.
Then? My thing is that somebodymade a comment of and that's this
is why I said people nasty.But it shows you what you what you

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need to be watching where you'd begoing. Because it was one dude who
was like, oh, A lotof people said that. It was like,
oh, I get a nationwide gymmembership and then they just take a
shower in the gym. Can't cool? I mean I do different time time
too. But they said if theycan't get to a gym, they rent
off in the nearest body of water. And they was like they typically go

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to the ocean and just kind ofrent off. I ain't feeling that that's
weird, Okay. I want tosay this's weird, like it's like I
mean, it is, but I'msaying also from the angle of like,
I don't know, it's interesting tosee. It's something if you haven't looked
into it on TikTok looking to itbecause you might you might learn something new.

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And I did learn something new.And there's a whole bunch of other
stuff on TikTok can get lost in. But we're gonna getting out that today
now. As I told you,I do have my guest today and somebody
who I think this episode is gonnashed some light on a lot of different
things. So I'm interested to seehow this is gonna go. Um,
there's anything else I want to sayabout him if you introduce him. So

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that's really it, okay, Solet's go ahead and do it, all
right, my boy? What's goingon? What's going on? What's going
on? Man? Pleasure to behere? Yes, sir, how you
feeling. I'm good. I'm good. I'm gonna be here and shed some
light person stuff about the virtual worldand state of mental health and social media
and all that aspects. So hereand talk about it, all right.

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So obviously, like I said,my people can see you on the visual
but audio wise tell the people.But what's your name? Where are you
from? And where you live now? Right? So my name is Terris
Williams from Newport News, Virginia,and I am also from where I live
right now in Orlando, Florida,and I currently right now, I've a

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company called Metal Wellness, and we'vebuild virtual reality platforms for mental health professionals
so they can hold their cell healthsessions, exposure therapy, all types of
stuff in the metaverse for mental health. And we're doing that for a few
years now and it's been going prettywell. Okay, so you've got some
good stuff going on, all right. Don't need too many people who have

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that. So that's something new,okay, the virtual world, real quick.
So the virtual world has been aroundfor a little while. Now,
where do you think that it's gonnago? As far as do you think
we've seen? Let me say askthis, do you think we've only just

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scratched the surface, or do youthink we're getting kind of to like a
completion kind of if that makes sense. So we've we haven't even nearly even
started scratching the surface. Honestly.The things that we're gonna be able to
do with VR and AAR and AIand all this type of stuff and then
next fifty years is going to bepretty pretty progressively, moving pretty fast,
pretty much on the mental health side, Like right now, when we talk

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about virtual reality, if you thinkof like telehealth, right now, it's
through through zoom or like we usea laptop to communicate with each other.
But virtuality is that next step,and the next step after that is going
to be even more impressive. Weare already talking about how in the next
fifty years it may be possible thatAI and VR will just complete, well
just AI in general, not evenVR will just completely just cause there'll be

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no more therapists, there'll be nomore mental health professionals and everything, because
AI will be so advanced that I'llbe able to fix your mental state for
you, you know, if you'refeeling depressed and type of stuff. They
don't put your assimilations and understandings towhere you can fix these type of issues
for you and I even some aowthat just medicine in general. We look
at how medicine is already used forcertain types of stuff. It's the only
a matter of time, you know. We think about elon. Plenty of

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chips in people's heads, so I'mgonna be a matter of time before they're
able to start be able to affectemotions and things of that nature. And
that type of stuff is coming whatnext year? Yeah, got that.
It's It's pretty wild. You know. I'm interested. I'm interested and terrified
at the same time to see becauseeventually, you know, you heard about

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it, but you knew it wasgonna was coming. Like you knew eventually,
teachers are going to be completely replaced. You know, they saying cops
I've seen, I did, UmI do people well, I do.
I write on the side for peoplewho need some help. But um,
I remember doing some research one timeand found out that they were trying to
replace cops, and that they tryingto replace basically every not every, but

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most of these places. I'm suregrocery store workers will be replaced. I'm
sure, you know, library everythingis gonna pretty much be replaced. And
that's crazy because we literally seeing thedoor open, but like you said,
I don't even think we walked throughit. I think they literally just starting
to open in California and they releaseda robot that as the authorization for to

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kill that type of stuff. Andthen they've already opened the McDonald's that doesn't
have any employees in there. Amazon'sopening stores where you can just literally there
will be no workers there. Youcan just grab the cart, it'll just
scan your Amazon whatever, and you'rejust gonna go. So, like all
this type of stuff is, it'sreally already started. It's just gonna really
pick up a lot faster. Peoplepeople think we're gonna realize it's already and

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and Nintendo and all the stuff.It wasn't that long ago. Yeah,
I mean if you think that maybelike thirty years ago, but that and
the span of just how fast technologyhas just increased, it's gonna be incredible.
I just saw the other day theyreleased a whole metaverse versus reality.
Like you can think like like paintball, but it's like it's like a paintball
arena, but it's actually just alldeveloped for metaverse and they have drinks,
cocktails, they have all types ofstuff. It's a real nice area and

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it's it's it's crazy, but thatstuff's coming for sure. That's wild.
Now I always have a section fordefinitions. I only have one but for
this week. So when you hearthe word virtual, what's the first thing
that comes about it? H WhenI think the word virtual, I think

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of um an alternative experience of reality. Yeah, it's it's it's gonna be.
What they're trying to do is makeit as real as possible, and
eventually they will get into where itlooks like Ready Player one or the Matrix
or all this type of stuff.But yeah, that's gonna be an alternative
reality where a lot of people aregonna be doing a lot of different things,

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whether it's gaming, dating, likeI know couples that have met and
in the metaverse and are literally marriedtill this day. And I mean it's
like the stuff like that, youwould think it's just it's unfathomable. But
you know, there's even I evensaw in La they're opening up a strip
club that just has robots dancing,like the stuff that's cub it is.
It's weird, but it's it's coming. So I'm a quote get on that

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and say, let me go overthe definition from definition sou dot com.
So it says virtual the definition isalmost or nearly as described, but not
completely or according to a strict definition. So in that case, I think
that based on what you have sayingwas being presented thus far, it's about
the same. And the whole robotthing, the robot stripless. That's some

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Futurama stuff. Like literally that's funnybecause I literally think about they were in
a strip club. I'm sure onseveral episodes, but it's one in particular.
I remember futur on Back from theDay and they was in there and
they was like, you know therobots that Miles didn't move, but it
was just light up when they talked, and they used to be saying stupid

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stuff like that and they'd be pamand beer or something stupid. I don't
know. It was wild, butI was at a battle Family Guy in
Futurnta when they both started coming out. I watched Futuramaba was way more into
Family Guy for sure, but it'slame. But I felt like because they
used to come on Cartoon Network orlike when we was, you know,
years ago at the same time.I think they still do. Actually I

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don't know for a long time,and I think they might have came back,
but I remember vividly like feeling likeFuturama was the appetizer of a family
guy because the family guy was waymore, way more raunchier anyway, and
I feel like it was like theappetizes ever see anything like the family gout.
It was like Simpsons on steroids.It was it was wild and then

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it's crazy, is they only gotworse? Yeah? Yeah, but you
know back then, like the stuffthey're saying now, like it's way too
soft of a society, Like thestuff they were saying now with like they
said that chilled. This is liketo this day and they still do kind
of like you know, you know, dance on the lines. But they
were way disrespectful back in the day. They didn't have your fat trans yay.
They were coming for everybody. Theydidn't care. They didn't care.

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And now it's like I think theymake like you said, I'm gonna have
to tap into some new episodes tosee what I can see, but they
definitely be seeing them on Hulum checkthem out one day yeah, but they'll
probably do it soon. All right. So now let's move into what does
this have to do with mental health? So now before well, while we're
here, let me ask you.Can you share with us the decision making

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process behind finding of being the founderof mental wellness? And then how you
identify the need for virtual reality stimulationsin the mental health profession. Yeah,
that's a great question. So one, it was like four years ago my
friend was telling me about the metaverse, telling me how you can learn the

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code and build virtuality platforms and allthis stuff, and the way he sold
me, he just basically sold me, and I was just like, all
right, I'm a believer. SoI went in there, bought a party
of Oculus goggles, went in therewas like, holy crap. I looked
up. There were birds flying.It was just like, it's an unreal
experienced I never experienced before. SoI was like, I want to get
in this now before you know,this really blows up. So I just

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started learning how to code, howto build this stuff in there. And
then and over time, mental healthprofessionals just started reaching out saying, hey,
could you build me this? Couldyou build me that? Because I
was already building like homes in theirparty, like event parties, like conference
center. It's like all types ofstuff for people. But I just started
getting more requests on the mental healthside. And what I've come to learn
is mental health is so it's soespecially on the men's side, it's really

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overlooked. If you're looking in theUnited States, the number one cause of
death for men under age forty fouris homicide and the second cause of death
is suicide. So we're either killingeach other or we're killing ourselves. And
you know, we look at otherstate countries in the West, like the
UK, where the number one causeof death is suicide. It's a lot
of men's mental health that is justreally you know, being an overlooked in

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society. So you know, Ijust wanted to get out there and build
these things that men can have aplace to healing and stuff. So I
built platforms where men can come andhave a community center, or like for
teenagers, for example, I builda community center for kids that had suffered
from gun violence or traumatic gang violence, and I have a community center where
they can come play basketball, playwhack and moll do all types of stuff.

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It's just really like think like thewoods and girls club, but just
in a virtual way. And thenalso we built like types of stuff or
it's like for group settings like alcoholanonymous where people are coming in the digital
spaces being really really open. Soyeah, life is a man as hard
and you know, being and doingall this has really taught me that.
And you know the effects of itin the less is is growing a lot
and you know, many more platformsand failability to be able to express themselves.

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Well, yeah, that was definitelylike I said it was. It
was a long, short story,but I think that it was. It's
funny how everybody, how God usedpeople to do the same stuff in different
ways, and how the ultimate goalme and you two different goals, but
to just open up the duor formental health as far as you know,
regular people, you know, justhaving these conversations and making it to where

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everyone not everyone, but try Thegoal is to make it sure everybody feels
comfortable, you know, speaking onthese things and having these conversations. So
like I sell people all the time, not a professional, and I'm just
a person who goes get the professionalsand other people who want to have the
conversation and just so we can kindof we can we can we all in

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this together? Kind of Yeah,absolutely, that's how it should be.
So now so then you wanted tohelp with mental health, So how do
mental health professionals? How do theyview what you're doing? So a lot
of the older crowd doesn't get it, like people are like there's like fifties,
sixties, they don't get it.They're cool. They don't even like

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doing Zoom. They rather people comeface to face and talk to them.
Younger generations. These therapists they love. They typically love the concept and what
I'm trying to do. I'm nottrying to take over Zoom. This is
just an alternative from having Zoom services. And just the technology within the headsets
are gonna grow and it's gonna beable to expand George for therapists, etcetera.
For example, they're they're creating itthe technology within the headsets to where

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if you're in and you only speakChinese and I'm in New York and I
only speak English, You'll still understandme. Um it felt I was speaking
to you in Chinese and I'm speakingEnglish. So just the language barrier,
I'm just gonna be able to bebroken in therapist we're able to have a
bigger clientele with people who they canaffect in the long term as well.
So yeah, okay, and evenbefore so it was just up until recently

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you really started to get into likethe metaverse and stuff like as a kid
anything, was you want to likethe virtual um from skate my Space days?
My Space? Yeah, man,top ten, I had time.
I'm bro like, yeah, forsure, I love Yeah. I was
always like a big attack. LikeI have a digital market company that I
started five years ago. I stillowned that today as well. Um,

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really being into the social media aspectof Like I had my Space, I
didn't have was it what was thatblack People? What was the other one?
Bibo? Nah, it was ablack one before my Space Black was
it black Planet? I think itwas black Planet or something like that.
I didn't have that, but therewas something like that that was run but

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I didn't have that. Oh yeah, my Space. And you know,
I still use a whole bunch ofthe sub today. So I've always been
in the tech um and always hadlike my actual like business license under a
technology company. So I've always justloved what technology could do and what it's
gonna do for sure. For sure, all right, So I've got some
statistics real quick. It says thatmental health and virtual reality. It says
A study conducted by the University ofCalifornia, Los Angeles found that virtual reality

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exposure therapy can be effective for treatinganxiety disorders, including PTSD and social anxiety
disorder. The study reported that eightypercent of participants who receive virtual reality exposure
therapy shows significant improvement in their symptoms. So, y'all, we got some
statistics. This is news to me. Is it news to you? Um?

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No, it is not. MYou know, when the longer you
start, you know you're being incoming had a confet years, you start
just learning different things about stuff.And because I'm not a mental health professional,
so coming in, I was justbuilding this stuff out for them.
But over time, you're gonna learn. So like if you have if you
don't know anything about ice cream,but your friends, you know, they
love ice cream. One works foran ice cream polor they see the Eventually

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you're going to learn something about icecream, you know what I mean.
So kind of just how it is, just in the field, just started
learning a whole bunch of different stuff. But yeah, so when it comes
to exposure therapy. That's probably themain way people have been using virtual reality.
We've created platforms to where people haveclaustrophobia and they go into an elevator
and the elevators or is closed onthem. It starts the wall start shaking,

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the wall starts shrinking that on them, and it starts getting a lowed.
So it helps them be able toconquer their fear and the exposure side
of that and conquered fear. We'vedone stuff or people are afraid of heights,
build them in a plane they canactually feel like they're flying in a
plane. Stuff like that. We'vedone stuff, you know, all different
types of stuff, even when anorexia, things like that. We've created platforms
where they can go in and actuallylearned how to eat food again. Um

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so like yeah, so we've beendoing a lot of really early basic stuff
and a lot of these ideas theycome from therapists, but they also just
come from like parents. I've hadeven a concern Mom hits me, hit
me up the other day saying thatshe needs a platform to help her sign
that suffering from from a disorder.So, um, people people all over
seeing the effects. I believe theoverall old brows as time goes onto.

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No, that's good. Like Isaid, it's funny. All this stuff
is new. So it's just crazybecause this is new, and it's twenty
twenty three. By twenty thirty three, words is gonna be there twenty forty
three, it's just gonna keep advancingand leveling up. Yeah, and so
you name a few things. Andthen my next note talks about how VR
exposure therapy for PTSD. It saysa study published in the Journal of Lancis

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Psychiatry found that VR exposure therapy waseffective as traditional exposure therapy for treating PTSD
and military veterans. The study reportedthat fifty two percent of participants will receive
VR exposure theory therapy no longer methoddiagnostic criteria for PTSD, compared to forty
one percent of those who have receivedtraditional therapy. And then it also talks

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about VR for pain management. Thisis crazy. A study publish in this
Journal of Pain found that the VRdistraction was an effective tool for reducing pain
and patients with chronic pain. Thestudy report of that participants who receive VR
distraction reported significantly less pain intensity andless emotional distress. During a painful procedure

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compared to those who did not receivethe intervention. It is also say it
treats phobias and anxiety. All right, so introducing in a weird way the
information introduced what he just said,and then you know, lay it out
of it too. But it's justcrazy because they have a lot of times
they say with pain in general,a lot of times they say it's phantom

(28:55):
pain especially you know, so it'sall in your head anyway some cases.
Um, but that's what that's wild. That's wild. So my mind is
blown. I'm trying to hide itlow key. But like when you first
found out this, if mentioned wasyour mind like I was. I was
mind blowing the first day I juststepped into the VR in general and then

(29:17):
uh yeah, like I get reallyjust excited and just mind blowing when these
people just coming with these amazing ideasand like PTSD for one, is one
that we get a lot of theveterans who suffer from, you know,
post radic stress, and um,the VA loves it. It's one of
the big membvers of the whole versefor stuff. VA actually loves it because

(29:37):
the veterans, like you said,they're seeing the actual because the whole point
is it helps you control your fear, right, Like, if I can
re recreate your fear or recreate somethingthat's holding you back, and over time
you can progress and learn how toadapt and grow from it, you're gonna
get better over time, especially mentally. Right. So yeah, for sure,
and I loved it, Like Ididn't even plan on that this episode.

(30:02):
But again, when it comes toalways with decision making and maybe for
some people who say they may needto try to v our way people conquer
fears and need some hot percentages.So you know, I'm not even the
big numbers person, but the percentageis pretty high, so that means it's
working. Yeah. So, now, how do you believe that virtual reality
can revolutionize the mental health industry andparticularly particularly in terms of like diagnosis and

(30:27):
treatments. We kind of talked abouttreatment, but more sub diagnosis. Well
that's a good question because I thinkAI is going to probably play a way
bigger part than that. Um.I think just on the exposure side,
and just more articles of research thatkeep coming out when we keep using it

(30:48):
more that will keep coming up aswell, so that will be able to
you know, find evidence of that. But yeah, I think I think
the biggest part of what AI isgonna be able to do. It's gonna
be able to quickly diagnose people andquickly treat them within like a matter of
seconds, if even that, Andthat's where I think eventually it will go
too. But I think that's gonnabe on the physical side as well.

(31:10):
People don't realize AI it's gonna be. It's it's either gonna be a very
good thing or a very very badthing. So you know, I'm really
interested to see how it's gonna go. Even I was talking the other day
and he was saying, it's notthe fact that AI is either good or
bad. It's just that if there'san ant hill and you need to build
a bridge, you're just gonna dowhatever you gotta do to get through that
anthill to build a bridge, youdon't even think about the ant And the
AI is gonna be the same way. If it has an objective, it's

(31:33):
just gonna lose forward that objective doesn'tmatter of human life is in the way
or etc. So, yeah,it's gonna it's gonna play as part for
sure. Now, as a mentalhealth advocate, how do you think means,
you know, us men's decision makingis impacted by like society, expectations
and other pressures. And then like, what do you think we can do

(31:53):
to like address this, Like whatdo you think now? Obviously I know
VR in some way will be apart of it, but what do you
think we could do as of now? So one of the biggest things that
I see wrong, especially with therapyand why men probably don't go to therapy.
I think it's two reasons why.But one reason is I believe that

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men therapy is treated like it's womentherapy. Men and therapy are treated with
love and accepted and want to beaccepted. But what men really truly will
need to be is powerful and respected. If you give a man a purpose
and in a direction and a viewof how to get there, there's nothing
that man won't go through to getto that. You know, he'll walk
through a burning building, he'll stepon glass with a smile, He'll have

(32:36):
to go. He'll go through thosethings because men were built to suffer.
That's just how I created. We'recreative suffer. But if you give us
a purpose, you know we'll dealwith that suffering. And you know I
think just in the mental health ingeneral. You know, it's it's a
lot of lacking that's going on aswell. So I like that you said

(32:57):
that it's a different way to lookat and when you that men were built
to suffer. I definitely think thereare a lot of areas that we have
to We're going to go through ahard that's just how it is. And
you know, it's interesting just tosee like we really don't have it hard
and a lot of areas prepare tolike the men degeneration before us, that's

(33:17):
what's crazy. Yeah, yeah,And you know, I don't know,
and at different ways we have itharder in different ways in general, especially
like with dating right because the datingmarket social media has just decimated the average
man's chances of getting like a goodtraditional woman. Nowadays, it's it's just

(33:37):
full of hot girls, and youknow, it's it's hard for a lot
of those men that even get noticedby them because they are all getting dm
by the guys with the blue checkmarksor the guys with status and c.
And they're choosing them. But there'sa lot of guys that are generally lonely,
like I know, men that aregenuinely lonely out here, and couldn't
you know the girls that they thathe does have, he doesn't even want,

(33:58):
but he's out of he's with theout of necessity, and there's a
lot of guys that are doing that, and it's it's traumatizing because the second
part of why I think men goto therapy is I think women were our
therapy. We needed our women tobe our healing factor. When we were
down and we were out, wedidn't have any energy left or our women
that gave us our energy. Andthat's what they had back in the day.
The traditional woman was at home backin the day. And when that

(34:19):
man that was his suffering, he'sdealing with the bs at his job,
dealing with the bs from his peers, his family, whatever, he's going
through. His woman, just herbrightness and her her positive attitude and energy
healed him. But men don't havethat nowadays. Men are more single now
than ever, women are more singlenow than ever. So with that now,
because you'd led into a conversation Idon't even that I was gonna have
today, but I'm glad you didthat. What do you think about these

(34:43):
blue check these fake check marks?The man I think it's it's not for
me. I'm gonna say that.I'm I'm gonna say that. Now,
if you're trying to promote a brand, and you're generally trying to promote the
brand, there are advantages for it, but I think it's not. It's
it's just not for me. AndI think as a brand for Facebook and
Instagram, it's kind of just tookaway from the the validity from it.

(35:07):
Like when you had a blue check, you know that person earned it.
You know what I mean. Nowit's just like anybody can get it,
so you know, what comes easy, it's not valued. So now that
it's easy, it's not gonna bevalued. My logic is I won't mind
when to come. I don't wantto force it because it's gonna feel it's
gonna feel better. I don't evenknow, Like when you get one dude,

(35:27):
you like, I'm gonna set audition, But do you like send them
to reach out to them? Dothey reach out to you? I don't
even know. I don't want toknow until this time. Yeah, I
think they need to reach out toyou or there is like a verification process,
but I know people that have beenlike waiting to get verified for years
and now you just pay fifteen dollarsto get it, Like, I'm good.
I don't want that. No,Like if I was on something funny,

(35:47):
what I am a troll, Butif I was on something like real
troll and stuff, I would doit on some funny stuff like I only
respond like on something stupid funny.So like, oh, I only respond
if you gotta check by your name, Like, well, it's gonna help
that man. See, you canhave a blue check mark, so when
he slides in DMS, the girlsare gonna see his DMS first. Now,
So I mean, how you thinkhow you think they're looking? You
got two hundred followers and you're following, Well you can buy followers too,

(36:14):
now, well you could ben dothat, but I always thought that was
I'm not mad a man are usingblue check marks to get girls. I'm
not mad because look at women usemakeup to get guys. So hey,
it's affair. And you know,girls say that hats his wigs for dudes.
Come on, man, we can'thave always it was gonna shape up.

(36:35):
Look, I hear that they saidthat hats Some girls said they wigs
for dude some dudes. Some somesay that they're makeup for dudes. I
will admit sometimes people are looking totallydifferent, even me, Like I look
the same, but like when Iput on a hat and dude, it's
like a give a different look.I ain't gonna I feel like it depends
on the person's head. It alsodepends on like if that person is bald

(36:57):
or something. I mean, they'retrying to I don't know. I've never
been a hat guy, so Ican't really I can't. I can't vouch
for it, but I mean,yeah, who cares. They got stuck.
They still got makeup, eyelashes.You know, they can get bigger
bronze, they can get their boozedup there. But done, Like,
come on, let's let's at leasthave a hat. I'm sorry now,
all right, So let's moving tothe other segment. I challenged that he

(37:22):
and y'all been liking this segment.I've noticed because I'm basically going against the
grain. And so now before Igo against the grain, let me ask
you this. So, as amental health advocate, once again, what
do you think are some of themost present issues facing men's mental health today?
Now, honestly, low key,you're kind of named a handful of

(37:44):
things, so let's go recap forthose that wasn't paying attention. We talked
about um obviously, you know,men changing up what they used to go
to as they piece UM got me. Yeah, men, The fact that
you know, men in therapy,they get treated as if they're women in
therapies because most of you know,therapy is dominated by women. Women.
Seventy percent of therapists are women.So when they're going in there, they're

(38:06):
they're treating these men as if,you know, how they were treating woman
naturally. And like I said before, women want to feel love and accepted,
but men want to feel respected andyou know, and feel powerful.
You know, that's just that's justthe nature of how we are, and
that doesn't happen with therapy. Soit kind of show us away because it
doesn't feel like we're getting anything outof it. And then we go home.
We don't even have a woman athome to give us, so we're

(38:28):
double we're double messed up, youknow what I mean. So that's that's
interest. And then the whole factof we talked about the whole blue check
thing. We talked about how likeit's everybody people are more single. Yeah,
than they've ever been and because welive up in a hookup culture and
like I said, we've been doingthe whole DM and inboxing thing for at

(38:51):
least fifteen years now, and nowit's going to go past that. And
I think, what's that show tocome on Netflix? Black Mirror? Like
yeah, and it was something wherethey had the virtual reality and the people
meant in the game and that theywas dating in the game. Never seen.
I know people like that. That'sall for real. I know people

(39:12):
like that. So now with thatleading to my next question, I'm sure
this is kind of like, youknow, we could be here all day,
but in short and maybe you cangive a brief scenario. Do you
think there are any negatives that comewith virtual reality? Well? Yeah,
for one, you know what canhappen, Well, what may happen,
especially for a lot of people,is that they're gonna, you know,

(39:36):
forget the fact that there is actual, real life reality out there. I
feel like the more that VR expands, the more people will spend time there.
So the more people are spending timevirtually, there will be naturally spending
less time in reality. Like applesgetting ready to drop their headsets and everything.
App people use from Apple, Likeeverything Apple has people use. I

(39:57):
don't know anything that Apple is madethat people don't use to that. They
still will use eyepads, they stilluse live types, et cetera. When
they dropped their headsets, it's gonnabe a game changer too. Yeah,
and then Microsoft is already saying theywant to put all their teams and meetings
in the metaverse and virtual, soa lot of stuff is going to be
coming up a lot faster. Soit's it's gonna be really interesting. It's
funny because all that has happened becauseof COVID. Really that's what really ushered

(40:20):
is all in. But now areyou in the gaming? It all Call
of Duty mainly? Okay, Nowwhat happens when they make a V version
of that? That's what I'm saying. They they actually have a place now.
They built a facility and the wholefacility is in VR, and it's
like a Call of Duty theme andit looks really it looks really really dope.
Like you get in there, youget like a gun, and you

(40:40):
get you get the headsets. Butthe facility is like like maybe twice the
size I don't know, maybe likethe size of like a basketball court,
so you have that whole facility tomove around in VR. And like I
said, they have a whole bar, they have food you can order and
sit down and stuff. So they'recreating the facilities already in there aren't already

(41:00):
have games And like then you canplay right now in the occulist that look
like Fortnite, um and it playsvery well just like it. So it's
come. It's coming a lot offaster, people think, for sure.
And that's the crazy thing too,because I think about, like how go
for the loads that don't know they'vebeen having VR games for PlayStation and I
think Xbox, I know, PlayStationand the PlayStation gun And with me,

(41:23):
I'm in and out with games.I really don't be having time, but
I'll be buying like my favorites likefrom when I was a kid. When
they do the remake, so whenthey m you know, add a sequel
and three quels all this crap.But um, they do have a VR
for a game Resident Evil, andthey have the heads set that you can
play the game and it's like you'rein the game. First of all,

(41:44):
if the game is scary like thisbecauld, you only imagine how it's gonna
be they put on the VR system, like seriously, like you'll be jumping.
Yeah, it's gonna be some hospitalbusiness for some shop for sure,
especially when you get into like thewhole or stuff, like, it's gonna
be crazy. I'm not doing themthat. No, yeah, no,
I don't think I could do Icould barely do it with the control.

(42:06):
I don't think I can do aview. I do want to try it
just as an experience, but Iwouldn't spend my money on it because I'm
not going now. I did hearmy friends they have the VR and they
do the boxing. They was like, we're in this whole fully sweating.
I said, I, you're fightingfor your life. Yeah, I've be
seeing videos people were doing boxing andactually punching a kid in the face and

(42:27):
stuff. So you give you wherehere to surroundings for sure. So this
is a simple question, and Ithink I know the answer just thus far.
You know how we've been in aconversation that's been going because you're talking
about therapy. We're talking about people, you know, meeting loves of their
lives. So I'm really not evengonna ask. I'm all gonna go state
it to the people that the wayit's going, you will be able to

(42:51):
get compassion and through virtual reality.And honestly, it may even help the
forgiveness process with people like get No. It's funny because he talked about earlier,
which I didn't plan on. Whenwe talk about conquering fears, right,
people are using VR to conquer fears, So now why couldn't it be
used to help you with the forgivenessprocess. Again, we only talk about

(43:13):
forgiving people because they deserve it.It's for you and unforgiveness be having a
chokehold on people. And it's justlike to think, what if you could?
They could? I'm thinking in myhead, I'm a little off,
but somebody creating a scenario of theperson who you had an issue with,

(43:35):
say you don't want to see themover there, you'll never see them again,
whether they you just can't get incontact with them or they day God,
because you know some people hold grudgualpeople that have died. Yeah,
and like creating a virtual reality ofscenario of y'all going through talking whatever situation
out, Yeah, And then Ilike, to me, that's crazy you're

(43:59):
trying and like that horror side andthen that virtual side and then put together
with the love perfection. I seewhat you're doing. Yeah, that would
be that would be tough because Ican see what you're what you're saying by
that, because I think it woulddefinitely help people, especially people that are
are struggling with like a loss ofa loved one and they can't get that
type of stuff. Filling the simulation. I think that's how AI is gonna

(44:20):
play in effect too, Like youprobably have to tell AI to like act
out and just you know, pretendto be somebody forever and they can do
that right. Like you see,I'm a writer, so like when I'll
be using chat GPT, it'd behelping. It'd be you know, helping
with ideas and like you know,like save my mind like kind of stuck
or it is kind of like itget me going. But like if you

(44:43):
really go get if you say you'retrying to describe something right and you get
super and I'm gonna writer, it'slike get super descriptive and you say for
us to create a scenario what happenedand what you know, you it could
be scared because if you had ifyou do the whole love one thing,
you guess like you because like thisperson's day, remember that, right,
Like you know, look, butI mean we live in a society now

(45:05):
that at once, you know,fantasies and you know, people can pretend
to be wolves, people can pretendto be a lot more and self identify
for whatever they want. So Imean, hey, if you feel like
that's that's the real person, Like, nobody is to stop you in reality
anymore. So it's like the wholedefinition of reality is going to change,
like what is reality? You knowwhat? The whole definition of reality is

(45:29):
going to change because you know,they change the definitions of everything else.
So okay, So it says,while VR has the potentially be a valuable
tool and mental health, there arealso some potential negatives to consider. Here
are some statistics related to the potentialnegative. So it says, mind body
therapist Virtual reality can be used toprovide immersive experiences for my body therapist is

(45:52):
jogn tichi. These therapies can promoterelaxation, stress and improve is gonna help.
So now that's one of the goodones, supposedly. Okay, now
let's get to the this is abad one. It says, escapism and
addiction. A lot of this generationis addicted to enough. We don't need

(46:12):
nothing else, Yeah, it says. A study published in the journal Frontiers
and Psychology found that VR can bea form of escapism, which can lead
to addiction of the negatives on impactson mental health. The study reported thirteen
point five percent of participants who reportedsymptoms of VR addiction, and the VR
addiction was associated with the negative impactson mental health, including anxiety, depression,

(46:34):
and social isolation. And that's whyI kind of preface with that comment
of don't gas like yourself trying torecreate Yo. Oh, I just want
to see my grandma one more time, and then you say let me one
more time, Oh, one moretime, and then you get that reality
she's not here. Yeah, it'sbeen the movies about that. Like I
want to say, I think ofSmart House on Disney Channel back in the

(46:57):
day he took it back. Thatwas ninety nine, and it was funny
because it was if you used tothink, like, oh, these movies,
they just moved these movies. Movie. Now they're trying to tell you
what they got playing. That's gonnahappen, man, y'all wasn't listening listen,
man, they're already thinking they canmake us immortal in the next like

(47:19):
twenty years, like they are youtalking about Karen? All types of like
it's all right, I'm trying totell people. I feel like that Mad
Scientists when he's trying to tell everybodythe world's gonna end and nobody's listening to
him. I'm telling y'all what's gonnahappen. What's gonna happen is it's gonna
come off as the false piece andit's like, oh yeah, we got
all these things, and then it'sgonna be like our robot next thing,

(47:40):
you know, right, Like artisasfan from nineteen thirties and now is different.
Like they say a goldfish has moreof a partius fan than we do
now, and it's only gonna keepworse. Like the whole point of technology
is to make people lazier, tomake you as lazy as possible. Think
about it, like uber ees,you don't feel like going to McDonald's to
get your thing, I'm just gonnauber eat it to me, you know
what I mean? Like boom,it's all this is. It is just

(48:01):
it just is a way to makeus just lazier. And you know that,
And that's gonna be the negative sideof what's going to happen when we
are, like, what's gonna happenwhen people are just too lazy to really
just go outside and enjoy the warm, warm air and the warm breeze.
They're gonna rather just you know,get an alternative, you know, virtual
version on their headsets. That's whenit's really gonna get scary. Everybody's gonna

(48:24):
be locked down, and then here'sa plot twist. They're gonna be locked
down by choice and not because they'reforced. Right, Yeah, see I
can I can go into that too, because you know, it's that's that's
that's that's that's really true, becauseyou know, and the thing is,
you know, there was a bookabout this that people have these like these
type of headsets on but nobody reallycould tell the difference of what was real

(48:47):
was fake, and you know,the outcome was that people just decided to
stay virtual, and the people onvirtual thought they were you know, in
real life either matrix. So sonow what do you think ultimately what's that
I like? And then different whatdo you think is like both the fact

(49:08):
that virtual reality and social media aredigital technology, right, right? So
what can you say is how theyare alike, but then in the same
bit how they differ. Well.I think that social media is a lot
like virtual reality for the standpoint,like the virtue reality that is here now

(49:29):
is a lot of group community typeof building. When you think about Facebook,
Horizon Worlds, that is a groupstuff, the centraland discord. All
this type of stuff is going virtualand put people from a social standpoint of
looking at a screen to really justputting people onto a virtual standpoint. But
you still have that togetherness, likeif you have group chats or whatever conversations

(49:50):
and social media, you'll be ableto see those same things and a lot
of things that we use our phonesfor it's going to be already virtually too,
Like you can watch a whole basketballgame feel like you're feeling courtside and
watch it in the metaverse virtuality andreally feel like you're courtside too. You
can also watch that from your phoneor social media clips as well. So
it just dippl dabbles and takes alot of stuff from it. But I
think the main thing that makes itreally the same or really similar is the

(50:15):
fact that people are just disconnected fromjust reality and so you're on a phone.
Whether you're on a phone or alaptop, you're still disconnected to the
real world and virtuality is just anotherside of that absolutely. All right,
now, so let's move into theweekly sabbatical and we just feel to kind

(50:37):
of reflect real quick. All right. So, now, yeah, this
is funny, but it's just like, imagine if you had using the VR
and you like went back in time. It's to go like which I'm sure
that will happen. Oh oh,I think of Hey, it's a game
in episode. I think of Assassin'sCreed. I didn't play all of those,

(51:00):
but I'll remember playing the first oneand he was like a simulation and
he was going back in time andit was a legit simulation. And you
know, like what if you likewent back and like lived through like a
point in history. Oh yeah,looking on right now. Facebooks working on
to where you can like type inWillie Mammoths and you'll like be transported into

(51:24):
a time where Willie Mammonts are literallywalking by you. You can type in
Rome, you can see Julius Feesare speaking and all that type of stuff.
So yeah, they are, they'redeveloping that as well, and um,
that's going be pretty cool, especiallyon the education side, because if
I'm at the university and I wantto learn about you know, Harriet Tubman,
I get to actually see, youknow, different things played out virtually,

(51:45):
I'll be able to get a reallycloser feeling connection. And when I
write about her, I'm gonna belike, you know, be really way
more interested and connected when I writeabout her. So I'll say, you
might not say that because your skin, you got this skin. It might
be it'll be a glitch that day. Now you still fields are in the
field already though, yeah, youdid be Golvinus to go back and go

(52:07):
through a Bible story or something likethat will be nuts now, hopefull Well,
and that's the scary part too,because what they create the similation,
and it's different than would actually happened, you know what I mean. You
can kind of control the narrative wherepeople believe what they already do that in
school systems already they're already taking outthe you know, the critical race theory
and everything. So you know,you were to display these virtuality settings and
you know, fifty years from now, they're gonna have Beyonce looking white,

(52:29):
you know what I mean? Youdon't ever know. You never know,
now, So what can you nutinsWe kind of talk about us right now,
So can you tell the people discusssome of the key decision making skills
that you've developed as a leader bothin the mental health field that you've been
helping out with and be in thevirtual reality industry. Yeah, so with

(52:52):
both, I've learned a lot ofsimilar things, which is consistency is key.
You know, the more you consistentlywork on something, whether you're putting
in one sin at it a day, you have to gradually get better.
Is just the natural law of things. If you constantly work on something every
single day, you have to getbetter at it. And that's what I
did virtually. That's how I learnedhow to code and building this stuff,
you know what I mean. Ididn't go to school for coding. I

(53:13):
really suck at math, but Idedicated three hours a day to actually learn
the craft and build from there.And then you know, with everything on
both sides, it's going to comefailure. There's gonna come failure on the
virtual side, you know, melearning different things and growing and stuff like
that, and it's gonna be failure. As are just on my everyday life.
And you know, in anything thatyou do, you just have to
learn from it. You know,I've lost that love, I've lost that

(53:35):
business, I've lost jobs, I'llas friends, but I've always learned something.
And I think a lot of timespeople are afraid of failure, But
failure can just be just as beautifulas success if you look at it that
way, you know, because thebeautiful thing about failure, and I can
even argue that failure is more importantthan the success because when it comes with
failure, every time you fail,you've learned something. You don't learn anything
after you succeed it you've already won. You know. The success is just

(53:57):
all the amount of failures that addup to get that win. But the
lessons that you learned are way moreimportant than the actual actual w so M
and all these things will just teachyou to ad over time. So very
was virtually digitally, you know,no matter what aspect of your life for
show. So now you kind ofled into my next question, which is
interesting because I said. The nextquestion asked, can you said, share

(54:17):
any success stories from this whole metalwellness thing and anything that was noticeable notable
noticeable too were notable and noticeable that. Yeah. So I got an email
about a month ago. It wasa lady who then email title was helped
me help save my Son, whichI was like, wow, okay.
So I opened it up and shewas telling me how her son was doing

(54:39):
in orexia and how he doesn't hecan't eat, he doesn't know how to
eat when it comes to him pickingup, um, you know it just
every time you're trying to pick up, he just throws up. He just
can't do anything, and they haveto feed him through it too. So
she asked me, could I builda her reality setting to where it looks
like her kids and she has actualfood in there, and in there he

(55:02):
can pick up the food and ashe goes to bite it, the food
starts to disappear as if he's actuallyshowing it. And so absolutely so we
built that, redesigned her kitchen,had Burger's pizza all that type of stuff
in there, and then her sonwas using it. And literally last week
she hit me up and said she'sseen that he's doing a lot better.
He's able to actually eat a littlebit more food now and she's seen the

(55:25):
effects and she thank me for itand stuff like that really gets excited because
you know it's all about really makingreal change and really impacting people's lives definitely.
And like I said, we talkedabout a lot of scary stuff,
but we talked about a lot ofgood stuff with that too, and it's
it's definitely gonna be a lot ofgood abused correctly. But it's like with
anything. It's like money, right, money is not evil, but it's

(55:46):
the person who's using the money whatyou're doing with it. Same with the
VR. VR is not necessarily evil, however is what you're doing with it.
So stuff like that, you couldhave said that boy life, you
know what I'm saying. You didn'ttook some stress off that lady, right,
So for sure, try to putit in the world, you know,
much positive and hope that we getpositive back. Sometimes you get negative

(56:07):
and that's just part of life.But then again, if you're getting negative
stuff, don't ask you there's stilllesson learned from it. A well.
I heard it the only day too. There was saying if it's raining,
there's a rainbow, and if it'sstart, you know, look for the
stars because you know, no matterwhat your situation is, there's something's a
rainbow at the end of you knowthe rain and there's as darker as you

(56:27):
can always find the star if youlook higher enough. So for a show,
all right. So now if y'allwe need talk about, we always
give y'all some tips of things thaty'all can utilize to help you with this
whole vall war, because ultimately youcan try to fight it. But I've
learned and he's in kind of sharemore light on its gonna happen whether you
want it to or not. Sohere are several strategies from reputable sources that

(56:49):
can showcase how to utilize VA formental health. All right. So the
first one is exposure therapy. Wekind of talked about it earlier, but
this has been shown to be effectivein treating disorders and exposed the individual to
fear stimulus and control virtual environments,kind of where we talking about earlier,
allowing them to gradually desensitize to thestimulus over time. So we always talk

(57:12):
about desensitization is a bad thing.In that case is a good thing because
it's like he said with the claustrophobiathing earlier, it's putting you in that
in the face of the of thebelly of the beasts, and now you
you know what you're gonna do.Relaxation and mindfulness. Virtual reality and virtual
reality relaxation and experiences can provide asafe and immersive environment for individuals to learn

(57:37):
and practice relaxation techniques such as deepbreathing and visualization. These experiences can be
particularly helpful for individuals who struggle withtraditional relaxation techniques or who are unable to
access in person relaxation services. Andthen the other one. I like this
one, and this is interesting becauseit is VR social skills training. It

(57:59):
says virtual reality social skills training canprovide individual with the opportunity to practice social
interaction in a safe and controlled environment. And it says this type of training
can be particularly helpful for individuals withsocial anxiety or autism spectrum disorders. And
yeah, there's good stuff because alot of people really struggle. And social

(58:20):
media has made that, you knoweven more. You know a thing I
had a friend. People said alwayssay, oh, he's so funny online,
he's so cool online. Then theymade him in person. He was
like, he was so quiet.I said, you know, yeah,
social media for sure, the wholething, whole thing and the last one,
like I said, which again canbe can be able if he but

(58:43):
exposure to positive experiences. It saysvirtuality can be used to provide exposure to
positive experiences such as nature or positivesocial interactions as we mentioned earlier, and
this can provokee promote positive emotions andimprove mental health. So some things,
like I said, things to comewith it. Again, I'm not gonna
sit here and say you should befearful of anything, because you see VARs

(59:04):
helping people conquer fears. But moreso when I was mentioning the jokes about
the eye robot and no, allthat good stuff, it's just more so
to be aware and just to SIMIbe prepared, but utilize the good size
that that do come with it aswell. So now, lastly, before
we move to the final segment,what advice could you get the individuals who
want to make better decisions, especiallyfor their mental health and like you know,

(59:30):
they wanted better to themselves and anyway possible in this age of social
media VR online platforms. Well,I think the first thing that everyone should
know and especially you know, manageand specifically is that you're in control of
your own narrative. You have theopportunity to create and become your own superhero.

(59:52):
If you want to be you know, the best banker, the best
you know, the best fighter orwhatever, you can really go through the
struggle and really take those steps anddo it. It really just comes down
to are you willing to And youknow, I tell people all the time,
like I don't feel sorry when peoplemake bad excuses for themselves. At
the end of the day, wasyour decision, and as a man,

(01:00:13):
you have to be capable and makegreat decisions because that's what makes a man
and man you have to leave.So if you're going through certain things and
you need an outlet, I'm tellingyou, seek therapy, seek whatever help
you have. But to sit athome and just blame the world for your
problems. The world doesn't care aboutyour problems, and unfortunately that's the harsh
reality of it. So the bestthing you can do is take care of

(01:00:34):
yourself and put yourself your mental health, your physical health and order. And
you know, I talk to alot of people that have dealt with certain
things like depression, and I alwaystell them, you know, for me,
I don't believe depression exist because ifyou change the thing about depression is
it's solid situational. If somebody isfat and overweight, they're depressed. Typically
if they lose that weight, youknow, magically the depression will leave.

(01:00:57):
You know. So a lot ofthe things that we go through to be
fixed with ourselves, we just gotto be able to, you know,
be real ourselves and be honest andsaying, hey, this is where I'm
lacking, this is where I'm weakat and you become get stronger at it.
You know, what's the alternatives,It's what you just sit around and
just move. There's there's so manythings that's going on in the world.
There's people being bombed in Syria.There's people that are literally going through so

(01:01:19):
much struggle, and we're gonna youknow, I'm not gonna feel sorry that
you just you feel fat and youknow, nobody wants to hear about your
problems. There's real life things goingon. There's people are waking up every
day not knowing where they're gonna eat. They're seeing planes fly over them,
They're seeing loved ones dead in thestreet, and you're crying because you're fat
or your girl left you. Comeon, man, oh lord, they're

(01:01:44):
gonna be throwing a day because I'msorry. You know, look, I
got I just like to prep people. You know, I don't like people
being you know him Bush, butyou know, to talk end that off
of what he was saying, it'sjust you have to I want to see

(01:02:04):
how I want to in this offin that segment off at least, I'm
just saying, yeah, you everybodywell in so many words, and like
I said, there are ways inmost cases to overcome everything you're going through.

(01:02:27):
And you know, he said ita tough love way. I'm gonna
be real with y'all. We dothat here. So a lot of y'all
need that. But you know,for those who maybe can't take that,
for those of us that may can'ttake that, I would say in a
nice way, he's basically saying,like you know, there, don't get

(01:02:49):
too caught up in the present ofwhat's going on. And although with the
VR stuff, a lot of timesthat that definitely time to tie it all
together. A lot of times that'seasy to do, you know what I'm
saying, getting lost in the moment, But what you have to understand is
there is another side of the rainbow, and whatever you're going through, whatever

(01:03:12):
it is you're struggling with whatever itis that you, like I said,
Like he said, you may say, oh I feel fat today. You
know, you have to put thatanger, that stress, whatever it is
you're feeling, whatever it is,and turn it into something positive. So
in the case we own the fatthing. So you feel fat or you
think you look ugly, there's somuch you can do to change that,
whether it is lose weight, whetherit's change up how you dress. Because

(01:03:37):
I'm telling you now, and thismight be a lot, it means,
but the ugliest people had the mostconfidence. So if they got the confidence
and you look great and you justfeel ugly, it's it's some things you
gotta get worked out. Therapy thathe mentioned, which that's the thing that
helps people out with that stuff.You know, it's so many ways to
go about, you know what Imean. But you have options to fix

(01:04:02):
your situation. And there's people inthe world that literally don't have any options.
So I think what a lot oftimes what people do is they look
at what they don't have, andI really realize what they do have,
and you know, we focus on, you know, the things that we
do have and you know, reallyjust appreciate it. Well, you know,
a lot of the will realize thata lot of things that we go
through aren't that deep. And andlike you said, you it's something you

(01:04:27):
can do because you might look likea foot, but damn it, you
can dress exactly. Also, stuffthey put that on that they ain't never
seen how you put that on.But you know that. And I especially
yeah, because men have the opportunity. They can you know, they can
build their wealth or status. Theycan get into the gym if you're short,
if you're five foot three, it'snot an excuse. You can still

(01:04:48):
get into the gym. You canstill learn game, you can still learn
what type of come on I comeon to have. You can still have
a successful business, you know,you can still be a winner, that's
all. And you have to alsounderstand two people this whatever you have,
somebody loves that. So keep thatin mind too. Just right, and

(01:05:08):
it's a process. It won't happenovernight, but it is definitely doable.
Trust me, it's coming. Trusttrust all right, y'all. So let's
move into the final segment, gametime. And this game is called reality
or virtual reality. So I'm gonnaname you. I'm gonna name several scenarios,

(01:05:31):
and I want my boy Terence hereto tell me whether or not this
is reality or this is virtual reality? Are you ready? Yep? Alright.
Your company is creating a simulation tohelp people overcome the fear of flying.
Is this reality or virtual reality?Virtue reality? Your company is developing
a simulation to help people learn howto play a musical instrument. Is this
reality of virtual reality reality? Okay, I'm wrong for a night now,

(01:06:00):
just one yeah, yeah, yeah. Your company is creating a simulation help
people prepare for job interviews. Isthis reality of virtual reality reality? Your
company is developing a simulation help peoplelearn a new language. It's reality of
virtual reality reality. But so theydidn't have rolls out of stones? Yeah

(01:06:21):
for sure. Whatever happened to hookedon Finics? What's hook on finals for
language? No? But I'm justthinking about it. I just I just
randomly thought about hooked on Finics becausethey need to bring it back. Yeah,
I remember that was a joke backin the day. You're hooked on
Finics? Yea, they all thejokes because COVID and missed these kids of

(01:06:42):
It's so sad to see. Allright, Um, your company is creating
a simulation to help people overcome thefear of spiders? Is that reality of
virtual reality? Oh, virtual reality? Your company is developing simulation to help
people manage their anxiety. Is thatreality of virtual reality? Virtu reality?
Your company is developing a simulation tohelp people learn how to cook. It's

(01:07:03):
a reality of virtual reality, realityfor sure, all right. And then
the last one simple. When yourcompany is developing a simulation to help people
practice public speaking, is this realityof virtual reality? Reality? All right?
Good job, okay, cool,cool, cool, All right,
y'all. So this week's question ofchallenge, it's just I'm asking what is

(01:07:27):
your take on We don't win offall this stuff, and I want you
to tell me what is your takeon virtual reality and mental health? Remember,
make sure y'all participate because we getwinners every month. First winner wins
ten dollars, Second winners wins fifteen, third wins twenty five dollars. Remember,
all you have to do is participatein the weekly questions of challenge.
Just tag me and in my storyand then boom, you're gonna get into

(01:07:50):
them into the drawing. All right, So we covered a lot today.
Conversation was great. I learned alot of love when I learned stuff on
the fly like this sure my offecialexpression when I look back and I have
to say, oh, really good, I didn't know that. So anything
you want to tell the people areadding before you go about you or just
about VR or anything else. Yeah, so on I can find me a

(01:08:12):
Terrence Williams VR. I believe everyoneis capable of success and a happy life
as long as you put into workand believe in yourself and even take resources,
you can get there. You know, it doesn't matter where you are.
It's all that matters is that youwin at the end of the day.
And you know, I truly believein that. And I, you
know, wish the best for everybody'smental health because I think having a strong

(01:08:33):
physical health is just one is havinga strong mental health for sure. And
I do have one question for youbecause I have this question I got to
ask my my IG today, SoI need your help real quick. It's
like cool, let's do it allright. So this is a little off
topic, but real quick, whyis it that when women become single they

(01:08:54):
pick up masculine roles, but whena man becomes single, he doesn't pick
up feminine roles. Is it becausethat masculinity is more linked to survival?
And if that's the case, whyis masculinity deemed as bad or toxic?
So first part, I think thatthey do it because, like you said,

(01:09:14):
it masculinity, you do it isit is, it's synonymous with survival.
And because femininity, in most cases, which is supposed to be,
it's deemed this weak or you know, and a lot of those you know,
the society. Steve Harvey wasn't thefirst person that started, but I
remember he was a big push withthe act like a letty thing like a

(01:09:35):
man. And so I think thatjust deciety we live in now where gender
roles is kind of all over theplace, and I think that's the part
of that where now everybody's like,well I'm gonna go I'm gonna be my
own man, and it's like aa ploy to like make yourself make them
feel better, but in reality youreally sad and you like trying to like

(01:09:58):
act like you know, do allthat. And what was the second part?
Um, It's just it's that youknow, it was about just you
know, if masculinity is rooted intosurvival, because like I said, women
do pick up more masculine traits whenthey are single, but man penetrate.
So if that's the case, thenwhy is masculinity just deeinged as toxic or
bad if it is rooted more sointo survival. Well, I think it's

(01:10:20):
not. It's remember it's like tosalt, it's good on you, fool.
Too much sought as a problem.So I think that it's just too
much masculinity. And you you seethem head haunchos to gems just in general,
the larry the lobster, to liftingwaists and getting big, but they
every pose like you're doing a lot. So I think when anything, it's

(01:10:44):
too much of it. Okay,you know, even with like how they
used to say men was in touchwith the feminine side when they used to
get the manicures, pedicures and selfcare. Now again it's saying, bro,
most women don't want a feminine manbecause it's like you know, of
course, it's like any saying withdudes, you don't want no supermasculine women.
Again, people had a fetishes thesedays. We ain't gonna get into

(01:11:06):
that, but you know, youtypically want a woman that got you know,
if she had too much masculin it'skind of like it's too much.
Yeah, and then it's vice versawith the women. So it's just like
I blame, I blame, Iknow, we ya yo, But I
blame a lot of that on musictoo, because they know they no think
it is. Yeah yeah, andthat's because social and virtually and all that

(01:11:28):
stuff as well. So yeah,y'all, these they're now, they're gonna
be doing virtual concerts and they're gonnabe oh yeah, the metaverse um like
a year ago. They're gonna bedoing a lullabys for y'all and y'all just
gonna be out of it and it'snot gonna be good. But all right,
y'all, we've had a good talktoday. I'm definitely gonna keep in

(01:11:49):
touch with him because yeah, wegot some stuff to talk about. But
as I always, y'all tune innext week. I may or may not
be by myself. I haven't decideof it. But PSA signing now.
I always remember keep your heead oflike you Nick Kurt, remember who you
are and make your mind up.Don't let him make you

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