April 16, 2025 • 42 mins
Join Asha Christina Foster on Quality Queen Control as she welcomes Stephanie Umeh, a powerful prophetic Christian and acclaimed author of 'The Power of Fasting' and 'Deliverance and Demonology 101'.
In this transformative episode, Stephanie shares profound insights into the Kingdom of Heaven, the Courts of Heaven, and the crucial roles of legalism and repentance in strengthening your spiritual walk. Discover how to unlock your spiritual authority in Christ and navigate the complexities of spiritual warfare with wisdom and clarity.
Stephanie's unique perspective and deep understanding of these powerful spiritual principles will equip you to walk in greater authority and experience a deeper connection with God. This conversation is essential for anyone seeking to strengthen their faith and understand the practical applications of Kingdom living.
Keep up with Steph here - https://www.instagram.com/thestephumeh/
If you would like to download my FREE guide on Idolatry (trust me its good) Head over to my website If you would like a 1:1 Coaching session with me! Head over to https://www.ashachristina.com
If you have enjoyed this episode, please be sure to rate and review this podcast! Thank you for your time, thank you for listening and thank you for your support! And remember to always stay Kind! xo A
In this transformative episode, Stephanie shares profound insights into the Kingdom of Heaven, the Courts of Heaven, and the crucial roles of legalism and repentance in strengthening your spiritual walk. Discover how to unlock your spiritual authority in Christ and navigate the complexities of spiritual warfare with wisdom and clarity.
Stephanie's unique perspective and deep understanding of these powerful spiritual principles will equip you to walk in greater authority and experience a deeper connection with God. This conversation is essential for anyone seeking to strengthen their faith and understand the practical applications of Kingdom living.
Keep up with Steph here - https://www.instagram.com/thestephumeh/
If you would like to download my FREE guide on Idolatry (trust me its good) Head over to my website If you would like a 1:1 Coaching session with me! Head over to https://www.ashachristina.com
If you have enjoyed this episode, please be sure to rate and review this podcast! Thank you for your time, thank you for listening and thank you for your support! And remember to always stay Kind! xo A
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The more the Holy Spirit has the ability to express
themself in your vessel, the more that you'll be able
to walk in supremacy over those desires of the flesh.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Heavib It's Asia, Christina, Miss Quality, Queen Control.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
What is happening?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hello?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
How is everybody feeling happy Wednesday?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Today we have a very special guest, someone that I
have personally wanted to have on the show for a
while now. I've been following my girl Stephanie Ume on
Instagram and she is so powerful. She is one of
the only people that I can genuinely say has resonated
with me because of how she delivers her message.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
She is so clear.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
She offers so much insight about the Kingdom of Heaven,
the courts of Heaven, legalism, repentance, your you know, pray,
your demonology. She even has two ebooks on demonology as
well as fasting.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Which these key components.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Really helped to strengthen your spiritual walk and authority in
the things of Christ. So I'm really excited to have
Stephanie Ume on the show and to pick her brain
about her testimony and ask her some questions that will
help you guys gain insight on the things that pertain
to the Kingdom of Heaven. So, without further ado, thank
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you Steph for joining the show. Welcome to Quality Queen Control.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Thank you for having me. I'm excited to do this episode.
We've been planning it for a while, so I'm glad
we finally have gotten to it.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yes, exactly a little bit of technical difficulties, but I'd
pray that the Holy Spirit guides us and that we're
able to get this done successfully. So, Steph, I want
to go back into your story about the genesis of
how you came to Christ. I want this episode to
be a testimony. I know so many times we've follow
creators online, but we don't necessarily know what their story
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was and there honestly, it's not that often that we
get to hear their testimony if they don't just automatically
post it online.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
So tell me a little bit about that.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I was raised Catholic, I grew up in a I
went to Catholic school. I was so essentially I was
raised in the faith, but I was raised more so
in religion, and when I reached I would say fourteen
fifteen years old, I start to ask a lot of
questions about the world and about you know, just the
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way things operate.
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And when I.
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Start to interrogate the concept of religion, particularly Catholicism, I
started to have a lot of doubts about whether or
not I was I was believing the right thing.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And this is the thing.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
When I was younger, I had encounters with I wouldn't
say somewhere with the Lord, but they were other encounters
that I had where I knew there was a spiritual realm.
So I knew I didn't doubt that there was a
spiritual realm. What I start to doubt is is christ
Is this religion of Christianity? Is this the answer? And
so around that time I went agnostic. So I was.
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I explored different religions very superficially, like I dabbled in Islam.
I tried to see what's there Judaism, amongst other things
that I just settle on the fact that there is
a higher power. I don't think any religion has understood
who that higher power is.
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I think most.
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Religions are forms of control. And that's how I was right.
So I was like that for a little bit, and
I'd say around sixteen years old, my mom she had
a dream and she saw that there were three flowers
wilting in a in a garden, and she was given
a revelation that those three flowers were indicating there's three siblings, me,
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my sister, and my brother. The three of us there
was like a wilting spiritual and the Lord was saying,
you need to take action on this front. So my
mom says, Okay, I need to take my children to
this prayer me There was a charismatic prayer meeting that
was taking place at one of my former schools, and
when we went to this pyramed I did not want
to be there. I didn't want to be there. I
didn't believe. I felt like I was forced into something
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I didn't want to do. But I went because you know,
obviously this is my mom, so I'm just gonna listen
to her. So when we went to this this meeting,
they you know, after some time, I was just kind
of like, you know, you know, moving through the motions.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I wasn't really engaged because again I didn't believe.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
And at some point, now the Holy Spirit starts moving
and there was a woman there who started speaking by
the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and essentially just spoke
out my life story, like said, you know, you didn't
even want to be here. You don't have faith. You know,
you don't believe I am, I am the Lord. And
she said, you know this, she's speaking by the inspiration
of the Holy Spirit. And she says, follow me, put
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your faith in me and the Holy Spirit speaking through her.
And I had chills on my body because I was
thinking to myself, how did you know? How did you
do because at that time, I didn't know about like
the gifts of the spirit, how someone can inspire by
the Holy Spirit start to read your life history. So
when that happened, I said, okay, Lord, you're real. So
then I start to actually engage him in prayer and
ask him specific questions. And I would go to the
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prayer meeting and I would when we again, when the
atmosphere of praise and worship broke out the prayers that
I prayed, she would now say, and this prayer that
you prayed, this is what the Lord says.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
That's when I knew definitively the Lord is, He's real,
Jesus Christ.
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Is indeed God. Because I was praying in the name
of Jesus, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Going to this meeting, and my prayers, everything I prayed
was being said back to me and they were not there.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
So that's how it all began.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And then from there, you know, I went to college
and I believe in the Lord, but I didn't really
make an investment in my spiritual development. I think it
was about my third year of college I really started
to intensify my spiritual activity. And then I start to
experience those supernatural things on my own, and that laid
the foundation for what eventually became right the online, the
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ministry that I have now. But really the Lord told
me around my third year, when I was really intensifying
my spiritual activity. He told me, you know your call
to preach.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I didn't want.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I did not want to preach. I went to college,
I played college basketball. I wanted to play in the WNBA,
so that was where I was working towards. And the
Lord said, you will preach. And I said, maybe he
means that when I play in the WNBA, you know,
I'll be able to, you know, testify that the Lord
brought me here.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So maybe he means that I tried.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I try to bend the message to me what I
wanted to me, and the Lord had to slowly but
surely pry that dream out of my hands. But it
was a gracious process, and ultimately that's what led to me,
you know, doing what I'm doing now.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Oh my gosh, it It's so funny because when we
hear God telling us something, we do tend to.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
In our clash like try and.
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Be like okay, like definitely not that way, but let
me figure out how I could it in our own way.
That is so powerful and so I know, even as
it pertains to how we show up online, for instance,
like I made the pivot to incorporating more of my
faith into my content last year, and I really had
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no intention of kind of making like my podcast into
kind of like a preachy sort of thing, because I
feel like the office that I walk into is definitely teaching,
and I wasn't sure how I was going to show up.
What was the turning point for you that gave you
the courage to say, Okay, I'm going to start posting
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about this online because I'm not sure if you had
mentioned what age you were when you finally came to
terms with like, Okay, this is what I'm going to do.
But what, like, were you nervous about the opinions of
what your friends were going to think when they saw
you posting the things of the Lord online?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yes, this is Oh my gosh, So this is the
kind of was my greatest fear, because honestly, I never
wanted to come off as a Bible thumper, because I
you know, I have a history of kind of like
rejecting religion, and I understand the grievances all right against religion.
There's so much that has been done to ensure that,
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you know, when I did this, I was really wanting
to ensure that I was communicating right the truths of
the Kingdom in a way that made it clear that
I'm not promoting religion. I'm promoting walking under the government
of the Lord Jesus Christ, which you know, there are
these are two different things. And I knew that the
people that that they're not going to understand this distinction.
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They're not gonna they're not going to get it because
they're going to associate anything having to do with Christ.
They're going to still say, oh, she's a Bible for
oh you know, she's she's you know, a religious.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Extremist, and so that was my fear because I do
I want to.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I didn't want people to feel that way about me,
because that's not that's not who I am. That was
one of my That was the primary like thing that
was holding me back, I think. But what happened is
that in the I say, the end of twenty twenty three,
start to speak to me and he said it's time,
It's time, It's time. And because he had actually.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Given me that word, I want to say, it had
to be like let's.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Say twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen, or twenty twenty, So it
wasn't until end of twenty twenty three that he said
it's time. Throughout the time between twenty nineteen and twenty
twenty three was preparation. So I had been through a
lot of a lot of pressure, a lot of pressure,
a lot of refinement, and a lot of education, a
lot of the learning the Lord was teaching me, you know,
study this, study that, but it was a lot of refinement.
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Then in twenty twenty three it was time, and I was,
you know, in a place where I had I knew
in my spirit that the Lord was saying this, but
it wasn't actually until one of my spiritual advisors reaches
out to me just out of nowhere, randomly and says,
I received the message from the Lord and he says
it is time, and he says, this is what the
Lord wants to do, and he gives me the lay
that you need to be posting on Instagram, tiktoking, maybe
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doing all of these things. He says, the Lord is
going to grow this finishry. There are many things the
Lord wants to do this time to now launch And.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
That was yeah, I know, it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So once the confirmation came externally, because I didn't speak
to this man about wanting to do this. I usually
would consult about spiritual matters having to do with my
personal life, not about ministry, so he didn't know I
was even really interested or called to it. So when
I was, the Lord was telling me was time. Then
he calls me and says it is time, and then
he gives me the layout. This is what the Lord
says you need to do. So that's when I knew, Okay,
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I gotta I gotta launch. But even then, for a
couple months, I was hesitating. I was hesitating. I was like,
oh my goodness, So one of my good friends who
you know, me and her, we were doing Bible study together.
I asked her, please, can you help start this with me?
So when we started, it was actually me and her.
It was me and her together because I didn't I
didn't have the like, the courage to do it on
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my own. If you was also posting videos, then I
would you know, be able to post because as well.
But she knew like, this is not really my call,
is not my dimension, this is you. So once she
helped me get started, then she stops posting, and then
I just continued from that point and that's when I
you know, that's.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
When things start to take off. Wow.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Wow, So as you are, you know, getting to know
the Lord more and you're posting and all these different things.
Before you started doing that, the refining process did you
experience because you mentioned pressure. Do when you say pressure,
do you mean spiritual warfare that you were experiencing? And
how did you even get your spiritual advisor?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Like how did that come about?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Because I know that sometimes when we are self guided,
as we are cutting the things of the Lord, yes,
the Holy Spirit will speak to us and.
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Refine us and all these different things.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
But sometimes it is, and I have to I actually
think it's often best when we do have like a
spiritual leader over us that can help to really serve
as a more spiritually mature and wiser, you know, figure
in our lives to guide through and disciple us through
that process.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
How did you get to that point? Okay, So, as
I mentioned earlier, I really wanted to go to the WNBA,
and that was like, I all my efforts and my
energy into achieving this, and when I was in college,
I experienced extreme pressures. There were so many strange things
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happening on my team that it was like the it
was like I was having an identity shift at that time.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And I think that it's like, this is what you know.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
My one of my favorite teachers, Apostleo Rome, says is
that when the Lord wants to conform you into the
person who's called you to be, that there's going to
be experiences that you'll have that really fracture your soul
and show you that you are dependent on him to advance.
Because I had always been a gifted athlete, and I
didn't I when I went to college, I expected to
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be able to thrive.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I expected to be able to really move forward in.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
My basketball career, and I expected to be able to
f there go w I went to college.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It was actually opposite.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
It was that there was a bearer in which my
coach was almost like, no matter how well I performed
in practice, no matter how much I proved that I
was able to, you know, really provide, you know, some
a support for our team, I was not being utilized.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I was not being utilized.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And I tell you, like it broke my soul because
my identity was so closely tied to myself as a
basketball player.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
And I feel like that's.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
One of the primary things the Lord wanted to break
off of me, which it had to come by this
you know, traumatic experience, and it really did traumatize me,
Like I went through a lot of depression. I developed
an anxiety related illness during my senior year because I
was so I was almost so pressed out of my
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mind about how do I perform in a way to
get the results that I've been seeking, And I had to.
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Rely on the Lord.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
And that's when I start to actually develop in the
spirit because I really needed, like to hang on the
Lord in those times because.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I was really I was really hurt by what I.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Was experiencing, and I needed the Lord to you know,
I needed his support as I was going through all
those things. But as a result of my even coming
to the place of prayer, I gave the Lord the
opportunity to actually teach me he's his things. And that's
when I start to develop spiritually, because as I was
spending time with him with the intention of you know, receiving,
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you know, healing for my wounds, the Lord was actually
ministering to me about his word, about all of these
you know, these principles of the Kingdom, you know, his law,
all of these things.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I was starting to learn and grow right.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
And then actually when I finished playing in college, the
Lord told me by the end of my senior he
said that you're going to go overseas. You're going to
play professional basketball in the UK, and you're going to
get your master's degree. And he told me this. And
then the day after I get this, I get that
word from the Lord, I get an email from my
coach saying for anybody who wants to play basketball in
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the UK and get their master's degree, contact this person.
So that's how I ended up playing in the UK.
And I and so when I prayed in the UK.
I the Lord restored what I had desired to achieve
in college. I achieved overseas, all right, and I was
so I was so grateful. I thought, Okay, the WNB,
we're back.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
We're back.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
But unfortunately, the Lord said, you know, it was just
a matter of you know, giving me an opportunity to
experience what I had desired. But ultimately the UH preaching
responsibility had not shifted. So eventually I had to come
back to the States and I had to you know,
I had to be prepared further for what the Lord
wanted me to do. But to answer your question about
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the spiritual leadership, I had become a part of an
online prayer group study group, and the leader of that group,
he was the one that kind of mentored me in
a lot of things of the spirit. I would ask
him questions about, you know, because he walked into prophetic office,
so I ask him questions. And around that time, I
was also starting to recognize that I was I was
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having dreams that would come to pass. So I would
see things and I would you know, they would happen
in real life. Or I would see things about people
that they didn't tell me and then I would ask
them is this going on? And they would say yes,
and then I would tell them what the Lord said.
So it was these things were starting to happen at
that time. So I needed mentorship because I didn't know
how to handle this gift because I found it. I
didn't know, like I just found it strange, to be
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honest with you, and so I needed someone who was
more advanced in this office to you know, help me
understand how to cultivate this gift, how to and how
to operate depending on what I see. So it was
it was that's kind of like the foundation of how
the relationship was developed.
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And then ultimately, as I mentioned, you know, he received.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
The word and instide of what I was seeing as
far as you know, the ministry he was calling me to,
and that's kind of where I started to lay the foundation.
And everything that he said was what happens happening and
it's continuing to happen.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Wow, that is so amazing. And I love how everyone's
testimony is so different because it feels I guess, I
don't know if it's just because we're kind of discussing
it in one story today, it kind of feels like
things accelerate or accelerated for you rapidly, and you were
getting like divine words straight from the Lord's mouth you know,
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about your life, and that feels very validating. I will
consider you to be definitely like a lot of God's
favorites reserve because I think oftentimes in our flesh, our
human condition, we want those words right, like we want
someone to be like I see this over you. I
you know, uh, this is how you know things are
gonna go, or like it validates what you're feeling, like, God,
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I'm feeling so confused. And then if the you know,
the Holy Spirit you know, leads someone to tell you
like the reason you're feeling confused because of this, like
that must feel like really good because it's like, whoa, God,
you're really showing me like you're with me, You are
really with me, and so yeah, I what I love
too about your ministry is you talk a lot about
the Kingdom and even you know as demons and and
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and the siritual laws of things. That is something that
I did not become aware of until twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And I've been a Christian all my life.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And I didn't realize that there were the courts of
Heaven was a thing I never really heard of that.
So in your discipleship, is that where you started to
learn about the courts of heaven and how the Kingdom
of Heaven actually operates.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
As well as the Kingdom of darkness.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, So in my discipleship, I would say that the
primary things I learned there were pertained to the gifts
of the spirit and also just kind of like the
introductory understanding about the operations of heaven the government of thought.
I think that for me in order to learn really
about the operation of demonic spirits, the court of Heaven
and these more in these these more heavier subject matter
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about the kingdom, I actually studied under two great teachers.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I don't know if you've heard of Derek Prince. He's
he's a minister.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yes, his teachings he has a lot of And here's
the thing, this is why the office of the teacher
is so important, because Derek Princess is a big one.
And another one that I study religiously he's still alive,
is Apostle a Romao society. These are two people who
they walk in the office of the teacher, and so
they will educate on matters of the kingdom pertaining to
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the operations of demonic spirits, and also certain infrastructure of
the government. This is how what is the personal alter,
how to raise the personal alter? Understanding how the government
of God works, because this is you know, the Law
was teaching me as a revelation that you know, as
a United States citizen, right you need the information about
if you need to get help, or if you need
to go to the hospital, what's the nearest hospital, Or
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if you need to get a certain treatment, how to
get this treatment, or if you need to get a
certain grant or loan, how to get the grant or loan,
all of these different infrastructure that are in place in
our current government. You have to have an understanding of
where to go to get the things you need it
and know where to benefit right from your constituency.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
And the Lord was telling me that members of his.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Kingdom, people who have accepted him as Lord, have no
idea how as government operates. They don't know how to
go and get things that may be required right for
them to walk in the fullness of their divine purpose.
They don't understand kind of some of the obstacles and
the barriers that face as far as you know, the oppression,
demonic oppression, and how that is even something that becomes
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a reality for them. They don't understand these legalities right
that govern their constituency as members of their kingdom. As
a result their casualties, and so I made it a
pointed to learn about the operation of the Kingdom of Heaven,
because if we can understand the kingdom and then abide
by the laws of the kingdom and understand the infrastructure
of that kingdom, they can read the full benefits of
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what God has made available to his children. And so
that's why I teach on that stuffect because I know
the answer to all of the world's problems on an
individual and a collective level is in the understanding of
the government of God and the submission to that government,
adherence to the laws right, and being able to apply
what's been made available to us by the sacrifice of
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Jesus Christ right to our lives and also to the
territories that we operate.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
And I know that this is a solution to all problems.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
So rather than pinpointing a specific problem or focus area,
I'm going to focus on the answer to all the problems,
and then from there. If people can learn and grow
and develop their understanding about the Kingdom, then the byproduct
of all of that will be transformation individually, transformation in
communities and cities, and you know, nationally and by the
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grace of God internationally, people will be able to see
the glory of God right in the measure that He
wants to make available to us.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
And one of my favorite things about you too is
how articulate you are. I understand everything that you say
so well because you make it so palatable. I'm like, wow,
I've never seen someone break it down in such impalatable way,
which is so important, especially as it pertains to the
things you know, in the Body of Christ, we tend
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to feel so overwhelmed by reading the Bible and not
understanding this that it's like, oh my gosh, like I
don't think that this is, you know, really right for me,
or there's just feelings of discouragement because we're not able
to understand thoroughly what it is that we are reading
or what we're striving for in you know, trying to
have a deeper intimacy with Jesus. And so another thing
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I kind of wanted to talk about is repentance, Like,
what would you say, are the laws based around repentance?
So often people tend to feel a lot of you know,
shame and guilt. And we know that the Lord doesn't
shame and guilt us, but he does convict us, so
we know that there is a difference in that. But
what would you suggest for the person that finds themselves
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battling with something, you know, and they kind of feel like, man, like,
I don't even see the point of kind of repenting
because I feel like I know I'm going to mess
up again, or they kind of have this like guilt
feeling of like, man, as I'm repenting, I know this
is what I'm supposed to do and that the Lord
is gonna give me.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
But if this happens again, am I a hypocrite? Like?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Should I just like not say anything at all? Should
I not bother repenting? What do you say to that? Yes,
this is the struggle.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
You know, all of us have different tendencies that you know,
and this is the problem with the carnal nature. There
are things that are what their prince refers to as
besetting sins, like things that you it's almost like part
of your nature because of the fact that you've operated
almost as a habit in that sin for so long.
Like for me personally, that would be anger. And you know,
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I just I have a tendency historically to lose my temper.
So this is the answer because I've seen progress by
applying this principle, so I will share it as the
means to solving this problem. The reality is that when
we're dealing with the fallen nature, it's a corrupted nature.
It's dead, right, So that means that this nature cannot
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be improved. If you try to improve a deficit that
you have in the flesh by will, right, you're only
going to be able to suppress it.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
It'll come back out.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
There's no way to fully overcome it in the flesh
because it is it's like it's like something that's infected, right,
And then you try and take maybe some type of
solution right that contains the bacteria that caused the infection
to clean the infection, right, that's you.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
You just canceled out your efforts. It's not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
What you need to do is spend more time developing
in your your your spiritual growth right as far as
your prayer lengthening your prayer, doing more fasting, particularly fasting,
particularly fasting, worship, right, reading the word. Because what happens
that as you start to exercise your right and you
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start to develop in the spirit, you're going to recognize
that you're going you're you're going to operate over time
in a new nature. You're going to start to see
yourself become more right of the person that God has called.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
You to be.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Because not because those things that you are, you have
a tendency right that you never have that your you're
fleshly nature right suddenly found a way to have an
interest in those things. New nature is starting to replace
that nature, and that nature does not have a tolerance
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right for those things right that you were involved in
or those things that you that.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
You were struggling with.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Right. I say that the solution to dealing with sins
where you're you're trying to repent, you're trying to move forward,
and but you're finding yourself falling back into the same
you know, the same cycle, is that you got to
migrate right from trying to deal with this in the
flesh to intensifying your spiritual exercise. The more the Holy
Spirit has the ability to express himself in your vessel.
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The more that you will be able to, the more
that you'll be able to walk in supremacy over those
desires of the flesh.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Wow. Wow, thank you so much for sharing that. And
what about dreams? Right?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
So you know how if you have like a bad dream,
like some sort of demonic dream where you're either eating
something or the you know, the enemy is trying to
get you to come into agreement with something in your
dream without knowledge of the fact that you can cancel
and come out of agreement and renounce and denounce things
that happen in your dream.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Let's say you do have something that was unpleasant.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Does that mean that if you don't cancel it that
it will inevitably come to pass? Also, if you do
cancel it, does that also prevent it from coming to pass?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Still? Good question.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
So when you have a demonic dream, and let's start
with the eating right in the dream, because these are
the there are different types of dreams that indicate the
presence of demonic activity.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
When you're dealing with a dream where.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
You're eating something, it's speaking to witchcraft, right, It's speaking
to something that is being done right to essentially manipulate
your life by an external party, get all something in
the blood right. So there are many ways in which
the activity of demonic spirits can be unleashed into a
life that now starts to manipulate the destiny of a person.
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In order to overcome that, you have to because of witchcraft,
being that someone who is operating an altar in darkness
is now using the power from that altar to target you.
The solution is that you, with your alter in righteousness right,
come against that power that is targeting you. Because in
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the spiritual realm, and I've talked about this, you know,
the realm is the realm of law, of rank, of power,
right and government. And when we're talking about the activity
of demonic spirits and we're talking about the righteous government
of God.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
You're talking to opposing powers.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Now, God is the superior power, but the determining factor
of what kingdom will prevail in the life of the
person is dependent on the priesthood of that person. So
if someone has macipulated by witch craft, you see them,
you know, having experiencing all these things that are inconsistent
with what should be available to us in Christ, they're
able to be able to walk in supremacy over the
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person who's functioning in light. Because the person who's functioning
in light, their priesthood is not robust. So when you
see Christians being manipulated by witch craft, you see them,
you know, having experienced all these things that are inconsistent
with what should be available to us in Christ. The
reason why is because we haven't been trained on the
principle of priesthood and the altar.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I think it's one Peter two, verse five that says
that we are to be we're being built into a
holy priesthood, offering our spirits unto the Lord. If you
look in the Old Testament, so much of the instruction
of the Lord to the Israelites was on priesthood. Now
they were under the Old Covenant, so their priesthood looked
different than ours. But that priesthood was a foreshadowing of
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the priesthood that we would be under in the New Covenant.
And so the reason why you're seeing so many Christians
being manipulated by darkness is because the element of our walk,
which is our priesthood, right, our ability for our unto
the Lord and raise our altars that make it such
that when someone tries to attack us in darkness. We
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have already a power of backing in light that will
neutralize that that opposing force. We haven't been taught about
the necessity of this when navigating this realm. And this
is the thing unfortunately Satan is training his workers. So
if you know any people who are have a history
in witchcraft, the history and that kind of enterprise, you
go see the dedication they have to read their altars.
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They will spend hour their incantations, hours doing their rituals.
They spend so much time. And we think that we're
gonna come with five minutes of prayer and defeat that
we're not serious.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
We're not serious.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
We will fast for how many days to transact with
the gods that they work with, and we think we're
gonna come with our five minutes of prayer and defeated.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
It's not. That's how it works in the spiritual realm.
So that's one thing.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Now, there are other dreams that's fee to different types
of demonic activity. You have dreams that may, for example,
someone seeing the old house, old school repeatedly, and the
the context of that that dream is that there's almost
like something that they have to get or cheap, but
they're being held back by being in this old this
this place from the past is usually speaking to a
spirit of delay and speaking to a spirit of stagnation.
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And these are things that you handle by way. Again,
the solution will always be priesthood, because now the Lord
will be able to make revelation to you about what
is your action item, right.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Something that you need to renounce maybe in the blood.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Is there something to renounce that you may have spoken
over yourself, right. There are different ways to address things
that are that things that may be standing against us
in the spirit, right, But the only way to get
that intelligence is from standing by our altar and making
those petitions in prayer and fastening onto.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
The Lord gives it the insight we need to defeat
the problem.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Mm.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Wow, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And I
know that too. With fasting, we tend to uproot a
lot of altars too. And I will say, like, you know,
and I'll speak to you about this like separately. But
there was I fasted, right, I did my first dry
water fast, and I could not believe the warfare that
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broke out after I did that fast. Like I'm still
coming down from the like all that has transpired from
it was it was like every week there was something
going on and I could not believe it.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
And I was just like, what did What did I do?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Because I was thinking, oh, my goodness, Like fasting is
you know, I know it can it can really uproot
altars and all the things. But it's like, man, it
felt like I just accelerated every negative thing that could
possibly happen to me, and it like thwarted me into
you know, uh my reality now and I'm just like whoa.
It was just so much to deal with and to
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battle with, and it beginning it almost got me. I
was feeling so discouraged because I'm like, oh my fasting.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, and all the times that I fasted.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Before I did a twenty one day fast, I did this,
but I never did the water fast.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And for some reason, that fast just like really like
it really angered the enemy a lot.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
So it's just it really can feel discouraging when you
don't know what's going on. You know, to explain why
you're experiencing what you're experiencing, and then people tend to
just go the opposite way and they drop it. And
if there's one thing that I learned too, even in
the midst of discouragement, is to still show up anyway.
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And when I was when I was reading, because I'm
I'm reading the Bible in chronological order, you know, I remember,
you know, Job, he was still petitioning to the Lord,
no matter his frustration, and despite him being a righteous
you know man, you know, he still was expressing in
anger and confusion how he felt to the Lord. And
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it inspired me because it mean and it encouraged me
because it made me think, like, Asha, it's the same
for you, Like, no matter what is it you're experiencing,
this goes for all of us in the body of Christ.
The Lord wants us to still stay in you know,
communication with Him no matter what those emotions are. And
I think a lot of the times we have this
formality to us where we feel like, man, I have
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to address the Lord in this such way. I can't,
you know, I'm upset right now. I can't really talk
to God about that.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
There has to be a certain way I have to
come to him. And in this context, I don't believe that.
I know that that's not true based on scripture. How
many people in the Bible have experienced, you know, trials, tribulations,
and turmoil that will always be you know, for eternity.
But they still stayed in consistent communication with the Lord,
and it really builds up your resilience and your character
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in the Holy Spirit, because the enemy will utilize these
opportunities to you know, have us backslide and make us
walk away. So my question to you is, have you
ever felt like there was a point in your walk
thus far where you kind of were feeling extremely discouraged?
Because we often hear about all the great things that
the Lord has done, but I think in this journey,
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because it is a journey, there are times where in
our walk we do feel like it waxes and wanes.
Would you say that that's something that you've experienced.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yes, I've experienced this.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Actually, I would say that when I came to the Lord,
I was and I had the encounter that I told
you about, I was sixteen and I think I'm now
twenty seven. And I would say, for that's four years
in college and then one year oversea, and then so
I would say six of the eleven years was suffering.
So but I don't say this to you know, discourage anyone.
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I just want to let you know that. For it
looks like over half of the years that I've been
really trying to walk with the Lord were seasons of testing,
right and trials. And I say all of this to
say that in those times, yes, there is the inclination
to just stop everything. There's an inclination to say, Okay,
what's the point, Like I'm not seeing the the change,
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I'm not seeing the the the breakthrough.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I'm not seeing anything that.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
You know, I've been praying for these things, and I
wish Lord, or you know, I'm hoping and praying that
this these situations would change. There are two things that
I've I've learned about suffering and you know, suffering in
the faith. Firstly, I would say that the primary reason
for my suffering in college and even for a lot
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of I'd say maybe just a few years before actually
you know, starting the online ministry, is that I my
will was still very strong. And when you're walking with
the Lord and the Lord wants to govern your life,
I think that one of the primary areas of suffering
that we are going to experience is the my will
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versus God's will. And this is the thing if you
want to be under the government of God, the Lord
is going to make it a point to make it
so that you are wanting and willing to submit to
His will, and the circumstances will be worked out in
such a way where you will have to submit or
your suffering persists. And I know it's it's hard to
you know, people think like, oh, is he forcing me?
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He's not forcing you. You have a choice to do
anything that you want to do. You can even decide
to opt out entirely and pick up another completely different
life path. But I think that if you want to
really be relieved, if some of the suffering that you
know we encounter on this walk, you have to be
willing to accept His will for your life. As I
mentioned to you, I wanted to play in the WNB.
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That was my like, that'd been my dream since childhood.
And I held onto that dream for so long that
it was something that became a point of suffering for years.
Because the Lord was saying, I have a different path
than in the in the scroll of your life. This
WNB was not a part of that scroll, right, So
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this is what the Lord is saying. But I want
to do what I want to do. That is primary suffering.
Number one is us holding on to what we want
to do and not being willing to submit to what
the Lord wants us to do.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
One.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I think number two is testing right where and that
can also be incorporated into that season where you start
to experience things that are just clearly supernaturally orchestrated that
cause you to question, like, Lord, are you there. I've
had experiences where there was testing seasons where are like,
what's the Lord going to do to rectify this?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I cannot solve this problem? Right?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
So there's a testing and those seasons I've observed that
they're for the purpose of number one showing you how
dependent you are on God. Because when things are orchestrated
from the realm of the spirit and you have no
recourse in the natural to solve that problem, you now
go to God and you recognize, if you don't move, Lord,
I can't solve this problem. Number one. And then number
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two is that testing. What it does is it makes
you recognize that when He does solve the problem, when
he does bring you out of that season, you now
know I can trust him. When I was low, he
heard he pulled me out. That's what the psalms are
basically speaking to a lot of the song are talking
about how you know, there was a period of suffering
and there was a cry for help, and then when
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the Lord brings you out of that time, it's so
that you will now know he brought me out. And
the intention is that you will never forget who brought
you out of that valley, and so that you would
walk with him right going forward. So the Lord wants
us to be dependent on him, and he will orchestrate
things in our lives to make us dependent on him
and to know that he is the one that brings
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us out of things right that we may find ourselves
in And it's so that we can have our our
mindset reoriented because you know, and I was just you know,
spending I've been spending a lot of time in prayer
talking to the Lord about how we are socialized from
childhood to be to live lives independent of God. And
we think, well, what do we mean by that? For example,
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you know, when you're talking to a child, you tell
the child you can be whatever you want to be.
So the ownness of constructing your life is on you.
That's what we and that's supposed to be a positive message, right,
It's a message that we're we're giving people to encourage
them to spread their wings. But the reality that what's
actually happening is that we're being socialized to construct paths
for ourselves that the Lord did not right determine to
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be the path.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
That he called us to. And so what happened that
when we.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Come into the faith and the Lord now wants us
to align with the path he's callosed to, it's a
reorient a painful reorientation process, because we are not used
to being able to being had or having to align
with the path that we didn't necessarily construct for ourselves. Right,
We're not used to having to depend on him for
a spoken word, go there, do this right, and to
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and to live as he pleases. Right, We're not used
to having to answer to someone else, because we're told
that we answer for our own lives. And so I
would say that, you know, when we're enduring a lot
of suffering or maybe a season of drought, it's usually
for the purposes of refinements, for the purpose of you know,
cultivating that trust and dependence and submission to the Lord,
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and also to you know, create a reorientation in us
that will make us dependent on him. To you know,
advance in the things that he has called us to,
right because ultimately that's why we're here.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Wow, that is so powerful, and you know, we're definitely
gonna end on that note. I mean, I really really
am for you guys to check out Stephanie's Instagram. She
has so many more powerful messages on there that she
discussed all topics, you know, as it pertains to you know,
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being in the body of Christ and the courts of
heaven and just all things that pertain to being a
follower of Christ. And so Steph, thank you so much
for coming on this show. I definitely I have to
give you my number, because yes, you have to.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, like we need to.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
We need to do that because I have a lot
I've always wanted, which is so crazy. I always was like, dang,
I just said this the other day. I was like,
I wish I had like a prophetic friend, like that
would be really really nice and I and then and
then you mentioned this, I'm like, is it her?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Lord? Is it her with her? So yeah, we will
definitely be talking.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
But I will leave Stephanie's information in the show notes
down below so that you guys can check out her platforms.
And see what she has to offer, which is, you know,
just amazing knowledge. Also, step I did purchase both of
your ebooks. You have an ebook on fasting and then
also feminology, so I will put that in the show
notes down below. You guys definitely want to check those
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out to educate yourself on how to exercise your authority
in the.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Body of Christ. So thank you so much, Steph for
coming on the show. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yes, And with that being said, guys, do not forget
that I love you and God loves you.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I'll speak to you beautiful angels in my next podcast.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
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The more the Holy Spirit has the ability to express
themself in your vessel, the more that you'll be able
to walk in supremacy over those desires of the flesh.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Heavib It's Asia, Christina, Miss Quality, Queen Control.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
What is happening?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hello?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
How is everybody feeling happy Wednesday?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Today we have a very special guest, someone that I
have personally wanted to have on the show for a
while now. I've been following my girl Stephanie Ume on
Instagram and she is so powerful. She is one of
the only people that I can genuinely say has resonated
with me because of how she delivers her message.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
She is so clear.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
She offers so much insight about the Kingdom of Heaven,
the courts of Heaven, legalism, repentance, your you know, pray,
your demonology. She even has two ebooks on demonology as
well as fasting.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Which these key components.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Really helped to strengthen your spiritual walk and authority in
the things of Christ. So I'm really excited to have
Stephanie Ume on the show and to pick her brain
about her testimony and ask her some questions that will
help you guys gain insight on the things that pertain
to the Kingdom of Heaven. So, without further ado, thank
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you Steph for joining the show. Welcome to Quality Queen Control.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Thank you for having me. I'm excited to do this episode.
We've been planning it for a while, so I'm glad
we finally have gotten to it.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yes, exactly a little bit of technical difficulties, but I'd
pray that the Holy Spirit guides us and that we're
able to get this done successfully. So, Steph, I want
to go back into your story about the genesis of
how you came to Christ. I want this episode to
be a testimony. I know so many times we've follow
creators online, but we don't necessarily know what their story
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was and there honestly, it's not that often that we
get to hear their testimony if they don't just automatically
post it online.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
So tell me a little bit about that.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I was raised Catholic, I grew up in a I
went to Catholic school. I was so essentially I was
raised in the faith, but I was raised more so
in religion, and when I reached I would say fourteen
fifteen years old, I start to ask a lot of
questions about the world and about you know, just the
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way things operate.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
And when I.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Start to interrogate the concept of religion, particularly Catholicism, I
started to have a lot of doubts about whether or
not I was I was believing the right thing.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And this is the thing.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
When I was younger, I had encounters with I wouldn't
say somewhere with the Lord, but they were other encounters
that I had where I knew there was a spiritual realm.
So I knew I didn't doubt that there was a
spiritual realm. What I start to doubt is is christ
Is this religion of Christianity? Is this the answer? And
so around that time I went agnostic. So I was.
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I explored different religions very superficially, like I dabbled in Islam.
I tried to see what's there Judaism, amongst other things
that I just settle on the fact that there is
a higher power. I don't think any religion has understood
who that higher power is.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I think most.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Religions are forms of control. And that's how I was right.
So I was like that for a little bit, and
I'd say around sixteen years old, my mom she had
a dream and she saw that there were three flowers
wilting in a in a garden, and she was given
a revelation that those three flowers were indicating there's three siblings, me,
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my sister, and my brother. The three of us there
was like a wilting spiritual and the Lord was saying,
you need to take action on this front. So my
mom says, Okay, I need to take my children to
this prayer me There was a charismatic prayer meeting that
was taking place at one of my former schools, and
when we went to this pyramed I did not want
to be there. I didn't want to be there. I
didn't believe. I felt like I was forced into something
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I didn't want to do. But I went because you know,
obviously this is my mom, so I'm just gonna listen
to her. So when we went to this this meeting,
they you know, after some time, I was just kind
of like, you know, you know, moving through the motions.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I wasn't really engaged because again I didn't believe.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
And at some point, now the Holy Spirit starts moving
and there was a woman there who started speaking by
the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and essentially just spoke
out my life story, like said, you know, you didn't
even want to be here. You don't have faith. You know,
you don't believe I am, I am the Lord. And
she said, you know this, she's speaking by the inspiration
of the Holy Spirit. And she says, follow me, put
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your faith in me and the Holy Spirit speaking through her.
And I had chills on my body because I was
thinking to myself, how did you know? How did you
do because at that time, I didn't know about like
the gifts of the spirit, how someone can inspire by
the Holy Spirit start to read your life history. So
when that happened, I said, okay, Lord, you're real. So
then I start to actually engage him in prayer and
ask him specific questions. And I would go to the
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prayer meeting and I would when we again, when the
atmosphere of praise and worship broke out the prayers that
I prayed, she would now say, and this prayer that
you prayed, this is what the Lord says.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
That's when I knew definitively the Lord is, He's real,
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Is indeed God. Because I was praying in the name
of Jesus, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Going to this meeting, and my prayers, everything I prayed
was being said back to me and they were not there.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
So that's how it all began.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And then from there, you know, I went to college
and I believe in the Lord, but I didn't really
make an investment in my spiritual development. I think it
was about my third year of college I really started
to intensify my spiritual activity. And then I start to
experience those supernatural things on my own, and that laid
the foundation for what eventually became right the online, the
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ministry that I have now. But really the Lord told
me around my third year, when I was really intensifying
my spiritual activity. He told me, you know your call
to preach.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I didn't want.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I did not want to preach. I went to college,
I played college basketball. I wanted to play in the WNBA,
so that was where I was working towards. And the
Lord said, you will preach. And I said, maybe he
means that when I play in the WNBA, you know,
I'll be able to, you know, testify that the Lord
brought me here.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So maybe he means that I tried.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I try to bend the message to me what I
wanted to me, and the Lord had to slowly but
surely pry that dream out of my hands. But it
was a gracious process, and ultimately that's what led to me,
you know, doing what I'm doing now.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Oh my gosh, it It's so funny because when we
hear God telling us something, we do tend to.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
In our clash like try and.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Be like okay, like definitely not that way, but let
me figure out how I could it in our own way.
That is so powerful and so I know, even as
it pertains to how we show up online, for instance,
like I made the pivot to incorporating more of my
faith into my content last year, and I really had
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no intention of kind of making like my podcast into
kind of like a preachy sort of thing, because I
feel like the office that I walk into is definitely teaching,
and I wasn't sure how I was going to show up.
What was the turning point for you that gave you
the courage to say, Okay, I'm going to start posting
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about this online because I'm not sure if you had
mentioned what age you were when you finally came to
terms with like, Okay, this is what I'm going to do.
But what, like, were you nervous about the opinions of
what your friends were going to think when they saw
you posting the things of the Lord online?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yes, this is Oh my gosh, So this is the
kind of was my greatest fear, because honestly, I never
wanted to come off as a Bible thumper, because I
you know, I have a history of kind of like
rejecting religion, and I understand the grievances all right against religion.
There's so much that has been done to ensure that,
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you know, when I did this, I was really wanting
to ensure that I was communicating right the truths of
the Kingdom in a way that made it clear that
I'm not promoting religion. I'm promoting walking under the government
of the Lord Jesus Christ, which you know, there are
these are two different things. And I knew that the
people that that they're not going to understand this distinction.
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They're not gonna they're not going to get it because
they're going to associate anything having to do with Christ.
They're going to still say, oh, she's a Bible for
oh you know, she's she's you know, a religious.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Extremist, and so that was my fear because I do
I want to.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I didn't want people to feel that way about me,
because that's not that's not who I am. That was
one of my That was the primary like thing that
was holding me back, I think. But what happened is
that in the I say, the end of twenty twenty three,
start to speak to me and he said it's time,
It's time, It's time. And because he had actually.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Given me that word, I want to say, it had
to be like let's.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Say twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen, or twenty twenty, So it
wasn't until end of twenty twenty three that he said
it's time. Throughout the time between twenty nineteen and twenty
twenty three was preparation. So I had been through a
lot of a lot of pressure, a lot of pressure,
a lot of refinement, and a lot of education, a
lot of the learning the Lord was teaching me, you know,
study this, study that, but it was a lot of refinement.
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Then in twenty twenty three it was time, and I was,
you know, in a place where I had I knew
in my spirit that the Lord was saying this, but
it wasn't actually until one of my spiritual advisors reaches
out to me just out of nowhere, randomly and says,
I received the message from the Lord and he says
it is time, and he says, this is what the
Lord wants to do, and he gives me the lay
that you need to be posting on Instagram, tiktoking, maybe
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doing all of these things. He says, the Lord is
going to grow this finishry. There are many things the
Lord wants to do this time to now launch And.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
That was yeah, I know, it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So once the confirmation came externally, because I didn't speak
to this man about wanting to do this. I usually
would consult about spiritual matters having to do with my
personal life, not about ministry, so he didn't know I
was even really interested or called to it. So when
I was, the Lord was telling me was time. Then
he calls me and says it is time, and then
he gives me the layout. This is what the Lord
says you need to do. So that's when I knew, Okay,
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I gotta I gotta launch. But even then, for a
couple months, I was hesitating. I was hesitating. I was like,
oh my goodness, So one of my good friends who
you know, me and her, we were doing Bible study together.
I asked her, please, can you help start this with me?
So when we started, it was actually me and her.
It was me and her together because I didn't I
didn't have the like, the courage to do it on
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my own. If you was also posting videos, then I
would you know, be able to post because as well.
But she knew like, this is not really my call,
is not my dimension, this is you. So once she
helped me get started, then she stops posting, and then
I just continued from that point and that's when I
you know, that's.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
When things start to take off. Wow.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Wow, So as you are, you know, getting to know
the Lord more and you're posting and all these different things.
Before you started doing that, the refining process did you
experience because you mentioned pressure. Do when you say pressure,
do you mean spiritual warfare that you were experiencing? And
how did you even get your spiritual advisor?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Like how did that come about?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Because I know that sometimes when we are self guided,
as we are cutting the things of the Lord, yes,
the Holy Spirit will speak to us and.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Refine us and all these different things.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
But sometimes it is, and I have to I actually
think it's often best when we do have like a
spiritual leader over us that can help to really serve
as a more spiritually mature and wiser, you know, figure
in our lives to guide through and disciple us through
that process.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
How did you get to that point? Okay, So, as
I mentioned earlier, I really wanted to go to the WNBA,
and that was like, I all my efforts and my
energy into achieving this, and when I was in college,
I experienced extreme pressures. There were so many strange things
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happening on my team that it was like the it
was like I was having an identity shift at that time.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And I think that it's like, this is what you know.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
My one of my favorite teachers, Apostleo Rome, says is
that when the Lord wants to conform you into the
person who's called you to be, that there's going to
be experiences that you'll have that really fracture your soul
and show you that you are dependent on him to advance.
Because I had always been a gifted athlete, and I
didn't I when I went to college, I expected to
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be able to thrive.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I expected to be able to really move forward in.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
My basketball career, and I expected to be able to
f there go w I went to college.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It was actually opposite.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
It was that there was a bearer in which my
coach was almost like, no matter how well I performed
in practice, no matter how much I proved that I
was able to, you know, really provide, you know, some
a support for our team, I was not being utilized.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I was not being utilized.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And I tell you, like it broke my soul because
my identity was so closely tied to myself as a
basketball player.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
And I feel like that's.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
One of the primary things the Lord wanted to break
off of me, which it had to come by this
you know, traumatic experience, and it really did traumatize me,
Like I went through a lot of depression. I developed
an anxiety related illness during my senior year because I
was so I was almost so pressed out of my
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mind about how do I perform in a way to
get the results that I've been seeking, And I had to.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Rely on the Lord.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
And that's when I start to actually develop in the
spirit because I really needed, like to hang on the
Lord in those times because.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I was really I was really hurt by what I.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Was experiencing, and I needed the Lord to you know,
I needed his support as I was going through all
those things. But as a result of my even coming
to the place of prayer, I gave the Lord the
opportunity to actually teach me he's his things. And that's
when I start to develop spiritually, because as I was
spending time with him with the intention of you know, receiving,
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you know, healing for my wounds, the Lord was actually
ministering to me about his word, about all of these
you know, these principles of the Kingdom, you know, his law,
all of these things.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I was starting to learn and grow right.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
And then actually when I finished playing in college, the
Lord told me by the end of my senior he
said that you're going to go overseas. You're going to
play professional basketball in the UK, and you're going to
get your master's degree. And he told me this. And
then the day after I get this, I get that
word from the Lord, I get an email from my
coach saying for anybody who wants to play basketball in
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the UK and get their master's degree, contact this person.
So that's how I ended up playing in the UK.
And I and so when I prayed in the UK.
I the Lord restored what I had desired to achieve
in college. I achieved overseas, all right, and I was
so I was so grateful. I thought, Okay, the WNB,
we're back.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
We're back.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
But unfortunately, the Lord said, you know, it was just
a matter of you know, giving me an opportunity to
experience what I had desired. But ultimately the UH preaching
responsibility had not shifted. So eventually I had to come
back to the States and I had to you know,
I had to be prepared further for what the Lord
wanted me to do. But to answer your question about
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the spiritual leadership, I had become a part of an
online prayer group study group, and the leader of that group,
he was the one that kind of mentored me in
a lot of things of the spirit. I would ask
him questions about, you know, because he walked into prophetic office,
so I ask him questions. And around that time, I
was also starting to recognize that I was I was
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having dreams that would come to pass. So I would
see things and I would you know, they would happen
in real life. Or I would see things about people
that they didn't tell me and then I would ask
them is this going on? And they would say yes,
and then I would tell them what the Lord said.
So it was these things were starting to happen at
that time. So I needed mentorship because I didn't know
how to handle this gift because I found it. I
didn't know, like I just found it strange, to be
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honest with you, and so I needed someone who was
more advanced in this office to you know, help me
understand how to cultivate this gift, how to and how
to operate depending on what I see. So it was
it was that's kind of like the foundation of how
the relationship was developed.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
And then ultimately, as I mentioned, you know, he received.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
The word and instide of what I was seeing as
far as you know, the ministry he was calling me to,
and that's kind of where I started to lay the foundation.
And everything that he said was what happens happening and
it's continuing to happen.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Wow, that is so amazing. And I love how everyone's
testimony is so different because it feels I guess, I
don't know if it's just because we're kind of discussing
it in one story today, it kind of feels like
things accelerate or accelerated for you rapidly, and you were
getting like divine words straight from the Lord's mouth you know,
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about your life, and that feels very validating. I will
consider you to be definitely like a lot of God's
favorites reserve because I think oftentimes in our flesh, our
human condition, we want those words right, like we want
someone to be like I see this over you. I
you know, uh, this is how you know things are
gonna go, or like it validates what you're feeling, like, God,
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I'm feeling so confused. And then if the you know,
the Holy Spirit you know, leads someone to tell you
like the reason you're feeling confused because of this, like
that must feel like really good because it's like, whoa, God,
you're really showing me like you're with me, You are
really with me, and so yeah, I what I love
too about your ministry is you talk a lot about
the Kingdom and even you know as demons and and
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and the siritual laws of things. That is something that
I did not become aware of until twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And I've been a Christian all my life.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And I didn't realize that there were the courts of
Heaven was a thing I never really heard of that.
So in your discipleship, is that where you started to
learn about the courts of heaven and how the Kingdom
of Heaven actually operates.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
As well as the Kingdom of darkness.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, So in my discipleship, I would say that the
primary things I learned there were pertained to the gifts
of the spirit and also just kind of like the
introductory understanding about the operations of heaven the government of thought.
I think that for me in order to learn really
about the operation of demonic spirits, the court of Heaven
and these more in these these more heavier subject matter
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about the kingdom, I actually studied under two great teachers.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I don't know if you've heard of Derek Prince. He's
he's a minister.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yes, his teachings he has a lot of And here's
the thing, this is why the office of the teacher
is so important, because Derek Princess is a big one.
And another one that I study religiously he's still alive,
is Apostle a Romao society. These are two people who
they walk in the office of the teacher, and so
they will educate on matters of the kingdom pertaining to
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the operations of demonic spirits, and also certain infrastructure of
the government. This is how what is the personal alter,
how to raise the personal alter? Understanding how the government
of God works, because this is you know, the Law
was teaching me as a revelation that you know, as
a United States citizen, right you need the information about
if you need to get help, or if you need
to go to the hospital, what's the nearest hospital, Or
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if you need to get a certain treatment, how to
get this treatment, or if you need to get a
certain grant or loan, how to get the grant or loan,
all of these different infrastructure that are in place in
our current government. You have to have an understanding of
where to go to get the things you need it
and know where to benefit right from your constituency.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
And the Lord was telling me that members of his.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Kingdom, people who have accepted him as Lord, have no
idea how as government operates. They don't know how to
go and get things that may be required right for
them to walk in the fullness of their divine purpose.
They don't understand kind of some of the obstacles and
the barriers that face as far as you know, the oppression,
demonic oppression, and how that is even something that becomes
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a reality for them. They don't understand these legalities right
that govern their constituency as members of their kingdom. As
a result their casualties, and so I made it a
pointed to learn about the operation of the Kingdom of Heaven,
because if we can understand the kingdom and then abide
by the laws of the kingdom and understand the infrastructure
of that kingdom, they can read the full benefits of
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what God has made available to his children. And so
that's why I teach on that stuffect because I know
the answer to all of the world's problems on an
individual and a collective level is in the understanding of
the government of God and the submission to that government,
adherence to the laws right, and being able to apply
what's been made available to us by the sacrifice of
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Jesus Christ right to our lives and also to the
territories that we operate.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
And I know that this is a solution to all problems.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
So rather than pinpointing a specific problem or focus area,
I'm going to focus on the answer to all the problems,
and then from there. If people can learn and grow
and develop their understanding about the Kingdom, then the byproduct
of all of that will be transformation individually, transformation in
communities and cities, and you know, nationally and by the
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grace of God internationally, people will be able to see
the glory of God right in the measure that He
wants to make available to us.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
And one of my favorite things about you too is
how articulate you are. I understand everything that you say
so well because you make it so palatable. I'm like, wow,
I've never seen someone break it down in such impalatable way,
which is so important, especially as it pertains to the
things you know, in the Body of Christ, we tend
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to feel so overwhelmed by reading the Bible and not
understanding this that it's like, oh my gosh, like I
don't think that this is, you know, really right for me,
or there's just feelings of discouragement because we're not able
to understand thoroughly what it is that we are reading
or what we're striving for in you know, trying to
have a deeper intimacy with Jesus. And so another thing
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I kind of wanted to talk about is repentance, Like,
what would you say, are the laws based around repentance?
So often people tend to feel a lot of you know,
shame and guilt. And we know that the Lord doesn't
shame and guilt us, but he does convict us, so
we know that there is a difference in that. But
what would you suggest for the person that finds themselves
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battling with something, you know, and they kind of feel like, man, like,
I don't even see the point of kind of repenting
because I feel like I know I'm going to mess
up again, or they kind of have this like guilt
feeling of like, man, as I'm repenting, I know this
is what I'm supposed to do and that the Lord
is gonna give me.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
But if this happens again, am I a hypocrite? Like?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Should I just like not say anything at all? Should
I not bother repenting? What do you say to that? Yes,
this is the struggle.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
You know, all of us have different tendencies that you know,
and this is the problem with the carnal nature. There
are things that are what their prince refers to as
besetting sins, like things that you it's almost like part
of your nature because of the fact that you've operated
almost as a habit in that sin for so long.
Like for me personally, that would be anger. And you know,
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I just I have a tendency historically to lose my temper.
So this is the answer because I've seen progress by
applying this principle, so I will share it as the
means to solving this problem. The reality is that when
we're dealing with the fallen nature, it's a corrupted nature.
It's dead, right, So that means that this nature cannot
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be improved. If you try to improve a deficit that
you have in the flesh by will, right, you're only
going to be able to suppress it.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
It'll come back out.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
There's no way to fully overcome it in the flesh
because it is it's like it's like something that's infected, right,
And then you try and take maybe some type of
solution right that contains the bacteria that caused the infection
to clean the infection, right, that's you.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
You just canceled out your efforts. It's not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
What you need to do is spend more time developing
in your your your spiritual growth right as far as
your prayer lengthening your prayer, doing more fasting, particularly fasting,
particularly fasting, worship, right, reading the word. Because what happens
that as you start to exercise your right and you
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start to develop in the spirit, you're going to recognize
that you're going you're you're going to operate over time
in a new nature. You're going to start to see
yourself become more right of the person that God has called.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
You to be.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Because not because those things that you are, you have
a tendency right that you never have that your you're
fleshly nature right suddenly found a way to have an
interest in those things. New nature is starting to replace
that nature, and that nature does not have a tolerance
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right for those things right that you were involved in
or those things that you that.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
You were struggling with.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Right. I say that the solution to dealing with sins
where you're you're trying to repent, you're trying to move forward,
and but you're finding yourself falling back into the same
you know, the same cycle, is that you got to
migrate right from trying to deal with this in the
flesh to intensifying your spiritual exercise. The more the Holy
Spirit has the ability to express himself in your vessel.
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The more that you will be able to, the more
that you'll be able to walk in supremacy over those
desires of the flesh.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Wow. Wow, thank you so much for sharing that. And
what about dreams? Right?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
So you know how if you have like a bad dream,
like some sort of demonic dream where you're either eating
something or the you know, the enemy is trying to
get you to come into agreement with something in your
dream without knowledge of the fact that you can cancel
and come out of agreement and renounce and denounce things
that happen in your dream.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Let's say you do have something that was unpleasant.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Does that mean that if you don't cancel it that
it will inevitably come to pass? Also, if you do
cancel it, does that also prevent it from coming to pass?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Still? Good question.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
So when you have a demonic dream, and let's start
with the eating right in the dream, because these are
the there are different types of dreams that indicate the
presence of demonic activity.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
When you're dealing with a dream where.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
You're eating something, it's speaking to witchcraft, right, It's speaking
to something that is being done right to essentially manipulate
your life by an external party, get all something in
the blood right. So there are many ways in which
the activity of demonic spirits can be unleashed into a
life that now starts to manipulate the destiny of a person.
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In order to overcome that, you have to because of witchcraft,
being that someone who is operating an altar in darkness
is now using the power from that altar to target you.
The solution is that you, with your alter in righteousness right,
come against that power that is targeting you. Because in
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the spiritual realm, and I've talked about this, you know,
the realm is the realm of law, of rank, of power,
right and government. And when we're talking about the activity
of demonic spirits and we're talking about the righteous government
of God.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
You're talking to opposing powers.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Now, God is the superior power, but the determining factor
of what kingdom will prevail in the life of the
person is dependent on the priesthood of that person. So
if someone has macipulated by witch craft, you see them,
you know, having experiencing all these things that are inconsistent
with what should be available to us in Christ, they're
able to be able to walk in supremacy over the
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person who's functioning in light. Because the person who's functioning
in light, their priesthood is not robust. So when you
see Christians being manipulated by witch craft, you see them,
you know, having experienced all these things that are inconsistent
with what should be available to us in Christ. The
reason why is because we haven't been trained on the
principle of priesthood and the altar.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I think it's one Peter two, verse five that says
that we are to be we're being built into a
holy priesthood, offering our spirits unto the Lord. If you
look in the Old Testament, so much of the instruction
of the Lord to the Israelites was on priesthood. Now
they were under the Old Covenant, so their priesthood looked
different than ours. But that priesthood was a foreshadowing of
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the priesthood that we would be under in the New Covenant.
And so the reason why you're seeing so many Christians
being manipulated by darkness is because the element of our walk,
which is our priesthood, right, our ability for our unto
the Lord and raise our altars that make it such
that when someone tries to attack us in darkness. We
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have already a power of backing in light that will
neutralize that that opposing force. We haven't been taught about
the necessity of this when navigating this realm. And this
is the thing unfortunately Satan is training his workers. So
if you know any people who are have a history
in witchcraft, the history and that kind of enterprise, you
go see the dedication they have to read their altars.
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They will spend hour their incantations, hours doing their rituals.
They spend so much time. And we think that we're
gonna come with five minutes of prayer and defeat that
we're not serious.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
We're not serious.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
We will fast for how many days to transact with
the gods that they work with, and we think we're
gonna come with our five minutes of prayer and defeated.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
It's not. That's how it works in the spiritual realm.
So that's one thing.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Now, there are other dreams that's fee to different types
of demonic activity. You have dreams that may, for example,
someone seeing the old house, old school repeatedly, and the
the context of that that dream is that there's almost
like something that they have to get or cheap, but
they're being held back by being in this old this
this place from the past is usually speaking to a
spirit of delay and speaking to a spirit of stagnation.
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And these are things that you handle by way. Again,
the solution will always be priesthood, because now the Lord
will be able to make revelation to you about what
is your action item, right.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Something that you need to renounce maybe in the blood.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Is there something to renounce that you may have spoken
over yourself, right. There are different ways to address things
that are that things that may be standing against us
in the spirit, right, But the only way to get
that intelligence is from standing by our altar and making
those petitions in prayer and fastening onto.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
The Lord gives it the insight we need to defeat
the problem.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Mm.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Wow, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And I
know that too. With fasting, we tend to uproot a
lot of altars too. And I will say, like, you know,
and I'll speak to you about this like separately. But
there was I fasted, right, I did my first dry
water fast, and I could not believe the warfare that
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broke out after I did that fast. Like I'm still
coming down from the like all that has transpired from
it was it was like every week there was something
going on and I could not believe it.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
And I was just like, what did What did I do?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Because I was thinking, oh, my goodness, Like fasting is
you know, I know it can it can really uproot
altars and all the things. But it's like, man, it
felt like I just accelerated every negative thing that could
possibly happen to me, and it like thwarted me into
you know, uh my reality now and I'm just like whoa.
It was just so much to deal with and to
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battle with, and it beginning it almost got me. I
was feeling so discouraged because I'm like, oh my fasting.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, and all the times that I fasted.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Before I did a twenty one day fast, I did this,
but I never did the water fast.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And for some reason, that fast just like really like
it really angered the enemy a lot.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
So it's just it really can feel discouraging when you
don't know what's going on. You know, to explain why
you're experiencing what you're experiencing, and then people tend to
just go the opposite way and they drop it. And
if there's one thing that I learned too, even in
the midst of discouragement, is to still show up anyway.
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And when I was when I was reading, because I'm
I'm reading the Bible in chronological order, you know, I remember,
you know, Job, he was still petitioning to the Lord,
no matter his frustration, and despite him being a righteous
you know man, you know, he still was expressing in
anger and confusion how he felt to the Lord. And
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it inspired me because it mean and it encouraged me
because it made me think, like, Asha, it's the same
for you, Like, no matter what is it you're experiencing,
this goes for all of us in the body of Christ.
The Lord wants us to still stay in you know,
communication with Him no matter what those emotions are. And
I think a lot of the times we have this
formality to us where we feel like, man, I have
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to address the Lord in this such way. I can't,
you know, I'm upset right now. I can't really talk
to God about that.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
There has to be a certain way I have to
come to him. And in this context, I don't believe that.
I know that that's not true based on scripture. How
many people in the Bible have experienced, you know, trials, tribulations,
and turmoil that will always be you know, for eternity.
But they still stayed in consistent communication with the Lord,
and it really builds up your resilience and your character
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in the Holy Spirit, because the enemy will utilize these
opportunities to you know, have us backslide and make us
walk away. So my question to you is, have you
ever felt like there was a point in your walk
thus far where you kind of were feeling extremely discouraged?
Because we often hear about all the great things that
the Lord has done, but I think in this journey,
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because it is a journey, there are times where in
our walk we do feel like it waxes and wanes.
Would you say that that's something that you've experienced.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yes, I've experienced this.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Actually, I would say that when I came to the Lord,
I was and I had the encounter that I told
you about, I was sixteen and I think I'm now
twenty seven. And I would say, for that's four years
in college and then one year oversea, and then so
I would say six of the eleven years was suffering.
So but I don't say this to you know, discourage anyone.
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I just want to let you know that. For it
looks like over half of the years that I've been
really trying to walk with the Lord were seasons of testing,
right and trials. And I say all of this to
say that in those times, yes, there is the inclination
to just stop everything. There's an inclination to say, Okay,
what's the point, Like I'm not seeing the the change,
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I'm not seeing the the the breakthrough.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I'm not seeing anything that.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
You know, I've been praying for these things, and I
wish Lord, or you know, I'm hoping and praying that
this these situations would change. There are two things that
I've I've learned about suffering and you know, suffering in
the faith. Firstly, I would say that the primary reason
for my suffering in college and even for a lot
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of I'd say maybe just a few years before actually
you know, starting the online ministry, is that I my
will was still very strong. And when you're walking with
the Lord and the Lord wants to govern your life,
I think that one of the primary areas of suffering
that we are going to experience is the my will
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versus God's will. And this is the thing if you
want to be under the government of God, the Lord
is going to make it a point to make it
so that you are wanting and willing to submit to
His will, and the circumstances will be worked out in
such a way where you will have to submit or
your suffering persists. And I know it's it's hard to
you know, people think like, oh, is he forcing me?
(36:14):
He's not forcing you. You have a choice to do
anything that you want to do. You can even decide
to opt out entirely and pick up another completely different
life path. But I think that if you want to
really be relieved, if some of the suffering that you
know we encounter on this walk, you have to be
willing to accept His will for your life. As I
mentioned to you, I wanted to play in the WNB.
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That was my like, that'd been my dream since childhood.
And I held onto that dream for so long that
it was something that became a point of suffering for years.
Because the Lord was saying, I have a different path
than in the in the scroll of your life. This
WNB was not a part of that scroll, right, So
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this is what the Lord is saying. But I want
to do what I want to do. That is primary suffering.
Number one is us holding on to what we want
to do and not being willing to submit to what
the Lord wants us to do.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
One.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I think number two is testing right where and that
can also be incorporated into that season where you start
to experience things that are just clearly supernaturally orchestrated that
cause you to question, like, Lord, are you there. I've
had experiences where there was testing seasons where are like,
what's the Lord going to do to rectify this?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I cannot solve this problem? Right?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
So there's a testing and those seasons I've observed that
they're for the purpose of number one showing you how
dependent you are on God. Because when things are orchestrated
from the realm of the spirit and you have no
recourse in the natural to solve that problem, you now
go to God and you recognize, if you don't move, Lord,
I can't solve this problem. Number one. And then number
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two is that testing. What it does is it makes
you recognize that when He does solve the problem, when
he does bring you out of that season, you now
know I can trust him. When I was low, he
heard he pulled me out. That's what the psalms are
basically speaking to a lot of the song are talking
about how you know, there was a period of suffering
and there was a cry for help, and then when
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the Lord brings you out of that time, it's so
that you will now know he brought me out. And
the intention is that you will never forget who brought
you out of that valley, and so that you would
walk with him right going forward. So the Lord wants
us to be dependent on him, and he will orchestrate
things in our lives to make us dependent on him
and to know that he is the one that brings
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us out of things right that we may find ourselves
in And it's so that we can have our our
mindset reoriented because you know, and I was just you know,
spending I've been spending a lot of time in prayer
talking to the Lord about how we are socialized from
childhood to be to live lives independent of God. And
we think, well, what do we mean by that? For example,
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you know, when you're talking to a child, you tell
the child you can be whatever you want to be.
So the ownness of constructing your life is on you.
That's what we and that's supposed to be a positive message, right,
It's a message that we're we're giving people to encourage
them to spread their wings. But the reality that what's
actually happening is that we're being socialized to construct paths
for ourselves that the Lord did not right determine to
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be the path.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
That he called us to. And so what happened that
when we.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Come into the faith and the Lord now wants us
to align with the path he's callosed to, it's a
reorient a painful reorientation process, because we are not used
to being able to being had or having to align
with the path that we didn't necessarily construct for ourselves. Right,
We're not used to having to depend on him for
a spoken word, go there, do this right, and to
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and to live as he pleases. Right, We're not used
to having to answer to someone else, because we're told
that we answer for our own lives. And so I
would say that, you know, when we're enduring a lot
of suffering or maybe a season of drought, it's usually
for the purposes of refinements, for the purpose of you know,
cultivating that trust and dependence and submission to the Lord,
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and also to you know, create a reorientation in us
that will make us dependent on him. To you know,
advance in the things that he has called us to,
right because ultimately that's why we're here.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Wow, that is so powerful, and you know, we're definitely
gonna end on that note. I mean, I really really
am for you guys to check out Stephanie's Instagram. She
has so many more powerful messages on there that she
discussed all topics, you know, as it pertains to you know,
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being in the body of Christ and the courts of
heaven and just all things that pertain to being a
follower of Christ. And so Steph, thank you so much
for coming on this show. I definitely I have to
give you my number, because yes, you have to.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, like we need to.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
We need to do that because I have a lot
I've always wanted, which is so crazy. I always was like, dang,
I just said this the other day. I was like,
I wish I had like a prophetic friend, like that
would be really really nice and I and then and
then you mentioned this, I'm like, is it her?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Lord? Is it her with her? So yeah, we will
definitely be talking.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
But I will leave Stephanie's information in the show notes
down below so that you guys can check out her platforms.
And see what she has to offer, which is, you know,
just amazing knowledge. Also, step I did purchase both of
your ebooks. You have an ebook on fasting and then
also feminology, so I will put that in the show
notes down below. You guys definitely want to check those
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out to educate yourself on how to exercise your authority
in the.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Body of Christ. So thank you so much, Steph for
coming on the show. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yes, And with that being said, guys, do not forget
that I love you and God loves you.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I'll speak to you beautiful angels in my next podcast.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Ye
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