Dr. Robert Marbut, the producer of the new film, "Fentanyl: Death Incorporated", and President-Elect Donald Trump's former 'Homelessness Czar' joins Ryan Schuiling to discuss his new film, the fentanyl crisis currently causing havoc across America, and how all of it is impacted by the crises on America's nothern and southern borders.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As we know all too well here in Colorado, the
fentanyl crisis is a deadly one, and especially for the
youth of our nation and for this state right here
in Colorado. Ryan Schuling live back with you and joining
us now. He is the senior producer for a new film.
Very interested in discussing this with him. It's a comprehensive
documentary on the fentanyl crisis entitled Fetanyl Death Incorporated. He
(00:23):
is doctor Robert Marbatt, and he joins us here live.
Doctor Margaret, thank you for your time.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Oh, thank you so much for caring about this topic.
Really appreciated and.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
People can find out more online at Feentanyldeathincorporated dot com.
I guess we'll start at the beginning, doctor Marbatt, and
what was the genesis for this film, it's production and
why you got involved.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well, when I was in the White House in the
first Trump administration, I was his homeless coordinator, homeless czar,
and we started seeing how fetnel was started and inffected
the homeless community. And and the more I got into
that topic and getting involved in it, I started finding
out it had so many aspects. It's one of the
(01:03):
highest killers of children zero to four and a lot
of people how housing four year old dying of fitnel
because it's not an overdose for them. Fitnel is so powerful.
If there's any residual left on a countertop, a bench,
ark a restaurant, you know, two grains of salt will
kill you. And so we start finding out we had
(01:26):
fitnel poisoning of zero to four children, we had the
obvious recreational drug use problem, we had the medical problem,
we had the Purdue pharma. It just goes so wide,
and I was like, we got to get a handle
on this because it's become the number one killer of
Americans eighteen to forty five.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Such a great point, and doctor marbut as you know,
being part of the Trump administration, what they're trying to
accomplish here and now that you've been reelected, is to
reassert the integrity of our borders. And as I've talked
about this issue with so many people, and you can
kind of clean out the details here, but a rough
sketch would be a lot of the element base product
of fentanyl is manufactured in China and the distributed by
(02:09):
the Mexican drug cartels across our border, which have been
by and large wide open over these last four years
under President Biden, can you take us through that supply
chain a little bit and why fentanyl has become so
prominent in the United States.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
And I'll take a half a step back and then
run you through the supply chain. When Purdue Pharma gets
closed down, you know, if you've met the oxy coding,
remember all that. And they kept telling everybody it wasn't addictive,
but everybody got addicted. And so they had, you know,
two or three million people already addicted to synthetic opioids.
(02:45):
So when Purdue Pharmist starts to get closed down and
all the states had the lawsuits and clamp down on doctors,
the Mexican cartel said, oh, we already got a group
of addicted people. Where do we find this? And so
they did it in conjunction with China, and China started
producing what was called the precursors or sometimes even pre precursors,
(03:09):
and got it into the cartels into Mexico, and then
they just started bringing across the border through all their
other distribution means and they were using and we talked
about this in the movie, and we got a great
graphic that it's sort of like student body left and
football you swamp one group with human trafficking and people
(03:31):
going across the border. And then when all the security local,
national state moved to that sector, then there's another sector
that opens up and you can almost walk Fentleel across
the border. And we got video of it just walking
Fentleel across the border. I mean, it's not even an effort.
And I'll tell you, I'm getting real concerned about the
(03:54):
northern border now because we have so many agents now
focused on the southwest border that the northern border is
starting to have a problem. And just since in the
ninety days of us doing our primary filming of the movie,
they took down almost twenty four super laps in Canada
(04:14):
and the all time biggest drug bust ever in Canada
was two tuesdays ago, And so we got a cheap
focus on China. We got to hold them accountable, We
got to focus on the cartels, but we also have
to keep our eye on what's going on in the
northern border.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Feuntinel Death Incorporated is the new documentary and joining us.
He is the senior producer for the film. Doctor Robert
Marbret now doctor Marbaret, Where can my listeners find the film,
when will it be distributed and where right now?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
We were very pleased that just almost had a clear
blue Salem Now streaming service. So salemnow dot Com gave
us a call. They saw a pre screener and they said,
we want this on our platform before it sort of
goes to general distribution, which will be first quarter of
next year. So right now you can go stream the
(05:06):
film right now salemnow dot com and pull it down
and then it will be sort of on different streaming
platforms coming January and February or around the country. And
we want if you're a policymaker, if you're a parent
of a child, or if you're zero to eighteen, you
(05:28):
need to see this movie. Because the lethality of this
is just that people do not understand how dangerous Sentinel is.
That's why I appreciated your bumper on the front. You
get it, but a lot of people don't.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Doctor Marbut along those lines, I mean, I was growing
up as a gen xer and this wasn't even remotely
on the radar for my parents to have to worry about,
even if I were to dabble in marijuana or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And I didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
But you know for kids that they're going to experiment
their kids being kids, and a lot of times maybe
they're at a party and they're trying something that a
friend gave them, somebody that they think they trusted. The
friend might not know a particular drug is lace with fentanyl.
What advice would you give to parents out there right
now who are looking to protect their kids without being
a helicopter parent.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
We had a great conversation with a DEA agent and
a parent the other day, I think was in Seattle
and had this great conversation and the parents said that
what they found with her kids was the scared the
eight type of stuff. Scaring them didn't work, but being
(06:36):
Pollyannish on the other side did it work. And I said, well,
what worked? And she said, just giving the children the facts,
and the facts are two grains of salt equivalent of
fitnel will kill you. One fifteenth of a rice grain
will kill you. And just getting that information out, understanding
(06:58):
first the lethality how danger it is, and then the
next is figure when you start looking in every state
varies a little bit. And I looked at some of
your Colorado numbers before I got on and it looks
like in the Colorado area, about seventy percent of all
other illicit drugs, you know, everything from we K two, spice, math, trank,
(07:20):
all these other drugs out there, that seventy percent of
them are also laced with fentanyl. And they're not always
purposely laced. Sometimes yesterday they were making fentanyl and today
they're making math on the same tabletop. These are not laboratories, though,
wipe them down and clean glove and white coat and
(07:41):
you know, negative vacuum rooms. They're not that you know
in the dungeons of backwoods of places. And so it's
more like a contaminated cross contamination than a lace. So
lace implies I'm purposely adding it in to make it good.
And then by the way, that does happen like an
Philadelphia Kensington district that everybody talks about, where it's trank
(08:04):
that's seventy percent finanyl and thirty percent horse tranquilizer and
up there that's purposeful. But where I am right now
talking from you today, in Arkansas, what they see is
the cantamination of the supply. And so if your child
knows two grains of salt to finnel would kill you
and that seventy percent of the listed drugs now have
(08:26):
fentanyls somewhere in it. That should get people's attention.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Doctor Robert Marbot our guest, he, of course, is the
senior producer for this film, and I invite you to
check it out. Fanyl Death Incorporated. Two part question to
close out, and doctor Marbot, appreciate your time and information.
And that is the first part is you mentioned how
sloppy the production of this That doesn't surprise me. But yet,
even if I think about this in the coldest of terms,
(08:52):
cartel's drug dealers, et cetera, they wouldn't want to kill
their clients. They want to keep that going in order
or to keep selling them the drugs. And yet what's
happening here, like you're saying, is we're seeing this massive
death across the country for people that take drugs that
are laced with fentanyl. Why do you think that is?
And the second part is what is the most surprising
detail that you learned during the production of this film
(09:15):
that you found out that you didn't know before?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Oh wow, gosh, you have four or five great questions
in there, So let's hit the first one. Why would
a supplier when it killed their users or their buyers,
you know, pure business. And when they started it that
one of the first earliest batches went into Chicago and
(09:38):
they had like literally just dozens of people dropping in
one neighborhood in Chicago. Nobody at first understood it, but
it was a bad batch of something, and then they
started finding people that died, you know, these sort of
just hot zones type And what we found out later
that the Mexican cartel, we was trying to figure out
(10:02):
what the right dosing is that gives you this super
high of more intense high than any other drug on
the market. A fitnyl is one hundred times more potent
than morphine. And think about that, not not one hundred percent,
you know, one hundred times thousand percent. So they've been
(10:24):
trying to figure out how to do The cartel really
doesn't want to kill that many people, you know, a
few deaths are part of the doing business, as one
guy told us, but they want to They don't want
you to die, so they're trying to get that thing,
you know, the dosing right if you will. Now here's
the problem with this, this is so lethal. The difference
(10:46):
between one grain and two grains of salt. One you live,
one you die. It's not like we're doing eighty pounds
of something and it's eighty pounds in one ounce, and
it's seventy nine pounds in the nine ounces. That this
is so thin and so it's so hard to get
the mix right to keep your people alive versus killing them,
(11:09):
and that's why it breaks down. It's the power and
the potency of the drug. The thing that probably shocked
me the most is as the advent of the Canadian
biker gangs over the last eighteen to twenty months and
what they're doing to move it around Canada and get
it across the northern border. There is as bad actors
(11:32):
as the cartels are out of Mexico, but because you
can carry one kilo, which is like smaller than a
bread loaf, and that's the equivalent that can kill a
half a million people, and so biker games are putting
it in their saddle bags and moving it around the
country of Canada and then finding the weak spot and
bringing across. That was probably my biggest Wow. This is really.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Bad, incredible but important to know. Fentanyl Death Incorporated. You
can watch it at Salemnow dot com. I'm looking right
at it. It's at the top of their page and
you can find out more online at their website, and
we encourage you again to check that out. You can
find it at Fentanyl Death Incorporated dot com. He is
the senior producer of that film, and we're looking forward
(12:18):
to more and I'm sure doctor Marbat will circle back
and talk about this once it's in wider distribution come January.
It's one of the most important topics of our time
in our country, and I thank you so much for
joining us today.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Thank you so much for caring about decision and having
us on really appreciated.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Looking forward to many more conversations important to talk about.
Doctor Robert mar Butt and I have a feeling that
there are people in our audience that if you haven't
had a family member who has died from a fentanyl poisoning,
which is what it is. It's not an overdose in
most cases. The kids, a lot of times they're not
even aware that they're taking that drug it's laced, or
you know somebody who has been affected by the death
(12:56):
brought upon by fetanyl. I want to hear from you
to close out the show. Five seven, seven, three nine,
Ryan Schuling Live concludes on this Thursday edition.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
After this
As we know all too well here in Colorado, the
fentanyl crisis is a deadly one, and especially for the
youth of our nation and for this state right here
in Colorado. Ryan Schuling live back with you and joining
us now. He is the senior producer for a new film.
Very interested in discussing this with him. It's a comprehensive
documentary on the fentanyl crisis entitled Fetanyl Death Incorporated. He
(00:23):
is doctor Robert Marbatt, and he joins us here live.
Doctor Margaret, thank you for your time.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Oh, thank you so much for caring about this topic.
Really appreciated and.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
People can find out more online at Feentanyldeathincorporated dot com.
I guess we'll start at the beginning, doctor Marbatt, and
what was the genesis for this film, it's production and
why you got involved.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well, when I was in the White House in the
first Trump administration, I was his homeless coordinator, homeless czar,
and we started seeing how fetnel was started and inffected
the homeless community. And and the more I got into
that topic and getting involved in it, I started finding
out it had so many aspects. It's one of the
(01:03):
highest killers of children zero to four and a lot
of people how housing four year old dying of fitnel
because it's not an overdose for them. Fitnel is so powerful.
If there's any residual left on a countertop, a bench,
ark a restaurant, you know, two grains of salt will
kill you. And so we start finding out we had
(01:26):
fitnel poisoning of zero to four children, we had the
obvious recreational drug use problem, we had the medical problem,
we had the Purdue pharma. It just goes so wide,
and I was like, we got to get a handle
on this because it's become the number one killer of
Americans eighteen to forty five.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Such a great point, and doctor marbut as you know,
being part of the Trump administration, what they're trying to
accomplish here and now that you've been reelected, is to
reassert the integrity of our borders. And as I've talked
about this issue with so many people, and you can
kind of clean out the details here, but a rough
sketch would be a lot of the element base product
of fentanyl is manufactured in China and the distributed by
(02:09):
the Mexican drug cartels across our border, which have been
by and large wide open over these last four years
under President Biden, can you take us through that supply
chain a little bit and why fentanyl has become so
prominent in the United States.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
And I'll take a half a step back and then
run you through the supply chain. When Purdue Pharma gets
closed down, you know, if you've met the oxy coding,
remember all that. And they kept telling everybody it wasn't addictive,
but everybody got addicted. And so they had, you know,
two or three million people already addicted to synthetic opioids.
(02:45):
So when Purdue Pharmist starts to get closed down and
all the states had the lawsuits and clamp down on doctors,
the Mexican cartel said, oh, we already got a group
of addicted people. Where do we find this? And so
they did it in conjunction with China, and China started
producing what was called the precursors or sometimes even pre precursors,
(03:09):
and got it into the cartels into Mexico, and then
they just started bringing across the border through all their
other distribution means and they were using and we talked
about this in the movie, and we got a great
graphic that it's sort of like student body left and
football you swamp one group with human trafficking and people
(03:31):
going across the border. And then when all the security local,
national state moved to that sector, then there's another sector
that opens up and you can almost walk Fentleel across
the border. And we got video of it just walking
Fentleel across the border. I mean, it's not even an effort.
And I'll tell you, I'm getting real concerned about the
(03:54):
northern border now because we have so many agents now
focused on the southwest border that the northern border is
starting to have a problem. And just since in the
ninety days of us doing our primary filming of the movie,
they took down almost twenty four super laps in Canada
(04:14):
and the all time biggest drug bust ever in Canada
was two tuesdays ago, And so we got a cheap
focus on China. We got to hold them accountable, We
got to focus on the cartels, but we also have
to keep our eye on what's going on in the
northern border.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Feuntinel Death Incorporated is the new documentary and joining us.
He is the senior producer for the film. Doctor Robert
Marbret now doctor Marbaret, Where can my listeners find the film,
when will it be distributed and where right now?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
We were very pleased that just almost had a clear
blue Salem Now streaming service. So salemnow dot Com gave
us a call. They saw a pre screener and they said,
we want this on our platform before it sort of
goes to general distribution, which will be first quarter of
next year. So right now you can go stream the
(05:06):
film right now salemnow dot com and pull it down
and then it will be sort of on different streaming
platforms coming January and February or around the country. And
we want if you're a policymaker, if you're a parent
of a child, or if you're zero to eighteen, you
(05:28):
need to see this movie. Because the lethality of this
is just that people do not understand how dangerous Sentinel is.
That's why I appreciated your bumper on the front. You
get it, but a lot of people don't.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Doctor Marbut along those lines, I mean, I was growing
up as a gen xer and this wasn't even remotely
on the radar for my parents to have to worry about,
even if I were to dabble in marijuana or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And I didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
But you know for kids that they're going to experiment
their kids being kids, and a lot of times maybe
they're at a party and they're trying something that a
friend gave them, somebody that they think they trusted. The
friend might not know a particular drug is lace with fentanyl.
What advice would you give to parents out there right
now who are looking to protect their kids without being
a helicopter parent.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
We had a great conversation with a DEA agent and
a parent the other day, I think was in Seattle
and had this great conversation and the parents said that
what they found with her kids was the scared the
eight type of stuff. Scaring them didn't work, but being
(06:36):
Pollyannish on the other side did it work. And I said, well,
what worked? And she said, just giving the children the facts,
and the facts are two grains of salt equivalent of
fitnel will kill you. One fifteenth of a rice grain
will kill you. And just getting that information out, understanding
(06:58):
first the lethality how danger it is, and then the
next is figure when you start looking in every state
varies a little bit. And I looked at some of
your Colorado numbers before I got on and it looks
like in the Colorado area, about seventy percent of all
other illicit drugs, you know, everything from we K two, spice, math, trank,
(07:20):
all these other drugs out there, that seventy percent of
them are also laced with fentanyl. And they're not always
purposely laced. Sometimes yesterday they were making fentanyl and today
they're making math on the same tabletop. These are not laboratories, though,
wipe them down and clean glove and white coat and
(07:41):
you know, negative vacuum rooms. They're not that you know
in the dungeons of backwoods of places. And so it's
more like a contaminated cross contamination than a lace. So
lace implies I'm purposely adding it in to make it good.
And then by the way, that does happen like an
Philadelphia Kensington district that everybody talks about, where it's trank
(08:04):
that's seventy percent finanyl and thirty percent horse tranquilizer and
up there that's purposeful. But where I am right now
talking from you today, in Arkansas, what they see is
the cantamination of the supply. And so if your child
knows two grains of salt to finnel would kill you
and that seventy percent of the listed drugs now have
(08:26):
fentanyls somewhere in it. That should get people's attention.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Doctor Robert Marbot our guest, he, of course, is the
senior producer for this film, and I invite you to
check it out. Fanyl Death Incorporated. Two part question to
close out, and doctor Marbot, appreciate your time and information.
And that is the first part is you mentioned how
sloppy the production of this That doesn't surprise me. But yet,
even if I think about this in the coldest of terms,
(08:52):
cartel's drug dealers, et cetera, they wouldn't want to kill
their clients. They want to keep that going in order
or to keep selling them the drugs. And yet what's
happening here, like you're saying, is we're seeing this massive
death across the country for people that take drugs that
are laced with fentanyl. Why do you think that is?
And the second part is what is the most surprising
detail that you learned during the production of this film
(09:15):
that you found out that you didn't know before?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Oh wow, gosh, you have four or five great questions
in there, So let's hit the first one. Why would
a supplier when it killed their users or their buyers,
you know, pure business. And when they started it that
one of the first earliest batches went into Chicago and
(09:38):
they had like literally just dozens of people dropping in
one neighborhood in Chicago. Nobody at first understood it, but
it was a bad batch of something, and then they
started finding people that died, you know, these sort of
just hot zones type And what we found out later
that the Mexican cartel, we was trying to figure out
(10:02):
what the right dosing is that gives you this super
high of more intense high than any other drug on
the market. A fitnyl is one hundred times more potent
than morphine. And think about that, not not one hundred percent,
you know, one hundred times thousand percent. So they've been
(10:24):
trying to figure out how to do The cartel really
doesn't want to kill that many people, you know, a
few deaths are part of the doing business, as one
guy told us, but they want to They don't want
you to die, so they're trying to get that thing,
you know, the dosing right if you will. Now here's
the problem with this, this is so lethal. The difference
(10:46):
between one grain and two grains of salt. One you live,
one you die. It's not like we're doing eighty pounds
of something and it's eighty pounds in one ounce, and
it's seventy nine pounds in the nine ounces. That this
is so thin and so it's so hard to get
the mix right to keep your people alive versus killing them,
(11:09):
and that's why it breaks down. It's the power and
the potency of the drug. The thing that probably shocked
me the most is as the advent of the Canadian
biker gangs over the last eighteen to twenty months and
what they're doing to move it around Canada and get
it across the northern border. There is as bad actors
(11:32):
as the cartels are out of Mexico, but because you
can carry one kilo, which is like smaller than a
bread loaf, and that's the equivalent that can kill a
half a million people, and so biker games are putting
it in their saddle bags and moving it around the
country of Canada and then finding the weak spot and
bringing across. That was probably my biggest Wow. This is really.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Bad, incredible but important to know. Fentanyl Death Incorporated. You
can watch it at Salemnow dot com. I'm looking right
at it. It's at the top of their page and
you can find out more online at their website, and
we encourage you again to check that out. You can
find it at Fentanyl Death Incorporated dot com. He is
the senior producer of that film, and we're looking forward
(12:18):
to more and I'm sure doctor Marbat will circle back
and talk about this once it's in wider distribution come January.
It's one of the most important topics of our time
in our country, and I thank you so much for
joining us today.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Thank you so much for caring about decision and having
us on really appreciated.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Looking forward to many more conversations important to talk about.
Doctor Robert mar Butt and I have a feeling that
there are people in our audience that if you haven't
had a family member who has died from a fentanyl poisoning,
which is what it is. It's not an overdose in
most cases. The kids, a lot of times they're not
even aware that they're taking that drug it's laced, or
you know somebody who has been affected by the death
(12:56):
brought upon by fetanyl. I want to hear from you
to close out the show. Five seven, seven, three nine,
Ryan Schuling Live concludes on this Thursday edition.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
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