In the second hour of today's edition of Ryan Schuiling Live, Siraj Hashmi, one of the co-hosts of the 'Habibi Bros' podcast, joinsthe show to discuss President-Elect Donald Trump's controversial cabinet selections and why the Republicans should continue to doubledown on choices like Matt Gaetz for Attorney General.
Follow Siraj on X: https://x.com/SirajAHashmi/
Then, Trump supporter and Trans Activist Sara Higdon joins the show to discuss what a Donald Trump presidency means for the trans community and how she feels about the left's attacks on Trump that have labeled him as 'transphobic'.
Find out more at Sara's website: https://www.sarahigdon.com/?srsltid=AfmBOoqYG2g8GWU-kJuNUliEvWKBGLyPitv_z77U36M4yGANy1LaYHe8
Follow Siraj on X: https://x.com/SirajAHashmi/
Then, Trump supporter and Trans Activist Sara Higdon joins the show to discuss what a Donald Trump presidency means for the trans community and how she feels about the left's attacks on Trump that have labeled him as 'transphobic'.
Find out more at Sara's website: https://www.sarahigdon.com/?srsltid=AfmBOoqYG2g8GWU-kJuNUliEvWKBGLyPitv_z77U36M4yGANy1LaYHe8
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My son born in nineteen ninety one, has a slight
form of autism called Asperger's.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
But it seems and.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Again, when I was practicing law, and also when I
was in Congress, parents wouldn't constantly come to me, and
they bring me videotapes to their children, and they were
all around the age of my.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Son are younger.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
The generation happened in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Exactly the generation. What happened was the vaccine schedule was increased.
We went up from receiving about ten vaccines in our
generation to these kids received twenty four vaccines, and they
all had this time, Arisome and missus mercury, and nobody
bothered to do an analysis of what the cumulative impact
of all that mercury was doing to kids. As it
(00:43):
turns out, we are injecting our children with four hundred
times the amount of mercury that FDA or EPA considered safe.
A child on his first day that he's born is
injected with a hepatitis B shot. Under eph gidelines, he
would be have to have to be two hundred and
seventy five pounds to safely absorb that shop.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
And yet we're just constantly pumping our heads with these vaccines, right.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
And what happened. What happened was that in nineteen eighty eight,
one in every twenty five hundred American children had autism. Today,
one in every one hundred and sixty six children have autism,
and plus one and six children have other kinds of
learning disorders, other kinds of neurological disorders, speech delay, language disorders,
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add hyperactivity, that all seem to be connected. That are
all connected, the science shows are all connected to autisms.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
You know, Bobby we von Arsel, you and I could
could debate a thousand different issues, whether it's Terry Shaiva
or the environment. I think would agree on the environment.
But in this case you've got the federal government coming
in and saying, well, there's no really, there's no good science.
And of course in politics, science always gets deluded. Why
hasn't the federal government stepped up and it worked more?
(01:57):
Because listen, Bobby, I can't prove it tonight, you can't
prove it. But intuitively, you look at this fight, you
look at what happened with AMERASOL, there is no doubt
in my mind. Maybe it's two years from now, maybe
it's five years from now. Maybe it's ten years from
now we're gonna find out that the Marisol causes, in
my opinion, ought to know.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
What a flashback to two thousand and five, and that
voice you just heard linking vaccines to autism was Joe
Scarborough and that was nineteen years ago, and he was
sitting there in almost virtual lockstep agreement with Robert F.
Kennedy Junior. And it's not RFK Junior who has changed.
It's Joe Scarborough who has changed. It's Joe Scarborough and
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so many on the left that are completely unmoored to principles,
like Kamala Harris and a big reason why she lost.
But when it comes to Joe and Mika and Morning Joe,
they were all Lucy goosey, laughing it up, just.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Chumming around with Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
When when Donald Trump's campaign and candidacy were a joke
in twenty fifteen, and they thought, tee, if Donald Trump
wins the Republican nomination, there's no way he'll beat our
preferred candidate, which is Hillary Clinton. And boy, you talk
about your all time backfires. So they were all friendly
with him, and Trump was going on all the time,
and Mika was just kind of star gazing at Trump
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and just haha, laughing at all of his jokes. And
then they took a turn, and they took a turn
for the worst, and then they hit rock bottom. It's
like an addiction or something. Here's Joe Scarborough not that
long ago, drawing the parallels between Donald Trump and you
guessed it, Hitler.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And then he says that the news network that.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Is most critical of him should be taken off the air.
This is not a reach. I could go back and
talk about Nazi Germany and I do it. I do
it without any concerns whatsoever. And if people can't start
drawing the parallels, well you're just stupid or you have
your head in the sand. Are You're one of them?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
So what happens when Hitler wins the election, Well, of
course you go to his bunker and meet with him.
And that's what Joe Scarborough and Mika Brazenski did. Hold on,
you're gonna get whiplash. But they're back on the Trump train,
at least for the access.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Over the past week, Joe and I have heard from
so many people, from political leaders to regular citizens, deeply
dismayed by several of President Elect Trump's cabinet selections, and
they are scared. Last Thursday, we expressed our own concerns
on this broadcast and even said we would appreciate the
opportunity to speak with the President elect himself. On Friday,
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we were given the opportunity to do just that. Joe
and I went to mar A Lago to meet personally
with President elect Trump.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It was the.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
First time we have seen him in seven years now.
Speaker 7 (04:48):
We talked about a lot of issues, including abortion, mass deportation,
threats of political retribution against political opponents and media outlets.
We talked about that a good bit and that's going
to come. Is no surprise to anybody who watches this show,
has watched it over the past year or over the
past decade, that we didn't see eye to eye on
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a lot of issues, and we told him so.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Whether you're left or right, whether you're a frequent watcher
of Morning Joe or you never watch, you've got to
believe these two are complete Charlatan's cowards, snakes, fake, fraudulent,
fugass both of them. They're a joke. They're not to
be taking seriously or credibly. And joining us now to
(05:34):
break it down further. You can follow him on x
He is a crap poster, I guess is the way
you can say it on FCC friendly airways, but he
often gets traction on that platform, and that's why he
joined us now.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Saraj A Hashmi.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
The A stands for awesome s I R A J
letter A h A s h m I saraj Welcome
back to.
Speaker 8 (05:55):
It Oil, and it's been a while, have you been.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I've been so good that I've actually evolved from Leland
to Ryan. But appreciate you catching up with us. I
know you've been out of the loop for a while,
but just makes sense of this if you can. Here
we are today marks two weeks exactly fourteen days since
Donald Trump was re elected in a landslide for a
second non consecutive term as president, and the one to
eighty we've witnessed from a lot in the media wanting
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access to him has been breathtaking.
Speaker 9 (06:26):
You know.
Speaker 8 (06:27):
The whiplash is probably the best characterization you can give
to it, because that there really is no other way
to react to this, and the fact that Joe Scarborough
and Mika Brazenski decided that they needed to just go
out on a limb here and re establish comms with
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President elect Trump just shows you to the level of
desperation I think in legacy media that exists. And for
the most part, we saw this election was a referendum
the Mars more than just obviously a uh, you know,
a political reference. There wasn't a cultural Referenceum, there's a
rejection of basically all the bs that you're seeing happening
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in American society. And the fact that Trump won an
electoral landslide and getting the popular vote shows you that
Americans are completely set up with all of this. And
whether they have different reasons for voting for Trump, you know,
whether it's economic or immigration, at the end of the day,
they voted for Trump because of his whole agenda, not
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just parts of it. And a lot of people seem
to have you know, shock and dismay, specifically on the left,
that you know, Trump is taking these you know, very unsavory,
flawed people to lead his cat to head up his cabinet.
And the only response I have to say is, well,
everyone is flawed. What makes us any better than these
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other people? If anything, the reason why Trump is selecting
these individuals is simply because they're willing to execute his agenda,
and if they're willing to burn it all down, which
is what Trump has basically been a staunch proponent of,
then I think he's got the perfect people in place,
and you know, for Joe and Mika to basically, you know,
(08:18):
see the writing on the wall here. First of all,
I actually think it's a good thing that they're reestablishing
communications with them. But obviously for everyone who's you know,
not had a need of these last eight years or
almost last decade, now understands how opportunistic it is and
how disingenuous it is. I don't think that Morning Joe
(08:42):
will last much longer with this approach. But look, if
you're going to take up take that road back in
twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, which Trump, you might as well
stick to your guns, because going back and kissing the
ring never looks good for anyone.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Sarrajer Hashmie joining me here on Ryan Schuling Live. And
to his point, I mean, this is where the frustration
sets in. You know, Donald Trump won a clear mandate
by both the national popular vote and the will of
the American people through the electoral College, winning all seven
swing states and chipping into margins in states like New York,
New Jersey, even Illinois.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
The blue states got less blue.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
This was a massive electoral shift in Donald Trump's direction,
and therefore to the victor go the spoils. And like
John McCain always said, elections have consequences, and even in
two thousand and eight when he lost, a lot of
the Republicans went along with Obarack Obama's nominations for his
cabinet because it's the president's cabinet to make. And that's
the point that Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, Republican Oklahoma, not
(09:41):
the biggest Trump guy in the world, made in addressing
the nomination of Matt Gates for Attorney General.
Speaker 10 (09:46):
I think the president wants a hammer at the DOJ
and seen Matt Gates as a hammer and all these
other appointments he is. He's very confident and where they're
at and can deliver the administration that he's wonning. His
picks have been maybe unconventional, but we hired an unconventional president,
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and the American people wanted that. They don't want politics
as usual. They want someone that's going to shake up Washington, DC.
And the President Trump proved he could do that. In
twenty sixteen, and we've had great results with the economy.
That followed, the American people saw what happened underneath the
Biden administration and.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
It went to.
Speaker 10 (10:23):
I'm going to use good words here. It went to
heck in a hand basket. And then we see where
the American people said, we're tired of that. We want
something different. So the American people want it to be
showke up. And the President is maybe using some picks
for these positions. That's not conventional, but it's what the
American people wanted.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
And Saraj when I watched the trend line of voter
support for Donald Trump, and he lost the popular vote
in twenty sixteen, but won the electoral college. He got
more votes in twenty twenty. We can debate or dispute
eighty one million votes for Biden. Biden won the election,
so be it. But Donald Trump gets even more votes
this time around, increasing in each election cycle. With everything
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the left through Adam with Russia collusion, the hoax, the
impeachments January sixth, the indictments, the convictions, the assassination attempt.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
What does this say about Trump?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
His legacy, him sticking to his guns on these nominees
for his Cabinet.
Speaker 8 (11:18):
Well, Leland, I have to say, you know, if you're
if you're not a religious man, I'd say, you know,
this is the time to find God, because there's probably
no no way to explain anything that happened in these
last couple of years other than divine intervention. The fact
that the bullet miss Trump within nanoseconds of killing him
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just kind of goes to show you that there's like that.
If you don't believe in God, I think it's time
to start believing because there's some grand divine plan that's
happening for America. And you know, what do you get
caught up or and what do you believe or not?
You know, entirely up to you. But I think there's
I think America was saying with this election. I mean,
(12:02):
I don't like to get into hyperbole. You know, I
don't think it would have been our last election, but
I think the I don't think America would have I
think America would have had a very difficult time recovering
from a Kamal Harris presidency simply because of what Democrats
were trying to do by you know, fast tracking illegal
immigrants on a pathway to citizenship and basically securing them
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as a voting block, you wouldn't have a free and
fair election. I mean the whole purpose of citizenship, the
privileges that come with it. Of course, these people are
subject to our laws, not subject to our rights. So
if you make them subject to our rights, then what's
the point of even being a citizen of this country.
It's just there's no like the there's there has to
be some merit based to it. And I think what
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everything that the Democrats were going for was not based
in merit or logic or even reasoning. It was just
based in, oh, this feels good, and you know, these
are vibes, and all of a sudden, like they couldn't,
they finally discovered the reality is that you can't win
an election on bobs only, and with these cabinet picks. Look,
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Trump can't give up an hitch. He did that in
his first term and the Dems, the Democrats took a mile,
they took several miles. In fact, I think one of
you know, some people say Trump's biggest asset, of strongest
ass is he let let's buy gones be bygones. But
in the context of how he was wronged by not
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only the Justice Department with all the law fair, but
the agencies that screwed him over when he was president,
including the AHS National Institute of Health, and iid Drew
Fauci like, there needs to be justice, There needs to
be repercussions. He will can't get away with this stuff.
And I hope that at least, if anything, President Trump
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sets a very clear example that the rule of law
is supposed to be followed and no one is above
the law.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Our guest, Saraj a Hashmi on x is where you
can find him. And when we look for vibes, Saraj
and me, when we look for merit, logic and reason,
we turn our lonely eyes to the view and specifically
Joy Behar and is she actually right here now?
Speaker 11 (14:12):
Reportedly the GOP senators are being called on by you
know who to push the nomination through no matter what
they think.
Speaker 9 (14:20):
They'll vow to the pressure.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Even with all these allegations.
Speaker 11 (14:24):
Do you think that's possible?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
What do you think is.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Going to happen?
Speaker 11 (14:27):
I think they'll bow to the pressure. But I think
that what he's doing, it seems to me, is like
putting gates out there as like a sacrificial lamb of
some sort, like for instance, like you want to buy
your kid wants a dog, right, so you bring home
and you don't want a dog, right, so you bring
home a pitbull and then to bring a chihuahua. So
the pitbull goes and the chiaha stays.
Speaker 8 (14:49):
Yaa.
Speaker 9 (14:49):
Can be pretty nasty.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I love them.
Speaker 11 (14:52):
It's like throw met Gates out there so that the
others don't look as bad.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
That's does Joy have a pointer or is she overthinking?
Speaker 8 (15:01):
No? I think actually that might be one of one
of Joy Behar's more salient points that I've heard. I've
thought about that possibility. I also thought about the possibility
that Matt Gates. The Matt Gates pick was designed to
test the loyalty of these Republican senators, to see how
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if they're willing to play ball, and if they aren't
willing to play ball. Obviously, Trump has the path plays
constitutionally to get John Thune, the Senate majority leader, to
declare a reset. I think I saw a report on
the news wire, you know, last night, saying that Trump
is not confident that the Gates nomination will go through. Well,
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he's gonna have to continue to back and you can't
pull away now, it's too late for that. And I
think with Matt Gates, he resigned from Congress, maybe it
was a four D chests play to try to get
him out of Congress and basically and the ethics investigation
and then to him. But for the most part, you know,
I think, you know Gates, Gates has definitely the toughest
(16:07):
uptill battle. Does he get the actual confirmation? Honestly, I
have no idea, but the idea that he was nominated
in the first place I heard that it was it
never actually uh was run by the Chief of Staff,
Sudie Wilde. So it's one of those things where if
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you you know Trump, obviously the president elect has you know,
the that you know, you the further the president right
on all these decisions. But I think it's interesting that
he still has a you know, the system of checks
and balances or gut checks really where he run things
by other people in his team. And you know, you're
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starting to see a little bit more and more tensions
sort of build up. These factions are starting to war
with each other, Elon Musk and more sep Steams. You know,
a lot of different characters within Trump circle are starting
to you know, you know, have different points of view
that leads to, you know, more animosity. It will be
interesting to see what happens. But I think for the
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most part, this is the kind of what was the
It was both an asset and also maybe a detriment
to the first Trump administration is that you have all
these competing factions trying to buy for power and ultimately
hurt the president's agenda. So my hope is that at
least in the second go around, you have a little
bit more unity built up.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Double down, triple down, stick with the program.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
We bought the ticket, meaning Saraj, myself, everybody who voted
for Trump, and we will take the ride. Gladly. You
can take the ride on X with him at sarag
A hash me. That's s I R A J letter
A h A s h M I Saraj always great
catching up.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 8 (17:49):
Thanks Leland. Always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Second the past, back to the future.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Saraj hashm joining me there, take your thoughts, your text
five seven seven three nine, and when we come back,
we're going to tackle this issue that Representative Nancy Mace
has opened up with a bill introduced on the House
floor to limit women's restrooms at the Capitol to biological
women only. There's an incoming trans member of Congress from
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Delaware that this will affect directly, and joining us next
a trans woman herself, Sarah Higden, my good friend from
Central Michigan University days and a transactivist and a Trump supporter,
will give her thoughts on the matter when we come back.
Keep it right here on Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 12 (18:36):
That being a feminist makes me an extremist, I'm totally
here for it.
Speaker 9 (18:40):
Is this effort in response to congressmanment drives coming to Congress.
Speaker 12 (18:44):
Yes, and absolutely and then some. I'm not going to
stand for a man. You know, if someone with the
penis is in the women's locker room, that's not okay.
And I'm a victim of abuse myself. I'm a rape survivor.
I have PTSD from the abuse I've suffered at the
hands of a man, and i know how vulnerable women
and girls are in private spaces. So I'm absolutely, one
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hundred percent going to stand in the way of any
man who wants to be in a women's restroom, in
our locker rooms, in our changing rooms. I will be
there fighting you every.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Step of the way.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
That's Representative Nancy Mays, Republic in South Carolina, as you
rejoin us here on Ryan Schuling Live, introducing a bill
for the House floor to make sure that the women's
restrooms in the Capitol will be reserved for biological women only. Now,
this is in response you said absolutely and then some too,
Representative Sarah McBride being sworn in Democrat Delaware, the first
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transgender member of Congress. Sarah McBride is a biological male
that has transitioned to female. And to Sarah's credit, those
posts that Sarah has put on X have been ones
of asking for inclusion, asking for acceptance, asking for tolerance
and grace.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
And I have no problem with any one of those things.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
But there has to be a conversation We've had it before,
and we've had it with our next guest about where
the line is drawn between transgender rights and having the
right to exist, having the right to have private spaces,
et cetera, and not having those rights over infringe on
those of biological women who may not feel safe in
such spaces with biological men, especially those who are intact.
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Like the stories that we heard from Riley Gaines about
Leah aka William Thomas in the swim meets in which
Leah Thomas was occupying the women's changing room. The women's
locker room there recently featured in The Daily Mail with
the following headline. Trans athlete and ex vet admits she
would have had an advantage if she competed against biological women,
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even after five years of HRT.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
My friend from my.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Central Michigan days was a biological male then now identifies
as female and as part of the fight that led
to Donald Trump winning on November fifth, just two weeks ago.
Sarah Higden, who you can follow on x at Sarah
H S A R A and then letter H I
G D O N underscore. Don't forget the underscore, Sarah,
welcome back.
Speaker 9 (21:08):
Yeah, thanks again for having me. Man, it's been a
couple of crazy days for me.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I can only imagine and that my demand was just
one of several with you. I mean, you're in the
Daily Mail, et cetera. But I just want to get
you know, for those that may have not heard from
you before your reset on Nancy Mace's take there and
what you feel the solution is.
Speaker 9 (21:28):
Yeah, Well it's interesting because one one correction to that.
I did read Nancy Mayz's stuff and the rule to
actually only apply to employees at the capitol, not people
that are visiting the capitol, And so obviously it is
in response to Sarah McBride. Here's the issue I have.
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I have no issues with what Nancy Mace is doing.
I respect her her views as a survivor of sexual assault,
and in my for a long time we've talked about
this before, is I truly believe that all publicly funded buildings,
so capital buildings in general, should all have that third
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space to where trans people or people that don't feel
comfortable changing in front of other people or going to
the bathroom in front of other.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
People can use.
Speaker 9 (22:21):
It's not you know, if you have a child who
is of the opposite sex and you don't want to
take them into the changing room of you know, they're
kind of at that weird stage. Had I think that
there's always room to have that third space, and regardless
of where it is now, my line is always in
private property rights. So publicly funded spaces should always have
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that third space, and we can use them, but a
private space, so if I'm a business owner, I can
make the rules within that establishment, and then everybody else
can choose whether or not they want to go there
or not go there based on their own ideals.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
You can find out more at her website, Sarah Higdon
dot com.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
And Sarah, you're gonna be at the inauguration? Just a question?
Speaker 9 (23:06):
I am not I'm not playing on it.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
No, Okay. I was gonna say if you were there,
we could arrange the meet up.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
But I wanted to kind of go over your advice
for Representative Sarah McBride because I have compassion for Sarah
and this is uncharted waters.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I mean for the.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Congress to have to deal with this and for Sarah
to have to fit in. And Speaker Johnson was asked
about this. I want to get to this sound clip
and then have you react.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Is freshman elect Sarah mcfredy young man or a woman.
Speaker 13 (23:35):
Look, I'm not gonna get into this. We welcome all
new members with open arms, who are duly elected representatives
of the people. I believe it's a command that we
treat all persons with dignity and respect, and we will
and I'm not going to engage in silly debates about this.
There's a concern about the uses of restroom facilities and
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locker rooms and all that. This is an issue that
Congress has never had to address before, and we're going
to do that in deliberate fashion, with member consensus on it,
and we will accommodate the needs of every single person.
That's all I'm going to say about that.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Well temperate response from Speaker Johnson. There was a follow
up question. This was his response, do.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
You plan on bringing Nancy Mace's transgender bill and putting
that into the rules package.
Speaker 13 (24:21):
I'm not going to address the plans on any of that.
I just told you what I'm going to say about
the issue. I'm not going to engage in this. We
don't look down upon anyone. We treat everybody with dignity respect.
That's a principle that I pursued.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
My whole life.
Speaker 13 (24:31):
And we will take care of this issue of first
impression for Congress as we will any other thing. We'll
provide appropriate accommodation for every member of Congress.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
So along those lines, it sounds like Speaker Johnson Sarah
is in line with what you're saying. Do they need
to take up the bill proposed by Nancy Mace or
was that just a gesture by Mace to draw attention
to the issue. I just have it addressed the way
that you said, just provide a third space for Representative McBride.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
Yeah, I actually think that that's a that's a great
response from Speaker Johnson. I think that that is what
the response that most people should be.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
I think that that kind of sets the stage for
Sara McBride to come in and say, well, let's have.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
A third space.
Speaker 9 (25:12):
If i'm if he says that he's going to make
accommodations for all members, let's make sure that they're a
third space for trans people that they can use while
they're in the Capitol. I think that there is no
issues with that, and it kind of starts this conversation
on a much larger level. So I have no issues
with what either one of them are doing. I do
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think a little bit of it is political theater and
how it's been done, but I think it's being handled
actually quite well from all sides. I haven't heard anything
else from Sera McBride, but I truly think that if
she were to address and go and speak with Speaker Johnson,
then they can come to some resolution to where she's
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not uncomfortable in the Capitol because it's like everybody's taxpayers
dollars goes to paying for the capital building. So everybody
that enters that Capitol building should feel comfortable. And I
think the third space is the way to do.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
That transactivist and not the way that traditionally you might
envision it. Sarah Higden joining us a very unique figure
in this entire conversation, a content creator who you can
follow on x at Sarah Higden underscore. That's s A
r A hig d o N. Don't forget that underscore
on x SO, Sarah. I guess I just want to
use this opportunity to give you this platform to talk
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to our listeners who maybe haven't interacted with the trans
person before, and just how you handle those situations, how
you put people at ease, and how you're able to
just socialize on a regular basis, whether it's at a
GOP event or anything else.
Speaker 9 (26:40):
Yeah, I think the biggest thing that I do is
I read the rooms. For the most part, Right, I
think I've transitioned. I've been on hormones that you said
for five and a half years, and I think it's
just being a normal person understanding you know, the way
that other people feel about it, and then people respect
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you when you respect them, and so there's doesn't have
to be this back and forth us versus them mentality.
It is interesting, like like I said, I will use
whatever restroom or locker room you tell me to use.
If I don't want to do it, I just won't,
you know, go to that business right in fact that
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I just don't think that there needs to be this
much animosity. It's interesting. I went to a Trump rally,
the one that was here in Duluth by TP actions.
I was covering it for the post Millennial and I
honestly had never been recognized more than I did at
that rally, and more people coming up to me and
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wanting to take pictures and give me hugs.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
And so I say this even to show to.
Speaker 9 (27:47):
The transactis that they don't hate you. They just want
you to respect them. And so if you can listen
to each other, then people are gonna respect you no
matter what. In going into the bathroom issues really funny
because knowing my audience, knowing where I was, I wasn't
going to use the women's restroom, So I was waiting
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for the unisex restroom to open up. At one point
and one of the workers goes, ma'am, there's a there's
a women's restroom right here, and I go, I know,
thank you, and she just looked at me funny and
then walked away. But it's so interesting because most people
weren't even bat and I if you're respectful and you
just present yourself and you try to blend into society
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the other way, such a.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Great opportunity and such a great voice on this issue.
Sarah Higgden again a transidentifying female who went to school
at Central Michigan University as an undergrad when I was
a graduate student there. So glad to continue that friendship
over all these years later. And Sarah, just wonderful work
that you do. Appreciate your time here today and I
look forward to our next conversation as always.
Speaker 9 (28:53):
Yeah, absolutely, thanks for having.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Me, all right, Sarah Higdon joining us right there.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Your response five seven, seven, three nine, Your thoughts Unrepresentative
Nancy Mace and what she proposed, Speaker Johnson's reply to it,
and how do we navigate this issue with an incoming
representative who is transgender. Sarah McBride, Democrat, Delaware, who will
be sworn in in January back to wrap up with
your text five seven, seven thirty nine on Ryan Schuling
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Live after this.
Speaker 14 (29:23):
Do not use the justice system as a weapon. And
the message for Republicans is, don't do it on the
other side either with this absurd ag pick that you
just made.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Justice is different.
Speaker 14 (29:36):
It is a combination of policy, law, and also morality.
You do not use our justice system as a political weapon.
Voters rejected it in November, and they're going to reject
it if Republicans try to do it.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Also, some things.
Speaker 14 (29:51):
Rise above the den The justice system is one of
those things.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Trey Goudi, former congressman out of South Carolina, with some
disappointing commentary because Trey, the voters may have rejected the
lawfare that we witnessed, and sure that was part of it.
What did they vote for? What did the affirm in
this election? What did seventy six million Americans show up
to support?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
It?
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Was Donald Trump, his vision, his way of doing things,
and your way of doing things is over. The Rhino
Neocon establishment class of Republican that Trey Goudy represents is done.
They're losers and they enjoyed losing just a little too much.
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They were too gracious as losers. And I'm not saying
that Donald Trump should not have conceded in twenty twenty.
I think the smart play there would have been to concede,
to acknowledge there were problems of the election, that they
needed to be remedied, and that you're not happy about it,
but to hand off power and live to fight another
day and not to die on that hill, because it
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wasn't a winning hand that Donald Trump had with the
election fiasco that happened under COVID and all the different laws, etc.
I agree, it's a lot of malfeasants that happened in
various swing states. But Trey Goudy is exactly wrong here.
You cannot equate the nomination of Matt Gates for Attorney
General to the weaponization of the Department of Justice and
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a corrupt attorney general who is willing to carry water
and provide cover for the Biden administration, for the Biden family,
for Joe and Hunter both, and yet target Catholic families
out there, target the former president of the United States
with scurrilists charges. They made a mockery of the justice
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system and the Justice Department, and we need now as
the winning party. We won to the victor, go the spoils.
You might not like it, but accept it. To quote
the macho man Randy Savage, we need I gotta keep
my language clean here, Zach don't know what you won't need,
the dumb button. Matt Gates as Attorney General, Donald Trump
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as President, his entire cabinet, Pete Heegsas's Secretary Defense, all
of them. They need to unscrew what's been screwed up
by the Biden administration. And it is a mighty task
that they will have over these next two years, for sure,
and over the next four years, even assuming that the
House may flip in twenty twenty six. But it's the
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thinking of Trey Goudy that drives me insane. And I
know a lot of you out there too, and I
have these arguments with Dan Kapli's We're supposed to fight.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
With one arm tied behind our backs.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
We're supposed to take the high road and play by
the rules, while the Democrats just run rough shod and
make a mockery of everything and lie, cheat and steal.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Or we're better than them. We need to defeat them.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
And if we don't decide at some point to put
our footstep feet down and stand for something and drive
this point home and punch them figuratively, not literally, metaphorically,
not directly, politically, punch them between the eyes. Like this
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hack commissioner in Pennsylvania who willingly forwarded the law. She
should be prosecuted to the extent that the law allows
for committing to counting invalid ballots under the guys, if
you listen to her carefully, it's because.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
We ignored President on Roe v. Wade.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Therefore she felt she could ignore the president of the
Pennsylvania Supreme Court that told them specifically not to count
those ballots. This is the lawlessness that we encounter from
the left. They don't play by any rules. So we
got to fight dirty within the guardrails. But we have
to play and fight to win. And therefore I agree
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with Saraj earlier. You double down, you triple down. You
don't blink on Matt Gates
My son born in nineteen ninety one, has a slight
form of autism called Asperger's.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
But it seems and.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Again, when I was practicing law, and also when I
was in Congress, parents wouldn't constantly come to me, and
they bring me videotapes to their children, and they were
all around the age of my.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Son are younger.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
The generation happened in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Exactly the generation. What happened was the vaccine schedule was increased.
We went up from receiving about ten vaccines in our
generation to these kids received twenty four vaccines, and they
all had this time, Arisome and missus mercury, and nobody
bothered to do an analysis of what the cumulative impact
of all that mercury was doing to kids. As it
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turns out, we are injecting our children with four hundred
times the amount of mercury that FDA or EPA considered safe.
A child on his first day that he's born is
injected with a hepatitis B shot. Under eph gidelines, he
would be have to have to be two hundred and
seventy five pounds to safely absorb that shop.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
And yet we're just constantly pumping our heads with these vaccines, right.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
And what happened. What happened was that in nineteen eighty eight,
one in every twenty five hundred American children had autism. Today,
one in every one hundred and sixty six children have autism,
and plus one and six children have other kinds of
learning disorders, other kinds of neurological disorders, speech delay, language disorders,
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add hyperactivity, that all seem to be connected. That are
all connected, the science shows are all connected to autisms.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
You know, Bobby we von Arsel, you and I could
could debate a thousand different issues, whether it's Terry Shaiva
or the environment. I think would agree on the environment.
But in this case you've got the federal government coming
in and saying, well, there's no really, there's no good science.
And of course in politics, science always gets deluded. Why
hasn't the federal government stepped up and it worked more?
(01:57):
Because listen, Bobby, I can't prove it tonight, you can't
prove it. But intuitively, you look at this fight, you
look at what happened with AMERASOL, there is no doubt
in my mind. Maybe it's two years from now, maybe
it's five years from now. Maybe it's ten years from
now we're gonna find out that the Marisol causes, in
my opinion, ought to know.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
What a flashback to two thousand and five, and that
voice you just heard linking vaccines to autism was Joe
Scarborough and that was nineteen years ago, and he was
sitting there in almost virtual lockstep agreement with Robert F.
Kennedy Junior. And it's not RFK Junior who has changed.
It's Joe Scarborough who has changed. It's Joe Scarborough and
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so many on the left that are completely unmoored to principles,
like Kamala Harris and a big reason why she lost.
But when it comes to Joe and Mika and Morning Joe,
they were all Lucy goosey, laughing it up, just.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Chumming around with Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
When when Donald Trump's campaign and candidacy were a joke
in twenty fifteen, and they thought, tee, if Donald Trump
wins the Republican nomination, there's no way he'll beat our
preferred candidate, which is Hillary Clinton. And boy, you talk
about your all time backfires. So they were all friendly
with him, and Trump was going on all the time,
and Mika was just kind of star gazing at Trump
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and just haha, laughing at all of his jokes. And
then they took a turn, and they took a turn
for the worst, and then they hit rock bottom. It's
like an addiction or something. Here's Joe Scarborough not that
long ago, drawing the parallels between Donald Trump and you
guessed it, Hitler.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And then he says that the news network that.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Is most critical of him should be taken off the air.
This is not a reach. I could go back and
talk about Nazi Germany and I do it. I do
it without any concerns whatsoever. And if people can't start
drawing the parallels, well you're just stupid or you have
your head in the sand. Are You're one of them?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
So what happens when Hitler wins the election, Well, of
course you go to his bunker and meet with him.
And that's what Joe Scarborough and Mika Brazenski did. Hold on,
you're gonna get whiplash. But they're back on the Trump train,
at least for the access.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Over the past week, Joe and I have heard from
so many people, from political leaders to regular citizens, deeply
dismayed by several of President Elect Trump's cabinet selections, and
they are scared. Last Thursday, we expressed our own concerns
on this broadcast and even said we would appreciate the
opportunity to speak with the President elect himself. On Friday,
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we were given the opportunity to do just that. Joe
and I went to mar A Lago to meet personally
with President elect Trump.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It was the.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
First time we have seen him in seven years now.
Speaker 7 (04:48):
We talked about a lot of issues, including abortion, mass deportation,
threats of political retribution against political opponents and media outlets.
We talked about that a good bit and that's going
to come. Is no surprise to anybody who watches this show,
has watched it over the past year or over the
past decade, that we didn't see eye to eye on
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a lot of issues, and we told him so.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Whether you're left or right, whether you're a frequent watcher
of Morning Joe or you never watch, you've got to
believe these two are complete Charlatan's cowards, snakes, fake, fraudulent,
fugass both of them. They're a joke. They're not to
be taking seriously or credibly. And joining us now to
(05:34):
break it down further. You can follow him on x
He is a crap poster, I guess is the way
you can say it on FCC friendly airways, but he
often gets traction on that platform, and that's why he
joined us now.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Saraj A Hashmi.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
The A stands for awesome s I R A J
letter A h A s h m I saraj Welcome
back to.
Speaker 8 (05:55):
It Oil, and it's been a while, have you been.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I've been so good that I've actually evolved from Leland
to Ryan. But appreciate you catching up with us. I
know you've been out of the loop for a while,
but just makes sense of this if you can. Here
we are today marks two weeks exactly fourteen days since
Donald Trump was re elected in a landslide for a
second non consecutive term as president, and the one to
eighty we've witnessed from a lot in the media wanting
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access to him has been breathtaking.
Speaker 9 (06:26):
You know.
Speaker 8 (06:27):
The whiplash is probably the best characterization you can give
to it, because that there really is no other way
to react to this, and the fact that Joe Scarborough
and Mika Brazenski decided that they needed to just go
out on a limb here and re establish comms with
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President elect Trump just shows you to the level of
desperation I think in legacy media that exists. And for
the most part, we saw this election was a referendum
the Mars more than just obviously a uh, you know,
a political reference. There wasn't a cultural Referenceum, there's a
rejection of basically all the bs that you're seeing happening
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in American society. And the fact that Trump won an
electoral landslide and getting the popular vote shows you that
Americans are completely set up with all of this. And
whether they have different reasons for voting for Trump, you know,
whether it's economic or immigration, at the end of the day,
they voted for Trump because of his whole agenda, not
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just parts of it. And a lot of people seem
to have you know, shock and dismay, specifically on the left,
that you know, Trump is taking these you know, very unsavory,
flawed people to lead his cat to head up his cabinet.
And the only response I have to say is, well,
everyone is flawed. What makes us any better than these
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other people? If anything, the reason why Trump is selecting
these individuals is simply because they're willing to execute his agenda,
and if they're willing to burn it all down, which
is what Trump has basically been a staunch proponent of,
then I think he's got the perfect people in place,
and you know, for Joe and Mika to basically, you know,
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see the writing on the wall here. First of all,
I actually think it's a good thing that they're reestablishing
communications with them. But obviously for everyone who's you know,
not had a need of these last eight years or
almost last decade, now understands how opportunistic it is and
how disingenuous it is. I don't think that Morning Joe
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will last much longer with this approach. But look, if
you're going to take up take that road back in
twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, which Trump, you might as well
stick to your guns, because going back and kissing the
ring never looks good for anyone.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Sarrajer Hashmie joining me here on Ryan Schuling Live. And
to his point, I mean, this is where the frustration
sets in. You know, Donald Trump won a clear mandate
by both the national popular vote and the will of
the American people through the electoral College, winning all seven
swing states and chipping into margins in states like New York,
New Jersey, even Illinois.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
The blue states got less blue.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
This was a massive electoral shift in Donald Trump's direction,
and therefore to the victor go the spoils. And like
John McCain always said, elections have consequences, and even in
two thousand and eight when he lost, a lot of
the Republicans went along with Obarack Obama's nominations for his
cabinet because it's the president's cabinet to make. And that's
the point that Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, Republican Oklahoma, not
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the biggest Trump guy in the world, made in addressing
the nomination of Matt Gates for Attorney General.
Speaker 10 (09:46):
I think the president wants a hammer at the DOJ
and seen Matt Gates as a hammer and all these
other appointments he is. He's very confident and where they're
at and can deliver the administration that he's wonning. His
picks have been maybe unconventional, but we hired an unconventional president,
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and the American people wanted that. They don't want politics
as usual. They want someone that's going to shake up Washington, DC.
And the President Trump proved he could do that. In
twenty sixteen, and we've had great results with the economy.
That followed, the American people saw what happened underneath the
Biden administration and.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
It went to.
Speaker 10 (10:23):
I'm going to use good words here. It went to
heck in a hand basket. And then we see where
the American people said, we're tired of that. We want
something different. So the American people want it to be
showke up. And the President is maybe using some picks
for these positions. That's not conventional, but it's what the
American people wanted.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
And Saraj when I watched the trend line of voter
support for Donald Trump, and he lost the popular vote
in twenty sixteen, but won the electoral college. He got
more votes in twenty twenty. We can debate or dispute
eighty one million votes for Biden. Biden won the election,
so be it. But Donald Trump gets even more votes
this time around, increasing in each election cycle. With everything
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the left through Adam with Russia collusion, the hoax, the
impeachments January sixth, the indictments, the convictions, the assassination attempt.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
What does this say about Trump?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
His legacy, him sticking to his guns on these nominees
for his Cabinet.
Speaker 8 (11:18):
Well, Leland, I have to say, you know, if you're
if you're not a religious man, I'd say, you know,
this is the time to find God, because there's probably
no no way to explain anything that happened in these
last couple of years other than divine intervention. The fact
that the bullet miss Trump within nanoseconds of killing him
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just kind of goes to show you that there's like that.
If you don't believe in God, I think it's time
to start believing because there's some grand divine plan that's
happening for America. And you know, what do you get
caught up or and what do you believe or not?
You know, entirely up to you. But I think there's
I think America was saying with this election. I mean,
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I don't like to get into hyperbole. You know, I
don't think it would have been our last election, but
I think the I don't think America would have I
think America would have had a very difficult time recovering
from a Kamal Harris presidency simply because of what Democrats
were trying to do by you know, fast tracking illegal
immigrants on a pathway to citizenship and basically securing them
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as a voting block, you wouldn't have a free and
fair election. I mean the whole purpose of citizenship, the
privileges that come with it. Of course, these people are
subject to our laws, not subject to our rights. So
if you make them subject to our rights, then what's
the point of even being a citizen of this country.
It's just there's no like the there's there has to
be some merit based to it. And I think what
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everything that the Democrats were going for was not based
in merit or logic or even reasoning. It was just
based in, oh, this feels good, and you know, these
are vibes, and all of a sudden, like they couldn't,
they finally discovered the reality is that you can't win
an election on bobs only, and with these cabinet picks. Look,
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Trump can't give up an hitch. He did that in
his first term and the Dems, the Democrats took a mile,
they took several miles. In fact, I think one of
you know, some people say Trump's biggest asset, of strongest
ass is he let let's buy gones be bygones. But
in the context of how he was wronged by not
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only the Justice Department with all the law fair, but
the agencies that screwed him over when he was president,
including the AHS National Institute of Health, and iid Drew
Fauci like, there needs to be justice, There needs to
be repercussions. He will can't get away with this stuff.
And I hope that at least, if anything, President Trump
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sets a very clear example that the rule of law
is supposed to be followed and no one is above
the law.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Our guest, Saraj a Hashmi on x is where you
can find him. And when we look for vibes, Saraj
and me, when we look for merit, logic and reason,
we turn our lonely eyes to the view and specifically
Joy Behar and is she actually right here now?
Speaker 11 (14:12):
Reportedly the GOP senators are being called on by you
know who to push the nomination through no matter what
they think.
Speaker 9 (14:20):
They'll vow to the pressure.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Even with all these allegations.
Speaker 11 (14:24):
Do you think that's possible?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
What do you think is.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Going to happen?
Speaker 11 (14:27):
I think they'll bow to the pressure. But I think
that what he's doing, it seems to me, is like
putting gates out there as like a sacrificial lamb of
some sort, like for instance, like you want to buy
your kid wants a dog, right, so you bring home
and you don't want a dog, right, so you bring
home a pitbull and then to bring a chihuahua. So
the pitbull goes and the chiaha stays.
Speaker 8 (14:49):
Yaa.
Speaker 9 (14:49):
Can be pretty nasty.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I love them.
Speaker 11 (14:52):
It's like throw met Gates out there so that the
others don't look as bad.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
That's does Joy have a pointer or is she overthinking?
Speaker 8 (15:01):
No? I think actually that might be one of one
of Joy Behar's more salient points that I've heard. I've
thought about that possibility. I also thought about the possibility
that Matt Gates. The Matt Gates pick was designed to
test the loyalty of these Republican senators, to see how
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if they're willing to play ball, and if they aren't
willing to play ball. Obviously, Trump has the path plays
constitutionally to get John Thune, the Senate majority leader, to
declare a reset. I think I saw a report on
the news wire, you know, last night, saying that Trump
is not confident that the Gates nomination will go through. Well,
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he's gonna have to continue to back and you can't
pull away now, it's too late for that. And I
think with Matt Gates, he resigned from Congress, maybe it
was a four D chests play to try to get
him out of Congress and basically and the ethics investigation
and then to him. But for the most part, you know,
I think, you know Gates, Gates has definitely the toughest
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uptill battle. Does he get the actual confirmation? Honestly, I
have no idea, but the idea that he was nominated
in the first place I heard that it was it
never actually uh was run by the Chief of Staff,
Sudie Wilde. So it's one of those things where if
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you you know Trump, obviously the president elect has you know,
the that you know, you the further the president right
on all these decisions. But I think it's interesting that
he still has a you know, the system of checks
and balances or gut checks really where he run things
by other people in his team. And you know, you're
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starting to see a little bit more and more tensions
sort of build up. These factions are starting to war
with each other, Elon Musk and more sep Steams. You know,
a lot of different characters within Trump circle are starting
to you know, you know, have different points of view
that leads to, you know, more animosity. It will be
interesting to see what happens. But I think for the
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most part, this is the kind of what was the
It was both an asset and also maybe a detriment
to the first Trump administration is that you have all
these competing factions trying to buy for power and ultimately
hurt the president's agenda. So my hope is that at
least in the second go around, you have a little
bit more unity built up.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Double down, triple down, stick with the program.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
We bought the ticket, meaning Saraj, myself, everybody who voted
for Trump, and we will take the ride. Gladly. You
can take the ride on X with him at sarag
A hash me. That's s I R A J letter
A h A s h M I Saraj always great
catching up.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 8 (17:49):
Thanks Leland. Always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Second the past, back to the future.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Saraj hashm joining me there, take your thoughts, your text
five seven seven three nine, and when we come back,
we're going to tackle this issue that Representative Nancy Mace
has opened up with a bill introduced on the House
floor to limit women's restrooms at the Capitol to biological
women only. There's an incoming trans member of Congress from
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Delaware that this will affect directly, and joining us next
a trans woman herself, Sarah Higden, my good friend from
Central Michigan University days and a transactivist and a Trump supporter,
will give her thoughts on the matter when we come back.
Keep it right here on Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 12 (18:36):
That being a feminist makes me an extremist, I'm totally
here for it.
Speaker 9 (18:40):
Is this effort in response to congressmanment drives coming to Congress.
Speaker 12 (18:44):
Yes, and absolutely and then some. I'm not going to
stand for a man. You know, if someone with the
penis is in the women's locker room, that's not okay.
And I'm a victim of abuse myself. I'm a rape survivor.
I have PTSD from the abuse I've suffered at the
hands of a man, and i know how vulnerable women
and girls are in private spaces. So I'm absolutely, one
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hundred percent going to stand in the way of any
man who wants to be in a women's restroom, in
our locker rooms, in our changing rooms. I will be
there fighting you every.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Step of the way.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
That's Representative Nancy Mays, Republic in South Carolina, as you
rejoin us here on Ryan Schuling Live, introducing a bill
for the House floor to make sure that the women's
restrooms in the Capitol will be reserved for biological women only. Now,
this is in response you said absolutely and then some too,
Representative Sarah McBride being sworn in Democrat Delaware, the first
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transgender member of Congress. Sarah McBride is a biological male
that has transitioned to female. And to Sarah's credit, those
posts that Sarah has put on X have been ones
of asking for inclusion, asking for acceptance, asking for tolerance
and grace.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
And I have no problem with any one of those things.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
But there has to be a conversation We've had it before,
and we've had it with our next guest about where
the line is drawn between transgender rights and having the
right to exist, having the right to have private spaces,
et cetera, and not having those rights over infringe on
those of biological women who may not feel safe in
such spaces with biological men, especially those who are intact.
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Like the stories that we heard from Riley Gaines about
Leah aka William Thomas in the swim meets in which
Leah Thomas was occupying the women's changing room. The women's
locker room there recently featured in The Daily Mail with
the following headline. Trans athlete and ex vet admits she
would have had an advantage if she competed against biological women,
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even after five years of HRT.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
My friend from my.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Central Michigan days was a biological male then now identifies
as female and as part of the fight that led
to Donald Trump winning on November fifth, just two weeks ago.
Sarah Higden, who you can follow on x at Sarah
H S A R A and then letter H I
G D O N underscore. Don't forget the underscore, Sarah,
welcome back.
Speaker 9 (21:08):
Yeah, thanks again for having me. Man, it's been a
couple of crazy days for me.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I can only imagine and that my demand was just
one of several with you. I mean, you're in the
Daily Mail, et cetera. But I just want to get
you know, for those that may have not heard from
you before your reset on Nancy Mace's take there and
what you feel the solution is.
Speaker 9 (21:28):
Yeah, Well it's interesting because one one correction to that.
I did read Nancy Mayz's stuff and the rule to
actually only apply to employees at the capitol, not people
that are visiting the capitol, And so obviously it is
in response to Sarah McBride. Here's the issue I have.
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I have no issues with what Nancy Mace is doing.
I respect her her views as a survivor of sexual assault,
and in my for a long time we've talked about
this before, is I truly believe that all publicly funded buildings,
so capital buildings in general, should all have that third
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space to where trans people or people that don't feel
comfortable changing in front of other people or going to
the bathroom in front of other.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
People can use.
Speaker 9 (22:21):
It's not you know, if you have a child who
is of the opposite sex and you don't want to
take them into the changing room of you know, they're
kind of at that weird stage. Had I think that
there's always room to have that third space, and regardless
of where it is now, my line is always in
private property rights. So publicly funded spaces should always have
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that third space, and we can use them, but a
private space, so if I'm a business owner, I can
make the rules within that establishment, and then everybody else
can choose whether or not they want to go there
or not go there based on their own ideals.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
You can find out more at her website, Sarah Higdon
dot com.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
And Sarah, you're gonna be at the inauguration? Just a question?
Speaker 9 (23:06):
I am not I'm not playing on it.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
No, Okay. I was gonna say if you were there,
we could arrange the meet up.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
But I wanted to kind of go over your advice
for Representative Sarah McBride because I have compassion for Sarah
and this is uncharted waters.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I mean for the.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Congress to have to deal with this and for Sarah
to have to fit in. And Speaker Johnson was asked
about this. I want to get to this sound clip
and then have you react.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Is freshman elect Sarah mcfredy young man or a woman.
Speaker 13 (23:35):
Look, I'm not gonna get into this. We welcome all
new members with open arms, who are duly elected representatives
of the people. I believe it's a command that we
treat all persons with dignity and respect, and we will
and I'm not going to engage in silly debates about this.
There's a concern about the uses of restroom facilities and
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locker rooms and all that. This is an issue that
Congress has never had to address before, and we're going
to do that in deliberate fashion, with member consensus on it,
and we will accommodate the needs of every single person.
That's all I'm going to say about that.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Well temperate response from Speaker Johnson. There was a follow
up question. This was his response, do.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
You plan on bringing Nancy Mace's transgender bill and putting
that into the rules package.
Speaker 13 (24:21):
I'm not going to address the plans on any of that.
I just told you what I'm going to say about
the issue. I'm not going to engage in this. We
don't look down upon anyone. We treat everybody with dignity respect.
That's a principle that I pursued.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
My whole life.
Speaker 13 (24:31):
And we will take care of this issue of first
impression for Congress as we will any other thing. We'll
provide appropriate accommodation for every member of Congress.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
So along those lines, it sounds like Speaker Johnson Sarah
is in line with what you're saying. Do they need
to take up the bill proposed by Nancy Mace or
was that just a gesture by Mace to draw attention
to the issue. I just have it addressed the way
that you said, just provide a third space for Representative McBride.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
Yeah, I actually think that that's a that's a great
response from Speaker Johnson. I think that that is what
the response that most people should be.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
I think that that kind of sets the stage for
Sara McBride to come in and say, well, let's have.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
A third space.
Speaker 9 (25:12):
If i'm if he says that he's going to make
accommodations for all members, let's make sure that they're a
third space for trans people that they can use while
they're in the Capitol. I think that there is no
issues with that, and it kind of starts this conversation
on a much larger level. So I have no issues
with what either one of them are doing. I do
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think a little bit of it is political theater and
how it's been done, but I think it's being handled
actually quite well from all sides. I haven't heard anything
else from Sera McBride, but I truly think that if
she were to address and go and speak with Speaker Johnson,
then they can come to some resolution to where she's
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not uncomfortable in the Capitol because it's like everybody's taxpayers
dollars goes to paying for the capital building. So everybody
that enters that Capitol building should feel comfortable. And I
think the third space is the way to do.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
That transactivist and not the way that traditionally you might
envision it. Sarah Higden joining us a very unique figure
in this entire conversation, a content creator who you can
follow on x at Sarah Higden underscore. That's s A
r A hig d o N. Don't forget that underscore
on x SO, Sarah. I guess I just want to
use this opportunity to give you this platform to talk
(26:26):
to our listeners who maybe haven't interacted with the trans
person before, and just how you handle those situations, how
you put people at ease, and how you're able to
just socialize on a regular basis, whether it's at a
GOP event or anything else.
Speaker 9 (26:40):
Yeah, I think the biggest thing that I do is
I read the rooms. For the most part, Right, I
think I've transitioned. I've been on hormones that you said
for five and a half years, and I think it's
just being a normal person understanding you know, the way
that other people feel about it, and then people respect
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you when you respect them, and so there's doesn't have
to be this back and forth us versus them mentality.
It is interesting, like like I said, I will use
whatever restroom or locker room you tell me to use.
If I don't want to do it, I just won't,
you know, go to that business right in fact that
(27:22):
I just don't think that there needs to be this
much animosity. It's interesting. I went to a Trump rally,
the one that was here in Duluth by TP actions.
I was covering it for the post Millennial and I
honestly had never been recognized more than I did at
that rally, and more people coming up to me and
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wanting to take pictures and give me hugs.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
And so I say this even to show to.
Speaker 9 (27:47):
The transactis that they don't hate you. They just want
you to respect them. And so if you can listen
to each other, then people are gonna respect you no
matter what. In going into the bathroom issues really funny
because knowing my audience, knowing where I was, I wasn't
going to use the women's restroom, So I was waiting
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for the unisex restroom to open up. At one point
and one of the workers goes, ma'am, there's a there's
a women's restroom right here, and I go, I know,
thank you, and she just looked at me funny and
then walked away. But it's so interesting because most people
weren't even bat and I if you're respectful and you
just present yourself and you try to blend into society
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the other way, such a.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Great opportunity and such a great voice on this issue.
Sarah Higgden again a transidentifying female who went to school
at Central Michigan University as an undergrad when I was
a graduate student there. So glad to continue that friendship
over all these years later. And Sarah, just wonderful work
that you do. Appreciate your time here today and I
look forward to our next conversation as always.
Speaker 9 (28:53):
Yeah, absolutely, thanks for having.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Me, all right, Sarah Higdon joining us right there.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Your response five seven, seven, three nine, Your thoughts Unrepresentative
Nancy Mace and what she proposed, Speaker Johnson's reply to it,
and how do we navigate this issue with an incoming
representative who is transgender. Sarah McBride, Democrat, Delaware, who will
be sworn in in January back to wrap up with
your text five seven, seven thirty nine on Ryan Schuling
(29:17):
Live after this.
Speaker 14 (29:23):
Do not use the justice system as a weapon. And
the message for Republicans is, don't do it on the
other side either with this absurd ag pick that you
just made.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Justice is different.
Speaker 14 (29:36):
It is a combination of policy, law, and also morality.
You do not use our justice system as a political weapon.
Voters rejected it in November, and they're going to reject
it if Republicans try to do it.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Also, some things.
Speaker 14 (29:51):
Rise above the den The justice system is one of
those things.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Trey Goudi, former congressman out of South Carolina, with some
disappointing commentary because Trey, the voters may have rejected the
lawfare that we witnessed, and sure that was part of it.
What did they vote for? What did the affirm in
this election? What did seventy six million Americans show up
to support?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
It?
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Was Donald Trump, his vision, his way of doing things,
and your way of doing things is over. The Rhino
Neocon establishment class of Republican that Trey Goudy represents is done.
They're losers and they enjoyed losing just a little too much.
(30:37):
They were too gracious as losers. And I'm not saying
that Donald Trump should not have conceded in twenty twenty.
I think the smart play there would have been to concede,
to acknowledge there were problems of the election, that they
needed to be remedied, and that you're not happy about it,
but to hand off power and live to fight another
day and not to die on that hill, because it
(30:57):
wasn't a winning hand that Donald Trump had with the
election fiasco that happened under COVID and all the different laws, etc.
I agree, it's a lot of malfeasants that happened in
various swing states. But Trey Goudy is exactly wrong here.
You cannot equate the nomination of Matt Gates for Attorney
General to the weaponization of the Department of Justice and
(31:20):
a corrupt attorney general who is willing to carry water
and provide cover for the Biden administration, for the Biden family,
for Joe and Hunter both, and yet target Catholic families
out there, target the former president of the United States
with scurrilists charges. They made a mockery of the justice
(31:42):
system and the Justice Department, and we need now as
the winning party. We won to the victor, go the spoils.
You might not like it, but accept it. To quote
the macho man Randy Savage, we need I gotta keep
my language clean here, Zach don't know what you won't need,
the dumb button. Matt Gates as Attorney General, Donald Trump
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as President, his entire cabinet, Pete Heegsas's Secretary Defense, all
of them. They need to unscrew what's been screwed up
by the Biden administration. And it is a mighty task
that they will have over these next two years, for sure,
and over the next four years, even assuming that the
House may flip in twenty twenty six. But it's the
(32:28):
thinking of Trey Goudy that drives me insane. And I
know a lot of you out there too, and I
have these arguments with Dan Kapli's We're supposed to fight.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
With one arm tied behind our backs.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
We're supposed to take the high road and play by
the rules, while the Democrats just run rough shod and
make a mockery of everything and lie, cheat and steal.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Or we're better than them. We need to defeat them.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
And if we don't decide at some point to put
our footstep feet down and stand for something and drive
this point home and punch them figuratively, not literally, metaphorically,
not directly, politically, punch them between the eyes. Like this
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hack commissioner in Pennsylvania who willingly forwarded the law. She
should be prosecuted to the extent that the law allows
for committing to counting invalid ballots under the guys, if
you listen to her carefully, it's because.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
We ignored President on Roe v. Wade.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Therefore she felt she could ignore the president of the
Pennsylvania Supreme Court that told them specifically not to count
those ballots. This is the lawlessness that we encounter from
the left. They don't play by any rules. So we
got to fight dirty within the guardrails. But we have
to play and fight to win. And therefore I agree
(33:54):
with Saraj earlier. You double down, you triple down. You
don't blink on Matt Gates
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