Algorithm Ghetto With Tesstamona

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Speaker 3 (02:41):
Do you feel like I do win this algorithm? Ghetto sensors?
So I'm talking and go so my thought crimes. Don't
show any word you say against the big they puts
you on you and if it's true, we'll pre ease
your banks.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Do you think we'll see?

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Our digital culture has been built on a promise of
extending our awareness, increasing our connections, and providing discovery at
a pace never experienced by humanity. Instead, we have the
tech oligarchs who have encircled us in Algorithm in an
Algorithm Ghetto. Algorithm Ghetto is the title of a new
release by Testimona, a singer and writer who examines the

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themes of medium manipulation, divide and conquered tactics using AI
and algorithms that hurt us into silos and keep us there.
What drew me to Testimona's work is how her songs
deliver the message that I've struggled to bring to people
for some time. Thank you so much for joining me.
This is an honor to speak to you. I really
appreciate you joining the podcast.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Likewise, it feels like we know each other already just
from linking on the substock and all the conversations the
last few month. But thank you also for having this
conversation tonight.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, so, like I said, I I I think it
was I think it was Christopher Cook or I think
it was Christopher Cook who shot It's because on Fridays
he does like he does like a music thing on
a subject. Yeah, yeah, and held you and I'm like,
Dan and I saw that and like my job fell

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and I'm like, damn, this is like this is like
a far superior version of of my godcept. And I
worked with two other fantastic people, so I have to
include them in this, in the concept called several conscience.
But man, you really nailed this. So for you, you

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see something in people, it's a change in behavior. And
I was hoping we'd just start off examining that and
then we can kind of we can lead it to
where what led you to write this song? And we'll
also play these uh but yeah, I just wanted to
just wanted to start off there with that, with.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
That topic regarding the way that we're seeing the severed
conscience and Wilburn consciousness.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yet, yeah, well, what what brought you? What what made
you aware? Because obviously said you know, you saw that
something was something was up and it stirred something in
you that now you've started started you on this path.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Oh, okay, so I won't go all the way back.
But as far as what made me aware that that
awareness moment, or that's commonly referred to as like it's
this is played out but being red pilled. That happened
when I was like sixteens. Okay, so I was sort
of aware of, you know, things that are called conspiracy.
But now it's like, it's pretty much fact. I mean,

(05:45):
it's more impressive if somebody doesn't believe it at this point.
But so that started a long time ago, so like already,
you know, I just never really believed kind of a
lot most things. But obviously twenty twenty was a massive
game changer, just as just in the fact that people

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who have known you their entire life and who you
know love you and are your own kin in some
cases could have turned on you because of what the
TV told them and in a very very short amount
of time, coupled with the deployment of propaganda tactics using
social media, the way that the hive mind was weaponized

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using social media hashtags, it was insane, It was absolutely insane.
So it was really the perfect recipe of put everybody
in their house and put them in front of a
screen and people just instantly entered this collective hypnosis. And
you know, we mentioned this off air, but when we

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talk about a lack of agency when it comes to
having the ability to think for ourselves or discern or
perhaps consider more than one point of view before going
completely batshit, insane was out the window. And you could
argue that it was struggling before that, but after that

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that was very impressive. And it was also with the
rollout of five G as well. So the reason why
Algorithm Ghetto I wrote that, Actually I'm trying to think.
I think I wrote that in twenty January of twenty
twenty three, so it actually took me a while to
release it, and it was born out of having been

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censored on the Internet as an artist and as just
as a human being right for years. But it really
got bad twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two,
and by twenty twenty three as a person who was
and still is pursuing music full time, and I could,
you know, I was getting stuff taken down, I was

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getting locked out of accounts, I was getting strikes for
absolute bullshit reasons. In my opinion, it was it was
it was like I could release, you know, a song
that I had put my heart and soul into, or
speak a truth in the form of a podcast or
video that was very important and people needed to hear

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about it. And it was like throwing it into a
silo and then just for for god knows however long,
you know, you're just you're muted. Because there's the type
of censorship where you are deleted, and then there's the
type of censorship where you're just hidden. That's the whole. Like,
freedom of speech is not freedom of reach. That cute

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little thing that that Twitter said. So the reason why
that song came about is I had a consultation with
somebody and I was like, look, yeah, and a lot
of people, I mean everyone was getting censored around that time,
you know, so I'm like, look, this is what's going on.
He's a media guy, and so he looked at my
stuff and he was like, honestly, he's like, with how

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with with where you're at? And he's like, I don't
see you being able to push past this. I think
you need to delete everything, change your artist name, and
start over entirely. And that's a big thing to say
to somebody who has been making music for a long time,
and at that time, I had a podcast, I don't know,

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maybe fifteen twenty songs to my name, a website like
you know, I had just I think I had just
started a substack as well. So just changing everything in
hopes that I wouldn't get censored to the point where
I could actually talk or sing or release music or
whatever was a big deal. So I really pondered on that,

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and I was gonna do it, and then I talked
to some of my other friends who are podcasters, and
one guy in particular, this dude has been through like like,
this dude's been legitimately like lifetime ban off of things
so many times to where he actually covers his face
now when he currently broadcasts, and he's gone through like

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so many devices. But these these people explained to me
what it would really take for me to essentially have
a new digital identity that didn't have a track record
of wrong think. And I just snapped when I realized
how caged in we were to where I was like,

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you know, part of my story, I've been clean for
fifteen years, clean and sober, but back when I was younger,
I got mixed up into crime and drugs, and it
was so much easier to hide from the police than
it is to hide from algorithms and the AI thought police.
I mean, it's you can't they have your biometric data.

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Every app we have on our phone is harvesting. When
I say everything, I mean everything, like not just your contacts,
not just your facial recognition, not just your emails and
the rate at which you text, but but your your
buy all of your biometric data, to the point where

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I would have to change my voice, change the way
I talk, change the way I walk, wear a face mask, like,
and I would have to move, like just all this
crazy shit and anything that had to do with my
life up until that moment could never come anywhere near
this device if I even wanted a shot, and if

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you slip once, that's it. So it's like I realized
that I was already boxed in, and I had a
lot of hopelessness around that of like, is this this
thing that I've been fighting so hard to do as
with my life's work, Is this is this where it ends?
Is this is this it? Because you know, I traveled

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across the country, moved to get away from the COVID
tyranny and the JAB mandates, which I obviously didn't comply with,
but I moved across the country just at a chance
to be to enter a public building without papers and
to be able to participate in society. And this was
still going on. So that was where algorithm ghetto came from.

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I think the first lyric it just came out of me.
It didn't even make it into the final cut, but
it's the first lyric was I feel like a digital
prisoner in an algorithm ghetto because it was at the
point where not even a VPN, nothing like. It just
was so much deeper than I realized. And I never
realized until I tried to have control over my own

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anonymity and it was not possible.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, and so see I when I started out on
social media and now people see my face, I started
out because I started out always being anonymous. When I
was writing a blog too back in two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight and my company, I wanted to

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know if you were out doing publishing that type of thing,
and this was I was publishing my thoughts about you know,
about software and business and stuff. And it has nothing
to do with nothing to do with their trade secrets.
But The thing was, I knew if I went to ask,
they would say no, right, So it's that type of thing.
It's easier, it's easier to beg for forgiveness than to
ask for permission. And I'm like, you know, I don't

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need to ask your permission anyway. And so the the
this this you know, this idea, and I've I've really burned,
you know it having to start over. I mean, you
know it's like on social media, the filtering and freedom
of reach is it is so bad, you know that.

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Uh it. I'm I'm the guy who believed in the
early days of the web that hey, this was going
to enable so much for us, and it did in
so many ways. But this promise of hey, you're gonna
be able to just make all these connections, and really
that was they've they've really turned that off. And then

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the track and still to this day this tracking, and
I've had people have telled me for years, oh bullshit, now,
oh you're just mean. I was like, no, Look, look, look,
you know I'm sitting here right, I'm not able to
get you. You're just not seeing where you be. They're
asking where you've been. I've been here, you know, so

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they've been very very good at this isolation, you know,
this this freedom of reach thing. It's I think it's
it's for me. You know, there's certain there's certain key
moments in life that you have. And I sometimes I
think I think too dramatically, but like there's key moments
in your life, like you just describe. It's like you

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sit down with someone or you just you you see
something and this recognition comes and there's like this shift
and it's almost like a shift in the room and
it sounds like that you sort of had that moment
that it's like, you know, is that temptation? And then
you step and then you step back? So what what

(15:13):
was what was the big thing that that helped you?
What was the big turning point that she says, you know,
fuck this, I'm not giving anything up. I'm I'm gonna
go with the route that I'm gonna go. And then
obviously the song came from that, But what what was
what was that in your fiber that said that made
you resist still?

Speaker 4 (15:31):
So so I never did give up. There was a
lot that happened in my personal life that I think
some of it's a little bit dark, but let's just
say I went through some some some stuff that you
could say was traumatic, right, that doesn't have anything with music,
but the beauty of coming through that. That's part of

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why it took so long to release this song. Is
a lot of times when we go through these brutal
you know, they're almost they're like ego deaths, right, And
so all of the things that aren't real about us
or perhaps maladaptive traits, a lot of the times we
can shed those then, and for me, that was there
was a lot that went into that, right. So the

(16:14):
biggest thing was I was coming at things as head on,
direct and aggressively as possible, and you just can't, Like,
you just can't. You're gonna get blocked. It's like ramming
into a steel wall. So I had to have some
tact I was very stubborn and did not want to
and so I was continuing to have you I mean,

(16:35):
you're gonna have issues either way, right, Like I've had
censorship issues with both releases of Algorithm Ghetto because there's
two versions out. It's like, all right, I expect some
of it at this point, but but not as bad
as like some of the stuff that I was doing
and saying. So what that. What that experience did was
it softened me a bit and I stepped back. Actually,

(16:59):
so for about a year, I was not on any
social media at all except substack, but I wouldn't even
consider substack back then. That was before they even had
the app, so it was just long form articles. I
started sharing poetry. Eventually I started sharing music again because
there was a couple month pause and then I got

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back to the music and just a long story short.
As far as my personal process, what I started to
see was I evolved as a person to where I was.
I wanted to be more solution based and incorporate more
of the healing aspect because what I was also seeing is, hey,

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all of us, you know, people in this community just
screaming about the problem. It's really not helping. Like it's
one thing to raise awareness, but if you don't have solutions,
it's actually makes the problem worse because people get stuck there.
And I was part of that as well. So I think,

(18:03):
you know, I had a bit of a change even
in my sound as an artist, like I just I
just I think the the allowing myself to step out
of being how aggressive I was and a little bit
more into my innate softer side. It's not like I'm
still not plenty direct, because I am. But you know,
the it was last April, I think when I got

(18:25):
the idea for the upcoming album, which is called Ghost
in the Machine, and that has very similar Now it's
evolved into something way bigger than just like you know,
censorship and stuff like that. But originally that was the
idea and I'm like, oh, Algorithm Ghetto. So when me
and my co producer got together to start the album, uh,

(18:46):
the first one that we picked back up because it
was just like an unfinished project was Algorithm Ghetto and
that's and it just came right through. So it was
already all the lyrics and vocals were already done. But
we so you you know how, we just released the
subversion remix and those instrumentals are way different than the original.

(19:06):
So the remix was actually the first version of Algorithm Ghetto,
and I didn't release it. I mean, we made changes too,
but those instrumentals, that was how it sounded at first,
and something about it, I'm like, it just doesn't feel
right and I don't know why, but it doesn't feel right.
So I didn't release it. And then when we got
together to do the album. We did it in like

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an indie blues fashion with all live instruments. It was
not you know, loops like digital produced like the remix is,
and that gave it a completely different energy. I feel
as well. But I think the answer is that I
had to grow a bit as a person, and I
also had to be very tactical about making sure that

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when I am introducing a topic that is so complex
and is somewhat of a cyanide pill, that I also
am including a solution in with that message.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, yeah, because I think, like you're saying, the more
you cogitate on that, I think that's that causes a
deeper and worse spiral, you know, because.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yes, yeah, it has to. It has to go somewhere
because otherwise, like I mean, if we think about when
we first woke up to stuff, right, like when I
was sixteen, I was running around my hometown with my
boyfriend and we were we had a staple gun and
we would pote. We would staple flyers all around the
town that said nine to eleven was an inside job.

(20:31):
That's like what we did as teenagers. Like we'd go
to all like the grocery stores, where they had the
community like bulletin boars and the whole thing is just
like all info Wars and nine to eleven. Yes, yeah,
and so that's what I was doing when I was
a teenager, you know. So, but it's like it can't
it can't stay there because now we're all grown, you

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know what I mean. So it's like, what is the solution.
We cannot because some people really do just just kind
of get it, get in it for the grift, and
it's like suddenly being into conspiracies becomes like their personality
and I'm like, well, that's not really the point, and
that's it. Just again it's a trap. So the people
that I met when I lived in Tennessee who were

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living off the grid, homesteading, you know, very into permaculture,
just no reliance on the system. Uh, they inspired me
a lot, a lot as far as making sure that
I'm it's like, all right, cool, the world is worlding
right now and it's going completely off the fucking rails.
That has not deviated from the New World Order since

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we found out about it, So what are we gonna do?

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Right?

Speaker 4 (21:40):
So that's a much more empowering way to come from
it or to excuse me.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, well, I think that the you know, one of
the reasons why the themes that I see a lot
of or at least who I've gravitated to yourself and
others on substack, A lot of people are about the
solutions because we have reached this point. It's like, we
could be talking about this over and over and over again,
but what are those next steps because yes, there's a

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lot of people who don't understand. Uh. And you know,
it's so I struggle with, Okay, you just got to
leave people behind, or you do or you have to
be able to you have to build a community, right
and you know, if there's ten of you, okay, great,
but if there's a hundred of you, maybe that's better.
You know, we can't be because the thing is, if

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we go off and we build a community of two people,
you're just as isolated as though you're you know, you're
in your you know, you're in your your silo, you know,
online in summers in some respects. So it's uh. The
and when we did severed conscience coming to the end,

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the conclusion is that we felt the same. It's like,
you know, what what are solutions? You know, we see
this and hopefully other people see you know, the hypnosis
lot of it. But what do we do? You know?
And and as the older dude, right, I'm fifty nine,
So I lived in the world I lived in. I

(23:09):
lived in the world of Magnum p I right where
there was nothing right. You go watch that show and
this is one of the things. It's like I got
I started. I watched that show like again, like twenty
seventeen or eighteen. I'm like, damn, there's no technology in this,
but it's it. It's so it's so different. No one's
being tracked on the device, as people look different, as
they look healthier, all of this, and we we we

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have adopted, we have adopted something that's preventing us from
from looking for solutions. Uh. And I think that that's
that's like and it's I struggle too. There's oh shoot,
what's the name of the boy is. It's called Stolen
Focus by Stolen Focused by Johann Hari And basically it's

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the same thing with the algorithm algorithm ghetto. And here's
here's the book here.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yeah, I'm gonna write that Stolen Focus.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Why you can't it's probably if it's showing backwards. I'll
send you.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
No, it actually shows the right way.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah it does, Okay, Mine, it's backwards, So I'll send
you that. I'll send you the author title. It's the
same thing what we've been talking about, right, but the
but the solution is different because I read that book
and I'm damn that sucks, because the solution there is like, well,
you know, we have to bind together and we have
to get government involved with this because this is this
is uh you know, yeah, no, no, it don't work.

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That don't work, and and this idea, you know, it's
like and I don't want to call people out, but
but you know, author has certain things in here that
that he says that well, it's like it's like the
food industry. Something needs to be done because people are
getting fat. And my reaction is, well yes, maybe, but

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maybe too. You have to make that conscious choice yourself.
That's where it all starts, and that's where it all
ends in the end. So if I go, look, I
need people to form a community with me because I
need the voice to make government. You want government in there.
You're inviting people to co op what you're trying to achieve.
I mean, it's just in your it's a different hive mind.

(25:15):
You it's a hive mind solution for a hive mind solution,
and that I don't think that works.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
No, I oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
I mean, if you were still there, go ahead, go
ahead on.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
No, I mean, I agree, and that can be a
tough thing. The way that I look at it now
is so we all respect sovereignty, right, and if someone
else's sovereign choice is to continue playing the Gladiator Savior games,
or continue voting, or continue with asking for more government,

(25:47):
continue wanting to live in the artificial womb, okay, you know,
because the entire system really does operate off of consent,
you know. With one of the end results of artificial
untel and what they're doing with it, it will then
remove the need for human consent in any system at all.
But up until that point, all of this runs on

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our consent. So other, like other people are still going
to keep choosing that shit just be even if they
knew all the things and you put it in front
of their face, like the thought of taking personal responsibility
for your life and living a different way where everything's
just not instantly Amazon primed to you. To some people,

(26:34):
they're just flat out not interested in that, and that's
that's their right, that's their choice to make. I think
it can be kind of like a ball and chain
for people, like as if we get too hung up
on trying to wake people up, because I feel we
are so we're so far past that. And perhaps I'm
a little bit jaded in that respect because I'm just like,
I'm not even like i don't even want to deal

(26:56):
with it, like let's just go like the people who
are going and can go and you know whatever. But
but yeah, it's with with the masses that there's no
way right. But but you don't need the masses. There's
already people that live in intentional communities that are off grid.
They still operate, you know, parallel to society that I

(27:18):
mean Derek Brows and his community, they're an incredible example
of that. He's he co founded Freedom Cells, he's on
substack took, but he throws the People's Reset every year
in Mexico, and he's the founder of the Conscious Resistance.
You would you would really dig his stuff because he's
very very solution based and there's a very large global

(27:39):
community that will show up to those events. So it's
all it's definitely already happening. You definitely can't can't take
everybody with you, but but you know whoever is willing, Yeah,
you know that's and we all have our own call
to answer as well, you know what I mean, We
all have different roles to play and in this play

(28:01):
of whatever is unfolding at this time on Earth.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
So you just mentioned something about that we're giving our
consent now, but you said before that, you said that
AI is going to soon operate the point where it's
where it's going to And did I understand this is
going to make the decision for you or it's just
going to operate on your behalf and people aren't going
to care? What is that tipping point? Can you kind

(28:26):
of flesh that out?

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yeah, So before I say anything, just because that is
a heavy topic, I would definitely recommend for anybody who
has not read the training Manual Silent Weapons for Quiet
Wars to read that because it's so in detail, it's
so disturbing. So like, apologies in advance for I just
suggested very disturbing reading to you, But but it breaks

(28:51):
down it's like the most sociopathic how to socially engineered,
but with AI that is the silent weapon, right, and
so in order for this whole system to operate, Okay,
let's just take AI right now, machine learning. Right. So
the goal of all these transhumanists when they talk about
the singularity, right, that's what that means is, you know,

(29:16):
since the since World War Two, really they have been
talking and wanting to reverse engineer the human brain using
these systems. And they want to merge AI with human
consciousness for them and their little psychopath buddies, they want
to become immortal. I've even heard one of these guys.

(29:38):
I wrote his name down because I always forget it,
Ray Kurtzweil. He's just dude. This guy gives and he's
been in the AI space like as long as anybody
that we know of, right, Like, this dude is scary,
very scary because he was talking about this stuff decades
ago and he still is. But he wants to even

(30:00):
bring back dead people using the technology. But what I say,
the removal of human consent is once you have a
fully automated society. Right, So we're so I'm just going
to paint a picture. It's pretty disturbing. But open air prison,
smart cities UBI, no one's working Soma type stuff, right,

(30:23):
Like everybody's plugged into the machine VR. You know, nobody
has to leave their little fifteen minute cities. If they do,
you know, bad things happen, they can't get their food whatever.
And this is all. This isn't even conspiracy. This is
all like you know, World Economic Forum one oh one,
So that they talk in the documents about automating a

(30:46):
human society is no different than automating a shoe factory.
So once things are so in trance, it's kind of
twofold because you really don't need human consent as a
form of currency or energy. What would the word be
in that term, perhaps capital, because it does operate off

(31:07):
of our life force. Right, So all of these machines
that are learning right now, they're only learning because we're
constantly feeding them our data. Like we are literally training
our replacements on a literal, on an existential level, every
time we're engaging with really any kind of smart technology,

(31:28):
any kind of app, anything that's getting our data and
constantly reading and studying us. We we feed this myself included,
every single day. And so that's that's how it's learning.
It's learning from us. And I'm hoping I'm making sense
because there's your couple different ways, and then then there

(31:49):
as far as their plan of fusing there, then we
would get more into like prophecy type stuff around this
AI stuff and how you know, supposedly this is how
that the Antichrist incarnates when you get into like the
aramonic stuff, the Zoroastrian prophecies, Steiner all that stuff. But
so so that's that's certainly possible. And and to be honest,

(32:11):
I've seen some pretty disturbing stuff where I do think
that that's happening. But that aside, when when they talk
about wanting to merge man with machine as far as us,
you know, not part of their breakaway civilization club, if
any of us were even left around, it would just

(32:32):
be for the the purpose of being a human battery
essentially to like fuel the energy that their systems.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Take material for that.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Yeah, I mean it would be to literally just be
a somatic slave that that would that would be it.
I mean, that's it. So I am very against artificial intelligence,
like I think it's it's literally like handing a grenade
to a toddler, because this obsession with knowledge and intelligence,

(33:06):
with the total disregard of character, development principles, spiritual cultivation, discernment.
Does this person even know the difference between right and wrong?
I mean, how is it any different than handing a
grenade to a toddler and then being surprised when it
pulls the pin like that's nuts, it's nuts. And so

(33:28):
hopefully that answered that. Sorry, it's a very question.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
That's great because I think the I think people have
there's different views that that people have of AI. I
don't think they understand that because Apple's just announcing they've
put the finishing touches on and I'm so terrible in names.
I was listening to this last night. But basically, it's

(33:54):
the snapshotting process that's going to take place on your phone. Yeah,
and so what that means is is that okay, VPN
and encryption in a longer matter, because this thing is
just it's gonna detect changes. This is the same thing
with Microsoft Copilot and no one's asked for this, but

(34:15):
this is being baked in and so these snapshots are
your screen shots. But it's also you're saying sampling data. Well,
this is essentially and I want to be careful here
because it's not taking your thoughts, but it's on the computer.
It's an abstraction. I'm kind of I'm kind of a
stickler about that. These are abstractions. It's not me and
the computer, but it's a representation on the computer. Yeah,

(34:38):
they can grab they can build their profile off of,
and now they can start aiming things at me. And
so let's let's just take this from a benign more
benign that. Okay, they study me and they're gonna send
me ads. Okay, so ads are beamed in me all
day long, and let's take it at a very benign level. Okay,
So that's bad enough as it is, because they're invading

(34:59):
my privacy because I'm typing a letter and I'm really upset,
and the snapshot goes and now, okay, uh Z is
upset because uh, you know, his football team or some
some stupid shit like that. Right, that's still it's still invasive.
So this idea that you know, prior to, prior to this,

(35:20):
prior to this observing you, because you know, they call
it co pilot and it's it's it's learning. Google's talked
about this. So it's gonna so it's on it, it's gonna,
it's gonna be in Windows uh, it's Apple and an Android, right,
so now you gotta go Linux. You gotta use Linux
now because it's not in there, right. So this stuff
is to learn to provide you things to you know, hey,

(35:43):
you know typically this time of the week, Z starts
thinking about pizza. Well, let's say, let's show him some pizza.
But it goes beyond that because now it's it's predictive
and also it's a summary, so they can say in
their statements to you that you know, in your in
your user or whatever you call those things that when
you sign when you first install this crap, they're not

(36:04):
taking your data, so they can say without lying, no,
we're not taking your data. But they're taking again this abstraction,
this summary of you all the time, and it doesn't
take much data to do. And it's gonna be you think,
all right, I got my VPN on now and I
got my encryption on now. No, because a snapshot takes
placed inside that encryption, so it's it's there, it's for you.

(36:28):
So this is this is now take this and couple
this with you know, Britain saying, hey, you know, British citizens,
Apple rereserve the right to go in and get the
data anytime you want and guess what, there's nothing you
do about And Apple said, oh okay. So essentially you've

(36:51):
got a government who has access to all these accounts,
all of Apple, all of it. I don't trust that
they're going to say, hey, you know it's just the Brits,
all right, So so you know Parliament, you only have
there's only a British citizens. Because we know how this
has gone before that that that nations rely on other
nations to gather their intel for them spread this around.

(37:13):
I think that's that's terrible that now we're escalating it. Now,
let's take it up to this level where you know
you're listening on conversations. You are if you have the
phone and you take a snapshot of the phone. And
if I'm still I'm not into the fit I love exercise,
I'm not into the fitbit stuff because I I can't.

(37:35):
I can't wear a watch. I just can't. I can't
have things in my head and shit, it just drives
me crazy. So but this will be taking as much
as your information from there and then using it, and
it's building an additional profile with which leading to manipulation.
Now we've you've talked about this in your writing and

(37:55):
and UH and an algorithm ghetto, and you know we've
talked about this and several conscience and that there's they're
doing these profiles to know when you should see something
emotionally that it enrages you enough that now you got
to do that crazy response that gets that dopamine hit
that keeps you there. You get the little bit of

(38:15):
a drunk and you're gonna see something a little funny
and then you're going to go off, and it keeps
you in that just on this treadmill, right, that keeps
you you're there. So your agency at that point, like
you're saying, is gone. I mean, and you don't realize it,
you know, it's it's it's I think it's disturbing, particularly

(38:40):
with particularly with Apple, because Apple, I mean think about
fifteen years ago, twenty years ago, Apple be different, right,
and with Apple you're creative and all that stuff is
like with great irony, I say, it's that's all gone.
That was the trap to kind of get you there.
And no, you're not, you know, I mean, you're you're

(39:03):
allowed to say as much as they will allow you
to say, or you only be seen as much as
they allow you to be seen. And you're saying it
because you think you're saying it, but as you said,
you know that the centric is just so bad.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
Yeah, well, I think a lot of people forget, like
who even founded the Internet or computers or any of
these things in general. And these are all military projects,
like we know this agent, this department or this agency
as DARPA today. Back then it was ARPA, same thing though,
And so the invention of the Internet and the computer

(39:40):
were military projects and with the explicit point of not
just social engineering, to be able to control or predict
they wanted. And this is in the documents and I
linked to them in that sub stack article that I
wrote about this. The actual intent from the jump, and

(40:00):
this is like around World War two was to invent
a machine that could predict the point of human capitulation.
So they not only are engineering us, but they're also
being able to predict of when are we when are
we really ripe just to be full blown cattle. Which ironically,

(40:22):
those are the lyrics that keep getting censored left and
right when I post clips on social media. It's the
one part in that whole song that gets taken down
instantly is when I say, have you heard the real
plan for AI? Turning people to cattle has always been
the goal that will get taken down right away. And
then there's another lyric in the original version where I

(40:45):
mentioned I say, did you read silent weapons for quiet wars?
And that got taken down too. But all the other stuff,
even like the world economic footage I had in the video,
didn't get taken down, got suppressed, didn't get removed. Even
me talking about the JAB like if I would have
put that out two years ago, it would have been down.

(41:06):
Didn't They didn't even take that down. So the sacred
cow is has moved a bit and it is this
AI stuff and it's in you said something or a
little bit ago that I thought was interesting about the
extraction of thoughts, like the thought data. So they they
had these weapons in like the early two thousands, and
they were testing them probably in let's see Iraq, Iran,

(41:31):
Afghanistan over overseas. But they had a they had a
weapon called it was called the Voice of God and
it was where yeah, they literally by using a frequency device,
they would plant a voice inside the enemy's head and
be able to make them to retreat. So they had
they've had this technology publicly acknowledging it for at least

(41:52):
twenty years, which means they've probably had it way longer
than that. But even just something on a simple level,
have you ever we all know obviously, like let's say
you and I are on the phone and I say, oh,
I really want Mexican food, and then I go on
social media. I'll probably see an ad for like a
Mexican joint. You know, But have you ever thought something

(42:14):
but did not say it out loud and then immediately
you see it on your phone?

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Okay, So so because the thoughts submit frequencies and even
Wi Fi is able to actually decode. I don't know
how efficient, but that's pretty efficient if we can have
a thought and it's like here it is just right away.
So Wi Fi itself can do that. God, I mean,

(42:43):
God knows what this what the five gen network is
able to do, because that network is not for us
or our connectivity. That's actually to operate the system of systems, right,
and a lot of these robotic automated weapons systems. But
I won't go off on like any rabbit holes there,
but yeah, it gets it gets intense, and Elon Musk

(43:04):
publicly has discussed that. He was like, well, we can
we I'm paraphrasing his quotes, right, but he's talked about,
you know, well, if we can extract thought data, shouldn't
we be wouldn't it just be the sensible thing to
also implant thought data as well? Like, he has been
publicly advocating for this shit for a while, and so

(43:26):
so the craze with Elon and the and the amount
of support for him. I'm just he's not the only one.
There are people that have been about this psychotic shit
way longer than Elon's been alive. But he's not a
friend of any of us. He's not a friend of
humanity at all.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
He is I I got many different problems. I'm gonna say.
I'm happy that we're finding out about all the waste.
The danger is that this solution as well, geeze, we
can get rid of all these people as civil servants,
and we'll put AI in place and we'll just run
That's yeah, the other shoe.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
That's of course what he was gonna do. The second
I saw that and heard that, before this, the I
was like, oh, we're fucked, and like not to be
because we're not fucked right, like we can totally get
into all the ways how we're actually there's all of
the reasons to still have a hope, because I really
do mean that. But when I first saw this, because
when when Trump won, you know, air quote one the

(44:27):
election or whatever, I was kind of like what I
thought they were gonna install Kamala, which I did not
want to see. And it's two wings, same bird, right
like it. But I I thought if Trump would have won,
I thought that we had more time to not go
off of a cliff. I thought, just because of the
hell that we had been living in with the COVID

(44:50):
tyranny and the jabs that have killed people that I
love in the last couple of years. I was so
fucking wrong, Like we went so we we just pedaled
to the medal with this, with this transhuman is shit,
and I was like, oh no, we don't have any
more time left, and so I'm like, all right, it's
go time then straight up, But as soon as anytime
you hear the word efficiency, like corporate wise, you know

(45:13):
what that means. It means get rid of the highest
cost of doing business, which is labor, and just be
able to run shit as cheap as possible. That's just
what that means. And of course the fucking brain chip
guy is gonna have an AI want to push for
an AI government. And the scary thing is that I've
h if these people are real, right, because there's so

(45:33):
many fake accounts on the internet now, but if these
are real people and not propaganda bots, I have seen
accounts that pose as humans advocating for that, Like they're
so jaded from you know, liars that call themselves politicians
that they're like, yeah, we should have AI running the
government because humans can't be trusted. It's like what, yeah,

(45:58):
so it's not going to take much convince thing. And
then there's another problem with that too, where it's like
all these people that honestly a lot of them are
probably very guilty of crimes, it's like you're just like, oh,
they're all fired. What about what did they do? Like
these all these spies, intelligence officials that are doing all
this you know, corrupt bullshit. It's like, no, don't just

(46:20):
sever them and send them on their way, Like it's
another way of pardoning a lot of the dark shit too,
that I think people aren't noticing just because they're so
jaded from what we had been dealing with that anything
whiplash in the opposite direction feels like it's the right
direction and they don't see how it's it's playing into

(46:42):
the same shit.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah, I mean, I've got it. Well, we have to
punish people. So and like I said earlier when we're
talking before we started, this is like a hockey game, right,
and it's I feel like the puck gets not loose
and it gets past to me. And so sometimes i'm
because the when Larry Ellison came out and that ship,

(47:05):
and my instincts going, oh, no, what the hell, what
the living fuck right with the stupid stargate thing? Oh,
you know, so but but then you know, but then
I got to thinking. It's like it's like, you know,
we have one chance, and this is the chance. So
it so I struggle with this. So that that's why
I talk to people about this all the time, because

(47:27):
you know, I don't trust Elon, right, But at the
same time, Elon just shot me the puck. I got
a chance to score the goal. So do I not
take that chance to score the goal because Elon? Because
I think Elon's an asshole. I mean, it's it's it's
it's it's very it's difficult situation because it is the
situation because things are so fluid, and yet because they're

(47:48):
so fluid, I'm worried that all right now, this is
this is the distraction because next comes in that a,
oh well, it's AI and we can run it cheaper,
and you know, that's okay, and we have to run
it because it is sentient and it's somewhat smarter than us,
and you know, I'm a cynic, right, It's a lot
of times I think this stuff is because I've worked
with a lot of the tech bros. Because I wrote

(48:10):
software for thirty years, and a lot of stuff's just bullshit.
It doesn't fucking work, So they're not as smart as
they think they are. They're just regards. It's you know,
and people get people want to ascribe all this value
to it. But at the same time, it is so
scary because the predictive capability that's coming and my fence
talked about this a ton of times. The predictive capability

(48:32):
that comes from this can push us to that point
where our voices aren't heard. Right, there's the soma out there,
Like you said, It's like I get on and I
scroll and I see the pictures, and I get my
rage and my soul and my drug. It puts us
to the point where we won't resist. That's the thing,
you know. And it's it's so because you've got talking

(48:53):
about the voice of God, right, And it's like because
I the the the ability to plant those thoughts also
demonstrated to them the pliability, right. And I guess my
question is this, does the time spent on social media
for years? Does that make you more? Is it a

(49:15):
cheaper way to influence people and to keep the control
than using something where I have to I have to
use energy at a distance and then and then aim
at someone and keep them under a concentrated time, hoping
that that triggers. I guess what I'm trying to say
is is that sometimes this stuff online is it's it's

(49:38):
so silent, right, and we're so used to it. We
don't know how far we have gone, right, And you know,
it's it's the economics. I'm Klaus Schwab. I want to
control a ton of people. What do I do?

Speaker 4 (49:52):
It?

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Do I have? Is it easier for me to have
them just on this every day? They're so acclimated, they
don't know, just like all this Huxley said, you know,
and it's creepy British voice. You know, they love their service, dude.
You know it's like, oh Jesus, that's you know. But
that's that's what this, that's what the social media really,
that's that mental conditioning that it does, you know, even

(50:14):
for the even for the freedom people. I don't know.
I just I'm thinking out loud, so I don't know
if I'm making any sense, but I just it's they've
studied this, because you talk about this book in the
nineteen forties. I mean, there have been people for a
long long time who want to be God, and they's
just different mechanisms. I mean, you know, as I said earlier,

(50:37):
there's a there's a country in World War Two that
we all know about, you know, that's very very famous.
They tried their way, you know, and this is a
different way, and with this technology they have a higher
degree of control and they know more about us that
it's you don't need the barber wires. You just need
people to go, oh yeah, fifteen minutes, it'd be cool,

(50:59):
you know, cool. Yeah, I mean I gotta My son
is twenty, and there's like a divide that there's some
of these kids that really crave this stuff, and then
there's the kids that like, you know, I can't, I
can't stand this crap, you know, I can't. I can't.

(51:21):
My son he hates he hates AI video, he's all
that stuff, right, and you know it, there is there's
a group that is so pliable it's grown into them,
and then there's sort of like these outliers, you know,
and I don't know what that split is. Hopefully the
hive mind lets the outliers or hopefully they can Hopefully

(51:46):
you can exist in parallel long enough. My big fear
is that, you know, if someone is seen as flourishing, right,
someone the UK's in the room. They're healthy, you know,
my god, look at it. Look at their they glow right,
their eyes their eyes aren't all red. You know, they're
not all you know, and they aren't all they're all

(52:06):
they are not all for clemped, right, they are all agitated.
You know that person, You're drawn to their presence, you follow, right,
That in a sense is a way out of sort
of the hive mind. When you just go see someone
who's just robust and healthy, it's like, well, gez, what
do you do all day long?

Speaker 4 (52:24):
You know?

Speaker 2 (52:24):
I you know, I don't. I quit doing you know,
I quit doing the stuff online. And you know, I'm
living up north now and so I've got the farm
or you know what I'm doing. I'm working, I'm mentoring
teens or stuff like that, and you just it reminds

(52:45):
people of sort of a way out of this type
of thing too. Hopefully I'm making sense.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
Yeah, you know you do. I mean, you touched on
a couple of things, so I'm trying to think of.
I mean, you touched on the splitting of consciousness, which
if if you follow you know, the esoteric like anthroposophy.
Let's just use that as an example, right, But a
lot of esoteric teachings that have prophecies about the times
that we're in, they will talk about that being a

(53:12):
natural part of the human evolution where there is a
split and we so, okay, I won't go too far into.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Like can stop you second, well, yes, that phrase again,
you said anthrop an anthroposophy.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
So anthroposophy is what Rudolf Steiner developed that and there
are still schools and anthropo anthropos Excuse me, it's hard
to say. Sometimes anthroposophy is just like you know, how
there's a theosophical society like that, you'd be dealing with
Madame Blavatski, you know, other people, so that is more

(53:46):
rooted in. Other people might have their opinions, right, But
we could say as far as the Theosophical society, that
would come more so from esoteric Eastern traditions, right, so
perhaps more like esoteric Buddhism in some ways, and anthroposophy
would be coming more from a place of like esoteric

(54:06):
Western tradition, so esoteric Christianity perhaps, But you still have
the cosmology, you know, It's not like the surface level
teachings that are kind of shoved on people's throat. It's
a lot more. I really don't feel like it's that
hard to follow, but definitely I'll send you all this

(54:27):
stuff afterwards. But like anthroposophy Rudolf Steiner's work, Gigi Young
is somebody who does a lot of lectures now on
Steiner's work, and her delivery is so succinct, the way
that she teaches these topics that I honestly feel like
anybody could follow along. So Gigi Young is another Also,
I'll send you all this stuff for sure, but if

(54:50):
we go through that lens where they talk about the
evolution of the human soul and that all of this
is essentially happening because for that purpose, right, that's why
we're all here. This is where the consent piece like
will come in. Is there are people that will choose
to essentially not not want to be human. There's people

(55:11):
that are gonna want to take the chips, there's people
that took the jab, there's people that are gonna want
to just go to sleep in their little pod and
the smart city whatever. But there is going to be
and we're already seeing it. That's the thing. So it's
not I shouldn't even talk about this like its future
because it's now where there is a splitting of consciousness
where we do see and I see this too, like

(55:32):
a genuine return back to real life connections, community events,
like genuinely open hearted people from the community coming together.
I see this shit all the time where I live.
I love it. I truly truly love it. And that
to me is where the revolution is is. It is
not online, it is in real life with the people.

(55:55):
It's definitely involves art forms of any kind because any
kind of condition walls that people have you bypass all
that shit when you bring that into the environment, Like
I've seen people from all different backgrounds and beliefs be
able to completely harmonize with each other in these settings.
But we are going to be seeing probably more of that,

(56:18):
because we already are. But that was part of you know,
It's like it's essentially like almost like evolving into perhaps
many hundreds or thousands of years down the line, two
different beings, two different species perhaps when it comes to
the evolutionary aspect of it. So it's very we're alive

(56:38):
in very interesting times. I'll say that much. And then
the other part I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Can I ask you real quick questions? Yeah, is it
sounds like this? It sounds like this is like the
breakaway civilization concept in a sense.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
So my familiarity with talking about the breakaway civilization would
be like the people that we refer to as the
elite that are like trying to build like an off
planet civilization or whatever, which I'm not because because I've
heard that terminology used for that group right where they

(57:16):
want to immortalize themselves through machines, So I don't mean
it in that context at all, Like it's just like
one one humanity is essentially at a point where some
some and this is not to say anybody's better or
worse than anybody, because people are choosing. So some people,

(57:37):
whoever they are, will evolve into we could say, in
the framework of anthroposophy, more christ consciousness in their hearts, right,
so they choose the path of evolution through love to
where other people might choose to kind of devolve into
these more harmonic traits, which are soulless, very material driven,

(58:02):
very mechanical, just just very non human, if that makes sense.
So some people might choose to become more animalistic and
you know, parasitic harming others to where the others are
going to, you know, evolve to where it's not going
to be like you know, the average person's opinion of
humanity is, you know, it's not great. So so we

(58:27):
would be seeing an upgrade of the character of humanity
in essence, it would be a spiritual evolution in that case.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Okay, yeah, it's interesting. It's the the time away in
community building. I think I told you we homeschooled our
kids until ninth grade, and one of the families used
two times a year, and we all and after our kids,
you know, ended up going going on to going on

(58:55):
to school. We still did this with this family. So
we had this community here that we that we engage
with and help grow, help grow. They had they would
have talent shows twice a year and it'd be down
in this basement and so be maybe I don't know,
twelve fifteen family. The house is patrick On and it
was great. So we all performed and never forget the

(59:16):
first time we did this, all I could think was,
is it reminded me of and this is this is
so weird. I get, I get these weird. It's it's
a dark thought. I thought, Wow, you know, we're kind
of down here, almost as though we are imprisoned. It's
almost as though we're not allowed to go anywhere. And
we still continued to do this during COVID, and it

(59:38):
was just one of those things that's like, you know,
to keep our to keep ourselves together and from losing
our shit, you know, we had to do these things
where we reached out and we engaged, you know, we
took that risk, you know, and that helped us grow,
whereas the other people who detached, you know, and you

(01:00:00):
used to know the term about you said, harmonic.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
Is that the are that that's actually a correct pronunciation.
The the entity's name is arimand so I always say,
are arimonic but armonic. I hear people say that too,
so you're You're fine either way. So it's but yeah,
it's that like that that the sclerotic.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Huh. It's like losing your consciousness to a certain degree
where you just.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Really yes, yeah, the the rmonic how how Steiner's terms,
he'll say the harmonic impulse or or just armand that
entity itself, it's it is obsessed with singularity, ironically, and
it's obsessed with like a level of intellect that is
genuinely not meant for humans at this current stage of evolution.

(01:00:49):
And the impulse of this entity has been like you know,
basically paraphrasing for a demon, but like fuck it, bring
it anyway, because I want to control and turn this
whole energy planet, plane planet into my creation, my machine.
So like trying to essentially put the Earth in a
in a prison and all of its inhabitants, and it's, dude,

(01:01:12):
it's it's such a rabbit hole, it really really is.
I will one percent send you police resources where you can,
because I'm I'm paraphrasing. I'm a student of this stuff too,
so I am in no way, you know, like a
substitute for Rudolph Steiner's work or even somebody like Gigi
Young who who has been I believe, teaching uh and

(01:01:37):
lecturing on his work for quite a while.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Yeah, it's I think that's it's It sounds a lot
well from from the Romanic stuff that you described as
I was gonna say, that sounds just like Kurs. Well,
that sounds that's that whole you know at the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
How he wants to merge and this the singularity and
he's gonna he wants to bring his men tore back
from the dead. Like he just says that like it's nothing,
and people are like, ha ha, it's like it do
you know what you're saying? Like do you have any
idea what the fuck you're saying? So to me, all
this AI shit is so much easier to understand when

(01:02:16):
we look at the spiritual implications elements and also prophecies
and even prior civilizations and why they fell. Like it's
it's wild.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Because you know, here's the thing, this just occurred to me, right,
So one of the sad offshoots of the Enlightenment was
this this view called materialism, that is, if it only exists,
if you can observe it and therefore measure it right.
So that was like a sad offshoot from David Hume,
and it's led to this view of, you know, the

(01:02:50):
scientific view and eventually scientific management that hey, it's matter, right,
only matter is what is of consequence, which really cuts
out the transcendental. And so they get very very so
the scientific mind and everyone that they get, they get
involved with the material The manipulation of the materials all

(01:03:13):
arises from that, and therefore, to them, consciousness is just
a certain arrangement if we could just arrange things the
right way. And now, because we manipulate molecules, you can
arrange the molecules the right way, and all of a sudden, boom,
we're gonna get this. We're gonna get this off. Sheh.
It's gonna be this big explosion from nothing's gonna come
this whole thing. It'll be our version of the Big Bang.
And you know, off you go, and it cuts out

(01:03:35):
a lot of Like you said that the Christ, like
the Christ like teaching you know, of of your your consciousness.
The consciousness is transcendental. It cannot be measured. It's not
measured in the brain, because it's measured in the soul
and these these If you didn't have the soul, we
wouldn't have the mathematics and the science and these things.

(01:03:56):
It's it's it's to me, it's clear that you can't
have the sentience. Now I could be wrong, right, they're
gonna try because you got these wackos who want to
do this, who who want to construct these things, and
who are gonna lure people into this and the like we,

(01:04:17):
like you said, the way out of that is to
it's it's it's it's engagement in the real life and
it's and it is it's the engagement of the spirit
and the body together a better union than just this
lack of spiritual that this it's a demonic obsession. That's

(01:04:37):
my This is my long way of saying, Look, there's
a demonic obsession here. I think you better understand. I
think people can better understand this transhumanism and this AI
in those religious terms because they themselves are using this
quasi religious term to express this stuff. Right, this entity
merging me, this singularity, bringing back the original one. This

(01:05:00):
is gonna sound like a crazy, dumb question. Just just
bear with me. Have you seen The Prince of Darkness
by John Carpenter?

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
Actually I have not, No.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Go see that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
It's gone down late eighties and Darkness by John Carpenter.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
And it's it's campy, right, But the thing is about
opening a portal and bringing something back through.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
Oh hell no, okay in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
The context, because the thing is this is that they
start getting dreams from the future. They're warning in the
future what's happened. It's just and so they're it's analogous
to a lot of what we're talking through with the
you know, the gnosissism being the narcissism being the root
of sort of this transhumanism and this this transfer. It's
like an inversion and then a transformation, right, and and

(01:05:50):
to understand their tactics and why they come out with
these statements as opposed, well, they're just the weirdo tech bros.
I don't think you can leave them alone. I think
we have to understand that the consequence of a lot
of this stuff is if we just leave them alone,
or we worse, we have our kids be baby. You know,
the babysitter, be the phone, or not realize what the

(01:06:12):
phone and these devices are doing to us.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
Oh you know, no, yeah, it's well I think you
you wrote about that as well, and as far as
like what is this like people now it's it's it's horrifying.
I don't know if I'm jumping around too much, but
but yeah, you wrote about like, you know, the the

(01:06:36):
people getting suggested to use AI as a companion, and
I have heard that there. I guess that within the
last year there was some app that got released where
I guess it's like an AI boyfriend or girlfriend. I
don't know how it works, but the amount of millions
of downloads that I heard it got in the first

(01:06:58):
twenty four hours, honestly, that's devastating. Fighting that is devastating
that we have this much of a connection crisis and
people are more alone than ever and what's the correlation
and also causation? And I really do believe the chronic onlineness,

(01:07:18):
the exposure to this these EMFs really does damage people's
ability to connect and to think and their cells to function.
The blue light like, it's all of it. And we
did say this off camera, but when I do the
fact that we even have to do a digital detox
should be It's like, we shouldn't even be fucking with

(01:07:38):
this shit, right, But I understand that the world is
the way that it is, and sometimes you've got to
go into the machine to spread the message of hey,
we're all meeting here. Like that just happened recently. We
had an event out here in Florida and there was
a ton of people that came that I had never
seen before. And when we asked some of the people,
you know, like a little bit about them before the

(01:07:59):
event got started, it and how they heard they all
heard about it. They were like, oh I saw it
online or oh I saw it on Instagram and something
just told me to go, Like they saw the flyer
on the internet. And that's how I found a lot
of freedom gatherings and freedom festivals too. So but so
that's that's how it should be used as a tool
of like, hey, everybody, this is what we're about, and

(01:08:21):
we're gonna be here at this time, come come over
and so so we'll do that and that's all well
and good, but but but when people stop there, I mean,
it's creating a legitimate, legitimate crisis. Oh I was talking
about the detox. So so whenever I pull away from
like when I am getting more time outside, more time

(01:08:43):
in the sun, which gives like these lights take the
sun will give being being with people person to person.
I could not give a fuck what is going on
in the news, what who's saying what on the internet.
I don't even want to look. I don't want to
even check anything. I'm not thinking about my phone. My
outlook on life is way better, my mood is way better.

(01:09:05):
I don't have like the chronic aches and pains that
I typically do. I don't have issues with sleep, I
don't have issues with memory or cognition. It's like just
magically all of these modern day ailments are gone. So
I think that if there's anybody out there who's never
done a digital news social media detox highly suggest and

(01:09:30):
highly suggest increasing your time outside and with humans. And
I know that can be hard when you've been stuck
in an isolative cycle, like you do have to push
past those fear barriers of like kind of rejoining face
to face interaction because people are so deprived of it.
So that's normal. But if I can do it, anybody

(01:09:50):
can do it. So so yeah, because it's hard for everybody,
you know, because we all did kind of slip into
that sliding scale. But like we all did, so we
had we had to to force ourselves to you know,
rejoin real life basically because this is you know, it's
it's good as a tool, but it is it's suicidal

(01:10:10):
as a substitute, honestly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
So well and uh, Kelly Troll, she's uh mental health
counselor and she she worked on severed conscience with me.
And uh because when when we we were and this
was even two years ago, there was and this course
is World Economic Forum. The companies called WISSA. They've had
over five hundred million conversations, right, and so now they

(01:10:36):
have AI as the companion for mental health.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
Oh Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
And but but you know, because you talked about the
release of the girlfriend, there are and this is sad.
There's there's there's there's a couple. Not there's a lot,
I should say, there's people who are writing these substacks
and these these dudes are brilliant guys. But to hear
them say, you know, I turned to AI for just
that comfort, I'm like, God, that is I can't I

(01:11:06):
almost can't relate to that sense of desperation that you
are and I don't. I'm not I'm not passing judgment,
but I can't understand that things are sart desperate that
you have to be comforted constantly at three am in
the morning, and to to to to prescribe, my dog
is here with me, I'm sorry if you're here.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
So, oh no, I didn't, but.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
She's anyway, So so to to to prescribe that, all right,
you're you're jacked because light on the eyeballs, what should
you do? Which causes anxiety? So what she should do, well,
go to the app and look into it and more
light on the eyeballs, just just from that perspective, like,
what are you serious? It's really really it's really really sad,

(01:11:59):
you know. So it's like the physical stuff, you know,
the vitamin D in the eyes, getting out all that
stuff is so so critical, you know. Yeah, and that
comes down to your Hopefully you've got mentors or family
that that do that. If the type of dad or
type of mom who kind of kicks in the door

(01:12:20):
and says, hey, what are you doing? You know, I mean,
it takes to counter this, to counter this, these habits
that become vices, right, that become destructive. Right, you need
you need to have those you need to have you
need to have this these circuit breakers laid down, you know,

(01:12:43):
by loved ones, right who come in and tell you
you're wrong. You got to take a step back, you
got you got to do that. It's I don't know,
I'm painting a broad stroke here because it's we're starting
to talk about family and that type of stuff, but
it's it's the end of this destroys all that because
it takes us away from it, It takes us away
from those beautiful things, right.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Yeah. Well, and I will say too for people if
anybody's listening who doesn't have that type of relationship with
their family, or who doesn't maybe they don't have any
living family. Like I didn't have anybody kicking down my
door telling me, Hey you need to do this. Hey
you need to live better, Hey you need to not isolate.
Like no, So it's totally possible to come to that

(01:13:29):
realization yourself and to have to just literally force yourself. Yeah,
and you know you ultimately we have to like we
have to be the ones to be responsible for ourselves anyway.
So if we're very, very lucky and blessed. Then yes,
we do have those connections in life, and for those
of us who don't for whatever reasons, it's well, it's

(01:13:52):
on us to first and foremost develop that within ourselves
because we could have those connections with people, but if
we don't have it to our that's how you wind
up being the person who needs to be comforted at
three am all the time, you know what I mean,
Because it's like you should be able to do that
for yourself, you know, ideal, Like that's to me, like,
I can't. You can't do life if if you're dependent

(01:14:15):
on other humans for your well being, like we are interdependent,
but there's a line where it becomes co dependent and
then you know, you become people's slave. So that might
have been taking it a bit too far. It was
just because of the three am thing, but I just
wanted to throw out there that if there are people
who don't I feel like they have anybody who would

(01:14:36):
care if they if they didn't see them for a while,
or you know that type of stuff, it's absolutely possible
to essentially parent yourself and get your own self out
of the house. It's going to be uncomfortable as hell.
But you can still do it and the rewards are
beyond anything that you can even conceive of. And that's
how you meet your tribe and you're like minded people

(01:14:59):
is by is by going and doing that. So it's
that thing of like leap and the net will appear,
because it really really does. I think that when someone's
in a situation like that, just like any addiction, just
the misery of continuing on the way that you are
has to outweigh the fear of change and the unknown. Basically.

(01:15:21):
I mean, that's how it is with drugs, with getting
off of drugs and changing that lifestyle too. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Yeah, well I think that's that's important for people to
hear because it's the isolation that sort of draws you
down into that path that we've been talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
Yes, yeah, and that that is a huge epidemic. I mean,
the the overdose and the suicide rates in this country.
They're so over reported. I don't even know, or I'm sorry,
under reported, but I can't even find data really after
twenty twenty. For overdoses, I can, but not suicides. But

(01:15:55):
just from what I've seen in my own life, the
amount of people that I have law to suicide or
overdose just in the last five years. Is uh, it's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Yeah, it's a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
It's a lot, like more than ten, like a lot.
And these are these are people that are close. It's
a lot of people. It's not normal to be losing
young people like that, I mean, or really anybody. And
and so it really is. It's a serious problem. And
I do believe that the lack of connection coupled with

(01:16:34):
all this like craziness. You know. That's why I think
people having any kind of a spiritual practice to ground
them is essential. It doesn't even matter what it is.
It just needs to ground you because the frequencies and
the energies we're taking on all the time right now
are are a lot for us.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
So so I hope you don't mind my asking when
you form, right, is that also a means with which
you feel that you can get your that that that
that you're that you're taking on a different mindset, different
heuristics or whatever, that sort of that sort of helps
kind of do this digital cleanse.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
I'm not quite sure what you mean, Like, when I
perform live, do you feel like, are you asking if
that helps with a digital detox? Yeah, anything away from
the phone helps with you know what I mean. But
but yeah, I mean I performing live is yes, I
would say that that helps root me into the real

(01:17:39):
world because when you are performing live, especially at the
events that I'm doing where there's like more than one performer,
it's like there's a ton of energy there, like people
are connecting before during after. I mean you'll have like
standing room only at an event on a Monday night,
like that's there really are that many people going out
like for for the cause right now. So it's amazing.

(01:18:03):
But yes, that's a huge, huge thing because you're opening
up and being vulnerable and life and all the people
respond back and you get to see like this distortion
through the internet is not an accurate reflection of the
condition of humanity because what I see in real life,
especially in those settings where people are more vulnerable, is tremendous.

(01:18:27):
I mean, it gives you all the reasons to be hopeful.
So yeah, that helps to totally give you a more
realistic perspective, just because when people are in those environments,
they are much more themselves. Right, It's not the same
as just like walking past someone on the street where
you guys don't even make eye contact so yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Yeah, yeah, Well I'm what I'm trying to segue here
because i'd like to play your video and I wanted
to take just a little time to hear about your
thoughts about music. And I'm a Music's always been a
presence in my life in some ways. It influences me
more and I think than something online stuff. So I

(01:19:14):
always think about sort of that what are those those
emotional touch points, right, because I think people are different.
I think some people are not affected by music or
and some people are, you know. And for me, picking
up the guitar and just playing is sometimes I gotta
do that for like forty five minutes. Sometimes I got

(01:19:36):
to put my head on it and play because it's
just that vibration.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Better. You know, I'm not as lucky as you because
I don't perform for people or go out and play
with another group because I'm I'm too shy in that.
From that perspective, I don't mind speaking in public, but
I don't, you know, picking up the guitar and that
it's like that would be that's like a big stretch.
That's like a big, big stretch. But this this idea

(01:20:00):
as a kid, that's all I did, because that's like
I was just it's it's you know, my family on
my mom's side, they're all you know, they they they
they're all very good and bad because there's this sort
of sort of the performer, the performer and the musician.
Sometimes there's there's other things that you have to deal
with emotionally. If you can't you know, if you if

(01:20:22):
you if you don't feed, if you don't feed your
psyche the right way. I'm saying that from the experience
with from from my from my from my family and
my mom's side, but just this idea of that being
that was so enthralling, right, and you know, there's the
ideas like the best workouts, of the workouts where you
totally lose you talk about ego transformation or sometimes losing

(01:20:46):
yourself to like oh shit, you know, I'm going to
go off the side of this mountain here if I
don't pay attention, so that that means everything else kind
of falls away. So it's music sometimes is that way too,
If you can just have that get in and help
perge stuff out, I think that's I think this is
so important. This is my dumb theory.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
Yes, yeah, well these are the things that get us
into the moment, which is the only real that there is.
So so yes, yeah, I I mean, we are all artists,
so I super encourage you and your guitar playing and
anything else you choose to do without a doubt. And
it does chop up the energy too. I noticed that,

(01:21:25):
like after like a stressful day or whatever, if it
just feels like static around your head, you can just
start start playing, even for a little bit, and it'll
it really does. It feels like it physically is breaking
up the energy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
So yes, yeah, yeah, So it's it's so like I said,
it's it's I drove all stop now my dog here. Yeah,
guys heard nuts. So what I want to do. I'm
want to play the official video for Algorithm Ghetto and
we can kind of talk some of these ideas here.
Just let me just you start the I'll share my

(01:22:00):
screen with audio. It's gonna be this one and let's
do this and let's play this.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Do you feel that guy doing this? Algorithm Ghetto censors
So I'm talking in gold, so my thought crimes don't
show say any word you say against the big they
puts you on mute.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
And if it's too true, we'll freeze your bang. Do
you think we'll see the good that one day?

Speaker 5 (01:22:55):
Tell me you and what flavor does your own? Brobug
and dug unkey in it on? Friends? Luggin's friends, what
I'll go?

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
Rithom?

Speaker 5 (01:23:16):
Are you in? And yet?

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
Oh dde?

Speaker 6 (01:23:21):
TV tell you to hate your family and friends?

Speaker 5 (01:23:26):
Did TV make you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
Sell your soda?

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Fight by them?

Speaker 6 (01:23:32):
Keep the peasants fight and keep the peasants fight and
keep them on the vide that they will not survive,
and keep the peasants fight and keep the presents fighting.

Speaker 5 (01:23:42):
They will not survive.

Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
Smart cities being built around us.

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
We're getting dumb up by the day, Sonoradika.

Speaker 6 (01:23:51):
It's ain relations break yourself for slave wage nation?

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
Who didn't be that? It's a part of the design.
Have you heard the real plan for a I? Did
you read silent weapons for choie wards?

Speaker 6 (01:24:05):
Turning people the cattle has always been the goal?

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
What how the rhythm are you?

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
What flavor does your own?

Speaker 5 (01:24:16):
Proper? Again? Come in it'll friends? Lougains friends? What how
don't rhythm are you? And yet?

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
Keep them all distracted?

Speaker 6 (01:24:51):
Keep them all boys and don't let them have critical
thinking of focus. Hit from the ties them with tick
talking out of all kill them, oh with brows, confers
and all potions in a lab tested on the population.
Fuck around with the little gene mutation. Pay the FEDS
and cooperations to sense infumation.

Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
Have you noticed the net around us? The algorithm ghetto.
Don't know where to start. It's got us so entangled
in both micro and macro. But listen, your thoughts are
not always your own in this system. There's a war
for the human spirit. They use interference draining our humanity,

(01:25:36):
and we allow it every time. We trade molecules for
pixels and convenience for surveillance. Nobody these days maintains honest relations.
Why terrified of our source of life? We run from
love trauma based mind control in every analog and digital

(01:25:57):
algorithms are not just external this is also our mental
recognize Stockholm syndrome. If they tell you to hate your neighbor,
they're asking you for your slave labor. Do not comply.
When divided, we are blinded by the real threat. All
that we have is each other. Don't forget, friend.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
That's amazing, that's really really amazing. Like I said at
the start, you encapsulate, you know, just all these books
we've talked about that's encapsulated in that in that four
and a half minute video. I just congratulations, that's just
I'm that's just amazing. It really is.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
Thank you so much for that. It's it's kind of
surreal to watch it back. And I do want to
shout out and credit my co producer who just did
such a feel like I was vibing so much to
some of his like guitar lines that he wrote for that,
they're so good. So, Chris Cordero is my co producer

(01:27:01):
and mix engineer, and he was on the instruments that
you heard in that song. And his artist name is
Sawtooth Wave and he's uh, he is doing the mix
engineering and the instrumentation for the whole album actually, but
he's amazing person. And just yeah, that was that was

(01:27:23):
It was really really cool to see how that came
to life.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Yeah, now did you guys? Did who mixed the video?
Was that both of you? Or so?

Speaker 4 (01:27:34):
The video? So I had a videographer named uh and
he's in the credits on that music video too. His
name is Chay Not and he's local out here in Florida. Okay,
So when it comes to the footage that I'm in.
He shot, He filmed that, and then because we I
wanted the video to be so b roll heavy so

(01:27:55):
I could literally show you know, footage, and I had
to make it took me forever to find the right
videographer for that project because they had to be like,
you know, awake to that agenda. They were gonna be
like they freak out and he definitely is sing. So
the b roll footage was a trip, and we both

(01:28:16):
had to search a lot of databases and be very
very careful in selecting that. So that that was kind
of like the tricky part to making that video. But
he him and I both put that together. But as
far as like who did the filming and like the
editing and all that kind of stuff, that was him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Yeah, that's amazing. You know the imagery there too. It
just all binds together nicely. And the right elements of
the smart cities in the World Economic Forum, those are
the touches there. Because as I was saying, it's it's
you have to get people emotionally. It's it's like, you know,

(01:28:54):
there's certain moments in life that you know you do
need to be grabbed by the collar, right by pills
and say you got to wake the hell up. And
that really does that. I mean, it's it's that's that's
just fantastic. I think twos we're talking about in real life.
You know, you do have to take a chance to

(01:29:14):
and having conversations with people. There's there's a couple of
times where out of left field and you have to
you have to leave yourself open to these things. Sometimes
out of left field, you'll you'll have this conversation that'll
start you down the path. You have to be willing
to go and adventure forth. I got lucky because my
mom in the seventies had all, you know, the shit,

(01:29:38):
all the conspiracy books which I read as a kid,
and she was like and so she was like into
the UFO and the Bible. And she's very very religious too.
I mean she you know, plays organ at church, but man,
she always questioned stuff. So that sort of laid the groundwork.
And then there's been certain moments that I've been lucky
enough where you know, I've met people and so you've connected.

(01:29:59):
So you got to go out and meet people. I
was at a party and this was what when ninety six,
ninety seven, So how old was I I can't do
that math. So I was, you know, maybe twenty nine, right,
married a couple of years, you know, still a young blood,

(01:30:22):
not thinking much. Life is great at this party and
we were partying, and this is like three in the morning,
and I was talking to this guy and he was
like it was really weird too, because he was like
the life of the party. You wouldn't think that this
person would be into this. And he said to me,
he said, you know, because we got talking and I
can't remember what I said. I think I just read
a David ikebook or something something like that I mentioned
and I mentioned it and he said that, and it

(01:30:44):
was one of those things where he just kind of
looked at me. You know sometimes when people look at
you and you can tell they're studying you, right, and
they don't know if they they they're gonna take it,
they're gonna take a chance. They don't know how you're
going to react. And so they just said, have you
ever read the Creature from Jackal Island? And I'm like what,
And he's like no, he says, dude, you gotta read

(01:31:04):
Creature chuck O Hyland. That'll tell you. And he walked away.
And that was it. It was this one of those things.
I'm like, I'm like, oh, what the fuck is this
one of those one of those what the fuck moments
like okay, this you know, and and I've been drinking too,
and it's three am. I mean, it's just you're not
you're not thinking straight. It's like and it stuck with me.
I ended up reading that, but it's a fantastic book, right,

(01:31:25):
and that sort of got me along the path to
you know, Ron Paul, Alex Jones. It just expanded outwards.
And so there's those So there's the stuff that you
find online, right, that you read, you go in the
rabbit hole. It's a different effect than when someone actually
tells you and introduces you to a book, and there's
just that quiet moment where you're making that we were

(01:31:48):
talking about decision earlier, Right, I don't think you get
that opportunity online as much. I think it's it's there's
there's those greater moments where you can introduce people with
music like this, you know, yeah, this stays. I mean,
these images stay with me, Like in your new release
with the with the with the screen on the eyeball,
I'm like, yeah, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
Like the remix. Yes, Dystopian. Yeah, dude, that one those
I had two videos for it. It was hard to
pick which one, but and I'll I might release the
other one later. But yeah, that one, that one is
a lot more intense. But yeah, the the some of

(01:32:29):
those images that were used were so creepy, but that
was what was the whole point, right is to just
like really paint the picture of endgame dystopia.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:32:41):
Yeah So I think that's I mean, to me, it's
I have seen the usage of music and poetry when
dealing with stuff like this really be able to reach
people that normally it wouldn't if you were just certainly
if not if you were just posting online because people
or just not even thinking when they're online, but maybe

(01:33:03):
not even in conversation unless the context was appropriate, like
if this person was your friend. Because yeah, the first
time I was introduced to Info Wars or Alex Jones
or any of that stuff, right, it was a through
a documentary. I had just turned sixteen, and it was
my boyfriend who showed it to me, my boyfriend back then,

(01:33:25):
and I was in it was like boom, like just
you know, the rest is history, but it landed with me.
I was like, holy shit, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
And so we just like, yeah, I mean, is the
Obama deception?

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
Uh No, this was I believe the first documentary I
watched was about Endgame. It might have been Endgame because
it was mostly focused on nine to eleven. And then
there was like another series that came out that he
did with Paul and Joseph Watson that was more it
like had like different volumes to it where I have

(01:34:03):
more focus on like secret societies and banking systems and
ship like that. So I'm trying to remember it, like
this is back when we still had like physical like
what like DVD movies and DVDs or whatever. Yeah, like
it was I don't even know if YouTube existed, Like,
I mean, it wasn't that long ago, but I didn't.
I don't know if I knew about it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
All his stuff was on YouTube, and you know you're
talking about being censored because Alex was just he was
just wiped right off the face of YouTube. All that
stuff was on there because that's where I watched it. Wow,
it's yeah, so all of that you know, say what
you I mean, Yeah, Alex, Alex went through the Ringer,
you know, and I'm really upset in a lot of

(01:34:43):
ways with you know, with with with how he's presenting
things now and started turning a blind eye. But you know,
damn he needs money somehow, because they really they really
raked him over the colt. They really fucked that guy.
They really raked him over the coals. My dad was
I called my dad all pissed because you know, Alex
was just like rah rah rah rah elon and I'm like,

(01:35:05):
oh man, you know, and my dad it says, you know, look,
he owed he owes so much money. His life is over,
so he's got to have something, so cut him some slack.
I'm like, okay, yeah, I mean because I don't I
don't think I could have gone put up with it
as much as long as he is. I'm not Alex Jones.
I'm here because of Alex Jones. I mean that that's

(01:35:27):
sort of like, you know, that's again it got implanted.
Later on, I became more aware of, you know, what
those brants really were about. You know, so that just
the comcause I used to laugh at Alex he was
because it was so damn funny, you know. Just some
of that stuff was just so funny anyway, Yeah, it's uh,
it's interesting those moments in life meeting people, uh is

(01:35:50):
so important uh in this this But we meet people
online and you try to afford relationships there. But still
it's it's the local communities that's what you have in
the end.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
So like when shit hits the fan, your friends on
the internet aren't going to help you, you know, even
if it's like a I learned that going through tornadoes
and hurricanes, right, Like, it's the people in your locale
that you know, like that are that are your mutual
assistance group when shit hits the fan. It's it's not

(01:36:20):
the people that you talk to in in the in
dms or on apps or anything like that, you know
what I mean. So so yeah, the sooner people start,
you know, minimizing the screen time and get just getting
back out whatever the hell you're interested in, just go
start going to those events and see what happens, you know,
like shake up your own algorithm. Yea for as an analogy,

(01:36:45):
you know what I mean, Like start responding differently to life,
and life will respond differently to you. Yeah that works.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
So so you said you have other songs? What what
sort of this? What what are the next releases that
you have planned for your music in this kind concept
of ghost to the machine.

Speaker 4 (01:37:03):
So we did just release the subversion remix, which it's
released almost everywhere. Three of the platforms have it blocked
and won't explain why. So that's that's fun. But whatever,
So what's next? I don't want to say too much
until the album's out. But the single that I will
be releasing next is actually taking a different approach. It's

(01:37:26):
called Grieve My Love, so it's grieve comma my Love,
so it's like I'm calling someone my love. And the
song I actually wrote it, and interestingly enough, I wrote
it free stream of consciousness type poetry and just publish
it on substack. And this was actually when I wrote it.

(01:37:48):
It was after my cousin passed away. He died a
year ago. But sorry, my phone is started making weird noise.
So yeah, my cousin passed away a little over a
year ago, and that's when I had written these lyrics
and it really is it's a much. I actually wrote
the music for it, which was really like I just

(01:38:10):
wrote it on the piano, which I loved being able
to also provide that as opposed to like just doing
like the lyrics and the vocals and being like this sound,
this sound, this sound like to actually physically also compose
that spontaneously was really powerful. But that is about acknowledging

(01:38:34):
the fact that we have a massive crisis of people
dying untimely deaths. Most common is a fentanyl overdose. Second
would be suicide. Third, I would is homicide, and also
I would put the jabs in the homicide category as well,

(01:38:54):
and we have a lot of that. Like it's it's
literally it's so many people every single year. So the
out of grief that all of us are carrying because
because we live in this culture that has no reverence
for life, so how could it possibly have reverence for death?
And the time that it asks for us to slow
down and create the space to get quiet when somebody

(01:39:17):
departs from this world and to have that space to grieve.
Because back in the day, when we lose people to
od's in the recovery community, we would instinctively do that
and we would be able to get through these things
and become closer. But you know, now, well things are
very different, Like unfortunately a lot of that community is

(01:39:40):
not even here anymore. So it's another reason why I
write about death and the grieving process and how it
opens us up to actually being able to love even more.
But just the other side of this coin of freedom, right,
So it's not just the external stuff. It's also like
we have to to heal this stuff that we won't

(01:40:02):
even acknowledge within us, or we will just no matter
what we try to create, we're just going to replicate
a mess because it's as within so without So Grieve
my Love is a much more softer kind of angelic sounding.
It's not a downer song at all. It's it's but
that one's gonna go next. I think that would be

(01:40:23):
a good contrast. It's a very healing song. I think
that would be a good contrast from the Subversion remix
that just came out yesterday and then Algorithm Ghetto, which
came out a couple months ago. So so Grieve my
Love will come out, and then before the album comes out,
I think I might release the title track, which is

(01:40:45):
called Ghost in the Machine, and so that one that'll
that one will be a trip like I'll definitely do
a proper music video for that, and then probably drop
the album, so hopefully before hurricane season because I don't
want to wote an album while I'm having to evacuate
await from hurricanes.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
So you know the song that comes out of that, right.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
Yeah, Well when Algorithm Ghetto came out, that's what happened.
Like they literally like Hurricane I was evacuated for Hurricane Milton.
When Ghetto came out, I was like, oh my god,
and we had just gotten hit with Hurricane Helene too,
so it was like I could not have been more
out of sorts. Like nobody was in their right mind here.

(01:41:28):
I mean that was that was nuts to have two
major hurricanes in two weeks. And I'm like, I am
not doing this during hurricane season where you need to
like make sure you survive, so.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
Unleash the muse, not the hur not the hurricane.

Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
Right exactly. Yeah, and they will come, you know what
I mean. So I just I hope that I can
get this album out into the people before June, okay,
because otherwise it's like anybody's fucking guess when those things
are going to start rolling in.

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
So yeah, well I'm I'm eager. I'm eager to hear
this because I I just I just love your stuff.
It's just it really connects in many different ways. I
think there's good messages here too.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
The dark.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
We have to understand the dark side. You can't have
just if you're in a room full of light all
the time. If there's no contrast, then you don't understand
the light.

Speaker 4 (01:42:19):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
Important, you know. And like I said, I'm older, I
gotta I got a kid who's who's moving out soon.
And it's bittersweet, but that's that's the cycle of life
and not honoring life because we're afraid of dying. I
think is something else that we we have a we
have a real problem with. There's just a lot in

(01:42:42):
our society that you know, and particularly you know, particularly
for young men, there's not a pathway that we that
that we that we lead young men on from transitioning
from young blood to devoted fiance to a husband and
then away from sort of man boy child husband to

(01:43:03):
like a dad. You know, there's there's just there's just
not there's society doesn't have that. I mean, there's more
of a path for the mom. You see more. You
just see more advertising too from others, right, and so
as the dads are in the background, and it's uh,
I don't know, we don't. We don't want to examine
that because we want to be caught up the frivolity

(01:43:24):
sort of, the frivolity of stuff sort of is again
it's that someone that takes us away from it. It's
not healthy, it's not healthy. So yeah, I'm eager though,
to to for what comes out of what you come
out with next. And really, really I hope you come
back after that to talk some more.

Speaker 4 (01:43:44):
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, I will, like one hundred percent. And
I hope I'm not evact from a hurricane. Wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
I can't help you.

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
I know, you can't do anything. Yeah, Like I got
people out here, and I got I got extended family
out here too, So like if if it happens, which
it will, like I just I'm gonna go to one
of my uncle's house. Like that's it. Like I'm not
I'm not not trying to like be a hero or
whatever and try to get through anything like that. But myself.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
So you see my photos. I'm a winter guy. I'm
not a Florida guy. I can't you know, I'm gonna
stay up here. I don't have the crazy storm. I'll
go I'll go do the odin and the thor stuff
in the winter and the ice joy.

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
Yeah, forget the hurricanes, the season for all of it,
you know, Like right now, I am loving it even
with the like we're all gonna die type weather, like
have I still I love it here so much. But
there's seasons for everything, you know. Like I grew up
in the Pacific Northwest where it's like x files weather,
you know, exactly, So this is the polar opposite. I'm

(01:44:49):
right by the equator and I'm sure I'll be in
the odin weather some day too. So it's you know,
we keep moving. We just just stay with the flow
of life.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
Yeah, So where can people find the stuff that you write?
And where can people find your music?

Speaker 4 (01:45:06):
So if somebody searches my artist name Testimona, which is
tess Ta m o Na, you can find me on
any streaming platform from Spotify and Apple Music to band camp,
SoundCloud and obviously YouTube. That's also what my name is
on all social media except I am not on X.

(01:45:27):
Substack is where you can find my writing and that
my substack is called Memento Maury Alchemy by Testimona, or
just look at Memento Mori Alchemy and then we'll have
a I think you have a link that has all
the stuff, and I do have a podcast. It is
not as legit at all as this, and it's very infrequent,

(01:45:48):
but I do have an archive of episodes that I've
done on mostly like freedom related topics, and that is
called The Great Remembering Podcast, And so you can look
that up anywhere or just on the link that the
that's always in my bio. On any channel, there will
be a link to that podcast as well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
So okay, great, well we'll put that in the show notes.
We'll be releasing this on Rumble and also on Substack
as part of the Osfest Voices. This has been outstanding
and thank you again. I'm just honored that you'd come
and talk to me about this stuff. This is just
this is just really really great. It's just and again,

(01:46:26):
like I said, I saw this, I'm like, oh my god,
this is a lot of this was you know, particularly
the opening scene when you're in the hoodie and it's
just like that, there's some of those images we're just like,
it's that was. I saw that when we're when we
were doing Cyberconscience. So I'm so glad we're able to
have this conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:46:44):
Oh wow, that's of course we will. And I'm really
glad that like that video connected us too, So thank
you so much for having me chat when you did,
and thank you for having me on your show tonight.
So yes, we will continue in the fight to regather
the consciousness.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
So right, right, right, all right, well, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
We defined in this series that severed conscience is an
individual who is in a certain state of mind where
their conscience has been separated or walled off by their psyche.
Easily manipulated, irrational, they are susceptible to the lure of
novelty and social media. For more information or to join
the discussion, please join us at severed coonscience dot com.

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