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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Logain.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Everybody, it is time once again for another episode of
the Silver Bullets podcast. I'm Michael Citrow and I'm Chipminik Chip.
This is our first show in a couple of weeks.
We would normally have been recording this show just prior
to Ohio State playing Notre Dame, but we had already
done our preview, so it didn't really make a whole
lot of sense to try to sneak one in because

(00:42):
it wouldn't have dropped until after the game, it wouldn't
have been timely. So here we are. This is the
time it made the most sense, and the Ohio State Buckeyes,
Chip are the national champions.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Very exciting, without a doubt, you know it was.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I would say that, you know this, reflecting on it,
the fact that you know, you and I have been
Ohio State fans for so long, and the fact that
we get to celebrate a third national championship and you know,
since since the two thousand and two season. I mean, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Tremendous, outstanding. The Buckeyes were the first team to win
the four team college football Playoff. They are the first
team to win the twelve team college football Playoff. So
we just got to get them to change the number
of teams every year.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Maybe, or I will say this much that I mean,
I've always been a proponent of the fact that the
national championship should be settled on the field, that it
should not be something that's voted upon. So the fact
that Ohio State was able to you know, run the gauntlet,
you know, when it came to you know, the fact
that they had, you know, very formidable adversaries that they

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were able to defeat on the on the playing field
and were able to win it, I think that, you know,
I am so happy that College for Ball finally has
a legitimate playoff system.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, and I think overall there were obviously some people
had problems with the blowouts in the first round, but
I think overall, this this twelve team thing did its job,
and we'll we'll get more data points as we go.
But you, congratulations to you because you correctly predicted Ohio
State to win this game. They won thirty four twenty three.

(02:26):
You picked twenty eight seventeen. You were very closer, six
points off exactly on each team's score. I was pessimistic,
maybe a little apprehensive, and I thought Notre Dame would
win a very tight battle, and that did not happen.
In fact, chip Ohio State was the only team that
could stop Ohio State offensively in this game. Notre Dame

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really didn't stop Ohio State. Ohio State killed itself with
a really kind of scored on every drive until a
holding penalty. There was another one with it where a
Mecca booka fumbled in you know, in scoring position and
plus territory after a big first down game and and
then late game sort of time wasting conservatism allowed Notre

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Dame to make this game a closer game. That was,
but it wasn't a close game.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
No, it wasn't. And I agree with you that I
think Ohio State. I mean they they basically stopped themselves.
I mean it was I wanted. I wanted to give
credit to Notre Dame. I mean they it was looking
I'm just gonna say bleak for Notre Dame. I know
we're going to go through the game, but it was
looking bleak and and Notre Dame could have, you know,
folded up the tent and basically just all right, you know,

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we're done. But no, they fought back, made it made
it a tremendous game. In the second half. But you're right.
I think Ohio State. Uh, they they basically you know,
had a lot of you know, self inflicted issues that
that made this game closer than it needed to be.
But uh, you know, give credit to give credit to
both teams for for giving us a truly memorable National

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championship game.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, I would. I would say that this game was
a little closer to the Oregon game than the Texas
game in the way that it unfolded, where with the
exception that Notre Dame scored first. Other than that it
was I thought it was closer to Oregon than it
was to Texas, although because of time of possession it
the scored didn't run up as quickly as it did

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in that game. So Notre Dame got the ball first,
and they put together a really good, solid drive, the
type of drive that you dream about against Ohio State,
because you're able to keep Ohio State's offense on the
sideline for a long time, and they were able to
convert a lot of short yardage third downs, a couple

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of short yardage fourth downs, and Notre Dame goes down
and scores it and takes up half of the first
quarter to do it, and then it takes a seven
to nothing lead.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, I mean Riley Leonard. I mean the fact that
he was called upon repeatedly, like you said, you know,
like there were a few you know, fourth down conversions
that Notre Dame they needed Riley Leonard's legs, not not
his arm and his legs.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
That was I wouldn't I wouldn't say that I was alarmed.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
I was. It was more you know, like you said,
it was time consuming, and it was the kind of
thing where it's like, Okay, this is where Jim Knowles
and the defense are going to have to figure out,
you know, what Notre Dame is doing. And fortunately for
Io State they did.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, Ohio States. I don't worry too much about the
first drive. The first drive is a lot of that
is emotion, a lot of that is scripted, and you
you haven't really gotten a feel for the game yet.
So sometimes the defense can can behave in the on
the first drive like they don't behave the rest of
the game. I think that was kind of the case
on this certainly.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
And like I said, I think, uh, you know, the
first drive it was more of I mean, there was
a curious spot where.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Verry like it wasn't the only one.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah that it was like what what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (06:04):
You know, and the fact that they they it was
just kind of completely glossed over and ignored. But yeah,
I mean like Notre Dame, you know, the fact that
you know, watching it at home with my wife and son,
you know, I was kind of like, Okay, they have
to just figure out, you know, why this is so
successful the quarterback run. But I at every confidence that

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was going to happen.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I believe that would have set up a their second
and one or a third and one, so likely that
Notre Dame would have picked it up anyway. But it
was curious that it looked a full yard short and
was spotted US first down and no one said anything
and exactly you know, like is the yellow line just
a full yard off? Because he spotted that as where

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the guy fell and it was a good yard short
of where the yellow line was. I know the yellow
line is not official, but when I went back and
watched it again, I like, yeah, that's not where the
first down should be.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, like I said, it was just kind of it
was a strange way to start the game.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
There were a couple of fortuitous spots for Notre Dame
on offense and also for Notre Dame's defense in this game.
But you know it didn't hurt anything in the end,
which is nice.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Exactly so the.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Buckey's chip giving up that long drive, which it ended
in a one yard Rightley Leonard touchdown run famously, he
was throwing up on the sideline after falling on the ball.
He was he was hit hard several times on that drive,
and you knew that it was going to be He's
a tough kid. He was going to tough it out.
No matter what he was asked to do. He was

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going to do it. But you just wondered, can he
do this for four quarters? And it didn't really turn
out to be necessary. That Notre Dame tried to pull
out all of the stops and not put so much
of it on Riightley Leonard from that point on didn't
really work. But Ohio State came out got the ball,

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and the one thing you knew here is that after
your defense gives that up, they need time to look
at the still shots to discuss it. They need time
to settle in and figure out how to make adjustments.
The one thing you can't have is a three and out,
and they quickly got into a third and five situation,
but Ohio State remembered they got this guy named Jeremiah

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Smith and threw him the ball and converted and then
ended up going down the field and scoring a touchdown.
And it was really it didn't once they got that
first first down, it really looked that hard. But they
did take a long time to do it. It was
the seventy five yard play took eleven plays, or seventy

(08:47):
five yard drive took eleven plays and took six minutes
off the clock, So it looked like it was gonna
be one of the longest, I'm sorry, one of the
shortest games ever. But the best thing about this drive
was that Ohio State pulled out a new play that
we had not seen all year long, and Notre Dame
didn't know what was coming exactly, but they knew something

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was wrong because they had Jeremiah Smith isolated on his corner.
He went back in motion toward Will Howard almost like
he was going to take a jet sweep, and then
quickly reversed field and took the pass and basically walked
in to make it seven to seven.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, that was a beautiful play, and from what I understand,
it was something that Alabama, you know, just I mean
not to you know, give credit to Chip Kelly for
you for calling it, but Alabama used a similar type
play against Ohio State when they played in the National
Championship game. So you know, like, hey, you know they
say that imitation is the you know, the highest form

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of flattery that you know, hey, if something looks good.
I'm glad that Ohio State and Chip Kelly they certainly
used it at the right time with with with Jeremiah Smith,
I mean it was it was a great call and
tied it up.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, it was that by this point in the game,
it's already in the second quarter. Each team's only had
the ball one time.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, exactly, and again and again.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
I felt like this the same apprehension that I had
about playing against Tressel Wall was rearing its head in
my mind or you know, at that point, because it's like,
this is what Notre Dame needs. They need this game
to go short, they need this game to be few possessions,
and they need to be able to take time off
the clock and keep Ohio State on the sideline. And

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they weren't actually able to do that because Ohio State's
defense started to show up right away after that, you know,
when Notre Dame also took a false start penalty on
and they I they even chip had the unique unicorn

(10:50):
of an offensive holding penalty on that drive.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, that was I'm happy for Ohio State that they
finally got one.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
The fact that it took since the Marshall game.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Was egregious. I was also happy that in the days
leading up to the National Championship that Ryan Day had
been sending, you know, just so many examples to the
Big Ten office about you know, calls that weren't made
about holding. So I'm glad that Ohio State got one
because it was deserved.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
In the National Championship, there were multiple deserved and one.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Called exactly, but that one is.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
More than none, which is the typical thing that we
saw this year. It really is amazing that only two
holding penalties all season against an opposing offense were enforced,
but that helped to set Notre Dame behind the chains.
Notre Dame could not recover from that, punted the ball
and Ohio State went down the field again, and this
time quin Shawn Judkins ran in from nine yards of
an inspired run from quin Shawn Judkins, who used the

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mighty stiff arm of Justice to shed the first tackler
and a good lunge at the one yard line to
make sure he got in and kept his knee off
the ground to make it fourteen to seven, given Ohio
State its first lead of the National Championship Game.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, Ohio State, that was the thing.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
They responded beautifully, Like you said, It was like, you know,
they they were able to re establish the game at
their pace, at the pace that they would prefer versus
what Notre Dame would want.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
And chip it. It turned out that Notre Dame's offense
in the on the first drive out gained Notre Dame's
offense for the rest of the half.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, it was. It was kind of again, it was
one of these things where watching it, you know, I
just kept saying over and over, it's like, Okay, Notre Dame,
They're not designed to, you know, be throwing the ball.
I mean, I know that they had some success later
in the game, but their offense is designed on, you know,
on running the ball, controlling the clock, and when Ohio

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State took that away from them kind of put them
in a really difficult situation.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Notre Dame went three and out again and got a
good punt and a negative return from Brandon Innis, which
I absolutely detest negative punt returns, but he lost three
yards on it. I have State started on its twenty
and again drove down the field and took twelve plays
to go eighty yards and four to twenty six. And
this time Will Howard throws it to quin Shawn Judkins.

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He starts to scramble, he's under a little bit of pressure,
and then before he gets to the line of scrimmage,
he spots quinn Shawn Judkins breaking open in the end zone,
really heads up play by Will Howard, and now Ohio
State's up twenty one to seven.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Right, And that was exactly the situation that Notre Dame
could not be putting themselves in, especially right before halftime,
to be down two scores.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, it was made it twenty one to seven, just
less than a minute to go. On the fact, less
than thirty seconds to go in the half, and Notre
Dame came out, ran one play and then let the
cl run out and to regroup, knowing that Ohio State
was going to get the football to start the second half,
and at this point it's halftime in the National Championship

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game Chip and I'm hearing people say things like Ohio
State has a huge lead, this is this game is over,
and I'm like, it's a two score game? Right? Am
I crazy?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
No? You weren't crazy. If anything, it certainly felt though
that things were really starting to The momentum was definitely
on Ohio State side.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
At the half. Yes, but momentum is a funny thing
and it doesn't necessarily stick around. And so I would
have felt better with a score to start the second
half to get that double dip. And that's what Ohio
State did. Went down the field to start the third quarter,
and that was helped in a great part by a
seventy yard run by Quinn Shawn Judkins. Unfortunately, he got

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caught from behind, didn't wasn't able to finish that long run,
but he was able to get into the end zone
from one yard out. A couple of plays later in
Ohio State extended that lead to twenty eight seven, and
now you felt like this is a this is a
pretty good lead against a team that's not built to
come back.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
That's where I that's where I thought this this might
be over, Like I genuinely like it had kind of
almost like the Tennessee vibe of okay, like you're not
coming back from this, Like it's just like you're you're
not built for this, You're not able to you know,
withstand you know, like Ohio State. You know, we're I know,
we're going to talk about it, but like Ohio State,

(15:33):
basically you know, we're controlling it through the air, through
the you know, like like you said, you know, it
was unfortunate that Quinchhn Judkins didn't score on that long run,
but he was able to capitalize a few plays later.
You know, it's like Ohio State, they seemed firmly in control.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, and I felt pretty good. And if if you
didn't feel good, then you had to feel good for
plays later when Notre Dame tried the least likely succeed
fake punt of all time, where you know you're down
three touchdowns and it's fourth and two. If there's ever
a time to roll the dice, it's going to be now.
And they did roll the dice and did not make

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it at Ohio State to turn them over on downs
on the fake punt, and unfortunately, this is where the
Ohio State offense started to stop the Ohio State offense
as they had the ball in plus territory and got
the holding penalty on Josh Fryer to create some issues

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and create some behind the behind the sticks kind of situations.
Had to settle for a Jadent fielding field goal from
forty six yards out did make it thirty one to seven.
But that was the first sort of drive where Ohio
State had any problem at all offensively, and it was
Ohio State causing the problem exactly.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
I mean the mere fact that you know, it was
kind of as you said earlier, you know, like it
was Ohio State causing, you know, problems for High State.
It wasn't necessarily Notre Dame. It was Ohio State kind
of getting in their own way.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, and then that continues. So Ohio State. We saw
the buck guys get in their own way a bit
in the Texas game, and they did it in the
third quarter of this game. So it's thirty one to seven.
They had just kind of declined, if you will, another
touchdown and by taking the penalty, and then they quickly
get Notre Dame into a third and nineteen situation and

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Chip Davis Nigmuinosen.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Exists, Yes he does.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
I think he exists to make my life miserable. I
think that's that's his role in this this on this
plane of existence, I think. But yeah, it's third and nineteen.
He's got safety help over the top. So what does
he do. He commits pass interference, gives Notre Dame a
free set of downs. Notre Dame goes down and scores
on a pass from Riley Leonard to Jalen great House

(18:01):
and makes it thirty one fifteen with the two point conversion.
I will give Notre Dame credit. They had some great
two point plays in this game.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Oh yeah, I mean this is kind of where we're
getting into the area where Notre Dame, you know, like
credit to Marcus Freeman and his coaching staff and players
for I mean, I freely admit, like I thought when
it was like thirty one seven this game, you know,
like we're getting into you know, blowout possibilities, and they

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fought back, you know, so you know, no, also because
thanks to David and Agnos and you know, like that's
how they they were in that position. But yeah, like
Notre Dame, the fact that they decided to you know,
try and make this a game as a credit to them.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, you knew they weren't going to stop. You know,
they weren't going to stop trying, and you also knew
that probably the only way to get back into this
is with some help in Ohio States to give them
that help with Josh Fryar's penalty and Davison Ignosen's penalty,
especially the latter because you're you've got Lathan Ransom coming

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over the top. There's no way that pass is getting completed,
and he knocked the ball away, and he would have
knocked the ball away even had Davison Ignosa not existed
on that play. So it was a difficult one to
swallow because it kept the drive alive. And they go
down and score, and with the two point conversionship they
make it a two score game again exactly, so it's

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not over. It's late in the third quarter and Ohio
State does get the ball back, but this time things
don't go quite as smoothly for the Buckeyes as they
drive deep into Notre Dame territory. But and mechag Buka

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fumbles the football at the Notre Dame twenty one yard line.
So you good job to get the ball deep into
Notre Dame territory where you can score more points. But
again you let them off the hook by turning the
ball over.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Yeah, that was I mean, that was just a simple
I mean like, that was a good play by Notre Dame.
You know, the fact that you know, like hustling, you know,
like you know, swatting the ball away from Mecca Guka.
I felt terrible for him, you know, because again he had,
you know, such a tremendous career at Ohio State. It's
it's weird to be thinking about a Mecca at Buka

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in the past tense, yeah, as a Buck guy. But
you know, I felt I felt terrible for him because,
like you said, it just kind of breathe new hope
into Notre Dame to coming back.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
I believe that was also the play that put a
Mecca Buka over a thousand yards for the season. So
that's a very bittersweet way to oh yeah, do that.
And you know it was funny too, because I'm watching
him run down the field, I'm seeing guys come from
behind him like put the ball away, get down, get down,
put the ball away, and he's he didn't. It looked
like it was coming for about fifteen yards.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, very good point.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
So again this is situational awareness. You know, the other
team can't possibly hurt you unless you help them, and
you have to take care of the football. And a
Mecca did not, and hopefully he learned a lesson there
that he will take with him into the NFL. Notre
Dame made the most of it, and again some penalties

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helped them out, and they drive down the field and
score again and get the two point conversion. Again. I'm
sorry this time this one. Actually, this is the one
where they I'm getting ahead of myself. Marcus Freeman decides
to kick a field goal on fourth and goal from
the nine. I think that a lot of people were

(21:48):
very critical of this decision, and I'm not going to
beat people up for being critical of this decision because
it was a curious one. But at the same time,
we've seen Ohio State goal line defense. We've seen Ohio
State in the red zone be extremely good defensively all
season long. This there was nine minutes left and go

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in the game, so nine and a half minutes in fact,
so you need sixteen there's no guarantee you're getting two
touchdowns and to two point conversions. I don't really hate
the decision, but it's definitely questionable.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah, that's that's kind of where I would I would
follow in that category as well. It was just kind
of questionable the fit after postgame, you know, his his
rationale and explanation about you know, being able to come
up with, like you just said, you know, two touchdowns
and two point to two point conversions would be highly unlikely.
It just seemed it just seemed kind of questionable at

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the time.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, so against that defense that, I mean, that's why
you you play great defense all year to make teams
afraid to try things like that. And so they they
hit the upright on the field goal attempt and don't
get any points out of it. But Ohio State does
quickly have to punt the ball back and they are

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able to get down the field again, and this time
they do score get the two point conversion, and I
really like their two point play on this. But there
was a chance for Jack Sawyer to blow it up,
but he just couldn't make the play on the edge.
He kind of forced the passer backward, but Collins was
able to avoid the sack and throw it in the

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end zone to a wide open receiver made it thirty
one to twenty three, and now you've got an eight
point game chip as we've got about what four minutes
left to go in the game.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah about.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
So Ohio State needs needs to play, they need basically,
they just need a few first downs and they can
put the game away. But the Notre Dame does have
its timeouts left. And at this point you're thinking, you know,
you're not thinking too much about that missed field goal
because Notre Dame is still very much in the game
one one score down, and Ohio State is able to

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you know, convert a big, big, big pass play to
Jeremiah Smith, a very gutsy call to put the ball
in the air, knowing that the other team's timeouts have
been used up and your defense has played well for
the most part all day, and you could really have
pinned Notre Dame deep and felt pretty good that Riley

(24:31):
Lander is not going to carve you up, knowing that
you don't have to really send a lot of pressure,
you don't have to blitz, you can play coverage and
dare you know Riley Leonard to beat you with his arm.
But Schip Kelly brings out a call that Ryan Day
ended up saying after the game he wanted to do
this earlier, and eventually they did do it. They pulled

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it out the perfect time. Jeremiah Smith at single coverage,
Will Howard hits him and then it's just a matter
of centering the ball for wherever Jaden Fielding wants it.
Jaden Fielding tax on the field goal, and that effectively
ends things as you've got a two score lead with
less than a minute to play, and Ohio State goes

(25:16):
on to win thirty four to twenty three.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah. I liked you know at the time, you know,
watching it on television, you could see Ryan Day talking
to Jaden Fielding, and I genuinely I was happy for
Fielding in the sense that you know, he you know,
I had those you know that that those issues during
the Michigan game that obviously, you know, impacted the final

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result supposedly. I guess what Ryan Day was saying to
Jaden Fielding is that you you brought up the the
way that Will Howard centered the ball, that it was
that was deliberate by by Will Howard. That I guess
what Ryan Day was saying to Jaden Fielding is like, Okay,
we you practice this every day like this is this

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is exactly what we do all the time. This is
you know, like the way that you know, like the
ball was centered, the way that he was able to
you know, connect, like you said, make it a two
score game. I was very happy for Jayden Fielding. And
obviously I can't put into words just the you know,
like just how happy I am for Ryan Day after

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everything he been through. It's been well documented about you know,
death threats, and I saw in a very emotional, understandably
emotional interview with his with his wife about you know,
some of the things that their their children had to experience.
So I mean, just I'm so happy for Ryan Day
that to finally get all of the naysayers off of

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his off of his back.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, he didn't just win the big one, he won
four big ones.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yes, in a role exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Really amazing outcome for the buck Eyes considering where they
were after the game, and uh, yeah, it was an
unorthodox centering of the football because Will Howard ran to
his right. That must have been where Jaden Fielding wanted
the ball and felt most comfortable, because you wouldn't do
it otherwise because there's no reason to you didn't really
gain any additional seconds off the clock by doing it.

(27:19):
So you go where your kicker wants the ball, and
he went to the right. So Fielding made the field
goal and it was two for two on the evening,
And felt good for him, Feel good for everybody, Feel
good for yourself after this game?

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Oh yeah, I mean, like I said, I mean, it's
it's just it's just.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Weird thinking about you know, in the in the aftermath
of like you said, you know, the fact that Okay,
they you know, played you know, tremendous opponents in the
in the in the postseason and they were able to
come out and win a national championship. I mean, you know,
I freely admit, you know, just feeling so you know,
at the opposite end of the spectrum, you know, like

(27:59):
in the aftermath of November thirtieth, like that that seems
like ancient history, you know, like just the fact that
it's like, Okay, Ohio State. Yeah, you know that the
Michigan game is always going to be big, but the
fact that they won the national championship, I'm completely over it.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, I I will say I was afraid of Jaden
Greathhouse in this entering this game, and rightfully so. He
caught eight passes one hundred and twenty eight yards and
two touchdowns. In fact, it was was it Jordan Hancock
that was trying to interfere with him because he was
beaten and wasn't strong enough to pull him away from

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making the touchdown grab.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, he's a good player. I really was impressed with
his performance against Penn State, and he showed up in
the second half of this game. Our picks to click
Chip you had Travon Henderson. This was the first time
in at least five games where Trayvon Henderson wasn't the
better of the two running. But I really feel like

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they ran him up the middle too often, especially when
they were trying to run clock, and I felt like
they should have been trying to maybe run off tackle
a little more because Trayvon Henderson seems to be better
out there, they seem to block it better. But he
ends up with twelve carries for forty nine yards along
of nineteen, which is good, but in a four point

(29:23):
one yard average, which is not bad. But I would
I would say that he came up a little short
of clicking for me.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Okay, that's fine. I just I mean, to me, the
most important thing he did, without question, was he was
that block on that third down pass to Jeremiah Smith.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
But that's fine, Yes, I.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Thought that that was that was like worthy of significant praise.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
His it is. His blocking was very good in this game. Fact,
that's why Josh Fryer didn't need to hold. He had
help from the running back coming, and Henderson was going
to easily made that block if he hadn't help. Okay,
so it was a double team block and Friar was
starting to lose his man, but Henderson was arriving. Now

(30:08):
you're the you're the tackle on that side. You you
know what the formation is. You run this play and practice,
you know you're going to get help from the running back.
Why grab him? Good point, But I had Jeremiah Smith
on offense. I think he clicked.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Yes he did.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Didn't do much with his one rush, but he did
catch five passes on seven targets for eighty eight yards
and a touchdown, including the big clinching long pass, and
that that first touchdown was a play to remember for sure.
Then defensively, you went with Caleb Downs. We always call

(30:53):
him the free space Caleb had five tackles to finish
tied for third on the team. I thought he had
a very strong game. Definitely think he clicked. He did
have one mistackle in this game that was kind of
a big one. He wasn't the only one to miss
the tackle on that play. But Caleb Downs was his
normal solid self. I took Jack Sawyer. I thought Jack

(31:15):
Sawyer was very very quiet in this game. I don't
think he clicked at all. I think that he was fine,
but I don't think he was as dominant as we've
seen in this run.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, I would say that's fair. I mean it's also
you know, if anything, you know, like I think, you know,
we talked earlier about the holding call that finally you know,
like that was on I believe it was that was
against kyleak Williams. You know that it was finally registered.
But yeah, the note name offensive line, that was a

(31:46):
concern that they know granted, you know, withholding calls that
might not have been called, they acquitted themselves. Well, so yeah,
I think, you know, Jack Sawyer, I mean, after what
he did against Texas, we kind of expected a bigger
game against our aim.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, but you know, I thought he was good. I
think really the defensive stars in this game. Cody Simon
had eight tackles, including a tackle for loss. Sonny Styles
had six tackles including a sack, and JT Tooy Mooloaw
was fantastic in this game as well, two tackles for
loss in a sack and just creating all kinds of havoc.

(32:24):
And again those ends were being held a lot, but
no call. But I think those were the stars, and
Cody Simon was defensive MVP of this game. On the
offensive side, just to quickly go through it, Judkins with
one hundred yards rushing two touchdowns, he was certainly had
to be a very close vote between he and Will

(32:46):
Howard for offensive MVP. It went to Howard, but you
could easily have given it to Judkins.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Oh, without question.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Will Howard did it with his arm and his legs.
He was seventeen of twenty one, two touchdowns, no interceptions.
He was sacked twice but didn't turn the ball over
and in fact also ran the ball sixteen times for
fifty seven yards, which was way more than what we're
used to seeing from him.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, I mean it's one of these things, you know.
I come I'm gonna freely admit, you know, with Will Howard,
not just because of the National championship. It's sad that
Ohio State only got him for this one year, but
I mean what a year it was.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, incredible year in fact, Chip Will Howard a guy
who some people scoffed at bringing him in. All he
did this year, Chip was a throw for over four
thousand yards and set the single season school record for
completion percentage. He broke CJ. Stroud's record by completing seventy

(33:50):
three percent of his passes.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
That I was not aware of that he broke c. J.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Stroud's career record for completion percentage. Like I said, I mean,
I'm tremendously impressed by Will Howard, just his poise obviously
the way that he plays the game. Looking forward to
seeing hopefully you know that he goes to a good
situation in the NFL, because I think he could definitely

(34:16):
develop into a good professional quarterback.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I think he's shown that he can play at that level.
I mean, you know, you may say, well does he
have does he have the arm strength to do it?
I feel like he probably can be a backup in
the NFL and maybe even a spot starter or you know,
when the when the starter is out. I feel like
he's a smart kid. I feel like he's accurate, especially

(34:39):
if you have a like a shorter passing game, and
he makes good decisions and he you know, I feel
like he would have run the ball more this year
if Ohio State felt better about the backup situation, If
Ohio State felt better about his backup, I feel like
they would have not They would have run this probably
close to this much in a lot of games. But

(34:59):
because they didn't, I feel like they didn't want to
put him in harm's way and wanted to limit that
until this game where it's like it's you got nothing left,
this is the last game. You got to go for it.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Yeah. I mean, he definitely has the skill set, I
think to be a very effective runner. I think that's
how I mean. Kind of what was I don't want
to say advertise, but kind of like what was the
belief coming from Kansas State was like, Okay, we've got
you know, the more mobile quarterback. And it wasn't as
as pronounced as you know, probably you and I thought

(35:32):
it was going to be, but it was it was
very effective. Whenever he did decide to run the ball.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, Trey Van Anderson, as I mentioned, forty nine yards rushing.
Macca Buca had six catches for sixty four yards, Jeremiah
Smith five catches for eighty eight yards and a touchdown.
Carneal Tate had a couple of big catches for thirty
five yards total, including a very key third down conversion,
and Quinchawn Judkins with a couple of catches for twenty

(35:59):
one yards in a touchdown. And I will say this also,
not only did a Mecca Buka eclipse one thousand yards
for the season, he passed kJ Hill for the all
time career record in receptions in Ohio State history. Henderson
and Judkins both entered this game shy of a thousand yards.
They both eclipsed a thousand yards chip. Ohio State had

(36:21):
two one thousand yard running, one thousand yard running backs,
two one thousand yard receivers, and a four thousand yard passer.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Quite the accomplishment.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, it's not the first time that a team has
had two thousand yard rushers and two thousand yard receivers.
Oklahoma did it a few years ago, but one of
those rushers was Kyler Murray. The quarterback the Ohio State
had two running backs that did it.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, I mean, now, granted, you know that's a nice
thing about being able to include I'm just going to
say that the postseason in stats, it used to be
like years ago that that was not considered part of
the regular season. But it was impressive all all around
in terms of what you just said with you know,
passing the ball, running the ball. The High State offensively

(37:12):
was just it was tremendous to see.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Now, even in a sixteen yard game, even in a
sixteen game season, that's impressive. And I mean because you
got to go back and think that a lot of
those receiving yards did not happen in the second half
of games. A lot of those rushing yards did not
happen in the second half of games when the starters
were out, So very very nice accomplishment. Of the funny
thing about that Oklahoma team, Chip is they had a

(37:35):
running back that came less than one hundred yards from
also reaching that thousand yard mark. And that running back's
name was Trey Sermon.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
I forgot about that.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
So if a Buckeye legend in his own right for
his back, his performance against the Northwestern a big ten
championship game. Any last thoughts, Chip, But I know we
talked about Ryan Day, and we talked about the fact
that what he'd been through and people can say, well,
he put himself through that by not winning the game.
You and I talked about the fact that we thought

(38:08):
it was not unreasonable to expect a coach with that
much talent at his disposal to win his rivalry game
at least every other year. He wasn't able to do that.
So we understood the not really calls for Ryan Day's job,
but we understood why people would suggest that maybe he

(38:32):
wasn't the guy for the job. We understood that. Now
with this, obviously he has redeemed himself in the eyes
of Buckeye Nation. There are still probably a few holdouts
to who think that he will never be acceptable until
he starts beating Michigan again. He has beaten Michigan. But

(38:53):
I feel like there is also a subset of people
who think, oh, High State fans are all crazy. They
were calling for this guy's head. Look what he did,
Look look at his all time winning percentage. But you
could it's easy to say that now. I don't think
it was as easy and as clear cut to say
that at the end of November.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Yeah. I what I'm happy for with Ryan Day is
when you think about, and you know, I said it
a few times, the fact that, you know, like the
the third national championship since two thousand and two, Ryan
Day is in we're talking very exclusive company, you know,
the fact that you know, you know, when you go
back at you know, like the tremendous history of Ohio

(39:33):
State football, his name is up there with Okay, we're
gonna you know a lot of names that our listeners
are familiar with, Okay, Paul Brown, Woody Hayes, Jim Trussell,
and Urban Meyer. Okay, that that's a pretty exclusive I mean,
that's a legendary list. So he's up there.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Now he gets to be not that I'm going to I'm.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Not putting the pressure on him. I'm I'm certainly not.
It would be wonderful if ohisate went back to back.
We have plenty of time to think about, you know,
like the twenty twenty five season, but he gets to
be in the in the category of coaches with potentially
with Woody Hayes, to win multiple national champions at Ohio State.

(40:17):
He's a young guy he's only you know, like forty five,
and obviously you know, like he you know, he's he's
got I agree with you. I think he's going to
have always a small subset of people that no matter
what he does.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
You know that, you know, kind of like that old
joke about you know, like with you know, like.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
You know, Jesus walking on water, but you know, like
what did he do it backwards? You know, like you know,
like there's always going to be somebody that's never satisfied. Well,
it's like I you know, like I I'm happy for him.
I'm happy for his family. I'm happy for the players especially,
you know, like we talked about Jack Sawyer and a Mecca,
like these guys that have been you know, like having
to hear about like not beating Michigan. The fact that
they won a national championship. I'm going to treasure this then,

(40:59):
I that's my That's the one thing is like, you know,
national championships are never easy to you know, it's rare.
I mean, I guess I look back on the three
that Ohio State has one in my lifetime that it's
like wow, you know, like that those were you know,
like a lot of series of misfortune and heartbreak along

(41:20):
the way. But I'm going to treasure this national championship.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
As you should. This This is one of the hardest ones.
I think Ross Byork the ad said this was the
greatest run in college football playoff in college football history.
Hard to argue with it when you have to go
through four teams like this Tennessee and Oregon and Notre
Dame and Texas. These these are four very very good

(41:45):
football teams. Five wins over top five schools. That's amazing.
Randy really redeemed himself this year. Although there is that blemish,
that one Michigan sized blemish. You can't really ask for
much more than this from your coach, from your team,
and I think what Ryan Day means to those players

(42:09):
should alleviate the way those players spoke about him, the
fact that they came back and all of that stuff,
the fact that we still got guys coming back UH
that don't have to I feel like, and we'll talk
a little bit more about that. I feel like this
is this is the sign that you need to let

(42:31):
it go, relax, and that's the last piece of the puzzle.
Once Ryan Day gets the Michigan puzzle, UH sorted out
and he unlocks that mystery box. Uh, this is going
to be a very nice career for him if he
stays at Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah, I have no doubt in my mind. You know,
it's still gnawing at him, like you said, trying to
figure out what you know. Again, I think you know,
it's gonna it's gonna be interesting to see, you know,
kind of like to me, I wrote an article about
it on Buckeye Huddle, like the the you know, like
the mystery is, you know, like what was actually said

(43:10):
in that team only meeting that Ryan Day was a
part of, you know, I I you know, like it's
all you know, basically speculation in terms of like what
was actually like it was heated, it was emotional, tears
were shed. But the fact that kind of what you
what I agree with you, Michael, is that you know,
it's like these players they love and I'm saying that

(43:32):
in the most flattering way, they love Ryan Day, and
they their performance during the playoffs represented you know, like
it was represented that so you know, so so happy
for everyone involved, you know, and again, it's it's going
to be interesting to see what direction Ryan Day's career takes,

(43:54):
you know, now that he can say national championship head
coach Ryan Day, he is, you know, like with Davos
Swinney Clemson and Kerry Smart at Georgia. Among active college
head coaches that have won a national championship, it's a
very small.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
List, indeed. And uh, it just pains me to live
so far away because as you and I record this chip,
the team is celebrating its national championship at at the
shot Stein Center.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Yeah. Well, actually, I'll have to say at the at
the at the at the stadium, outside the stadium.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I thought that was a shot today.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Yeah, in the cold. They're out in the cold, I
will say, Yeah, I was kind of disappointed that it was,
you know, being held on a Sunday.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
I'm sure that there was a legitimate, good reason why,
you know.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Like the the previous two national championships back I was
there and again in the freezing cold, you know, like
I got an opportunity here you see Grant do a
beautiful rend of Priman, Ohio. And then you know, ten
years ago for the twenty fourteen National Championship, I went

(45:07):
with my best friend from high school who lives in
the Columbus area, went to that one so I wasn't
able to attend it, but I am recording it, and
I'm kind of anxious to see all the wonderful things
that are being deservedly said about the twenty twenty four
national championship team.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Well, it's we talk about this every year. Only one
team's fans get to be happy at the end of
the get to be totally happy at the end of
the season. This year, Ohio State fans, it's you. Yes,
you got it all right, Chip. We'll talk a little
bit more about the buck Eyes in just a few minutes. Well, well,
of course we've got a lot of news to cover

(45:43):
as well since our last show, and why don't we
get to those news items and maybe a little bit
more discussion about where the buck Eyes go from here?
Right after this we're back Chip, And of course, the

(46:04):
transfer portal never seems to sleep, So why don't we
start our OSU news segment about the transfer portal we
since you and I last spoke on this podcast. In
another additional portal entry in Calvin Simpson Hunt, who has
quickly decided to go to Baylor just a couple of

(46:26):
days after announcing he was going. In the portal and
Hero Canoe also entering the portal. So those two guys
will not be part of the twenty twenty five Ohio
state team.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Yeah, the best of best of luck to them both.
I will say when it came to Hero Canoe, that
one was a surprise simply because you know, he was
not necessarily I didn't look at him as a starter
per se, but as like somebody that was in that
defensive line rotation on the interior. And the fact that

(47:00):
he decided to take his talents elsewhere. I mean, obviously
whatever kind of conversations he's had with the coaching staff.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Completely respect that decision. But I was surprising.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
And as far as Colvin Simpson Hunt, I think that
was just a I mean, he was a guy that
when they got him in the recruiting you know area,
he originally was like a verbal commitment to Texas Tech.
So like, maybe this is an opportunity for him to
not only be closer to home going to Baylor, but
maybe he kind of saw with with the depth chart,
the fact that you know, this is an opportunity for

(47:33):
more playing time as well.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
But they go to put the Yeah, guys got to
put themselves in the in the best position that they
feel will help the situation. So yeah, I like you,
I thought Hero Canoe is going to get more playing
time if he stays than he has. But maybe he'll
be in every down guy wherever he ends up. So
good luck to both of them, and just means Ohio

(47:57):
State needs to add more depth in behind them. And
I think Edric Houston really acquitted himself well as a
freshman this year. In fact, he played meaningful snaps in
the National championship game.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yes, Ederck Houston definitely has a very bright future, you know.
If anything, the fact that you know, he came to
Ohio State as a as a defensive end but was
transitioned into an interior defensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Again, maybe that's you know, kind of like you said,
maybe a factor in here a Canoes decision.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah, maybe Edric Houston's going to be that Adolphus Washington type.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
That that would that would not be bad, That would
not be bad at all.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah. All right, some of the guys who were in
the portal we already knew about are we know where
they're going now. Devin Smith is going to col so
he's back out on the West coast a little closer
to home, George Fitzpatrick goes to Kansas State. So in effect,
a collegiate trade between Ohio State and Kansas State with
Will Howard coming in and the player to be named

(48:59):
later is George Fitzpatrick.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yeah, he gets to he gets to join. And I
can't believe I just blanked the linebacker that that had
verbally he had gone out to Kansas State as well
earlier this earlier in the in the transfer portal. It'll
come to me. But and then as far as yeah,

(49:23):
Devin Brown, this this is I think, you know, there
must have been some kind of conversation about all right,
you're not guaranteed to start, you know, like it's going
to be a competition, and you know, like it's entirely
possible that that, you know what he was told that
all right, Julian.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Saying right now would be the leader.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
By no means do I think that Julian Saying has
a lock on the starting quarterback position for twenty twenty five.
But yeah, you know, Devin Brown probably uh you know,
is thinking, you know, this is probably you know, like
you said, you know, you gotta you have to put
yourself in the best situations to play.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Right, did I say, Devin Smith, I think I said
you did you.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Did that, But that's okay.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
He was it was a very good wide receiver, but
he he did not just transfer to cal.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Yeah. And and it's gonna it's gonna bother me in
terms of like that the linebacker that's that scored against
Akron with the fumble recovery, that it's gonna it's gonna.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Bother Gay Powers. Is that what you're thinking of.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
That's exactly thank you, it was bothering me.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
It's our age chip. And then the names, you know,
they're in your head, but you can't force them out,
well exactly.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Well, it's difficult. It's especially difficult when you know, like
that was I joke about the fact that it was
kind of you know, that was a while ago, you know,
like it you know, not you know, like months ago,
but it was, you know, like a good month ago
that Gay Powers, you know, announced that he was entering
the transfer portal you know, wound up at Kansas State.
So now George Fitzfatsic, like you said, you know, kind

(50:59):
of jokingly about the player to be named later. So
basically like a two for one, two for one, Kanasas
State gets two. I'll take Will Howard in the National championship.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, I'll take that too, And maybe those two can
be roommates since they know each other.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
You got it.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
There were some transfer portal rumors didn't come from Ohio State.
Nil always makes people edgy, I'll use the word edgy.
There were some wild rumors online about how Carnel Tate
and maybe Jeremiah Smith would be leaving Ohio State after
this season. Both of those wide receivers have taken to

(51:39):
social media to kind of shoot down those rumors. Doesn't
at all make sense for Jeremiah Smith Carnel Tate, you
could say, well maybe because he wasn't used as much,
but he is going to be the number two guy,
and he stands to get targeted a lot. With what
defenses are going to be trying to do to stop
Jeremiah Smith. Carnell Tate really figures on the offensive side

(52:02):
to make the biggest leap in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Yeah, I think I think it was a good decision.
I mean, obviously I'm biased. You know, when it came
to you know, like the rumors, obviously it was it
was just that, you know, it's like, you know, there
was never ever anything you know like that. You know,
Colonel Tait never ever came out and said, oh, I'm
thinking about it. But I'm happy for him. I think

(52:27):
everything that he has been through off the field, you know,
has been you know, well documented. I think Ohio State
has has been a tremendous resource for him. So I'm
glad to see that he's going to be at Ohio
State for at least another year, because it's it's sad
to think about, but you know, like, you know, he'll
be going into that I guess you could say that
contract year. You know, like the fact that he'll be

(52:49):
like his third year away from high school and draft
eligible after next season. So, you know, staying at Ohio
State I think puts him in the in the best
position to elevate his stock in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
And certainly, Jeremiah Smith has accomplished everything you could basically
accomplished as a freshman just about I was a little
surprised that he wasn't named National Freshman of the Year.
If you ask me, would I rather have Jeremiah Smith
or mister Sellers from South Carolina, I would have definitely
said Jeremiah Smith. And I think he will get drafted

(53:20):
in a higher position. But you know, these these things
are what they are, and it's you got those two guys,
and I feel like Brandon Innes is going to be
that slot guy. So you're going to have those three
guys are going to be your your top targets in
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Yeah, and I'm I mean, if anything, the fact that
there was such interest in Colonel Tate and not surprising
about Jeremiah Smith, you know, like on the nil front,
it's frustrating as an Ohio State fan, but it's also
it's a credit to Brian Hartline, you know, for the
recruiting and the development of these guys that you know,
like there's you know, such interest in the wide receivers

(53:58):
that are playing at Ohio State. So it's exciting. And
as far as yeah, Brandon Inness, I'm I'm excited about
him because you know, Jeremiah Smith rightfully has you know,
captured so much attention. But it's so easy to ignore
the fact that, like when Brandon Innis came out of
high school, he and Colonel Tate were considered to be
the top wide receivers coming out of high school. A

(54:21):
couple of years ago, so it's like, now they all
get their opportunity at you know, some some turns in
the spotlight.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Yeah, Ohio State's got some pretty decent wide receiver history.
It's it's not easy to just break straight into the
starting lineup, not at all. You brought up a good
word that I want to take a quick little sidebar on,
and that is development. And I feel like that even
you and I were probably not blown away by the
you know, the arrival of Will Howard, but I feel

(54:49):
like Will Howard has said in a numerous postgame interviews
how much he's learned since coming to Ohio State. And
I don't think you can undersell the development aspect of
what Chip Kelly and Ryan Day were able to do
with Will Howard. He was a much better quarterback than
we expected to see. And as the season went on,

(55:09):
you know, with the exception of a Michigan game, which
we both feel like he may have been playing concussed,
he looked amazing all year, especially later in the year,
and during this four game run.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Yeah, Ryan Day, I mean I'll say this much, you know,
like a year ago, you know, you know, following the
close loss up and in Arbor and then okay, like
the next thing, you know, it's like all right, comic
coord says, I'm out of here, you know, like the
transfer portal. And I'm happy for comm Accord that he

(55:41):
had a very good year at Syracuse. And but I
will say that like the announcement, okay, we're bringing in
Will Howard wasn't necessarily like oh okay, like this guy
is like the end all be all. It was more
of as I've said previously, like all right, the lack
of mobility at the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Position was pronounced under you know, under.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Kyle McCord, and the fact that okay, I thought they're
going to reintroduce the quarterback run. Chip Kelly basically said,
you know, it's like we're you know, not necessarily looking
to run the quarterback all the time. But to your point,
Will Howard, one of the things that attracted him was
the fact that, like Ryan Day's track record of developing quarterbacks,

(56:25):
he saw, you know, the fact that you know, we
mentioned CJ. Strobb previously, and you know you can't ignore it,
like Justin Fields and the late Wayne Haskins. I mean
they all played under Ryan Dave's tutelage. The fact that
Chip Kelly was was coming in, you know, so I'm
excited for Will Howard to see I I certainly hope
as a Cleveland Browns band, you know that is perpetually

(56:48):
an organization that is perpetually in need of a quarterback
that they will give strong consideration on day two to
Will Howard and let him develop into a solid professional.
But yeah, I'm happy for Will Howard that you know,
like he truly blossomed as a passer under Ryan Day
and Chip Kelly.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, I will tell you that I am not adverse
to having him selected to the Betua's backup in Miami.
I would not mind seeing that. One of the one
of the plays of the game in that Notre Dame
game was he was about to get crushed on a
third down play and made a perfect throw to Carneal Tape. Yeah,

(57:29):
it was the play where at the end of it
he got up and he was like shrugged and wings
at the sideline, like, yeah, that was a very good play.
And that's the kind of play that is that has
me thinking he's he is an NFL capable quarterback because
you have to make those split second decisions and be
accurate and and he did that on that play.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Yeah, that's exactly it. I mean, like I think his
decision making process, his poise, his accuracy, and you know,
let's talk about the things that are measurable. You know
the fact that he you know, he's you know six
or four about you know, two thirty two forty has
very good mobility. Uh. You know, like if anything like

(58:12):
when you're you know, like at the NFL quarterback position,
you know, you you mentioned you know Kyler Murray earlier.
You know, like to me, I always thought, all right,
you have to design your offense, you know, around his
skill set, which is which is good. The fact that
okay you have you know, like you you have to
roll him out. You have to do all these things,
you know, to make Kyler Murray effective. I think with

(58:34):
with Will Howard, he has all of the the handible skills,
you know, just the physical skills that you know you
would look for in an NFL quarterback. And then you
know kind of what you said, you know, it's like
I think the the things that you know can be
improved upon with with experience make him a desirable NFL prospect.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
In my eyes, I feel like if Brock Purty can
have success in the NFL. Then then Will Howard can
you got.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
It's it just depends the right organization, which is why
I mean, you know, I know that I'm sure that
you've seen it.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
I'm sure our listeners have haven't seen it.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
You know, the infamous Cleveland Browns Jersey with the number
of you know, starting quarterbacks. I'm not suggesting that they
that they draft Will Howard you know, and throw him
into the start. I definitely would like to see, you know,
if there's a right way and a wrong way, and
I think, you know, like Will Howard would be an
ideal guy, you know, like for you know, maybe like

(59:30):
let him sit for a year or two before you know,
giving him a shot at you know, possibly uh, you know,
winning an NFL job.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
That's very old school of you chip, because nowadays they
just throw those rookies right in there and then they
make a quick decision on whether or not they're good.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Some some organizations will give up on a guy very
very quickly, and very few will have patients to let
a guy develop anymore of these days. But well, we'll
see how it goes. I think he'll get drafted, and
I think that this four game run was a great
audition for him, so we'll see how that goes. Getting
back to the buck Eyes, Quinn Shawn Judkins is declared

(01:00:11):
for the NFL Draft. This is not a surprise. I
feel like this is something he would have done had
he even stayed at Ole Miss for another year. But
he is. He's going out a champion. He won a championship.
He came here, gained a thousand yards in the in
the Big Ten, and won the Natty and arguably was
the offensive MVP of that game. So I feel like
he's his stock is very high, and there's there's absolutely

(01:00:34):
no hard feelings about him turning pro.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
No, not not certainly, not on my part either. I mean,
if anything, it's unfortunate the reality of you know, like
the violence that is inherent within you know, football, is
that you know, a running back only has so many carries,
and it's unfortunate that you know, quite commonly at the
professional level, they only get that one contract. So it's

(01:00:59):
like it's it's so important for a running back to
produce at the NFL level and then hopefully get a
second contract. But you know, the fact that he's going
to get a jump on that, I certainly have I
completely agree with that decision.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Nothing illustrates your your point. You just made more than
an Ezekiel Elliott, who just ten years ago won the
national championship Ohio State, had a fantastic career with the Cowboys,
but his last several years he's looked like a shell
of the player that he once was, because that is
a position that takes its toll on the body.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Yes, I mean you do lose explosiveness.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
You do lose I mean, like it's just it's just natural.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
It's not it's not an indictment on the individual like
Ezekiel Elliott. It's just that you know, like you know,
I was, I was talking about this with some friends,
you know, like remembering how dominant I realize again different
era Earl Campbell was and then you know, like his career,
you know, like in the in the mid eighties just
fell off, and it was just the accumulation of so

(01:02:02):
many of those shots that you take, you know, the
wear and tear that you know, it's it's the kind
of thing where it's like if you're running back, you know,
making sure that you get you get that first contract
and hopefully that second contract.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Absolutely some better news about Ohio State. Is that two
players on that defense who could have gone pro are not.
They are returning to Ohio State, that Sonny Styles and
Davison Nigbinosen. And you know, if Davison Nigbinosen can just
get rid of the penalties, the rest of his game

(01:02:37):
is very, very good, and a lot of those penalties
come from just not trusting his coverage is good, he's
in position to make the play, but he would rather
grab and rough up a receiver than locate the football
and knock it away or put his hand up or
read the receiver's eyes whatever. Jim Knowles has some work
to do with that young man and Sonny Styles returning,

(01:02:58):
that is a huge bonus for that defense.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Oh with I'd like to yeah, as far as like
Sunny Styles, that one, you know again, you know, it
was you know the fact that he you know, he
reclassified coming out of high school, so you know, he
you know, as an Ohio State fan, was excited. But
then it's like in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, Okay,
you know, like this this guy has the potential to
be three years and done. I'm happy to your point

(01:03:23):
about with Okay coming back. You know, he's he is
a I'm not saying he is going to be, but
he's a legitimate contender to be wearing the block oh
Jersey next year, you know, taking it over that he
will be considered, you know, one of the veterans of
that Jim Noles defense, and so I'm happy that he's
coming back in as far as you know, Davison Abnosen,

(01:03:44):
I've said it many times, I love the physical nature,
you know, like I love his competitiveness. That they've got
to do something about the pastor I mean that the
fact that they were they were. It was well documented
during the National Championship game about how many times he's
had past inference calls. That they've got to work on that. Otherwise,
you know, the fact that you know, yeah, he's going

(01:04:06):
to be a starter at Ohio State, but his NFL
draft stock will not will not appreciate.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
No, no, because you know, there's there's a line and
he crosses it a lot. Even though he's not called,
he sometimes is crossing that line and he just needs
to find out where that line is and play on
the correct side of it. But two big returns for
the defense. The defense is going to lose a lot
of guys, and you know, to just to have any

(01:04:33):
continuity at all is is a good thing. So I'm
very excited about having Sunny styles back. I'm excited about
having Davis and Iguanosen back if he can curtail the penalties,
because otherwise I'd rather just see him go.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Yeah, I think he's I mean, like there must have
been some conversations. I mean, one thing about the players
that we don't you know, we're not privy to, but
they you know, every player gets, you know, kind of
like ANFL draft evaluation, and maybe uh, you know, Davison Mgnosen,
to his credit, you know, recognize the fact that, okay,

(01:05:07):
I need to I need to improve my technique, you know,
not be you know, grabbing the receivers incurring so many
passer inference calls. And I mean sometimes it's going to
be called you know, you know fairly, you know, you know,
but you it just seems so egregious in his part.
So yeah, Davison Nigunosen, you know, he'll he'll be considered
to be one of those guys that needs to step

(01:05:28):
up as a consistent starter next year.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
In the secondary, cornerbacks have a very tough job, especially
the way the rules are, so you know, half the
battle is the coverage. If you're beaten and you need
to take the penalty, especially in college, by all means
take the penalty. But a lot of these he's not
actually beaten and he's taken an unnecessary penalty exactly. Uh. Finally,

(01:05:53):
a little bit of NFL news for a past Buckeye,
the goat, j T. Baron Schip. This is a guy
who said he didn't want to go into coaching because
he didn't want to deal with alarm clocks at one time.
But he is. He's been named the Bears, the Chicago
Bears quarterbacks coach. Now I know that that doesn't sound

(01:06:16):
it sounds very ominous to be in charge of Chicago
Bears quarterbacks because it's historically been a graveyard. He went
from being an assistant QB coach at Detroit to the
head quarterback coach at Chicago. And congrats to JT. Very
much deserved and I'm excited to see where his career

(01:06:39):
takes him.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Yeah, I again, you know, I think you know. J T.
Barrett definitely is one of those guys that you know,
I'm happy to see that, you know, in his chosen profession,
is rising up the up the ladder, so to speak. Yeah,
it was kind of a surprise, like, you know, the
fact that he infamously said, you know, I wouldn't want
to you know, put in the hours and that kind

(01:07:02):
of thing, and the fact that he's you know, being
recognized as a really good quarterback coach. So I'm going
to be I guess you could say, I, you know,
pro football doesn't really hold me in the way that
college does, but I'll definitely be keeping my eyes in
ears open for J. T. Barrett.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
I mean it does. It's not a bad thing when
you're going to be coaching up Caleb Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
No got I mean a lot of talent there, but
also you know, like there's a lot of room for growth,
you know, So hopefully Caleb Williams is receptive to the
coaching from J. T. Barrett.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
And in terms of the Bears, if they would maybe
get their quarterbacks some weapons and some protection, it probably
would go a long way toward the team being successful exactly. Anyway,
the final thing I wanted to talk about Chip on
this broadcast, and this is our last show of January,
and we will be going to our off season calendar

(01:07:59):
of a mon monthly show, and you know, more often
if needed, you know, depending on how much news there
is for us to talk about. But the last thing
I'm going to talk about is the twenty twenty five
buck Eyes, because this is a team that's losing a
lot of significant pieces and all of those guys that
came back for unfinished business are going to depart along

(01:08:20):
with a lot of other guys that you know, maybe
we're on the custom maybe we're going to be either
late draft picks, are not picked and have now worked
their way through their college careers. It's going to be
a very different looking Ohio State team next year, starting
at the quarterback position, where we really don't know what's
going to happen. You kind of alluded to this. Julian
Sayan is not like he's not down as the starter

(01:08:42):
in INC for twenty twenty five. He's he's probably the favorite.
But this is not a This is going to be
a team that if it's going to repeat, it's going
to be extremely difficult for this team to repeat because
it's going to be first year starter or somebody brought
in in the portal.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Yeah, I and I'm I'm definitely I'm leaning more towards
you know, like if there's a quarterback that comes in
via the portal, it's going to be somebody not necessarily
to compete for the starting job, but more to kind of,
you know, give it a little bit of experience and
you know, kind of like almost like in the in
the event of an emergency, like Okay, we've got a
guy that has some some playing some playing time, but

(01:09:22):
like I look for a legitimate quarterback competition between Julian Saying,
Lincoln Keenholts, and Tavian Saint Clair, who's a true freshman. Now,
the likelihood that Tavian Saint Clair is going to win that,
you know, I again, he has the physical skills, but
in terms of you know, being able to overtake Saying

(01:09:44):
in Keyholts, it's going to be interesting to see.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
For sure, Yeah, will be a difficult situation, but you know,
he's he is a talent every bit as as highly
touted as a Dylan Royola. So who did win the
starting job out Nebraska. So but then again, Nebraska didn't
have a Julian Say and who's was the number one
quarterback recruit in the country. So it'll be interesting to

(01:10:07):
see how this goes. Having the receivers back is good.
You're gonna have some new protection. But I think one
of the players on the offense that really came on
in this this run was Luke Montgomery. I think Luke
Montgomery stock is sky high right now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Yeah, Luke Montgomery. I mean he was one of these guys.
And again I want to give I want to give
credit to Justin Fry. I mean, like we understandably, you know,
like the the angst and the anxiety over recruiting, but
you know the fact that that Justin Fry with the
with the being able to shuffle guys on the offensive line,

(01:10:47):
and they were so productive, especially you know, like in
the National Championship run. But getting to your point, like
Luke Montgomery is a guy that figures to be in
the starting lineup somewhere. I'm not sure if it's going
to be left guard or if it's gonna be right guard,
but you know that that's the beauty of you know,
like the spring football as well as you know, summer conditioning,

(01:11:09):
you know, kind of figuring out, you know, who you
want is your starters. And I think we've Montgomery is
a definite candidate to be one of those starters.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
You got a veteran running back coming in from West Virginia.
Not a speed guy, but a more of a power guy.
He'll probably be splitting carries like Judkins and Henderson with
the people's choice James Peoples.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Yeah, James Peoples is one of those guys that you
know kind of got I don't want to say got lost,
but you know, the like naturally the fact that he
was a true freshman and you had Judkins, you had Henderson,
you know, he was the third guy. But next year,
all scigns point to to people's being the starting tailback.
And like you said, you know, like with Donaldson, he's

(01:11:51):
he's more of a you know, like the physicals, you know,
like between the tackles kind of guy. So we might see,
you know, a similar type of you a rotation that
we saw this year in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
So we got a very experienced backup that should step
into a starting position this year in RBL Reese, who
actually did start some this year. I feel like Reese
and Sunny Styles are two of your starters at linebacker certainly.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Yeah, Like Arvel Reees definitely is kind of you know,
like that you know, traditional middle linebacker. We talked about,
you know, sunny styles his first year as a linebacker.
I mean, yeah, you know you have you know some
sometimes where you know, things didn't necessarily go perfectly, but
the physical skill is all there, and I think just
another year at the linebacker position is just going to

(01:12:43):
help to elevate sunny styles.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Sock. Yeah, defensive backfield will look a little bit different. Obviously,
you're gonna lose Denzel Burke, You've lost Jordan Hancock. Is
anybody else going as well?

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Out of the no, Like, I mean, I think you
hit it right on the head. You know the fact
that Jordan Hancock was kind of like an unsung hero
of that secondary Denzel Burke, Lathan Ransom, Ransom obviously, you know,
like you know, it's like those guys, you know, like
it is comforting to know that Caleb Downs we've gotten

(01:13:18):
for another year. Yeah, you know in the secondary, and
you know he'll definitely be counted upon heavily.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Yeah, you're gonna have some some new ends starting on
that defense as well. This ship is not going to
be any kind of easy for Ryan Day in twenty
twenty five. This is a proverbial. You know, they talk
about We don't rebuild. We reload, but in some cases
you do need to rebuild somewhat. It's going to be

(01:13:48):
a difficult season. You've got to go to Michigan next
year with again a first year starter in the game
at quarterback, no matter who it ends up being. I
don't I don't think that we're going to take a
transfer from Michigan to play in the game. So I
think it's going to be a first year starter in
the game. I don't know what the twenty twenty five

(01:14:10):
prospects are. I do know that I'm the kind of
person that if you give me a championship, I'm going
to savor that championship. And if the next year is
not quite as good, I'm not going to I'm not
going to get all excited about it. But there is
a percentage of this fan base that will get a
little antsy if the Buckeyes aren't at the top of

(01:14:31):
the heap again in the Big Ten, at least in
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, you know, some people
are never satisfied. I put myself with you, like, I
am definitely going to be savoring this, you know, because
I just know, you know, how infrequent, and you know
that a national championship is not something that you're guaranteed.
There were certainly so many, you know, examples throughout my

(01:14:58):
lifetime of teams that maybe if Ohio State had this
kind of a format, a playoff format, some of the
teams from the nineties as well as you know, some
of the some of the other teams that Jim Trussell
or Urban Meyer had, maybe there would have been more
national championships. But you know, savor it, you know, and
I think, you know, to your point in twenty twenty five, Yeah,

(01:15:18):
Ohio State, they're I'd be tremendously surprised if they repeated.
Stranger things have happened, But you know, like going into
twenty twenty five, I would have to say that Ohio
State has all of the ingredients to be a team
in the College Football Playoff, but maybe not necessarily to
repeat his national champions.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Yeah, and with what Oregon has with you know, some
of the other other teams in the Big Ten have
maybe not in the Big Ten championship game. And it
might not be the year that Ryan Day gets over
that Michigan hump since it is a road game and
he's gonna have a new quarterback and some a lot
of new pieces. But you know, stranger things have happened.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Ohio State win the

(01:15:58):
game in twenty twenty five, but I'm not going to
hold my breath because of all the years that they're
set up for success that they didn't have any This
is not a year that they're set up for success.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
No, they are not. And I mean, and it starts off,
I mean, you want to talk about, you know, a
tough opener. I mean Texas, Texas, Texas, which has granted
Texas they're gonna they're going to be going full time
with Arch Manning as their quarterback, so that should be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
But yeah, like to to open up with Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
And I mean you mentioned the fact that Ohiostate they
go on the road to ann Arbor, you know they
you know, a game that I think is going to
gain more and more scrutiny is going to be when
Ohio State has to go to Illinois. I think Illinois
is one of these teams that you know, they they
kind of had a very successful twenty twenty four season.

(01:16:52):
I think the fact that Ohis State has to go
to Illinois, which is not an easy place. So it's
it's going to be a demanding schedule with like you said,
you know, like a lot of you know, questions at
crucial positions on the team. But I think Ryan Day,
I think he's going to have the he's going to
get the mindset focused on you know, like not you know,

(01:17:13):
dwelling in the national championship year of twenty twenty four,
and hey, we've got to we've got to regroup and
get ready to play ball in twenty twenty five. The
off season is going to fly because this is this
is the latest Ohio State football has ever played.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Well. It's helpful because the off season is usually long. So, uh,
does Quinn you are? Is there any chance quin you
Weres pulls out of the draft and transfers back to
Ohio State?

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
No, not at all, Not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Yeah, because I mean we saw some of Quinn you weers, Uh,
some of the things he's been criticized for. We saw
that in the Texas game. I don't I'm not saying that,
you know, playing under Ryan Day for another year as
a starter would make him better, but I'm not saying
it wouldn't make him better.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Yeah, I just I'm not surprised that he declared for
the NFL Draft. I mean, if anything, you know, it's
it's one of those things where it's like, you know,
I have no doubt that other teams were kind of
curious about, you know, like, hey, would you would you consider?
I mean there was a rumor with like North Carolina
for example, and Queen you Weres. But yeah, I think

(01:18:28):
with the quarterback room that they have now, I would
be thinking it's going to be a transfer quarterback more
along the lines of Chris Chuganhock. Yeah, you know, like
a guy that recognizes like, all right, you might play,
but it's going to probably be in spot duty. It's
not going to be you know, coming in to compete

(01:18:48):
for the starting job. That's just my belief.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Well, I'm I'm I'm not surprised that quarterbacks in this
year's class it's not considered a strong class. I'm not
surprised by some of the guys deciding to to go pro.
I am a little surprised at guys like club Nick
down at Clemson and all are over at Penn State
that they didn't go because I feel like they're not
going to have a chance to go hire them what

(01:19:13):
they might go this year.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Well, I was not impressed with Drew Aller in the
game against Notre Dame if anything like it kind of
made me think, like, okay, you better stick around. I
mentioned how you know, the fact that like Cleveland Brown's
fans are just desperate for a quarterback. In the fact
that Drew Aller's from Ohio, you know, people like, oh, like,

(01:19:36):
maybe he can come play for the Browns. If anything,
that Notre Dame game made me say, no, he definitely
is not ready. I think Penn State, you know, to
the point about like with the transfer portal, the fact
that Penn State they not only have Drew Aller coming back,
both of their starting running backs. It's almost like they're
they're popping with you know, like a lot of the
Ohio State mindset of a year ago, like okay, like

(01:19:58):
if we can have our star come back for one
more more try, Penn State should be a legitimate threat
to win the Big Ten in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Yeah, And I will say that this is one thing
that Nil has really brought to the game is the
ability to to give players money to where the you
can maybe hang on to some of those guys for
that extra year when they when they feel that strongly about,
you know, trying to win a national championship.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
All right, Chip, I think we've yammered long enough on
this National championship edition of the Silver Bullets podcast. Although
it's it's hard not to get excited and just continue
to talk about, you know, our feelings about this team
and what it accomplished this year. But we'll we'll have
the offseason to to delve into some of those issues
as well and some of those topics. So anything else

(01:20:45):
on your mind for this particular episode.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
No, just anything, Just savor the national championship.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
It was a wonderful experience.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Obviously would have loved to have gone completely undefeated, but
that's not always in the cards. And with a new format,
I'm glad that Ohio State can proudly say that they
won the very first twelve team college football playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Absolutely, and as we talked about just a few weeks ago,
maybe the most difficult road to the title was Ohio
States and they were able to not only to win it,
but when it convincingly, they left no doubt. There was
only one game that was really even a close game
in Ohio State was in a very good position late
in that game anyway, So that was the Texas game.

(01:21:32):
So this has been a remarkable run for the Buckeyes.
Wasn't a perfect season. And you know, some of the
players have alluded to this. Some day it'll come out.
There'll be a book on what happened in that locker
room and that player's only meeting where they just pulled
in coach day and they had some tiers and they
had some frank discussions and you know, went through what

(01:21:56):
they needed to go through. Whatever that, whatever happened there,
that will come out someday and it will be fascinating
to find out what that was because it it really
galvanized this team in a way that we weren't expecting exactly,
especially me. I picked against them all four games at
the front.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Yeah, well that's okay. I mean I think you know,
the results of November thirtieth, I think, you know kind
of you know, shook everybody. But if anything, you know,
like the fact that Ohio State, like you said, like
they galvanized, I mean, look that they they really came
together and I mean they put on a.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Show for the national for the National Championship.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Yeah, all right, Chip, Where can people find you and
your fine work on the internet.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
I can be found on Twitter at Chipmnick.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Last name spelled m I N N I c H.
And I'm a contributor to Buckeye Huddle, so look for
articles from from Buckeye Huddle peering, you know, probably on
a weekly basis.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
All right. You can find me at Mike thirty six
fan on Twitter or on Blue Sky. I've started a
Blue skychip Oh okay, so at Mike thirty six fan.
On either of those platforms you can find me. And
you can find my writing on Mondays at Land Grant
holy Land dot com. I haven't picked a topic yet,

(01:23:18):
as you and I are talking about this, but I've
got several and I've created an off season story bank,
and I've got some topics all listed out and i
just got to pick the one that I'm feeling best about.
So every Monday you can find me there. You can
follow the Silver Bullets podcast on Twitter as well at
silver Bullets Pod with no E in the word silver,

(01:23:40):
so sil vr Bullets Pod. Everything else is spelled correctly
at silver Bullets Pod with no E in silver. On
the twitters, you can also email us at Silver Bullets
Pod at gmail dot com. Spell it all out correctly.
We got no character limitations on the Gmail accounts, so
at silver Bulletspod at gmail dot com. We'd love to

(01:24:03):
hear from you and answer any questions you have, especially
in the off season when news isn't as prevalent, This
might be a great time for you to ask us,
you know, questions about you know, Ohio state history or
or top players or top games, that kind of thing.
We love to talk about that stuff, So we'd love
to hear from you. And we are in our off
season schedule, so we'll see you at some point in February,

(01:24:26):
and we will promise you that we will get out
a show every month for as long as this podcast
exists in the off season, and if we do more
than one, that's just considered that a bonus. Exactly, all right, Chiva,
it has been a real pleasure covering a national championship

(01:24:47):
season with you for the buck Eyes. We have not
gotten to do this. We we didn't start our podcast
partnership in time to get in on the last championship
under Urban Meyer. But this is a very different feeling.
At the end of the season for us.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Yes it is, and it's been a tremendous experience. If anything, again,
just kind of you know, taking it all in and
enjoying it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
That's right. Go buy all of the merch that you
can find, you know, get your Columbus Dispatch and frame
it and put it on your wall, your your sports illustrated,
all that stuff. I have a conundrum because I've got
the last two national championship sports illustrated above my door
and my den, and there's no space to put a
third one up there, so I have to find a

(01:25:32):
new place for it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
Well, I'm sure you will.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
I'm sure you will. Thanks everybody for listening. We'll see
in February. The only thing left for us to do
is what we always do at the end, and that
is to say, go Bucks, Go Bucks.

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