BtVS S1E10 Nightmares

High school can be a real nightmare! Especially when a local kid with psychic abilities falls into a coma causing everyone's bad dreams to come to life

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Recovering Gleek presents.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
A clear Buffy Podcast. You do I know you're you're
the resident insomniac.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Do you dream a lot? I dream enough. I'm not
like one of those people who's like I never remember
my dreams, but you dream enough? Okay, But I don't
have like like watching this episode, I was contemplating what
recurring nightmare would occur for me, and I didn't have

(00:41):
like a slew come to mind. I also just gobless,
don't have nightmares incredibly frequently. I have like stress dreams. Yes, yeah,
like Buffy having to take the test that she didn't
study for, Like that's much more likely as opposed to like,
oh my life visit peril, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, definitely, Hi everyone, I'm Lena. I forgot.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
I was about to be like, do you want to yea, I.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Will, and welcome to I like couldn't. I could not
get any sound out. Sleigh.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's called Sleigh and it's called Luffy Podcast. Uffy Podcast,
and it's called Sleigh, and it's called Sleigh. Welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
We're happy to have you.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Hi, nightmare. It's going well, we're talking about nightmares. I
want to share the win of all winds, which you
already know, which is when we did Glee. The win
of all wins was that my brother started watching Glee
and then like watched the entirety of Glee and would

(01:48):
like come on the podcast and talk about it. Yeah.
I got a message from my sister earlier this week
where she was like, I started watching Buffy, and let
it be known, this is a sister that like would
be in my parents' home with me when I was
watching Buffy as a teenager and like wanted nothing to

(02:09):
do with the show, and if she would come in
the room and be like, can we please watch something?
I mean, she wasn't that rude. She wasn't like turn
this off, but like she just had showed me she
was interest whatsoever. And she sent me a message the
other day unprovoked, being like I started watching Buffy. I
really like it. She has been messaging, I'm not kidding,

(02:30):
sending like every episode that she watches, sending like a
twenty minute Marco Polo talking about the episode and unpacking it.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
My sister would never watch the show because she hates
everything scary. So even if she is like convinced herself
that something is scary in her head and isn't actually
scary like something like this. I feel like like, if
you're not a horror fan, you would still enjoy this,
but she she is very nervous about anything scary.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Okay, that makes sense because a lot of people. It
just has never really occurred to me that people would
think Buffy was frightening. Yeah, because we got a lot
of messages that were like, hey, I'd love to continue
with the podcast, but I want to know, Like I'm
not a horror fan. I get scared easily while I
like the show. And I was like, oh, I guess
it does a vampire in the title. Yes, it's not.

(03:17):
I would say there's maybe like once a season there's
like a scary.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I mean the cat jump scare and the puppet in
the window. Like there are some like creepy moments and
maybe some like you know, moments that employ good jump scares,
but it's mostly be horror movie style. And I mean,
I at least I also came up in the Twilight
era in the you know, you know Twilight's are sexy

(03:45):
interview with a vampire era. I like never thought that
even before I was like a fan of horror, I
didn't I didn't think that people thought that vampires were scary. Yeah,
exactly that they we.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Wanted to let them buy it next Yeah, come on hello,
come on hello, come on now.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Hey, that's a something to think about, something to think about.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
She also told me that last night also, like, sorry, Erin,
I'm sharing all this that last night she and her husband,
I don't know, they were out somewhere with her husband's friends,
and like, her husband's friends just mentioned that they had
seen Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and my sister was like,
oh my gosh, you guys watched Puffy. I'm watching it
now and I love it, And then like had a

(04:30):
whole discussion with him about how much she's enjoying it. Good. Yeah,
it was so lovely to hear.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
That's awesome. Oh my god, I love Honestly, We've gotten
a lot of emails from other people, you know, saying
that how you know they've started watching the show where
they finished the show and they I know, it makes
it all worth it.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
People who are like I started the show because I
was gonna watch week to week and then I bench
the entire thing and it's done now, and I it
was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen Hello.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Hello, I love to hear that too, So I mean
that we're proper missionaries.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Out here exactly. This is our call.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Here's some of the good words.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
It is.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
It is sent by Buffy Summers herself. All right, we're
talking about Nightmares. Do you want to hear some slacks?
Should we just get into it?

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, it would be my dream. Do you hear something?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Oh? I love that.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
I love that. Oh my god. Oh yeah, it's time.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Okay, like always, and I scoured the internet.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Girls, there's so much information, so much information behind the
scenes for this episode.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Well that's the thing is they do write books about it,
just you know, it's not as readily available in the
places that I'm searching, and especially in these early seasons
before it is the cultural icon, there's not a lot
of like behind the scenes info. You know, we're gonna
get to episodes what they do behind the scenes, like
like filmed BTS reels.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Of every episode talking about season six. I've seen that video.
Yeah yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Also a bunch of mom Hello. We'll get to it.
We'll get to it, but for now, just take what
I give you, Okay, all right. Nightmares is the tenth
episode of the first season of Ope the Vampire Slayer.
This episode was written by Joss Whedon and David Greenwald
and then directed by Bruceseth green No Relation. Originally broadcasted
on May twelfth, nineteen ninety seven. Kind of fun, all right.

(06:48):
So Sarah Michelle Geller is claustrophobic and she is afraid
of she's afraid of. Uh. I wrote it down. I
was trying, God, you to me. I wrote it down,
but I was trying to like do it more naturally,
like you do it. So I was just looking away,
trying to look at you and tell you, and in

(07:10):
the meantime, I forgot what a fucking graveyard is. Okay,
Sarah Michelle Geller is afraid of graveyards and she's claustrophobic.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
So this she's afraid graveyard.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, girl, let me read you this quote. So she said,
I have an irrational fear of cemeteries and being buried alive.
I told the producer, look, I can't do it. I'm sorry,
and then through miscommunication the message the message never got
relayed and it was four in the morning and they
basically made me do it. I was hysterical. It was

(07:45):
one of the hardest things I've ever done it for
my job. Ever, some people find cemeteries a turn on,
Like some people have sex and cemeteries. Not me. I
cried the whole way home. It was horrible. It was
It's really hard to be a vampire slayer when you're
scared of cemeteries. Isn't that the saddest thing you've ever heard?
They like made her do it even though she was

(08:05):
like having a panic attack about it, and like she
told a producer, and the producer like didn't take her
seriously enough and didn't really any information, Like they couldn't
have found another way to do it.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
That is tragically not very surprising to me.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
And also I know that this girl ends up engraves
a lot.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna be so real with you
right now. The cemetery of it all I do that
really sucks. But well, and it's also like it's also
like the script of the pilot had a cemetery in it,
kind of like, yeah, I do empathize with that, but
like you knew the job you were taking, like you're

(08:45):
gonna be in cemetaries, and like.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
I don't, are they filming in real cemetery?

Speaker 1 (08:50):
No?

Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's on the lots, but the afraid of real cemeteries
that's fairly rational. A lot cemetery less rational. Sorry, mister Michelle,
I don't. I hate to be mean.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well, I also wonder because the claustrophobia is the one
that I find upsetting, because, like I said, exactly, it
was in the pilot. You got the script before you
accepted the job. You kind of knew that, like this
is the game, but like we're gonna put you in
a tiny little box and shed it on you and
leave you in there was not to agree upon. And

(09:22):
I wonder if the cemetery thing is even though like
obviously it's fake and so she's fine to do it
most of the time, but like her having to go
into a real coffin even though it is a fake cemetery,
if it like worsened the cemetery aspect of it.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
That's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking. That's kind
of the sad fact. Let me tell you some other ones. Okay,
Willow has a Nerf Herder poster in her locker. The
Buffy theme song is by Nerf Herder, Wow and Nerve
Hurder meaning the band and not the the Quippi nickname
that Lee Princess lia Sis.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
So she says, she calls Luke that right.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Nerve harder. No, I feel like I thought it.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Was like a tattooing thing. I honestly, you know Star
Wars better than me. I should default you, I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
But Princess Leiah goes you freaking nerve harder. No. I
think it's in the second it's I think it's in
the second one where it's.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Her and Han. You're correct, Yeah, and she's like.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Getting in his face and then they the tension is good,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Hard? Yes, Yes, Empire. Empire is a work of art.
Leah leia Is. I have said this, and I've been
saying this, You've been saying this. I like the whole
original trilogy, obviously, I think they're all fantastic. Of course,
I do think the perfect ending for the original trilogy

(10:52):
is that Leyah is the one that defeats Vader. That
like there is this whole prophecy about like how the
only one who can defeat him is his child, and
then for him to be so focused on Luke, and
like it has to be Luke.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
One of them is unaccounted for.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
You yeah, and completely overlooking Leah and then like Leah
is the one that does it. I think that would
have been dope. But oh well, I left pennts Lea
down bad. I'm obsessed with her. I love in that movie,
Oh my gosh. When they're stranded on the like sandworm
planet the moon, yeah, the like worm moon, and Han

(11:29):
can't get the Millennium falcon to take off, and she goes,
they are on tatooed No, no, no, no, no, they're not a
Job's palace. I'm not talking about Return of the Jedi.
I'm talking about they're on the moon that the like worm.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
You're talking about the.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Snow Yeah, I thought about the Starlac pit. No no, no, yeah.
And Han can't get the engine to turn on, and
I goes, yeah, you want me to get out? And
pushes are amazing wars. Anyways, is Willow a big Leya
fan or is she a big nerve for a rock

(12:00):
band fan, or more likely is she both?

Speaker 2 (12:04):
I think she's both. But the thing is Alison Hannigan,
who plays Willow. She's the person who turned Joss Whedon
on to using a Nerferder song for the theme song.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Oh then she said she's rock band primarily. Probably she's
rock band primarily. I think she liked that band and
she like, you know, yeah, volleyed them.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
I think that. So shout out to Alison Hannigan. The
last fun fact I have about this, I know, I know,
I got liked for you, and I went to several
I went to several sites. Scott Harlan, who plays the
opera singer, has not acted since this appearance.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Oh you believe, not even like in opera.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Maybe, uh maybe, but I'm assuming that they mean like
film acting. I'm sure he's done other stuff because he
works currently. I don't know currently, but he after this
like gave up acting and like trying to do screen stuff.
And he's a vocal coach at AMDA.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Maybe he knows my friend, my friend is a dance
teacher at maybe. And then we'll have him on and
we'll talk to you about the.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Dot be sick. Don't make promises you can't keep.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Don't make promises you can't keep talking about the one
episode he had.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, Scott Harlan, he does a great job. He sounds
really beautiful. And then let me tell you some alternate titles.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
You love these?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Okay, So obviously most of them are direct translations to nightmares,
but the French one it's called Billy after the little boy,
after the little boy. Oh, it's interesting, but guess who
knocked into the park with the name again obviously this
the German title of this episode called the Power of Dreams.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
All they're onto something, Onto something. I think they should
rename all Media. If you're trying to come up with
a name for something, contact Germany. First.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Why would you call it nightmares when you could call
it the power dreams, the power that dreams have over
you and the power of dreams that the power that
dreams have over the town.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Come on, incredibly misleading title. I know, I know, I
think it's.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Probably better, but like, Power of Dreams is so fun.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
It's gonna be a feel good, inspirational the power of dreams.
Then it's like this little boy was physically abused. Oh okay, yeah,
speaking of do you want to hear the recap of
this episode?

Speaker 2 (14:51):
I do?

Speaker 1 (14:51):
All right, Well, here's what the evmpire slier. Let me
tell you, all right, life is a living nightmare sunny
Dale literally, because something is causing its citizens nightmares to
become real. Our team experiences their recurring fears. While investigating
a mysterious disappearing and reappearing boy and a disfigured assailant

(15:13):
who keeps saying lucky number nineteen. They discover that the
young boy is Billy, a local boy in a coma
whose psychic abilities are causing everyone's fears to materialize, and
the assailant is the physical manifestation of his fear, his
abusive baseball coach, for whom he is number nineteen on

(15:36):
the team. Billy confronts his fear with the help of
Buffy and wakes from the coma, causing the nightmares to end,
and his coach is put in jail. And that's a
bit of an abrupt ending to my recap, but that's
all she wrote. That's all I have.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
I love that, hey, And that's the thank you. You're welcome,
that is thank you, appreciate it. Recurring dreams, yes, recurring nightmares.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Recurring nightmares. Do you.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Did you have like nightmares as a kid? Did you
have nightmares? Do you have recurring dreams?

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Now?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Tell me about you and your relationship in the power
of your dreams? How many times can I drop that
in this episode?

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Do you think I think we should go for record.
I think fifty three, so you're two now sick fifty
one ago. I have a sneeze that is brewing, so
if I sneeze while talking, I apologize. I have like
a few, and by a few, I mean maybe only two,
like Hallmark like nightmares I remember from when I was
a kid, but they were like one and Don's. And

(16:46):
this episode is specifically about recurring nightmares that people have. Yes,
here's my recurring nightmares. I don't know if this is
a nightmare. It's more stress stream. I would have a
stress stream a lot that I was sent to the prince.
Oh okay, and that was it. It was just like
you have to go to the principal's office, and I'd
be like walking to the principal's office. Then I wake up.

(17:07):
I would have a recurring stress stream that all my
teeth were falling out, which, if you look at dream psychology,
means you feel like you're out of control of your life.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
I have that dream a lot.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah, I had a lot of teeth falling out dreams.
And then this is the fun one. This is the
one that I think it really should have made me
take a deep look at my inner psyche is. I
would have a recurring dream that it was my wedding day.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
And oh I'm buckled in hell.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, and the bride much loved to all these girls.
The bride was always like one time it was my
prom date, one time it was my first girlfriend. It
was always like these girls that I had had like
a little bit of like a romantic something with, yeah,
And I was like, I don't want to get my

(18:00):
married yeah, But everyone in my life kept being like, no,
you do know you're so perfect together, No, you're great together.
You do want to get married? What are you talking about?
You want to marry her? And I was like I
don't think I do. And then everyone's like, no, you do,
like not even like having a conversation with me, just
being like, no, you do you want to get married
to her? Yeah? And then I would be like I

(18:20):
guess I do because everyone is saying I I should
and it's the right thing. And then would wake up
and be like nothing to examine there, and and then
just go about with my life. Hey, Hey, so that's
my big recurring dream.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
That's a that's a that's a big one. Hey, that
is a big one.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
All that's stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, my my queer recurring dream is that I dreamt
that I would be kissing my friends and that someone
would catch us and that I would get in a
lot of.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Trouble, the little mis perfect scenario, I guess by Kayla Lautiman.
Do you not know that song? Oh?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Oh yeah, that's a song that every calling me that
I was like, okay, you know the Taylor Loudhman in
like won some competition and then Taylor like did a
recording of it. Yeah, yeah, I do know that song.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Something like that. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
That was my big one, and I like it would
be different like different friends of mine, which, honestly, I'm
my mom would have been fine. I don't know why
I was so scared of her being mean to us.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Anyway. It's almost like it's almost like society and the
people around you were telegraphic that that was a bad
thing that I guess evil that's so crazy.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, I don't know where I'm getting that. WHOA, But
I have a lot. Honestly, as a kid, I had
nightmares a lot, and I like, I like slept in
my parents room for like a good portion of my
childhood because I like had a lot of nightmares as
a kid, and it got to the point there my mom,
I was my mom. She taught me this. I think

(20:07):
she was just at her wits end, and she was like,
you know, when I was a kid, we had this
television and you could go up to it and you
could turn the dial and it would change the channel immediately.
She's like, I don't have scary dreams because I know
that if I don't like something that I'm watching, I
can change the channel immediately. So she told me that,

(20:27):
and I feel like I was cured of nightmares. Oh
heck yeah, I like still was having them, but I
remember I in my mind, i'd be like, very quickly
if I was scared, I'd be like, and honestly, even
to this day, something will scare me in real life
and I'll be like, I'll have the urge to change

(20:48):
the channel, and I remember I would squeeze my eyes
really tight, and then I would wake up and it
would be fine. So she cured me and my nightmares.
But now, even even as as recently as last fucking night,
I have stress dreams a lot. My stress dreams are
my hair and teeth falling out. I remember like a

(21:08):
couple of years ago, I was like sleeping in bed
with like a former partner of mine, and I woke
up gasping and like screaming, and they were like, what's
going on, what's going on? I was like, my hair,
It's just because my hair was falling out. And last
night I had the dream. And I have this kind
of dream all the time where I'm like I have
to get somewhere like so fast, and my dream is

(21:33):
just me going through essentially like an obstacle course of
commuting or like trying to like find my way through
like my house or like the school, or like my
workplace or the mall, and I just like keep getting lost,
and I keep like and I have to get there now,
and like I can't find my way. So I have

(21:55):
that dream a lot. I also this dream I have
a ton where I'm in the car and no one
is in the driver's seat and I have to get
from whatever seat I'm in, like sometimes I'm like strapped
into the like the passenger seat, or sometimes I'm in
the back and I have to like climb over seats
to like try and drive like from like different seats

(22:18):
in the car. I have that dream a lot. I
have the dream of it's into the woods specifically, and
I have to go on and I'm like, I haven't studied.
I haven't studied exactly. It's actor's nightmare. So yeah, I
have a lot of stress dreams, but I don't really
have a lot of nightmares proper anymore because my mom
taught me that fun trick that I could change channel

(22:40):
on my mind.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Well, something I love about this episode is that I
don't know it. Maybe I'm maybe I'm just built different,
maybe I'm different, but like, I don't My entire life
wasn't having a ton of like horrific scary nightmares. I
still will like like times, but it was much more

(23:02):
stress dream focused.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah yea yeah, much.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
More like stressful everyday situations like you just described. So
that is something I appreciate about this episode is we
have are like clowns with knives. We have our like
vampire coming, but then also we have like, oh we
have a test today and I've never attended class. Oh
I'm supposed to sing a song and I don't know
what the song is. Oh my hair looks really bad.

(23:26):
Like though, what I at least in my experience, are
the much more consistent common, I guess the much more
common like stressful or embarrassing dreams.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Totally totally like even like Giles says, like, Buffy's not
going to understand that this is a nightmare because the
way that she dreams is not like ghouls and goblins
and you know, clowns with knives. It's more stressful things.
She's not going to understand that this is a nightmare
that she's having. These are just stressful situations. Yeah, which

(23:59):
I thought the breadth of dreams here, they're pretty fun.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
The power of dreams, you know, the power of dreams
is pretty fun. What did you think of nightmares?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
I really liked this episode. I think this episode is
really fun. I think obviously this episode is really sad,
but I just think like the premise as the premise
of a Monster of the Week being your recurring dreams,
and also like these are recurring dreams, like a bunch
of them I have had in the past, like that
your hair is doing X Y Z, or like the

(24:30):
test and YadA YadA YadA, like or that your parents
says something mean to you, like this kind of stuff.
I feel like his dreams that a lot of people
have had, so I think it's very fun and also
so upsetting, but I know, like you know, so it
obviously the stuff with Billy is incredibly upsetting, but it's

(24:50):
also like, you know, upsetting to see that this isn't
just a dream that you have, that other people are
having it too. So I think this episode is fun.
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Okay, I love this episode. I think this episode's really great.
And we've had a lot of Monster of the Weeks
that I have loved and are really are just like
fun hurrahs. But do as much as I love the episode,
episodes do kind of like lift right out, like you
could just skip them totally, and like, certainly there wasn't

(25:21):
some massive plot development in this episode. Yeah, but I
feel like, and hearing who it's written by, it's incredibly unsurprising.
I do feel like this episode is a very good
character study on our heroes.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Oh my god, totally.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
We learn based on what their fears are and what
specifically their nightmares are, we learn so much more about
what makes each of them tick. And that was another
thing that I appreciated is it wasn't their greatest fears
come true, it was just their nightmares because like, yeah,

(25:57):
my greatest fear. Oh yeah, is a completely different thing
than the recurring dream of like me being forced to
marry someone, and like that dream does have traces of
my fear in it, but I just think it gives
them one. It's it allows the episode to be more

(26:18):
fun exactly, which I think is really great. And then
also we can kind of figure out like what their
core fear is based on the dreams, but the dreams
are still Buffy has a core fear of like letting
the people around her down, and the test and her

(26:39):
failing the test is a very fun way to see
that dream. Obviously, not all of the dreams she has
are fun, but like, it just allows us to have
a good time during the episode during this character study
that was so wordy, my gosh, I liked it. I
liked it a lot of size.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
No, I liked it. No, I agree. I'm glad you
enjoyed it. I think this episode is tons of fun.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
I think it's like none of the best of season one.
I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Oh, I love Okay.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
This is I do really love a character episode. Yeah,
I love a let's find out about these people. And
then also a gimmick can be fun, and I think
Buffy is very good at this in general, but sometimes
a gimmick episode, Like I used to complain about this

(27:32):
with Glee all the time, that Glee would be like
gimmick at the expense of character, where they would just
like shoe like.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Give shoehorn anything to any.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Characters and like give characters new personality traits for just
that one episode so they could do the gimmick. But Buffy,
I feel like the writers always come up with a
really exciting gimmick and then are like, and then what
could we learn about our players through this gimmick, Like
they are doing character first in the gimmick is supporting
the character insteade the other way around, and then a

(28:03):
nightmare gimmick is so fun and we have a lot
of like really fun, kooky stuff. But then I come
out of the episode feeling like I have learned a
lot more about what makes these people tick. And I
exactly love that.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
No, I love that. Yeah, And like you're so right,
especially in terms of like seeing the core of these
people through their subconscious Like I just think that is
so fun and there's so much to think about there,
Like now I'm like off thinking about like Okay, Giles,
he dreams that he's like not able to understand reading.

(28:39):
You know, he's he's like he can't find his way.
He is like, you know, this man like he like
values his knowledge so much and like he can't get
a grasp on that, and how like how what he
values in himself and like how losing that like would
be a big fear of Oh.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
My io, yeah get finished.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
No no, no, I can tell. I can tell You've
got something to say about what I just said.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
I also feel like, So we find out Giles's final
nightmare is he goes into the cemetery. They're looking for Buffy.
They go into the cemetery and they find a headstone
that says Buffy Summer's nineteen eighty one down to nineteen
ninety seven, and Willow asks whose nightmare is this and
he says it's mine. And we find out that Giles

(29:27):
has this deep fear of letting down Buffy, and I
feel like the reading is tied into that. Kind of
his role in this group is he is protecting these
kids and he is also like their font of knowledge.
He needs to be able to answer their questions. He's
the one who needs to be there to guide them,

(29:48):
and so for him to lose the ability to research
is suddenly that's like the precursor of he's no longer
able to protect and guide these children. He can't, he
can't teach them.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Anything because he go off on own and figure it out.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, and then we find out the core of that
is he has this deep fear that he will let
them down, and specifically Buffy. He Buffy will die and
it will be because he wasn't there to help her.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
God, damn it, Giles, what do you think that says
about What do you think it says about Xander? Yeah,
I being like a dream psychologist, I'm really into what
you're saying. Keep going.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I think we should do this with all the characters
I wrote. I was writing down.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Because I think, my god, I'm so lucky to do
this with you.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
I just think it's fun that we can kind of
be like, now, what do we think this reveals about them? So,
Xander's two fears that we see interact is that he's
in a underwear in front of his class, which was
in fact a sexual awakening for me when I first
saw this episode. I do remember, I do remember being
like especially it was it's also you said, it's also

(30:58):
funny because like Xander's hold bad is like, yeah, he's
like the nerdy guy that no one's interested in, And
then you see him shirtless and you're like, what are
we talking This guy's jack he's check out of his mind,
Like what are we talking about here? I guess he's
just so fucking annoying that people are like, if the
body is worth.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
It, annoying, six pack can't fix.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Annoying anyways, But his fears, that's so funny. His fears,
I mean, anyways, I was gonna say, like I understand why,
like Buffy's not into him, Like Buffy is she's got
like a good head on her shoulders, yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Like she's also got so much else going on.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, but like I remember what it was like to
be sixteen. You're telling me that, like no girl in
this school is like part of my French horny enough
that she would be like, yeah, okay, Willow Rosenberg, that's true,
that she's all over you know what, checkmate, check mate,

(32:04):
no girl, no girl will the second lead, second top.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Belt bil to buff Xander.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
I hope Oh as the show goes on, I don't
know if you remember Alison Hannigan's manager was was working overtime.
They said, you've seen these American Pie films. You've seen
these American Pie. I don't see anyone else doing those.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
She's a star.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
No, I was thinking about this. I do want to
talk about the dreams. Sorry, I'm the one that's getting
as off track. I was thinking about this yesterday because
someone's subletting from my roommate right now. And he walked
in and he went, oh, my gosh, that's the girl
from High Might your Mother? And I was like, yeah, yeah,
And then I told my favorite fun fact, which is
the only reason she's on High Might your Mother is
because the real person that Lily is based on, said,

(32:50):
you can only base this character on me if someone
from Buffy plays me. But I was thinking about it,
and I was like, Loki Elson Hannigan maybe has the
best career of anyone from Buffy. Sarah Michelle Geller probably
has the best career. And she largely like just stopped
doing stuff because she wanted to stop doing stuff. She's
wanted more time with her family. But she, you know,

(33:10):
was having like a blossoming movie career. And then was like, actually,
I want to break. I'm like Alice in Hannigan in
two hit, extremely long running shows where she is a lead,
and then an extremely popular and successful movie franchise.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah. Like, and she got fifth place on Dancing with
the Stars and.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Stars. She kinda she really she's kind of eating. Yeah,
she really ate them up, Like damn good for her. Also,
something I pieced together the other day. I don't know
how I never put this together. You a Ted Lasso fan?

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Of course?

Speaker 1 (33:49):
You know who Hannah Waddington's asshole ex husband is on
ted Lasso.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
You have Rupert Giles.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Hello, I had no idea. I had no idea. It
is not the power of dreams. I knew he was
in the second Percy Jackson movie. I remember that much.
But it's so funny.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
That's my I'm so excited whenever he's on screen. I mean, also,
Rupert Giles, you know that's my Yeah, he's my my heart,
my soul.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
No, I truly never piece that together. It's crazy, that's
so funny. Anyways, Xander's nightmares are that he's in his
underwear in front of his class and then that clowns
from like a recurring dream of something that happened when
he was a child, is clowns are chasing him with knives.
I do think what you just said. I think that's

(34:41):
Xander's core fear is humiliation. I think he Xander's are
like his nightmares are kind of the shallowest, which I
think does reflect on him as a character, and I
think is like fun and works. Yeah, but I do
think Xander is so like class clowny and so like

(35:04):
always trying to get people to laugh with him, And
I think it is a core fear of people are
gonna laugh at me, So I would rather be the reason,
Like I would rather be in charge of the laugh.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
He just has this fear that no one's gonna take
me seriously, I'm going to be a laughing stock. I'm
going to be humiliated.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah. And the Yeah, his dreams are the shallowest, but
they're also like so dynamic to look at you, they're fun.
He's naked, be the clown is so fun. It really
makes me and then him like also fighting his fighting.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
The dream like catching I love.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, I love that part and not like I don't
think that I necessarily like learned to fight my dreams
as a kid, but I definitely like had to fight
back in a way in terms of like turning off
my turning the channel. Hello. But so I love that
part too, And when I hear people being like anyway, yeah,
I just love that part too.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
And this is something no spoilers, but this is a
core aspect of Xander that we will continue to see
as the show goes on. Is he has this deep
fear that kind of he's a laughing stock, that like
he's not actually really good for anything, and everyone behind
his back just like thinks he's a loser. And I

(36:21):
do think this like as as like cliche and silly
as they are, school in your underwear, you look like
a fucking loser and like a clown is chasing you.
Willow even says when he's like, do you remember my
sixth birthday party? And she says, oh yeah, when that
clown chased you, and she starts laughing. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

(36:42):
So I think that's the core of that there.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
And while talking about the Andrews dream, I do want
to shout out I love this episode. I don't like
this choice at all, which is the swastikas on the
wall in his dream.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
I know, yeah, no, that's so ramp. I understand where
it's coming from, because he said something like, I'm not
afraid of spiders. If like, if Nazis were climbing around
my book, I would be afraid. I understand that they
put that in there because they had that line in
there and like he's afraid of Nazis. But I was like, Okay,
this is so casual to just like have spray prained

(37:19):
swastikas on the wall. I hate that part. I really
hate that part. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
I was like, I feel like we're kind of forgetting
the power of imagery exactly. Yeah, And I understand like
it's not showing it in a positive light, but I
still was like, no, no, no, yeah, I felt like
that added nothing and it was just like why was
that in there? It was upset exactly anyways, and it.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Leads me to believe, like, is this a part of
someone else's dream as well, because like dreams were converging.
I don't know, but I'm classically thinking too hard about it.
They just added it in their face, he's afraid of Nazis.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I think it's I think it's exactly that.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
But also it's not adding anything to the clown aspect,
which is the dream that they were focused on there.
I agree. I'm glad you brought it up.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Now should we do? I want to say Buffy last,
because she has the most to deal with. We could
do Willow, we could do Cordelia.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
This is like Cordelia open. Oh my god, I love
it though.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Okay, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
I was watching this episode at my desk at work,
classic me, don't tell my boss. At that part I
was laughing my butt off at you know, she is
so her hair gets so unmanageable, she can't brush it.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
She and then.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
She like it, starts wearing this outfit that is so terrible,
and then the chess club literally drags her ass into
chess club and she screams. She's like, I'm not even
in the chess club. Let me go. Like the idea
that her biggest nightmare is that her hair becomes unmanageable
and that she becomes so popular exactly exactly exactly, you

(39:01):
er exactly, yeah, yes, oh my god, it makes me scream,
like so.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
It is something that could be a little like corny derogatory,
like of course the big popular girl. Her nightmare is
that she's in the chess club. But they go so
ham with it, like she is screaming, screams, like they're
taking her to her public execution. She like literally and
she's like dragging her feet the afraid of any of

(39:30):
these people. The nerds are like yanking her. She's dragging
her feet, like pleading for her life. I'm not even
on the chess team, I swear I'm not. It's very fun,
It's very fun. Yeah, and what do you think, what
do you think this tells us about Cordy?

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Social standing is so special to her and like, you know,
if she has if she doesn't have that, she has nothing.
She needs to be like held in a high regard.
And she.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Is also you know that, Yeah, absolutely, yeah, And it
is like it's like fun and campy and of course like,
oh my gosh, she's so shallow that her worst nightmare
is that she has a bad hair day. But also
like you my hair constantly and I yeah, no, I
have dreams about she like that all the time. Yeah.

(40:21):
And also, like you said, this is her currency, this
is her value as a person.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
And the moment too, is also so funny where Giles
is like, God, who knows what other terrors are going
to happen around the school and then it cuts to
Cordelia screaming about combing her hair. God, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
I also I also think it speaks to why Cordelia
has such a problem with Buffy. Yes, because like she
goes out of her way to just be like Buffy sucks.
Buffy is the worst. And I think it is because

(41:05):
here is a girl that does not care about social
standing and does not care about me. I cannot control
this girl at all. I can't make her like me
and worship me. I also can't make her like hate
me and fear me. She just is completely content being
her own person and does not care about what the

(41:26):
school thinks of her. And that makes me feel powerless,
and that like really freaks me out. Yeah, Hey, Cordelia,
Chase my angel, shout out girl. Now Willa Rosenberg, whose
fear is she? Some guy comes and finds her and
he's like, Willa, what are you doing here? And she's like,
I don't know, and he's like, you're supposed to be
on right now and drags her And it's the actor's nightmare.

(41:47):
She is. She's on stage, she's performing in an opera.
She's never been to any of the rehearsals. She's with
am Do's own Scott Harlan, and they're supposed to be
seeing a duet, but she doesn't know what she's supposed
to say. Yeah, what's you read on Willow?

Speaker 2 (42:05):
My read on Willow is well, I think this is
like a preparedness thing, Like she is not prepared, so
like she is not prepared for it. And also it's perceived.
I think she like is scared of being perceived in
like a really intense way. I also love the stage
manager is like it's a tough crowd. All the critics

(42:26):
will come and they're hungry for blood. So she also,
like I think she's nervous about like you know, like even.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Like I do think Willow is to go off. I
first of all, completely agree with everything he said, and
I think you ate that up specifically, like it's a
fear of like not being prepared. I think that is
so on the nose. I think it's also like a
core fear of people being mad at her. Oh my god.

(42:59):
You see like when Buffy meets Willow, and when Buffy
meets Willow and Buffy's like, I'll be right back, and
with those knee jerk reaction is to go that's okay,
you don't have to come back. Like she just is
such a doormat because she's so afraid of someone being oh,
oh my.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
God, totally yeah, and like how like the audience would
be mad at her that she's not giving them a
good show. Her scene partner is mad at her, the
stage managers mat at her. She's letting everyone down because
she's not prepared for this thing. Yeah, Madam Butterfly.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Is that what it is? Is it, Madame Butterfly? It
is girl? I saw Madam Butterfly Butterfly high school. Yeah,
and there was like a like set error and they
had to hold the show. And you know, the passage
of time is like wonky when you're younger, So I
don't know how much time actually passed, but sincerely, it

(43:52):
felt like we were sitting in the dark in the
theater for forty years. Just let me go, like I
don't even care how it ends anymore.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Like, just bring me from this present.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Oh my gosh. It was starving me crazy. Then. I
also remember, as.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
An adult, I love shit like that. I'm like, actually
keep me here longer.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
In fairness to the opera company, it was an invited dress,
so it was fully rehearsal. Oh, it was cool. They
were like they invited a bunch of local high school
choirs to come and like watch the dress rose. It
was very cool with them because it wasn't invited dress.
I think since it ended up lasting so long, they
had to release the little boy who plays her son,

(44:32):
and so she is like she's like gesturing to nothing,
and she's like, look at his blonde hair and his
blue eyes. You think he came from me? Yeah, And
it's there's just a ghost on stage, and like so
much of the drama in that show is like with
the little boy and her showing showing the military guy

(44:52):
his son, and then like her killing herself I think
in front of the sun and fully just a ghost.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
M you know way more about Madame Butterfly than I do.
How did you not know is Madam Butterfly?

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Because how she wears a kimona, which I was like,
weird pick. But besides that, I don't like know the
music well enough to recognize it from three lines? How
did you know it is Madame Butterfly? Did it say?
Because I know?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I mean I saw the kimono. When I heard Italian,
I assumed it was Madame Butterfly. I don't know, Hey,
you know like deep into the plot.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Well, I have seen Madam Butterfly. But the cheek code
of Madam Butterfly is Miss Saigon is based on Madam Butterfly.
Oh yea yeah, it is literally the plot of Miss Sigon,
just with a different war. Yeah. So that's like the
main reason I know the plot about butterflies because because.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
You fuck with Miss Segon.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah, Christmas Hondag.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah, okay, I remember never mind what Corney mullen. Corney
McMullen sang a song from that musical.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
A God, Why This Please? I had I know exactly
the moment you're talking about, and I had the exact
same experience.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
I seriously was like, oh my god, oh my god,
oh my god, oh my god. She changed my life
that day.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
That song is gorgeous. I love the clip of Nspinosa
whoa ava ava no blaza no blizada, ava no blizada
singing da I swear I'll give my life for and

(46:37):
she's like holding the boy and then the music gets
all dark. That clip changed my life. Oh. The first
time I came across it, I watched it, I think
like fifteen times. She was a sequence ninety. She was
fresh off the Jimmy's yeh.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Oh oh we have a Jimmy She was a Jimmy kid.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah. Crazy.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Oh my god, she's nuts, wow in a good ways.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
I'm crazy show all right.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Anyway, this, this is the opera they're doing. I don't butterfly.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Oh yeah, And Willa's unprepared. I think you ate that up.
I agree with all of that.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
I think you ate that up too. I think especially
in terms of like people being mad at her, letting
her down.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, I think it's like, yeah, I think Willow has
a deep fear of being in trouble, and I think
grow me too, Yeah, and I throw me too. A
lot of her over preparation is she does not want
to She never wants to be in a situation where
she doesn't know what she's supposed to do and then
therefore gets in trouble. All Right, Buffy summers suffe. Buffy

(47:43):
has quite a few. Buffy's first nightmare is Cordelia is like,
I hope you're ready for this test in history, and
Buffy's like, not only am I not ready for the test?
I forgot we even had a history class together. It's
the infamous like you're not ready for the test, and
then all of a sudden your pencil breaks, and then
all of a sudden, the hour goes by too fast.
Her second nightmare ah is her dad comes in town

(48:10):
to pick her up for their weekend together.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
This scene haunted the fuck of me.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
This is the worst nightmare barring Billies, the worst nightmare
in the entire episode. It's awful. Her dad comes to
pick her up for their weekend together, and it's like
and also, I was thinking about this shout out to
the director. It's so much more powerful that the dad
isn't angry. He's just a matter of fact. It's he's

(48:38):
just like, anyways, So I'm sure you already expect this. Yeah,
I get nothing out of these weekends together, So I
think we should just quit. Her dad tells her, I'm
sure you know why mom and I broke up, and
she's like, no, I don't. Was there someone else? And
he's like no, it's just you know, it was too
hard to be your parent. You know, you're always getting
in trouble. You're so self centered. I just like, I

(49:02):
don't know, could you handle a daughter like you? And
basically tells her like, our divorce is entirely your fault.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
You are success three divorce kids, worst fear.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
You are such a burden on us, and just as
you quote.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
It, actually I don't want you anymore.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah. And also I'm not getting anything out of these
weekends together, so I think it's better if we just
cut it. And then her final nightmare, it's kind of
like that nightmare is so potent and powerful that the
final one I'm like, I don't need this. Her final
nightmare is like she's in a cemetery and the Master
is there, and then the Master turns her into a vampire,
which is, you know, the climax of the episode, I guess.

(49:39):
But the Dad's stuff is much more harrowing and also
says so much more about her that I don't really
need the Master graveyard stuff personally. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyways,
what are your thoughts with But also Sarah Michelle was
really scared about that. I know it was so necessary
to traumatize her for that, Oh my god, I.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Know, especially to like that the Dad stuff is so
intense and deeply upsetting. I think they could have made
her a vampire showed us the gravestone without having to
do bearing alive. And I thought that dream in the
past two where I'm like stuck in a barrel and

(50:18):
I like can't get out, and then I like, you know,
like you can't like clost herphobia dreams. But I mean, like,
you're so right. The dad stuff is so huge that
I don't think they needed to do that, especially they
didn't need to like traumatize sermshare like this. Well.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
I also think something I really was enjoying about the
Buffy dreams is, you know, here's like the kid in
their human psychology class, human behavior, whatever their class is,
and his worst nightmare is like Spider's calling out of
his textbook. And here's like Xander's worst nightmare is like
killer clowns. Someone in Town's worst nightmare is like giant
insects attacking. And then Buffy, who is dealing with like

(50:58):
demons and goblins and goals every day of her life,
her worst nightmare is letting down her parents. Yeah, and
that's so much more powerful to me that, like, her
worst nightmare is not these literal monsters she's fighting. Her
worst nightmare is her being a failure at life that
she can't pass this test that she's the cause for

(51:20):
her parents' divorce. That like she is not an ordinary.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
That like something about her makes her exactly some difficult
and unlovable yes, and lets everyone like down and no
one can no one can put up with her.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
And that is so much more powerful to me than
her worst nightmare is that the Master's going to turn
her into a vampire. So I just felt like it
was kind of it was antclimactic, and it cheapened the
other stuff before it just for me personally.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Totally, And I mean like it's very exciting to see
Buffy as a vampire. Yeah, that stuff is fun, and
I can see how a culmination of things might Buffy
turning into a vampire, like that's her old simate fears.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Yeah, because that is like also that's like exactly.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
But I mean also I think that besides the optics
of the vampire slayer becoming a vampire, I think that
the like that message could come across just as well
without that.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
I don't know, but even like you know, letting down Giles,
letting down like her friends, letting down the town. That like,
she can't even be a vampire slayer, right, The thing
that she is most she has put on earth to
do that. She like fails that. It's so hard, she
becomes a fucking vampire here.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
You will me over. It's a good choice. It's a
good choice.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
It's like I hate that they that they buried Sarah
Michelle alive.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
I hate that, but I just like the dad scene
is so powerful. But you are correct. It is like
the ultimate It is not what I'm trying to say
is so it's not against what her fears were before.
It is the ultimate failure.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
You're so correct, And especially when they find her, like
Giles and the rest of the Scoobies, when they find her,
she is so ashamed, like to show them her in
the vamp face is like you knew I would do this,
You knew I would let you down, Like I really,
I really fucked it, like I it's not even like

(53:31):
a like I'm a monster thing. It's like a damn
I failed that hard, like I really fucked it. SMJ
doing some of her best acting. SMG. Excuse me, Smjeller.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I think you're thinking s JP.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
I'm going s J.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
You're molding them together, the two Sarah's.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Anyway, Sarah Michelle Galler, she is doing some of her
best acting too in this like This Girl too, Like
she is full of a sadness in this episode that
is so beautiful, Like to watch her react to what
her dad is saying to her breaks my heart literally
every time. But then also she also is so gentle

(54:19):
and caring and protective of Billy as well, like and
to carry both of those things throughout this episode. Sera,
Michelle Guller, you're eating this roll up?

Speaker 1 (54:30):
I love you? Oh yeah, what is your read on
the test?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
On the test? Yeah, well, I like and how it
relates to her letting people down or.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, I just because that's kind of I love that choice.
Everything else I really like, but like it makes perfect sense.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I've got an answer for you.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yeah, because that's the one that I think is the
most exciting. It is like, this seems like such a
trivial for someone who is this like grand figure to have,
and yet she's constantly having it. So I think that's
the one that's the most fun to unpack. What's your answer, I've.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Got an answer for you. As the resident uh as
a resident Baden's school kid, this girl she works so
hard to be a vampire slayer that she like doesn't
even have time to go to school, and to like,
she's literally missing a whole fucking class. She's been to
one class of this, and it is so deeply when

(55:32):
you have been skipping class, or you've been doing poorly
in class and you like fail a test or you're
dreaming about failing a test, it is so deeply shameful.
It is so deeply, deeply shameful. And when your mom
sees you're the result of your test, or that one
teacher who really gives a shit about you sees the
results of that test, you have let them down. It's

(55:56):
like not just you, it's like, you know, it's every
person in your life who believes in you realizes that
they can't believe in you anymore because you like keep
fucking it up, Like you can't even show up to class,
and you can't even do the assignment right, you can't
even like do the test right. I think it is

(56:16):
deeply shameful to do poorly in class. And so to me,
I'm like, oh, yeah, that makes perfect sense. Yeah, And
I don't know, obviously it is trivial. I mean, like,
I think people genuinely do have this dream a lot.
But I think like it's also not trivial. It's like
deeply shameful to do poorly on a test.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Didn't I didn't think the dream was trivial. I just
think it's the most exciting one to talk about. Yes, oh,
it's the most because it's your most unexpected one.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, I think it's you know, I think
it fits right along with this in terms of like,
she can't like Buffy in her mind, can't do anything right.
She keeps like falling in love with vampires. She keeps
she can't do school right, she can't do vampire slang right,
she can't be a friend right.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
You know, and also be a daughter right. Like you
said that she has this deep you know, this is
the girl literally with the weight of the world on
her shoulders. She is the once in a generation, like
has to keep everything all the plates spinning at once,
plate spinning yeah, and has this deep fear of letting

(57:21):
people down. Yeah, And like, yes, she has a fear
of letting people down, and that like she will fail
as a vampire slayer and become a vampire. But then
also like you said, letting like her teachers down, letting
her mom down, she also is trying to balance being
a normal person and then also feels like she's failing
at that.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah, my Angel, They're all my angels.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
I was surprised that Angel wasn't in this episode. In
my mind he was. But maybe I'm just like comflating
two different episodes, and.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
We'd see Angel's nightmares made reality.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Well more like Angel would be a part of her nightmare.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Oh yeah, I could see that, but I don't know. No,
she's too traumatized by him being a vampire. He has
to be in time out for a while.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Yeah, well that's there. That's our our diagnoses.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Oh yeah, welcome to Welcome to our therapy, our dream
therapy classic.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Yeah, we're dream psychologists. Now, so what are some what
are some other things in this episode to talk about?
We can talk about the billy of it all. First
of all, this actor Colin I've already said it looks
like Haley Joel Osmond. And then this actor looks like
Joseph Gordon Levitt.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
I he must be someone I'm looking this up.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
I you know, he's probably not. I wouldn't be surprised
if he was, but.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
I mean, like he is. It just that he looks
so much like Joseph Gordon Levitt.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Is he does look like jo Justseic Gordon Levitt. He's
the wrong age, but he looks like him. His name
is Jeremy Foley. He is in a bunch of things
I've literally never heard of in my entire life. He
is best known for his episode of Buffy called Nightmares,
and for playing Griffin Lowe in the Nickelodeon show Caitlin's

(59:17):
Way Never Heard Of Kate, aired from two thousand to
two thousand and two.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Oh, Mike Prime, Oh okay, cool. He looks just like
jose Gordon. Love it?

Speaker 1 (59:28):
He hold the what he voiced Casper in a Casper film.
But it's not the Christina Ricci one. It's the Hillary,
the hillaryff one.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
I love that one.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
He voiced Casper. I love that Ary Casper movie. There
you go. That's who he is.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Casper in that movie.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
I've never seen that movie.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Sorry, Or in the Christina Ricci one.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
I've never seen that movie. Sorry.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
What I loved Casper as a kid?

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Interesting, But he looks like Joseic Gordon anyway, it does.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
He looks just like just moving on it. He does
a great job in this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I think he does. I do think it's like I
don't actually have a problem with this. It's just like
kookie and weird that it's like this random kid in
the town by the way is psychic and is therefore
like causing all this to happen because he is psychic,

(01:00:25):
and they kind of like handwave explain that to us
where we have this random at this random scene with
the Master and the invited one underground where the Master
is like something, there's a new powerful psychic force up
above that's feeding on people's fears, which that whole scene
with the Master I feel like is deeply unnecessary for

(01:00:51):
this episode. Oh my god, totally like gives this whole
thesis statement on fear. But then at the end of
the day, you're not the one causing it, so like
why are you so like why are you on your
soapbox about this? This doesn't concern you. This is like
fully just some random kid. It has nothing to do
with you, And yet he's given us a big bravados beach.

(01:01:11):
I don't know, I feel like they were they're trying
to keep him in our mind, like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
They were like, don't you worry He's coming back, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
He wasn't here last week, so just I wonder if
that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
They're trying to keep him in our minds. Yeah, they're
trying to like make him more prevalent.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Yeah maybe I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
No, I agree, I don't know. And also like asking
the anointed one, like what did you dream about when
you were a little boys, like Santa, I don't know,
what are your thoughts on billy billy billy, Billy billy billy. Okay,
So it's obviously very sad, but honestly, I think this actually,
Like obviously I don't think kids are going into comas

(01:01:50):
and then making psychic things happen, as far as I know,
But I do know that a lot of kids like
process bad things that are happening to them through their
dreams and like are manifesting like forces of harm in
their lives as monsters in the only way that they

(01:02:10):
know how to like rationalize it, because in their mind,
like adults can't hurt you like that, they have to
be a monster. So I think this is I think
this is obviously very sad, but also very it is

(01:02:30):
like it's the thing we've been saying every week that
we're using monsters as a way to like tell this
childhood adolescent thing that children go through. So I think
that this I like this very much. I think this
is lovely and I think you know it's it's also
never too upsetting, Like obviously this kid is being abused

(01:02:53):
by a trusted adult in his life, and that's very upsetting,
but like we never see anything to a setting as
like viewers, and like it ends fairly triumphantly with Xander
like doing a citizen's arrest on this guy. So I
think this is lovely and I think too like the

(01:03:14):
like Buffy helping this kid through what he's going through.
I just think it's really lovely. And then the kid
saying to the to the coach, like it's not my fault.
There are I don't know how many kids are on Yeah,
I don't know, there are eight other kids on that team.
It's not my fault, Like you were hurting me and

(01:03:37):
I didn't deserve it, and I thought that. I honestly,
I think it was really lovely.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Yeah, I think it's extremely well done, And obviously that's
just my opinion, but I think it's very very well done.
I agree with everything you said, and I think it's
very powerful that the way they beat the monster is
obviously like Billy has to do it himself, but it
is not like Billy has to kill the monster. It
is Billy takes off the monster's mask and reveals who's

(01:04:04):
underneath it is. You know, it's a good moral. The
way to beat these monsters in your life is to
out them as monsters, is to like get help, tell
someone about it, and have it be dealt with. It's
also one I like that when the coach shows up,

(01:04:29):
he seems very concerned, seems very nice, and it's also
so nefarious that he shows up and it's like, oh,
you know, I've just been so worried about him. I
keep checking by every day, just hoping that he will
have woken up. But no, you keep checking by every day,
terrified that he has woken up because you know that

(01:04:51):
he might blab. Exactly, I just think it's all really done.
I agree. I personally don't feel like it ever shows
us too much. I don't think ever gets upsetting. But
it is a very tragic truth that this happens. And
exactly like you said, I think it's a very kind
of tasteful way to convey this I really like it.

(01:05:13):
I do too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Yeah, I think it's extremely well done for as heavy
as a topic this is, and I think it's I
think it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well what else is there to talk about?
What are your thoughts about nightmares?

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
One of my thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
We've talked a lot, but.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
I mean, I think this episode's awesome. I also think
it's like I'm just overwhelmed with I think people talk
a big hate game on season one, and I am
so surprised at how much I love these episodes, and especially,
like you know, I even like the episodes I don't

(01:05:55):
necessarily like vibe with, I'm still like really enjoying in
this episode too, Like like you said earlier, like yeah,
it can be pretty much airlifted out, but there's so
much character development that happens here, and we learned so
much about our core group, and the balance here is
very fun and exciting, Like there's so many fun avenues

(01:06:17):
that they're going down, and I never get like too
sick of too much Xander or too much Willow, Like
it's like really balanced in a fun way. Like I
just think it's a I think this episode is awesome,
and I think these months from the Week episodes are
so lovely.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Yeah, I agree. I think it's some sid rocks. I
think it's very fun. Yeah, season one has been much
more fun than I remember. That's the other thing. Bring
back to the beginning of this podcast that Aaron was saying,
and she was talking to her husband's friends and they're
asking how far she was, and she was like, oh,
I'm this far through season one, and they both were like,
oh well, and She's like, I know that apparently, like

(01:06:55):
season one is the worst season, but I'm loving it,
so I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Know, And honestly, isn't that so awesome that it is?
This is highly regarded and unless I am like grossly
misinterpreting something, it is to myself it's highly regarded as
one of you know, it's not the best season. When
I tell people to watch, I'm like, just wait till
season two, Just wait till season two, and like things

(01:07:20):
will really fucking pick up. But then it's like I'm
sitting down watching and I'm like, how how lucky are
we that this is the worst of it and I'm
still having a great time. Like that's awesome, And that,
to me is a mark of a great television show
that like even at its worst, quote unquote, if you can,
if you think that this is the worst, Oh girl,

(01:07:41):
buckle up, this is awesome. We're having fun.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Hell yeah, hell yeah. I so agree. Some parting thoughts
on this episode, I like, I really love and I
wish they would have done it more. But it's not
a knock on the episode because I think they did enough.
I love just the flashes of random people we don't
know streams. There's like the tough guy and his mom
shows up at school and it's like, oh you little

(01:08:03):
sweetie cuty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
I love that part.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
And then there's obviously, like I said, the giant queen
ants that are attacking the town. And then one of
my favorites is when they show up to the hospital
to wake up Billy and there's just zombie patients walking
around in the background. Yeah, and there's no like line
of dialogue to even acknowledge it. And also like they're
in the background so they're kind of hard to see,

(01:08:27):
but fully just like undead patients walking around.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Also like also a side part in that is like
Giles is like, what's going on? Where are these people?
And then a doctor is like moaning about his hands.
I felt sad about that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
I was confed. Is his fear this would make sense
for a doctor, is his fear that he like will
damage his hands so he can't operate anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
I think that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
That makes sense. That makes sense. Okay, see if you
think about it, it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
It makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Shout out, well, hey, that's why the vampires slayer. And
that's not the vampire slayer. There's still more to talk about.
That's nightmares part of me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
That's the power of dreams.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
That's the power of dreams. I think. I think if
we went back and we checked the tapes, I think
I think you're moving up before the well was fun? Well,
speaking of it being fun, what was your worst part
of its?

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Part? Is my worst part?

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Spastics on the wall took mine?

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Well, we can share it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Yeah, it sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Yeah, that's my worst part is that you tell.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Me about that is my worst part. But there was
another one that I was like, so we can have
two of them. What was it? Maybe I forgot it
and then that will just be the only worst part. Oh,
it was a scene with the Master and Colin. I'm
not really up in arms about it. It doesn't really
bother me, But it was just like, what, like, why
is he monologuing about something he has nothing to do with?

(01:10:05):
It was just weird.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
I even think that it could have been powerful to
just show the Master. Yeah, I agree, Yeah, and like
show that the nightmares are so are are going so
crazy that it's fucking with the rules of the Master.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
You know. I wonder if they were like trying to
trick us, because he's talking about like, oh, the power
of fear and it can control people, and so they're
trying to trick us into being like a demon. Something
evil is causing these fears. Sure, but also I assumed
that anyway. I didn't need the Master to say that. No,
anytime a.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Buffy the Vampire Slayer, I assume it's demons exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Anytime something weird happens, my first assumption is demon. My
first assumption is never innocent, little psychic boy. No, you
already have me fooled. All right, that's your best part.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
You already have me fooled. My best part. God, my god.
I hesitated to say this because I hate to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Watch it saying exactly what I'm going to say.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
I'm the part with Buffy's dad. It is so powerful.
And sad and upsetting, and I think speaks to a
fear that I think any kid would have about their parent,
and especially like you know, parent kids of divorced parents,
like the fear that you are actively making your parents

(01:11:30):
or like someone in your life's life worse just by
being around. And to watch Sarah Michelle Geller react to that,
Jesus Christ, it is so deeply upsetting but very very,
very powerful and really lovely. What's your best part?

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
That's the best part. I'm not going to even give
a second one. I think that's the best scene in
the episode. She's acting down. But then also, yeah, oh no,
can you hear me, girl, do not kick me off
this call? Do not answer this called strek Smith. We're back, Okay,
We're good. Also do Dismith movie. I love that movie too,

(01:12:18):
the things he says to her. It gives us such
a clear look into how Buffy views herself and what
she is afraid of. Like, this is a girl who
we as an audience see she is trying so hard,
she has the weight of her world on her shoulders,
and yet he tells her, you're just so self centered.

(01:12:42):
And to see like in Buffy's eyes when she takes
a night to go on a first date with Owen.
She does feel like she's being self centered. She does
feel like she's being self involved when she does something
like that, like any time that she is taking a
moment to be a human. We're to a third party,
it's like, yeah, of course, you're being worked to the bone.

(01:13:04):
She feels so much guilt and just feels like she
is awful. I just tells us a lot about her everything,
he says. They're both giving great performances. Fantastic scene. Hey,
that's nightmares. Everyone. You ever heard of them?

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
You ever heard of them? You ever had one?

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
You ever had one? If you have thoughts on this
episode or about Buffy as a whole, you can send
them to us at Recovering Gleek at gmail dot com.
Ever heard of it? Ever heard of it? And if
we have an email to read, I'll put it in here.
Bop boop.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Let's kick things off, shall we with? How about as me?

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
All right asme? Says hi En and Lena. When you
guys announced that you would be covering Buffy the Vampire Slayer,
I knew I would keep listening because you guys are
just so delightful I'm really bad at starting new TV
shows for some reason, so it took me a while
to get started on this one. But I've been really
enjoying it, so I love how distinct the three main
characters are. Buffy is my hero. I think Xander's pretty

(01:14:05):
cool all things considered, and if I knew Will in
high school, we probably would have dated. So thanks for
forcing me into it. Regarding the episode puppet Master, I'm
with Leana on this one. I totally thought the puppet
was gaslighting us. He was backed into a corner. Of
course he was gonna say he's a demon slayer when
he's actually the demon duh. So don't be embarrassed, Lena.

(01:14:25):
They can't pull the wool over our eyes. We'll get
him next time. However, I do think it's a symptom
of my puppet hatred. Why does every Ventilco's puppet have
to be sexual? It's gross. My final thought, what the
hell is a B movie? You say it so often
and I truly have no clue what you're talking about.
Keep slaying as me. I'll kick things off by explaining

(01:14:48):
what a bee movie is. So back in the day,
back in the golden age of Hollywood. They used to
do a lot of double features where you would go
and you would see two more and one was the
A movie and one was the B movie. And the
A movie was the big attraction that you were going
to see that had the big movie stars in it,
that had a big budget, and the B movie was

(01:15:12):
a movie that was tacked on that didn't have very
famous people, had a much smaller budget, didn't have complicated sets,
did not have complicated costumes. So B movie just came
became synonymous with like schlocky, campier films that did not
have the budget or star powers to beat these grand epics.

(01:15:33):
So a lot of your like Creature of the Black
Lagoon or like cat Ladies from Mars, like a lot
of those like weirdo sci fi movies were B movies.
The original Little Shop of Horrors was a B movie.
It was a movie that they filmed because they weren't
going to tear down that set for three more days.

(01:15:53):
They had built a set for another film and then
they were like, okay, well you have three days before
we tear it down. Do you want to make a
movie movie? And they were like shores. They wrote the
script of Little Shop to take place in that set
and the whole thing. Yeah yeah, so a lot of
like creature feature can't be sci fi monster movies were

(01:16:15):
B movies or the cheaper, you know, less prestige films.
Fun fact about the Jerry Seinfeld feature B movie about
bees is the entire reason that movie exists is Jerry
Seinfeld one time said to someone as a joke, he
was like, wouldn't it be funny to make a movie

(01:16:36):
called B movie? But it was actually about bees? And
the person said, Okay, yeah, I'll write the check you
make that movie. So that entire that entire movie was
creative based off that one pun.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Amazing and that's what is thank you for that little
history lesson. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
It's like how it's like how albums would have side. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Also, as may I have to say thank you so much.
You and a few other people reached out. We've got
comments that on like our TikTok where I said where
I said this, and I felt I have to tell
you guys. I felt so silly at the time, and
then hearing from all of you that you also run
the same thought process as me, I'm like, okay, so
it's not just me. There's a flaw in the system here,

(01:17:27):
and puppets are just that creepy. They can't be good guys.
So thank you for reaching out and letting us know.
I really genuinely appreciate it, and I felt a lot better. Yeah,
I felt a lot better. And I'm so glad to
hear that you're enjoying the show. I totally get like
starting a new show is always daunting and weird, and
I'm glad you're enjoying it. Esny, thank you so much

(01:17:50):
for this message. I genuinely appreciate it, and thanks. I'm
glad you're enjoying the show. Up next, we've got a
message from Ryan.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Hey, guys about your conversation regards Angel's age. It is
of my personal opinion that Angel's age being twenty six
at the time of death is a retcon. And here's
why they never once bring up Angel's human age ever
in Buffy. So to an unknowing viewer, he could very
well be eighteen years old. Yes, they make mention of

(01:18:18):
him being older, and Buffy lies that he's in college,
but at this point in the show, I do not
believe he's twenty six. Then he gets his own spinoff show,
which is much more directed to adult audiences. The show
has almost entirely adult characters, the living fully grown adult lives.
Angel as a character needed to be aged up to
fit the subject matter. This and David boyanis was aging two.

(01:18:42):
It is only on Angel where we see a flashby
to his funeral which dates him as twenty six years old. That,
to me is the writer shrugging and saying, well, we've
made it clear already that Angel is an adult, so
I guess we're rolling with it, when up until that
point it was unset. Buffy is a fantas plastic show
with deep lore in world building, but there are plenty

(01:19:03):
of inconsistencies. Even Buffy's age and birthday changes on various
forms of ID Love you guys, and love how much
You're enjoying this new podcast, Ryan, he him from Canada in.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
That is something I believe. Even in season one, Buffy's
year of birth changes from like nineteen eighty to nineteen
eighty one in different points of the show. Yeah, and Ryan,
I think you are correct. I think likely we are
supposed to believe that Angel is closer to Buffy's I mean, regardless,

(01:19:38):
he's still like two hundred and eighty years old, you guys. Yeah,
I don't care if he died at eighteen. He then
lived two hundred and like sixty more years after that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
So frankly, I'm not losing a lot of sleep over
whether he was eighteen or twenty six, because he still
is centuries and centuries older.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
I think your thought process, though, Ryan, makes a lot
of sense, and I can dig that. I can do
that for sure, da before Annis though he's not eighteen.

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Thank you for all your sport genuinely. Okay, back to
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Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
You killed it. My internet connection is getting worse for
some reason. This is my nightmare made reality, so we
should probably wrap this thing up. Love you all, Thanks
for being here. Tune in next week for out of sight,
out of mind, out of mind, out of site. I
think it's out of mind, out a side, it's the
other way around. Hell yeah, we'll see you next time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Thank you all for being here. Thank you to our patrons.
Thanks uh thanks for being here. Love you, guys, here
is a here's a kiss on your forehead if you
accept it. I was gonna say I couldn't remember if
I did like a Buffy specific thing, but I don't
think I do. So if you want it, here it is.
If you don't, fine, it's fine. You don't have to.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
Very good bye, bye bye. Thank you for listening. Follow
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Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
I gotta get to watching Love us Island, not Love
is Blind. Starts fourteen minutes ago.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
How is it?

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
It is the best. I thought I couldn't do it,
and now I'm actually obsessed.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
This was me at gays Camp all weekend. Anyone watching
Love isolin end?

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Anyone