BtVS S1E12 Prophecy Girl

When your crush doesn't like you back it can really feel like the end of the world. Especially when it coincides with the Vampire King gaining the ability to walk above ground, a Lovecraftian monster bursting through the floor of your school, and a prophecy foretelling your death.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
God, I'm scared to talk about this episode.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Part of the reason that I went on a run
this morning, something I never do, is because I was like,
I need to be awake and alert if I'm gonna
be talking about motherfucking Prophecy girl today. No, seriously, I
need to do it justice.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
I need to do some like flensing breaths.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I consider the opposite. I was like, do I need
to yell? You know? Because sometimes, Oh, I feel like
we're very good friends. I feel like we're very good friends.
We are very good friends, and I feel like because
of that, sometimes mentally, I'm like, we're just sitting in
our living room, it's just the two of us talking.
And then I listened back to the episode and my
vibe is like, so I liked how this episode did this.

(00:49):
And I'm like, and there's literally like an audience, Like
people are listening. You need to be a little more
hyped up.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
So I was.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
I literally was like, before we start recording, I need
to be like and just kind of up, get my
heart pumped, and get my Honestly, that made my heart welcome.
Recovering Gleek presents.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
A clear Buffy podcast. Hi everyone, my name is Lena
and I'm Ian and welcome to say a Queer Buffy podcast. Wow,
genuinely so happy to have you. That was season one?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Oh my god, that was That was season one. A quick,
A nice short, quick, three month season one.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Honestly, it kind of gave me. It kind of gave
me anxiety because I was like, oh my god, I
already done with season one. It's gonna be done so soon,
Like we've barely begun.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I like, yeah, but every other is twice as long.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
But listen, I'm what I said still stands. I can't
believe we're already done. Oh no, I agree, it is
gonna go by so quick. Though, I was.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Pumped because, as I've mentioned, when I like think of Buffy,
everything I think of is season two onward. So yeah,
genuinely season one. I've been like, girl, I really misjudged you.
You rock and you're so fun and cool. But I'm
also sucked in on my mind to start talking about

(02:37):
season two. I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I genuinely like watching the episode last night. I feel
like I watch Prophecy Girl personally quite frequently. It's one
of my like go to to like revisit.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I just well, you got the Prophecy Girl funko pop.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Oh, Hello, there she is.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Hey. I see the other jacket, I see the dress.
I see the crossbow. You see I see the high pony.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
You see her three Honestly, this is her three ear rings.
This is beautiful. I got this from from the podcast
mikeel she gave this God bless. Prophecy Girls is very
special to me. I got the phone pop to prove it.
I but I swear to God, I find something new
every time, you know, Like even last night, I was

(03:22):
like filled with emotion, Like it's like the like it's
like the first time all over. Guys. This episode is Oh,
it's a classic one.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
It's a classic part. Yeah, this is the episode that
famously I texted you during and then you thought I
was drunk because I was so overcome with how good
the show was that I at like three in the
morning texted Lena and said, sincerely, Buffy might be the
greatest show ever made. And then, oh, how the tables turn?

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Last night at three in the morning time, Lena texted
me and said, this is the best TV show ever.
That's and that's the Prophecy Girl effect. And then this
morning you asked, were you drunk class exactly, And.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
What did I say? I said, yes, but I wasn't
just for funniness.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Oh no, this episode, for real is incredible. I so agree.
And this is one that, like, I don't know what
was wrong with me. I don't remember super standing out
to me as a teen. Oh okay, and then we're
watching it as an adult. I said, wait, wait, wait, wait, no,
this episode rules and is incredible.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
No, it's a coolel S girl in school.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's really really good.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Do you want to tell us you want to?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
You want to?

Speaker 2 (04:41):
I want to hear some before we can really get
into the weeds of it.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Oh yeah, it's time.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Alrighty, So obviously we are talking about we're talking about
Prophecy Girl. It's the twelfth and final episode of the
first season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It was both
written and directed by show creator Joss Whedon, which, honestly,
I can tell I feel like this episode I can't
you know, nothing is I couldn't find anything online about

(05:10):
like the budget, but MoMA, the budget of this episode,
I can tell. I was like, the camera quality is better, Like,
you know, I can tell that every shot is really
set up on purpose, so like, you know, the creator
coming in and like pulling out all the stops. I
feel like this makes sense to me, like from what
I'm seeing in the episode.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Also, watching this episode, I very much got the feeling of, oh,
this is what he wanted the movie to be.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Oh my god, this.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
This episode is so equal parts very high drama, just
surprisingly dark, and then also like moments of complete stupidity.
But I was like, oh, this is him like achieving
his dream of making the movie that got taken.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Oh yeah, no, totally. I mean it's also the first
time he's directed on the show. He's written a lot, yeah,
he's written for a lot for the show, but this
is the first time he directed. So I can tell
they're pulling out all the stops and this is kind
of like wish fulfillment for what he had going on.
So that's awesome. So a calendar in giles office, Oh wait,

(06:15):
I didn't tell you when it came out. Okay, I'm
just so excited. But it was originally broadcasted June second,
nineteen ninety seven. A calendar in Giles's office office indicates
that it it's actually June in nineteen ninety seven. So
how awesome is that they were like they had the
they had the I don't know, they knew when it

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was going to come out, So that's awesome. I love
when that's when stuff like that happens.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Another calendar in Giles's office indicates that the end is
pretty seriously nigh, and that calendar is Jenny Calendar. Puns continue.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
I love that. Oh my god, keep them coming.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Well, I'll do my The.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Huge demon that comes up in the in the library
at Audrey Audrey to exactly at the end of the episode.
It was created by shout out to them, you know them,
you love them, the homies that optic nerve, We love
them very much. The budget didn't allow for computer generated effect,
so the tentacles were costumes and each one had a

(07:24):
person in it manipulating the dentacle. And I, oh my god,
I like that is the funnest honestly, more of that,
more of that. It was so odd.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
I agree, because it's so silly to me that they
were like, oh, we didn't have money for CGI, so
we had to go the the cheap man route and
do a puppet. Because immediately after watching this episode, I
went and watched The Gift this season.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Oh my god, the Gift. That's so funny.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
In the Gift, they did have the budget for CGI,
And I will say, right here, right now, Audrey two
and Prophecy Girl looks better than this e g. I
and the Gift. They should have just stuck with puppetry.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, and the Gift, Like I love the puppetry.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, the CGI in the Gift, like I honestly don't care,
Like it doesn't take me out of that. Oh but
it's just like I'm annoyed that Hollywood is so all
in on CGI because I think practical is so much
more fun and age is so much better.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
I agree, and like it also just like adds to
the B movie quality of what they are going for,
So I really I also think it's oh my god,
it's so beautiful. And to know that there's like a
person in each of.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Them just around best used car blow up doll.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Oh my god. I love that, Like it makes me
so happy and I totally get. I mean, like think
about when this show was coming out, like CGI was
in like computer like even animation was like all the rage,
and I mean it still is. It Like has really
swung that direction. So, but I love a puppet. Oh

(08:58):
my god, I love a puppet.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Sorry, throw me in jail. I love a puppet.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Throw me, arrest me, call me Morgan.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
From the Puppet Show. I love a puppet.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Literally, rest in peace, King. Okay. So Sarah Michelle Geller
got to keep Buffy's prom dress.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Oh hell yeah?

Speaker 1 (09:16):
And then she wore it for Halloween. No, no, no,
not at all. What am I saying? Not Halloween. I'm
literally looking at the date right now. I don't know
why I said that. Okay. On May seventh, twenty twenty,
she posted a picture of herself famous Sha. She puts
a picture for herself wearing it on social media along
with a leather with a leather jacket on top, and

(09:38):
the caption was all dressed up and nowhere to go.
I say we party, like she says in the episode,
and the hashtags safe at home, hashtag prophecy girl a
fun trope that is employed in this episode the first
time we see it, and we're going to keep seeing it,
so let's keep calling them out. We have our first
heroes walk of the Buffy Verse and the Angel Verse,
and you know when Buffy and Angel and Xander are

(10:02):
like flanked behind her and she's walking and they do that.
No no no no no no no no no no
no no. That's called heroes walk. And oh my god,
I get I'm literal. I have chills talking about it.
Right now. You can't see it, but I do. Let
me tell you about alternative titles. Okay. So most of
them are Prophecy Girl, the Girl of the Prophecy, the
Prophecy Girl, fake Girl, stuff like that, the Girl of

(10:25):
the Prophecy, just you know, iterations of that exactly to
Prophecy two Girl. The German one is the end of
the World, okay, sure what. There's also Finish its Prediction okay,
which kind of fun. And then my favorite one actually

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was the French name and it's called the Manuscript, which
shout out to Taylor Swift. No seriously, like you know,
like that they're following this like script, which I thought.
I thought that was fun too. Anyway, kind of update
on our kill count, update on our killt Okay, So
we have an unidentified vampire at the beginning of the

(11:08):
episode when Buffy gets knocked on her ass and then
she stakes him, and then we have two other unidentified
vampires dusted by Buffy that she only mentions.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
So if we don't see a body, are recounting it.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
I mean, that's just what Buffy Wicki was doing. But then, hey,
I mean, does a cockroach have a soul?

Speaker 2 (11:33):
I'm not kind of thugs, I think.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Okay, no counting rights. Okay, then let's take him out.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, I think I think we need to either see
the death or at least see the body, like I
would count the a v kids that get killed off
screen because we see their dead bodies.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Okay, yes, so then let's take those two away. We're
just at one when unidentified vampire Kevin, two boys, two
girls from the avy from the Avy room, and then Buffy,
she is including the kill count. I'll hear nothing of
it because she she gets bitten and then she drowns. Yeah, no,

(12:05):
she dies exactly, So Buffy is included. And then Angel
stakes a vampire, and then the Master is staked on
All is staked by a large shard of wood on
a broken table, pushed by Buffy. Okay, so that's that.
So that is one. Nine perfect. Thank god you were counting,

(12:26):
because I couldn't have done it. Okay, nine, And what
we were like at thirty last week.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, let me check. We are at thirty nine. No,
we're at thirty four. Part of me. Well, so that
brings us up to forty three.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Forty three Okay, we got.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Nine from this one. No one dies but shall Hey.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, I think we haven't had a death in a minute,
which is that's nice shadow is to sunny del.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
So yeah, a few good weeks.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Forty three kills in season one, yeah, kind of huge.
So now the kill count resets and we can add
that at the Do you think we can reset the
kill count and then add that on to the season
one or should we just go from forty three? We do?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
I think we find out what season has the most deaths.
I think is what's fun. So I think we do
a master kill count and then by season kill count,
so it'll be like, Okay, so so far in season
two it's been this many deaths, and so far the
whole show has been this many deaths.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Okay, sick. Yeah, well those are your slacked You're slacked
for Prophecy girl, and also a slacked for you? Is
I love this episode?

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Hell yeah? All right, I gotta recap. That's long because
a lot of shit happens in this episode. Okay, I'm ready,
so buckle Ah all right. Previously on Buffy the vampires Layer,
the end is pretty seriously nigh. As Springfling approaches, so
does the apocalypse, with earthquakes, boiling lakes, and water turning

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to blood. Xander confesses his feelings for Buffy and asks
her to the dance, and she turns him down. He
then tries to rebound with Willow and is rejected again.
Buffy overhears Giles an anger and anger. Buffy overhears Giles
and Angel discussing a prophecy that says tomorrow night, the

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Slayer will face the Master and she will die. Buffy
grapples with her life being taken from her, destined to
die at sixteen, and decides to blow off her slayer
duties and go to the dance instead, but ultimately can't
turn her back when Willow's friends are killed. Despite giles protests,
Buffy confronts the Master in his layer and he drinks

(14:50):
her blood, giving him the power to walk above ground
and knocking her unconscious and drowning her in the process.
Xander and Angel, who have teamed up to try and
stop Buffy from walking into her death, find her body
and Xander gives her CPR, bringing her back from the dead. Giles, Willow,
miss Calendar, and surprise Ally, Cordelia Chase fight off vampires

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and demons in the library, while Buffy has a final
confrontation with the Master on the roof. More powerful now
that she has died and come back, she pushes him
through the skylight onto a sharp piece of wooded debris,
killing him. The Master is gone, the day is saved,
and our scoobies head to the dance to celebrate.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, oh my god, I'm so excited. I rewatched season
one and was like posting about it a few months ago,
and I posted the clips of Buffy saying like I

(15:54):
flunk the writin and you fruit punch mouth on my
story and in front of the podcast Lucas wiped up
and was like, I can't get behind any season one
hate because if we didn't have season one, we couldn't
have had a prophecy girl, and Prophecy Girl is the
crux of the television show. And I so agree, Like,
this episode is, oh my god, it's so special to me.

(16:18):
I can't even deal this girl who is working so
fucking hard. Every single night is like killing three vamps
a night, being knocked on her ass. Can't have fun,
can't you know, go make out with boys and cars?
Like is so dedicated, even though she like by all

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means like hates doing this, like it is not the
thing she would have chosen to do. And then no
matter what, it's written somewhere in a fucking book that
she has to die, and it's like it's not fucking fair.
She doesn't want to do that. She barely she doesn't
want to be, like she barely wants to be a slayer,

(17:01):
like and then it just has to happen because they
said so like and her coming to terms with all
of that, Oh my god, it makes me sick. It
makes me sick. It's just it's so special to me,
Like her walking in on Angel and Giles like discussing

(17:22):
her fate and obviously they're they're upset, and they're like,
you know, Buffy's not included in this conversation. They're just
trying to fix it, and like she's like, Giles, I'm
just sixteen. I don't want to die my whole like
I'm supposed to have my whole life ahead of me,
Like why what if I don't want this and it's

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like it's just out of her control. Oh my god.
It makes me sick every time. And then her facing
her fate, becoming stronger for it, and then saving the day,
Oh my god. And then also like the sadness that
Buffy feels at the end of it, where it's like
she's had a really tough day. She's like literally crying
and she's apologizing to her friend. She's like, sorry, I've

(18:07):
had a tough day, I guess, like, and then like
calling the master a loser and then going to the
dance anyway, I just think, like the emotional rollercoaster this
girl goes on. I Oh my fucking god. It is
one of my favorite episodes of television period period. It
is like, oh my god, it's so special to me.

(18:29):
I love it so much, and it's so funny and
so sad. I love it. Okay, what do you love
about it? Do you hate this episode?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
I do funny? This episode is absolutely spectacular. I agree
with him that this episode kind of has it's the
cooks of the TV show. It's kind of everything that
makes the TV show what it is. Buffy is a badass.

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Buffy has superpowers, and isn't that so cool that at
the end of the day, isn't that awful? And isn't
it terrible that she has all this responsibility and it's
something that she is forced to do that she has
not been asked to do, and she could ultimately turn
her back on it and just live her own life.

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But at the end of the day, she's too good
a person for that, and as angry as she is
and as unfair as it is that her life has
been taken from her, she cannot turn her back when
she knows that she could help this situation and without her,
people are going to die. I just think that's like
that struggle is the core of Buffy's character of I

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am a victim in this situation. I have all this
responsibility that I don't want, that I never asked for,
and yet no one else, not only like, no one
else will be with to like no one else is
capable of doing this, and so if I don't do it,
it won't get done, and I have to do it.
And then it has very stupid moments, very dramatic moments.

(20:12):
We go straight from this massive earthquake that is for
telling the Apocalypse to come into the Master, turning to
the Annointing One and going, so, what do you think
about the five point one? Like it balances that like
very high drama into stupidity that it has in my

(20:32):
heart of heart's belief, our first real formation of the
Scoobies is in this episode. I think that scene in
the library, that is Giles, Willow, Xander, Cordelia, Jenny Callender,
and Angel all fighting together is the first time that
we actually have a Scooby gang and not just like
Buffy and a few of her friends and like these

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people kind of being sucked in from different walks of life,
all banded together by a desire to like fight for
the common good. You know, missus Calendar before miss miss Calendar,
Jenny Calendar prior to this episode didn't even know Buffy
was the Slayer single. She's single, but Miss Calendar prior
to this episode didn't even know Buffy was the Slayer.

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She just like exactly comes into it being like, hey,
I've noticed that a kid was born with his eyeballs backwards.
The end is pretty seriously nigh. And then Cordelia just
sitting in her car mourning the death of her boyfriend
and then seeing a bunch of vampires and seeing her
like kind of friend, kind of rival, and one of

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her teachers running and in that moment having a spirit
of heroism and being like, I'm gonna go help them.
That's one of my favorite moments in all of season
one is Cordelia chase of all people rolling up in
a car saying get in, and then driving through.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
The world get to the library. She's like, oh, like that,
just that too fast, too furious realness.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
It's awesome that I agree with Lucas. We have the
crux of Buffy's dilemma. We have these moments of great
hero heroism, we have these moments of stupidity. We have
a bunch of different kinds that we got our breakfast
club of heroes, people that like would never interact otherwise,
all banding together because they are all trauma bonded over

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what's going on. It's a near perfect episode of television.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
It's frankly watching it on its own versus watching it
with eleven episodes prior of character development, seeing how these
relationships have played have played out, Seeing like Cordelia just
this last episode, like kind of being a little interested

(22:50):
maybe in hanging out with Buffy and the gang, like
and coming to save the day, but also seeing like
her relationship with her friends and how like taken from
her in this episode, and like you know anyway, and
then also like Xander the entire season being obsessed with
Buffy like wants her bad, down bad, crying at the

(23:12):
gym for her, and then her rejecting him, and then
him still being like, well, I still have to go
safe for us. I care about her so deeply. He
brings her back to life, shout out to me, and
I'll give him his flowers. Teams up with CPR Good,
teams up with Angel his.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Like his number one up exactly like the man he
hates more than anyone else, because he's like, I know
you're the only fucking person who can help me find
where she is. I love it like someone who hates
corny shit. I love the moment when he is talking
to Angel and says to him like, I hate you.
I pretty much think you're a vampire, but Buffy seems

(23:55):
to think that you're human, and I need you to
prove that to me right now, And then Angel goes,
you're in love with her, aren't you, And Then's response
is aren't you like that exchange?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
I was like, it is good.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
It is good.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Dum oh my god, it like makes me fucking sweat.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
I love it, Oh my god, And like I love
that part's so fucking much, and like, and that's okay.
So Buffy Xander not a ship I get behind, even
like Angel Buffy, it's not a ship I majorly get behind.
But like Xander putting away his like ego for the
moment and being like, no, I actually care about her

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so much that I'm going to team up with my
main up and put my ego to the side. I've
been kind of an egotistic maniac and maniac the entire season,
but like humbling himself and being like, okay, no, the
common the greater good. And also this girl I care
so deep. I was like, oh, okay, I love I
thought like that progression was so really beautiful.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
It's a very good Xander episode because also I love
I love first and foremost that he confesses his feelings
for Buffy and she straight up says no, there's no
maybe about it. She's like, I do not feel the
same way. I'm sorry. And also something that is so
good about Buffy. That will get into more as we

(25:27):
talk about it is they're not afraid. They're not gonna
drag anything out. They're not going to do it. Will
they won't they? They are just straight up Yeah, it's dead.
It's in the ground. Buffy is not interested in Xander.
Will he move on, we don't know, but like on
Buffy's side, it is dead and in the ground. And
then for him to, you know, we see at the

(25:48):
beginning of this episode he's practicing on Willow how he
should confess his feelings to Buffy, and Willow is enjoying
it so much because she's imagining that he is confessing
his feelings to her her. And for him to then
talk to Willow about how angry he is that Buffy
doesn't want to go to the dance with him and
doesn't feel the same way, and then he's like, oh,

(26:10):
I know, why don't you and I just go together
and we like have a good time as friends. And
for Willow to say no, do you think I want
to go to the dance and watch you wish you
were her the entire time? Do you think you were
with her? Part of me? Do you think that's my
idea of hijinks like I And this is why I
like Xander as a character is not because I think

(26:32):
he's like the best dude ever. I think that we
are telling interesting stories with Xander. I think he's a
fifteen year old boy, and he comes across as a
fifteen year old boy. And that moment of he has
been so obsessed with his crush on Buffy that he
has completely been oblivious to how like inconsiderate he has

(26:54):
been to Willow and then for Willow for the first
time ever, like very quiet, very kind of pushover in
girl to say no, I'm not gonna be your choice.
I'm not gonna be your consolation prize because the girl
you have a crush on doesn't want to go with you.
I think that is so powerful. It is such a
fantastic moment for Willow. And I think that Xander plot

(27:15):
is very interesting. It's very interesting. It is and especially
like Willow would love to go to the dance with Xander,
she would have to, but she has too much self
respect to go as his backup plan. Fantastic continue I interrupted.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
You, Oh no, I love it. Oh my god. And
it's also like, you know, the people know Xander not
my king, not my jam but like him being rejected
by Buffy and him taking it so poorly of course
I don't love, but then him putting those feelings aside

(27:53):
I think is really lovely. Like we all of us
in our lives will face rejection and like some of
us like maybe we'll take it poorly, but it's also
like you still have to like respect your fucking friends.
Like I love that. I think it's a great Xander episode,
and I mean it makes sense. It was written by
Joss Whedon. He's literally the self insert, so he's been there.

(28:17):
Nice guys, you know, nice.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Guy always finished, don't get the girl.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
They always like want to fucking date vampires for some
fucking reasons.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Oh that's like, that's that pisses me up so bad, because,
as I said, I think so many Xander plot lines
are compelling. Yeah, but like the ultimate Xamader trump card
is he's Joss Whedon's self insert and I'm like, and
I frankly I have no case against that. Like that sucks,

(28:44):
and it makes so much of the Xander stuff suck
in retrospect because it's just Josh like patting himself on
the back and being like, no, one really got that.
I was actually like a great nice guy, and.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
It's like you look ridiculous, like like you're not making
yourself look good at these moments. What's happening? Oh my god?
Oh well, yeah, all that being said great Xandra.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, And that's another reason that, like Lucas said, this
episode is the crux of Buffy is the apocalypse is happening.
It's the end of the world, and yet.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
It's very seriously nice.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
And yet also we are going to talk about these
three teenagers and their crushes on each other and how
that affects them emotionally. Like both things are happening at
the same time and are both extremely important, and I
love that.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
They're both extremely important. It's so funny too, Like we
have Jenny who is like the main driving force of
the apocalypse plot right, Like she is like telling us
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
The end is pretty seriously, pretty seriously.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
N that line stitching on a pillow.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
I love that line is Buffy the vampires Layer, Like,
I obsessed with that line. It's so good.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Oh my, it is so good. Oh. But Jenny is
the driving force of like even like she can't get
Giles to even like focus on what she's saying, because
Giles is so distraught about what this means for Buffy. Like,
Buffy his daughter. This is no if sands are butts

(30:20):
about it. That's his daughter, that's his kids, Like they
have a relationship of a father and child like and
Jenny is like, okay, but a kid was born with
his eyes facing backwards, Like the end is pretty seriously nigh,
and like he can't focus on all the outside parts
because what does this mean for Buffy? Oh my god,

(30:42):
it makes me sick. But anyway, but both of those
are treated with like equal like weight and gravity, which
is just so interesting and fun and it's just like
it to watch. This episode is so scary, like it
is pretty seriously nice. I love it. I do think

(31:03):
this episode.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
I would say, you know, like puppets are creepy. I respect, yes,
but like I would say, this episode is the first
actual the Avy Club. Willow and Cordelia stumbling on the
av Club I think is the first like genuine horror
move moment of this TV show especially, And I love

(31:28):
I love this is my favorite. My favorite storytelling device
is dramatic irony. I love dramatic irony. I love knowing
something that characters don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Mm hmmm, and oh my god.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, Cordelia and Willow standing outside that door, with Cordelia
talking about how she has such strong feelings for Kevin
that she's not even annoyed by him and isn't that annoying?
While we are looking at Kevin's dead body and she's like, oh,
it's so cute. They're watching cartoons and there's a bloody
hamprint on the TV. It's so well done. It's so creepy.

(32:01):
I think it is, like you said, pretty seriously spooky.
I think this is like Riyah, the first genuine horror
move moment of the TV show. And it's good. It's
very good.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
And like also for that to have happened and then
Willow to be so affected by it and not be
the thing kind of like the pilot, like Willow getting
involved Buffy's feelings for Willow kind of being the thing
that push her to accepting her calling. Oh my god it,

(32:31):
Oh my god. Like the moment of Willow sitting on
her bed and Buffy comforting her and being like, no, this,
I can't let any more kids go through this. I
can't see Willow feel this upset and it's not even
a question anymore, like, of course it's difficult, and of

(32:53):
course she's literally going to she's like marching to her
death essentially, but she is such a hero that she
sees this pain and she's like done.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah. I don't think any other teen TV show does
characterization as strong as Buffy does. Other teen TV shows
can have like really exciting plots, but Buffy will give
you an exciting plot and then also gives you all

(33:26):
of these like very human yeah, kind of like non
secuit or moments that are just letting you really see
who these characters are. And I love in that scene
Willa was talking about that she just found a bunch
of her friends dead. Yeah, and clearly the vampires were

(33:48):
having a good time, like having a party killing them,
and she's very shook and she's very traumatized. I love
a that no one knows about the prophecy except for Buffy.
Giles and Angel Willow does not know about the prophecy,
and so Willow says, like, what are we gonna do
about this? And Buffy says, what we have to And

(34:09):
in that moment, we as the audience, know she's about
she's accepted the fact that she's going to die and
Willow does not know that, and she's not going to
tell Willow because Willow has been through enough. And then
as she's leaving, after Willow has just like expressed all
of these feelings about seeing these people dead and how
traumatic it was, Willow goes Buffy, I like your dress.

(34:31):
And that is Willow Rosenberg to me. Yeah, her going
through such a hard time, being so shaken, really needing
a fred or really needing in a listening ear, and
then after they've listened to her being like and also,
I like your dress. Also, here's a little compliment about you.
This episode has a very exciting plot, but what really

(34:56):
sticks with me about this episode is Buffy's journey of
hearing the prophecy to accepting the prophecy. And yes, that
is part of the plot, but it could very easily
be kind of glazed over and they really She has
that monologue in the library when she overhears Giles and Angel,

(35:21):
and then her very next scene of her and Joyce
with her being so sad and Joyce her being so
sad because she found out she's about to die, and
Joyce assuming that it's because the boy she has a
crush on didn't ask her to the dance, And those
two scenes don't really move the plot forward at all. No,

(35:43):
and they are to me, by and large, the most
compelling part of the episode. I think they are perfect scenes.
I think Sarah Michelle Geller is acting her ass off.
I think the dialogue is fantastic. I like, I literally
could break down in tears over the Joyce and Buffy scene.
It is so tender, it is so sad. Joyce assuming

(36:09):
saying to Buffy, did no one ask you to the dance?
And Buffy saying, well, someone did, but and then's going
but not the right someone, and Buffy says yes and
just going see sometimes I actually do know what you're thinking.
And there's something so tragic about that, because no, you don't.
And that I think is a moment of Buffy realizing

(36:31):
I can never talk to my mom about this. She's
never going to understand. And then to go into like
Joyce spent this money they don't have on a dress
because she really wanted Buffy to go to the dance,
and then telling Buffy you know, Buffy says, I can't
go to the dance, and Joyce saying says, who Is
it written somewhere you should do what you want?

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Her saying that I, oh my God, steaks me in
the heart.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
It's so sad, it's so bitter sweet. And also that
is the moment in my eyes when Buffy decides, truly decides,
fuck this, I'm not going to find the master. I'm
going to get dressed up for the spring Flame and
I'm going to the dance. Is it written somewhere exactly?
I don't care that it's written somewhere that I'm going
to find fight the master. I'm going to do what
I want. I'm going to go to the dance.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
The way she is like begging her mom to go
out of town with tears in her eyes, like begging,
like let's just leave, let's go. And then there's also
like this sweet innocence to it as well, like Joyce
telling her the story of how she met her dad,
and like how like you like Joyce is like seeing

(37:42):
Buffy at the precipice of her life, so she thinks
and like Buffy knowing that that's not.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
True, like it's all over now.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Oh, it's devastating, And also like to like I cannot
even imagine the feeling of knowing you were at the end,
and also like having to like save face with your
mom like this because you know she can't handle it.
Oh my god, Buffy, like she's carrying the weight of
the world on her shoulders. She's just sixteen. She is
just sixteen. She doesn't want to die. And to go

(38:13):
back to this the library scene. I love that scene
so much, how it starts with her laughing, and how
that piece of information. Giles has been acting weird, all
fucking weak to her, like hasn't been around. She's been
like kicking ass, like crazy, things are being like things

(38:33):
are Oh my god, sits on a fellow. That's awesome anyway.
But Giles is like like evading her. He is like
not talking to her, and he's being super weird. And
then finally her a seeing angel for the first time

(38:55):
in weeks, hasn't seen this guy. They've been Giles has
been keeping him a fucking secret from her, seeing them
together and then having them discuss and of course these
two men care deeply about her. They care about her
so much. And I don't say this to say that
they're like talking about it flippantly, because they're definitely not.
But they're also like talking about her life without her there.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Not giving her any autonomy in the.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Situation exactly because they're like, we have to fix it,
we have to fix it, we have to fix it.
And also like not telling her and keeping it from
her like it's gonna help her in the end, and
actually this seeing them do that is so painful and
hurtful to her, Like she is a plot device and
not a girl with Hope's dreams, loves, you know, an

(39:43):
entire fully realized life. She is just in a fucking
book somewhere and it's fucking written that she has to
die and they are just talking about it like that,
like and then taking that information in and it being
so fucking absurd to her, she just starts to laugh.
She's like are you are you act? Like what the fuck?

(40:06):
And then that turning into like furious screaming and crying
and throwing books at walls and like getting in Trial's
face and being like are you fucking I bet you're
safe here behind your fucking books and avoiding me, like
and like seeing this girl come to terms with what
it would mean to realize her potential as the Slayer

(40:28):
that like she can't even be an adult she can't
even grow up.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
And also, oh, my god, seeing through her mom's eyes
what her life would be if she didn't have this responsibility,
hearing her mom's story about like, well, one time I
didn't have a date and I went to a dance
alone and I met your father and it was such
a beautiful night, and I had my whole life ahead
of me. And just her seeing through her mom's story
what her life will never ever be. Yeah, I love

(40:54):
that monologue. The monologue is perfectly written, and Sarah Michelle
Geller gives a perfect performance. It's fair good. Yeah, I
agree with everything you said. And then her like angrily
screaming at Giles and then getting angry with Angel when
he says he understands, and she's like, how do you
understand You're never going to die? Yeah, and then her
getting really flippant about it, saying that like, well, that's

(41:19):
just how it is. Once layer dies, the next one's
called wonder who she is?

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Layers and layers and layers.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Of emotional defenses all peeling away into what is the
actual core of the issue, where suddenly she's been like
very big and strong, very like taking the power in
the situation yelling, yelling, yelling, and then she has this
moment of child vulnerability and says, Giles, I'm sixteen years old.
I don't want to die. Oh it is so awful.

(41:51):
And something I love about this show is it's very
pro woman, you know, like Buffy's like kicking ash she
has superpowers. But also ultimately, being the Slayer is a curse,
and it is a patriarchal curse, and we are never

(42:11):
blind to that fact. And Buffy saying, one slayer dies,
the next one's called. I wonder who she is her
being like, at the end of the day, I may
be the most powerful person on earth that I am
just a piece. I'm just a cog in a machine
that was made by some dude somewhere.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Thank you for bringing up the patriarchy, because also I
think like these two men are discussing her fate and
she's not even fucking there. She gets no autonomy.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
No, it's a it's a what is the word? Like
you said, it is like a zoomed in example of
the the of the problem at large, which is I
never said I wanted to be the Slayer. Some other
power just decided I was. And now you are doing
the exact same thing by having this discussion behind my

(43:00):
back and not consulting me at all about it. Yeah,
once our diasac is called wonder who she is?

Speaker 1 (43:07):
I wonder who she is? And will you be her watcher?
Fucking asshole Brude.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
All, then you know, Giles is kind of caught with
his pants down. And then I love that she says,
She's like, I have a solution. I quit I'm not
going to.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Do it, like, actually fuck this.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
And then Giles the next time we see him, is
not it's not even crossing his mind that like we
have to get Buffy back. He's like, I'm going to
do it. I'm going to do it. And then when
Buffy shows up, he's like, no, no, no, no, no,
I'm going to do it. You are not You are
so right, this is not fair to you. You have
no say in this. I will go and I will
do it myself, to the point that Buffy can't talk

(43:48):
him out of it. She literally has to knock him
on conscious. I just yeah, Buffy Giles, amazing relationship.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
That's my fucking bob. I love you. Giles. As you know,
he is a part of this like patriarchal machine in
a way that he like Buffy needs to yell at
him in order for him to see the full picture.
But god if I I love that man so damn much,
and especially like he takes her word for it. He's like, Okay,
she quit, I'm doing it. I have to kill the master, Like,

(44:19):
oh my god, and it's like, can you don't have
the tools? He's gonna kill you that, oh you're dead.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
On before we get back into like the depths of
the episode, I just want to make a I want
to make a silly observation. I want to make a
shallow observation. Yay, how many dances is sunny Dale High having?

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Because oh my god, it's so true because they just
had the spring Fling whatever the hell's.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
That's what I'm confused about because I thought that May
Queen was spring Fling and then this episode they keep
switching between spring Fling and fling and prom like which
one they call it?

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Oh, I wonder if they're connected.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Well, I was wondering that if it's the same dance.
But then that's confusing because.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Mars they was dressed up ready to go.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Marcy tied Cordelia up the morning of the dance because
the hope was that the kids would walk in that
night and see her. So it's possible that they were like, well,
Cordelia got kidnapped and tied up, so do we postpone
the dance until the apocalypse instead?

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Maybe maybe that's what happened. Is it's the same dance.
Either they had two dances that were within the same month,
or they were like Cordelia Chase our may queen got
tied up and traumatized. So maybe it's in everyone's best
interest to take a little break.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I mean they could they could be like Utah, I
we did so many school dances and it felt like
it was like once a month. Hy So maybe.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Maybe it's something like that because we only did once
a quarter.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Oh no, we had like something crazy like six dances
a year.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Because I also, in the end of Out of Mind,
Out of Sight, does Cordelia like mention the dance at all?
In that scene at the school I remembered, I don't remember.
What I do remember is that she had a boyfriend
in that episode and his name was Mitch. It was
not Kevin. So what happened there Kevin got beat up

(46:23):
with a baseball bat and you said sorry.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
She's not even annoyed with this guy, Kevin him. Honestly,
that is so awesome.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
She said, Mitch, I only needed you for the May
Queen dance for prom. I'm getting a newer model.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
I'm upgrading, and guess what, not even annoying.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
And guess what, I'm not even annoyed, Mitch, super annoying.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Yeah, that is a funny observation. I didn't even think
about that, because two dances in a row is super funny.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
I know, two episodes in a row danced to dance
back to.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Back, interest like put Papa Show in betwixt.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
But pup, I think the issue is Buffy. I mean,
Cordelia is too mean to them in puppet Show. It's like,
really Cordelia's arc and out of mind tease up her
in this episode that you might not have another Cordelia
appearance in between.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Frankly, I didn't even think about it. So I wonder
if it was like they're not going to think about it,
because it's true, I didn't think about to tell you about.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
It that I thought about it immediately.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Oh well, you're so smart.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
That's so interesting. Maybe they I think many things could
be true. If we're going to justify anything in this world,
that it could be the dance kind of went awry
Invisible Girl on the Run postpone, or maybe like this
is just like a month later in the world.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
I mean, there's not a lot to do here. You
gotta do a dance every week.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Oh my god, this town is boring as shit. You
gotta do a dance every week, and they always have
to dances at the bar.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
The hell it is the bar, the club, the coffee shop,
and the civic center.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
My post warmon mind cannot even like compute kids going
to a bar period, let alone adults letting kids go
to a bar for a school sanction't event.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
You're not gonna have liquor there. I went to, like
my proms were.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
But I mean, if it's a bar, my.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
But it's not like a like it's like a bar club,
Like my proms were at like event centers that certainly
had bars, but they just didn't have the bar open
during a prom.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I guess in my mind, an event center is different
than like a club or bar, because even club, I'm like, no.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Way, it doesn't seem that weird to me. It's like
the only place in town.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Especially if it's the only place in town where it's like,
this is where people study, this is where people hang,
this is where people dance, this is where like bands are,
this is where the biggest room in the in the
county that we can host this many people. Yeah, it's
not that weird. I would have loved to see the
prom at the Bronze, actually, yeah, I and the spring

(49:14):
Fling whatever the hell. I would have liked to see
that as well.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
I think it would be fun if the climax was
at the Bronze. It's definitely more convenient to have it
in the library because then we don't have to worry
about like all these extras and then like are they dying,
and then like will they remember this? It's just like Canner.
And then also I guess it's like a fun fake
out that Jenny and Willow are going to the Bronze

(49:39):
and they're like, oh my gosh, all the vampires are
headed towards us the helm out this year, and then
it puts Giles in the midst of danger because he's
alone in the library. So like, that's all fun, But
it would have been fun to have a Bronze final
set piece.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, Yeah. Also, just to see Buffy have a let
loose moment like dance after would have been cute to me.
But I like them walking away. I think it's cute.
And also like to kind of bring it to home
base as well, is like I think really strong, like
this has been home base, this has been the safe

(50:14):
haven here, Empires are here exactly.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
And the way Cordelia gets in the mix, literally drives
her car through the school and then bites a vampire
and says, let's see how you like it, bitch. Oh
my god, I'm like Cordelia Chase.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
I'm so glad that Cordelia is my heart. Song about
damn time.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
I know you're welcome home, Welcome home baby.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Now we're in for it. I understand what you're saying.
I don't need the episode ending with Buffy at the bronze.
I prefer to dance. I like to dance too. I
prefer it ending with Buffy walking to the dance and
then we can imagine her at the dance. I love it.
It is It is a mark of Buffy. That is

(51:02):
something absolutely fucking insane ended just happened, and now we're
all walking away as if it's a normal day talking
about what we're gonna do next, Like that's a trope
that has often visited in this TV show. Yeah, and
I think it's a very fun trope. Just be like, anyway,
so I heard there's a school dance. Should we go
check that out? Sure? And then like we watch them
walk away and the camera stays on the rumin of

(51:24):
what just happened? I think is very fun.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yeah, I like that too. And there's also everyone's talking
over each other and they're all saying the like the
silliest things for what just happened. Like Buffy even goes, god,
I'm hungry like something. She just like says how hungry
she is. And then also like Xander goes, what's what
the car? And then Cordelia goes, that was me?

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Sorry, love Cordelia Chase. I like, ah, there is a
there is a version of this show that Cordelia Chase
is just the girl that has three or four funny
one liners and fills out the world. And that would
be fine, and I would still like her. But what

(52:07):
puts her in one of my favorite Buffy characters of
all time is her becoming a member of the Scoobies,
Like her joining them and fighting them and still being
self centered and still being dumb but dumb, not as
in like she's stupid but dumb, is in like she
has her priorities a little backwards. Yeah, but then like

(52:27):
having an innate sense of justice. But like what other
Scooby would bite a vampire back and go, let's see
how you like it, Like she is the best.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
And like, thank god someone is here to do that.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
And like what other Scooby would drive their car through
the wall of the school. I just like her so much,
Xander will drive I'm so obsessed.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
And once again having heard the group we talked about
in the beginning, how our trio are all really good
foils of each other, and Cordelia is also like they
all are playing different parts and have very different way
like very different modus up Randy MODI Like what is

(53:16):
that modes of operation? I guess sure. I just I
think the four of them together is incredibly fun.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
And also like to add in this like kind of
like she's a good foil to all of them, but
like where does she fit? You know, Like she's not
Buffy's best friend, She's not Xander's best friend. She is
just like kind of in the mix. Yeah, and also
hasn't any sense of justice and it hates all I

(53:49):
love it, Oh my god, And like it's kind of
like the Laurence ICs effect to me a little bit,
where like to have someone in this group who like,
is gonna perform, is gonna like do all things, is
going to be at all the classes. But it's also
like so not.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
But it's like I have my own life, Like I'm like.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah, like you guys are weird about Glee Club.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Like you guys are true into the fact that we
live on a hell mouth.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
To me, it's like, well, like why are you so obsessed?

Speaker 2 (54:15):
It's like the tenth most important thing going on in
my life right now.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
I think it's really cool to have someone in the
group who is like not who was like in it,
but not like not like you know so much. Yeah
I do too. I just think it's such a fun dynamic,
dynamic shift. And she is the fucking funniest bitch in town.

(54:38):
And also she's not afraid to drive through the school.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
That's really important to.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
So important to me in fact, it's like a need
I have.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
You have to be willing to drive while the school.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah, if I'm going to like form a team, one
of you has got to be ready to drive through
the school. Also, Jenny in this to Jenny involved in
the scoopies, I'm a huge Jenny calendarhead. I love you
Jenny Calendar. And then her her and Willow I don't know,
Like Willow is so royally upset by what she has seen,

(55:18):
and so she is like really scared and like she Okay,
Alison Hannigan's got one of the best scream queen screams
I've heard.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I was genuinely impressed without.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Oh my god. But Jenny also like kicking ass and
like also like caring for Willow and like protecting Willow,
Oh my god. And then both of them like screaming
for Giles and Giles like chopping. I was like, I
love this so bad. It was so good. Oh my god,
I'm so glad Jenny is there. I think she's also
such a fun fun foil to Giles and like ads

(55:54):
in another dynamic in this group. Oh my god, you're
so right there. That's Mama, Mama, Papa.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
It's a little bit like dad, and then like your
cool young step mom.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Like she's like she's like a little too to be
like their biological.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Mom Hu, but like always gives you ice cream. Yeah, yeah,
oh my god. No, it's also will kick ass for you.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
It's your cool young step mom who's like very into
being your step mom at the end of the day,
is like a little too cool and young to be
your mom.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
No, totally. And also we'll come to parents your conferences
with you and really stick up for you in a
way that like, you know, maybe your dad might not.
And you're like, Jenny, thank you so much. You're really cool.
But she's also only like two years old, not two
years like seven years older. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I get the vibe from Jenny that she's like I
know that the actor is like twenty nine, she's like
twenty yeah, But I get the vibe that Jenny's like
early thirties, like around there.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
That's w yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
And then I think Giles is like forty yeah yeah hot.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Sorry sorry sorry, like.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Thirty two and forty girl.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
No, I know that's fine. Some people don't think that, but.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, and I'm going to say this on the record.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
I think this.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
People literally need to go outside and take a deep breath.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
If you are in.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Your thirties, you can date somebody. Yeah, it's fine. It
reaches a point when your maturity slows down and it's
no longer like a creepy per.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Dynamic, huge shift kind of drama happening in the in
the dating TV show sphere, the golden Bachelor that they
just hired doesn't want anyone over sixty and he's like,
sixty five, No, he's not, he's in he's in his seventies.
He doesn't want to date someone over sixties. No, weirdo, Right,

(57:46):
that's weird.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
I'm of the mentality of like, I like literally hate
to say this because it's so annoying, but like, there
reaches a point in your life when like age truly
is just a number, like who cares? Yeah, And so
you know, if you're in your seventies and you fall
in love with someone in their fifties, hell yeah. But
I do think it's weird to set a rule, yes,

(58:08):
to be like and I will not date anyone older
than this, And that's where it gets dicey with me.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Yeah, no, I agree, And especially I feel like men
usually have those rules where it's like, yeah, women my
age don't get me, and it's like Okay, why don't
women your age get you? You freaking weirdo.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Exactly if Giles organically met Jenny Calendar as he did,
and she's like thirty two, hell yeah. But if Giles
said I wanted a woman over thirty five, then I go, okay, rubery, Giles,
Let's take a moment and examine ourselves.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
What's going He's respectful, king, Yes, I don't think you would,
so I would either. Do you guys ship them?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
If you don't, you're wrong.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Anyway, Jenny Calendar is so glad she's in this group
and also even like Angel and Xander in this dynamic,
like oh my god, when Buffy says Angel, you better
get your game face on and it cuts to him
in vam face Chilie's chillillies. Okay, also, okay, So one
of my favorite parts of this episode is like the

(59:08):
five minutes or so that cuts from Buffy being brought
back to life, thank you, Xander, and then realizing she
is stronger than ever and she like now is like
connected to the Master in this way and she's like, no,
I'm ready to function up, like oh watch out, I'm
strong and I'm back in town, and then cutting from

(59:32):
everyone in the library freaking like, you know, fighting, fighting, fighting.
Willow does a huge scream and then it goes no
no no no no no no no no no no no.
Oh my god, I get choose. It's so a cinematic
and beautiful. Oh my god, I love oh yeah h yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Speaking of Buffy feeling more powerful now having like a
psychic connection to the Master, I love. Buffy shows up
to the Master's layer and then he captures her and
he says, you know what's funny about prophecies is they
don't tell you everything. You're the one who sets me free.
If you hadn't come, I wouldn't have been able to leave.

(01:00:13):
And then he kills her, and that's a like, oh
damn it, this whole like Oedipus Rex, trying to escape
your fate causes your fate. Yeah, and if she.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Didn't know what this had happened at.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
All, yeah, like exactly. But then it turns back on
the Master because the prophecy didn't tell him everything, and
the prophecy was that she would die and then in
dying would come back more powerful, and she's only yes,
if she had never come, the Master would not have
been able to leave. But if she had never died,

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she never would have been strong enough to kill the Master.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
There's this part of the prophecy that I'm like, I
don't know if they are like going against the prophecy
prophecy on purpose. I'm choosing to think they are. So
the Anointed One is going to take her there, and
the Slayer won't know who he is, but Buffy knows
exactly who he is, and she I know who you

(01:01:12):
are exactly. So to me, that moment is so powerful
because I feel like, they go in on you're not
going to know who he is at least twice. Yeah,
and then her seeing this little boy and being like, Okay,
you're not gonna fucking fool me. I'll go with you,
like I know you are.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
I know Haley Jela when I see him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Literally big fan, you see.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Dead people, So let's go find what.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Right, I'm a dead girl walking hello, like I think. So,
they they go in on that at least twice, and
then she says to him I know you, which this
to me is like, yes, she is ready to fulfill
this prophecy, but like that's not it, Like that's not

(01:01:55):
the whole story, right, Yeah, and it like she's going
to make her own because she's taking her agency into
her own hands and going willingly. And how that maybe
changes everything And how does her taking part in this
and taking matters into her own hand change the fate

(01:02:16):
or change the prophecy? You know? Kind of fun, kind
of exciting. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
I like this, Like the reason she was able to
revive was because she was choosing to go and die. Yeah,
And if she had not chosen, then the prophecy would
have played out where she died it was dead. I
like this, Yeah, because I agree they put they put
too fine a point on the slayer will not know him? Yeah,

(01:02:46):
for the I know who you are to be unintentional
like that is clearly something we're supposed to clock.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Yeah. That's one of my favorite shots in all of Buffy.
Buffy in her white gown and crossbow leather jacket holding
hands with this child, like, oh my god, it's so
ominous and spooky and it's everything.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Having her in her prom dress for the entire third
act is a literally a genius moved like her prom dress,
leather jacket, crossbow. It's the best, it's iconic. It's an
amazing image.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
It is so beautiful and also like, yes, she gets
dressed because her mom bought her this beautiful dress and
she's taking matters into her own hands and going to
the prom. She's going to the prom. But it's also
like it's really poetic too, where she you know, Willow
compliments her dress and she's also like in her best
dress to meet her fate. It's kind of sad and

(01:03:44):
funerally to me, yeah, but it's also like and then
also her being covered in mud not mud, but like
you know, she's like dirty from its drown it's swompy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
And that was I mean the masterless and the sewers.
No oh chance that she fell into a pile of poo.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Seriously sewage mama, so like you know, and then her
in this white dress, disheveled, and then doing her heroes walk.
She doesn't like even have her crossbow anymore. Now it's
just her in this dirty white dress, ready to punch
him in the stomach until he falls onto a broken table,

(01:04:25):
like with just her fucking fists. It's really powerful, Oh
my god.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
In the most like feminine outfit we see. Yes, it's
one like a floor length gown. She's got this beautiful updo,
and it's white, which is you know, like the whole
like feminine purity bride color virginy yuah, yes, it feels,
it feels very I don't like an overuse of the

(01:04:53):
word powerful because I feel like sometimes it's like I
have nothing else to say, but it is, but like
it is powerful. It's powerful have her being as like virginal,
very feminine color and be kicking ass.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
It's also like, you know, the slayer is a young
girl sacrificing this like for narrative purposes, I'm gonna say
virgin sacrificing this virgin in how she is fighting back
and like looks exactly what that trope looks like and
is also gonna kick your fucking ass until you fruit

(01:05:26):
punch mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Yeah. And then she comes back and the dress is
still stunning, but the dress is covered in human feces
and her hair is all like wet and big, you know,
like she she is no longer the like virginal, pure
looking being and she is in fact stronger because I'm ever.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Exactly yeah, exactly, I I love you know. The Master
finally gets to breathe the first time in the in air.
He's like on top of the school and he's like,
finally the world is ma and then Buffy coming in
and like being the quippiest Buffy has been up to

(01:06:06):
this point. I love this entire scene. I could quote
it to you by memory. I'm so obsessed her like
the Master saying like, what what are you doing here?
Like you're to die? He was supposed to die it
was written. And then her saying what can I say,
I flunk the written.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
That is the best line in the show thus far.
I'm not I'm being serious.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
No, I need to tattoo that that phrase on my chest.
What can I say? I don't like, I'm that obsessed
with that I because that's the thing. She's flunking the written.
There are things in this prophecy that that aren't going
to plan. And also her being herself, her taking her
agency in her own hands, like fuck what was written?

(01:06:53):
I'm actually just gonna kick your ass like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Gives me chills, and her saying this is not I
funk the written is truly a league of its own.
It's an amazing line. This line is not as amazing,
but it's so good and you already referenced it. Her
saying you have fruit punch mouth is because that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
So it worked before he like compelled her to come
to him so he could like feed on her, and
now that shit doesn't work on her. Save the him.
Know this for the tourists, you know, he like tries
to compel her and then she like goes along with it,
and then like he's like getting all up in her
face and like being trying to be like sexy vampire
and and she's like, actually, you look stupid. You have

(01:07:37):
fruit punch mouth, like eel, you look ugly. But also
we skipped over it. We skipped over it. We skipped
over it. He goes, you're supposed to be dead, and
then she goes, I may be dead, but I'm still pretty,
which is more than I can save for you. Buffy Summers.
I pledge allegiance to the Buffy Summers of the United

(01:07:59):
Buffy summ that's my fucking queen, of course. And even
like the Master being like, oh so no quips, Oh
so you're just gonna oh so.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Oh, he's his exact line. She shows up back when
you know she's still pre death Buffy Summer, she's still
little scared, and she shows up to his layer and
she goes, well, you got some something like you got
some leakage problems. You should like talk to your landlord
about that. And he goes, oh good, the feeble banter

(01:08:29):
portion of the fight.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
And I'm glad he said that, because I'm always like,
oh good, the banter. The fight.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
I love it is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
She such a She's such a smart girl, and I
love her like playing with her food so to speak,
Like even when she's scared, she's still gonna like humiliate
them in the process, like a real teen girl. Would
I eat it the fuck up? This guy has been
tormenting her for like a year. She barely knows him,
but he's been like fucking with her for a year.

(01:09:02):
And then he becomes at least to me, this like
the culmination of the prophecy and how like you know,
hit Buffy calling him a loser at the end, Like
it's but it's also heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
You try to take everything from me. I have been
through so much shit because of you, and now I'm
going to go to a dancing party with my friends losers.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
It's oh my god, it's awesome. All right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
We had to talk about and I think this is
something that we forget because we both watched Buffy forever ago. Yeah,
but I do remember my first watch. I was gagged
and gooped by this, oh my god, the decision to
kill the Master at the end of season one, Like

(01:09:59):
how any shows? How long were we watching fucking pretty
little liars? Being like the fuck is a and like,
actually I don't care anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Who is a Susilvester They should have just killed susil
Vester at the end of season one. I'm just kidding, No,
I'm literally kidding, but like the main the main villain,
Like if you were to kill Sue Silvester, like that's crazy,
that's you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
I just feel like there's these shows, these like high concept,
high plot shows that will just drag out the main
concept as long as they can, yeah, to a point
that you're like, actually I no longer fucking care, Like
so little has happened. Yeah, and this show is very

(01:10:48):
pitched and I had a hard time on Patreon. We
like got an email or like a comment or something
that was like, I'm really enjoying the show, but I
just do not connect with the Master. Sure, and I'm
very committed to not boiling the show for people, but
it took everything in me to not be like, don't worry.
He literally dies in twelve Yeah, because the show is
set up as he is the King of vampires. This

(01:11:10):
show is going to be about Buffy versus the Master.
He is her arch nemesis. He will be the big
bad of the show. Yeah, And then to kill him
at the end of season one is both so shocking
and then it's also showing no, no, no, no no. The point
of this show is not like Buffy versus this villain.

(01:11:33):
The point of the show is not like, oh, Buffy's
arch nemesis. The point of the show is fucking Buffy exactly.
It is not about her versus some dude.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Yeah, it is a Buffy versus the vampires. It's Buffy
the vampire slayer.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
And it's about Buffy versus her internal issues. It is
about Buffy versus the responsibility and cursive being the slayer.
It is about who these characters are. It is about
how these things affect them, and that will always be
more important and more interesting than whoever the villain is.
And there will continue to be villains, and there will

(01:12:07):
continue to be villains that last for episodes and episodes
and episodes, but at the end of the day, we
are locked into the show because we care about our
heroes and what is going on with their personal lives
and how this is affecting them personally, and not like
what is the Master's grand scheme and how are we
gonna thwart the Master? No, totally, And I just like,

(01:12:28):
I think it is so exciting and unexpected to kill
him off this way. Yeah, And then it really it
leaves the door open of like, so, what the fuck
is the rest of the show about? Yeah, And it
shows that this is a show in the same way
that like Xander confesses his feelings for buffing this episode
and she straight up says no, no, that it shows

(01:12:50):
we aren't scared that we're going to run out of plot.
We are not going to be dragging out these plots
because we're afraid that we're not going to have any
fresh ideas. Like we are confident enough and the ideas
that we have that we are going to give them
as long as they need and then when we feel
they're not serving us anymore, we're going to end the
plot and move on to the next one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
I love that it's like we're not afraid actually to
get rid of the Master because we have we have extra.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Because we have way better villains.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
And also, at the core of it, it doesn't matter
what else they have. They have a character and a
group of Buffy exactly, and as long as they have Buffy,
they they know they're confident in what they've got.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
I see so many TV shows that I feel like
are scared to resolve plots because they don't know what's
left that they resolve the plot. Oh my god, and
Buffy is really like, if we have Buffy Summers, We're fine.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
No, totally. I know. There are so many shows that
I'm like, I can tell you are really jazzed about
this first season and you know exactly what's going on,
but like, how do you continue with this very fun
idea you've got?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Yeah, yeah, and then I just stop watching exactly gets
to a point where I don't care anymore. Mm hmm. Yeah.
It's like I had one more thought about that in
that vein. I don't know if I remember what it was, Okay, Oh,
it was just that I have enjoyed now that, like

(01:14:19):
we've said goodbye to the Master, I enjoyed him much
more this time around. As a child, I did not
like The Master oh my god. No, I thought he
was dumb and corny, and I was thrilled when he
and I said he has fruit punch mouth. Now as
an adult, I realize, yeah, he's dumb and ugly, and
that's kind of silly and fun Like he is the

(01:14:43):
He is a universal monsters in like universal studios, like
he is the Phantom of the Opera. He is Frankenstein.
He is these like generic old prosthetic, like very over
the top, very dramatic, old timey movie villains. And then
when he says dumb shit like I think that's about
a five point one, it then is so funny because

(01:15:04):
he's like so gothic and serious the rest of the time.
So shout out the Master. I like you more than
I did. Shout out Mark belt Calf. Were having a
great time in this role.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
Tracy says The Master was one of her favorite villains ever.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Yeah, I mean that checks out. He's very gay. First
of all, I genuinely like he and the order for
really is like they are fucking each other. But then
also he just is so over dramatic and very cam
it's super queer. He's got these long ass nails, he's
got a sensible red lip.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Oh my god, I was a little lip tint.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Yeah, that's a diva. That's the diva.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Such a diva. And also leather Daddy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
And also lest we forget, a leather daddy and he
is every year and he's a proud gay parent with
his adopted son. And he said all families are families.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
He did.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Ah, honestly, Rip Diva, Rip Diva. I agree. I like
have never like connected with the Master like I have
on this watch. And it's just it's also such a
fun one to start with, Like it is so reminiscent
of like everything you said, like the universal Monsters that
it like we don't need to see him suit a

(01:16:30):
lot to know exactly his fucking deal, which I think
is really powerful, and then leaves room for us later
to like get to know more villains that like don't
fit molds we've seen before exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
I so agree to have the first villain be like,
so this is what you think of when you think vampire. Yeah,
and then moving forward we can get a little like
crazier and out of the box with it. But like
we will start with the arc type that we are referencing,
so we all have the same guidebook, and now we're
going to take into different directions.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Yeah, yeah, I love Hey, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
He left behind a skeleton. Someone did message us saying,
but we didn't read it because it was the Master dies,
but that they have a theory that the longer a
vampire is alive, the longer it takes them to dust.
Because sometimes Buffy stabs a vampire and they dust immediately. Sometimes,

(01:17:24):
and you mentioned this, you mentioned this in the Harvest.
Sometimes she'll dust freaky Luke and he falls to the
ground and then dust and then like the Master gets
dusted and it's like a hold to do with everything
leaving his body, and then he leaves behind bones and
so some to think about because he is, like, you know,

(01:17:47):
one of if not the oldest vampire left.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
I wonder if that's true. The longer you're around, the
longer it takes for you to die, and the more
likely that you will leave behind remnants when you die.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Think about I guess we'll see, give them something to
think about.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Okay, So that just came to me. I don't know
what that was.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Honestly, I had a thought when you said I have
a theory, I went.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
I have to tell you. I don't know, listeners, I
don't know what we're talking.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
About right now. There's no there's no context.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I don't know if I told you this. I went
to uh Maurice Crisis, famous musical theater, piano bar in
Greenwich Village. Everyone for my birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
You did tell me this?

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Yeah, And they have a theory and I was like,
someone told them it was my birthday, Like, what are
the odds crazy? I love that, all right, Prophecy girl,
Prophecy have Prophecy, goyl. Do you have strong thoughts that
have not.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Been addressed, Not that I haven't been addressed. Let me
go into my mind palace.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
I love that they shut the door on Xander and Buffy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
I do too.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
I have to bring it up again. And even like
Xander's like like, she's like I don't feel that way
about you, and he's like, well, can you try? And
she's like no, I'm not gonna try, like shutting it
the fuck down.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Yeah. Also, I like that he's an asshole to her
and she's like you're being really harsh. Yeah, and then
he's like I don't take rejection.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
I just like that they call it out like, yeah,
he's being a jerk right now, and then him laying
in bed and listening to contributes. Okay, I love I've
been there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
And oh my god, have I been there? Oh my god,
have I been there? Like, oh my god, Like we
will all be rejected in our lives unless we're some
of us, aren't. We all are? And you know who
handles rejections super well, especially when they're fifteen sixteen. I
like still am like getting over the rejections I had
when I was fifteen sixteen. I like think about them

(01:19:57):
all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
I do think I I'm better than Xander about like
I'm not rude to the person when I get rejected,
I'm like, okay, so cool. But as soon as I
don't their eye line, I'm like like, hi, it's it's bleak.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Oh it's bleak. I Also, I'm a runner. I'm a runner.
I'm a truck star. If you reject me, see us,
do you never? We're not friends anymore. I can't do it.
It's also like I also think, like to me, if
you are, especially with friends, if you are, this is
just me. If you're going to go to a friend

(01:20:36):
and say we should be together and they say no,
thank you, and you can't immediately drop it and be
like Okay, great, No, that's fine, that's fine, that's fine
if you were going to hold a candle. It's like
for them for the rest of your life. That's not
good for either of you. You need to drop that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
No, I super if.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
You can drop it, if you can like be their friend.
I think be their friends, but also like you have
to be honest and not like pine for them for
the rest of your life. That's not good for anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
No, I have to, like, like I said, I have
to like get out of their eyesight as soon as possible.
I'm like, oh, my gosh, totally cool, of course. And
then I'm like and now I have to feel so
bad about myself for forty eight hours so that I
can drop it. Oh, because otherwise, if I don't like
give myself a grieving period of just like ah, then
it will like fester inside of me and I had

(01:21:27):
to go, my god, Yeah, we need to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
The only way through it is through it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Be sad for ourselves and more in this and realize
like it ain't happen, it ain't happening. Yeah, Hey, I
need to listen to country music and.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
You do someone, I've got a whole playlist for you. Wow.
Anything else to say about Prophe's a girl, I like
want to talk about it for hours.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Oh, I have one more thing for sure, speaking of Xander.
First of all, we already mentioned it, but Xander and
Angel teaming together for the greater good of Miss Buffy
and Summers is good.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
It's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
But also Xander shows up to Angel's house, knocks on
his door. Angel opens the door, Xander bursts right past.
It goes, mind if I come in and to me,
I genuinely think that it's intentional him flipping him the bird,
goingwhere By the way, I'm a human, so I don't

(01:22:25):
have to ask your permission. Mind if I come in,
I'm walking in.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Oh my god, I bet it's so frustrating to have
those rules in your body and then to see someone
who like hates you so bad that they have to
rub it in your face. I'm sure that is so
that's happy that hits him probably where it hurts too.
You have whole let go anywhere. Oh my god, I

(01:22:54):
bet it's so boring to be a vampire. You know.
It's something I love so much about this show. Especially
in like terms of like you know, watching other vampire media,
especially romantic vampire media, like reading vampire books, there is
always a moment where the human girl the vampire boy,
because that's generally what I'm reading. The girl wants to

(01:23:15):
be a vampire so damn bad, and sometimes they let her,
and all times they let her. I love so much
how it's not even a question for Buffy. Yeah, Like
and maybe it's the her being a vampire slayer. Maybe
it's you know, just whatever. You know. She would rather
lose Angel than even think about becoming a vampire. And

(01:23:39):
this TV show treats vamporism like the curse that it is,
like it is not it's probably boring as fuck, it's
probably so sad, it's probably like not fun, and like
Buffy doesn't even question it, and like none of these
kids are questioning it. And I love that. I think
it's really I think it's some that is so stand

(01:24:01):
out about this piece of media. I think it's so special.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Have you you have I have not seen the movie
and TV adaptations of Yeah, So I don't know me so,
I don't know how it ends. But the ending of
the book is my favorite part and it's very in
that vein.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
What's theanding of the book.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
The ending of the book is the guy he has
been interviewing, where Like, when I was reading the book,
I was like, why the fuck is this like structured
as an interview, because it's just Louie like telling his
life story. It could just be like a first person
account just every once in a while, it'll be like
and then the man who is interviewing him said this,

(01:24:50):
But then it all makes sense at the end, which
is Louie finishes his whole life story.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
And then the person who's interviewing him is like, so
so cool, so cool, So can you make me a vampire?

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
And Louis literally like pushes him against the wall, threatens
to kill him, is like, how could you have listened
to everything I just said and not realize that this
is a curse, that this is awful?

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
And the guy's like basically, the guy's like, no, I'm
built different. The guy's like, no, you don't realize you're
exclusively for me. Yeah. He's like, you don't realize the
gift that you have. And I won't neglect the gift
and I will actually make the most of it and
eternal life will be really great for me. Yeah, And
Louis straight up like threatens him and is like, if
you ask me that again, I'm going to kill you

(01:25:39):
and leaves and then the book. The book ends with
the interviewer rewinding the tape and hearing Louie talk about
a different vampire and where he lives and writing it
down so he can go find him. And it's one
like about vampireism, but also feels like a very good
allegory of fame until like so many famous people are like, you,

(01:26:00):
guys don't understand being famous.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Sucks, Like I'm actually in hell. Yeah, like I.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Actually hate it so much, and yet every single person
is like, but if I was famous, I would be happy.
But actually, like you don't appreciate it. But if I
was famous for me, it would be good. Yeah, It's
very compelling.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Very compelling. No, I so honestly I have to and
not to like And maybe this is so off base
and weird, but I think consuming so much vampire media
and like consuming so much, like you know, even fantasy,
eternal life is such a huge thing in all of
these books, and like also how that in itself is

(01:26:41):
a curse and it's like not good to life especial
because it ends. Yeah, in my and maybe this is
so off base and maybe y'all don't want to hear
this in a faith transition. For me, I was really
scared when I was like, well, I'm not going to
go to heaven or I'm not, Like, I'm scared to
not believe in heaven. And this is me per I'm
scared to not believe in heaven because I don't want

(01:27:02):
to die. I don't want to like you know. But
then thinking about it, I'm like, I actually don't need
to live forever. I think it's okay. Like if that is,
if I go to heaven, that's sick. But I'm also
okay with yeah, life being exactly what it is, an
ending where and it ends, and that's okay too. Oh yeah,

(01:27:23):
just me personally, I don't know. Yeah, thanks thanks Buffy.
Thanks interview with the Vampire. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Yeah, no, absolutely, and healthy life doesn't end at sixteen
because of your prophesize to die.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Well get this, I'm like twelve years older than that.
I'm killing it. Even knows. Evan knows. Life is so
crazy and it's a it's a gift. And I you know,
and I'm glad that Buffy was saved and can slay
another day. I'm glad that we are here to watch
this TV show. And I'm genuinely are y'all having a

(01:27:58):
good time? I'm having over really good?

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
All?

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Do you want to do worst my best part?

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
Yeah? The worst part?

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
What's your worst part? Trying? And I literally know that
it's gonna be like there isn't one just for but
just for fun.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
I know, I know, I know, I even I was
watching it this morning, I was.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Like fuck no, watching it this morning, I had to
be like, okay, so what is my worst part? Because
I enjoyed it so much.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
I want to see the dance and I know it's
it's a good narrative thing to like, it's just it's okay,
it's them walking away. It's probably on purpose. But what
does the bronze look like when it's all dolled up?
I want to see you You'll never know? Balloons? What
did Cordy wear? Did Willa wear something? Like? I want
to know?

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
I think Courdy ward exactly what she was wearing?

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
No, I know, but like what were they planning on wearing?

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
I don't think Cordy was putting on going because your
boy died. Yeah, because she mentions I was parked where
Kevin and I used to park. I think she was
too sad she wasn't going to go to the dance.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Well, I want to see what the bronze looks like,
all the gussied up. Yes, that's my worst part. What's
your worst part?

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
My worst part is like so nothing. I just am like,
Cotteley was dating Mitch last episode. Why not just have
her still be with Mitch? And I think the death
would be more effective.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
If it was Mitchy because it's someone I didn't even notice.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
I mean, yeah, but it just and I'm really getting
in the weeds because I think this episode, I think
it would be more effective if it was a boy
that we had seen before that she had been dating
last week.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Sure, And I guess it's maybe because like Mitch was
known to be an asshole and they're trying to be
like Kevin is like maybe nice, but maybe, yeah, the
death impactful? Have it be something I've seen before?

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Yeah, anyways, I hear you best part? Best part? Okay,
my best part. I mean it's too much to say.
Buffy Summers Heaven knows. I've said it before, but I'll
probably say it again, but Buffy coming back facing her fate,
taking her fate into her own hands, and how that

(01:30:17):
emboldens her and makes her stronger than ever. Like how
many times in my life have I had moments where
I have to do something so hard or so difficult
and I come out on the other side with the
knowledge of how to do it. And also I feel
stronger because I the only way through it is through it,

(01:30:39):
you know what I mean? And like how you know
this is a TV show about vampires and killing people
and you know all this kind of stuff. Like I
it's just such a beautiful thing to see and it's
so exciting and so lovely, and I just care so
deeply about Buffy and this is oh my god, I

(01:31:01):
can't even I like, I'm struggling to even put it
into wards how special it is to me, and how
I will come to this episode all the time and
it helps me in so many ways, and I really
it's just really special to me. I love you, Buffy Summers,
Thank you for everything you've done for me. Yeah, what

(01:31:21):
is your best part?

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
My best part is special? Shout out to the Buffy
monologue realizing that she's going to die in a library. Yeah,
the Joyce and Buffy scene just edges it out for
me as the best part of the episode. I love
you Joyce Summers. Oh my gosh. A mom trying her

(01:31:44):
best and so ill equipped to deal with what's going on. Yeah,
And there's something just like so tragic about that scene
and Joyce thinking that she is having a moment of
being a really great parent and actually she is just

(01:32:05):
completely Yeah that is going through and her daughter not
wanting to burden her mother with the truth of the
situation and so just going along with it and pretending
that her mom is right. Yeah, that's my best part.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Now, that's an awesome best part.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Thanks. Now, what's the gayest part?

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
The part? Oh my god, I like us kind of singing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
We just like singing new One every time.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Gay part? Oh my goodness, the gayest part of this episode.
I may be dad, but I'm still pretty, which is
more than I can say for you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
I think there's nothing gayer than a really awesome comeback.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Yeah, hell yeah, what a My gayest part is the
hero's walk, but these certified cool girl.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Sudding walking.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Strutting in her prom dress that's covered in the in
the fecal matter of her classmates and fellow townspeople, with.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Her big wet hair, rock n roll sid wet look
that is wet look that is edited like it's a
music video, and then going.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Bad guy flanked by two daddies behind her Xander Harris
an Angel it is. It's the gayest moment of the
episode by far.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
And also she doesn't even kill the vampire. She just
doesn't give a ship. She doesn't eve give a ship
to kill him.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
A hot girl with wet hair who could not care less,
flanked by two sexy dudes who are obsessed with her.
There's nothing gayer. There's nothing gayer, see y'all guys, byeat,
it's never gonna get gayer than that. Even win lesbian's

(01:34:09):
kiss on this show, it won't get gayer than that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Hot girl in a wet LOOKTI who were obsessed with
her behind her.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Dead panning I'll look a bad guy and punching someone
in the face to a rock.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
And roll beat.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
That's it. That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
Pack it up, No, seriously, everyone, pack it up.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
That's it. It's so good. Oh my gosh, I love
this show me too. All right, Well, that's the end
of season one's season on a Prophecy Girls. The season
wrap on season one, we will be talking about season two,
but forced we are go wing to do a little
season one retrospective, so tune in next week for that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
And Hello, we'd love to hear from you, saging to
hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
We're begging if you have thoughts on Prophecy Girl, if
you have thoughts on Buffy as a whole, if you're
a first time watcher, if you're a longtime watcher, if
you are a first time watcher, we would love to
hear what you think will happen next season. Genuinely, we're
curious because we already know a sister. Send them to
Recovering Greek at gmail dot com. We'll be reading some

(01:35:21):
of those emails next week. We will be taking a
look back at season one, maybe taking a look forward
to season two. Come and join us, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
Hello, welcome, We've got some emails for you. Would you
like to eat ram? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
Oh, thank you for answering.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
Okay, thanks for the enthusiasm, y'all love you. Yeah, all right,
let's kick things off with an email from Ryan Hi y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
I just have thoughts on the FBI in Visible school
scene at the end of Out of Mind, Out of Sight.
So Marcia becomes invisible due to people ignoring her. There's
no magic or spells or demons that make it happen.
It just happens. I'm fine to believe that since there's
mystical energy surrounding the helm out from the whole town.
Where I start to question it is where are the
other invisible kids coming from? Does this happen in other

(01:36:09):
towns without mystical energy? Is there an epidemic of American
kids turning invisible? Or maybe not everyone became invisible in
the same way. After all, we see another character turn
invisible due to a different circumstance and a future season.
I guess I'll have to believe that in some way
or another, magical or otherwise, there's just lots of invisible people.

(01:36:33):
What really gives me pause is that every single one
of these invisible people has a yearning for vengeance. Not
one of them is sympathetic to the world. Despite their circumstances.
They are all willing to comply in assassination and infiltration.
I just find that odd. I'm with Ian. I'm fine
with the endings of season one being never seen again,
but this one is just too odd for me to

(01:36:54):
not let go of Bye for now. Can't wait for
Prophecy Girl. Ryan he him Canada International listener, Ryan, Welcome
to Prophecy Girl. I hope you enjoyed it. I will
say this is like a piece of information that we
don't know yet, but also is not a spoiler. Really,

(01:37:16):
there are other hell mouths. There famously is a hellmouth
that is mentioned in Cleveland, Ohio. So I'm thinking some
of these, some of these invisible kids are Cleveland natives
and here they.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
Are the Glee kids know all about that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
Of course. That's like Rachel Berry's no, no, no, no, no.
You know who is in that classroom, Matt who will
ignored into oblivion? Whoa he is in that classroom. He's
one of those kids, You're cracktic crazy, he's there.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
I think it's getting ignored. That's what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
When you get ignored, you turn invisible. I would imagine.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
I thought, if you close calls, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
Yeah, of course I've seen you start to fade. Then
I go, wait, Lena, and then you're like, oh, I'm back.
You said my name. I would I would imagine there's
there's other mystical things happening. I would not be surprised
if somewhere like government experiments. I would not be surprised
if somewhere like magic spells.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
Gone wrong, spell's gone wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Yeah. I don't think they're all Matt and Marcy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
Yeah, I mean Matt. Matt for sure, Yeah, Matt for sure.
We ignored him into oblivion.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
I mean, I'm gonna be so honest. I can't remember
his last name. That's Rutherford, girl thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:38:49):
And that's we have to remember Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
We have to remember Matt Rutherford. He just gained his
body back. He came, Oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
God, Cleveland, Ohio. No, seriously, I think there's yeah. I
think there's lots of ways to become invisible. It is
so funny that none of them have any empathy, and
they're all like cool with infiltration like this. I feel
like if I was there, I like to.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Think you like to think you'd be like, wait, think
I don't think this is right.

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
I'm taking a stand.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
Excuse me, excuse me, I'm raising in my hand. You
can't see. But is this a little fun that I
am old. I am like happiness is a long gone
Say wait a second, this book is just full of
Beatles lyrics. What are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
She's not a girl missus much? Oh? Yeah, this is
an assassination. You guys fucking you can't fucking trick me
into killing people. Excuse me? Do you feel like sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
Oh my gosh, thats me. I do feel like if
you're invisible, like what kind of life can you lead?
I feel like there's at a certain point where you
get worn down enough that you're like, yeah, I might
as well go to the FBI Invisible People school, Like
what else am I gonna fucking do with my life?

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
Yeah? And maybe hopefully you could like maybe do good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Yeah, you're to take it over the inside.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
Word and like I won't say too much, but.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
You know no, oh I didn't say anything and I
didn't hear anything, So I'm invisible exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
Excuse me?

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Just one point classrooms.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
Just like really grading.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Excuse me. I don't know we should be doing this seriously.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
I would. I would be braving it to step up.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
Hell yeah, seeah, I do think I like when you
become part of my friend a freak, I do, but
I do always believe. I can tell you all about
it in these comic booky movies where someone gets some
extraordinary power and then like becomes a government assassin. I
am like, you know what what not that what they

(01:41:11):
did was right? But I can see how what other
life was there for them? I see that when these
powerful government agents come and pressure you, how it gets
to the point where you're like, sure, I'll give a
crack at I'll let's get it. What am I trying
to say?

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
I have something to do?

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
Yeah, I'll take a crack at it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
Wow. I mean, like Marcy's been sitting in it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
She's been reading that year book forward and back for
a year at least.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
Oh my god, Like, does she have any hobbies?

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
The flute?

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
Mama?

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
Was it the flu?

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
Or Mama?

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
I think it was a flute.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
I think it was a flu.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
See, we don't even remember her. Sorry Marcy, Sorry Marcy.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
Sorry Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Well Ryan, and thank you Ryan, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
Up next, we have a message from Kate.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
Kate is hearkening back a few episodes ago. I wrote
what you Jane? Kate says, Hi Ian and Lena, I'm
a college student and this rewatch for the pod has
been my first time revisiting the episode I wrote about you, Jane.
As a computer science major. With my new computer science knowledge,
I noticed for the first time a coding joke in
the name molok and thought y'all might enjoy it. In

(01:42:19):
computer programming, mollock is a function used for allocating memory
pronounce no pronounced similar to moloch, but with an A.
Mollok basically requests for computer to find a place to
store some data so it can be retrieved later with
a free command, and in this episode, mollock was literally

(01:42:40):
malicked into a book then freed by the computer scan.
Feels like this is too much of a coincidence, so
someone must have had some coding knowledge in the barriety's
room and been having fun with it. Love you, guys
and excited to catch up to you guys. Kate sheher
ps Ian, your story about VMK was super relatable. My

(01:43:00):
sister and I were obsessed. We would fight so much
over who could use the computer for VMK that my
mom eventually broke down and let me use her work computer. Lol. Also,
you reserviced a memory of me adopting a dog insane
in retrospect, and I was way too young to understand
what was going on there, y'all. Kate just reserviced a

(01:43:21):
memory for me of what adopting a dog was because
there were no pets in the Virtual Magic Kingdom.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
You mean you were adopting a person.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
Yes, it was deeply fucking yep.

Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
Okay, Ian, we need you to walk in with me.
That's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
No, I know, no, I know they would because it
was it was Disney and it was like as if
you were at disney World. You could buy all the
hats that you could buy at Disney World. Yea, at
Disney World they famously sell goofy ears. So in the
same way that I got like a fake VMK family
and went to like go like adopt a kid, people
would change their rooms to be, you know, somewhere to

(01:44:00):
would like to be the dog pound, to be the pound.
And then if you wanted to be.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
A dog and you say bow wow.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
Yes literally, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, you would
type bow wow. You would type like our bow wow.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
And you'll have fun, y'all have fun with v MP.
I hope you had fun.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
Put on your goop.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
It was nefarious, frankly that we were doing this.

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
No, there's this, there's a there's an underlying sick. There's
like like freaking nasty.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
Full human on the other end of that internet line.

Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
Hey like, and I'm not here, yuck anyone saying.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
I'm like, you're my dog? Are you go hang out
with me? I was taen exactly, and I had this hum.
I was walking this human down the street saying, this
is my dog all about a sex crime that's sick
and twisted, that's deeply deranged, and Kate have bow wow.
I literally forgot that happened. But I'm so thrilled. I

(01:45:04):
let me tell you, BMK was so crucial to my
upbringing that I'm just of the assumption that, like everyone
loved VMK, no one's heard of it. I literally when
we talked about on the podcast, I was like, and
here come the flood of VMK emails, radio.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
Silence, No K.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
I am thrilled to know that one other person was
on VMK two funny, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
And this computer science joke.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
I agree. I think it's on purpose. The email fun
and cool.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
The rest of the email, PP.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
I thought you were I just started saying PPS while
you guys are immersing yourselves in vampire media. I highly
recommend checking out the book Bury Our Bones in the
Midnight Soil by V. E. Schwab. The author self describes
it as her toxic being a vampire book. Lena has
left the camera. I am predicting that she owns this

(01:46:07):
book and she's about to pull it up. Let's see
if I'm right.

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
I'm right right now. Oh my god, I just turned
on the television.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
That was the Were you reading it independent of this email?
Like you were already reading it?

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
Yeah? Oh it's my book club book.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Oh heck, yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
I mean I love theab this author, and I love
lesbian vampires, so of course.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
How is it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
It's very good so far. I'm not far. Heck, it's
very good so far.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
He Ya. Well, thank you Kate for the email. Thank
you for being a mk head. Thank you for being
aligned with Lina's book. Honestly, more of this in the future,
everyone taking over from Kate. Give us each a morsel.
We love that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
Give a morsel so.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
You can set us whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
What you want anyways, morsels for both or none of us.
Thank you so much for one of us.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Thank you so much for emailing in uh and now
back to Prophecy Goyle see you love you bye.

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(01:47:45):
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Please Did I tell you? I went to Taco Bell
the other day with my mom and the person at
the window looked at me like they were so haunted.
I was convinced they were me from the future. I
was like, the way they looked at me with like
such haunted familiarity, I was like, well, that has to
be me. They just didn't know that they would run

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into me.