BtVS S1E6 The Pack

Xander falls in with a group of kids who are a bad influence on him. They pick on other kids, they don't take school seriously, and they eat people alive, because they are actually hyena spirits in the bodies of human teenagers.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Should we share our mash results?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
We can. Let's share mash results. So for a Patreon
pre show today, along with talking about other things, we
played a game of Mash and here's what the future
holds for us.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Here I'll go for I'll tell Ian's because I did Ian's.
He is living in a house. He is married to
Christian Bale. His job is he is a late night host.
He has three kids. In His car is the subway.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Which, honestly I signed off on that life I said,
sounds good to me. Yeah, genuinely, nothing about that sounds bad.
If that happened, I would be thrilled, And I think
you feel similar way about what I feel a great
So Lena's life. She's married to me, lucky girl.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I do think honestly like if we were to lavender marriage,
I don't think that would be a bad I think
I think we had a good time.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
She has zero kids, her car is is a dog
pulled sled. Her house is a mansion. And how is
she affording this mansion? You may ask what is she
doing for work? Well, her job title is she is
a stay at home warmhole. You and Lena, how do

(01:16):
you feel about that?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
You know Okay, so on my spouse's honestly, hear me out,
I would not hate being married to Ian. We are
good friends. I think we're good, we're good partners. I
think we have been through a lot together. I think
I think lavender marriage with you would not be bad.
But on that list also we're Meghan the Stallion and

(01:38):
Adam Driver And do I want to be their stay
at home warmhole more than yours? Maybe? But I will
be your stay.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
You're leaving off a key name on that list, which
was chosen by me, but because I know Lena has
a history with them, which is mister Gold aka Rumpel
still Skin from ABC's Once Upon a Time, who Lena

(02:07):
used to maybe still does have a bit of a
crush on Got the cameras on.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Recovering Gleek presents a clear Buffy podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Hi, my name is Lena, my name is Ian, and
this is Lay.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Welcome. We're happy to have you, Thank you for being here.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
We're happy to have you, happy to be talking about
the pack, the pack of all packs. Yeah, obviously we
have to get into some slacks before we get to
the episode proper. But this spoiler alert was an episode
that when we decided to do this podcast, and I
was thinking about season one and like my distinct memories

(03:02):
of season one, this is like the first episode that
comes to mind for me.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
One.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I'm like the episode where a group of students eat
Principal Flutie alive.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well, yeah, it really.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Lost an impression on me that I've never forgotten.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
So interesting. I have seen this episode, but it is
certainly when I skip. It's only when I skip.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Girl, I didn't say it was good. I'm saying it's
the one I remember. I'm saying I'm.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Not my favorite episode we've seen so far.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I could never forget this episode because I remember watching
it for the first time and being like, what is
going on here? Yeah, yeah, he's wild.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
It's really wild, and I'm like, I don't know to
have I mean, it's a really great allegory four for bullying.
It's a really great allegory for how like how seductive
it can.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Be and my clicks work.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
And yeah, I think none of that is bad. I
do think it is one of some of the most
insane television I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Oh absolutely, I have to say this.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Before we even begin. They eat the school mascot first,
and I fucking hated that. Oh my god hate Okay,
before we begin on what I was gonna say, this
is the the top fucking villain for me so far.
I'll take ten of the masters. I'll take ten fifte weeks.
I'll take ten evil moms before I take this pack

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of fucking idiots. I think they are sincerely so evil
and they also speak to a piece of my childhood
trauma of being something so fucking rude and then everyone laughing,
Oh my god, it like brought up feelings in me.
Last night. I was like, oh my god, I literally
hate this. I hated it so buffy. You should have

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killed them anyway. Honestly, if that was if you, if
I was about the you or Xander you did this
to me, I don't care. If you say you lost
your memory, I'm fucking killing you. You say that to
my Willow, I'm killing you. Anyway, what I was I
gonna say, I remember, I remember what I was gonna say. Okay,

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So there's also like a there's so much like, oh
my god, they really want us to it's so weird.
The pack, the titular pack. They move in slow motion
and as a group constantly They do it several times,
but one of the big ones is after they eat
the school mascot, the little pig, Herbert. Oh my god, Herbert,

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may he rest? I really fucking hated that. Uh. And
then they Saint Trinian's style, come up the stairs in
slow motion and move as a pack, and the blonde
kid in the back he does this like wipe his
mouth with his sleeve. I counted five times.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Hell yeah, five times.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
This is the thirty second thing. Wipe, wipe, wipe. I'm like,
oh my god. Stop. He had one move.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
The director was like, okay, so for this shot, remember
you've just eaten the pig, and just like, look really satisfied.
And that actor was like, what do you do when
you've just finished eating? You got? He made one choice
and he said, I'm making that choice as many times
as I can.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
I was like, oh my god, it was a lot
for me to eat five times.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Is he the same one that has that big glob
of drool when they see the baby? Is it?

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Oh my god? There?

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Because how many people are in this pack. There's four
of them, right, yes, Then it's the same guy.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, brunette guy nasty like the brunette woman. And the
blonde woman.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yes, blondes and brunettes famously famously evil, Jesus evil. No,
he's nasty because he also he is the big Jeweler.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Oh, the big no wonder. He was wiping his exactly.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Discussing he's got a Sally, he has a Salvary Glenn problem. Well,
he's producing too much, beto Jesus. All right, do you
want to tell us about this episode before we get to.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Oh yeah, it's time, Okay, Welcome to the Pack. The
Pack is the sixth episode of the first season of
Buffy the Vampire Slayer, in the sixth episode in the
series overall. It was written by Matt Kean with Joe
hiken Mayor Heineken my very slay name. Sorry, can't say it.

(07:44):
I should have googled it. I'm sorry, Joe Heinken Mayor
I think sorry. If I'm saying it wrong, I'm sorry.
And it was directed by Bruce Seth Green no relation.
It was originally broadcasted April seventh, nineteen ninety seven, on
the WE Network, had an audience of two point four
million households upon its original airing. As we have said before,

(08:06):
I have no idea how to conceptualize that. I don't
know if that's good or bad.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
But I've been I've been looking more into it because
I was editing that episode where we talked about if
that was good or bad for the nineties. I mean
this was on the WB, so like if it had
been airing on like NBC or ABC, I don't think
that's anything to write home about, sure, but for the

(08:33):
WB it was still pretty good. I was looking I
think Buffy. When Buffy was like at its peak peak,
I think it was about like five million a week.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Okay, well this is not this is like, yeah, almost
two point five million. I think that's probably, and especially
the sixth episode, the Master's not even in it. It's
just these weird kids eating a fucking principal flu to
a Jesus. Yeah, I can't conceptualize that. I'm sure it's
not that bad.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
These are the Persons podcast as I mentioned that give
me that stress me out because I just I know,
I've been thinking about this if because Glee was so
up our alley and so of our time, oh and

(09:20):
so like talking about Glee, it's like I know all
of these references. I know what this is. I lived this,
and I know that, Like, if I were to listen
to someone talk about Glee, just hearing them be like,
what is Facebook? How does that work? Would be like
frustrating to me. Yeah, I'd be like, oh my gosh.
And so, like I just feel stupid every time that

(09:41):
we're like, we reveal that we were one in two
years old in this episode.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
But we were and we can't change that though. Yeah,
and I understand and if people are listening in and
are feeling frustrated that we will say things we don't
understand references, I hear you, and there are things that
I I have empathy for that, but also we cannot
change that we were one and two when this episode
came out. I wasn't even one. I was like six
months old. I was baby.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, yeah you were. That baby stepped on that lady's
back that Blondie was driolling at.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
That was you.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Actually, it's your first credit on your resume.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Honestly, that baby is probably my age.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, let me tell you.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
The rest of what's going on here. So, despite being
credited as a series regular, Charisma Carpenter is absent from
this episode, and this is the first time in the
a series regular has been absent, which means they still
had to pay her for this episode. Good for you, Charisma,
but also I w wash you on the screen. All
the sequences shot at the Zoo were filmed at the
Santa Anna Zoo. And then during the dodgeball game, the

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pack defeats the opposing team easily, leaving Buffy as their
one standalone but instead of attacking her, they turn on
a lance their own teammate, showing how hyenas generally avoid
confronting powerful animals and they prey on the week instead.
So this is just you know, they're always they're putting
in pack tactics. They're putting in hyena like lore in here,
I guess one of the deleted scenes in here, And

(11:05):
I'm so glad they deleted this. I would have died
if they did this. So in the moment where Xander
is attacking Buffy around Herbert's cage, he was originally supposed
to say to her, welcome to the jungle. We got
funny game, so I'll just let that.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Also, also, you just don't live in the jungle, God
Savannah the Savannah.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Hello, you hosted the Disneyland thing the Disney World.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I know, I know, because I was giving tours on
the fake Savannah, and we have spotted hyaenas, and I
would drive by them and I'd say, those are spotted hyenas,
and then I would say a fact that I have.
I think the fact that I would say is that
they lived in a matriarchal society, which is true and
is something that this episode gets wrong.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
It does get wrong because.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
It has Kyle as the head and it should be
Miss BLONDEI or Miss Burnett.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
No, literally, what the hell.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Also other thing that this episode gets wrong is when
Willow has Xander in the cage and she's researching hyenas.
She's watching, first of all, the same ten second clip
on loop I know, and it's not a clip of hyenas.
It's African wild dogs, which are not part of the
hyena family at all.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
You're so good at animals, the good job.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I mean that. Also, I did recognize them once I
knew this, But I was looking up because I was
looking up something else about hyenas while watching the episode,
and I saw an article about this episode and they
were like, also, Willow's not watching hyenas. So the Internet
did tell me rearching, but it was before we got
to the scenes. So would I have recognized them myself?

(12:44):
I don't know and we'll never know.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Hey, damn, they couldn't even I mean it was Google.
I won't say it.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Us aging ourselves Google. They ask Jeeves Debt they.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Could have as that's so funny. All right, let me
talk about the music. Who's playing at the brond? You
ask the brond the bronze, excuse me, who's playing? So
we've got sprung Monkey again. Oh my god, So sprung Monkey.

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They're in Welcome to the hell Mouth proper. You see
them like a guy in a in a in a
royal blue button up, and then they're just The music
is in the next episode as well, and then this
episode there it's just sprung Monkey playing and you don't
see them. They're just you just hear it. So does

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this count as who's playing at the brons? I think so,
because hey, sprung Monkey, we're your big fans.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
It's and it's the mouth wiping scene, right.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
No, So when they go to the Bronze with like
and Willow or eating a croissant and goes, that's my croissant.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
It's my buttery. It was my buttery croissant. Yeah, she
says Croissant.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
I love that people did that. She did She probably
did so. Yeah, Sprung Monkey is playing while they're at
the bronze. The other songs that are played in this episode,
the song far by Job's Eyes is the song that
is playing while they are Saint Trinian's walking up the
stairs slow motion wiping their mouths post eating Herbert, I

(14:33):
miss you Herbert, so far by Job's Eyes. And then
another song that plays in this episode is Dashboard Profits.
All you Want, No, it's wait. So far is the
name of the band. Job's Eyes is the song Dashboard
Profits is the band. All you Want is the song
I was, I was confused. And let me say about

(14:53):
some different names of the episode in international the international titles,
most of them our Pack, some version of pack the Pack.
In Polish they call it animal Instinct, and then in
German it's the song of the Hyenas. Oh it's fun,
It's fun. And then we have we have three deaths

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in this episode, may they rest? Let me tell you
about him. We lose Herbert. Oh my god, I'll never
recover Robert Flutie. I will never recover. I honestly was
really sad that he passed I was, I kind of
loved him, and there was this moment when they were
eating him that they, oh my god, I literally made
kind of emo. They zoomed out on a portrait of him,

(15:39):
like standing smiling, like looking so sweet, like at the
front of his desk, like he's got such a good
self view. I guess that he has a picture of
himself on his desk to show that, and he's smiling
like he is so excited to be a principal. And honestly,
I do feel bad because Principle Flutie, while he is
like kind of I don't know how good of a

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principle he is, he does like I think, have you
know he tells Buffy Initially, he's like, you can be
whoever you want here. Oh wait, you run out of school. Okay,
I do have to keep an eye on you. I'm sorry.
Like he like comes at her with empathy, and I
think Teresa's his kids with empathy and is trying to
stop the bullying. So may you rest in peace, Principal Flutie.

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I was sad to see you go. And then the zookeeper.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
His name is Warick classic Werick.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Werreck, was giving me some chambers behavior.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, like what like when he like knew about.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Like trans what's transpossession? I was like, swooko, who knows
about transpossession?

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Chambers behavior when he rolled up in that like full
tribal makeup Chambers behavior behavior behavior, that's it.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
That's a okay, let's thing about Owen for a second.
And if like Owen was Chambers and like Chambers was
to go unchecked and actually like hang out with Buffy
all the time and like seek out craziness, and then
he would start seeking out power and then he would.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
He'd become worricked zoo teenagers.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Oh absolutely exactly, Like it's Chambers behavior.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
If Buffy had not broken up with Owen, he would
have become Warwick. It's the sliding doors of his life exactly. Hey,
us comparing these two characters that are on one episode
of this TV show and never heard of again, and
I love it.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
We only have six episodes to work with, y'all. And
that was those were reclucks slacks. Oh my god, sorry, I.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Got Thanks for the slacks, baby, I gotta recap you ready,
I am okay. Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer on
a field trip to the Zoo, Xander and a group
of delinquents get possessed by the spirits of a pack
of hyenas, yes really, Xander and his new pack begin
terrorizing students at Sunnydale High, including Willow. Their Hyaena behavior

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escalates into them eating the school mascot, a pig named Herbert,
and hyena Xander assaulting Buffy while the rest of his
pack cannibalized principal flute Rip to a legend. In an
attempt to reverse the possession, Buffy leads the Hyaena teens
back to the zoo, only to discover that their possession
was an unintended result of a ritual the zoo keeper

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wanted to perform on himself. The zoo keeper absorbs all
the hyena spirits, attempts to eat Willow rough week for her,
and is ultimately thrown into the hyena pit to suffer
the same fate as Flutey. The teens are teens again,
Flutie is dead, and Xander pretends he doesn't remember eating
a live pig, bullying his lifelong friend, or fully sexually
assaulting his new one. All's well, that ends well, I guess,

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and that's what you missed on Buffy Rip too. A
legend ip to a legend you No.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I'm serious, Buffy is better than me. I would have
killed Xander. I would have killed him.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
I hear me out. The revelation that Xander is faking
losing his memory because he's like too embarrassed about what
he did is so haunting to me because I genuinely,
like I understand the rules that are given to me
in this episode. The rules that are presented to me

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are they had no control over this, like something else
was possessing them. But so I like bear no ill
will towards Xander and the kids.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
But while the kids they were bullies, and.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
I know they were assholes already, but like those four
kids have to go the rest of their life with
the memory of eating a human being alive.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Straight they were terrors.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
It's gonna scare more than straight. They're gonna go to
a psych word like they how do you when they.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Have no Like, oh my god, do they like explain
it to these kids?

Speaker 2 (20:00):
That's what's and like they found I guess they talk
about there's like some cover story for what happened to
principal fluties. I guess no one else knows. But like
the how haunting. It would be. That's that's the random
lord drop that you give your kid. It's like thirty
years down the road and Kyle is just like sitting

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on the porch with his son, staring out into the wilderness,
and unprompted, he goes, you know, I alive live once,
and that sounds like what he's like. Yeah, it's a
beautiful sunset tonight. It's just like it would be echoing
around my skull for the rest of my life.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
My god. I also did I talk about what you
just mentioned. They gave it a cover story of principal
FOODI was eaten live by wild dogs in his office.
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (20:54):
But I think, but I think in Sunny Tony.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Dellon know that wild well, I mean they live on
the helm mouth. These kids are irrationalizing everything.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
I wouldn't. I think I would know. I think that's
not an uncommon cover story for sunny Dale. As people
is like, well, of course that happened. People die from
wild dogs all the time around here.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Oh my god, I guess you're right. But that's so
inswant the fuck.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
You know, it's insane.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
I love that. Oh okay, well, I'm not going to
school over again, I don't want to be eaten by
wild dogs. In my chemistry class.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
I also think about I also think about this family,
the family that the teens attack. That are like just
coming just coming home from dinner at a friend's house,
and suddenly four teenagers started climbing on their car, punched
open their window, and started grabbing at their like eight
year old son. The babies that would also haunt me

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for life too.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Oh my god. And then this, and then a girl
jumps on top of the car, does a cool pose
and then lures them away. I would talk about that.
I would like, I call the newspapers. I'd be like,
is anyone else seeing this?

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Because have no idea what's going on?

Speaker 1 (22:05):
The kids are not all right? The kids are all right,
They're not. I would I would simply make the connection.
If I was a mother and I would go to
a reporter, I would call the news. I'd be like,
did you hear.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
You're like, I don't think those were wild dogs.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
No, I think it was those twos.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
I think it was those wild teans to try to
kidnap my son.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
And not to mention mother and daughter on a little walk.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yes, you and your mom, me and my mom.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Me and Elise. We went on a walk and we
saw the pack of teens and they growled at us.
I would simply make the connection. I would simply not
go to some of the Sunnydale high No I do.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
We talked about this previously. I am like, one, I
think it is true that if you are from Sunnydale,
you're so used to crazy stuff happening that you're like,
this is just how the world works, Like you just
have no concept of like this is abnormal. Still, like
this is not happening all the time. And then also
you mentioned you posited a theory where it was like
maybe the hellmouth alters people's brains a little bit to

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just like make them wilfully ignorant towards stuff. Yeah, and
I also like that there's turning a blind eye.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, they're trying to a blind eye because magic and
demons and hyena spirits.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
But my other question, my other like, so what's this about?
Question is Sunnydale is a small town. According to Cordelia,
the good part of town is a block away from
the bad part of town. We don't have a lot
of town here. So where's this zoo? So where they
keeping this zoo. I was like, did they go to
the La Zoo?

Speaker 1 (23:43):
But is there like a really small Sunnydale Sue, There's
no way, but there's they have an elephant that.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Was not small. They has elephants. They had a whole
house for their hyenas. That's a fancy.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Zoo, fancy zoo zoo shout out.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
This is another thing when to keep an eye on.
On top of is the Bronze, a duo club coffee shop,
which there's more evidence towards that this episodevidence. I think
we also need to keep an eyeon of how small
with Sunnydale really, because this small town, in my memory
of the show, keeps getting bigger and bigger. The facilities
they have in this small town are crazy.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Literally hello, Yeah, and maybe I mean there is like
probably something to you grew up in this town, it
in your mind is very small. You go visit the
local like city and you're like, this is huge, and
you kind of lose perspective of your small town. Isn't
that small?

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:40):
I also also saying a block and a block like
Sunnydale is two blocks.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Like yeah, it's kind of.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
I also think there's something more to this show is
intentionally silly, in campy and not meant to be taken
this seriously. But I also think it's fun thought experiments, like,
it's not an knock on the show. I think it's
fun that Sunnydale has everything they need for the story
they want to tell. But I will keep bringing it
up because the fun thing.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
To think about. You're right, You're right, I love it.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
That was we released the TikTok about like how does
Darlin not know what the Slayer is? And someone commented
and they were like, well, it's almost like it was
episode one and the Lord hadn't been established yet, And
I was like, yes, we know, just having fun, We're
just being silly. You ever heard of being a silly billy?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Like?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Goodness akes, we love the show, it's not a knock
on it. What did you think of the pack?

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Listen, this is an episode I skip, and I would
probably skip it in my normal rewatch in the future.
I did like it more than I thought I would,
But I think that just speaks to I think the
show is very good. But yeah, no my fave we've
had so far? Mate? Dare I say my least fave
we've had so far? I just hate that. And you

(25:56):
don't think this is a bad thing. No, I do
think it's a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
What am I saying?

Speaker 1 (26:00):
I'm just like making a lot of excuses for the
show that I love so much. I'm gonna do a
lot of this. I don't want to watch Sander hurt
Buffy like this. I don't want to watch Sander hurt
Willa like this. I think it is, I mean, an
interesting thing about this show that is maybe good for
the audience to realize that we're playing fast and loose
with the roles of good and evil here like this.

(26:25):
You know, we are going to lose core members of
the group. We are going to you know, be possessed
every once in a while, people are gonna go bad.
So play Monster of the Week with us and we'll
have some fun. So I'm okay with that. I think
having Xander like go bad is fine. But I I

(26:47):
don't even like Xander that much. I don't, and so
I'm gonna hold this against him. If I was Buffy,
I would have killed him. This is awful. I don't
like to watch it. He says, welcome to the jungle
in her face.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, that was the biggest of all.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
No, Seriously, I can't believe they kept that.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
I like this episode more than you do. It certainly
is my least favorite so far. When it started out,
I was like, this episode is bad. I was like,
this episode's bad. This episode is a stinker. But they
go so far, like one thing about Buffy is they're
not gonna half ass a concept. They are going to

(27:22):
squeeze everything out of an idea that they can get,
and they take students are possessed by hyenas so far
that it looped around to being good again. For me,
I was like at the beginning when it was just
like there Xander's an asshole. Now I was rolling my eyes.

(27:43):
And then it was like, no, actually, these teenagers are
hungry for human flesh and like running on all fours.
And then I went, okay, so this is actually so
insane that I am sad and I am invested again,
and it ended up being fun and I had a
good time.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
I still think it's the weakest episode so far. I
still think it's one of the weaker episodes of the
series as a whole, but I have to respect it.
We've talked about in the past. The worst thing an
episode can be is boring and this one was not boring.
In the second half, a lot was going on.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
I hear what you're saying, and they really do. They
know how to commit to a bit. Yes, I respect it,
and also like too straight up they killed the fucking principle.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
They literally that, I'm not kidding. That's like that's the
chair on top of the episode, like no, we aren't
gonna have ass this. They kill a man in whole
blood and they and not a Rando a character you
know kids eyah live.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Oh my god, it was it was crazy and like
you know, they they like lose their their humanity throughout
the episode. They do a really good job at like yeah,
these kids, these four kids are actually so fucking rude.
I hate them, but they go from being bullies too,

(29:10):
like mindless eating people. Like they do a really good
job at like taking us on an arc of them
losing their humanity being possessed by the hyaena spirits. I
do have a question, Okay, I guess I'm not understanding this,
uh this possession So are they these spirits of the

(29:32):
hyenas that were in the zoo. So it's like Xander
hanging out as a hyena in the zoo or is
it just like I think they have another piece of
an evil spirit that goes into them.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
I think it's the second one. I don't think it
was like the Hyaenas that were in the zoo just
like stood there like statues after they transfer their spirits.
I think it's like they just have spirit show like
that dog in them gets put in No, the teens totally.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Oh, I honestly me personally, I'm a person and I
got that dog. Yeah, you know, so sometimes that dog
does take over more.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Other times that dog in them. It was it was
starting to really take over, starting to really take the rank.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Hey, I hear you that. Honestly, I was thinking that
last night. I was like, they got that dog in them.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, Okay, here's probably This is probably a good segue
to like the thing I really want to talk about
about this episode, which is that this episode is really
fun and I respect that they went so far with
this concept, and I think that's cool and ballsy and
campy and dumb. Sure, I do think the concept is
inherently a little racist and that body yes, no, I agree,

(30:46):
specifically because the whole concept is based on this belief
of the Massi people about animal possession and about how
you can be possessed by animals and act like animals,
except the Masside tribe doesn't believe in that at all.
They made it up. It just like feels it's very Yeah,
it's very like exoticism. It's very just like, well, Africa

(31:10):
is this like weird crazy place, so like who knows
what happens there? I was looking into it. There are
tribes in Africa that have belief systems or had belief
systems about where hyenas, about like human beings that would
transform into hyenas, And that's kind of like what this
episode is pulling from. Cool, the Messiah is not one

(31:34):
of those tribes.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
That's so weird.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, they just like picked a tribe out of a
hat and said this one. Yeah, and this is obviously
like that in and of itself is bad. But this
is something I have wanted to talk about from the pilot,
but I kept being like, how do I bring this
up organically? Which is I love The Vampire Slayer. It's
one of my favorite shows ever. It is incredibly Caucasian. Yeah,

(32:02):
there is like Narry a character of color in the
whole show. There are a few none of them are
main characters, and most of them are in like one
to three episodes and that's it. And they are rarely,
you know, centerpieces that we are really getting to understand
them and know them. And the writer's room in Buffy,

(32:26):
every single person was white. There is one episode in
all one hundred and forty four that was written by
someone who wasn't white, which, like, coming from Glee where
we were constantly talking about like how Glee wasn't the
best about race, the Buffy room is even less diverse
than the cleanroom was. Totally yeah, And I just like,

(32:48):
I keep wanting to mention it because I think it
is a very important critique of this show. But it's
just been like, but this episode, it is glaring that
it's you know, they make up a thing about a
tribe in Africa and say like, oh, this mystical, crazy thing.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, So that is something to keep in mind as
we talk about the show. And I still love the show,
and we will still all can tell you continue talk
about how much we love it, but the show is
bad about.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
And not say that. So thank you for bringing it up,
thank you for also looking that up. I think that's
probably more than the Buffy Rider's Room did. So I
appreciate that that's so interesting too, because I mean, this
is a guy who's trying to harness this thing for evil.

(33:39):
So I don't know that they're saying it's necessarily evil,
but one could infer that this like turning into a
ware hyena or like you know, this thing they're pulling
from or doing this trans Oh my god, a possession
is is inherently evil, and like you know, I just

(34:01):
think that that's so intense to put on a group
of people, and that's just not the case. Like we
in the States here have where wolves like that. I
don't know that, so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I will say, much like the European American mythology of
were wolves, where wolves in our mythology are viewed to
be evil, like any any piece of media that's like
pro werewolf, it's like subverting the the trope. And from
my limited research, for my limited research, to take it

(34:40):
with a grain of salt, where hyenas are believed to
be evil, it is like the hyena is viewed pretty
negatively round about in the animal kingdom because they are
like scavenger animals who are very, very vicious, So they
are kind of viewed in many cultures as a quote
unquote evil animal.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, but are they saying in this episode that the
transpossession is inherently evil like this tribe because they do
it is itself.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
They're saying, from my memory of what Giles says in
the episode, it's not like the Messiah people practice hyena possession.
It's the Messiah have a belief in that this is
a thing that happens.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Sure, so like there's like cults in that culture that
do it, but that doesn't mean like the culture as
a whole is doing it.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yeah, what they call it? What was the word that
they called? I should take notes when I watch these
there's so much war here watching Glee, you don't really
have to take I mean personally, I didn't really have
to take.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Because the writers were taking they weren't.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
No, they weren't no, and they're taking note.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
What was that a spark? Like, oh, my gosh, from
what I don't know, Huh, I think from my ring
light plug. Huh did you see that? No, it's just
like a spark, A spark shot out from Oh.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
That's really.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
And I think that's okay, And everything's gonna be okay, Yeah,
I think yep, it's definitely the ring light plug. Okay, cool,
So we're gonna continue. It's unplugged. We're safe now. That
was so scary. Wow, gosh, I need to buy another

(36:44):
one of those. Apparently, what were you saying that was
it shot down into my lap? That's why I like
jumped back.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
I thought you spilled something.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
I heard a pop and I looked down and there
was a flash of light and then I smelt smoke.
That's not your lap lap.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
I'm sure it's still. Oh jes, it works.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
It's because this is like fullyn and Ian all read problem,
as in, like I brought this on myself. One of
the wires is coming loose, and so I just covered
it with duct tape.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
How did that happen?

Speaker 2 (37:30):
And that was shifting.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
The wires are fucking exposed.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Tape.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
They're covered to duct tape. They're not exposed. Is not
electrical tape, babe.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
And so I was shifting in my chair and I
bumped the plug. So I'll have to get that changed
before I fill my next self tape.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
What were you saying?

Speaker 2 (37:50):
You were saying something you were talking about taking notes
on the show find.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
The Yeah, I was trying to find the word of
because they talk about the Messiah people and then they
also talk about another of people who do this do
this process, but I can't remember the name. Then you
then your lap lit on fire?

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah fair, wow, Wow, Okay, let's talk about this episode.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
I want to talk so it was so crazy.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
I want to talk about Principal Flutie because may rest
I really enjoyed him so much more this watch like
of the show too. He's such a fun character.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
I love having an authority figure who cares more about
coming off well than like actually getting stuff done. So
he like wants so badly for the kids to think
he's cool and to like think that he's a guy
that can trust. But then also I'm here if you
need a hug, but also I can't actually give you

(38:56):
a hug. Like, but ultimately like is concerned like nothing
possibly like I have to come out looking pristine and
we can't have anything going on that could put me
in a bad light. I just think that's a very
funny character to have on this show. And yeah, said
he's gone. He has a very funny line in this
episode where he walks up to the kids at the

(39:18):
zoo and he goes, what are you doing? And car
goes nothing, and he says, did I ask you to speak? Okay,
I guess I did.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
I guess I did shout out Principal. Yeah, I was
sad to see you go.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
It was this. Is this a spoiler? I don't know,
but it was supposed to be a running gag on
the show that they would keep cycling through principles that
like the principal would keep dying and they keep getting
new ones. But the next principle we get. The showrunners

(39:52):
and writers liked his characters so much that they're like, so, actually, no,
we're gonna We're gonna move forward.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
So he was like, famous, that's true.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
He was on start track. We'll talk about it when
he gets We'll talk about We'll talk about when he
gets here. It's a few episodes away.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
I want to talk about him. Now.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Do you have a friend, Do you have thoughts about
Principal Flutie that's about.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Principal fluty Uh? Yeah, I mean I agree. I like,
you know, I don't think I've ever thought about Principal
Flutie ever, And I don't know watching it this time
and like really like ticking through my feelings about it,
and I'm like, I know, I like him way more
than I have ever in my whole life. And that
was like surprising and interesting, and I just thought I

(40:37):
loved that. I just thought it was really fun and
you know, he was a funny character.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
And you know, yeah, and I love in teen shows
or shows about kids. I love an inept authority a figure.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Oh yeah, especially because your dads hate it. I love it.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Well, and especially I feel like as a teen, you
just feel like authority doesn't understand you and they don't
know what's going on, and occasionally you are incorrect about that.
But then also when you become an adult, you realize like, like,
oh my gosh, I actually was right about most of them.
No one really knows what's going on exactly. Everyone is

(41:12):
just faking it.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
I like all my like my dad and my uncles,
they were all I remember very distinctly, like at a
family party, all the dad's kind of going off on
how they hate that, like Disney dads are like bumbling idiots,
and I remember being like, first of all, I'm not
really thinking about that that much. And I also remember thinking, like, no,

(41:36):
you guys are you guys don't know what's going on?
You guys don't get us. And so when I see
media made for kids and teens where the adults aren't
getting what's going on, a it's you know, they don't
get what's going on, and be I think it's a
good they don't get what's going on.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, I also like don't want to be a have
a little hello fellow kids moment. But I remember at
that age, Yeah, if I saw a piece of media
where it was like the adults that was like aimed
at me and it was like the adults totally get
it and like they know what's best, I would be like, Okay,
you're talking down to me. You're treating me like I'm
an idiot exactly. And so to have I think Buffy

(42:17):
does a good job where it is like Joyce ultimately
does want what's best for Buffy, Giles ultimately like is helpful,
but like they have moments of not getting it, and
so it does a good job of being like you
shouldn't like disregard the adults in your life, but also
like take it all with a grain of salt.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yes. A great example of that in this episode is
Giles when Buffy goes to him and is like, Xander
is acting crazy, like he is, he's being dangerous. He
is hanging out with this pack. I'm gonna call him
the pack. It's something is wrong, and he's like, uh, yeah,
it's called testosterone, babe, like it'll drive you crazy, which

(42:57):
I mean, there's some truth to heller, but it's all
so like he wasn't taking her seriously, he wasn't listening
to her. He wouldn't crack a boat, crack a book
because like he he just didn't believe her, Like he
didn't believe what was going on, and he just assumed
that she didn't get was what was actually happening because
she's she's a girl.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
I still have moments with my parents like that where
like yeah, times when I said like, this is happening
and they were like, you're being silly, No it's not,
and then it was confirmed to be happening, and I
still hold on to it, and I'm like you and
I ignore the like thirty thousand times at the opposite
was true, and I'm like, but this time I was right,
and you disregarded what I said, and I'll never forget it.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
I broke my ankle when I was in like sixth grade.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
I did have the same thing with my wrist. They
didn't take me to the doctor for three days.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yes, no, they didn't. My mom, she just waited a day.
But I like, my I had to like I broke
my ankle like through my growth plate, like it was
actually a huge problem. Yeah, it was really bad. But
my mom was like, no, come on, you're faking it,
and like I thought, it was like fucking lying. And
then they took me to the to the doctor and
the doctor's like, yeah, this is a really bad break,

(44:06):
like we're going to have to do some work on this.
And I was like, mom, and I still hold it
against her. I'm like, come on, I can't believe you
didn't take me to the doctor. I can't believe they
waited three days.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Mine was not a huge break. Mine was a crack,
so it was droken, but it didn't even go all
the way through the bone. And that's why they were like,
nothing is wrong. You can still move your hand. But
I was like, sure, but it.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Hurts to move. And it was like gain, just me
and the dude A should.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
So I cracked the bone on Saturday morning, and they
took me to the doctor Monday after school. I like
went to school with a broken wrist. But it was
bad enough, Like it wasn't like a clean break, but
it was bad enough that I had to get a cast.
I had to get a cast for like, I don't
weeks months. My concept of time for that age is

(44:53):
very murky.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
No, I hear you, And you know, I've got like
empathy for my parents. I've got empathy for my mom
in that situation, and especially like the healthcare system is
so fucked.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, hundreds of dollars and the doctor's like, yeah, nothing's wrong.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Like nothing's wrong, like you just twisted it. Sorry, you know,
So I understand wanting to wait. I remember that one
just and I'm sure that there were instances where I
went to the doctor and they were like, okay, well
nothing like So I understand. I've got empathy and the
healthcare system is so fucked so yeah, but that one
was tough. Yeah, but yeah, like parents, Like there's so

(45:31):
many moments where I remember my mom like didn't believe me,
or you know, just like was saying it was one
thing when it was actually a different thing.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
And and that's that's why the Buffy John's relationship is
so good. I I don't know, I'm just trying to
I'm gonna be honest. I'm trying to get us back
on Buffy. That's what I'm doing, sure, but like, oh no, no, no, no,
don't apologize doing it too. But I'm I was just
trying to get us back to to the sort of hand.

(46:02):
But I like that he is an authority figure over her,
and yet she can outsmart him and she can be
correct and he can be wrong. But then there's also
times when he needs she needs to listen to him,
and he like actually can guide her. They just have
a very realistic, honest relationship. I'm a big fan of it.
I'm a huge fan of the scene in this episode
when she is training and he has the like gloves on.

(46:25):
She's punching and kicking them and he is clearly terrified
for his life as she's doing it. Very funny, very funny.
I love I love Giles, I love his relationship with Buffy.
I'm a big fan. And then like the second that
he realizes that he was wrong, he owns it, he

(46:46):
apologizes and he goes all in and really takes it
seriously and goes himself to the zoo and is the
one who puts together that Warwick has chambered chambers tendencies
and is actually evil. Yeah, Rupert Giles, you're cool, dude.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
You are cool, dude. I mean he didn't figure it
out until unfortunately too late, but I.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Mean figured it out about the same time I did.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
I literally, oh did you?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
I was writing in my notes, I was like, this
zoo is so stupid. Why did they paint the ceremonial
circle on the floor of the Hyaena house. This was inevitable.
Of course it was gonna happen, and it never occurred
to me like, yeah, it was on purpose. The zoo
keeper was trying to get a hyaenas Mirid. Giles put
it together before I did. Baby. I have so many

(47:34):
notes where I'm complaining about, like why would they have
painted that circle on the ground? And then I have
a note during that scenere I'm like, Okay, never mind,
I'm stupid.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
See that's the thing, is I When he as soon
as he said, uh, transpossession, I was like, no, a
random zoo keeper who knows about transpossession. I'm out.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
See that's that's the other thing. Once again, sometimes I'm
dumb as rocks, I wrote. I was like, I don't
really buy that the zoo keeper would be so willing
to believe them, Like, yeah, yeah, that's that's a hint.
That's a hint at something sinister going on. Maybe take
your head out of your ass. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Sometimes I just watch things so naively.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
I hear you, I hear what you're you're I think
I think it speaks to you've got an inquisitive mind
and you're trying to like find.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Do I have an inquisitive mind? If they're telegraphing clues
to me and I'm like, well, this is sloppy writing
instead of putting together that it's a clue, I.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Think that's mystery for you, though, I think it's I.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Think I think I think that's narcissism and me thinking
that I'm smarter than the writers and being like this
couldn't have been on purpose. They're simply overlooking something.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Hey, anyways, maybe it's that. Maybe it's that don't be
a Xander is so mean to Willow and he is
a stress. It made me sick. It made me sick.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
That's something I like about this episode. I like, obviously
don't enjoy watching him be mean, but Buffy does a
very good job, not always, but most of the time
at handling the same topics that you will see on
like a very special episode of Saved by the Bell,
And whereas it's so corny and over the top and
so like after school special on Saved by the Bell

(49:26):
or any other sycom of the era, on Buffy, because
there is the occult element, it can still be silly
and fun. So ultimately, this is that same episode on
every TV show that's like the dangers of peer pressure
and how you don't want to get in with the
wrong crowd and how they're going to change you and
you're gonna be mean to your friends and YadA, YadA, YadA,

(49:48):
and you're not gonna like who you become. But who
he's becoming is a hyena. And that's silly and fun.
And therefore, instead of coming off as corny, it's like
exciting and weird. Sure, I'm into it, and I yeah,
and it obviously it's hard to watch, but yeah, it's
a very clear moral and the fact that moral is

(50:09):
in a hyena shaped box is fun.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Yeah, it's kind of fun. Yeah, And I mean It
is such a good allegory. Four. How like getting roped
in with the wrong crowd, you can become something you
didn't know like a month ago, you know, like I
knew I had. You know, I had plenty of friends
of mine who became hyenas.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Yeah. Well, especially the whole like praying on the weaker aspect.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I especially remember in middle school more so than high school.
I feel like middle school, at least in my experience,
high school obviously like wasn't amazing and was still cutthroat,
but like middle school was where the trauma was happening.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
I don't know if you had a similar experience.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Oh yeah, but really tough.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yeah. Middle school was like everyone was so self conscious
and hated that. This is like the mentality I feel
like everyone had. Was like I am so self conscious,
I hate so many things about myself. I feel so
uncomfortable with my own skin that I need to make
sure that the attention is on someone else at all times. Yes,
And so like the minute that you saw that someone

(51:15):
else was being noticed for something bad, it was this
immense relief of oh my gosh, Noah is noticing me,
Like the heat is off me, the heat is on them,
and that leads so much to kids then dog piling
on each other because it's like, as long as you
are being ridiculed, I'm not being ridiculed, and I'm safe,
and I think hyenas. Yeah, it's a great allegory for that.

(51:41):
They're known to. Yeah, they're known to go after week
pray and tear them apart and also laugh and also laugh.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yes, hey, it's terrifying. I think it works. I think
it works too. I think it works too. Again, I've
said it like probably three times. I'd kill Xander. This
is it's just a tough it's a tough watch, but
it is a really strong allegory and it makes a
lot of sense. And before you even understand what's happening,

(52:08):
this looks like this looks like regular day to day bullying. Yeah,
you know, and then it turns into eating your principle alive,
and that's it's.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
A fun journey the bullies.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
I liked this episode way more than I thought I
was going to.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
The bullies did do that on my high school. I
do remember that, but.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
You know, yeah, had they covered up there?

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Wild geese, well, geese geese are crazy.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
I here you am.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I should have said, have Alena's there's no geese in Arizona.
There are some geese in Arizona. I do remember specifically
a time. This wasn't at school, though, but I was
somewhere and a have Alena had gotten loose in the
neighborhood and was walking outside and everyone was like, do
not leave the house. There is a have Aolena. Have
Alena is like a wild pig. Oh yeah, it's like

(52:56):
a razorback. Yeah yeah. People are like, dunk outside, there
is a Havevelina. It might get violent and attack.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Damn. Speaking of razorbacks. Their gym outfits are cute as
fucking hell. They are so I love the burgundy plus
yellow is beautiful. But everyone being able to like kind
of mix and match and wear some version of yellow
and burgundy and these oh my god, this iconic Sunnydale

(53:27):
like art shirts. I need some of this.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Merch stat Oh I agree, and.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Like even like one of the one of the PAC
members is wearing like a cutoff, Like what, I have
to ask you a question? What were they not wearing
yellow and blue? Oh my god, you're kidding. Yeah, no,
they're wearing burgundy.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
What they're not?

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Are you okay, blue. Do you know Sunnydale colors?

Speaker 3 (54:02):
No?

Speaker 1 (54:03):
What you didn't own Sunnydale merch growing up?

Speaker 2 (54:07):
No? Because, oh my gosh, you're literally you're so right.
I'm looking at it now. Oh yeah. My issue was
I wanted Sunnydale High merch that looked like I attended
school at Sunnydale High. But all the merch I had

(54:29):
was too like aware of the TV show, so it'd
be like Sunnydale High, but there was like a snake
coming out of the logo and like fire and like
vampire fans, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, I
don't want like Sunnydale High from Buffet Vampire Slayer. Like
I need people to think I actually went to this

(54:49):
high school unless they are deeply familiar with the TV show.
E same. I hate when it's telegraphing like this is
from a piece of media. I just want a Sunnydale
High shirt. I apologize. I literally, in my mind's eye,
they are so clearly wearing yellow and blue. I don't
know what's yeah, continue they look very good in their
yellow and vigny they do.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
I just think the costumer. I think the costumer is what.
We haven't mentioned this very much. We fucking should. The
fashion on this show is so damn good. Buffy's wearing
this like trench coat plus like neck scarf. It's awesome.
But I think that showing everyone's like school uniform track

(55:34):
gym clothes is such an interesting way to like dress
people kind of differently, because I mean, I didn't have
a in junior high. We did have a uniform that
we had to wear. We had to wear like a
shirt plus like drawstring shorts. But I think that this
does happen where they have like you can wear just
like anything in within these like six categories, and like

(55:58):
to see how others mix and match it, I think
is really cute and to see I think I see
like their personalities, like Buffy is wearing these like burgundy
sweats plus this like yellow cami, and everyone is like
everyone looks really like different but also like cohesive. It's
freakly beautiful and they're wearing burgundy.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
You are correct. That scene was the turning point of
the episode for me. Up until that scene, I really
wasn't enjoying it. And that scene is so ridiculous. He
like slow mo, no dialogue, Buffy versus the pack in

(56:38):
Dodgeball and they're taking it so incredibly seriously, and I
was like, okay, so actually this is hilarious. This is
the funny, hilarious and interesting, like spotlight on hyena behavior.
Supposedly that they always go after the weakest one, and
their team is against Buffy's team and it's only Buffy

(57:01):
standing and they can't get Buffy. So then they eat
one of their own and they start throwing dodgeballs at
Lance even though he's fully on their team.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Oh my gosh, this poor kid, Poor Lance.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
My thing is like, not poor Lance. He was five
seconds away from eating his principal.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
He is.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
He is lucky that they threw him to the ground
before the hyena possession happened, because he was in the
Hyaena house with them and now they got to go
through life with that trauma. Lance has trauma like getting
hit by some dodgeballs, which sure sucks, but he's not
gonna end up in a psych word over that. He's
not gonna be sitting at dinner and randomly burst into

(57:40):
tears in thirty years because he got hit by a
dodgeball like Kyle is.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
I mean, they are pretty mean to him, but I
hear what you're saying. Yeah, gosh, to live with the
trauma of eating eating your principle. It's like, do you
think Xander got together with them and was like, let's.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Let's not let's never talk about like it's a I
know what you did last summer situation where he's like
this never got Sarah Michelle Geller, where he's like, this
never happened. These last however long like this last week
that did not happen. We don't remember any of it,
and we're never gonna talk about it again.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
And we're not eating meat. We're vegetabi.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
We're all vegetarians now.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Honestly, I love that.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
I hope to God that these like the four Pack
that they like turn their life around because they are
even like bullying Buffy. It's like, oh my god, she
is unbulliable. She is she's got such a strong sense
of self, like, stop bullying now.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
She actually is unbulliable because that first scene when she's
in the trench coat and has the ascot if I
went up to someone and I was trying to be
like so cool and badass and mean, and I said
to them, oh my, and they're all and I said
to them, oh, look, it's Buffy. And all of her friends,

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and she responded, that's witty. I would burst into tears.
I'd be like, I'm literally I'm so embarrassed that that
was her response. I actually need to rethink my entire personality.
That's humiliating.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
I feel that ways so much. When I watch Buffy
move through the world, I'm like, how do I become
more like her? Especially in that moment when I was
a kid, I was so and I mean I'm still
very very very very very sensitive, and like I remember
when kids would say things to me. I still remember
like everything. So even like as Buffy, they're like, well,

(59:39):
how do you feel about not having friends? She's like,
I guess I'm just lucky. Like you know, she's so cool.
Oh my god, She's like, I don't give a shit
what these kids are saying about me. They're nothing and
they are Buffy, I love you. How do we be
more likely like you? And even like she's so good
at like talking with Willow too, about like after Willow

(01:00:00):
Xander says something so rude to her and Willa's crying
and She's like, it's just you know, I'm pathetic, and
he doesn't want to be my friend anymore. And you
know he loves you and he hates me, and Buffy
is like something else is going on. He would never
like she just like does such a good job at
rationalizing in that situation, which I would never be able

(01:00:22):
to do. I'd be like, we have to kill Xander,
like so like her being like, no, something is going wrong,
this isn't him. She is so good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
You are so you could not get over the fact
that Xander Harris made it through this episode alive.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
He was possessed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
None of those were his own actions.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
But it and then he didn't even he didn't. He
also didn't own up to it. If that was me
and that happened, I would spend the rest of my
life trying to atone for that, you know what I mean? Like,
I know it's also but what the fuck he did it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
But I also like, girl, that's traumatizing, Like I can
understand he didn't do the right thing, I guess, but
also like I can understand doing I know what you
did last summer and being like, I'm gonna pretend I
don't remember that it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
He has to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
He's haunted by the memory of him eating a pig
alive and then bullying his friends, didn't trying and no,
for real, that's the only reason he didn't transfer schools
like the rest of them. Yeah, so I don't blame
him for playing dumb, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Also do blame him. I think that he was possessed.
But he does remember enough and he but he won't
own up and say I'm sorry. Like, I know he
didn't do it, but especially the assaulting, but like him
assaulting Buffy and just act like that never happened. I

(01:01:55):
don't like that. No, I understood what you're saying, and
I know he didn't do it, like, but he did,
and Buffy still had to go through that, Will also
had to go through that. That is will live with
them forever.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
I understand he was a part of that, and I
think he like probably this is also such a we're
stenting so much time on this hypothetical. I understand, and like,
do I think that that probably was the more mature decision. Yeah,
but also like I understand why he chose to just
play dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Yeah, I'm not saying it was the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Right decision, but I'm like, I also get why he
did it. I'm trying to think of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
He was possessed it wasn't him, I hear you. Yeah,
but also, Buffy's better than me kill him. I'm also
have you ever just heard of being silly? No?

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
I haven't. I haven't. I don't like these thought experiments.
I think we're taking the show too seriously. I do
want to talk on the other end of Buffy being
like the most self assured girl in the entire world.
I love Willow being the most unassured girl and it
is much more frankly relatable. It is like Buffy is

(01:03:14):
like the girl you aspire to be, and then Willow
is the girl that you are.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
The very first moment in the Bronze, this is the
first interaction they have with Xander where he is a
hyena and he walks up and he clearly is you know,
there's been a change. He clearly has an attitude, and
Willow's immediate knee jerk reaction is is something wrong? Did
I do something? Like she just is so certain that

(01:03:39):
people don't like her and if someone likes her, it's
only a matter of time until the other shoe drops.
And then to see those fears get quote unquote validated
in this episode, like, oh, I think that's something that
everyone can relate to where you feel like I'm unlovable
and then you have someone that you thought loved you
and then they suddenly don't like you all anymore, and

(01:04:00):
you're like, I was right, I knew it all along.
It's just so heartbreaking to see her go through this,
and I like it. I think it's compelling.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
I agree. There's even that moment too, where she is like,
Xander hits her in dodgeball, which I hate dodgeball. I'm
so glad that. I mean, do people still do dodgeball?

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
I know I haven't been in school in years.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
That's true, or a little long in the tooth, But
there's that moment where Willow is Xander hits her and
then she walks away and she is like that was
the most personal thing, and she like, I feel like
I just related to that so much. Like I even
like play games with my friends sometimes and I am

(01:04:46):
like they do something that like hinders my my game
on this fucking board game, and I'm like, you hate me,
you hate me so much, and I take it super personally.
And I saw her face and I was like, oh god,
I've been there, girl, I have been there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Yeah. Wille Rosenberg Willow. I love you, sensitive girl.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
She's a tough week for Willow, Like you said.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Really bad week for Willow. She also, oh, my gosh,
sensitive girl is so trusting when she shows up to
the Hyena house and Work is there and immediately starts
tying her up, and she just lets.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Him do it. She's like, oh, this is part of
the ritual, I guess, Willow, but she also knew she
was well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
She's also once he puts the knife to her throat,
that's when she's like, I think something is going on,
but like, no effort to fight back at all. I
just And it also makes her arc through the show
really special. I think it's so I'm trying to think

(01:05:49):
of like a proper adjective. I think it's so interesting
to have Willow who is like, and I mean this
with love, a massive doormat. At the beginning of the show,
like a man tie her up and she's like, well,
I don't want to be impolite, so I guess you
can tie me up. He must have a reason to.
But despite the fact that she is a massive doormat,

(01:06:09):
she has this inherent sense of good and wanting to
do the right thing. So we see moments like last
week where she will go to the crypt and fight
a vampire because she knows that's the right thing to do,
or in the Witch that she will fight Amy's mom
because she knows that's the right thing to do. And
even though she is like so scared of everything and
very very sensitive, she does know like she is still

(01:06:34):
gonna swallow her fear and put her dukes up when
it is time to go exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
I love you, Willow. I think that's such a good thought.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Hey, God, Bla Rosenberg, shout out love you. Well, is
there to talk about? I do want to shout out you.
Talked about the costume in this episode and the whole show,
and I agree they're very cool. I was two years
old when this episode came out. I don't know what
the kid's cool kids were wearing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
He was wearing Onesies.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Yes, But when we're first introduced to the Hyena Meine
kids and they are like the delinuents, the n'ar duels
of sunny Dale High, and Kyle is wearing a bright
yellow button up shirt and long plaid pants, I said.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Is this accurate? You can't bully me?

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
I say, you can't bully me? In that outfit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
What are you wearing?

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
And not even like it was ugly, more just like,
why is your preppy ass acting like you're some bad kid?
What's going on here?

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Okay? I do the costuming for the pack gets really
they they start in these brighter colors and they move
to a really dark palette, so they I do appreciate. Wow,
like what the fuck is he wearing. It's also like
like yeah, exactly, it adds to the darkness because even Xander,
he starts in this like really like bright and bold

(01:07:57):
like shirt, and then at the end too, he goes
back to his bright and bold stuff, but they like
start wearing more.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Yeah, more darks. You're correct, you are correct.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
So I think it's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
And I also the actors in the pack, I'll look
thirty years old.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Oh I literally I thought the same. I was like,
these are adults, Like, these are adults.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I was like, oh, you all are so mean because
you've been held back ten times.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Yeah, your super sen Yes, i'd be mean to I
would also be so bitter in an asshole to everyone.
I'm glad you're transferred.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Oh my god, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
They also they're giving cullins in the funniest way. Yes,
they were, Oh my god, like you know, they all
they all have like like Alice Pixie cuts plus one blonde,
one brunette, one blonde, one brunette.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
And I also dig get the vibe that they were
all sleeping with each other. Well Sep in the park.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Yeah, and Xander he was joining in on that too, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but they were sleeping with each other.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Before you calling them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
They were giving collins, especially when Xander joins. He's the
headword of their their past.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Well and famously Edward didn't have a mate in the colons,
so it's still works. Blonde girl brought blonde girls Rosalie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Who's she with?

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Is it blonde and blonde and Brenette Brenette or do
they mix a match? I don't remember they mix it match?
They mix a match. Well, that works better because Kyle's giving.
That's just like exactly, Kyle's giving Emmett what mouth wiper
is jasper, That's why. And then miss Brenette, that's obvious
giving Alice. What is that? It doesn't matter, but that's

(01:09:47):
giving Alice, it's giving. They were when.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
They were doing their smet Trinians. I keep saying but
when they walk up in slow it's given. When they
come into the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Yeah, who is that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
And one of them is holding a bag of eggs
and then he is protein. Come on, he does you
see how buff he is? That is?

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
It's true funny. Oh that's an amazing thought. Thank you
for sharing that that is.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Wow. I have watched the episode now, I rewatched Twilight.
Watched Twilight. Any other thoughts of this episode?

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
It's is this interesting? This episode is so interesting? It
is like obviously months of the week. But they also
like there's like no outside forces, you know, there's no
other there's joices in here, angels in here. Cordelia isn't here.
They focus really hard on the pack and Xander especially,

(01:11:06):
and it wasn't like I didn't I wasn't like I
was obviously missing Cordelia obviously, but I feel like I
understood where they were going, what they were going for
having the plot be so tight. I thought it was interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
And I feel like something I respect about this show
is it is a show that, as we continue to watch,
it will juggle so many characters, and I feel like
it does a good job of giving character stuff to do,
and then if there's nothing for them to do, it's like, okay,
well then we'll cut them out of this episode. We'll
have next time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Yeah, yeah, totally. I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Yeah, because I think.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
That's something that Glee struggles with, where they're like, we
have to reach our quota.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
So they were having Jennah quite give one line an
episode for like forty five episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Yeah, and I'd rather Jenna just get paid.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
And stay at home. Well that was like, not to
talk about Glee too much, but that's like when Jamie
Mays at the end of season three was like, Okay, so, actually,
you can't keep making me do this. You can't keep
making me come to set every day and say one line.
So from here on out, I'm no longer a main
cast member. If you want me on set, you are
giving me something to do. And then season four is

(01:12:18):
Emma's best season because she's in half as many episodes,
but the episode she's in, she's getting full plots. Hey, hey,
hey gets it, Buffy gets it. I feel like they
have that problem a lot less Thinkle did. My last
two thoughts are just silly. One. The Bronze is a

(01:12:41):
bar coffee shop. Buffy got a buttery croissant, and Will
got raisinets at the bron.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
That's so funny because in the first episode she's eating
a box of raisins, remember.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Girl, and the brons is famous for him, and the
Bronze is famous for him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
They've got really good raisins the reason it's in house.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
And then they put them in the the the California
Raise its box if you look. If you look, it's
like raisin nuts, but it has like a hyphen so
like legally they can't be sued over it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Yeah, oh my god, do you like reasons?

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
I love it? I love them, Yeah, of course they
And there's one thing we know about me, it is
that I have digestive issues.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Yeah, seeing them and the Bronze is so funny to me.
There is really nothing that I can think of in
my life that is park club park coffee shop, and
I want there to be one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Well, And that's why that's what I love about sunny
Dale genuinely, is like this town is so small that
the teens and the adults and the people who just
need free Wi Fi are all going to the same place,
and yet we have our own zoo. Like that is

(01:14:00):
if we diverted that money into making like one other
restaurant or regular, just like a regular watering hole. They're
trying there because they're really trying to get tourists, so like,
we don't need local amenities, we need a zoo to
get that Taurus money. Yeah. My other thought is, I

(01:14:24):
don't know if I just started picking up on it
this episode or if it really is the most egregious
has been yet. I was really noticing Sarah Michelle Geller's
stunt double in this episode, specifically in her fight with Warwick.
There is like a split second frame where you can
see the stunt double's face, but mostly Sarah Michell's got

(01:14:44):
her hair down so that when they do the stunt double,
they can like have the hair be whipping around, but
they put the stunt double in like the biggest wig possible,
so that the hair is flying all over the place
and scaring her face at every shot. It was making
me giggle. I was doing so much work to keep

(01:15:05):
her identity hidden, and I thought it was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Shout out to stunt doubles. They had to do all
that with their hair on their face. Oh my god,
that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Yeah, that's a season rap and a series wrap on
the pack.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Our next episode, the next episode of Buffy will be
talking about, is a big one. I would say maybe
the biggest episode of season one, like the season finale
might be bigger, but this is the second.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Biggest episode, number one, I'm number two exactly. If you
just pay well, that's on. I'm excited. I'm really excited.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
I always think of that. What is the actual lyric
in that verse? You can't stand me? I don't blame you,
blame you. The interviewing with Katia where she goes I
always thought that lyric was stupid. It's like, you don't
like me.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
I don't either. I don't either.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
You don't like me, I don't either. So we're talking
about Angel. Our next the next Buffy episode will be
talking about is Angel. So shout out. You can send
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(01:16:24):
glad you said it. But before we talk about that,
we're gonna talk about our worst partner. Best part of
this episode, let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Worst part, best part.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
I think we'll probably have the same worst part probably, Yeah,
what's yours?

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Yeah, well, I mean I appreciate you bringing it up there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Okay, yes, we do the same worst pot.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
I mean that is racist.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Yeah, the like tribalism, mumbo jumbo.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
It's not Yeah, it's not appropriate. Like, do you have
an all white group of writers take a real tribe
in Africa and say this evil thing that they're doing
and just like throw, you know, occult stuff on top
of what is like a real a real group of

(01:17:14):
people with no research or anything. I just think it's
not appropriate, and like there is a world they could
I don't know, don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Yeah, I'm like I'm fine with and I mean take
what I'm saying with a huge block assault. I'm just
like I got my limited perspective, but like I'm cool
with hyena possession. I think the hyena makes sense. It
is an animal that famously prays on the week and
is like work moves as a pack. It is an

(01:17:45):
animal that really works for the story they're telling. The
need to put African tribalism on top of it, especially
that's not based in any fact about the Massai tribe. Yes,
it's gross.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Yeah, and there's so much like a cult stuff that
the show pulls from, and I don't know, like, let's
do some more research, let's do some more like let's
like move forward with some empathy and like curiosity, you know. Yeah, yeah,
so that's our worst part. What's your best part?

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
My best part is this is such a stupid idea
for an episode, and it easily could have been a
huge flop, but they lean so hard into them being
hyenas and they go so full hog with it that
it turns a corner into being campy and funny and ridiculous.

(01:18:39):
And that's my best part is I'm glad that they
went as far with it as they did because it
saved the episode for me. Yeah, I hear you them
jumping on that car and punching open a window. I
was like, and this is why I watched Bucky the
Vampire Slayer.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
I love that. And then also Buffy on top of
the car looking like a superhero being like, do you
know what you want? Let's go? Oh my god, And
then that brings me to my best part. Excuse me,
that brings me my best part, which is this is
gonna be my best part for so many episodes. I
love Buffy Summers. I think she is she is everything

(01:19:17):
to me. I want to be like her. And she
is like an incredibly empathetic, wonderful, amazing, strong, compassionate, bad
fucking ass mother trucker. And I just think this episode
she has so many amazing moments of like being super
empathetic with Willow, but also like, you know, she is unbelievable.

(01:19:41):
She has such a beautiful, like strong sense of self
and she knows I just want to be more like her. Yeah,
I love you, Buffy. I think you're so awesome. I
think we should have a show all about you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
I agree, Let's write a show about Buffy Summers. She's
a great character. And maybe hear me out a comic spinoff.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
I don't know. Ooh ooh, maybe well that may follow us.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
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do little mini episodes just for patrons where we're talking
about because we're recording these episodes so far in advance.

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Yeah that to talk about like what we're enjoying in
pop culture. By the time this releases, everyone will be like, yeah,
I saw Thunderbolts two months ago. Because we are big
pop culture kids, we love to talk about the stuff
we're watching. So we'll be releasing those on Patreon soethern
more up to date, so you can find that there. Also,
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Thank you for listening, thank you for being here, thank
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Bye everyone, and heck ya hek you love you guys,
all right?

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Bye bye.

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Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
Now, I feel like I've had so many touching col
difficulties this episode that like, I feel like I'm a
hypochondriac for like technology symptoms for technology where I feel
like I felt a warm airpocket and I'm like something
something's on fire, But realistically the warm air pocket is
nothing near anything technological. And then as I moved towards them,
none of them are hot. So I'm just making stuff

(01:23:15):
up at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Yeah, but I hear, honestly, you had a whole a
fucking spark go off in your lap, Like that's I
don't think you're weird for feeling this way.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
Genuinely, the technology of my room is trying to kill me.