BtVS S1E8 I, Robot...You Jane

Willow learns the hard way that people you meet online could actually be much older than they say. Like centuries older. And also a demon.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're gay. Do you ever feel like I'm your internet boyfriend?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
That honestly a great point.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yeah I do.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Do you ever feel like I'm your Internet girlfriend?

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Yeah? Definitely. I was literally like internet friends, that's freaking weird.
And I mean, I don't know that I would consider
you my internet friend. But we live so far apart
and we only see each other on the internet. Now,
I was like, the hell has internet friends? And I
was like, wait, I do have a podcast with one
I know. Seriously, I mean we're huge internet friends.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Also beyond like you and I, you know, we were
real life friends for a long time for you know,
before we get internet friends. But we do both have
friends that were originally internet friends.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
No, seriously, I have friends who like live in Ireland, you.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Know, yeah, so Will Rosenberg, I get yub No seriously,
would I let them influence me to try and kill
my classmate?

Speaker 1 (00:55):
I don't think so, But anything, it's possible recovering Gleek
presents a clear Buffy podcast. Hi everyone, I'm Lena. I'm

(01:19):
ian Ian. Hey a queer Buffy podcast. We're happy to
have you. Who are you?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I keep being like, I was like, I think it'd
be kind of fun if like we did it with
a different intonation sometimes, And then I remembered, you know,
like this time we're like excited, this time we're sad,
this time we're dramatic.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
I don't know some of these are sad.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
But I remember that in the moment and panic, I
have to do something unique, and that's a game out.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Also to me come in and say I'm Lena, and
then for you to not tell me you're doing a
bit and then go, I'm easy. That's not how I
said it, but I mean, like, no, I'm thinking. I
think I'm thinking if you did sad and you didn't
tell me we were doing.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Sad, Yeah, no, And that was the issue is because
I realized I realized that, well, here's the deal. I
realized you were already saying I'm Lena, and I was like,
I didn't say an emotion. And then I thought, if
I match her energy too much, I don't wanted to
come off as if I'm making fun of her. Oh yeah,
And so I was trying to do another take that

(02:36):
seemed complimentary but didn't seem like I was mocking you.
And then what came out was that I liked it.
I like, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I'm going to commit to it now, and don't worry.
I've been bullied and I have been trained by my
mother to say, I'm having fun. You're just jealous and
you're gay, and you're gay and you're gay.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well, everyone, if you're listening to this podcast, you're you're gay.
And also you watched Buffy the Vampires Layer. Pretty exciting,
pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
My favorite kind of person.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
I literally, we're here, were career, get used to it.
Last night in real time on May thirty first, which
was last night in real time, I saw the picture
during Gray on the Bridway, starring Glee's own Sarah Snook.
She was not in Glee talking about anymore, and I

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was talking. I saw it with our friend Tiffany, and
I was talking to Tiffany about the day on my
day and I said, like, this is so boring. Long
story short, I mentioned that I had watched this episode
of Buffy during the day, and the guy sitting next
to me because Jesus something about Buffy, so.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
He said, I've actually got a actually a calling card
for you, sir.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Tiffany, being the ep that she is, she was like,
he has a Buffy podcast. Anyways, So we had a
lovely conversation about Buffy while waiting, he and his boyfriend
are His boyfriend's never seen it, so he's having his
boyfriend watch it for the first time.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
You get the season three, you're already hooked.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Exactly my I'm like, if you get to if you
get to season two, you're already huked.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
If you get to I Robot You Jane, the eighth
episode of the first season, You're hooked.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Having watched this episode recently, I don't know how true that.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
It is better than I remembered. I had fun, I
have fun. Okay, lame.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Anyways, Jesus sorry, even should we get into it?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
I guess so, Okay, I'll go first, Yeah, first, be fun.
Maybe switch things up, so I'll go first with the slacks. Okay,
oh yeah, time. Like I said, I Robot You Jane
is the eighth episode of the first season, and also
because it's the first season, get this eighth episode overall,

(05:03):
crazy kid, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not. It was
written by Ashley Gable with Thomas A. Sweden and directed
by Stephen Posey. It was originally broadcast on April twenty eighth,
nineteen ninety seven, on the WB Network. Hell, yeah, where

(05:24):
were you?

Speaker 2 (05:24):
April April twenty seventh, twenty twenty eighth, twenty eighth, nineteen
ninety seven seven. I don't know learning to walk? When
did kids start walking? I don't know. I have literally
four nieces and nephews. I have no idea the age
when a kid starts walking. I think I was no
by two. I'm walking, and I'm walking.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
I was seven months old.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, well I was almost too so put that in
your bip and smogan.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Oh my god, you're so old. Okay, so lovely patron.
Let us know that they have more fun facts on
I'm so. These are a mixture of I'MDB facts and
also Buffy WICKI don't you worry, We're diversifying our info.
Get excited. Oh my god, I'm covered in cat hair

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in a way that is a sensory nightmare and I
can't even express to you. Oh my god, I'm freaking out. Okay.
The title of this episode is a pun on me
Tarzan E Jane combined with I Robot, So like I Robot,
the title of a collect of the science fiction stories.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, okay, what I didn't realize this is stupid of me.
I Okay, continue, you're looking at me like, I'm no,
I believe you. That's just I'm a liar for whatever reason.
I'm like surprised that it is an I Robot reference.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
It says I Robot in the title.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
But no, you're right, I'm my face continued. You're not stupid,
You're not stupid. Just don't call me a while I
do the glack. He said, you're a liar, he said
a liar alert.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I love doing that with new information that surprises me.
I actually just think it's all Lise.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, I just discounted. I said, well, I know everything,
so I didn't know that it's not true.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
But it's a mixture of Tarzan and I Robot, which
is fun. I didn't know that before. I thought that
was awesome.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, that was my surprise. I got the Tarzan Jane,
I did not the I Robot part.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
I in all honesty, I wasn't aware of how much
of a cultural mainstay I Robot was prior to.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
The movie adaptation.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, so I didn't know it was a well known
enough story to reference.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
I hear you, I hear you. Yeah, but I think
in Tarzan it's me Tarzan. You Jane, you're correct.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
And also there's a dot dot dot which makes sense
like in the episode titles I robot dot dot dot.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
You which Yeah? Could we two separate thoughts? Yes? And
is it I comm a robot? Yeah? And then Will
Smith afterwards Will Smith? And also that guy who plays
the chicken on Mawana? Am I making that up?

Speaker 2 (08:17):
He's in there?

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Robot? What is he? Probably is I don't know everywhere
it's like a Night's Tale.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yes, he plays famously he plays Oh my gosh, Chaucer.
Is he Chaucer? Alent Tudic?

Speaker 1 (08:37):
You're correct? Am I right? Yeah? Oh my god, I see.
I haven't seen that movie, but I always have like
funny nuggets of information specifically about that guy.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Oh my gosh, I'm think of Paul Betanus Chaucer and.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Al He's not he? Is it? Yes? Continue? Wow, we
are off topic. Continue It's called a lance.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Oh my gosh, is Alan Tudic the one that says
tell her you miss her breasts? I remember the first time,
the first time we watched that movie, well I watched
that movie. It was like my parents were so strict
about PG thirteen movies being watched by us, And I'm
six years, like six or seven years old and we're

(09:21):
watching this movie. And my older siblings it was always
really annoying to them because they were old enough to
watch these movies, but like we couldn't watch them in
the house because little six year old me could like
beep up into the room. So they fought my parents
so hard. I'm like, let us watch a Night's Tale.
It's not that inappropriate at all, Like he will be fine.

(09:41):
And then Alan Tudik says, tell her you miss her breasts.
And I turned to my mom and I go, what
is he talking about?

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Ah? My mom was like, we have to turn the
movie off. Shot out to Eileen. We had one different
different childhoods. I was like watching everything and my parents
were like, she doesn't know what that is. Who cares? No?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Absolutely it was and I think and I think that
doubled down the PG. Thirteen rule for a few years.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Oh my gosh, and everything.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
I asked, why is he saying, tell her you miss
her breasts? What is that supposed to mean?

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Damn it. You can't help that. You're inquisitive.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
And I would also do this thing. I was, I
know that you can't relate to this because sorry, I
realized that joke.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
You're not even finishing the joke for me to understand
what you're saying. Okay, the joke was going to be.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
I know that you can't relate to this because you're
untouched by purity culture. And it was supposed to be
a joke because you family are very touched with beauty culture.
But based on you just saying that your family.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Definitely in a different way than you, definitely in a
different way than you, that's true.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
I didn't want it to make it seem like I
was making fun of you.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, no, no, no, I hear you.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
But I was gonna say because I was so raised
to purity culture. I'm pretty sure that the second it
was explained to me what he meant, because that was
another role my parents had was my mom was like,
I'm never gonna lie to my kids, so like if
we ever asked a question, she would answer it. And
so I asked, like, what did he mean? And then

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she told me, and I immediately person tears. I just like,
so I felt so much shame that I had, like
asked a question that was about sex.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
I immediate her crying, Ah, you poor thing. That was
like one time when I was really little.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
We were watching I remember the dcom string Lindsay Lohan
Get a Clue, Get a Clue Classic, And I still
to this day don't know like why I said this,
And it also isn't even It's like truly not a
big deal. We were watching Get a Clue and she's
spying on like her teachers and they're talking in a

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room and I go, what the hell are they doing?
And my mom was like, what did you say? And
once again, where did you get that?

Speaker 1 (12:18):
I don't know?

Speaker 2 (12:18):
And I immediately burst into tears again. I was like
in the.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Sopping, just like a little seven year old me, what
the hell are they doing? What the hell are they doing?
And then and then did you hear that? Kindergarten?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I I cannot tell you where I heard it. I
have no idea, but I mean, like I was a
citizen of the world. I'm sure I just like heard
it on the street somewhere. But I remember that my
parents tried.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
To I had to make it so my sister wasn't
allowed to watch Boy Meets World anymore because they were
convinced I heard it to Panga no.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Swearing like a sailor on that shell seriously, dang, that
is so funny.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
I remember the first wear word. I remember saying and
getting in trouble for it. But I was, you know,
was in watching My favorite movie of all time was
in The pussy Cats, Rosario Dawson says, down coming, you're
messing with the wrong pussy. Oh yeah, and I uh called.
I remember my parents were getting gas and my dad

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like wasn't doing something that I wanted him to do,
or like giving me something I wanted him to hand me,
and I said something and I called him a pussy
and then my mom was like, where on earth did
you hear that? And I think I explained. I was like, oh,

(14:09):
I think Val says it on Chosing the Pussycats, and
they were like, okay, girl, maybe not like like, let's
maybe not call your dad a pussy like and they
explained to me what it was, and I was like, oh, okay,
so it's just it's just not nice.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I remember after The Great Nights Telled Debacle of oh one, yeah,
the next movie that my siblings really wanted to you know,
not have to watch after I went to bed was
The Goonies.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Oh yeah, and they swearing in the Goonies if I
remember right.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
They had to fight tooth and nail with. My parents
were like, let us watch the Goonies. And the agreement
that was made was my brother literally sat me and
my sister down and he said, don't repeat anything you
hear in this movie. Yeah, to a degree that like then,
as a kid, I just assumed that, like the most

(15:01):
innocuous lines were actually a fact. I remember specifically when
Andy is like, I feel like I'm babysitting but I'm
not getting paid. I was like, that's inappropriate. It's just like,
oh my gosh, she prepped you for because I have
been told like, don't repeat anything. I just assumed that,
like everything they said in the movie was inappropriate somehow.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
I love that. And I will tell you that we
were watching uh Princess Diary one time and Mia says
to her grandma like shut up and that was like
the biggest swear in our household, and my parents convinced
me that it was a swear word. And I was like,
oh my gosh, I was like, Mom, did you hear
she just said, like the biggest swear word of all

(15:46):
shut up.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
This is on the Disney Channel. Yes, sat on the
Disney Channel.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
I said, this show's for kids. Why is she saying that.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
We will get back into the slacks. But I have
one more story about show I no I love it,
which was, you know, my parents are trying to lead
by example, and so they also did not want their
kids saying shut up, which meant that they could not
say shut up. And one time me and my sister
were being Hellians in this hotel room, jumping on the bed, laughing, screaming.

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My poor dad multiple times have been like be quiet,
be quiet, Like there's people on the other side of
these walls. You need to be quiet. We would not listen.
We're being so loud that my dad has had enough. Yeah,
shut catches himself realizes I can't say up because like
that's our one rule. So pivots and goes shut the

(16:47):
noise down. Because with his pants down me, he lost
all power in the situation. Me and my sister were like,
shut the noise down, and then we were even worse,
we were even louder. He completely lost all control over

(17:10):
the situation by saying shut the noise down. That then
he couldn't scare a straight no matter what he did. Oh,
you were just loud.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Nightmares oh my gosh, man, that is so interesting about
being an adult in like the adult world with adult
anxieties in like you know, semi public like a hotel,
like and realizing that your kids maybe don't have that,

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you know, social awareness, and you're like, what the hell
do I do?

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Also the moment as an as a parent, which is
something we can't relate to expect we don't have kids,
but the moment as a parent when you realize that
like your kids no longer fear you for no reason anymore,
you know, Oh my god. My mom talks about the

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day that my grandmother realized she had lost control over
my mom and my uncle and they were sitting on
the stairs, like refusing to do what my grandma would say,
and my Grandma's like okay, five, oh yeah, or three,
and they both just stared at her.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Like, yeah, I get to one, what are you gonna do?
She got down to see her almost like the fuck?
I had nothing planned? I okay. The counting always worked
on me because rule following makes If I can't follow
a rule, my body is going to burst into flames.
I'm a big rule follower, but I worked in a

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daycare for a couple of summers and I worked with
like school age kids, and I'd be like, Okay, we're
getting in line, y'all, all my friends, let's get in line.
I'd be like, okay, three, we're getting in line. In two,
we're getting in line in one. Okay, we're not in line.
Know that I'm not gonna do anything. I'm freaking baron,

(19:00):
I'm not doing anything. Okay, but I guess you're not
coming to lunch with a sea later and like, you know,
like I don't, I couldn't. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, but
counting always, I'm sure if my mother did that to
me today, I'm like almost twenty nine years old, it
would work me. Mom. I'm sorry. I want to hear

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some more slacks.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
I'd love to hear someone slacks.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Okay, So I robot you Jane. This episode we're talking
about if heatures the first appearance of a character named
Jenny Calenta. Cry it out, Bring Jenny out, Jenny we
left the podcast. Bring her out, you know, bring them out,

(19:47):
bring them out. She she's like wearing like boxing gear.
She's like, oh, and I'm wearing a teahirt and I'm
going Jenny, I fuck you, Jay. She would not go
on this podcast. Oh do you Jenny Calendar or the actress?
I don't know. I'm trying. Okay, what's what? What's what?

(20:08):
The actress?

Speaker 2 (20:09):
The actors?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Oh, we know, Jennifer. That really sucks. These are things
we can talk about.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
But like she doesn't like to the degree that, like
she doesn't really acknowledge that she was on Buffy at
all anymore because she's uncomfortable that it shows like paganism
and witchcraft, like that level of conservative.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
I have to go, Yeah, that's so devastating.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
But I still love Jenny Calendar.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Wow, devastating. Don't meet your heroes. I guess, Jenny, you can,
like just kidding, I love you, Jenny. I'm literally like
screaming for Jenny Calendar. And you're like, I mean, we
can still love this character? No, and I so well,
now I love Jenny Calendar and we'll talk about her

(21:07):
as she develops as a character, because I just really
I think Jenny Calendar is such an amazing character. But
she wasn't always Jenny. They don't say her name. They
just call her miss Calendar in this episode, but her
name is Jenny. But initially in this episode, while they
were filming her name was Nicki Calendar. Isn't that crazy?
But the reason they changed it is because, oh oop, stinky.

(21:34):
The face I made is not because of nick because
oh my god, I'm sorry, continue want I can smell
you from here. Oh my gosh, I wish you guys
could have seen that. I was so I thought you

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were just really Key Calendar Calendar. Okay, golly. Reason that
they changed Nicki Calendar to Jenny Calendar is because Nicholas
Brennan went by Nicki at the time. So they were like,
it would be too confusing if we would have like
Nicky over here, Like do they mean Nicholas? Do they

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mean Jenny miss Calendar. So they changed it to Jenny Calendar,
which I think was a good choice because Jenny Calendar
it's a good fucking name. Key Calendar. Also it's a
passing grade. If you're listening in your name is Nicky Calendar,
I'm so sorry, consider changing it to Jenny already. Okay.

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So in the library, Giles is listening to like a
radio station about computer problems at the Vatican, and the
announcer on the radio is actually Joss Whedon. Oh interesting enough.
And this is the third episode of the whole series
that doesn't feature any vampires, which I think is really cool.
Like in this first season they're like, I know it's

(23:07):
called the Vampire Slayer. I'm literally freaking out covered in
cat hair. I know it's called vampire Slayer. But don't
you get it twisted. We are all ghouls, all all demons,
all the things who are slaying them, don't you worry?
Like all are welcome, all are welcome here.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
I think that's kill you, yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yep, and we will kill you. And this is just
a fact about you know, twenty seven year old women
in Hollywood. Despite playing teacher and student. The woman who
plays Jenny Calender and Charisma Carpenter, they were born two
weeks apart. They're the same exact age. That's crazy, isn't
that crazy?

Speaker 2 (23:45):
That's really insane. I mean, christ and Carpenter much love,
looks like an adult woman at this school. But it's
still that it's wild.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
That is wild, all right. And those are your slacks.
We don't even go to the bronze. So I can't
play you my favorite, my favorite jingle of ours. So
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Well y you next week, next week, Okay, I have
a recap for you that I have not reread and
it's kind of long, so we're gonna see how goes
you Ready, Okay?

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yes? Sam?

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Previously I'm Buffy the Vampire Slayer. After scanning library books
onto the school's online database, Willow gets a mysterious internet boyfriend, Malcolm.
As Buffy and Xander worry about the identity of this
e suitor, Willow begins to become more distant and cut
classes while members of the computer club start attacking Buffy.
Turns out Willow's catfish is actually Mollock, an ancient corruptor

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demon previously trapped in an ancient text, but released onto
the Internet once that text was scanned, where he is
free to seduce computer nerds everywhere. Buffy goes to free
Willow from Moloch, who has built himself a robobody, while
Giles works to trap the demon back inside the text
with the help of Jennifer Calendar, the school's computer science teacher,

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and a tech no peg, and ultimately Mulks defeated. Jenny
Calendar forts with Giles, and we all learn a little
lesson about being careful who we talk to online, because
they could be an ancient Italian corruptor demon and that's
I wrote about you, Jane Amore, exactly.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
What he puts the bie in bitch mollock the bye
Oh you're right, he said, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Man, woman non binary, let's kiss. Let's kiss. That first
scene with the flashback when we're in Italy and like
whatever year that is, the sixteen hundreds I think, and
he's talking, he's like, Carlo, do you love me much
love to this actor? The actor he's playing Carlo. The

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expression on his face he's doting, like a little like.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Y, that's how I look when I'm devoted to, Like,
I don't know, really, how do you describe it?

Speaker 2 (26:08):
How do you describe that? It's a visual cue. I'm sorry, everyone,
just imagine.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
It's like looking up and.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, his eyes are like a little too wide.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, Like maybe they gave him the note of like
mindlessly devoted, like it's definitely like in awe, but also
looking really silly, like a tiny smile, big eyes.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
I think the auditory the auditory equivalent is like hmm,
that's very much what it's giving.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Hey, I've been there, I've been there. It's just so
silly to me.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Wow, Carlow silly believe Carlo Carlow, Okay, I wrote about
you Jade is an episode you liked it more than me.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Well, damn, I'm just thinking so much about all these
people online who like flaunt their AI boyfriend ends and
that's mo like, if you seriously, I'm like, that's actually
a demon you guys. Okay, actually though that is.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, very continue your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
I was just like, you know, I feel like I
have seen I mean, I don't think I have anyone
in my life who's doing this, but I've seen people
online like literally, you know, I've seen the movie Her,
but AI is don't get it twisted. I hate AI
like I think I think they're pretty sinister and weird

(27:37):
and like bad for the planet and bad for art
and bad for your mind and staying up all night
people do I see people online like boasting about it
all the time where they're like, stayed up all night
talking to my chat CHEATPT and we were flirting. It's like, Okay,
that can't be fucking good for you. So touch grass,
that's actually a demon.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
That's actually a corruptor demon?

Speaker 1 (27:58):
No for real.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
And the this episode is very like old man yells
like cloud with Giles being like computers are evil, but
then watching it, I was like, damn, he has a point,
you say.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
I was like, wait to my childs like.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Him being like because hearing him talk about you know,
Jenny Calender says like more mail was delivered electronically the
last two years than in person, and he's like so
horrified by that, and I'm like, okay, old man, like, yeah,
it's actually less wasteful to do email. But then his
number one fear is like, I'm afraid that the technology
is going to be able to manipulate people and people

(28:32):
stop interacting with each other. And wait, Rupert Giles, you kind.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Of have a point.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, no, seriously, you kind of were a prophet because
that's exactly what's happening now literally, and.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Even like I mean, you know, Buffy is like why
would you meet someone, why would you be why would
you be flirting with someone that you've like never met before.
You can't you don't know what he looks like, you
don't know who he is, you don't know where, you
know where he's at, Like this is not appropriate. I
mean like online dating is far more like prevalent now

(29:04):
and God knows, like I know people who like are
in the gaming sphere and they meet people online and
you know, they make friends that way. But I think
it just gets like so dicey in terms of you know,
especially like I mean I was growing up in the
era of like Kick and like all of that, like

(29:30):
like faceless chat rooms yes, girls, yeah, but that too,
but I mean the oagmegle chats as well. Like I mean,
I was, you know, all over that, and it wasn't
you know, learning about like online safety like wasn't as
much a thing when I was younger, and it is.
I don't know, we should be we should be smart
about who we're talking to and also at least talk

(29:52):
to of peer of yours who lives ten states away
and not chat GPT he goes. I feel like this episode.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Is kind of is kind of saying like technology can
be used for good, and it's inevitable that we're going
to progress further and a lot of good stuff can
happen with it, but be careful. It's also dangerous, which
I think ultimately is the stance to take. Yes, like
we would not be having this conversation if technology had

(30:27):
not continued to literally.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
I literally was like Ian and I are online friends,
like we are doing this online, We're talking to people
online like this is yes, we're online friends.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
I think what this episode has to say is good.
You know, technology can be used for good, but it
can also be dangerous, so be careful. I just think
every episode so far this season, not every episode, but
most episodes has had like a lesson and it's like, hey,
kids do this, but it's told in like a campy

(30:59):
mystical way, so it doesn't feel us ham fisted, and
it feels a little more fun. This is still campian mystical,
and he becomes a robot demon and that's fun, very fun.
But this episode did feel more ham fisted than the
others to me. Okay, felt corny, derogatory.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
I okay.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
And also I don't know, I this has been I
think the most bored I've been so far this season
with a Buffy episode. Okay, yeah, and it's still fun
to be had, yes, but I wasn't. I wasn't eating
it up as much as I was eating up like
Teacher's Pet, which also has a very strong be careful message,

(31:45):
but is so campy and silly that I was like, oh, okay, yeah,
I hear you. Yeah, I hear you. Also, something that's
crazy to me is an epidemic at Sannadl High School
is what the fuck are all these kids speaking aloud
as they type?

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Who does that? No? What is that about?

Speaker 2 (32:08):
It would be so easy to, like jew ad r Yes,
to just film aliceon Hannigan at the computer and then
have it in voice over. Yeah, but she and then
we see earlier Dave does the same thing. They are
actively just speaking aloud as they type, like an insane person.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
No, listen. Actually, my mother when she texts, she's always
like headed two chilies be there in twenty what shoes
are you wearing? And I'm like, mom, nappy. I think
it happens more often, but this is definitely very theatrical

(32:49):
and like full chest, full voice, full inflection, like nobody gets.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Me, you know, Willow alone in the computer lab and
like how did you know Buffy was kicked out of school?

Speaker 1 (33:05):
And it's not even that too, it's like how did
you know Buffy was kicked out of school? Like she's
having a conversation with the computer. Maybe that's the demon though,
Maybe that's the demon.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
He possesses you to speak out loud as well.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, totally yeah, and embarrass yourself in front of your
computer class. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
I the this episode such a time capsule, and that
does that is points in its favor. Like when Moloch
shows up on the computer screen and he's like leave
Willow alone, and it's like a yeah, so it does

(33:40):
make me giggle. That is very very silly and very funny.
And when he's watching Buffy through the webcam and it's
also like a thirty two bit super digitized view of Buffy.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
I thought it was fun. Yeah, it was kind of fun.
I just think, like, you know, I liked that it
was like very time capsuley. You know, I think more,
you know, and especially at the time, I can't even
imagine you know, kids nowadays. I mean even I like
I was like seven months old when this episode came out,
Like I grew up with the Internet, but it wasn't

(34:11):
as as like widely you know, accepted. But also like
social media was just becoming a thing when I was younger,
and people weren't talking about at least to me, as
much as they should have being careful online. And so
I do appreciate the you know, the message of this episode.
I understand what you're saying when it's a little more like,

(34:33):
you know, amfested. If that's that's the phrase you're using,
I don't think i've ever heard this phrase other than
from you, So I don't know if I'm using it correctly.
Thanks for teaching me, But so I understand what you're saying.
But I just thought it was really fun. And I
also think, like, I don't I really like empathize with
Willow in this episode too. So I thought the Willow

(34:54):
stuff was really strong. I just, you know, I really
feel for this girl, like she is pining for this
boy zaan her who you know, won't give her the
time of day in the way that she wants, Like
she never gets the romantic attention that she craves, you know,
the connection. And when she starts to get it and
all of her friends are like, okay, that's weird, She's like, okay,

(35:16):
so what's weird about it? Like that someone would like me?
Or is it that like, like, what's what's wrong here?

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Is it me?

Speaker 1 (35:22):
So I emphasize with with Willow a lot. I think
it's really strong, a really strong Willow episode. I also
think there were a bunch of moments that were like
making me laugh. I also love Jenny Calendar. I love
my techy girlfriend and my bookish boyfriend. I think they
Oh my gosh, I love them. I love them. They

(35:43):
had the tension there was just I was eating it
the fuck up. Yeah. I love Buffy Undercover wearing the
trench coat. She's like, what am I gonna wear a
trench coat and glasses? And then cut to her wearing
a trench coat and glasses. I thought that was really funny.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Also, the concept of a technopagan is so stupid in
a good way. It's very positive and it does make sense,
like Jenny Calendar says, where she like, if this is
a world where magic is real, science didn't cure the magic,
like there still would be magic and the magic would adapt.
There would be covens that are online chat rooms, So

(36:21):
it makes sense. It's also so dumb and I love
that isn't a thing.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Are there really technopagans or did they like make up
this phrase?

Speaker 2 (36:32):
I think they probably made up The phrase. Technopaganism, as
described by Victoria Dos Santos, is a term encompassing in
a variety of practices and expressions related to contemporary paganism
in popular culture. And spiritual pursuits and digital environments. So
it looks like they borrowed it. Okay, great, trying to
see like when it came onto the scene, originally technopaganism

(36:57):
referred to people that found shamanic altered states through tech,
no music, okay, and then it went on to be
like people on with technology.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
So I don't think that Buffy created it, so shout out,
shout out that's awesome, shout out technopagan but her having
her chat room, you know, spell casting circle and it's yeah, yes,
and it shows the beams of the the magic. Yes,
it's very fun, it's very silly. I also really love

(37:28):
Jenny Calendar. Wow, I love Jenny Calendar. And I don't know,
I might be being too hard on this episode. I'm
gonna be honest. It is so important to me that
people like Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Yeah that if people
aren't like gelling with these message of the Week episodes, yes,

(37:53):
I just wanted to be known. This isn't what the
show is the whole time, like, this is what season
one is, and then it evolves into something else. Yeah,
this has been I do think maybe not counting the
pack I don't know if I enjoyed the pack more
or not, but I do think this is my least
favorite one so far. But the show did set out
to be like high school ills, social ills told through

(38:18):
monsters of the week, so this is not really a
step out of the ordinary. That is very much in
the show's thesis statement and especially at the dawn of
the Internet, a big worry and frankly still away with
the Internet is the people you're talking to could very
well not be who they are. And I think it
is a fun and silly way to do it, where

(38:38):
instead of it being like this is a creepy old man,
it's this is an old, centuries old Italian demon who
has been released in.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yes, I mean I thought that was funny, and also
like you know, I thought it was like kind of fun,
like doing the spell onto the computes to trap him.
I was like, Okay, that's that's sick. That's awesome, and
him being trapped in the in the mech suit, I
was like, okay, this is sick. That was fun. Gyles

(39:11):
like full passionable screaming. He's like like demon be sent
back into the text and then Jenny's just typing be
sent back in. He's like, it's actually with a K,
It's with a K. That was awesome. I thought it
was awesome. I understand what you're saying, though, definitely not
my favorite episode. Something that Tricksy said in her Buffy

(39:35):
Like ranking she ranked season one. I think she said
it was her least favorite season. Yes, oh no, she
loves season seven. That's what she loves. Season seven. Yes,
Tricksy recommends when she tells people to watch He's In One,
that you can just watch the first two episodes Angel
and then skip a Prophecy Girl. These episodes are to
set up the vibe of the show. They're still finding

(39:57):
their footing and they are still showing us that it's
teenage problems through monsters. Like you said, but I understand
what you're saying in terms of you want people to
vibe with Buffy, and they might not vibe with these
Monster of the Week episodes, but they could potentially vibe
with season long arcs later in the TV show. And

(40:20):
then I was gonna say, Tricksy says, you can skip
these episodes like they're they're they're basically inconsequential for what
you need to know about this show now. Listen. I
have always felt this way. I skip the fuck around
when I personally do rewatches of Buffy. When I sat
down to watch this episode, it was halfway through. I
had to bring it back because I just stopped it

(40:42):
to like move on to something else. But you know,
sitting down to watch them specifically and intentionally, I am
enjoying it, you know, as a casual watch er, it's
not it's you know, I can see how it might
not be too fun. I have literally felt not too
fun about it in the past, so but I really
I enjoyed it. I thought it was fun. I love

(41:03):
that Jenny Calendar, I love I love Willow. I think
Buffy is such an amazing friend. I love her. I
love Tryals even like Xander is really cute. In this episode,
I was having fun. Girl has fun? Yeah, god forbid,
a girl has fun. No, it's somethingly not terrible, it's

(41:24):
just yeah, are you I'm not in the words of
in the words of Fritz, I'm not jacked in to
this episode. I'm jacked in. I'm jacked in. Jacked girl.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
He was jack and something jacket something I don't who
in the history of the world has described being online
as being jacked in. Now, they may not have invented
the phrase techno paganism, but they did invent jacked in
because it didn't like.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
For glut, it didn't like glue.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
I'm jacked in. And the way he's saying and Emma
to his arm crazy.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Hey, it was giving like like in in the Social
Network when Justin Timberly goes, no, he's he he's like
locked in. I think he says he's locked in about
Mark Zuckerberg. And then you know, Andrew Garfield comes in
and like smash his computer, but it's like, oh no, no,
don't worry, and it stopped. He's jacked in, Like, don't

(42:27):
walk with him. He's jacked in. He's jack in. Fritz.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Let's talk about Fritz, baby, Let's talk about you and me.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Fritz. Fritz. He is my least favorite kid in school.
This kid is an asshole. Before he was possessed by
a demon, he was an asshole.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Seriously when he first of all, he gets like so passionate.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, he's like obsolete.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yet if you're not jacked in, you're not alive. And
then like can't even stand to at Giles anymore, stands up,
leaves my library, crazy crazy pants.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
I hate this guy. Yeah, he is like the perfect
lackey for this demon, you know, like Malick really lucked
out and finding this total.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Asshole, which once again this episode feels like old man
yells at Cloud. But then I'm like, Okay, actually, maybe
they were so onto something because I'm like, oh, yeah,
this demon was in the Internet and it made Fritz
turn into a psychopath. But then I'm like, oh, no,

(43:40):
people are radicalized by the Internet constantly. There is a
huge epidemic of young boys being extremely far right because
of the Internet. So you know what, you were onto something,
Bubby the Vampire Slayer, they are jacked in and it.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Is bad and they said literally and he said the
word and word is obsolete. Let's burn books. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
No, that's what's crazy is watching this episode. My knee
jerk reaction is, oh, my gosh, this is so out
of touch. This is so the adults who are like,
if you play video games, you're gonna become a murderer.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah. But then I'm like, oh, but looking at the
way society is going, yeah, I feel like there's some
truth to that.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Technology is actually and too much Internet is active. Actually
actively disagree distress.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Fucking phones are poisoning your minds.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
So hey, Rupert Giles, maybe you're onto something.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
No, Honestly, the way he was talking, I was like,
I hate to be this old man, but I feel
like I am turning into one. I think especially young
boys are the Internet works really hard to radicalize them
and really hard to like, I don't know, bring them
into a pipeline. That's really scary. It's really scary.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
I'm jackedin. If you're not Jackson, you're not alive. You're
not jackedon, you're not alive. Also another fritzism when his
when his inner Dordolano jumps out and he asks Mullock
what do I do? And Mullick says kill her about
Buffy and his responses.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Party. You know he's a party Okay. I loved that.
Oh heay, No, that was so fucking funny. I'm so
glad you brought it up because I forgot about it.
Party that is so and that's oh my god, that's
that's nineteen ninety seven. Like, that's so fucking funny. Party Trailblazer. No, Seriously, honestly, he's.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Despiced when he's evil, he is a fun one off
villain crony who thinks villain. I love it, miss Jackson.
He says, party, Hey, he's a future entrew Tate. And
then we have Dave, the other crony, who Dave is
the crony. You know. We see Fritz, as he said
before he gets corrupted, and he's already he's prejecked in, dude, Yeah,

(46:06):
he's prejecked in. He's got one foot out the door already.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Dave when we first meet him, is very nice. And
so Dave is the one who has like an inner battle. Yeah,
and then can't bring himself to kill Buffy. And that
was genuinely, to me, shockingly dark. These season one episode.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Is like hurt my stomach. It was really dark. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
These season one episodes tend to be very silly, and
any deaths that happen are either people like Fritz, who
it is.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Like he went off killed by the bad guy.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Yeah and like he sucks anyway, or the deaths are
like a little silly. The Dave death was genuinely no,
it hurts its memory. He is like, I can't kill Buffy.
She didn't do anything. This isn't right. And then Mullock
kills him and stages it to look like he took
his life, and it genuinely is like and I mean

(47:03):
the show doesn't treat it like it's silly, but it
genuine is like.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
So really serious.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
It's so such a surprising turn. It's a disturbing turn.
And then they immediately move past it. Buffy like finds
the body and then is like Dave is dead, but
something suspicious is about it, and then they immediately move
on as if nothing happened.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
And I really uncomfortable. Yeah, I do not love that,
like even I you know, I feel so I feel
protective of Buffy like she's a real person, and I
just felt a it was really sad, like they type
out his entire note to his parents and it really

(47:48):
it hurt my stomach. And then they have Buffy. Oh
it made me sick. They made this is really sad.
They had Buffy find him, and she is you can tell,
like really it rocked her, like you know, it's not
like and you know she has the perspective of there
are outer forces here that are making this happen. It's

(48:13):
not what it may seem, but it's still like doesn't
change the Insermschelle Geller does such a beautiful job at
holding all those layers. But it's in the text that
it kind of bothers me. Where they get to the
library and she is like very physically shaken. She looks
like really upset, and then Giles even is like, well, shit,

(48:36):
like I'm sure it's not you know, like and it's like, okay, well,
tell that to his parents, till that to his family,
till that to Buffy who just witnessed this, Like that's
I don't know it just it was no, I not
my not a shiny moment of this episode. It made
me actually really uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
I kind of feel like, you can't have it both ways.
You can't have your cake nail too. Oh yeah, I'm
so cool with the deaths on this show being can't
be silly and not meaning anything. But then that one
is treated just a little bit serious. But then we
move past it and I'm like, okay, so okay, so

(49:15):
it has to be fully serious, which is fine. Either
it has to be fully Oh that's my lot. That's scared.
That scared me so bad.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
It's Malick. It's Malik on my phone. Hear me talking
about him.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
No, either the death has to be like treated with
sincere levity, I mean with sincere gravity, or it needs
to be treated with levity. And this weird like half
and half and back and now. In the next scene,
Buffy is like in a cheeta print trench coat punching
a robot.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
It was a little weird. It's no, I so agree,
not my favorite party. They're also like, we live in Sunnydale.
It's not too weird to have people die by circumstances
they can't explain or things like that. Are you know,
there's things are happening in this town and everyone is

(50:11):
kind of I kind of queued into it, you know,
like this one is just like I think they're trying
to say something I don't know, just.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Like really violent, I think likely. And this is just
to me And I was not in the writer's room.
I famously was almost two years old, not yet. But
I think they're trying to say because you know, this
episode is really trying to be like, here's what the
worries are with the Internet. The worries are you can
fall in love with someone, but it's not who you

(50:41):
think you're talking to. Shout out Catfish on MTV the
fear is it can radicalize you, shout out Fritz. And
then the other fear is that the Internet will horribly
isolate you and cause you street mental health. And so
that's I think the Dave storyline is someone who their

(51:02):
connection with the Internet, which is a genuine problem. It's like,
I understand why it's in the episode. I don't know
if I love how it was handled in the episode,
but like, I don't think they were just doing it
for shock value. I think they genuinely are saying and
here's another thing you need to be careful about, is
that it's going to isolate you from the people around
you until your mental health deteriorates.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Yeah, I'll be so honest. I don't have a lot
to say about this episode. I you have convinced me
I appreciate it more than I did. It is pretty
It's an open and shutcase, you know. Yeah, Mullock is

(51:45):
the dangers of the Internet. Jenny Calendar is the prose
of the Internet, and we're giving you both in one episode.
We're saying this thing is here to stay, and it
can be used for good, it can also be used
for evil, so be careful. Exactly.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah, I will say just to shout out some more
moments that I thought were fun. I love at the
end of the episode when Willow is, you know, commiserating
with her friends and she's like, I am so stupid.
Like the one boy whoever, oh I gave a crap about,
like was literally trying to trick me and he was

(52:24):
a demon and he really got my ass, Like I
feel so stupid. And then her friends like Xander and Buffy.
Buffy's like, are you kidding, Like the only guy I've
ever cared about ever is a freaking vampire, Like I
totally get you, You're not stupid, and then Sander goes yeah.
And then the you know, the teacher I was trying
to get with two weeks ago, she was a prayingmantis

(52:46):
like and then they were like, oh crap, Like we
are really a funny bunch, Like it is the funniest
part of the episode to me. And then just they
didn't even play the music at the end of the episode.
They just cut to like created by Josh S. Whedon.
I was like, oh my god, I love these kids.
It really made me giggle.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
I also think of that ending. I forgot that ending
was this episode but that is an ending that I
think of a constantly with the show. It's one of
the most iconic ones in my mind, which is Buffy
lightheartedly saying, We'll just have to accept that none of
us will ever have a healthy, happy relationship, and then laughing,
and then slowly the laughter dying, and then the all
sitting in silence, And that is kind of the vibe

(53:27):
of the show, like it is from here on out.
This show is, oh my gosh, so silly and we're
laughing and isn't this ridiculous? But underneath there's an undercurrent
of sadness and the dark truth of none of their
lives are ever going to be normal lives and they
will always of hardship and tragedy and loss.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Sure, yeah, I mean I was thinking about this yesterday.
It's really funny, like the more you learn about the world,
but I feel like the harder it is to be
happy m hm. And so like I see these kids
and they have this you know secret essentially that they're
carrying on their backs that you know there are demons

(54:11):
out there, there are people who like want to do
harm to them and their well their loved ones, And
how that that knowledge really weighs on them and how
it will like once you your eyes are open to
like the hell mouth and everything. It's really difficult too

(54:31):
with that away, you know, it's hard. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah, it is the curse of knowledge. Speaking of cursed knowledge,
how did this old ass book end up in a
high school library? I know that Sunnydale like is the
hell mouth, so I'm sure some demon worship are somewhere
put it there on purpose. But what an extensive collection

(54:55):
this high school library has.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
No that they would have that book in it. I
wonder because it was the monks in the beginning who
put Malik in the book? Uh huh? And were they
sending it to Giles? Yeah? Were they sending it to
Giles who like is well kind of that was in
the sixteen hundreds. I was in the sixteen hundreds. So

(55:19):
it's just being passed around from high school to high school.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah, they're just it's going from school district school district. Yeah, no,
I think that's.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Actually so that's such a funny question.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
I don't know, all kind of evil gets drawn to
hell mouths, so I'm sure that's the actual explanation, but
it's just funny to me. Like I think in my
high school library, even if the book wasn't cursed, like,
we would never have had a book like that.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Oh, I mean, I love I live in Utah. We
banned books here.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Anyways. A shorter episode. Sorry, I robot you Jane, you know,
but Jenny Calendar's here. That's what's important, and thank god
she is.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Yeah. Just a quickly shout out Buffy wear some sleigh
outfits in this episode, Christmas Carpenter, I wish she was there.
I just mean, like her her leopard like trench coat thing.
She's got like this, uh like this like titty shirt
and this like you know, her classic like black miniscur

(56:24):
plus go go boots. I just I wish. I wish
I dressed like Buffy summers. She is so awesome and
I love her. I could and what the hell is
stopping me?

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yeah, exactly, that's what I'm asking. Also, Jillian Jenny Calender
being flirty, flirty, flirty. At the very end of the episode,
Giles gives her back an ear ring and she says
something damm about like your pretty old fashion, aren't you,
And he says, well, I don't dangle a corkscrew from

(56:57):
my ear and she says, that's not where I dangle
it walks away.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Is that is wiener?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Well, I was asking if that earring he gave her
back is not actually an ear ring.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
It's a belly button ring. What I mean? That's what
you mean?

Speaker 2 (57:19):
I mean it more likely is a belly button ring.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
That's not where I dangle it.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Hey, Johnny Callender.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Hey, maybe I honestly didn't get a good look at it.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
I also do love the concept of and this is
something I really like about you.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
If you had a clip here saying it came out
in the library, girl, what's going on? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (57:46):
This is something I appreciatebout the Buffy verse, which is
there's only one Slayer, one slayer is called, but there
are subsets of other people who are aware of demons
and are kind of doing what they can, and that
this is the first hint we ever get of that,
and that is something we will see more as the
show goes on. I love the idea of there's another

(58:08):
teacher at this school who knows about demons and is
a technopagan, and it's just like doing her project in
the best way that she can. She's jacked and she's
fighting them online.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
I think this show has such good world building, and
that is one of the aspects about it that I appreciate,
Like if yeah, yes, of course we're told that people
are going to rationalize demons if they see them, but still,
like with how many demons there are, Yeah, some people
inevitably are going to be like, okay, so this is
the thing to deal with.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Yeah, like maybe like Star Wars hell, like some people
are like clued into the force, like other people are
like clued into like the forces of darkness here, like
they're Drackton, they get it, they get what's up. I
love that too. I think that's really cool. And also
I was just like I was interested to see like,
you know, the map of Jenny's uh techno. Yeah, Like

(59:01):
I like they were like all around the world. I
thought that was really fun. Like you know, where did
they meet?

Speaker 2 (59:07):
I have questions, And I think it's in a cove
and chat room.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
I think that's the vibe I was getting.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Yeah, that's awesome. Did you ever have like.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
An online I literally was going to ask what your
chatroom experiences were?

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Oh, you don't want to know, Oh, now I do
want to know. Well, I mean, I mean, I was
a young girl in the two thousands, Like I'm I've
I probably have very similar experiences to everyone else. You know.
I was talking to people online. I was telling them
I remember being like eleven or like ten or eleven,

(59:45):
and always saying I was fourteen because that felt so old,
and then people telling me that they were also fourteen,
and then me catching a vibe later that like things
aren't what they seem. I mean, I was lucky. I
you know, nothing to crazy ever happened. But I mean
I was chatting with crazy people all the time. I also,
I really you know, I was also like a pretty

(01:00:07):
lonely kid. So the internet was definitely a place that
I like hung out all the time. And I was
like on like kick all the time. I was on
start all, I was meeting people on Tumblr. I was uh,
I was like signing up for pen pal groups on Twitter,
like in twenty eleven. I remember I had this one

(01:00:32):
Oh my god, I'm telling you, I had this one
pen pal who her and I we were like Instagram
and Facebook friends and like on Twitter, we like you know,
became friends over a couple of years, and we would
like just mess We would send each other letters, however
often we wanted to. It was like, you know, for
a couple of years. But I remember her and I

(01:00:53):
got in a fight on Twitter about reproductive rights when
I was like a teenager, and it was really really
really really really bad, and like I was like, oh
my god, I'm losing this friend because she thinks abortion
is a sin, and I'm like, I just can't vibe
with that. But I also remember she was big into

(01:01:13):
twenty one pilots, So now every time I think about
twenty one Pilots, I'm like, well, they don't believe in abortion,
so I can't fuck with them. No, I'm just thinking
about this girl that was my friend. Oh my gosh.
But yeah, I mean I was doing all the things.
I was doing all the things. What about you. I've

(01:01:34):
told some of this before.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
I was in that on my Space. This is like
comment on MySpace that it would be like we all
make profiles. It was caused playing online.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Where it was yes oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
There was like a Wicked group where they were like
all the characters are already taken. We need a Madam morrable.
If you're not going to be about a Morrable fight
another group. Yeah, I was in a Disney one where
I was the mad Yes, and it was like like everyone,
like someone was fire Tuck from Robinhood, like it was everyone, but.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Like roleplay as these characters.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Like yeah, it would just be you know, you would
uh post on each other's profiles as if you were
the character. But me and Alice ended up kind of
becoming friends. Thankfully. I do believe that Alice because I
was so if my parents are listening, I was about
like twelve, and I do as an adult looking back,

(01:02:31):
I'm pretty sure that Alice was also like thirteen, like
around my age. Like nothing sketchy ever happened. Mostly we
just talked about Kingdom Hearts a lot and how she
loved Kingdom Hearts and I wasn't allowed to have a
PlayStation and I wanted one so bad so I could
play Kingdom parts. But I was a part of like
that group, but I mostly just interacted, like Alice was

(01:02:52):
the only one that I messaged privately, and everyone else
it would be like I would.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Be like hoppy on birth day profile. I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
And then I was big on the neopets chat rooms.
Neopets Yeah, and Neopets were the ones where, you know,
they knew that their target audience was all kids, so
they would have a bunch of band words and the
words included like any number whatsoever, because they were like,
we don't want you trying to share your ages with

(01:03:24):
each other.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
But I did have a friend on Neopets that I
later found out was like nineteen, but she, she thankfully,
was one of the good ones, like found out that
I was I'm not kidding ten years old at the times,
and she which also like, you're nineteen on neopets, what
did you expect?

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
And she immediately for children.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Yeah, she immediately think was like this is actually kind
of weird. And so then it became a very like
older sister younger brother relationship. And she also like stopped
really messaging me at all, so shout out to her
real one. Yeah, And then I was big on did
you ever play VMK? It was like Club Penguin, but
you were at Disney World.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Oh yes, you could like be disney World Like I'm
I guess I'm imagining like Goofy running around like a fountain.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Okay, like Toontown, I think, Okay, I'm thinking of tune Town.
VMK was it was Club Penguin in that same way
where it's just like a picture and you're walking around
the picture, whereas Toontown it's kind of like you can
rotate the camera. VMK is like here's the picture, and
your avatars is like walking around the picture, and you
just were a a VMK s chance for a Virtual
Magic Kingdom. You were just at Disney World.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Because I was not a Disney kid as much as
you were.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
I was a massive the VMK. It got so bad
that my sister and I our parents had to write
out a schedule of when we were allowed to play
VMK because we've got so many fights about it with
your sister, yes, or with your parents. Okay, my sister, Okay.
My parents are being the mediators that they're like, okay,

(01:05:03):
enough's enough. I remember my VMK character's name was Lolo Blue.
Shout out Lola Blue. And it was the same deal
where they had a bunch of band words, but people
found ways to talk around them, so it would be
like like eight would be like ate and then instead

(01:05:23):
of three you'd say tree, and you'd say one like
w O N. Six you'd say like sick with an
S like people had ways, and then I remember a
big one was people would be like, ew are you
gray for gay?

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Were you blue? Are you're gray? You're gray?

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
And it was the same like you couldn't say any locations,
and so I'm I'll be straight up, I did. I'm
pretty sure tell people how old I was, but I
wasn't ever saying anything beyond that. But like people would
have ways to like talk about locations. And I remember
I had a family on VMKA.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Oh you would like sometimes because you I feel like
that was huge when we were tweens, like that's the
mom of our friend group. I'm the daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Yeah, So it would be like you could you would
have your own room on VMK that you could then
open up to be like anyone could come in if
you wanted to, and then you could and kick them
all out. And so people would open their rooms to
the Internet at large and title it like family Center,
and you'd go and find someone and be like, do
you want to be my wife? And she'd be like yep,

(01:06:36):
and then you'd add each other as friends, and then
you go to an adoption agency. And it was, honestly,
in retrospect creepy the adoption because it would where a
magical kingdom is that it would be someone's room that
they would title adoption agency, and you'd go and they'd

(01:06:56):
be like, if you want to adopt, stand on the
side of the room. If you want to be a kid,
stay on this side of the room. And the kids
this is straight up creepy. The kids would type like
goo goo ga ga creepy. Anyways, I had a family
on VMK, and it would be like, who were you
in the family? I was the dad, of course. Of
course I had my beard and my son and we

(01:07:18):
would like go on family outings and just like talk
as if we were it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Never you didn't tell them you're gray. I didn't tell
them I was gray.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
I didn't know at the time, but it it is
weird in the sense that like I didn't know these people.
But it never got anything beyond like kids playing house.
It was just like here we are, like Sun, do
you want to go on this ride that we can't
actually go on because this is the Internet. It was
just like shit like that. And then I remember specifically

(01:07:46):
one day I was like, I'm actually sick of having
a family, so I blocked all of them. I just
I didn't have any like, I don't want to do this.
I just like blocked them. And like a week later,
I was just walking around VMK and R and they
found you and she was like wait, Lolo Blue, and
I immediately left. I went out for a past cigarettes

(01:08:08):
and I never came back. Your son still asks about you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
That is so funny. So that's that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Those were my mole like experiences growing. I love that
I didn't do a lot of chat rooms. It was
all All of my chat rooms were like Neo Pets
and VMK, where it was like extremely strict what you
were allowed to say.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
No, yeah, I hear you. And I was like meeting
people and then giving them them my phone number, like
I had a no no. I'm telling you. I remember
in sixth grade I was talking with this boy and
he and I we were talking. I think we met.
We must have met on kick or like yik yak

(01:08:51):
no yik yak was anonymous no somewhere, but I I
remember he was like from kind of around me. I
can't I can't imagine. I literally couldn't tell you. You
and he and I were like boyfriend and girlfriend, but
just we just texted all day long. And my dad
I remember he was like, you've texted like something crazy,

(01:09:15):
like twenty thousand times this month, and it was like
when we were paying for texting. He's like, you're done,
You're done. But I remember, this is so funny. He
broke up with me and it was, oh my god,
so devastating. You have an idea. But I remember, like
a week prior, we would just like ask, you know,
stupid questions, and we weren't doing anything. I I got

(01:09:38):
the vibe that this person was also young. I don't know,
but we were messaging and I was like, I asked like,
do you like vampires? And I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding.
I said, do you like vampires? And he went now
and then we moved on. I remember when he broke
up with me, I was like, you know, the other day,

(01:09:58):
when you said you didn't like vampire, I was like,
that showed me that you really don't know who I
am anyway. And then we never talked again. And look
at me now podcast hell yeah, paint art and he
was probably single and sad somewhere. No seriously can't remember
where I met him, but I remember I texted way

(01:10:19):
too much that month, Like those months.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Ugh, damn, well, kids, be careful what you talked to online.
Genuinely serious. No, for real, it's dangerous out there. It
is dangerous out there. You I remember when I was
in sixth grade, which in retrospect, I'm like kind of
slay that they made us do this. In our computer
science class, shout up, miss Calendar, one of the assignments

(01:10:42):
was we played this computer game that was about a
kid meeting someone online and then getting kidnapped by that person.
And it was like, frankly, it was. It was scary,
but it wasn't you know, it wasn't like sensationalized in
any way. It was we were playing as the detective
trying to solve the case, and so it was very

(01:11:05):
like interesting and fun. And I feel like it, you know,
we're twelve. I feel we were mature enough to handle it.
And it did make me be like, holy shit, I'm
never giving my personal information to anyone online ever. Like
you would read and it was based on a real case,
and you would like read the transcripts between this kid
and the person they were talking to and see like

(01:11:26):
how the person would talk to them and make them
feel really safe with them and all the stuff. And
you didn't realize they had nefarious purposes. And frankly, I
still remember it great teaching method because one it was fun,
so we all like wanted to do it, and then
all of us were like, holy shit, that is terrifying.
I'm going to stop talking to people online.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
That's really interesting. I'm sure that like really like to
do that as a kid is probably very It's like informative,
Is That's what I'm looking for. Informative? Formative? Yeah, like
just formative in your like internet experience, because I mean
I talk with my friends all the time, and I'm

(01:12:06):
like I feel like I had too much access to
the Internet as a kid, Like you know, I had
like a computer in my room. I like, you know,
had an iPod. I was you know my parents like
I don't. I also I had I was lucky. I
had a really good relationship with my parents that I
always felt like if I was doing the one rule

(01:12:27):
when we were kids was if you feel like you
can't tell me, then you probably shouldn't be doing it.
So that were like, you know, I feel lucky in that,
you know, I never got to like meeting anyone in
real life or you know, sending anything because I was like,
I wouldn't feel comfortable telling my mom this, so I'm
probably not going to do it. And you know me, Yeah,

(01:12:50):
if I am not following a rule, my body's on fire.
So yeah, but yeah, seriously, you guys, you know this.
We grew up with the internet, but be your fault there.
And don't have an AI boyfriend. Oh my gosh, that
costs so much water, you guys. And also go touch grass.
You can find a real boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
You're beyond like destroying the planet and riding your brain.
It's also just fucking embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
And you can find a real person who likes you,
not a robot who has been programmed to like you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Yeah, and like like that's weird behavior.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Yes, that's the thing. I think we need to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Go to your local life lost in the in the
in the romance section, someone will find you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
I think we need to move on from AI being
evil because it's not working. It is, but it's not working,
and I think we need to double down on using
AI is literally fucking embarrassing, and you do it. We
just are publicly shaming people like I genuinely think that
will be more effective. Anyways, let's do worst part, best
part of this episode?

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Best time? Tell me your worst part.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
My worst part is, Oh, I didn't write one down.
I mean, I didn't love this episode, but I think
probably I understand why the Dave stuff is in there.
I understand what they're saying with it. It's just not
treated with enough levity or enough gravity. It is in

(01:14:28):
a weird in between that feels uncomfortable. And that's my
worst part.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
No, I so agree. I'm not even going to pick
another worst part because I do think that is the
worst part of this episode. Oh yeah, I and I
agree it has a place in this episode because it
is a scary thing about the Internet, is the way
that the isolation can you know, take feelings you have
and you know, turn them, turn them against you. I

(01:14:54):
don't know, like you know, I don't have like a
concise way of saying this, but I do think it
is a scary about the Internet and about you know,
being alone that you know you forget to find community,
now forget. But I'm not saying this in a nice way,
so I I but I agree. I honor its place
in this story, and I do think it's important to

(01:15:15):
tell but it just I don't think it's handled the
best and I don't need to see what it showed me.
I don't need to see Buffy Summers feel that way
about it and then also have Giles like nearly joke
to her face about it, like it's not it's not appropriate. Yeah,

(01:15:36):
now the other direction. Tell me your best part.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
My best part is we get introduced to Jenny Calendar
and I think she's cool shit and just bring them.
Even if she was a one off character, she's fun
in this episode. I really like her, So shout out,
Jenny Callender. What's your best part?

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
My best part is the end when the teens are
commiserating about their terrible dating life and how their life
are never going to be the same, and it's really
funny but also true. But it just really made me
laugh and I was thinking, Xander's kind of I hate
to say this, you guys, don't tell anybody said this.
I think he's kind of sweety in this episode. Don't

(01:16:17):
hould it against me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Sorry if I said that Xander was kind of a sweetie,
we hold it against Okay, something we forgot to do
last week. Let's do our kill cown. Okay, so last
week an Angel, we lost Counum one, two three, the

(01:16:41):
three Goodbye. Of course, we lost Queen Mother Darla this season.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
In the Wall, I don't know that's very well. Sorry,
my slain.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Buffy Wicky also says the cockroach that got squished, I'm
gonna be re counting bugs. If it's not as big
as a it's not counting. I got love for bugs.
I got love for bugs. But we know, yeah, but
interest of a count girl, we count the pig. We
did count the pig. Okay, Okay, we can retroactively take

(01:17:23):
Herbert off the most if you want to leave her, Okay.
In this episode, we lost Carlow, Carlow, Miss Carlow, we
lost Dave, we lost Jacked and Fritz, and I believe
that's it because the other guy we never see die right.

(01:17:45):
Oh and then Mullick fully dies. She like he doesn't
get trapped in a book again, He fully is dead.
So Mullock as well. But the other like the scientist
at the CRD, as far as we know, survived the incident. Yeah,
they survived. They probably just like got pushed around. Well
he's like there with Fritz, you know, kidnapping Willow. So
we all off for this episode. So that brings our

(01:18:06):
master kill count up to.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Thirty thirty dirty thirty. It was giving like this is
my impression of a French person like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Oil well, happy kill count. Everyone, Thanks for listening. I
wrote about you, Jane.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
What's the next episode?

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
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Back to the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
I did a good job this week, Thank you you did.
And then I think likely if like an email comes in,
we'll put it in here. Yeah, but also there could
not be an email. Who knows who knows?

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
High Robots? Where Jane?

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Is that anything?

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
That's I think that's everything you we're here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
To Oh, first of all, sorry my my quality. Lee
and I are switching, and now I'm going to apologize
for my quality. You guys were doing our best.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Yeah, we've been podcasting for five years, and yeah, every
day is a school day. Brother, we learn all.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
We're actually going to pretend that we haven't and that
this is our first podcast and be like, you guys
are only a few weeks in our best.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
We're past just started seven.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Come on, but I like your attitude.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
But we're here to read. We're here to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Read emails about episode seven, which was Angel. So here
we go.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Let's do it. Okay, who should we start with?

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Oh wait, no, it's so crazy. My my quality isn't
bad on this one, it's bad next week on puppet Show.
So that's a free boiler. I apologize in advance. My
my quality is a little ass. Hey all right, and

(01:22:12):
now let's read some emails.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Let's start with JP. Shall we we? Shall? We asked?

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
And JP answered, We said, all of your first time watchers,
did you guess that Angel was a vampire? And JP
sent us an email with a subject.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
Line, Angel is a vampire.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Here's what the email says.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
You guys.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
I started watching the Angel episode and was getting ready
to send you all an email about how I'm an
Angel apologist and I don't understand why you both are
so wary of him, and then his vampire face came out.
I'm shook. I'm devastated. I'm so invested in the plot.
I gen't know why you guys don't seem thrilled about
Angel as a character. I'm also intrigued by his spinoff now,

(01:22:54):
but refuse to watch until I finished all the Buffy.
I'm about to start your Angel episode, so I may
have follow thoughts, but I needed to scream into the
void about his development. So thank you for listening. Your
best friend of the podcast always, JP. I am thrilled
to get this. I'm thrilled to experience someone's reaction. To
this in real time, and you know it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Jp uh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
I actually think Angel being a vampire is like something
that's like cool and kicks exactly what I like must
about it. It's it is the overwhelming, which I mean
this is link to his vampiism. He's just like, so
woe is me because he's like, I've killed so many people.
You don't understand. I'm just like a dude, it happened.

(01:23:43):
The past is the past. It's a brand new day.
Let's smile, Let's have some fun, Let's giggle.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Let's see a smile.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
I see a smile, and you'd be a lot prettier
if you smiled.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Yeah. Literally, I hate to see a pretty face like
that that's actually smiling. Yeah, David Born David borian.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Is, maybe try and lift up those cheeks a bit,
come on, literally, but I love to hear this.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Yeah, we were when we got this message. We immediately
message each other and we were just so excited to
see that. You know this, this reveal is so effective
because it feels effective even as people who knew that
he was a vampire. So I'm genuinely you didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
I mentioned this in the episode. I didn't know, and
I was gagged.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Okay, I love but then I'm speaking for myself, like
I you know, it feels effective for a person who
knew he was he was a vampire. But I love
this genuinely. I was so excited to read this message.
I thank you for for letting us share in that
joy with you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
When this email came in, I screenshot at it, sent
it to Lena and said, this is what we do
it all for.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
This is what we do all for. Makes it all
worth it? Make seriously JP, thank you. Can we read
Jasmine's email next?

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Hi, Leena and Ian, it's Jasmine. They them from New Jersey.
I loved the New Buffy pot episode. This is truly
the perfect choice. One thing that you brought up was
how Angel is the foundation for many of our contemporary vampires.
It's one of my favorite aspects of Angel's character among
his many flaws. While his brooding nature is so edward

(01:25:24):
the guys from Vampire Diaries, etc.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Etc.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
I do want to bring up a clear influence for
Angel's brooding romantic vampire archetype. While Angel is definitely the
visual reference for many vampires today, his broodiness is a
descendant of Louis de Pont de Lac. You, guys, I
tried my best from Interview with the Vampire. Hopefully you've
already engaged with this beautiful piece of media. But the

(01:25:48):
story follows the depressed, romantic, existential Louis Angel and the flashy,
reckless blonde Lestat Spike. The book by Anne Rice has
a campy movie that lends its to Buffy, but the
newer TV series is fantastic, and if you haven't watched it,
I would highly recommend. Once you consume enough foundational vampire media,

(01:26:08):
it's so easy to see how all of these stories connect.
Since falling down this vampire hole, it's been a pleasure
seeing how Buffy is both influenced and influential to the
wider world of vampire media. I know it's early in
the new Pott adventure, but I hope you'll be able
to get more into this cultural web that connects us
all much love Jasmine. The Madam Web reference is not

(01:26:30):
missed and is very much appreciated.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
It's iconic.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Yeah, her web connects all her being, Anne Rice.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Yeah, exactly. I have you seen the movie the Interview
with the Vampire? Ooh, you should say, have you seen
the TV show. No, but okay, well did you read it?
I've read it. Oh you read the book. That's so random.
I was like, fully not allowed. I loved the movie
growing up to the point of I begged my mom

(01:26:58):
to read it and she was like, no, you cannot
read this. I had like no rules growing up, and
she said no, Anne Rice.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
I'm extremely curious to see the movie because I want
to see how they The book is like so queer.
Yeah that, I'm curious how queer the movie is, if
it is all subtext or if they ever go Like
a lot of the book is like men saying I

(01:27:27):
love you to each other, but you could be like
they mean as friends, even though like, no, they obviously don't,
but theres fully are like I'm gonna be straight up.
There's a moment in the book where Armand has a boy,
like a human boy that he keeps as a pet,
who like wants to be turned into a vampire, and
Armand just like feeds on him every night, but doesn't

(01:27:49):
drink enough blood so that the boy will die. And
Armand is like, oh, have a snack off of my boy,
and Louis like drinks from his neck and it talks
about how the boy is fully the whole time, and
I'm like, so that's not like subtextually gay, Like, that's
just straight up is gay. So I'm very curious to
see the tone the movie takes. Your face right now

(01:28:13):
is so interesting? Are you homophobic?

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Yeah? Yeah, homophobic? No, thanks mom for not like no
boy like a child.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
He's it says boy, But I'm pretty sure he's like nineteen.
Oh he's not like ten different, No, he's like.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
No, okay, Well, in my mind it was that I'm like,
I don't remember the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
No, he's like a he's like late teens, early twenty
somewhere in there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Yeah. Well, I have not seen the TV show because
famously I don't have any of the streaming services that
I need to have to watch all the good shows.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
And I have heard that the TV show is straight
up gay. Is just like, oh yeah, straight up like
Louis and Lestat are hooking up, which the book it
like feels like they are, and the TV show is like, no,
they are.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
No. I yeah, and I love that. I would like
I'm definitely like in the market to see it, need
to like find a homie who's willing to let me
be on their account or let me come over their house.
But from what I remember of the movie, it's mostly pitectual,
Like I think they do kiss if I don't, I mean,

(01:29:16):
it's been years since i've seen it, but they also kiss.
Chris Kirson Dunst in it too, Like are.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
They kissing each other on the check or the kissing
on the lips?

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
No, Kierson Dunst first kiss ever was Brad Pitt.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
That's a little crazy on the lips.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Yeah, no crazy anyways, no crazy. I was obsessed with
that movie growing up. I want to see it. I
should watch it soon. Would I want to see it too,
And I mean, like I also I want to see
the TV show. That's what I mean. I really liked

(01:29:52):
the movie growing up. And also you're so right, like
this broody feeling feeling sorry for himself. Vampire is so
it's so Louie, it's so angel it's so Edward, it's
so Stephan. Like this web connects us all, and thank
you for the call to action. I think we should

(01:30:13):
keep talking about it. And I like the Vampire, the
vampire webs that connect us all. I'm excited about that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
I think it's it's funny just how like there's no
original ideas that it's like, oh my gosh, Edward is
such a copy of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. But then like, no,
exactly like you're saying, Desmine Angels clearly influenced by Louie,
where Louis, you know, for most of interview with the
vampire is only drinking rat's blood because he can't bring

(01:30:40):
himself to kill a human and feel so much guilt
about killing humans and is so like, woe is me?
I'm such discouraged on this world because I'm a vampire.
Very interesting book, not at all what I expected. I
had a very good time.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
Yeah, yeah, I'm really intrigued to hear that you've read
the book but you haven't seen either of the I
love that about you. The reason I read I think
that's cool and interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Reason I read the book is because Jasmine emailed us,
and I was like, this is intriguing. I read the
book because of this email.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Okay, wait, six, I love and.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
I had I had crossed my wires in my head
and remembered that Jasmine had said that Lestat reminded them
of Angel. I'm gonna be straight up, I was reading
the book and I was like, what the fuck are
they talking about? Listen. I kept being like, they're so
off base. Louie is like Angel, why did they say that?
Lastat reminded them of Angel? Then I finished the book,

(01:31:34):
went back to the email and was like, yeah, I
literally did not say that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
Okay, that's so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Yeah, my, hey, anyways, I.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Love this and thanks for bringing this up. I love
this very very very much.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Yeah, shout out. It was very interesting enough that I
read a whole book about it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
Jasmine, Thank you so much for your message. Shall we
read Sophie's now, Hey, Bestie's first up.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
I just want to say how much I'm loving your
readings applying the mythical situations to teen st ruggles, because
that application is something that truly does not come to
me easily. I just get so caught up in the
moment that it completely flies over my head like an angel.
Sure I got the link between Angels vamp face and
him getting horny, but the whole nice older boy not
being what he seems and revealing it in a compromising moment.

(01:32:18):
I felt so silly hearing you describe that, because of course,
so yay you guys keep being clever slash better at
media literacy than me. Smiley face. On the topic of
Angel's horniness, truly, I just assumed he was also a
teen turned vamp a Lah Edward Colin, like nineteen Max,
but finding out he was twenty six, Please say it

(01:32:38):
ain't so as unfortunate of a fact as it is.
We're gonna have to keep dealing with it for seasons
to come. So here are my coping strategies.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
One.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
Literally, so many high schoolers in the show are played
by full adults, so he really doesn't look all two
out of place as such. I will be pretending he
is nineteen until the exact moment they tell me otherwise.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
Hell yah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Two at least Buffy's the Slayer, Like I know, she's
still only sixteen, but at least there is a reason
for Angel to concern himself what she's up to, and
he's not just perving on a random girl.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
Three.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Oh my god, the drama is so delicious though. The
cross burned into his neck. Holy shit, that fucking slaps
like you've never seen. Looking forward to finding out more
about Liam O'Malley and hearing your coverage, Sophie xx.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
Oh my god, I love this, Cemal, and thank you
for sharing your coping strategy. I think I can employ
these as well. Like I love I know, like him
being if he was nineteen nineteen and twenty six, oh
my god, huge age gap, but also nineteen and sixteen
huge age gap.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
I mean, but also two hundred and seventy six and
sixteen huge age gap. Like my coping mechanism is he's
a vampire and this would never happened, like truly, he's
something that doesn't exist, and so therefore it doesn't bother
me at all, and I don't like it's fantasy and

(01:34:09):
like who cares. It's so bizarre because if he was
a human character, I would be more like umm, But
because there is never going to be any situation in
history where a teenage girl is being hit on by

(01:34:29):
a man who is three hundred years old, I therefore
I am like, yeah, whatever, I'll like past it. It's pretend
he's a vampire. Because same with Edward, Like, yeah, Edward
is physically seventeen, but Edward is also not seventeen. Edward
is like one hundred and eighty something. Mentally, he's still
like yeah, he acts like it. He's playing bingo.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
He's watching antique road show. I read his book recently.
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
He keeps saying whipper snappers.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
Seriously, he's his pockets full of oilers original. He can't
they just appear. He's like, fuck, keeps it kept happening,
It can't stop.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
He keeps talking about like the music these days, it's
just noise.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
He was like, noise, like the bussy forever.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Yeah see, and that's the deals pretend.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
No. He really fucks with Lincoln Park in the book.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
I remember so funny and one hundred and eight year
old man fucking with Lincoln Park. I believe it when
I see it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
I believe when I see it. Yeah, I believe when
I see it. Damn well.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Thanks for these emails everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
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on this episode that we're on right now, send us
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Love you all. Now back to the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
If you want to find us on social media, we're
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you have thoughts, send them to Recovering Gleek at gmail
dot com. What did you think of this episode. Did
you play VMK as a kid? Did you play VMK
as a kid? Because I can't find it?

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Are you Ian's VMK white? You let us? Does our
VMK sun still ask? She finds you here? She spent
the last thirty years searching for you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
She's like, lolow blue, I'd recognize that black, spiky hair
and purple skin anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
That's oh my god. Oh I have not heard of
VMK at all. It was the start All What did
you start All? No? What is that? Start All? Was
like a paper doll like dress up simulator, but it
also had chat rooms in it, and you could like
go to people's closets, which I mean similar vibes. Yeah,
but I mean it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
That's neopets to me because v VMK is very clipenguin,
Like they're basically the same thing as reskinned. Yeah sure, yeah,
I remember. VMK would always have like special edition outfits,
so like when High School Musical came out, they I
like bought the Troy We're All Together white track suit
and they would wear it around.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Oh my gosh. I would have asked you to be
my VMK husband. The gag, The gag I loved that game.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
You're gray Gray, so yeah, email us werecoming gmail dot com.
If you like this podcast, rate and review us, shout out,
help other people find us. That would be really lovely.
We'd appreciate it, would and Ghostleigh. I don't know every day.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
I love you guys, See you later. Here is a
okay so on your forehead from your internet friend. If
you accept it, but it's not weird, here you go boopeep.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
After we talked about this, being like, be careful what
people say to you, lin.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Wo bye bye.

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Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Were you into neopets?

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
That's crazy you are a neopets girl?

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
I was hard into neopets. I remember it was like
the goal of my life. They had a weekly newsletter
called the Neopian Times where people would submit stuff and
they would just like pick a few submissions to be
in the Nopian Times, and I was like, I would
die to be in the Niopian Times. I submitted so
many times. Oh oh, I finally got published once and

(01:38:50):
I never submitted again because I was like, well, I've
done it, feather in my cap yeah, And I was
like a I was like a fanboy for certain people
on the Niopian Times, which is so funny in retrospect
that I'm like this person I remember specifically you can
probably still find it. There was a comic in the
Nuopient Times called Spooky that would, you know, every few

(01:39:13):
weeks would get published and the author was just an
art student like in college studying art, who essentially drew
the comics as practice and then would submit them to
the Euopean Times. And I'm sure it's just like some
random nineteen year old who was just practicing their art

(01:39:33):
and this was a fun way to practice their art
and like get it onto the internet. And they had
no idea that this random nine year old was so obsessed.
Like every I read every single Spooky comic, every time
anyone came out.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
I was like a Spooky. I love that. If you
were the author, creator of Spooky, if you were Ian's wife.
We on VMK. We got two search warrants out.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
One is for my VMK wife and one is for
the the illustrator and creator of the Neopean Times classic
Spooky