BtVS S2E1 When She Was Bad

IT'S SEASON 2!!!! Buffy's back from summer vacation and struggles to get back into the groove of classes, friends, and being revived after a centuries old vampire king killed her.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is coming back from a hiatus. This is actually no,
it's not. We had a special last week. We had
a birthday special.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Oh, we had our birthday special, Glee Birthday Special. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Yeah, peek behind the curtain. We don't even know what
we're doing.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
For that yet we are and I hope you liked it.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
I hope you had a good time. I hope you
had a nice two weeks off, and then I hope
that you had a great time with our birthday special.
We haven't taken a week off. We record a Prophecy
Girl last week, and we're going straight into when she
was bad because we are unprepared as of this moment
to do the season wrap up or the birthday special,
so we're putting them both off.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I would rather have like a million episodes in the
cam so we have the comfortability to take our time
to figure that out. But that's just me.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
I agree, Let's get into when she was bad? Okay,
sick Recovering Gleek presents.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
A Queer Buffy Podcast. Hi everyone, I'm Lena and I'm
Ian and welcome to a Queer Buffy podcast. Welcome to season.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Two, gorgeous, Oh, welcome back here. We are Season two,
Buffy the bam Pire Slayer, Sarah, Michelle Geller, Alison Hannigan.
I just go, I list every single actor in the show,
keep going, going toward head, Cora Smack, car Panter, Nick Nico.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Dandan very Good, David.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
I Less, Jenny Callender. I don't remember her name. It's
such an are.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
And actually and also i've heard your vibe now and
I don't care to say your name.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Hey, I actually hear me out was reading stuff about
her recently, Roby Yes Scott. I have oodles of information
about Robia Scott and by oodles, I mean, like just
two more things from what I've said previously bout Robbia Scott.
So I mentioned previously that Robbia Scott like became a

(02:32):
born again Christian and then was like, I'm not super
comfortable with like my history of being on Buffy the
Vampire Slayer and like distanced herself from the fact that
she was on the show, And to my understanding, that
is all true, but in recent years she has kind
of come to reclaim it. She still is pretty conservative

(02:54):
from what I can tell, She's just pretty conservative, but
has talked very fondly about the show and that she's
like very proud to have been on it. But the
other thing I wanted to say about Roba Scott, which
I did not know, is prior to Buffy, the artist
formerly known as Prince, he had like a whole do

(03:17):
you know about this? He had a whole era. I
think maybe he released an album called Gemini. I'm so
sorry everyone, I actually don't know a lot about Prince.
I know a kiss in nineteen ninety nine and that's
about it, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, I never going to call you trouble. I never
to call you when it pain.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
But he had like the Gemini era. I don't know
if the album was called Gemini. I could easily look
this up right now, but I'm not going to. But
during that era, he was like, I want two twins
who like are my right hand ladies? And do I
talking for me? Did they find two twins? No, they didn't.
But did they find two dancers who looked kind of
maybe a little bit alike? Yes? And one of those

(03:55):
dancers was Robia Scott and she was like in a
music video with Prince, and then for a while she
and the other dancer would do all of his speaking
for him, like he would just sit silently, and then
she with him and time, I love so hey. And
then I was gonna say this during the glacts slacks.

(04:15):
Pardon me, we did Glee last week. Okay, I'm learning,
I'm growing. I was going to do this drying the slacks.
But I'll just say this now. I was reading an
interview with Robia Scott and I just thought this was interesting.
She was saying, this is weird. I read like one
interview with her offhandedly and came across all this information
and so I'm sharing it all now.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
But she was saying that what was she saying, I'm
trying to remember left my mind. She was talking about
why she thinks she got cast as Jenny Calender, and
she says that in the side that she was given,
which was one of the Giles and Jenny scenes from
her premiere episode from I Wrote What You Jane, she
thought that when she got the script, because the show

(04:59):
had not begun airing yet, that Giles was the name
of one of the students, and so she gave the
entire scene. She performed the entire scene as if she
was talking to one of her students and was like
talking down to them was like talking to some teenager
that she was kind of irritated with. And she's like,
and I think that's why I got the part. Is
they liked that like I was talking because then she

(05:21):
goes into the room and it's Anthony stewart Head, and
in her mind she was like, oh, I guess this
is just like who's reading the part, Like this is
the reader they got for the day as Anthony stewart Head,
and so she performed it as if he was her student.
And then they really liked that she was like talking
down to him and thought it was kind of sexy
and flirty.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
No, seriously, I'm like getting a flutter. That's awesome. E,
that's awesome. Good honor.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Hey, hey really suck well, Lena, what did you do
between season one and season two? How's your summary? Well?

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I went to la I went shopping a ton, I
was a bitch to my parents, you know, the regular.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Hey, yeah, good for you.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Thanks. How was your break between season one and season two?

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Was the most boring summer ever? I just kind of
like walked around the grave beard every night. I did
flirt a lot with my friend that I know have
an undercredit crushed on me and almost kissed her. No,
that was KOOKI crazy of me.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
No, that sucks of you, But.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
It was pretty uneventful. I do think this is something
we can talk about when we get into the episode.
I like, I don't know we can talk about the
shipping wars. Maybe we need to like get some slacks
out of the way first. Okay, I think that it
was an asshole move of Xander. But do I think
that he in that moment was actually attracted to Willow? Yes?

(06:47):
I think, yeah, I don't think whereas when Buffy flirts
a Xander, she fully is just manipulating him.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
In this episode, yeah, like, do I think it was
smart of him to do that and like put her
in a situation where he can walk away? So got free?
But and maybe not, you know, no, But it's also
like I'm sure he wanted to kiss her in that moment. Yeah,
so I don't think he's And shit, God forbid, seventeen
year olds kiss each other.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
God, And I've been saying that no more if you're seventeen,
no more kissing. Be like you're kissing, be like me,
and don't have your first kiss until you're a legal adult.
Because plays don't count because plays don't count.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Do you really think that plays don't count?

Speaker 1 (07:29):
I don't count it. I don't say my first kiss
because because it was Mike. Yeah, it was in front
of a bunch of people and our director said, okay,
now you kiss, so like I So.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I have always counted my first kiss, like on stage,
as my first kiss because it was the first time
my lips touched other lips. Yeah. But the older I get,
the more I'm like, I don't even think about that anymore.
And I do think about, like my first real kisses.
I just don't even think about it anymore.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Because I think the part of what makes the first
kiss so significant is like the fear and vulnerability of it,
of the like do I go for it? Are they
going to go for it? Will I get shot down?
Is this what I want to do? It's like a
big decision in the moment, it feels very scary, Whereas
when my director told us to kiss, there was no

(08:16):
decision aspect. It was like, well, we knew this was
coming eventually when we got cast, so here we go.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah. And it's also like the more I kiss, the
more I'm like, that wasn't kissing at all, no, for real,
you know when you're like when you're I mean, I also, like,
you know, didn't start. I don't even how do we even.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Get into this and start? Well you tell us, yes.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, I mean I didn't like I you know, I
didn't start like kissing people for real, for real until
I was like twenty one.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Hell yeah, you hear that, seventeen year old, you hear.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
That that you should be doing. So it was like,
you know, when I was when I'd only kissed like
five people, and like two of them were, you know,
by myself. I had to count the other three because
I had to kiss five people and not just two people.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Catch oh, I like, oh my gosh. I when I
was inexperienced and I had only actually kissed one person
out of my own free will, which was my girlfriend God.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Bless her, sending her love.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
The one that like, we would make out and I
would literally during the makeup be like how much longer
do I need to do this before I go? Oh god,
oh my god. She was cool as shit. I much
loved to her, but it was not if it's who I.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Think it is, I love that person, does.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Anything you think it is? You did not go to
college with her, did not overlap?

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Oh well, then it's not who I thought it was.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
You didd someone else that I'm thinking of.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Then, yeah, that's the conversation. We can This is pre
this is pre you and I meeting, This is my
freshman year. Okay, what was I even saying? Oh? But
then I at that time, if I was ever having
like those annoying locker room like and how many how

(10:28):
many girls have you kissed? Oh? I would count plays
because I was like, otherwise it's just one just like that.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, like I'm kissing babes all.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
The time, exactly, Like, come on, hello, you should have
seen me in my high schoo production of Beating the Beast.
I would open my eyes to see if the curtain
had gone down and I could break the kiss, and
sometimes it hadn't. It was it was steamy a lot.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Oh my god, I'm sure your high school production of
Beating the Beast those kisses are always steamy.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Of course. Of course, Well, Buffy season two, when she
was bad, she was horrid, and we loved it. We
loved it. We're very excited to have you here season two,
although we frankly loved season one. Hello everyone, wake it up.
It's great.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah yealler haters.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
But season two is when the population at large acknowledges
like Buffy becomes Buffy and becomes the show that became
a phenomenon. And so we're pommed.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
So we're pomp Oh oh, I mean we meet some
people in the next couple of episodes. My buttole is
clenched because I'm filled with anxiety and excitement.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
And my butthole is loose because I'm just feeling so
free and happy and comfortable in this moment.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
You and I react to things differently. I love it.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Oh no, it's over these next over these next single
digits of episodes, We're gonna meet quite a few iconic characters.
But for now and when she was bad, we're just
reacquainting ourselves with the iconic characters that we already know.
And I'm gonna give you some background information, some Slayer facts,
some slacks about when she was bad.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
You ready, When she was bad, she was horrid and
we loved it. Oh yeah, it's time.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
When she was bad, she was hoard and we loved it.
Is the first episode of season two. It is the
thirteenth episode overall. It was written and directed by Joss
whedoneen thirteen I Wanta Kill My Mom. It aired on
September fifteenth, nineteen ninety seven, which is like only two
weeks away. Hi, what is that? This is the eighteenth

(12:44):
birthday near me of this episode. Well, i'm talking about
right now when this episode's dropping, miss ma'am.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
But oh got it.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
It did come out like two episodes ish before your
first birthday, were correct. It's really the in between moment.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Sorry, that's just me making a think about.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Me and I love it and I love it. The
episode title comes from the eighteen ninety poem There was
a Little Girl by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, of which there
is a line which reads, and when she was good,
she was very very good. But when she was bad,
she was horrid. And we loved it and we love that,

(13:25):
which you may recognize was also May west slogan that
May West would always be like, when i'm good, I'm good,
but when I'm bad, I'm better. Oh, when I'm bad,
I'm better, yeah, which I believe was a little tip
of the hat, or, as Alaska says, when I'm bad,
I got a serious about an aurial disease, which I
believe is also a reference to There Was a Little Girl.

(13:48):
This episode marks the first time that David Boreanis appears
in the opening credits. He's been bumped up. Congrats David.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
I was excited for him.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Something to David. Crazy about Buffy. I feel like no
show that I have watched has more ever changing opening
titles than Buffy the Vampire Slayer. They are promoting and
demoting main cast. Oh my godstantly it is a revolving

(14:21):
door of whose name is or isn't in these opening titles.
It's craziness. This is our first big change and it
will be the first of many. Congratulations David, happy to
have d uh some other big changes and by some
other I guess just this one another big change of
the series season. Part of me of this season is

(14:45):
season one, the music director was Walter Murphy. Starting with
season two, the music director for Buffy the Vampire Slayers,
the person who's making all the music scoring is Christoph Beck.
Christoph Beck is a real one. I love Christoph Beck.
You have heard the music of Christoph Beck. He has

(15:05):
gone on to score many movies, some of the most
famous being He did all the scoring, so not like
the songs with words, but all the scoring for Frozen
one and two. He wrote, in my opinion, the best
theme in the entire MCU, which is the ant Man theme. Okay.

(15:27):
He did the music for ant Man one, two and
three D D D D D. I love that. I

(15:49):
that theme. It makes me throw my ass, it's so good.
He also did the scoring for Wanda Vision, Ever heard
of it? He also I have I love the scoring
Bangers Bangers, Bangers bangers, So once again, he didn't write
Agatha All Along. He didn't write the theme songs, but

(16:12):
he did all of the background music scoring, which there is,
Oh my gosh, there is like a specific theme from
WandaVision that I listened to all the time that has
like love in the title. I don't remember you guys,
but it's very look it up. It's very good anyways,

(16:33):
and it might be called or something. Yeah, it's been
about five years. He did the scoring for Agatha All Along?
Ever heard of it? He did the scoring for the
Muppets and Muppets Most Wanted Ever heard of them? Christoph Beck,
I love you for real talented talented man.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Oh my god, so do you know if he stays
on for the rest of the show or.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
I think he does. I think Christopher Beck stays on
for the rest of the show. And makes sense because
there are some themes in Buffy that I really really love, specifically,
a there's a theme called the Gift. Maybe you've heard
of it that I think about that theme all the time,
and it's got his Yeah, it's got his gracy little

(17:22):
palms all over it. In my opinion, let me double
check before I light to you. So he he composed
Buffy through five season six. He did not do the
final season for sure. Okay, but I think he did

(17:45):
it through season five for sure, and he might have
come back just for one episode of season six, or
he might have come back for more of that. Oh
it looks like okay, I got an answer for you, babe,
I got an answer for you. He was the music director,
did like all the episodes for two, three, four, and
then for season five he did the specific score I

(18:08):
brought up the Gift, and then season six he did
once more with feeling Hey, all right anyways, happy to
have him. Sarah Michelle Geller has got a beautiful little
haircut in this episode. Maybe you noticed This is because
during the hiatus I did, she starred in a movie
maybe you've heard of it called Scream two Omega Babe

(18:30):
Zeta and she had to cut her hair for Scream two.
Love You Cassie. Okay, is that her name? It is Cassie.
Her name is Cassie, but it's like her middle name
or something.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
She's in that movie for like girl. Just a second,
what spoilers? That movie is like over twenty years old,
the children having a cameo role, and it is not
the spoiler you think it is.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Her name is Ceci and cec is short for Cassie.
I believe is the gag of that Omega betas Eta. Anyways,
I remember when I first screamed too. I was gagged
because I was like, that's Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She's
gonna be a huge character, and so I was shocked
and also appalled at what happened to her. Sure, this

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episode starts a tradition for the rest of the show
of every season, beginning with the scene in the cemetery
shout out, here is a little fluke in this episode
is Jenny Calendar? I almost said, Carpenter, whoa Jenny Calendar?

(19:42):
One of the Gemini twins who spoke for Prince mentions
that she said the summer going to Burning Man in Blackrock.
But no, she did it because in nineteen ninety seven
Burning in didn't happen at Blackrock, Jenny Calendar, it happened
in the Hualapai Desert. So get your story. If you're
gonna lie to Rupertown's face, at least get your story straight.

(20:06):
At least get your facts checked.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Girl, so so embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
This episode marks the first appearance of a new location
at Sunnydale, Hi, which is the high school lounge room,
which we will see many many times moving forward.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Oh girl, I cheered, I said.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
The actor in this episode who plays the vampire who
like is pretending to be Cordelia when they lay the
trap and there's a vampire in the red coat who's
like crying. That actor later returns as a different character
in the season two episode be which Bothered and Bewildered.
She plays frenzied girl. She's one of the she's one

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of the students. I don't even know if she has
a lie, but she is in that episode.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Love that episode.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
I'm pumped for it. I'm pumped for it. That episode
has one of my favorite CR characters in it. Anyway,
here's some alternative titles. They're all over the map today
with these titles. We got I'm Excited, Spanish, Buffy turns Bad,
Italian The Shadow of the Master. Huh, Hungarian mesmerized.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Okay, what the hell?

Speaker 1 (21:27):
I don't know what that's about.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
What do they mean that?

Speaker 1 (21:29):
I would like a conference with Hungary and ask what
was that? What is that? What are you talking about? German?
Under the Spell of Evil, which is when I have PTSD.
From now on, I'm gonna say sorry, I'm under the
spell of Sorry, I have under the spell of Evil.
I'm under the spell of Evil?

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Is Trauma.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Under the spell of Evil? Sister French, The Metamorphosis of Buffy,
Finish the Touch of Evil.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Okay, I like that better?

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Check wouldn't she misbehaved and we loved it? Portuguese Portuguese
is The Comeback, starring Lisa Kudreu and the winner the
best title. The Japanese title is Buffy is a Bad Guy,

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with the exclamation points and the question mark.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Wait both yay. I love punctuation.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Buffy is a bad Guy. Exclamation point, question mark Buffy
is a bad guy.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Buffy is this because also I'm asking myself, Buffy.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Is a bad guy. Wait, I've seen this show.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
She's acting bad.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Buffy's are bad and I love it and we love it.
Okay it now onto our next segment. We're to the
Bronze to see what's playing at the Bronx. Who's playing?
Pardon me, who's playing? We got Chibo Moto. Whoo woo

(23:18):
woo woo woo woo woo woo feeling. I have a
feeling that Chiebo Moto was my favorites of all time.
I feel like they were the first like big get
for the show. You know, the show had had now aired.
It's like was a success for the WB. Sarah Michelle
is going off and doing movies. I feel like Chuba

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Motto is like the first time they get a band
that mainstream people have heard about on the show and
that's why they name drop them in the show. And
then outside the Bronze is this enormous sign, bigger than
the Bronze sign that says Chibo model.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
It's what they deserve, It's what they deserve.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
They're being like, you guys, we got a They're here,
They're here.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
We got him so God.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Chibu Motto was formed by Yokahnda and mihu Ha Tori
in New York City in nineteen ninety four, after they
previously had worked together in a noise rock band called
Leto Laichi. In nineteen ninety seven, they added Timo Ellis
and Sean Lennon. Sean Lennon, who appears in this episode

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and is playing bass guitar, is the son of John
Lennon and Yoko Ono. No Way, yeah, hey.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
They like spend time on him too.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
They were like, to me, that's that's John Lennon's son.
In case you didn't know, here is I love the
idea that John Lennon was like, should I name him
after me? That's too obvious. I'll change one consonant sound.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
We'll go that sounds just like him. That sounds just
like him.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Actually, I'm naming my son Gien all read.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
So gen is great. I'm holding you to that.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Thank you. I'm gonna rum still skin great, don't Okay?
I got it? So you're gonna kidnap my son if
I don't name him Jan so yeah and rename him
Chievo Motto. Their first album come out nineteen eety six
is called Vivla Woman and their album was mainly about food.

(25:34):
The name Chibo motto is actually Italian for crazy food.
They wanted to show that lyrics were not imperative to
having successful music, and that you could connect to an
audience and have them experience the music regardless of what
the lyrics were, just through the melodies, and so they

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purposely wrote kind of flippant lyrics about food as a
bit of a social experiment that they had. Yes Go
The Beatles were also like doing that Yeah, I agree that.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Song where it's like all in Italian but it's basically nothing.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, or like I'm the walrisk could chew could choo choo?
Could chew? Sure, And someone listened to that was like
this really, it's like they're reading my diary. Yeah, totally
love it, like that I'm in an Octopus's garden. So
some of their their their music started to become successful.
They started to have some moderate hits, and then there

(26:39):
are music videos for Know Your Chicken and sugar Water,
which is the song that is featured in this episode
when Buffy slow dances with Xander. Those music videos aired
on MTV and became extremely successful, and that's kind of
what made the band take off. They obviously made an

(26:59):
appearance of Buffet Them, We Just Saw It. They also
made appearances on the TV shows Oddville and Viva Variety.
Let me tell you, I watched the music video for
sugar Water Girl. It's good and Girl It's good. Oh really,
it's It is the last five years of music videos.

(27:20):
It's the our two main players, Yuka and Miho, and
it's split screen, so half of the screen is following
Yuka and half the screen is following Miho, and one
of the tapes is being rewound, and one of the
tapes is being fast forward, I mean, is being played normally.
And when you watch the music video you realize it
was all one take and there were just two separate

(27:41):
cameramen following the two different women, and the tapes intersect
halfway through and the cameramen switch which women are following.
It's extremely impressive.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I can't I can't go on until I've seen this.
That's really awesome.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
And there's a lyric in sugar Water about like when
a black cat crosses my path, and they have a
black cat cross both of their paths in both takes,
and that lyric happens twice in the song, and they
time it up exactly so that the black cat. I like,
I don't know how to explain this to you properly

(28:18):
without you seeing it, but the black cat, the image
of the black cat crossing their paths happens both times,
and it's like the same image because one of because
they're both being filmed at the exact same time, but
one is rebounded, one is forward, and they have timed
it out exactly so that you see the cat, and
both times you see it as when that lyric is happening. Wow,

(28:39):
that sounded crazy, you guys. It's on YouTube now.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
I told I got what you were saying, but it's yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Very I was watching it and I was like, oh,
this is really interesting. I'm enjoying this. And then when
I started to piece together, oh my wait, they look
like they're in the same location. Oh my gosh, they're
about to run into each other. It really made my
brain explode. That's good.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, really cool. So they're so excited to watch it.
That's really really cool.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
There are two songs by them in this episode. Obviously,
sugar Water is what Buffy is sexy dancing to, and
then when they first get to the bronze they are
performing spoon alright. So they disbanded in two thousand and two,
but then they reunited in twenty eleven Yay for a
benefit concert Heay to raise money for the twenty eleven

(29:29):
Toku earthquake and tsunami that happened in Japan. And then
after they reunited in twenty eleven, they then went on
a reunion tour in the US. I'm obsessed with this
titled Yeah basically Chiba motto. That was the name of
their tour.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
That's awesome, Oh my god. They released That's what this
whole vibe.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
They released their third album in twenty fourteen. They toured
Japan and North America in twenty fifteen, and they broke
up again in twenty seventeen. Waw waw that's Shuba motto
And do we want to do podcast at the end
or do we want to do it in the slacks?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
We've been doing it at the end, so we can.
But I can also do in the slacks. I don't care.
So those are reslacks then bye, wow, those are good ones.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
I actually I will why I see you? It always
helps when it's the start of a new season. But
I was like, for the first time ever, I don't
feel like I'm having to like scrape the bottom of
the barrel thing we talk about.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
Yay, let me tell you give you a recap, all right?

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Would you like that? Would that be okay?

Speaker 1 (30:47):
I get if you have to, I guess.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
All right, gosh, here is a recap for when she
was bad.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
She was horrid.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
I love it. Okay, here's what you missed on Buffy
the Van Oh okay now listens as previously previously on
Buffy the Vampire s Layer, Buffy is back and better

(31:18):
than ever. It's junior year and Buffy has a massive
tude and is being a total butt head to her friends. Huh,
I wonder why. Perhaps she's possessed or get this, perhaps
she hasn't worked through her issues about being literally hunted
for an entire year and murdered. Id k Angel tells
Buffy he misses her, and Buffy goes wild. She goes

(31:42):
to the Bronze and is making it everyone's fucking problem.
She dances sexy with Xander, making everyone in the whole
bar upset, and she walks away with chaos in a
fucking wake. The Anointed One is back and trying to
bring back the Master. He in the vamps kidnap all
the people who are in the room when the Master
was murked, Jenny, Giles, Cordy, will and Willow and if

(32:03):
Willow dies, Xander says he'll kill Buffy.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Buffy goes to the Anointed One's crew and goes crazy mode,
killing all the vamps, sands the Anointed One he got away,
and smashes the Master's bones to smithereens. Buffy feels like
shit for being mean to her friends, but like what
teenager hasn't been sad and then mean to her their friends?
Growing up is hard. Give my girl a break. And
that's what you missed on Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Sounds like sounds like a spell of Evil if you
ask me, no.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Series under the Spell of Evil. A touch of Buffy's
a bad guy? Question mark exclamation point.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Wait, I was listening to that recap and I went,
Buffy's a bad guy, all right? When she was bad,
she was horrid and we loved it. Did you love it?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
And we loved it?

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I love this episode?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Hell yeah yeah? Did you yeah? You already know this?

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Good? Well, when she was bad, she was and we
felt about it it was fine. No, when she was bad,
she was horrid, and it was fine.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
When she was bad, it was she was horrid, And
honestly I felt middle of the road about it.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
When she was bad, she was hord and I was underwhelmed.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
When she was bad, she was Horden. Honestly, so was
the up.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
That's we're not topic that that's the best one.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
We're not, No, But honestly, I think this is just
such an amazing way to start this season.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Like a.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Sarah Michelle Geller has gone through rigorous fight training. The
fighting is crazier than ever. The kicks are crazy. She's
doing flips and ship off of the banister.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
I believe that is her stunt double shout out, but yes,
is yet.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
What are you talking about? No, yeah, no, totally. I
think that, you know, shout out to the sun level
for real, give them their flowers. But I mean it's
also like, you know, they have really upped the fight
choreography in this season, like we're letting the show is
letting us know that they are like taking the fighting
aspect really seriously, so that is immediately very fun. I

(34:23):
also think that taking it in this really emotional route
is like one of my favorite things about this show,
Like one of like my favorite moments in season one
are the moments where you see how carrying the weight
of the world is affecting Buffy And of course this

(34:46):
girl literally died, she was hunted and then murdered, Like
how else would she react? And you know, to also show.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
That, like.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
The conflict between friends, I don't know, like it's just
like a it's a I hate to say fun, but
it's a fun new dynamic in this friend group, like
Xander v. Buffy, Like that dynamic is so intense and delicious,
and like also the entire arc of Buffy feeling like apathetic,

(35:22):
to feeling like so out of control, to feeling like
almost like nearly violent towards her friends and then kind
of going crazy and then in the end, like the
full breakdown and then feeling like total shit and then
her friends being like, hey, growing up is hard. We
are here for you. You have been through a lot,

(35:43):
and we forgive you for kind of treating us mean
for these three days. Like I don't know, like this
the whole arc is just very very very exciting, and
I think takes this the show in a new direction
in terms of emotionally. M like, it's nah, it's not
as silly as as other episodes than season one, and

(36:04):
I just think it is. I love it very much.
I'm obsessed. Well, yeah, episode I literally I watched it
and I was so excited to rewatch it again to
see truly the breadth of emotion that Buffy goes through
in this episode. I'm obsessed. Okay, tell me what you
think about the episode.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yes, I agree, when she was bad, she was horrid,
and I loved it. I this is something I will
keep on saying. I think Buffy has a fantastic plot.
But what I love about Buffy is that I feel
like most of the time they prioritize character over plot.
They really really really care about who these characters are

(36:45):
and are so interested in unpacking how things affect the characters,
as opposed to like, let's move on to the next thing.
And so personally, I'm all four an hour of television
that is just exploring how would Buffy emotionally react to
everything that she went through in season one, specifically Prophecy Girl,

(37:07):
And like, at the end of the day, plot wise,
you know the Master already died and all we do
in this episode is just verify, like, and he is dead.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
And he's staying dead.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, But I am so much more interested in seeing
Buffy under the spell of evil. I love seeing her
process everything. And you know, I think everyone's been there.
I think everyone has had those peers in your life. Obviously,
not like I was killed and then I came back
to life, but you've had those periods in your life

(37:41):
where you're going through something so hard and you are
being a huge asshole to the people around you, and
then you clock that and then you feel even worse
because you're like, I'm being a huge asshole. But then
when you're around those people, you do just like get
so you're so on edge that you're getting frustrated with them.

(38:01):
And then also, I think everyone's been on the receiving
end of that, where you have a loved one who
is being an asshole to you and you're like, okay,
but actually, look at big picture.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
They're going through a lot, right, I'm still here and
I still have feelings, Yeah, but you are going through
a lot.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah. And I like the way Buffy's friends handle this
in this episode that they do stand up for themselves.
They are like, hey, so please stop treating us like this.
But then the second that Buffy stops treating them like that,
they don't even She doesn't even need to say sorry.
It is fully understood, like we know that you were

(38:38):
going through a lot. It's water under the bridge. We're
all moving forward now. These three in their friendship is
very important to me, and I love the way that
they interact with each other in this episode. I love
the way that they stand up for themselves. I love
the way that they forgive Buffy. I love the way
that Buffy processes her feeling and that the show allows

(39:01):
her to be flawed and to do things that are
manipulative and mean. And specifically, I love how protective Xander
is of Willow in this episode.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, oh my god, he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Like how Buffy is treating him, but when he puts
his foot down, it's like, you actually need to cut
the crap. It is specifically because of how she is
treating Willow and then him being like, oh yeah, Also,
by the way, if anything happens to Willow, I will
kill you. I just the reason I have complicated feelings
about it is because I'm like, to what degree is
Xander unaware that Willow has a crush on him, And

(39:34):
I feel like a lot of the times he is
kind of like maybe leading her on. But as far
as him like having a very protective older brother vibe, yes, yes,
And I do love in Buffy when he has this
kind of like brotherly protective vibe over Willow, someone who
is an incredibly kind and soft spoken person and because

(39:58):
of that often gets taken advantage of.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah. I mean, I obviously hate to see Xander like
threaten Buffy because that's my that's my girl. But I
also I appreciate so much him putting his foot down
like that, like you know that innocent, that innocent, amazing Willow.
If she gets hurt, like you're asked like that's not right,

(40:24):
Like you have been acting recklessly, you put us in danger.
You know that you are going through something obviously, but
all these things are true, and if that girl is gone,
it's your fault. I think, like, obviously, that's my girl,
not too much on my best sie. But it's also
like there's some truth to that she Buffy is acting.

(40:45):
When she was bad, she was horrid and and I'm
not loving that. But it's also like I love it,
you know what I mean? So I like that moment
he did not love it, and I mean, like, you know,
it's also like there's also the other side of the
coin of like him leading on Willow is Buffy leading
on Xander in that way like he kind of has

(41:05):
in my mind, he could probably have like a new
maybe understanding of what Willow may or may not be
going through in terms of like being led on in
that way, and like how that must feel in your
heart and body to like, you know, be picked up
almost kiss this person who you know exactly exactly like

(41:27):
you know, Willow goes through like nearly the same thing
in the beginning of the episode where Xander almost kisses
her and then Buffy shows back up and he forgets
about Willow immediately, like you know, so they have like
a parallel in that moment moment. So I can totally
see how he would maybe have a new understanding and
empathy for Willow in that I'm I'm loving this.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Yeah. Should we talk about the shipping wars? Should we
talk about Zillow? Yeah? Tell me about it. Versus Vander
versus Banglo Sure Angle Angel Angel.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Angel not Bangl Bengal.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
I was like, how do you see that guy's name?
Just I don't know. I talked about when we started
this podcast that I was like, I understand why's in
this episode because it's like true of growing up that
you have crushes on friends. Like, I'm not particularly compelled
by it. I redact that I'm compelled by it now, sick.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I've been waiting for this moment. I'm a big shipper.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Sorry, I like. I think the most compelling scene of
the episode is Buffy killing three birds with one stone
by dancing with Xander. That She's like, I'm gonna make
Angel jealous and in the process, I'm hurting my best
friend Willow. And in the process I'm also hurting Xander
by leading him on. And just like, because she is

(42:46):
at the center of this like love quadrangle, she manages
to destroy three people just by doing that. It's very compelling.
And the shots of oh when she was mad, she
was lower and we loved it. The shots of Angel
and then Willow watching, It's very good and I am
compelled by Like we were saying at the beginning of

(43:07):
the episode, I do think that Xander wanted to kiss
Willow in the graveyard. I don't think he was playing
with her. Yeah, now I think that maybe like he
wasn't considering the gravity of the situation and like this
is my friend who has a very deep crush on me.
But I think I have always felt that that was
kind of saying if Buffy had not rolled into Sunnydale,

(43:30):
it was inevitable that Xander and Willow were going to
end up together. Like she actually unintentionally has prevented that
from happening because they were always destined to be together.
But now that she is here, she's like the shining
new toy and keeps distracting Xander, and so it is
telling that when she goes out of town for three months,
the inevitable conclusion is that they're going to kiss. And

(43:54):
I find like that interesting enough that like there is
a ten there, and there is it's not fully one
sided with Willow, Like there is this attraction Matt. It's
just like us and Matt Boehmer that we were dating
and then Matt Boehmer came and we tried to do
a threat bole and we both fell too deeply in

(44:14):
love with him and it ruined our relationship with him. Yes,
it's actually that's a really apt Parallel is exactly like that,
and I find that I find that interesting.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
I mean, like it's a tale as old as time.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, which is I also think it's
funny because I don't get the vibe at all that
if Angel wasn't in the picture, Buffy would be interested
in Xander. It's like, yeah, yeah, it is truly. He's

(44:49):
he's got his head in the clouds. He's reaching for
the stars. Poor guy.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
He's out of his leg yes, I.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
So when I was like sitting down to write some
of the jingles, I like, they have a Spotify playlist
full of every song that's ever been on Buffy, right,
So I was just like listening to it and I
was like going throughout my day like trying to get
the vibe. And then this song came on and I like,
I was drenched in a cold sweat. I remember being

(45:24):
like sixteen seventeen seeing this, and I was irrevocably changed
for the rest of my days, like even today, Like
watching it, I was like, oh, something about that scene.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
It is.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
It is hot, hot, hot, hot, double hot. I love
that fucking scene and it changed me bad. So that
song came on and I literally, I was like, what
I feel like Ray and I was like having a vision.
I was like, what's going on? And then I was like,
oh my god, this is the Xander Buffy dance scene
and oh my god, oh my got her hands and

(46:11):
the way it's lit, and then like oh my god,
and like peering to everyone watching them. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Did I ever thank you for saving my life? Going
to kiss him and then pulling away and saying don't
you wish I would? And walking away.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Nasty and then grabbing my coat and not looking at
a soul. Oh my god, nasty work. Oh my god,
It's changed my fucking life.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
It was when that song came on, I went, I like,
I know how this song goes, which does not happen
with Buffy the Vampire Slayer. They leave my mind as
soon as I hear them. But I it had such
a profound effect on me as well when I watched
it as a teenager that I was like, oh, I
actually fully read this song. Yeah, And there are certain

(47:09):
oh my god, there are certain theme song clips that
are like iconic to me, like Catherine Madison going ah
with the white light on her and Buffy Sexy dancing
with her hands above her head. Is when I always
think of that little clip from Sugar Water that is
in the season two intro famous to me, Famous to me?

(47:34):
Hell yeahs to me.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Seriously, As for me and my house, we serve the Lord,
and the Lord is Buffy. When she was bad, she
was horrid and and I.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Loved it, and I that whole scene is very you
know Buffy, this whole episode is being short, she's being rude,
but it's all stuff that you could maybe like rationalize,
where she's like, how am I gonna have to be
like fighting for this? Yes? And then that scene is

(48:05):
specifically like, oh, actually, there's no rationale for this. She's
just being nasty.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Buffy's a villain.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
This is the scene where you go, Buffy's the bad guy.
There is like, no, there is no non asshole explanation
for this. She specifically just wanted to piss someone.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
She was trying to hurt them.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Yes, exactly. Yeah. It is so powerful to have the
person who calls her out on it be hb I
c Cordelia Chase, Cordelia Chase walking out and saying are
you running for Bitch of the Year.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
That whole sequence from Angel in Oh my god, I'm
fucking freaking out right now, Angel in her bedroom. This
fucking pisses me off. Angel I, I honestly I totally
get how when she was bad, she was horrid, because
this pissed me the fuck off. When he comes into
her bedroom to like wake her up to warn her

(49:00):
about something, it's like, homie, write her a letter, what
the hell are you doing? And then to put icing
on the fucking cake. He tells her he misses her. Angel, No, no, no,
you're on my fucking list.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
It like makes me fucking hyperventilate. He's on my fucking
list for that, And honestly, that would set me off,
and I'm glad to see that. It sets Buffy off
because even like to watch what Angel puts her through,
even in terms of just like you know, almost biting

(49:38):
her mom, putting her in danger, lying to her about
being a vampire x y Z YadA, YadA, YadA, and
then to be her sworn enemy in terms of being
a vampire, and then to also like know how deep
her feelings go, and then to oh my god, to
say he misses her and then to run away before

(50:00):
she can respond, Angel, you're on my list? The rest
of the sequence and then going into the bronze the
sexy dance to Cordy. Oh my god, that entire like
ten minutes of screen of like, you know, whatever, screen
time is perfect television. It is, so this is what

(50:25):
I want to see.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
I agree, Angel giving his best, giving serving Edward Cole
and realness watching her sleep. Sincerely. I'm like Stephanie Meyer,
big Scooby. She loved Buffy.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Oh my god, I'm sure I.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Don't care what anyone says. She watched this TV show
and I love in the Cordelia scene when she's talking
to Buffy and she's like earnestly from her heart trying
to give Buffy advice and says to her, you know,
we've never really been close, which is nice because I

(50:59):
don't like you that much. But I love that so much,
Cordelia Chase. And then to top off everything that you said,
which I agree with everything you said. That whole sequence
is amazing, and then to end it with Buffy like
flippantly turning her back on Cordelia and walking away and
then watching Cordelia get kidnaped by vampires in the background. Yes,

(51:23):
Fan Pastick, fantastic. I want to talk a little bit
about our vampires, about Absalom, I think that's his name.
I don't know the guy who gets set on fire
and his little crew. First and foremost, they're not a factory.

(51:48):
They're not in the sunken church anymore. They're not underground.
Are we led to believe that because the Hellmouth closed,
that underground layer no longer exists like it got like cave?

Speaker 2 (52:02):
I bet I think that's what they're saying.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Okay, that's kind of what I assumed as well, So
now they gotta go to the fact.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I don't like know the cave system too well and
in Sunnydale, but I assume that them mentioning hell Mouth
closed means that area is no more.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yeah, because the reason the Master was down there is
because he was stuck between like the hell Mouth and Sunnydale.
So it would makes sense. Yeah, yeah, I think that's
the vibe when.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
You get caught between the hell Mouth and sunny.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
I'm so sorry, you might just fall in love. How
does that song goes the love? Something like that? The
only thing to do is fun, I believe, is the lyric.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, how about that Sunny Day.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
The Only fall love? Anyways? Also, I love a switcheroo.
I think it's really fun that this whole episode we
have this revivification spell and the translation is confusing, but

(53:18):
it's something about the person who is closest to whoever died,
and so Buffy is like, oh, well, obviously I'm closest
to him he drank my blood. But no, no, no,
no no, it means geographically closest, and so they are
kidnapping the four people who were in the library, whereas
Buffy was on the roof when he died. I think

(53:39):
that is so clever and so exciting, and it being
the whole rock that says like, we have Cordelia and
you know we're gonna kill her if you don't show up,
it being so obviously a trap, but we all believe
it is a tracker. He's going to walk in, and

(54:00):
I love that is one of my favorite Sander lines.
They're gonna make her a meal, They're gonna make her dinner.
But I didn't say anything, but we all think it's
a trap because Buffy's gonna you know, she's feeling reckless,
and so she's gonna show up and it's gonna be
she's gonna be way out numbered. But she doesn't care
because she's really depressed anyway, So honestly, maybe it would

(54:21):
be fine if the vampire has killed her, But actually
it's not a trap for her. It's a trap for
her friends, and they're just trying to get her out
of the libraries so they can kidnap her friends. And
that also is the only way that you can really
get this Buffy to care, because if you didn't hear,
Buffy's a bad guy, and so she doesn't care. She
doesn't care if she's ill prepared for a fight because honestly, honestly,

(54:45):
it might be great if she loses, but for her
friends to now be the ones in danger because of
her actions is like the one thing that can snap
her out of it. I feel like that like I
was ten years old describing the plot of this episode,
but hey, no, I loved it.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I think true. I agree. I think the switch through
is very, very, very exciting, and from everything we know
about Buffy, every single time she is off track, the
thing that gets her back on track is her loyalty
to her friends and her need to keep them safe.

(55:27):
So like, of course, this is the thing that you
know gets her back on track, and also like, you know,
is the thing that cuts the deepest because she doesn't
care if she gets hurt. She's acting recklessly. She doesn't care.
But then her acting recklessly for herself. Her head's not
on a swivel. She misses Cordelia, she's missing the you know.

(55:49):
Oh my god, it's very very very exciting.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Another banger line of this episode is there's a few
banger lines. When Willow says Willow posits that Buffy might
be possessed, and Giles is like, I don't think so,
and Willow says, why else would she be acting like
such a b I t h Giles, I think we're
a little old to be spelling things Xander A big cut,

(56:18):
classic line, classic line. And when Principal Snyder, which someone
on Spotify commented and said that Principal Snyder is a
sou Sylvester of Buffy and they are so right. When
a principal Snyder says to Giles, I love that there
are some things I can just smell. It's like a
sixth sense, and Giles says, actually that would be one

(56:41):
of the five.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
That's one of the five. Yeah, very good, very good.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Oh, there are a lot of I'm scrowing through my notes,
and there are a lot of excellent jokes. That's the thing.
This episode has very strong, a very strong emotional journey.
It's got a lot of sadness and depression from Buffy,
and yet it is hilarious. G Man, what's up? Nice
to see you, and don't ever call me that. There

(57:09):
are so many good lines.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
And it's so funny too, because the tone is certainly
different than season one, like immediately different than season one,
but the jokes are still ongoing. The tone is just different,
so I'm still we're still laughing, we're still having fun,
but we're also going on a way more intense emotional journey,

(57:34):
which is so fun. I feel like, you know, even
like compare it to Glee what you know us, Glee
can sometimes only be one of the two. I mean,
at its best, it can be both, but sometimes, you know,
it kind of loses its you know, Quippi funness for
the sake of tone. And I think Buffy does this

(57:58):
so well where we're still having our quip be fun,
but we've changed the tone to a new thing, but
the transition is also still still still good.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yeah, I think it's smooth, smooth, smooth, smooth.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Smooth, yeah, smooth move.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
And I think they do a very good job of showing,
not telling us about the way that Buffy is feeling,
and also revealing it in a realistic way where we hear,
you know, she hasn't they haven't really heard from her.
She said some postcards at the beginning of the summer,
but they haven't heard much since then. And then you

(58:38):
see how excited Xander and Willow are to see Buffy
in that it is clearly not matched by how excited
Xander and Willow are to see her. I don't know, Yeah,
I'm kind of like, have we already talked at this
point to death? Is there anything else to say about this?
But we as an audience had a lot of fun
during season one. It was very exciting. It was very silly.

(59:01):
But for Buffy, like coming back to Sunnydale, that's the
place that she has to fight monsters constantly, and everyone's like,
oh my gosh, we're so excited to have you back
because we almost just got killed by a vampire. And
now she has to deal with the fact that, oh,
I can't do what I was doing all summer, where
I was pretending to just be a normal kid, I
actually have to come back to the reality of what

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my life actually is. And like her saying that masking
she's seen Giles yet they're all pumped about it, and
she's like, why would I do that, I'll see him
at school. That she just wants to live in the
fantasy of it's summer vacation.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
They want her to get back to work.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
There's even that moment too where you know, they're so
excited to have her back because they are not Their
heads aren't on swivels like they need to be, like
they're on patrol, but they don't need to be, you know.
And to also hear like to have Buffy here that
there's been no vampires while she he's been gone to
like also reinforce that feeling that she feels sometimes that

(01:00:04):
she's the problem and she's making everything worse.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Yeah, she's the monster.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yeah, Buffy's a bad guy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
But Buffy herself is going Buffy's a bad guy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Not seriously, She's like, what the fuck? And you're like
that like evil follows her wherever she fucking goes. God,
I you know that's so terrible. And also like that
her friends like do they actually want to hang out
with her for her or is that just what she
can like give them, Like is she just giving them
safety because they're acting, they're they're being stupid?

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Yeah, And how mean?

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
How many times have I like picked a fight with
a friend or you know, talked, you know, without thinking
to a friend because I've been going through something and
that and that's just I didn't I didn't even die, man,
I didn't even die. I just really, I just you know,

(01:01:02):
I really empathize with Buffy and even when she's bad
and she's where, don I love it? You know, I
just really feel for her, and I I'm really to watch.
Oh my god. Probably my favorite part of this whole
episode is Buffy feeling like shit and like confiding in

(01:01:24):
Giles and being like, I can't believe that I did that,
that I put you all in danger and that I'm
just so like, she's so sorry, and she and then
for Giles to go that is hardly gonna be the
thing the worst thing you ever do in your life.
And I know that doesn't sound good, but it but
it does offer her comfort and honestly, it's true, it's

(01:01:45):
not gonna be the worst thing she does in her life.
She doesn't have to feel that bad way. She doesn't
have to beat herself up about it. She didn't mean it,
like she said sorry, she made it right. She's going
through something. Her friends know that. And then to have
her friends go back like nothing is wrong and ready
to you know, you know, forgive her and give her
some grace, it's, oh my god, it really it's serially

(01:02:08):
made me cry. I was like, this is so beautiful.
When she was bad, she was hord and I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Yeah. Also, Gile says to Buffy, punishing yourself, like, this
is pointless, and she responds, it's entirely pointy. Love that line.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
It's entirely pointy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
It's entirely pointy. And let me just say, when her
friends forgive her and they move on with their lives,
and they're like, what do you want to do tonight?
Do you want to go to the Bronze? I don't know,
And someone suggests mini golf and Willow says, there's no
many golf course in Sunnydale, one of those. I like

(01:02:48):
the fact check that because later I believe this exact
season they go mini golfing. We'll talk about it when
we get there. Maybe they built one, they put someone
in that class heard and they were like, oh, I
had a great idea for a business. Wait a second,

(01:03:11):
let me pull one of those out. Hey, Okay, I
have like miscellaneous thoughts that I'm like, how do we
do we get tell these one of these? When she
was bad, she was hord and I loved it. Buffy
torturing a vampire by putting a crucifix in their mouth.
I'm noticing this all God as I watch Angel. But

(01:03:31):
the Buffy verse does a good job of having our
heroes in dark places, and then when they're in dark
places they start to It is reflected in their fighting style.
They start to really let their enemies happen. And like,
oh my god, I don't think that the Buffy in

(01:03:52):
season one, episode three, which would have done this to
a vampire. But when bad Buffy is going to put
a crucifix in your mouth and for your jaw closed
until you're gonna give up information.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
She's literally torturing this girl. I like, where did she
get that? She's been reading the Art of War? Like,
what the hell?

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
It was?

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Creepy?

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Can I also make a comment, and I I hate
to talk poorly on this TV show and these make
up artists. I hate it. I hate to do it,
but I'm gonna that vampire. The woman has the worst
set of teeth on the show. And maybe it's just
the angle that's her film they're filming her at, but

(01:04:32):
you can tell the gums are right over her teeth
and they like jet out in a really funny way.
It was giving like this was a rush job and
they needed her to say more dialogue, so they like
made like, you know, built new teeth for her and
like built them out over her teeth and just it

(01:04:53):
was not my favorite set of teeth I've seen on
this show.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
I just feel like they always you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
They do have a like a pretty intense sideway shot
of this actress where you know they're laying on the
table and their teeth are protruding, protruding out pretty far.
Which I mean, if anyone's laying on the table and
we're getting that look at their teeth, maybe that's what
they look like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Maybe she just has an overbite and she's self conscious
about it and are bringing it up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
You know, I told you I hate to do it.
I told you I hate to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Hey, speaking of Buffy, torturing miss girl, end it burning
her mouth, Miss Girl, Miss Girl, that's canonically here, it's
not Tarot. That's another thing I noticed researching this episode
is all these one off vampires have names. Miss Girl
is Tarry, Yeah, the guy who sets on fire's absalom.

(01:05:44):
The other vampires of the factory are named Walt, Jane, Ned,
and Bob, Like, okay, hell yeah, they had backstories.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Where the hell was this in the slatch?

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
That's awesome to know, all right, pe Ned, good bye Bob,
goodbye Jane, this Walt. I think that the Buffy verse
has a lot of fun with the vampire mythos, and
they really make the most of different aspects of like

(01:06:18):
vampire lore, like how much fun they have with you know,
you can't a vampire can't enter if you don't invite
them in. And just small details like the vampires digging
up the Master's bones, but since Giles consecrated the grave,
their hands are smoking and burning as they dig up
the bones, I think, just and then the idea of

(01:06:41):
let's torture this vampire by putting a crucifix in her mouth.
Just tiny details like that I think are so cool
and fun. They are fun it's very Yeah, I love
to see the burning hands. Yeah, hell yeah. And I
think you know what am I saying here? Am I
saying anything? Or do I just fear that we don't

(01:07:01):
have anything to say? We'll find out. We have the
looming threat of the Master returning this whole episode, and
obviously that looming threat is mostly Buffy's PTSD. I do
want to say quickly, I forgot to say this in
the glacts, which is the Master in this episode? In
the slacks, thank you? The Master in this episode is

(01:07:23):
not Mark Metcalf, it is I was just I was
wondering David Briannis it is that's so fun? Which I
looked and I was like, okay, yeah, the head is
a little bit whiter. The head's a little bit wider.
Fun ass fact, his one as the Master was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Za, Oh my god, that's so. I bet he had
so much fun on set that day, what a blast.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
But I bet he had a terrible time in the
makeup trailer. I think it's fun twofold. The Master obviously
is a representation of Buffy's PTSD and everything that she
had to go through. But then also it does really
feel like, you know, the show killed off its main villain,
and it feels like it's teasing like he will continue

(01:08:17):
to be the main villain. Did you know he could
be resurrected. We're gonna pull like a comic book where
we just keep bringing back the same characters over and
over again. Yeah. And then to have Buffy Foley just
smash his skeleton with a hammer is the show slamming
that door closed and going no, no, no, no no, we
saw him die. He is going to stay dead. This
is not a TV show where we're going to be

(01:08:39):
bringing people back to life. If someone is dead, they
are dead.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
They're dead. Oh my god. I also love the moment
where she smashes his bones. It is like really cathartic
to watch this girl go through what she's gone through
and to like symbolically like shut that door in that way,
and then to like fall into Angel's arms crying.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
I loved that. It was so beautiful and so devastating.
And then for the Anointed One to come in, what
does he say at the end?

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
He goes, I hate that girl. He walks in, I
hate that girl. His like black turtleneck, big blowout hair style.
He has had a glam summer he hired once the
Master died. He said, I need some personal stylists. I
gotta step up my game. I gotta get some riz going.

(01:09:32):
He struts in, I hate that girl.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
I hate that girl. I also he doesn't have his
freaking anointed one voice and more it's dressed his it's
just his little kid little They did that one time
and they said, actually, fuck that. That was spooky.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
He said, I gotta take the shit serious. He said, appearance,
more mature, voice, less mature. Actually bring a swap mature.
Now we're doing adult styling little kid voice instead of
little kid styling adult voice. We're gonna switch arough with.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Like racking my brain. Where do people buy children's clothes?

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Baby Gap?

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
He sent his vamps to the baby Gap.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Crazy he went to He went to Baby Barney's. He said,
and get me a baby Barn and get me black turtleneck,
nordstrum rack junior nordstomb racked kids. And then they went
to the salon and he said, I'm looking for volume.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
I have limited to electric boogloo to get my get
me some slacks.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
I have to lead an order. I need hair that
says I'm the HB I c take me seriously.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
They get one of those. He gets a round brush
and in a hair dryer with a nosele on it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Yeah, no, I an aquanette, my image. The sun goes down,
his coffin opens, they still don't see him for an
hour after sunset. Well yeah, and obviously you know he's
a vampire. He doesn't have a mirror, so he has
another vampire just sit across from him, and he has
like a round brush, and he has hair dryer, and

(01:11:21):
he's really trying to get He's got like volumizing spray.
And then he keeps me like does it look right?
Does it look right? Yeah, he's got oh yeah, he's
got loose exactly product product product. He's dressed for the
job he wants.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
They also they burgled as Sally's Beauty to all.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Hell, give us all your hair care. We're taking it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
He said, damn it our round brushes they keep does
a bearing. There's one seven year old on the loose,
really fluffy air.

Speaker 6 (01:11:54):
He's gotta get the JTT. Oh no, not j T,
but Hansen girl, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Not just JTT. Is he he's an actor? No, yes, young.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Sir Jonathan Taylor Thomas was the son in Home Improvement Diva,
and he was young Simba and Hansen.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Waiting, Who the hell is the youngest Hansen brother?

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Fuck damn it, don't get that in the episode.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Look up the youngest Hanson brother.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
No, I fully thought JTT wasn't he He's Improvement Diva.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
The youngest handsome brother is Zach Hanson. Hey, but maybe
you know what, Jonathan Taylor, maybe the Anointed One, really
loved Bop. When did that song come out? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Actually, I'm not saying that JTT was in hands and
I'm just saying I'm saying by proxy, he probably likesp.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Bob released in April nineteen ninety seven, around the time
that The Invented One died. Who's just say it wasn't
playing in the radio the bus this song.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
See, that's the thing is That's where you're not getting me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Yes, yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
I maybe led you astray. But I'm just saying he
fucks heavy with Hanson.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
No, no, no, he he was watching, so he was
at home. This is the Anointed One callin back when
he was calling this is the last night of his life.
He's sitting back and he was horrid and we hated it,
and we hated it. He was watching Home Improvement and
he was like, I think the sun has good hair.
And then his mom was like, Colin TV, time's over.

(01:13:47):
We have to catch the bus. The bus is and
we have to catch the bus. Turned off Home Improvement.
He the last face he sa on his television was
JTT They go on the bus. The bus drivers like, hey,
porkin beans stitch, rass down. How about to calm everyone
The vibes in her rancid about to calm everyone down.
I turn on the radios.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
On the radio bab bab bab so then b b
and then what's that of the he's the bus driver
is as we all do jamming to Hansen, he's getting
He's going.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Somebody When I answer, ships in alive, only want to
do me a last And then he looks at the
road and goes, what's that? Hat crashes in the sign.
Colin dies. The last thing he heard was handsen. So clearly,
when he becomes a vampire, his his core memories with
ingrained in his brain is JTJ and Zach Hansen. He

(01:14:47):
has to get the hurdle. It's really important to him.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Oh my god, that was so fun.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Mary, This Zach Hanson's hair, Am I you, Mary, I mean,
it's gonna volume. But that's but that's what you're not kidding.
That's that's what's not clocking to you. Short hair. And
he was like, I'm playing the long game. I'm gonna volumeize.
We'll do the just Jonathan Tarna Thomas now, and then

(01:15:20):
we're gonna grow into the Zach Hanson. I'm gonna start
moosen it up and we'll work our way there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
And like, yes, vampire's hair, they don't grow. I'm gonna
get some.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
It's true of some bluff fevers though.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
What I heard from someone who will not be named, Okay,
I'm not gonna name them, but they had to do
something intense to their hair very frequently because they weren't
allowed to have any grow out because vampires don't grow hair,
quote unquote for.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Buffy, Yeah, because I'm gonna say right here, right now,
you know what I'm talking about. I am, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
But also I guess his hair just gets shorter in Angel,
but like Angel has very different hairstyles in different time periods.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Well, I think that's just like also, oh hey, but
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
I guess he was like, I want it short.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
I have heard that after say that, and maybe it's
just for continuity's sake, but I think it could be.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
And now I'm thinking of all the recurring vampires and
if their hair ever different, hairstyles is longer at any point? Now,
I'm like, am really gonna have to pay attention to this? Well,
the anointed one's hair did grow, so check inmate, sister.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Whoa damn? I don't know hands and I don't know
JTT and I don't know vampires. You really you chest
my ass today?

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
And that you've been schooled and class is over.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Can we talk about Jenny Calendar going to Burning Man?
That one is a mystery to me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Oh, she's a.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Mystery to me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Fully believe that. I buy that a thousand percent.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
I know she is a mystery.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
And also like she's a wild child. Lest you forget
her clip piercing fell off in the library.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
No, yeah, in the library, Like okay, what the hell
I'm telling you, guys, I can't fucking stop thinking about
if I had a clip piercing and it fell out
at my place of work, I can't stop thinking about it.
I get stop. I said something.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
About it is a podcast. Don't talk enough about how
Jenny Calendar is literally so hot in this show. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Okay, well we're making a grave mistake because she's got now,
she's got she got a new bob, she's got new
baby banks. And I saw the hairstyle and I said,
holy back, holy back, I want the hairstyle so bad.
I think Jenny Calendar is so fucking hot and I
cannot tell you the feelings it makes me feel that
she did that in her audition, like talked down to

(01:18:10):
Anthony's to her head. That makes me feel crazy. She
is so hot, and the idea that there is this
like younger hot computer teacher and she's a wild child
and she goes to Burning Man and she's you know,
she's a clip piercing and like she's like, you know,
this stuffy Oh my god, she's crazy, this enigma and

(01:18:30):
this stuffy ass British fucking librarian who is obsessed with
her whole thing. I I can't, Oh my god, I
can't tell you what that does to me. I love it,
Jenny Calendar, You're so everything to me. Can't I can't. No,
she's so hot. We should have seen her child's hot too,

(01:18:51):
so both of them together are really hot.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Oh yeah, do you have any more thoughts about when
she was loved it?

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
I didn't think so my.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Last I love you, Joy Summers. There's the scene of
the car. Yeah, when uh, Buffy's being moody moody and
Joy says, is there the slightest chance if I asked
you what was wrong? You would tell me? And Buffy
ignores her and she goes. Of course, thought it would
take the fun out of guessing. Love you, Joy Summers.
We see Hank again.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Hi, Hank, and Hank thanks for buying her all those
clothes and shoes. You're a real one. Shout out to
emotionally distant dads who maybe maybe you don't know how
to how to express themselves or ask you the right questions.
What they sure can buy you shoes? And yeah, thanks
for the shoes, Hank.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Hank. Well, that's that's a wrap when me loved it.
Now let's talk about our best and worst parts.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Should we do the kill count first?

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
I'm sorry, heck yeah, we can do kill count first. Okay,
the kills In this episode we have Buffy stakes that
vampire at the beginning who's threatening Zillo, and then no
more deaths happen until we're in the factory. And in
the factory a total of five vampires die, four killed

(01:20:06):
by Buffy when it is killed by Angel. So that
means that for season two we have had six deaths.
For the show as a whole, we've had forty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Mon say, start in the season off strong.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
So a bake. Congratulations to whoever the next death is.
They are number fifty. All right, let's talk about our
worst and best parts.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Worst part, best time.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Lena, what's your worst part?

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
And I won't say that I don't have a worst
part because I know that that's no fun. My worst
part is Angel, you're on my fucking list. To hurt
that girl in the way that you have hurt her,
and then to wake her up from a nightmare, but
to wake her up from her slumber and then tell

(01:20:59):
her you fucking miss her. I'll never fucking forgive you. Granted,
I still like that part, but he's on my fucking list.
That's my worst part. What is your worst part, Girl?

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
I don't know, because when she was bad, she was horrid.
But I love it, so I love it. I don't
think there's anything in this episode that I don't like.
My worst part is that we didn't see Jenny Callender
get kidnapped, Like I don't actually care, like it would
be fun. But I don't feel like it's a flaw
in the episode. I you know, I just think it's

(01:21:39):
a strong episode. I'm sorry everyone, I loved it. What
was your best part?

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
You know what I'm gonna say. You know what I'm
gonna say. And while I'm saying, I'm gonna put my
arms up and I'm gonna dance because my favorite part
is the Buffy sexy dance. It changed me deep, it
changed me crazy, and you know when she was bad,
she was horrib and I loved it. I seriously, I
am the one I am today. I am the person

(01:22:05):
I am today because of that scene and because of
Sarah Michelle Gellar dancing crazy like that. So thank you,
thank you. What's your best part?

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
I was gonna say the same thing, but can I
say something different? I like that scene. I will specifically
hone in on I like Cordelia trying to talk some
sense into Buffy. Cordelia Buffy relationship one of my favorite
relationships in this show.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Oh my god, A lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Dislike, but then also a lot of mutual respect, and
I find that interesting. All right, what's the gayespot?

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Do you have one? Off the top of your head,
I'll keep thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
I am like Buffy. Slow dancing is the gayest part
heard sexy dancing with Xander trying to everyone jealous.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
And that's what I'm thinking, manipulating.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
All their feelings emotional warfare is queer. Manipulating the feelings
of your friends and playing them all like your little
puppets in a game to prey on. H the jealousy
of someone else is a very queer thing to do. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
I also think it's like fun, fun and kind of
exhibition evoyary in a fun queer way, which I I think.
I think all that absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
She wasn't dancing for Xander, and that's one thing I know.
She was dancing for every person in the room. Except
for everyone in the room.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
No, Xander was just there was the for Cordy, it
was for Willow, it was for Angel, it was for the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Band son something to write home about. She said, shun,
look at this and you'll go about this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
One two threes on me. No serious, I think that
it is like sexual warfare in that way, especially in
an exhibitionyway, very gay and I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Hey, well, hey, that's our episode to the next week
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Kayleen Rachel, Alison, Magan, Audrey Macon, Audrey, Alexandra Part of Me,
Kylie Duston as A Jade and Paul, Julia, Vicki Keeley Jasmine,
while Denica Slaine, Diagno, Tost Kay Reagan, Peepoopo, Josette, Joe Lo, Madeline, Elani,

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Elise Blanton, Alice, Paige, Nadia Nicoll, Abby, Kristen Story, Eileen Mallory,
Himantha Rebecca, Leila, Ari Morris, Taylor, Frankie Markret just being
at Emily Phoebe, Aria, Ava Haley, Emily, Jacqueline, Elsie, Laslo, Ray,
m A step Charlie, Kelsey, Thomas Chucco, Brittany Kenzie, Michael, Katie,
Elizabeth Freddie. Thank you so much for sitting with me
in that moment. It really means a lot to me.
Whoa that was that changed the game, and that changed

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the game you killed it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Thank you all for listening. We love you guys so much.
We're so excited to talk about season two. I hope
you guys enjoy have a nice rest of your week. Bye.
Here's like as on your phone head if you want it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, so long. Thank you for listening.
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