BTVS S2E12 Bad Eggs

Balancing your school and personal life is hard enough and now you've got to parent an egg for health class? AND take down the hive mind that is quickly infecting your entire town??

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Zabat boo zibe boo got gurubaa bao. Do you like that?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Loved that? Do you like eggs?

Speaker 3 (00:09):
No?

Speaker 1 (00:10):
I hate eggs. Do you love eggs really?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Period?

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Oh my gosh, just like by themselves? Yeah, good for
you girl.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Do you not like eggs by themselves? Or is this
a joke?

Speaker 1 (00:26):
I hate eggs. I eat scrambled, Oh I eat. I
like eggs like in stuff like I love like a
bacon egg and cheese. But the only way I can
eat an egg by itself is scrambled. And even then
I kind of have to force it down. You know
what is the worst. And if you like this, then

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I respect it. But it will be shocking to me
when you go. I know, because this is what I
had for breakfast this morning, because I was in a hotel.
When you go to like a constantal breakfast in a
hotel and they have the like powdered scrambled egg eggs,
what I'm talking about it is like a specific kind
of scrambled egg that is made that they have at

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like continental breakfast. It's like when you need to have
scrambled eggs and mass and it is like the hydrated
eggs that are in a powder and they rehydrate.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
They How do you feel about them?

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Well? I feel badly about them. I've like repressed them
so much. I don't even remember.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
You said, Who's that? It was like I just under
I did, I just undid years of trauma blocking recovering.
Gleek presents.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
A clear Buffy podcast. Hello everyone, my name is Lena
and I'm Ian, and welcome to a queer Buffy podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Would you like to talk about the episode of Buffy
Season two, episode twelve, Bad Eggs?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Now, Yeah, I think that sounds good.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Is this bit landing? You have picked up on the bit,
and so I feel like maybe it is landing.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Well, I was doing the bit where it took a
little longer to get to me.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
I figured that I did actually sense that. Okay, should
we drop the bit?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, let's drop the fucking bit. Buffy killed her mommy.
We can be normal.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Now, Okay, Thank Goodness's dad? Oh my gosh?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Hi everyone, Hi everyone, thanks being here, Bad Eggs. Everyone
loves this episode?

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Does everyone love this episode?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
No? Really, no, this is a slack of mine.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
People have no fucking taste.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
People can't have fun, people can't literally people are so boring.
When I tell you, I was like giggling and jumping
up and down watching this episode.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Well, of course, of course, sorry. If liking be horror
sci fi is illegal, arrest me. It's so fucking fun.
It is silly.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
It is silly. I honestly so. I this was one
of the episodes not to give away, but this was
one of the episodes that I was like halfway like
when I clicked onto my Hulu account, like I'm halfway through,
so I had to like restart it, and I was like, oh,
I must have not enjoyed this episode. And I honestly
skip this episode every time because it has such a

(03:32):
bad rap and I don't like bugs. I respect bugs
as all God's creatures, of course, but I mean, you know,
I don't love to love to see bugs in my
day to day obviously, but I was like, fuck, I'm
not gonna like it. And I was like, wait, I'm
actually having a lot more fun. And then I look
more into it, and this is one of my slacks.

(03:55):
I'll give you one early. It is the worst rated
episode of season two and the third worst rated episode
of all.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
People are genuinely crazy that.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I think people don't want to have fun.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
I think have fun. I think people are taking it
too seriously, Like for real, I think people are taking
it too seriously. I agree with you. This episode is
just supposed to be dumb fun. It's let's do invasion
of the body Snatchers in the Buffy world, and it's
an episode of the Twilight Zone. It's crazy, it's silly.
It's cookie that segment after mind controlled Cordelia and Willow

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throw Xander and Buffy into the closet and then it's
like a Dutch angle of them walking into the shed
and picking up weapons and there's operatic like in the background.
That was amazing. I love that so much. Christoph Beck
was earning his paycheck this week. He really was not

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messing around with the so many.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Fun shots in this episode too, like many crane shots,
many Dutch. We were having.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Fun, Yes, we were having fun.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
I looked on Reddit. I looked kind of all over
to kind of get the gauge on, because I mean,
I also saw that people don't really like Ted Girl whatever.
But I was like, wow, are we just like super
misunderstanding this show or not just have more fun than people.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Not to be like so annoying, but I do think
it's the opposite. I am like, I feel like, well,
like the quotes about the making of this show was like,
I believe that we can have really strong storytelling and
say these really deep things about life. And also I
believe that we can kind of lampoon be horror and
that those two things can co exist. Like that's what

(05:44):
this episode is a great example of. Yeah, I just
like gl of a super in depth story about the
trials and tribulations of growing up and being a young
girl in the world. Yeah, and then also the silliest
craziest sci fi movie ever. Are both incredible things and

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the fact that they can coexist is so special.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
I you know, I agree. I also I can't I
just laugh and laugh and laugh. And in the subsode, yes,
I laughed to say a lot. I think my number
one laugh. Like, first of all, can I just say

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or you know whatever that scene.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Is, Yes, I wonder if it's what I'm thinking of.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
When Xander sees Cordelia and she's been body snatched, she
bunches in the back of it's so hard it goes.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
That was my vib first.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
First he goes Cordia, Yes, he goes Cordelia, I don't
want to hurt you, and then she hits in the
back of the head that.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Was my bump.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I'll kill you.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
He punches her.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I also love.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Just that lin Read is so funny. Tell me it screaks.
I loved.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
When he and Buffy are sneaking into the Mother Bazaar's
layer and they're climbing over the wall and he goes, oh, careful,
and then immediately after each ship.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I love that so much.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I also love when they get when everyone has their
minds back and a Willow's like, did I really hit you?
I'm so sorry, and Sander's like, yes, you really did
hit me, and then Cly goes did I hit you?
And he goes, yes, everyone hit me, and she goes good.
I don't mean good because I hit you. I just
didn't want to be left out.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I just don't wait. Oh my god relatable. If I
if I was body snatched and I learned that everyone
got to punch Xander but me, I'd be so pissed,
so pissed.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Ah No, this episode rules. People are boring as hell.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Oh. I was so surprised at how much I enjoyed it,
because I mean, there's so much bad stuff, and I
don't know what happened to me why I didn't finish
the episode. Maybe I was just busy, but I really
was having fun.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, I didn't realize the fun police were coming to
Bubby the vampires.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Like you guys, like, please have some fun. Why are
we taking it so seriously? I mean, like, you know,
if you are listening to this podcast and you didn't
enjoy this episode, let us know. Maybe you have some
valid criticism of it.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
I and I do agree with that. I want to
hear if you didn't like it. I would love to
hear why. There are moments when I am in a
fandom of something that I love that I see a
like wildly popular take in the fandom that I it's
like a door Delano and All Stars too, where I'm like,
I'm not supposed to be here. I'm like, that's not

(09:24):
a safe space for me, Like I don't understand. That's
how I feel every time that people are like push
it and Glee is so cringe, I have to skip
that number or run, Joey run, and I'm like, I'm
not supposed to be here. We are watching two different shows,
Like I really don't understand how we don't see an
eye on this and.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
That one bugs me because they're just miss that's straight
and misunderstanding.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah maybe that's not your.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Preference of like what you want to see, Like I
understand that, but like saying it's like cringe or bad,
like yes and.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yes, yes, that's the point. I got it. That's the
jot goodness. I mean, I do agree that that is
more blatant than this. But I also I'm like, if
someone doesn't like this episode because they're just like, I
don't know, I don't like the campingess cool, But if
someone doesn't like this episode because they're like, it's corning
over the top, Yeah it's supposed to be. Yeah, no,
I agree, Like they're they're having fun pretending it's a

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nineteen fifties alien invasion movie. Come on, I know, whatever
happened to fun anyways?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Nobody has fun anymore.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Oh my gosh, this used to be the most exciting city.
Now it's just smoking next to an open window. Do
you remember last week when on our Patreon pre show,
I was talking about how when my sister Aaron visited,
she and I watched nine movies. Yeah, and I could
only list eight of them. I remembered what the nythone was.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
And you know, you remember what I said.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
What did you say?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I said, if you had a letterbox to count, this
wouldn't happen.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yes, I do remember that. Well, the letterbox account is
called my brain and it has finally loaded. And the
ninth movie was Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Oh my god, It's like, how is that?

Speaker 1 (11:09):
And I I was like, I can't remember what it was.
It's fully by the Vampire Slayer.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Oh my god, that's so funny. You've seen it.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Before, yes I have.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Did you enjoy it?

Speaker 1 (11:19):
But it's been a long time. I really did. I really.
I was kind of giggling and squealing. I had a
great time.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
I and that's all.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
I liked it the first time I saw it. I
liked it more this time. Yeah. I had a great time.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Oh yeah, good Now. I wish you had a letterbox
account so I could with your movie antics.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
But I also love like Ben Affleck is.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
In that movie, Ben Affleck, Oh my god, no.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
When they're when they're at the basketball the basketball game
at the end of the movie, and like one of
the players has been turned into a vampire, and then
Buffy has to like leave the cheerleading squad because she's
like that player, like he clearly has been turned. So
there's a shot where the player who's become a vampire
like has the ball and then it goes to a

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member of the other team and he like runs up
and the remember the other team is all scared, and
he's like, you know what, just take it and hands
it to him. And that's Ben Affleck. Wow, remember the
other team. However, he didn't deliver his line the way
the director wanted, so it's not his voice. He's been
dubbed over. Sorry Fleck, but he's in that movie. Hillary
Swank is in that movie. Oscar winner David Arquette is

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in that movie, and honestly, maybe like some of David
Arkett's best work is in that movie.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
It's been quite some time since I've seen it.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
We should.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
I'll watch it.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
It's a fun watch. It's a fun watch. I recommend.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
All right, do you want to hear some slacks?

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, let's talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer the TV show.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Oh yeah, and Stamfo the Slax. Oh yeah, it's time.
Fad X is the twelfth episode of the second season
above the Vampires Slayer and the twenty fourth episode in
the series. This episode was written by our Girl, Marty Knoxen.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
No Wonder at Rocks, Come On, Marty.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Marty Roxon, More Alive, That's Mother Alert, and then directed
by David Greenwald. It originally aired January twelfth, nineteen ninety eight,
on the WB Network. Obviously, I think we've mentioned it
in passing just in the last couple of minutes. This
episode was based loosely on the plot of Invasion of

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the Body Statures, the movie from nineteen fifty six. There's
also a movie with star above the Vampire Slayer of
the movie.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Donald Sethne's in that.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, the ninety seventies one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Oh, I've never seen it.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Oh well I know that.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Hell yeah, Donald Sutherland. It all comes around.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
It all comes around. So it comes to him, don't
They'll let me make he rest in pees. So for
most of the kissing scenes between Buffy and Angel, of
which there are many, yeah, but especially in this episode,
Sarah Michelle Geller and David Bornianis would prank each other
by eating onions, garlic, and cheese to force each other
to kiss each other when they had stinky breath. Okay,

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And honestly, I feel like I have like heard this
from a lot of actors that like, especially like theater
actors that like fuck with each other like this. I've
never seen it in real life. I've only ever heard
hear tell of it. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I guess
they're fucking with each other like this. Have fun, you

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crazy kids?

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Good for that, all right?

Speaker 2 (14:51):
So, Lyle and tect Gorch were named after characters in
the movie The Wild Bunch from nineteen sixty nine, So
they are like brothers in like a wild West movie
that I've never seen. So, and like I said before,
according to I'm to Be and other sources, I guess

(15:13):
that this is the worst rated episode of the season
and the third worst episode in the show. You can, literally,
I bet you can guess Ian what the two worst
episodes rated?

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Are bored?

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Now?

Speaker 1 (15:24):
One of them is certainly beer bad.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Oh my gosh. What is another episode that is widely hated?
Is it like double Meat Palace?

Speaker 2 (15:34):
No? But I mean that one is wild that one
is on the list?

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Can you tell me what season it is? I would say,
like where the Wild Things?

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, that's it, that's it.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Okay, I reserve the right to change my mind when
I watch when.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
We get to it, and one hundred percent, one.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Hundred percent from my first watch of Buffy, that was
maybe my least favorite episode I since they was like,
what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I can't imagine me changing my opinion on that one. However,
I would love to be surprised.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
You know what I remember. I remember I like, I mean,
I only stopped watching for like a month, but I
was watching Buffy like in very rapid succession, and I
got to like that stretch of the show which was rough,
and I got to that episode which was rough and
I had to like take a breather. And whereas I

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watched like season five in two days, I spent like
two entire months on that season because I kept being like,
what is going on right now?

Speaker 2 (16:40):
I do have the feeling though, that I think we're
gonna appreciate how silly.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
I agree. I think we're really gonna eat it up.
I think so maybe I'll watch that episode and be like,
oh my gosh, wait, this is my new favorite. Maybe
maybe makes me want to touch the wall.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Maybe I don't know about that one, but I do
feel like the older I get the more. I just
want to have some fun.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
But like, but my thing with that episode is is
that fun?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
No? I know, but I mean that season in general.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Oh no, that season in general. No, I see, I
hear you.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
I have watched Beer Bad recently.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
I do genuinely think that when we get to beer
about them and they'll be like, actually, this is camp
and it's really fun. I'm very ready to change my
opinion of you're bad, are less?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
So we'll see, but I would love to be surprised.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Anyway, So yeah, third worst episode of like the whole show.
Can you believe?

Speaker 1 (17:38):
That's crazy? One of the things that are is not
like the other and it is.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
And frankly, I think we've seen much worse.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, all right, let me tell you about the international titles. Okay,
so most of these are bad egg Eggs, Japanese creepy eggs,
Polish is but the eggs with which I love, But
the eggs, but the eggs, evil eggs, A lesson Romanian, Hey, Spanish,

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the experiment Okay, Spanish in Spain. The other one was
Latin America Surprise Egg, Swedish rotten egg finish in the
Grip of Evil.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Oh, my gosh, I know, but polish.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
But the eggs. I think that's the best one. But
the eggs with an point. You guys know how I
love a punctuation in a title.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Should we do first season wrap ups? A title hall
of fame? Be like our favorite and not like our
favorite every single episode, but just like a top five,
like Buffy's a bad guy, but the eggs like just
ones that were really special to us. Yes, okay, okay, cool?

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Oh, quick way to get at the top of the list,
I'm telling you, put punctuation in the tile. I agree.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Get an exclamation posy, bonus points, bonus points.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Seriously, so episodes, you better step your pussies up, come one. Okay, well,
and those are you? Well?

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
You're welcome, all right. I got a bad recap for
bad eggs. You ready?

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Previously on both the vampires there, Joyce feels like Buffy
needs to learn some responsibility, as if she isn't already
the slayer, fighting two outlaw brothers turned vampires who just
rolled into town, and now being a single mother to
an egg as a health class assignment. The responsibility gets
even greater when it turns out, oh no, these are

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demon parasite eggs that hatch and take control of your brain.
As friends and family get infected. It's up to Buffy,
who killed her parasite once it hatched, and Xander, who
boiled his egg, and an attempt to get an easy
a to stop the invasion of the body snatchers. They
locate Mother Monster, a huge parasite living under the school
and laying eggs to control the town and take her down,

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also defeeding the outlaw brothers in the process. The minds
of Sunnydale are saved, but Buffy still gets grounded for
sneaking out what the hell and that's what you missed
on by the vampire Slayer bro.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
So true a single mom who works two jobs, who
loves her kids and never steps but general hands in
the heart of a fun and have a sleigh.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
She is so sick.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Her two jobs being a slayer and going to high school. Yeah,
being Joyce's daughter, big Joyce's girl, full time job. Joyce's
on my list recently. She's pissing me off.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
She's pissing me off too. I do love her, I
do love herrs my god, so yeah, like we said,
you guys, if you don't get this episode, you don't
have taste. Just kidding, just kidding, genuinely if you do
love to hear why But yeah, I feel like I

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was just having fun.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
I am not kidding, just watching. I don't know, like
what came over me.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
I don't think you have disliked any episode.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
So far, that's accurate, But I sincerely was like, is
this one of is this like top three so far?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Like okay that I love that, and I.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Don't think it is. I don't think it is, But
I just like this was so specific to what I
find enjoyable, Like this was so made.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
For you for sure. Yes, I literally watch it and
I knew you would love it.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
And they go so all in on the tone of
it all. I really was eating it up and it
is very, very funny. And then like the fact that
the b villains are like two old West brother vampires
who like fight and are like those the things I
get for raising you all these years, Like that's dumbest

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ship I love.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I'm gonna beat you like a reddited step child. What
the hell? It's also like Marty knoxon have you ever
seen a Western or do they talk like that? I
actually don't know. I've never seen a Western.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
I don't know. I feel like they kind of do
they probably you you? I love she who has seen
a Western? Cast the first Stone, Alena Kinancer, You've seen
a Western?

Speaker 2 (22:40):
It just felt so crazy. I was like, there's no
way they could put this in a movie. Not to
say I didn't enjoy it, but I that's that's where
I'm coming from. And I literally, hey, you're right, though you're.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Right, I'm a grotch. Is that their last name? I'm
a grotch? Brother Stan? I was really feeling them.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Is it grotch? I think so?

Speaker 1 (22:57):
And then Tector dies, which is a shame because I
liked him more because he's gay. But then Lyle survives
and it runs away, and I said, and where the
hell did you go? Why didn't you come back? I
want a Lyle return?

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Well, maybe get one? Do we.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Wait? Is okay?

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Spoilers?

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Is Lilah? He is? He?

Speaker 2 (23:25):
He is?

Speaker 1 (23:27):
I never put together that that was him.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
I came into this zoom call as Tector thinking that
you would come in as Lyle, and I was so
sad to hear that you named your zoom persona because
inan and I love to name zoom pictures something every episode.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
I'm sorry, I name myself after mother months.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
I thought we would come in as the twins.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
I actually love exactly what episode that Lyle is in,
and I have a very clear memory what he does
in that episode. And it's also campus hell, I love him.
I just never put together that was him because, like frankly,
it's a while, like it's a surprising amount of time
before we see him again. Yeah, anyways, all let's just

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say Texter Texter textor is gay and he and that's
why he got killed.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Homophobia.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yes, a mother monster said, it doesn't matter. It doesn't
matter if you love him or capital h. I am
just kidding. Actually does matter because I'm taking the gay one.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Oh my god, you know what this is. You're gonna
love this. So I have have a new baby niece, Yes,
and I was the first person ever sing her a song.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yes, And guess what I sang her born this way?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
I said, my mama told me when hell, yeah, I
like blessed her like an evil witch like Maleficent coming
in here. And I said, you're gonna be an ally
at least conservatives hate me co conservatives hate to see
me coming because I will seeing born this way over

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their babies.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Hell, yeah, go for you, all right, bad eggs Invasion
of the Buffy of the Buffy Snatchers. Honestly that I misspoke,
but that's I'm keeping it. That was good. I really
liked this episode. Obviously you liked this episode beyond being
a silly, cooky sci fi romp. This episode, I feel

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like has two themes, although one of them is a
little less clear. Yea, And those two themes are like
the weight of responsibility and the other theme is like
teen sexuality.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, I don't have sex because you will get pregnant
and die.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yes, oh absolutely. There was a lot of there's a
lot of like teenagers in heat, like a lot of
Cordonsander making out, a lot a lot of Angel and
Buffy making out, and then you know the whole health
class like if you don't have sex, if you have sex,
you will get pregnant and die. Where everybody take an
egg that I was when I was when the episode

(26:16):
started out, I was like, oh, this is going to
be like the teen sexuality episode. But then once the
body snatching happens, they drop that and like the final
scen when she kisses Angel again. I think maybe we
are just like planting seeds. Isn't a spoiler by say that, No,
I don't think so. I think maybe we're just like

(26:36):
planting seeds for future things. Whereas, like the in the
episode theme specifically is responsibility. Watching this episode, yes, it
has a bit of a message of responsibility, just like,
oh my gosh, Buffy is spending so many plates and
she has to do all this stuff, and like Joyce

(26:57):
thinks she's irresponsible, like doesn't understand what she's going on,
all she has going on. But then also we're getting
more into a view of like Buffy's view of the
rest of her life, which is that she has no
view of the rest of her life that she one,
Like it's kind of hard for her to have a
view of the rest of her life because it's like

(27:17):
I have to spend all my free time fighting demons,
Like how much of a life can I really have?
And like, sure, in theory maybe I would want kids,
but actually, like could I possibly ever have kids? And
then more than that, we are learning really the only
plan that Buffy has for her life is like I
want to be with Angel forever. Like I have my

(27:39):
vampire boyfriend and I'm deeply in love with him, and like,
essentially this relationship is the future to me. This is
my biall end all. Yeah, and if this is strong,
then like whatever to the rest of it. And so
I feel like it's both doing the whole like high
school as a horror movie. Oh my gosh, the weight
of like being teenager and having to juggle a million

(28:01):
things and how hard that is and your parents thinking
you're such a slacker, but like really you're trying your best.
But then it also is showing us more. It is
also flushing out Buffy as a character, flushing out the
Angel relationship and specifically like what that relationship means to
her and how she views it. Yeah. Absolutely, war's up

(28:22):
to this point it's been like obviously like they're really
into each other, but it's also been so like hot
and cold and yes and no, and we fight, we
break up, we kiss, we make up. But now we
have definitely from the horse's mouth like no, this is
actually my endgame. This is what I want out of life,
is this thing?

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah. It also to me is really sad because like
Buffy doesn't want to be a vampire so it just
says to me, like she sees herself dying doing this,
you know.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah. I also so I was like, girl, you're sixteen,
and you could do so much better. Like I do
think that this. I do think this is a very
common experience that someone gets their first romantic partner at
a young age and you have all these strong feelings
and they have all these strong feelings, and you are like,

(29:21):
oh my gosh, this is it, Like this is going
to be forever. Like I don't think this is a
very rare experience.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
No, not at all.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
But also like I think that I was.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Like feeling that way about like people had never spoken
to that. I was like, wow, probably gonna give me arried.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I just think Angel is such a deadbeat. But I'm like, oh,
I know, like I don't care, Like I don't care
if you want to have kids or don't want to
have kids. I don't care what kind of job you
want in the future, but like, please do not play
the rest of your life around this man. He sucks.
He is such a wet blanket. He's so MOPy. Is

(30:00):
just gonna dule your sparkle.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Oh and he already is Mama, Yes, in the way
that he's like, well, you know, I can't I get Angel.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
I mean, I hate Angel, and let that be stutin.
In fact, I did understand where he was coming up
from the.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Court recognized yeah, let the court Angel.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Let I and I say before you your honor, that
I hate him, but I did understand where he was
coming from there. He is, of course, always very dramatic
and always like what was me? However, your girlfriend is like,
you know, and like, I can definitely see myself having kids,
just like not right now, and you know in your brain,

(30:42):
I actually like cannot it's physically impossible for me to reproduce,
and that is the first thing you think of, and
you're like, okay, well, I do need to bring this
up at some point, just so we are on the
same page. So I don't necessarily blame him for bringing
it up, but I do hate his ass.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, it's just freaking nasty of me. It's just freaking
nasty to me to hear like a hundred year old
man till the sixteen year old like, sorry, I can't
knock you up, baby doll.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Like and he says it's actually nothing to do with
like vampire demon stuff. It's because my semen is so.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Old it's shit.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
I did though, credit where credit is due. Bengel was,
you know, and like extraordinarily a horny couple in this episode,
But I was like, you do seem like a couple. Yeah,
you're like sneaking out and you're kissing and you're hanging
out and having a good time. And then like he's
coming to her window with her consent and being like

(31:41):
are you sure, Like I don't want to get you
in trouble. I was like, okay, fine, have your little
high school romance, even though one of you is two hundred.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
And forty and that's what it is. It definitely is giving,
like ah, sixteen year olds in love like, uh yeah,
let me say though, yeah, and you guys can hate
me for it. I was like, incordions or more, I
hate me, hate me if loving them is wrong, arrest.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Me, girl. You will not hear complaints from me.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
The thing is, though, like I've been like, you know,
so up in Buffy TikTok, obviously trying to find our people,
and I don't know that people feel the same as
we do.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
And they also hate that egg, so I don't care.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, I don't know. I just like, obviously, like Sandra
is not my favorite guy, but he's being like, I
don't know, why would I Why would I? Like, I'm
having fun right now? Why would I deny that?

Speaker 1 (32:49):
I mean you already know my stance on all this. Yes, yeah,
I think people miss the good because they want to
focus on the bad. And I'm not saying the bad
isn't there, yeah, but I am saying there's also fun
to be had.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
And also, frankly, welcome to our spoiler free podcast, Get
with it. I have to take these episodes for what
they are right now. Yeah, spoiler free.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
No.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
I like Cordy and Xander, and I thought they were
a lot of fun in this episode.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I do too. Obviously I hate to see a man
punch a woman.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Ever, but I mean, like she hit his pomp.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Okay. Also, I don't know if you noticed, but when
you were talking, I kind of giggled a little, but
because I remembered that moment, not because of anything you
were doing, but because of my brain, I went that
was my bomb. So I couldn't have a laugh anyway.
But I love them like making out in all the
hallway and all them closet six on me and like,

(34:02):
you know, not liking each other even a little bit,
but hate is closer to love than and I love that.
I don't know, I just think these are too. These
two are so fun and also I don't know, I
feel like they just like also let each other be
exactly who they are. I don't know, I like them. Sorry, guys,

(34:26):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
And I also ajest for Clarity's sake. Xander does hit
Cordelia in this episode. Yeah, at the time that he
hits her, she is controlled by a monster, has a
weapon and is trying to kill.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Him and Buffy. Buffy punches every single student in the
faces the episode, like these are civilians and she's the slayer, Like.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
There are extenuating circumstances like mind controlled trying to murder him.
It is largely in self defense.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Touch it's him in the bumb and she punches his.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Bomb you and my bomb.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I'm gonna kill you.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
I'm sorry. That really tickled me, that line reading, and
even still that line reading is so good mmm because
it is so like, like you know, when I don't know,
like when you're like already down, somebody gets you, like

(35:30):
right in the spot you don't want to be a
guy like right in your bump, he's just like he
loses it. I don't know. Sorry, let me laugh, let
me have fun.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
I also this episode is similar to me in the
way how to Halloween part of me and how Halloween
is like, oh my gosh, the world's gonna end and
it's all in the hands of Willow Rosenberg. That like,
obviously it's in the hands largely a buffy and thank goodness,
but the fact that like, the only person who can
help you to be Sander Sandy Harris. And the reason

(36:05):
that Xander Harris is the only one who's unaffected is
because he was trying to cheat his homework and accidentally
killed the alien who was living inside of his egg.
Like that is so funny to me. Yeah, And then
seeing these two team up where it is like the
most capable woman on the planet and a bumbling buffoon
trying to save the world together. I think it's really funny.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
And hitting the deck immediately, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
No, I really enjoyed it. I think it's very funny.
I agree, And oh my god, seeing everyone else get
bring mind controlled is really exciting to me. Oh my gosh,
just like seeing a montage of Cordelia, Willow, Joyce, and
Giles all walking with blank faces, pickaxes. I really was

(36:53):
eating that up. I really really loved it.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
There's even a moment where Giles like Xander like a
cinder block almost, and like Xander has to like go
along with it, and he just like chucks it. I
don't know, Like this whole thing was very funny to me. Also,
like what the hell was going on? I was so confused,
Like was she just in the concrete and they had
to get her out?

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Like, yeah, I got the vibe that like mother Monster
lives under the school, Yeah, and they are trying to
free her, like they're trying to remove the concrete so
that she can come out and then like be among
the world and take over Quicker. Okay, in the way

(37:38):
that the that the library is directly above the hellmouth,
you know, yeah, yeah, I think it's like Sunnydale High
is built on the Hellmouth. It's exactly. And so like
she was slowly coming out of the hellmouth and like
smacked her head against the concrete, and so it was like, Okay,
I gotta get some gotta get some children in here
to dig me out.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, I gotta get children here, dig me out. And
this guy the teacher.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yes, so he's in on it from the beginning. In
the beginning he is the first time we see him,
he's already mind controlled.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Was my read the og little monster.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Exactly Patient zero, Lady Gaga fan is the health teachers?
I need to hie og little monster.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Was at was at the restaurant. Was a student at
NYU with her listening to her saying wicked on her
lunch breaks.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yes, and he said, Stephanie Germanada, you will you will.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
All waits be famous. He said, seventy Germananda, I'm gonna
follow you wherever you go, Mama, I.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Will for you from the concrete.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Oh my god, that's so funny. Did you ever have
like a home class like this where you had to
like watch a baby or something.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
I was gonna ask this too, because no, And I
feel like this is a very common trope. I feel
like when we were talking about like climbing the rope,
that it's something that I have seen in every TV
show ever. Is you have a help assignment that is
take care of an egg or take care of like
a baby doll? Yeah, that I never did. And as
far as I know, no one at my school ever

(39:18):
did what about you.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
We had I think, like my year, we had a
bunch of baby dolls donated, so they were like the
computer dolls, so I like, and we only had like
three of them, so everyone would take one home like
every weekend for like a couple of months, and you
would just have to like care for it. And it

(39:41):
seriously drove me so crazy. It like kept me up
all night and also gave me so much anxiety. It
cried so much. I brought it to family pictures. So
like in all my family pictures you can see I've
got like this little wrist band on me that has
like its censor on it. And I remember my fuck
ass uncle he like kept threatening to So the way

(40:03):
it's graded is like, you know, it just has like
an algorithm that like it's crying and you have to
get the right thing. So you have to change its stiper,
and if that's not right, you have to feed it,
and if that's not right, you have to like soothe
it or something like it just you know, you have
to keep trying things until like you get the right
thing and soothe it. But a big way to like

(40:26):
fail this is to mishandle it, which is to like
drop its head. This is supposed to be a newborn,
so you have to like support its neck. You have
to you know, handle it well. And my uncle kept
threatening to He kept like grabbing the baby carrier and
like going to shake it. And I was such a
goodie two shoes. I was like, fuck, no, you won't,

(40:47):
like that's my baby, like A, I want a good grade.
B I really took this thing fucking seriously.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yah, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Anyway, all this to say, I got one hundred percent
and a candy bar. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
What was what was the baby's name?

Speaker 2 (41:02):
I can't remember. I can't remember, but remember it was
a girl.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Okay, I can't, Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
I remember I had to give it a name for
the assignment, and I had to do some sort of
like logging thing like Buffy does in this episode.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
That makes sense to me, the whole like baby doll
with an algorithm makes sense to me. An egg and
Buffy talking about like I fed it, I changed it.
I was like, now what the fuck are we talking
about here? And like you can lie exactly. I'm like
I would go home. First of all, there's no markings
on the egg. You could just buy a new egg

(41:40):
when the assignment is due and bring the new egg
in and then also you could just leave it at
home in an egg carton for the entire assignment. I
was very confused as to how this is really teaching
any responsibility because it's incredibly easy to not break an egg.
You can just set it down.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
That was the thing with the baby is I there
were people in my class who would just like ignore
the baby all weekend and they would fail that assignment.
And I think the baby would like turn off after
like a certain point, like if you didn't like wake
up to like sue it or whatever. But like that
gives me such anxiety. I like could not understand why
people would do that. I know it was just a doll,
but it really like freaked me out. Yeah. But like

(42:22):
even with like I knew people who did like flower,
like a like a bag of flower, like a one
pound bag of flower. I just put that down, go away.
You don't have to carry it around. Yeah, And maybe
if like you were doing it during the school week
and like your teacher was going to like check in
with you every day to make sure you had it.

(42:45):
I don't know, I really don't know how that works.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah, I never did any of these, so I really
it's always been a little confusing to me. I also
was confused in this episode. They all are supposed to
get partners, except for Buffy because she's absence, so she
has to be a single mom who works two jobs,
loves our kids and never stops. Yeah, however, who are
Xander and Willi's partners? Were never really told? Are we
led to believe that Xander is paired with that girl

(43:08):
that he's like that's little Xander Junior? And also whoember
their partners are? We're never told they're not helping. And
if there's only one egg per two kids, that seems
like anti takeover. It's gonna take away longer. I know,
because now their partners aren't mind controlled. I know it

(43:30):
would have been much quicker to get every student an egg.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
A convenient that all of the Scoobies are the partner
or like the primary parent yea of this egg.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
It was I was like, why even mention that they
have partners? If I never gonna come on just say
everyone is a single parent and they have to take
care of an egg.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
They probably just wanted a moment where Buffy was sad
to be a single mom, and she has a single mom.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Do you think it was supposed to be her like related? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I think I think so.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, I think so too.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Let's talk about Lyele and Tector, shall we?

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I would love to?

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Okay, good, tag yourself.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Who you think you Tector? So I guess I just
thought you would say, Lyle.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
I was just.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I don't know that you are.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
I'm your famous famously Tector, my god, honestly, not my
favorite part of this episode. But honestly, I really enjoy this.
I really enjoy them. I thought they were really funny,
and it's so funny. I see any two cowboys and
I immediately think it's broke Back Mountain. So they kept

(44:48):
saying they were brothers, and I was like, they're just
saying that. They're just saying that all we got here
is brought by mountain.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
These two are so pointless, pointless, say ad nothing, and
yet I love them, Like there's really no reason for
there to be a like be to your villain in
this episode, it's pointless, and Tector is defeated so quickly.

(45:25):
In fact, Buffy doesn't even defeat Tector. Mother Monster does,
like she just grapples it, she chokes around, she eats him,
and then Lyle gets scared and runs away. Like Buffy
doesn't even defeat them. They are so incredibly pointless. However,
I mean, we need there to be a vampire at

(45:46):
the beginning, so that Buffy is fighting someone and then
doesn't pick up Joyce's dress and then Joyce gets mad
at her to like set up the whole You don't
know how to respon handle responsibility arc, so there has
to be like some sort of expendable vampire and the
decision to take that expendable vampire and go, Now, what
if he was like an Old West outlaw and he

(46:10):
also had a little whiny brother. Is why Marty Nogsen
is an icon.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, she said, that's my mother monster.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
No small parts. Every character is gonna have a thing,
and these expendable vampires are Old West outlaws. And I
love it. I think it's incredibly silly. I think it's
incredibly ridiculous, and I really eat it up. I'm a
big fan, I know.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, I really was having a lot of fun, and
I just think like too personally, like Ted is very
very very heavy, and so to have something that it
was so silly in this whole episode, but especially Lylent Tector,
like they're nothing like they like a Buffy doesn't give

(46:57):
a fuck about them. They also like tag teams start
fighting teens together like Buffy and Texture and Lyle and
like they have like witty banter. The entire time I
was having fun. I was having I was having a
lot of fun, and I was having a lot of fun.
Good levity when it comes to like ted into this episode,

(47:18):
and this episode.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Is extremely monster of the week in the sense that
there's a monster that's only here for this week. However,
I do think that this episode is planting a lot
of seeds, and Tector and Lyle are two more vampires
that are going that's a jealous like they are planting

(47:40):
more seeds. As to how famous of a vampire that
Angel is, ye, that beyond like his own sire, these
two randos recognize him like he really got around and
he is really I don't want to say infamous when
I just said famous, but that's the word that came
to my mount mind. He's a really infamous. Yeah, I

(48:02):
just think, yeah, there's I think there's As I mentioned,
I think a lot of thought is being put into
the show right now. I think the writers have very
clear plans of what they want the show to be
moving forward, and they are working really hard in these

(48:22):
episodes that seemingly lift right out to plant seeds, to
build out this world, to make these characters richer, so
that the plot is more compelling and feels more cohesive
and is more exciting going forward.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
You are so right. I also, I have so many
thoughts that are full of spoilers, but I feel as
though that there are like among that there are just
like so many shots in this that allude to larger
things happening later. I think that that is one percent true,
and it's wonderful to see like the story being yeah

(49:00):
out before us.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
I do think like right now we are in the
thick of why Buffy is viewed as one of the
most well written shows in history. Like watching it for
a second time and knowing how the rest of the
show plays out and being like, oh, they really are
like setting wheels in motion in ways that you do

(49:23):
not see at all. It's so exciting. So much thought
was put into the show, so much love was put
into the show, and I just keep like looking at
the episodes that we've already talked about, and like looking
at the episodes we have coming up over the next
few weeks and being like, what a time to be
alive and the vampire Slayer. My gosh, it's all happening.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
I know, I know, honestly, like the back half of
season two. To me, it's crazy girl buckle the fuck
up girls, strap in, we're in the right of our lives.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Oh my god, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
No.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
And I loved this episode, And like you said, I
think it is a good palate cleanser after Ted. Yeah,
you know, the first half of the season ended with
the what's my lines? Is that correct? Yeah? Ended with
the what's my lines? Which are like fun episodes but
also are you know, a little heavy and have a
lot of plot going on and have a lot of

(50:26):
revelations happening. And then last week was just like a hard,
sad watch. And so I think it's great to take
this week to be like, let's just like have fun, Like,
let's do a plot that isn't really get a matter
into larger scheme of things.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Reference like a classic B horror movie what we set
out to do originally, Yeah, go back to something really classic.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Yeah, and like, we have all these plates in the air,
and we have all these grand plans, but let's keep
them in the air just for a little while longer
and just like have a rip roarin stupid good time
for forty five minutes. Yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Buffy and Angel are making out in the in the
cemetery and they're looking for the Gotch Twins or whatever
the hell they're called, and they're like, oh, can't find him.
And then it pans to Lyle and Tector like in
a tree watching them.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Okay, so I g they're not their brothers.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Their brothers. I love Broke Back Mountain. It's one of
the best movies I've ever seen. But is it Tector
who says, girl, I have been saving this. No, okay, sorry, sorry, sorry,
you go, you can say it.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
No, I've been saving it because it's my gayest part. Okay, good,
This is why I said that Tector's gay.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Continue, Okay, And that's what I'm thinking, That's what I'm
just putting the pieces together. But he says, like why
is he kissing? Like why is he swapping spit with
the slayer? And why is he making me blush right now? Yes?

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, gay boy?

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah, gay boiler.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Gay boilert tectic Gorch tector gorch love that and that's
my mother monster dragmon Nell.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
She says, I can't go to Helle without a gay
boy with me. It's not right.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yeah, exactly should we.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Talk about Joyce? This episode opens with the shot at
the mall, which I love to see, like nineties things
at the mall or like eighties things at the mall,
because the mall it will never be what it is.
I agree, it will never be the same, and so
I love to see that. Like Joyce has to run
errands at the mall, like they're not just shopping, They're

(52:43):
not just like YadA YadA YadA. She has to go
like this. She has to pick up her like dry cleaning,
she has to pick up her tailoring, she has to
like go to the print shop. And that's all in
the mall. I kind of missed the mall. I never
thought I would say this.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
You never thought you would say that.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah, honestly, I had a tough time at the mall.
I had a lot of anxiety as a child. Oh
you wouldn't guess it.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Now I've been saying I missed the mall. I love
them all and it makes me sad when I go
now and I'm like, what the hell are any of
these stores? Know?

Speaker 2 (53:14):
What the hell are any of these stores? Also like
shout out to the Spirit Halloween, but like, I feel
like my mall is like mostly just half Spirit Halloween
slash like Christmas gift store, which I'm like, what is this?

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:28):
I think Bob a drop shipping stupidness.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
No goes the moll anymore. But I think that opening
mall scene, I think it's like quintessential Buffy. It's like, oh,
Buffy asked Joyce asked Buffy to do something, and while
attempting to get that thing done, Buffy's a vampire gets sidetrack,
kills the vampire goes back. Joyce is like, oh my gosh,
you didn't get it done. You're so irresponsible. Yeah, cut

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to credits, Like that is yes, literally, that is the
statement of his TV show. I also want to shout
miss a girl who Lyle tries to kill I know
one diva one the way that this guy in her mind,
She's like, oh, this guy's are really coming on to
me and like really wants to make out. I know

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what I'll do. I'm gonna show him how good I
am a pinball.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Like obsessed honestly, classic sixteen year old thing to do.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Got to say, did you think she was sixteen? Other
thought she was like twenty seven?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Twenty seven? I mean, I wasn't. I assume everyone in
the Sebee Show is a teenager.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
I was getting the lie that she was a legal
adult of some y O.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
H if she's twenty seven, stand up, just make out
with that guy.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Well. And then also Buffy like sees them on the
escalator and is following them. So in my mind, when
Buffy walks into the bandon arcade, they've only been there
for like two minutes two seconds because Buffy has been
following them. And Buffy walks in and she's playing pinball,
and she goes, one second, I've almost hit my high score.
She's been playing that game maybe ninety seconds. Mary, you

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are bad. That's your high scores. You've been playing for
ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
And then girl, she'll never beat her high score.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Now I love this girl. I love this actor. Martie Knoxen,
and this actor said no small parts. Buffy interrupts when
they're about to start necking, and then the girl has
a line to Buffy and she says it in the
most Valvey girl accent. I was obsessed to. He goes,
do you mind we're talking here? And I really just

(55:32):
tick look by that we're talking here. Shout out to her,
Shout out to her.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
There's also that, I mean this establishing shot immediately of
this diva plus Lyle, and then it's like an amazing
crane shot of their feet panning up to them being
cunty and beautiful, and then panning to Buffy and Joyce,

(56:01):
Joyce snagging Buffy like it is a one that's one shot.
It's gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
It is very very good.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Who did that, David Greenwald? Mm hmm, you tricky dog?
It was good.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Now, Joyce. In this episode, I have a hard time
with Joyce because she's on my list, because I'm like,
your daughter's the most amazing girl in the world and
you just don't see it. But then I also keep
trying to be like if I was Joyce, and like
I don't know any of this stuff, and I don't
know it specifically because it's intentionally been hidden from me.

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So like if I was Joyce, it is like I
asked you to pick up my dress. It's the only
thing I asked you to do today and you didn't
do it. And then it's like I come into your
room at three in the morning because something's going on,
and you're fully dressed standing by your window. So I
have a really hard time holding both those things where
I'm like so angry at her and then being like

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she's doing her best with the information she is being given.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I know you have you have really hit the nail
on the head of like literally everything I feel about Joyce,
because of course, and you've even said this to me,
and the best we have all the information, we know
that this girl is like pulled so thin, Like she
is working so hard. She's incredibly responsible, you know, and

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like has to be like she is, you know, the
busiest sixteen year old in the world, and Joyce can't know,
so she has like you know, and if you're right,
like if my mom came in and saw me at
three am and I have my fucking shoes on, my

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ass would be grass I would be confined to my
room as well. Like I don't think this is like
entirely unreasonable reactions. Of course, I do think that Joyce
is very quick to say really harsh things, like I
don't think like her reactions, especially like in terms of
like punishment is like super off base, but her saying

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like I can't trust you, and I don't know she
said thing something a couple of weeks ago that also
like hurt my soul. But even saying like you are
so irresponsible, it's like not confidence building to a young person,
and so that like makes me sad and I wish
that she like had I don't know, something nicer to

(58:32):
say to her, but also like I don't think that
these reactions are completely unreasonable.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
She's also like a single mom to a girl who
kicked out school and it's like class and is sneaking out,
And yeah, my big thing is I'm like, Giles, can't
you like come up with a lie to explain the
Like come on, can't you like can't the watcher's counsel.

(59:01):
I understand that, like we're not telling Joyce because she's
safer if she doesn't know, but like, can't we come
up with a cover story to give this girl from
Leeway Fucking Tony Stark pretended there was an internship so
that Peter Parker could go work with him. Literally, can't
you come up with an internship if.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Hallo has to be a division in the Watcher's Council,
that's like this is damage control, Like come on, especially Giles,
like and even and then this is always makes me
mad about Giles, Like he doesn't even help her out
with school, Like she's like missing a lot of class,
She's like doing really poorly in class, and he can't

(59:41):
like help her study. He's not like talking to her
teachers and letting them know that, like or even the
counselor like he is like pretty off, like hands off
with that situation. And not to mention, I just have
to say, I don't personally understand why it's safe for
Willow and Xander to know and not for Joyce.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
I think it's more that Willow and Xander found out
on accident, and so it's like, well, they already know,
so we might as well like recruit that, okay, because
she she didn't either.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Like let's like the cats out of the bag, let's
let her out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I understand. There's also especially as you're when you're a child,
there is the mindset of like my friends are a
safe space and my friends will get what I'm going through,
but like my parents could never possibly understand. Like I
feel like kids tend to be much more forthcoming with
their friends than they are with their parents.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Hey, and let's use this as a metaphor for queerness.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Oh yeah, oh absolutely, Like my friends knew.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Way before, years years years, years before I ever out
of a word to my parents. My god, damn. Yeah,
and I talk to myself out of that one, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
And that metaphor is not unintentional. Being a Slayer is
a metaphor for a lot of things throughout the show,
but like it is explicitly a metaphor for queerness at times,
like a big, huge part of my identity that people
won't understand and I have to keep hidden or else,

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like my life is going to get much more complicated
and dangerous. Yeah yeah, but I do think they could
come up with an internship.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Okay, at least in at least especially, or like a
job like if she is the library aid.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
But then they have to pair.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
You school credit. They could give her school credit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
They need to pay her, but Snyder wouldn't allow that.
That's my thing is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Like I Snyder, you're always ruining my good time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
I know two things. I know the Watcher's council has
no interest in paying the Slayer because they're little turns.
And I know that Snyder has no interest in helping
Buffy at all, So it needs to be like a
weird third party where it doesn't have to get approved
by the school. But it's also weird. I like that
we are discussing this like we are going to crack

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it and offer Buffy solution thirty years after the fact.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
I wish we could I wish we could see. And
this is I'm gonna get pissed about the Watcher's Counsel again.
I'm gonna get pissed again. Giles. This is his job.
This is his job, and obviously he like has another job,
like he works at the school. So how much has
he paid for being the Watcher We don't know, obviously,

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but God knows there is a council out there that
is generational, that can fucking fly people around that these
people have. This is their full time job and they
can't pay the Slayer. If the Watcher's Council has zero haters,
I am dead.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Yeah. Well, I think I think a lot of watchers are.
They just don't care. I think watchers like Giles, who
clearly does care. It is the mindset of like, well,
this is how it's always been, so why should it
be a problem now, which I think is very true
in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
And it is why a lot of bad structures get
kept in place because it's like, well, it's always been
like this, so like obviously, if it was so bad,
it would have changed by now. So I'm not gonna care.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
I care about her, but like I still benefit from
this situation. So it's always worked, why would it stop working?

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Yeah, And I think he has the mindset of like,
being the Slayer is so important, so like naturally, yeah,
everything else is secondary, Like this is the most internship yep.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Yeah, like you're being paid and experience Buffy. It's important.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Actually, let me see mad. Yeah, so everyone's against Buffy.
Joyce then grounds her in this episode, and then after
the episode is over, after Buffy is saved the entire day, says,
not only you're grounded, you actually can't leave your room
at all.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Were you ever grounded this much?

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
I was never grounded, like really period. Oh it was
a major gretty two shoes as a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Yeah, no, I hear that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Were you I was?

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Well, yeah I was as well. And I'm still goody
two shoes. And I definitely was not a bad kid,
but I struggled a lot in school and that was
the main thing. Like, you know, if I like wasn't
doing what I was supposed to be doing in school,
I A wasn't allowed to watch Glee, oh yeah, and
B like wasn't allowed to go hang with my friends.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I we had TV restrictions. I think for me and
my siblings. Our parents were so worried about us not
spending time with other kids that it would never be
a punishment that we weren't allowed to. Really, they were
always like, oh, you're gonna go spend time with friends,
Thank goodness, as we were like such solitary, like would

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not leave the house children.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
I hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Yeah, So that wasn't a punishment. It was like, oh no,
I have to stay in alone all night.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Oh what, I hear you?

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Yeah, yeah yeah. Here's some random thoughts I have about
this episode Cordelia Chase Icondiva when she walks into the
library and she's like, something huge is happening. The health
teacher is missing, presumed dead, and then just go's presumed
by whom well me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Also and like using that as a maybe we can
go look for him, maybe in some closets.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
So we talked about the Scoobying of it all two
weeks ago, about the Scooby Gang, and the more that
I think about it, the more I'm like, there are
a lot of very intentional parallels between the Scoobies and
like the Mystery inc Game Gang part of me and Zander.
After he catches on that Cordelia wants to go make

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out in a closet, he says to everyone, you guys,
look for more clues. We'll meet back here, which is
an extremely Fred Jones thing to say. And there's always
that running joke in the Scooby Doo fandom of Fred
being like, hey, Daphne, you want to look for clues
in that one hallway and that they're going and cooking
up Alllevelma and Shaggy actually look for Ceoze. And I

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feel like this is very intentional Fred and Daphne parallel
of them being like, the two of us will split
up and go this way and look, and then the
rest of you go that way and look, and we'll
meet back here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Does this mean the Buffy is Shaggy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
I don't think that they are actually staying like definitively
Xander is the fred but I think they are the
fact that he says word for word, you guys, look
for more clues, will meet back here, okay. I think
is a very intentional parallel and joke about Scooby.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Doo okay, sick oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
And the Frednie of it all. What the hell is
that name?

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Daffed, daffed, that's awesome, daffed and probably Frednie Frednie.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Yeah. I also love when they're in the health class
and they're talking about like sex and stuff, and Xander
and Cordelia very clearly are like talking about each other,
and literally every single person in class is riveted by
this conversation. It is like a tennis match, and every

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single person is like, huh huh. It is hilarious. I'm
really giggling.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Also, when the teacher asks what are some dangers from sex,
and Cordelia says in the car or outside of the car,
because I have a friend not me, who has parked
in a Miada at the top of a hill and
her foot hit the gearshift.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
I have a friend, not me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Another Cordelia moment that I loved in this episode is
when Buffy after Buffy's egg has hatched and she sees
the little she sees the little monster inside of it,
and she goes to Cordelia school and she goes, is
your egg acting weird? And Cordelia goes, it isn't acting anything.
It's an egg, Buffy, it doesn't emote.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
I also love her talking about her bare backpack. Yes,
she's like, listen, I basically invented this fucking trend. Just
because you might see people have it does not mean
that I'm not cool.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Now, my final Cordelia thought is this correct? I think
I'm talk about everything else. My final Cordelia thought is
a negative one. We talked about two weeks ago that
the show is very white and that there's a lot
of microaggressions against Kendra.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Oh my god, seriously, I'm glad you're bringing this up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
And then Cordelia, after that scene with the bare backpack,
how she gets out of that conversation and she goes, Shenise,
is that your real hair? And goes to a black
girl at the school as we're talking about her hair.
It's just stuff like that that happens. Yeah, you know,
that makes it so clear how incredibly white the writer's

(01:09:29):
room was on this show that no one saw problem
with that. I think likely they thought it was like
a fun joke that they were putting in the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
I love this show, but it has a lot of
yeah microaggressions that bubble up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Yeah, and like also like two Marty Knoxon episodes too. Yeah,
that last one was Kendra was a Marty knoxson and
this one is, well, Marty not very mother of you.
Two add these things into your script.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
I agree. I other thought about this episode Jonathan Levinson,
You know, he really is on a hot streak right now.
This is what like his fifth maybe fourth appearance for sure,
fourth for sure, fourth maybe fifth appearance in the show

(01:10:27):
Love to see You, Jonathan gall were building out the
world and saying more of these we crank characters.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
I love his moment too. I think I really laughed
so hard like him screaming and being like I slept
this egg body.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Such a plot I think is fun. I think the
fact that it goes so far that Giles and joy
skip body snatched, and the fact that Giles is the
one who does it to Joyce like that is so exciting.
I know, I really love that the fact that there's
like a whole alien species under the ground of the
school is so insane and ridiculous. I think that is

(01:11:03):
so fun. I love this episode. Also, maybe the first
time that we've had a Buffy Zander plot, like specifically
these who are paired together that no hint of him
being like, oh but why don't you like me back?
Like they are just total crime fighting friends in this episode.

(01:11:23):
Thank goodness about time. I know, god, I really really
enjoyed this episode. All right, do you have any final
thoughts on Bad Eggs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
I don't think so. I don't think. I think if
you don't like this episode, let us know. But also,
what the hell you guys like, let's have some fucking fun?

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Yes, part time? Okay, what was your worst part of
Bid Eggs?

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
I hated in cell ass Angel being like, you know,
I can of kids, and of course this is a
larger conversation. I'm not saying that. I don't. Maybe I am,
but even still it just made me feel gross. I
haven't say that to her, it's to of that. What's

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your worst part?

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Okay? Genuinely I love this episode. Yeah, I think it's
all pretty fun. I'm gonna say, Denise is that your
real hair? Like that is very good?

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Yeah, yeah, and there's no point.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Yeah, it's the Cardinals show. How incredibly white the show is,
and through process of it being incredibly white, the way
that it will treat characters of color even when they
are a character that has zero lines. Yeah, what is
your best part of the eggs its?

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Andrew was really making me laugh this episode. I have
to give my gentleman's tip of the hat to that
was my path and oh careful he really falling. Oh
my god, that really was so funny. I really think

(01:13:20):
that michaelas Brennan was really killing it this episode, like
he did just such a good job. Is that just
my straight up best part?

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
I think it might be shut out?

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
I love it? Sorry, what's your best part?

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
My best part is the Dutch angle shot of the
weapons in the shed and them coming in and get it,
getting the weapons with the like in the background they
leaned in. Yeah, so hard like they And I am
a firm believer that the funniest thing is something in stupid. Yeah,

(01:14:02):
done to the highest degree and played completely serious like
that is the pinnacle of comedy to me. And they
go so hard take this storyline so far. The background
music is so incredibly dramatic. I really was eating it up.

(01:14:22):
It was such a pleasure to watch. I know, huh,
all right, you're ready for a kill? Count I am.
Here's my question. Are we counting the I was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Looking at that on Buffy Wiki. I don't should.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
I think we should count Mother Monster and the little
monsters are all like they share brains. I'm only counting
Mother Monsters.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
I mean, I think we can count maybe the one
that Buffy stabs and the one that Xander boils.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Okay, but then like, but then we see a bunch
of them like fall out of the backs of people's shirts.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Well, those ones are connect to the mother I think.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
But I know, like, where's the line? I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
I think if we count any of them, we should
count two. But you don't think we should count any
of them. We don't have to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
I mean, we can't count the two. I just am
like I saw I saw the bodies like I saw
the bodies of the other ones, So let's count them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Okay. So we got kind of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
We got boiled Egg, bizarre boiled egg little Monster, we
got Buffy's little Monster, we got Mother Monster, and we
got gay boy texture gorch. I keep saying text textor gorch,
Texter's laboratory, Texter's laboratory, laboratory.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
I know, I know it's laboratory.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
No, that is very funny. I wasn't laughing at you.
I was laughing with you. That's okay, funny, Okay, Texter's laboratory.
I have not updated the master count in a while,
so I don't know what the overall count is. I
need to do that, but the the count for this
episode is four based on what we just said. Shout

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out one final thought that I forgot, which is to
reveal that Willow's egg hatched after she had that whole
conversation where she was my age hasn't done anything. Gag city.
I love that. But then the next day when she
and Buffy and Cordelia are walking and then the camera
pans down and you see it. The it's tramp stamp yeah,

(01:16:35):
the like tramp stamp bug. That was making me laugh
because I could tell that Alison Hannigan's shirt was it
cropped high enough to see it? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
And I could tell that they were making her lean
forward like you can see you watch, you can see
the top of her body start to hinge forward as
she's walking so that her shirt creeps up further.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
I know. I mean they have her in like a
straight up button down that covers half of her butt.
You can tell it's not it's not the shirt that
they that the director wants her to be in.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Yeah, that was making me laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Okay, Yes, it's time for the games. A lot of
the episode. I know you said yours before, but give
it a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Here, Yes, Tector Coorch saying, isn't that a jealous Why
is he making me blush about watching Angel kiss someone?
Gay boy behavior? Tector Corch, I know what you are. Yeah,
Mother Monster had to drag you down to hell, Lena,

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what's your gays part?

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
I have to say beyond that, this episode feels very
straight to me, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Like okay, I mean it's a lot of straight kissing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
A lot of straight kissing, which reproduction.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Hello straight?

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
What the hell? Who's having sex like that?

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Gay couples can't do that?

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Pav P and B sex not on my queer podcast? No,
I mean what would be my I would say one
mother alert. I think Lady Gaga.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
In the Concrete Lady Gaga having her first on screen
credit INTE.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Ninety eight, January twelfth.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Really exciting, really exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Grat Stephanie.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
She came up, they pulled the concrete off, and she
went rah rah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Ro my ro ma ma and she whips that guy down.
She goes, yeah, no, seriously, I think that, and I
think Buffy destroying her from the inside. I think that's
pretty gay, very coming up covered in her blood. Yeah, totally.
Which is musical theater, which is gay?

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Yeah, which's gay? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Oh my god? Fine, fine, you know, I think I
hope people are. I don't know, like go back and
watching you guys, you'll have fun.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
But if you didn't have fun, and if you hated it,
you can email us at Recovering gleek at gmail dot com.
Let us know you didn't like about it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Or but if you did like this episode you agree
with us. Tell us you did a Recovering glek at
gmail dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Hell yeah, no, no, no, no, it's time as an emails
banan no no no what kind of means of emails?
Ban no no.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
There's time as an emails no no, no happy email,
no no, it's time for emails. Everyone. We're gonna read
some emails that listeners sent in. All right, if you
would like to send emails, you can send them to
Recovering Gleek at gmail.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
I hope you will. Okay, let's get things off. Let's
hear from from the podcast Ryan, shall we?

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
The subject of this email is my least favorite episode
of all time. Hi, guys, let me explain why Ted
is my least favorite episode of all time. Every time
I express this online, people come at me with it's
supposed to make you uncomfortable. Yano, shit, I'm not stupid,
but therein lies the word uncomfortable. I'm allowed to not

(01:20:25):
like the episode because it made me uncomfortable, even if
that was intentional. But it's bigger than that. My three
reasons it's borderline triggering, the characters are inconsistently written, and
there are better ways to handle this trope. First reason
it's triggering, possibly my least favorite trope that is commonly
used in media, is an abuse or bally child speaking

(01:20:47):
out only to get shrugged off, invalidated, or straight up
gas lit. It makes me uncomfortable and actively hinders my
enjoyment of the episode. It reminds me of the beginning
of Home Alone one and two. Kevin is actively being
bullied by almost every member of his family, and when
he speaks out, he's labeled as being in the wrong. Obviously,
it's intentional. We've all felt like Kevin at some point

(01:21:07):
in our lives, but frankly, I don't want to feel
that when watching a show. I want to enjoy. Second reason,
the characters are inconsistently written for this one episode, and
the explanation for it is weak. It is out of
character for everyone to invalidate Buffy's feelings some of them, sure,
every single one Joyce, No, hell no. The explanation is

(01:21:31):
a poor attempt at explaining away any repercussions the characters
should face. Some vague ecstasy like substance in the cookies
not good enough for me. Also, the tonal shift midway
through the episode, with Buffy having to cope with killing
a real person whiplash. This is not the episode to
open that can of worms. They tried doing too much.

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Third reason, there are better ways to handle this trope.
Let me speak about my favorite book series of all time,
A series of Unfortunate Events. The three kids we follow
through the books are constantly abused by almost every adult
they come across and are invalidated at every corner they turn.
But the key difference there is almost every adult. The

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books give us readers a relief, a space to breathe
and fear feel comfortable by having good adults who try
to help. There are adults who believe them, trust them, and,
while always unsuccessful, try to help them. Every tragedy needs
comic relief. Every trauma story needs a source of reprieve.
There are brief comedic relief moments of Jenny and Giles

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and Cordy being Cordy, but there is no reprieve directly
related to Buffy, and as an audience we need that
to be on board for the rest of it. Without
giving us time to sit comfortably, we can't enjoy the
negative elements of the story, which are otherwise presented pretty well. This,
of course, is much easier to do in a thirteen
book series than one episode of a TV show. Ted

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is a fantastic metaphor for real world issues. It's mostly
a well written episode, has a clear vision, and executes
it pretty well. Are there worst episodes of the show,
Oh yeah, Oh yeah, this is objectively not the worst episode.
But the fun thing about being a human being with
free choice is that I can label this as my
worst episode of the show, and so it is my

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single saving grace is Joyce's face reacting to Ted's malfunctions
when he comes back. You covered a lot of this
really well in the episode. Anyway, Buffy is better than me.
I would beat the Scoomy's ass is so hard for everything.
Much love Acab and fuck Ted Ryan he him from
Canada International listener.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Oh my god, Acab, fuck Ted for real. I appreciate
this this email, so m Tryan and I honestly I
fully hear where you're coming from, and I love especially
what you say about you are You're a human being
with free choice. If this is your worst episode on
so you make a lot of really solid, solid points,

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and I hear that, and I hope, I hope you
never have to watch this episode episode again, especially with
all that all of this makes a lot, a lot,
a lot of sense to me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
I like your point a lot about their being over
a previous episode, obviously, like we enjoyed the episode listen
to us talk about it last week, but you make
great points about the episode. Is just like watching Buffy
get pummeled to the ground for forty five minutes, and yes,
the Jenny gild stuff is cute, and yes Cordelia is funny.

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But like, like you say, Ryan, Buffy does not catch
a break until the last five minutes, and just mimicking
everything you said, there is no moment for us as
the viewers to catch our breath with Buffy, and that
therefore does make it a hard and frustrating watch. And
I think you make great points about yes, the episode

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is very successful and getting us to feel what it
wants us to feel, but like at the end of
the day, you can get us to see the exact
same message and get us to feel similar feelings in
a way that is not so tortuous to watch. Because,
as I said in the episode, this was the angriest
episode has ever made me, and me personally, I liked

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that about it, Like I liked the fact that it
made me feel something that is that was so strong.
But I also don't plan on.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Like definitely not a fun watch.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Yeah, so I like this email, and Ryan did comment.
He commented on our post to say this is my
least favorite episode. He said, what if I told you
that this is my least favorite episode of the entire show?

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
I know. I saw that comment. I was like, oh
my god, I can't. I hope you send an email.
And you did.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
I responded, and I said, depending on why, I would
say that, maybe the episode did its job. And then
Ryan said, I'm going to send an email, and send
an email. He did and it is very good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Ryan, I really appreciate this so much. Up next, let's
hear from Daphne shall we Hi.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
Ian, and Lena. I've been listening since the second episode
of Recovering Gleek. Ever, Oh my gosh, holy cow. Hi Daphane,
and when you guys announced you would be covering Buffy next,
it was a big huzza moment for me. Buffy was
huge for me all throughout my childhood because my parents
were big fans as it was airing, but never met anyone.

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But I never met anyone else who actually even watched it. Anyways,
after five years, I'm emailing in for the first time
to give my thoughts on specifically the racial dynamics you
talked about in season two, episode ten. I have two
major thoughts. My first thought is that there is one
other named Poc in the series who falls into the

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exact same pitfalls that you guys called out about Kendra
and Pata from the jump, and Pata, as a care
and as the first person of color representation on the show,
falls into the same pitfalls that Kendra falls into. She
is completely othered and exotic by circumstances of plot centuries old,

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and literally a mummy and micro aggressed a lot. Two
instances that come to mind that you covered an inca
mummy girl are Xander speaking so slowly and loudly to
her and broken English, and Giles assuming that this as
far as he's aware, sixteen year old girl from Lima
can read a super ancient language just because they're both

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from the same country. Like Kendra, Impata's otherness makes sense
in the plot. She was once a normal girl like
Buffy who is made other by circumstances outside of her control. However,
and Pata has the same issues as Kendra in the
sense that this then becomes our expectation not only for
POC characters, but also Hispanic characters more specifically. As a

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side note, my sister thinks Impata straight up was a
slagh thoughts. My second thought is that Buffy's from Los Angeles,
while Sunnydale might be predominantly of the Caucasian persuasion. Shout out,
mister Trick. Los Angeles certainly is not so. Buffy, unlike
her friends, born and raised in Sunnydale, should be used

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to a more diverse population and being around people of
all races. What do you guys think of how Buffy
acts towards Kendra in light of that? I fear it's
kind of worse because any ability to claim ignorance, not
that that would justify anything, goes whoosh out the window. Anyways,
hope this email isn't too late for you to read
and enjoy. You guys are killing it all the best. Daphne, Daphne,

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You're right, it is worse, define worse. Yeah, it's just
I can you know, I can say that the othering
makes sense for the plot, and while I think it
was tone deaf and not the right way to do it,
I am like, but I understand plot wise what they're
trying to do here, But Buffy saying like no Kick,

(01:29:00):
no Fido, and Buffy mimicking Kendri's accent is like, but
actually there's no excuse for this, Like, it's not furthering
the plot at all. It's not like holding up a
mirror to Buffy. It is just our lead character being racist,
being racist. I don't know why I completely forgot about
Impata when we were talking about what's my line? You

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make very good points about we have now had two
women who are both introduced onto the show to be
mirrors of Buffy in a way, and both are both
fall into the exact same traps. I exactly what you
laid out so articularly in your email. And Lina, what
do you think about Ampata being.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Is I think especially like you know, like we talked
about this in the episode, but the fact that she
was chosen as a young teenager like in a way,
you know, like mirrors so much of Buffy's own experience
and like away she kicks ass. I was like, Okay,

(01:30:03):
there's something like cosmic and like you know, otherworldly in
her powers here, and like I wonder if you know
that's intentional. So I love that. I think that's totally
I think that's totally real.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
Yeah, and like that's the reason that she would have
been the person that they chose to sacrifice to the gods. Yes,
she's literally the chosen one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Also, Daphne first email in five years, Oh my god,
Oh I love to hear this from you. I don't know,
like reading something like this like just like fills my
heart with so much, like God, like, where have you

(01:30:48):
been all this time? Daphne, thank you, thank you for
emailing us.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
I'm going to bring up something and if you feel
like this is a spoiler, Leaned, tell me and I'll
cut it. Speaking of like was Ampata slayer, I've also
seen theorizing online. We know obviously Kendra her her community
somehow found out that she had like the possibility to

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be a slayer before she was called, and so therefore
she went into training. So like, clearly there's a way
to identify, like, clearly there are women in the world
who have like the slayer gene, whatever that might be,
that manifests in some way so that the people in
Kendri's community were able to identify in her. And I
have seen theorizing online that Drusilla was not ever called

(01:31:42):
to be a slayer, but she had the gene, had
the potential and that is why Drusilla has six I've
heard that too.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
I mean, we should definitely bring it up at another time,
but I think no, I don't think cut it, but
I think it like warrants a larger conversation because I
and I felt that way for a long time. Yes,
but I think there are like several, you know, women
that we meet on this show that you know, have

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parallels to Buffy that would only make sense that they
would carry the gene.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Either be slayers or have been potential slayers. Yeah, that
is something I also personally do. Believe. My god, it's
just been like, when do we get to the point
in the show that we actually bring it up. Anyways,
that's something to think about moving forward that both of
us apparently independently have thought about and have been waiting
for the rest on the podcast. Yeah, so we'll have

(01:32:42):
further discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
On you sure. Dephanie. Thank you so much for reaching
out to us and sending us this email. I genuinely
super appreciate it, and I'm so glad to have you listening.
Thank you for being here since our second episode. That
will make me cry. Okay, now let's hear from Jasmine.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
Do you lean and Ian? Hello? This is Jasmine. They
them from New Jersey. Loved the last few episodes, but
I have to say I was surprised when you said
that what's my line? Episodes feel like a major turning
point in the series for you. On my first watch
and every watch since, Ted was the biggest change in
the show for me. Maybe it's because I binged the

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first season and a half of it all so quickly,
but this episode felt like a seismic shift in terms
of how I viewed Buffy and her powers and what
the writers were willing to do. While we learn early
on that no character's death is off limits via Jesse,
Ted's death feels like a major departure. We are led
to dislike him and mistrust him, but he is still

(01:33:41):
very much a human being to the viewer when he
is killed by Buffy. From this point on, I feel
like I'm watching a different show where Buffy is not
absolved of human affairs and the lines continue to get
blurrier in terms of her power over life and death.
It's only by sheer luck Ted turns out to be
a robot. One of the reasons the show is so
poignant is that it continues to ask these questions and

(01:34:02):
explore the morality of being a slayer, something I'm looking
forward to discussing in future episodes and seasons. Much Love Jasmine, PS.
My sister has started listening to the podcast, and it's
been fun to have someone else be parasocial about you too.
I think it's really a testament to how great the
podcast has become. Pps A, Lena, I'm so glad you
watched Interview with the Vampire. The show. Isn't it the

(01:34:23):
best thing ever? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Like it is? Oh my god. I've been telling literally
everyone at every turn. All my friends are so annoyed
with me, Ian because all I keep doing is being like,
but it would be so fun if you watch the show.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
I found out that my rumor is logged into this
Netflix on our TV.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
Well, when you get any more time, I know you're
the busiest person.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Alive now right now, it's hard, I know, but it's
worse once my life calms down.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
It's seriously, I'm telling you guys, it's so damn good.
Change my life. I can't wait, change my life.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
I'll make an announcement right here speaking about me being busy,
just because our schedule order is so weird, and I
all announce it here since this is going to come
out in two days, or should I announce this after
and we talked let's talk the first Yeah? Okay, great?
Then scratch, we'll do it, and it's like it No,

(01:35:21):
I am really interested in watching that show because I
did really enjoy that book. Yeah, and I would love
to see it adapted, and I hear nothing but good things.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
It seriously is the most wonderful thing. It's like the
best thing I've seen in a very, very very long time.
And like, I haven't felt this giddy about a TV show,
Like all I do is watch edits and you know,
watch people theorize and watch breakdowns. It's really really, really lovely.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
And the book is so like they clearly are gay
for each other, but like it never goes into it.
It never like comes out and says it explicitly. I
think largely it's written in the seventies, but from what
I've heard, the TV show is just like, no, straight
up there. Yeah, they're in love their husbands and their races,

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their daughter together.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
It's really wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
And also hello Jemin's sister.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Yeah, oh my god, Jasmine. I actually I like what
you're saying here, and I agree. I think this is
a big turning point in the show as well, especially
like you know, like to you know a first watcher
that like Buffy kills a civilian, Like, of course he's
a hashtag bad man, but like, what does that mean

(01:36:39):
for what does that mean for Buffy going forward in
her power of life and death? I really like what
you stay here.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
I agree it is an extremely dark episode, and I
was gagged with how hard they leaned into Like Ted
actually is dead and Buffy's like being investigated by the police.
That's crazy, that is crazy. But I hear what you're
saying about. No episode up to this point has been
willing to go this real world dark. And something I

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love about this show is it's supernatural and it's all heightened,
and then every once in a while it's like, okay,
but here is actually real world darkness and here's a
real world hardship. And I love how it like holds
both those things in its hands. And I feel like
this is one of the first times, I mean, and
ends up being supernatural because he's a robot, but like

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we have to face Buffy's like talking to a cop,
like Buffy is being investigated by law enforcement. It's compelling.
It's interesting. When we said that what's my line was
a big turning point, I was largely meaning, like the

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actual world that we exist in is changed because now
we know that there is another Slayer and now like
Cordelia and Xander are kissing and Willow and Oz are flirting,
So like the the actual dynamics of the world has shifted.
But I agree that ted tonally is much more of
a shift and kind of reflects how tonally dark the

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show is willing to get in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
I also feel like this show is pretty constantly evolving,
so I like, even just thinking about the show as
a whole, I can see so many turning points, turning
point episodes like there are so it is just like
ever evolving. So I I see so many I don't think,

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you know, I think both can be be turning points.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
But I so we're turning every episode. He'll turn, here'll
turn I do. I do genuinely kind of feel that
way too, Like every like third or fourth episode and
like turning, turning point, turning point. Now We've recorded an
episode yesterday that literally within the first ten minutes, I'm like,
this episode is a major turning point in a series.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
Oh all right, well, thank you all for I love.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
To hear from you all, And if you have thoughts
about the episode that you're listening to right now, please
send us an email. I'd love to hear from you. Okay, bye,
wait your announcement.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
Not bye, Oh my gosh, my announcement. Okay, speaking of
me being very busy, I'll just say this now so
it gets out earlier. I'm doing a show. I got
cast in a show, can you believe? And it's a
show in the Greater New York area, which like he booked,
he booked. I actually am so gagged. It's been so
long since I went from like one job immediately into another,
which is ah gorgeous. So anyways, if anyone's in the

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Greater New York area and they would like to come
see a show. If you are and they'd like to
come see me in a show, I am in Finding
Neverland at White Planes Performing Arts Center in White Plains.
It is a like forty minute train ride from New
York City, or if you have a car, it's like
forty minutes by car. We run December twelfth through January fourth,

(01:40:14):
I believe. Let me let me double check that. Yes,
we run December twelfth through January fourth. Come check us
out in White Planes. I'm actually like I think it's
I start rehearsals very soon. But I have been looking
at stuff about the theater and I've been stuck in

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cast members, and I think it's gonna be a very
good show. And I am a little bit like I
can't believe that I'm in it. So it's very exciting
and everyone's to come check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
See the show, go see the show. You better you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
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Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
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We'll see you guys back here next week for the
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Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
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Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
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Oh my god, pricared.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
See you back here next week for surprise. Love you guys.

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Uh, stay safe, stay sleigh, stay, stay, stay gay, and
see you here next week for surprise. I have a
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Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
We'll see whereys later. Here is a kiss on your
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Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
You know it's funny that you sing that, because I
was getting Guardians of the Galaxy vibes from how Buffy
killed Mother Monster.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
Oh, it's very beginning of Guardians Galaxy too. She went
all drags on him.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
She went all drags on him.

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
See, and that's what I thought, I want and I
want She's going to go drags on this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
Yell. Of course, there's no other way. What kind of
looks like that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
I don't know, I used to know these names, but
it looks like you guys, know, you know the thing
beginning Guardians of the Galaxy too, that drags goes all
drags on. Mother Monster looks like that