BtVS S2E2 Some Assembly Required

Love makes you do the whacky, like reanimating your dead brother, sewing together corpses, and kidnapping and plotting to kill your classmate.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
My head's itchy.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
My head is itchy too. I actually, do you ever
see those videos online of people like peeling off their
scalp skin? No?

Speaker 1 (00:12):
What what are you watching?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Like people who have like dermatitis? I've not seen that, dandriff.
No fun you don't need to do that. You don't
like skin stuff like.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
That, not particularly?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
No, you like a pimple pop?

Speaker 1 (00:36):
I never got into doctor pimple popper.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Really, yeah, hear you.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I don't. I don't want to be like gender binary,
gender norms me me, but I have noticed is it
like a distinctly really like woman thing to be really
into like skin stuff and doctor pimple popper? Because I
like my sisters love that kind of stuff. I feel
like everyone I know is a woman, yeah who like

(01:05):
loves popping pimples, watching videos of pimples popping, watching videos pulls.
Oh yeah, what's that about?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Gosh?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
It set the patriarchy keeping you down, and so it
makes it feel like you're in control of something. If
you could pop a pimple.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I wonder. I don't know that's so funny. I don't
know every boyfriend I ever have, they I've ever had,
they hate when I pop their backsits hate it, which
I won't do it if they really don't want me to.
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
I'm like when I was a kid, and a kid
meaning like a like a preteen, because I was getting acne,
my sister would just just like, without my consent, just
go crazy and start looking not even like, oh, you
have a big ZiT, let me take care of it,
like examining my face and my neck up close, looking
for something she could.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I was hanging out with my brother and my sister
this weekend and my sister goes, hey, do to my
She goes, hey, do you have any like neck pimples?
I don't know, And we were like, maybe we can
look what is that about? I don't know? Wow? The
two genders. The two genders, people who like popping pimples

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and people who don't.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Recovering Gleek presents.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
A clear Buffy podcast. Hello everyone, and welcome to So
I'm Lena.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
I got scared because I thought I'm misremembered I was,
I was huge. I was running in my head. I
was like, I'm gonna tell Lena right before we both
say it. I'm gonna tell her an emotion for both
of us to convey tout silly and then you started
saying I went, oh, I missed it. I missed it.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
That was in a freight trained cannats or taken over
the pod. Okay, tell me an emotion.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
No, you have to, it's right before, because it's got
to go straight into Okay. I'm Lena and I'm Ian
and welcome to Bewildered Slay.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
A queer buddy podcast. We're happy to have York. I
liked it. I liked it. Oh my god, everyone, welcome
to Some Assembly Required.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Some Assembly Required so crazy. I had largely forgotten about
this episode, but recently I've just been like watching the
odd video on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Just like on YouTube,
someone's saying, here's.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
We share, but we share a YouTube account I've seen
yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
And I was seeing a lot of YouTubers be like,
and you know those Turkey episodes. Yeah, like some assembly require, Yeah, Hi.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I know.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Liked it.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
I literally was thinking today. I was like, I would
love to find an episode I don't like. That would
be just sick.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
I'm like, wait a second, these are bangers. I'm not
like jonesing to watch Some Assembly Required. It's not like
on my top ten but hear me out. This episode spooky,
It's fun.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I know, I love Frankenstein.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
It also has some like kind of tragically beautiful moments.
When Darryl is trying to kidnap Cordelia and then pauses
and watches the football game, I was like, wait, why
is this heartbreaking? Oh?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
It was sad, And that's the thing is that's something
that I was I was most compelled by this episode
was this is a family that is like really affected
by the death of the oldest son. And I keep
wanting to like be mean about Chris or you know,
the mom or anything like yeah the world recording. Chris

(05:00):
kept like wanting to like be strictly mean about them,
but I was like, no, Like this family is incredibly compelling.
Obviously they're doing bad things, and like this mother is
abandoning her son. This like like this young boy is
like treating women like objects and like you know, in

(05:20):
with the wrong crowd and like resurrected his brother and
his brother is like anyway, incredibly compelling stuff Like these
are villains, but they have they have depth to them.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
I felt the same way because I was trying to
be really anti Chris so that I could have something
to talk about. No, totally, this little perfect psycho.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I wanted to call them perfect psychos.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, and hear me out, Eric perfect psycho. Yeah, Eric
is a perfect psycho. But Chris. I kept thinking about it,
and obviously he's morally in the wrong, and.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
The episode he's wrong.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yes, and the episode does not try to mask that fact.
But I was like, actually, I totally get it, especially
when we see his home life and we see his
mom just sat in front of the TV watching videos
of his brother, and his mom not only doesn't know
if Chris is home, does not even know if it's
a school day or not. No, totally, obviously his entire world.

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Not only did he lose his brother, but he lost
his whole family in the process. I can see how
he would get to a point where he tries to
resurrect his brother, sees, this is my only chance at
one getting over my grease, but also getting I know
I'm getting emotional, but like, this is the only chance

(06:41):
my family has at getting any sense of normalcy. I
just don't see any other way out of it. And
then he brings his brother back to life the way
that Chris talks about his brother in this episode. Clearly
he and Daryl had a very close relationship. Daryl always
stuck up for him. Daryl was his hero, was like
the guy at school, was popular, was cool. Chris was

(07:02):
the little loser, but Daryl was always at Chris's side,
helping him. And so he feels like he owes Daryl
this thing. And now Daryl is back and is horribly disfigured,
feels terribly alone, does not want to be on earth again,
and pretty much says the.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Way of dying and then coming back to life.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yes, and then essentially says, the only way that I
will be okay is if I don't have to spend
the rest of my life alone. And now Chris is
suddenly in this situation where it's like, well, I have
to create another Frankenstein monster. I frankly get it. He's
a very compelling villain. I understood every step of logic
he had in this episode.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
No, I so agree, And also, you're right in the wrong,
but I think God knows what I would do in
that situation like that. It was really tough to see,
and like this family is so in such a tough position,
and it doesn't help that they have this creepy little
psycho pervert Igor in the basement.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Helping him doesn't help that Chris's best friend is a
psycho pervert.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, and that's the psycho pervert of the of the episode.
I'll tell you what Eric.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
And then in the next episode we see Eric's home
life and we're like, wait, I get it.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Dang.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Eric doesn't excuse it, but he's in a tough position.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
He's really going through it. Baby, I remember what well.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
In I didn't include in the slacks, but I'll tell
you here. And now they don't ever come back, but
they are in the yearbook that they released in nineteen
ninety nine. Oh interesting, in nineteen ninety nine yearbook, and
in the on Buffy wiki it says like it looks
like they got therapy.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Which like, good for them, no longer a cycle pervert
for him.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
But yeah, they never come back.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, no, I was surprised someone in this episode never
comes back. But did come back for this episode was
her second appearance? Did you clock that?

Speaker 2 (09:07):
No?

Speaker 1 (09:08):
What who miss cheerleader who's like, oh my god, yeah,
she doesn't need losers like you, Yes, from which I
noticed that. Yeah, hey, mama, I.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Convinced myself that she had been in other episodes, because
I was like, oh, that's you know, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Well, shoot, do you have anything big to talk about
before we get to these slacks.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
That I love you? And I was wondering if you
wanted to Yes, that'd be nice. No, I don't think so,
do you? No?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
I would agree into it. This is so silly because
this will come out in September's been really into a
chorus line recently dependent of its fiftieth anniversary.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I just really got into it again. And then a
week later is realized it was a fifty anniversary and went,
oh my gosh, everything's about me.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Everything.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
I started listening to a course sign it has this
fifty anniversary. I start talking with Lena about By the
Vampire Slayer again, and they do a reboot. They about me.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
They also, in real time, just announced the cast of
the reboot. What wait, real, you haven't been a part
of that. I forgot. All I do all day is
like Buffy stuff on our TikTok to get us in
the dreams.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Mary, I'm working three jobs. I do not have time
for this.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Hey, ay Aria, it's.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Been an event. I knew about the new kid that
like they had the video of Sarah Michelle like offering
her the part.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yes, I think they have her, like her band of
scoobieska cool.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, if this article would load, Sarah Buck, Okay, this
looks Oh my gosh, wait what little miss thing from Severance.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Most thing I haven't seen sever.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Oh my gosh, that's right, the little girl in Severance,
miss miss Wang, miss Wang girl. I love miss Wang.
She's in it.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Great.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Oh yeah, she's cool. Shit. Okay, this article doesn't have
anyone's pictures, so I'm having to type them into Thank
God cool to see who they are. Okay, Sarah Box,
shout out, I have a gene? Do I know anything
about you? I don't know this girl at all. Okay,
I think Sarah Box the only one that I know.

(11:35):
But you know, I love miss Wang, so that's a
win for me.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Great.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Anyways, Hey, that's exciting. Shout out of your reboot.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
We're talking about this as of today, July twenty eighth,
so God knows what will happen in between now and
when when this episode comes out.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
So all right, well.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Hey, hey, ready to hear some fun fact maybe slacks
about some of them we required.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Maybe let's find out, Well, let's find out.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Oh yeah, it's time some assembly required is the second
episode of the second season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer
and the fourteenth of episode overall. This episode was written
by Ty King and directed by You guessed it. Every
time I ever do the slacks, it's this guy, Bruce
Seth Green, no relation and don't you forget it. It

(12:34):
originally broadcast on September twenty second, nineteen ninety seven. I
was almost one years old, almost my first birthday. Okay,
so you're gonna be so excited about this. Obviously you noticed,
you know him, you love him. The prologue returns this
episode and is now narrated by Anthony Stewart Head big.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Daddy, poor voice guy from season one. Out of a job.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
I literally was like, who was it? And I actually
don't know, So shout out to Anthony stewart Head.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
She is the Slayer.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, well, I mean Anthony Sewart had. He is way
sexier of a voice than that guy. Sorry, sorry to
that guy. The football stadium that was used in this
episode is at West High Nights. Yeah we're putting up
but by West High School in Torrance, California, which is
different than Torrance High which is where the exteriors of
Buffy are always filmed. And this is my last, my

(13:36):
last slack for you. This is the only time that
Angel wears a tan jacket. Why are you laughing?

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Compelling?

Speaker 2 (13:47):
I know, I honestly did. I was like, what's he wearing?
And good to know that he never I know, seriously
in the new suit.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Angel Joel chill, disgusting, psycho, pervert.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Let me tell you about the Let me tell you
about the kill count whoa not that I don't know
why I do that. Let me tell you about the
international titles. Yeah, okay, a lot of these are mostly
some of some of the required. A little bit of
assembly required, Assembly is required, you know the vibes, A

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little self assembly required. The check title okay, the finish
title is Beyond the Grave. The French title is lap
so the puzzle. The Hungarian what well, hey it is
azz Girl is the puzzle, I guess so. The Hungarian

(14:54):
title is from Parts to Whole, Italian is Spare Parts,
Appanese is Revive the Corpse. Polish We've gotten mill We've
got so many good ones. The Polish one is Extended overview.
Portuguese is it needs retouching, and then the Spanish one

(15:18):
America touching is someone has been required, But then you're
gonna love this one. The German one is Operation Cordelia.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Oh hell yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Which I mean I think gives away a lot of
the gag, but I really like it. Why aren't there
more episodes named after Cordelia? That's what I'm asking?

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Is also like, so not what I know episode is
about at all, and isn't until like the final third
of the episode that they settle on Let's get Cordelia.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
I know it's so funny too, Like, you know, obviously
Cordelia dated Darryl, but I don't think that's like as
big of a It's not made that big of a deal.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
They did date, She says that they did, but when
he sees her, when she's strapped to the table and
he's talking to her, he says something like, you were
always so nice to me, and I never paid any
attention to you.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
He was he was a bad Yes, he was just
a bad boyfriend, like a boyfriend who just like didn't
have the time for her.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
I mean that was very possible. Does she say that
they date or does she just say that she has
memories of Darryl.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I think she dated Darryl. I can look up the
transcripts of the episode. Boy said, Yes, Cordelia had a
romantic interest.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Girl, do not give me this AI.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Oh, I'm it was the first thing I saw. I'm sorry,
see this way? I hate AI?

Speaker 1 (16:47):
How do I I'm just saying that the AI or
overview is not right. Yeah, because what Buffy Wikie says
is that Cordelia at one point had crush.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Okay, Buffy gude interesting, she just was so okay. She
was just so sad about him that I assumed it
was that they dated.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
But she also when she was sad about him, it
was in the scene where she's actively trying to get
people to pay attention to her when she's in the library.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
And that doesn't make it not true. She's lying.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Well, if you someone that you had a crush on
him were close to died a year later, you would
still be sad about it. Absolutely, I'm not saying that
she's lying about being sad, But I do also think
that she's so vocal about her sadness because in that
scene she is very much trying to get someone to
pay attention to focus on other stuff.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Sure, I definitely I can see that. I can see
that I thought that they that that meant that they dated.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
But it's also very possible that they did date. I
don't know, and I just apologize.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
No, no, no, I agree. It was just the first thing
I saw. And that's why I hate AI is they're
thrusting it on me even when I don't want it.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, I don't know anyways, but she might have dated
him because I thought the same thing. I thought they
did too.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
It's not necessarily like to bring it back to the
AI think. It says she had romantic interest. That doesn't
mean dating.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Not to cite AI again, but.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
I thought they dated too until that scene where he
was like, I never paid attention to you, But you
are right. It could also be a bad boyfriend situation.
Who knows who knows?

Speaker 2 (18:29):
But iaship she also dates.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, she's also dating someone. Every episode she dated Mitch
and then the next episode she was dating what's his face?

Speaker 2 (18:39):
I got reasons why I tease them. Boys just come
and go, like season for Delicious, Like she's living that life,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Exactly, She's living the fergolicious life.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I've always said that about her, and I've literally I've
always thought that about her.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
The first time I heard I heard fur delicious, I went,
is this Cordelia Chase?

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah? Literally, all right, Operation Cordelia.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
So here's what happened on Operation Cordelia. Previously on Operation Cordelia,
Buffy and Angel are still beefing, and everyone's looking for love.
Giles is trying to get with Jenny the computer teacher.
Cordy's trying to get with Angel, the reinsold vampire. Xander's
trying to get with Buffy the Vampire's layer. Even a

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living corpse is looking for a squeeze. Said corpse is
Darryl Epps, former sunny Dale football star who's been reanimated
by his brother Chris and Chris's nasty friend Eric Psycho Perpert,
who have promised Darryl a girlfriend made out of the
stwn together bodies of recently deceased co eds. Chris and

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Eric realize that to bring the bride of Daryl to life,
they need a fresh brain, the fresher the better, and
Eric sets his sights on Cordelia. Cordelia is captured and
prepped for surgery, but saved at the last minute by
our scoobies and a remorseful Chris. Buffy fights Daryl, Xander
freeze Cordy, and the whole lab goes down in flames.

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With Daryl still inside, Angel and Buffy reconcile and reflect
on the crazy things people do for love. And that's
what happened, all right.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
I'm happy to hear that you enjoyed this episode because
I did too. I thought this episode was really, really fun.
Where do we want to be? Kin?

Speaker 1 (20:28):
I liked this episode a lot. You liked this episode
a lot? And something I thought. I don't know, I
feel like people are missing Yeah, these Twilight Zone episodes.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
No, I know, they don't get it like we do.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Exactly what we're saying is we're smart and everyone's smart. Yes,
I'm smart, you're dumb. I'm right, you're wrong. But I
do genuinely feel like there is a lot of charm
and a lot of thought put into these one off episodes.
I agree that get disregarded just because they're not like

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furthering the.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Over Yeah, No, I agree, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
The overarching part of the season. This episode, yes, is
like spooky, scary, and I think that's fun, and it's
Frankenstein's Monster, and that's a fun trope. But beyond that,
I really like that this episode has a central idea,
and that central idea is love makes you do the

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wacky quoth Willow Rose makes you. Yeah, this entire episode
is about what people will do for love. We have
the shipping wars going on. We have Angel and Buffy
both being assholes to each other because they're in love
with each other. Angels so jealous of Buffy doing a

(21:50):
sexy dance, Sander.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
And his mind mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
And then we have Gil.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Exactly one sexy dance and then losing their mind and
treating you like shit for a month exactly.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
And then we have Giles becoming a bumbling idiot because
he's in love with Jenny. And then we have Chris
and all of these things that Chris is doing because
of his love for his brother.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I and then also, you know, Darryl is also acting
monstrous because he is so alone and is so afraid
of a life without love. It just is so interesting.
What I'm trying to say is I like that this
episode has a central theme and just showing what love

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drives people to do. Both in minor funny ways, like oh,
they're just kind of jealous and being petty with each
other to the extremes that people will go to and
the things that will rationalize because they're doing something for
someone they love.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, no, I still agree. I love that. That's such
a good thought.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I think this episode raw. I think it's very well done.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
I also think to like put Frankenstein in a high school,
like Franken, like the Bride of Frankenstein in a high school,
and like what does that mean for the girls at
the school, the girls in these towns, like the havoc
that that reeks, and like what what might that look
like here in Sunnydale? It is incredibly compelling and like, also,

(23:26):
this episode is really funny. I was laughing. I was
hahiing I frankly. I was like, I would love to
find an episode I don't like. I think it would
be so fun, but I just haven't done it, even
the episodes that are like pretty middle of the road
to me, like I'm thinking the pack off the top
of my head. But like, I still like enjoyed it.
I still enjoyed it way more than I ever thought

(23:47):
I like did in the past, and I'm like, do
we just like what am I missing? And you know,
I like what you said too. Where Like it's these
Twilight Zone style episodes, in these Monster of the episodes
that might not further the plot in the way that
people are used to in other seasons, but still like

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have like amazing character moments. I love Buffy bullying Angel.
I love Cordelia being attacked and then running to go
to cheerleading practice. I even like a lot of the
Xanders stuff. I really he was making me laugh this
episode when Jenny said, oh, miss Calendar is my father.

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Oh my god, that's most charming woman alive. I want
her so badly.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
I sincerely watching this episode was like, is this episode
my straight awakening Calendar?

Speaker 2 (24:44):
No? I need her.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Is obviously like stunningly gorgeous, of course, but she is
so smooth. Oh she she is so cool. She is
so confident. The way she efforts asks out. Giles just
kind of backhandedly as like, oh yeah, and then whatever
important thing you want to ask about, you can do

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it at the football game. Just pick me up. We'll
get dinner before you. Like Mexican I was, I was
ready to go on a date with her. No I seriously, seriously.
And then also this is less important, but I was
just like so high on Jenny watching this episode and
being like, am I in love with her? And then
obviously I, you know, I like recognize beautiful people. I'm

(25:30):
not saying like I'm gay, and so all women are
like to me, no, no, no, no no. But and so
I obviously am aware that like Christma Carpenter is stunning.
But something about end the episode newly freed Christmas Carpenter,
She's like covered in soot. It's like a little dishevel
that I went, wait, why is this working for me?

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Like, oh my god, straight podcast. Yes, love that. That
is so hey. I think that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
She's looking beautiful.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
She is looking beautiful. Also, she does such a good
damsel in distress. That's I was like, I need to
save her now.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
I was thinking about how that's kind of her whole
show exactly. Is Buffy and Willow are both so badass
and capable in their own ways that then it falls
on Cordelia and Xander to be like, and you're the
two idiots who constantly needs saving. I think that's fun.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
I think it's fun too, And I also think that
you know, just because you know she does she needs
all this saving doesn't mean that she's not like, you know,
kick ass in her own way. She like definitely adds
something to this group, but she, you know, she just
finds herself in these situations, and God is she beautiful.
She was tied to the table and I was like,

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I felt the nightly urge to go in there and
slay a dragon for her.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah, I love her and I something I'd like about
this episode is I like the shipping wars of it all. Obviously,
the EPP's family is the dark heart of this episode,
and the EPP's family is the twisted what love can
make you do and how something that can be so
pure and beautiful can also be so evil and corrupt. Yeah,

(27:30):
and then around that, like inciliary to that is just
the fun shipping wars of Buffy and Angel are mad
at each other, and Cordelia is seeing if like maybe
she can get with Angel because he's met at Buffy,
and Xander is seeing if maybe Buffy is turning on Angel,
and then Willow is just trying to see if Xander

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will ever notice that she's there at all and all
giving Ratrud mcfunz's realness. Yes, exactly, notice me e Xander,
and all of that is very fun, and then I
love at the end, Xander is the one to save Cordelia.
He's the one to get the table out of there,
get her unstrapped, and Cordelia comes up to him, he's

(28:14):
her knight and shining armor, and she is so like,
oh my gosh, Xander, I'm just so grateful. Is there
anything I could do? And Xander is so locked in
on Buffy that he's like, hey, actually, will and I
were having a conversation right now and fully rebuffs her.
And then Trinton Willow and is like, so why can
we not get romantic partners?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
It's funny too. I think that harkens back to something
that he says earlier in the episode, where he's OK.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, yeah, sorry not to cut you off. I know
you got it. Turn it down. I was gonna paraphrase
if I can find where I wrote it down. He
says to Buffy. People don't love what's right in front
of them. They want the unattainable, the dream. They want
what they can't have. Mm hmm, finish your thought.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
I just mean, like, I don't know that he's ever
expressed that he wants Cordelia, But I mean, like, why
wouldn't he She's the most beautiful girl in the world.
But like, here's this girl saying Xander, hey, would you
ever like to like I I can if you ever
need anything, like I'm here for you, like you know,

(29:20):
And he's like he can't even see what's right in
front of him. He can't see he's got this beautiful
girl covered in sid.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I like that line a lot because Xander in that
moment is very clearly talking. He is like pretending. I
believe he's like pretending to be talking about the EP situation. Yeah,
and why like none of these girls, none of these
girls that died are good enough?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Oh no, no, totally.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
But he actually is trying to talk to Buffy, saying
like you just want Angel because he's unattainable, but you
should want me because I'm right here. And it works
so well because he does not realize he's talking about
him himself. He wants Buffy because Buffy is unattainable, and
he is fully unaware that Willow is right in front
of him. And also at the end of this episode,

(30:09):
Cordelia is right in front of him. I just think
it's fun that all of these characters are falling into
this same trap. Yeah, I agree, But if any of
them like took stock of their surroundings, there is another
option who is fully into them, and yet they are
chasing the impossible dream. They're all living there don Quixote fantasy.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Seriously, Oh my god, it's so fun. Can we also
talk about Angel really quick? His jacket, He's a bage jacket.
He's being so fucking annoying to me in this episode.
I can't even express a A man sees one sexy
dance at a club, goes absolutely free, go crazy, and

(30:50):
treats a girl like shit for a month.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
When he said to her, dance is a bit of
a loose term, I would say with almost made it with.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
I was like, okay, dude, okay, dude, celibate, I'm in
cell ass weird can't do a girl dance. Jesus, No, seriously,
you're just I mean that song took over. It was
a sexual awakening for me. So I understand what he's saying,
but it's also like there was room for Jesus, you
freaking weirdo, You freaking weirdo in cell Hello, he's fucking

(31:27):
the fucking ship out of me. He just like his
he is so whiny and rude in this episode. And
he's also like like, you know, Xander, I'm just you know,
I guess I'm jealous of Xander because he can like
be with you throughout the day and he's just you know,
he's just a kid, you know. And it's like, Okay,

(31:48):
you weirdo. This girl is the same age as him.
She even calls it out. She's like, are you saying
that I'm a kid like he's a kid? Are you
saying I'm a kid too? And he's like, no, it's different. Okay, hell,
are you finking kidding? Weirdo? You're telling on your on yourself,
telling on yourself, weirdo? In cell gross No, every time
that he was like a psycho perv.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, psycho pervert.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
He was pissing me off in his beige ass jacket, like,
oh my god, where's your where's your hugo, Boss Duster,
you look ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
You look ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
No.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Serious, every time that he would say something that was like,
I mean jealous, Xander's just some kid, and then he's
like wacky, like a two hundred and forty one year
old being jealous of a junior in high school. I
went telling on yourself, telling.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
On yourself, telling on yourself, freaking all.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Those things that you view Xanders, that's buffy there at
the same age.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
No psycho perverb seeing me off, psycho pervert. You just like,
oh my god, he's like a special kind of fucking
whiny asshole in this. It was.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
No, he was pissing me off too. I was really
he was really mixing.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Shut up.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Oh my gosh, it's awesome, Like you said.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
It's us no fun there. He's such a loser.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
He's two hundred and forty one years old. When these
little when these little teenagers are being petty with each other,
I'm like, hell, yeah, teenagers, you go be teenagers. When
this geriatric.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Man, oh my god, grandpa.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
When this octogenarian three times over is being petty with
the teenagers, I say, get you to a home. What
are you doing out of your bed?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Grandpa, great great great grandpa, great great grandpa, dusty ass,
the old man. I hate him because that's the thing is,
he's so sexy to me, and like when he's like
saving Cordelia didn't even realize.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Telling on yourself. Tell you his son is in.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
My eyes anyway, he is sexualy, he's sexy to me.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Is very good looking, and the whole character is like
written to be sexy.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, of course, like I am, I'm a human being
with a vagina in a polls like of course. Anyway.
Like I liked when he like saved Cordelia, and you know,
it's just when he's like like bullying Buffy, I'm like,
oh my god, you seriously bug me. I'm just like me,
and he's like he's got like two notes. He's got

(34:32):
two notes. It's like sexy protector and pissing me off,
Freako psycho pervert.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, and then like grumpy broodie.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah. Watching Buffy again as an adult, I'm very much like,
oh my gosh, these Twilight Zone Monster of the Week episodes,
there's so much going on here that I didn't realize
as a kid. I was missing so much. I just
my brain wasn't farmed yet, and yet it was formed
enough to know that Angel was an annoying ass kill
Joy killed right about him.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Then even this girl can't even go to work without
lying to her weird, old fucking boyfriend. She can't even
do her job. She can't protect this fucking town because
he's doing busy fucking annoying her.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Because he's gonna show up at her work and just
hem and haw and kick his feet and go what
was me? And she's like, sorry, Grandpa, I have to
save the fucking planet.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Seriously, it's like pick up a sticky, lazy ass killing
your own kind. And she so like, I mean, of
course she's obsessed with him. Of course she is. This
man is like grooming her. Yeah, I like, you know, like,
of course, and he's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
She's a human being with a vagina in the poles.
Let's be real.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Who just mean, like, you know, like she loses truck
of her stake, she can't even do her job, and
she's got school in the morning. It's like, please this
girl alone. I'm calling the police, just kidding, Escotta, Escatta,

(36:15):
cops are dumb asses.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
I won't be calling the cops.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
But I will be calling mister Giles. Okay, maybe you
can kiss him.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Weirdo now talking about Xander and Xander and Giles, Angela
and Giles hooking up. Yeah, I feel like Giles is
way too good for him. No, I'm actually not really.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
It's also like, who want to walk with Jenny Giles? Giles. Oh,
let's bring it back to Jenny Calendar.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
I'm Jenny and Giles. I sincerely am like, this is
my OTP, the best couple we've ever had. Your children
are going to be the hottest, coolest kids on Earth
on Earth. That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Is like, oh, I know, they're so beautifully balanced.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
They they both are stunning stunning. Also, she is is
so like sexy, smoothly confident, and then he is so
soft spoken, smart and kind of like sticking the mud

(37:14):
is the wrong word, but you know, like that charming,
that charming way of being Like like they exactly what
you said. They balance each other out so well. They
they're like Vultron. They get together and you're like, this
is actually the two of united is the perfect person
who's ever existed.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Totally.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Vultron, I think is a Transformers thing or like a
power Rangers.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
It's when they all like sit on each other's shoulders
and they become.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Mighty power Rangers.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Sure, exactly, exactly, No, I am really really into them. Okay,
So Vultron is its own thing.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Okay, what Okay?

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Wait a second, don't look at the AI thing. What
is vultron I what is it called When the Power
Rangers unite vulturem was on TV in the eighties, I
don't know, and it it is like a group of
pilots they join their ships together and it creates like

(38:14):
a mega robot. So I am my mind's image was correct.
I was just thinking that it was Power Rangers.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Okay, great. Back to Jenny and Jenny even when she's
talking about like like of course I'm not going to
miss the football game, like talking about how much she
loves sports. I was like, oh my god, this is
the perfect woman to me. I need her so bad
and like and then him like throwing it back to

(38:46):
her and being like, hey, if Americans are so tough,
why do they have to put on sixty pounds of
gear to play glorified rugby? And she's like, oh my god,
you know one thing about sports, thank god? Like and
then Xandren would interrupting them like while they're having their
like special moment, I just I ship them so fucking hard,

(39:07):
and then her being the one to be like, well,
when you take me out of my second date on
our second date, it'll be good, and he's like, oh
my god, a date. She's like, oh you noticed that? Interesting?

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Weirdly, can finish your thoughts, Harry, No, go ahead, Oh
I thank you. That has stuck with me. Yeah for
twelve years. I didn't remember anything else about this episode.
But when I think of Jenny Calendar, one of the
top things I think of is her mentioning that she
and Giles are dating, and then him being like, way
did you say this was a date? In her going

(39:37):
you notice that?

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah? Girl, Oh my god, I'm a human being with
a pulson of vagina like she's I'm obsessed with her.
I'm obsessed with her.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
I Also something I think why the teachers in this
show work so well is the they are not attempting
to be cool, Like Jenny is cool as shit, but
I don't get the vibe that she actually cares if
these kids think she's cool just being herself. And also

(40:16):
their relationship with the students. It is the students who
are treating them like they're best friends, and the adults
are constantly like a teacher like I. This Xander and
Giles relationship is so funny to me because Xander yes
and Xander like literally talks down to Giles like ribs him,

(40:41):
like Giles is his younger brother, and Giles is like,
I'm literally forty years old. Please me a lot. There's
the moment when he and Buffy walk into the library
while Giles is practicing his date and one I find
that scene so charming because both Buffy and Xander are
making fun of Giles the whole time, and Giles is

(41:02):
so embarrassed, and Giles is so like, please don't talk
to me about this. I am an adult. We should
not be having this conversation.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
She's kind of taking their advice.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
After after they find out, like oh, it's gonna be
with Miss Calendar and like good for you, blah blah blah,
and then Xander goes so genieds to tell you about
the facts of life. I agree, funny, and then Willow
exactly what you said. Willow and Xander walking in on
Jenny and Giles's date and then just being like, oh

(41:34):
are these seats taken? Sitting down in front of them,
Willa like grabs a snack out of Giles's hand and
they just PLoP down or hanging out with their best friends,
Miss Calendar and mister Giles and he's like.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Get me away from these kids right now. And it's
so funny too, like you know, he has love for them,
but it's also like he's so sick of the so
sick of them. And I genuinely, genuinely I think that
that keeps this dynamic so fun and fresh and like approachable,
especially from like a young person perspective as well, because

(42:07):
I think about, like, you know, I think about our gai.
I think about mister Schuster and how badly he wants
to be cool and how badly he wants the kids
to accept him, and they're making fun of him rather
than like a you know, he's like you know, like
they make fun of Giles. But I mean, like.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
You can tell you can tell that Will cares so
much about what his students think of him. Yeah, And
you can tell that Giles cares so much about his
students well being and he could not and about their
opinion of him. In fact, he wishes they thought less
of him, like it makes him, yeah, the regard to

(42:49):
which they hold him, and like, that's what makes that
relationship so compelling is the kids are the ones that
are like, oh my gosh, Giles are best friends and
Giles is like, this is actually kind of inappropriate. You
are my students, whereas Will in Glee is the one
who's like, we're all friends. We're like buddies in this classroom,
like I.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
See you as my brother in my peer where it's
like yeah, actually.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
No, which I remember in high school the teachers that
I was closest to and the teachers that I was
fondest of. We're the teachers that I knew really cared
about me, but also had an air of like I
am your teacher, you are my student. And I had
teachers that I kind of had the Xander relationship with ya,
where I would like tease them and poke fun of them,

(43:32):
and I would do it because I could tell that
they didn't like it, and I thought that was funny.
And then I had other teachers that were like mister
Schuster that would try and joke with us all the
time and would try to chair and I was like, you,
I literally I have I have one teacher in mind
that I am thinking of that I would talk to.
His name was I actually.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Hate this man, Oh my God, speak on it.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
And I would always be like, this man is such
a fucking loser, Like I am. Actually, I'm probably gonna
bleep it out. I'm gonna be honest, that's the patron exclusive.
But I was like, he cares, and I fully am
the seventeen year old in the class, and I was like,
he cares so much about whether or not these seventeen
year olds think he's cool that I am embarrassed for him.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
It's almost giving kind of angelie, like, why do you
hear so much about what the seventeen year old thinks
of you?

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Freaking yesh, fucking angel loser in cell weirdo.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Too.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
My story about this teacher is the time that he
would always, like in the middle of his lesson, go
on like his type five of course, be like and
here's like some funny thing I observed at school today.
It was so fucking annoying. And he would also be
really buddy buddy with the cool kids, really try and
like pale around with them. Oh my gosh. Anyways, he

(44:56):
was going off and off and off about like some
bullshit to make everyone laugh, and then a kid raised
his hand and goes, sorry, can we get back to
the lesson please, And this teacher, a full adult, says
to the student, that's kind of a bitchy comment. I said, sir,
that's a kid and you're an adult teacher.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Oh, I get him fired. That is so annoying to me.
It's like, also, why do you care so much about
what these children think of you that you're gonna like
also participate in bullying. Fucking freak. Yeah, hey, you should
bleep that out because I want to facebook bully him.

(45:46):
Let's talk about the I remember. Okay, so I watched
this episode pretty recently in my furious rewatch of season
two and season three, and I always.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Make rewatch season two.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
We're actively we're doing it right now. Like actually, I
just keep we're doing it right now.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
I keep remembering episodes and I actually can't wait multiple
months to get to that. I have to watch it now.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
But it's also like even next episode.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Oh girl, I'm watching school hard tonight. Tonight, I was like,
I can't watch don't we talk about It's like I can't.
I have to like have some assembly required. I can't
cross those wires. Yeah, but as soon as we've recorded this,
I'm watching school.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
You guys, you're about to be sick of me. No spoilers,
but I mean, okay, so I always mix this character
up with a different character who was similar in vibe.
If you catch my draft no spoilers, I won't tell you.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
You always mix who up Chris Darryl, Darryl Oh Mama, Yeah,
I think Darryl's more compelling.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
No, I agree, And that's what I say. I mean,
we'll get there, We'll get there. But I mean, like anyway,
but I just was so surprised at how compelling this
episode was. I even love like Cordelia, like hanging on
Xander's arm and being like, can you take me? I
just I would love to get to an episode that

(47:19):
I think is even remotely bad. Like I think all
of it is good.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Sorry, and I do think for horror fans, but you
and me are both horror fans. Yes, this show is
just such a love letter to the genre, and it
is a love letter to all of horror.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yeah, it is a horror Frankenstein.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yes, it is a love letter to like, highbrow, psychological horror.
And it's also even more so a love letter to schlocky, cheap,
silly horror, yes, which I find. And I think there
is an artistry to that that people don't appreciate, and
so I like that Buffy is lovingly lampooning these tropes

(48:05):
in these movies and then showing that there is a
depth to them. Going we are going to do like
the schlockiest what is the word I'm looking for? Corny
is not the word. I think camp is not the word.
And the word is leaving and the word is getting
out of train and the train is leaving the station.
And we're going to move on from the word. But

(48:26):
we are going to do the like schlockiest, silliest, campiest
Frankenstein episode. And yet at the core of it, there
is going to be this broken family and we are
going to examine we are going to examine how grief
turns love into something poisonous. YEP, I think that's amazing.

(48:47):
I love that about this show. I think it is
so fascinating, and because it is campy and silly, it
always stays entertaining and fun while you're examining all of
these deep, kind of depressing things. I just eat it up.
I think it's a blast.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
I agree. I agree. I was like almost disappointed with
how much I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Sometimes I worry, but I'm like, are people listening to
this podcast, are they rolling their eyes being like Okay,
like I worry that we're so up Buffy's ass.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Okay, sorry, we.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Just trying to critical the best show ever. But you guys,
it's the best show ever. Like I have to tell you.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I mean, you can't. After the Doer, Oh, oh my god,
I sear so excellent. This episode was so fun. Or
when Giles was like idiot and the Buffy goes, don't
call don't call them idiot because people don't like when
you call them an idiot. It turns them off. And

(49:52):
then Xander goes, I don't know, it turns me on.
That was me being like, I actually I know too
much about the showrunner. Oh I don't know that the
show winner didn't write it, but I mean, like it
just I'm just trying to be silly.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
No, no, I go. I was literally the reason I
had that reaction is I was about to be like
and I felt seen by that.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
No I was gonna ask. I was like, do you relate?
I do like degradation, oh.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Not red, like humiliation, kink territory I find and this
is also a way that I flirt with people back, No,
I hear you. I find like the way that Jenny
talks to Giles in their first episode together, which the
talks down to them to him, I like find that
like sexy and fun. No, yeah, totally like talk to
someone not to be like hey, you dumb, ugly bitch,

(50:52):
but like just.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
I think some people do like that.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
But no, some people do. And I'm not here to
king shame. No, I'm not in that.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
I'm too insecure. That will make me cry. I will say,
you're right.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
I read a book the other day, a romance novel Hello,
where the one person called the other person an ugly cow,
and I said, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
No, but I do enjoy No, that's a bridge too far,
that's actually a multiple bridges too far. That's you, you
crossed in two different countries. But I am into a
little like a little bit of like talking down I
think is fun. Sure, yeah, do you feel the same way?

Speaker 2 (51:38):
No, I actually treated like a princess.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
See. I don't if if someone I get really being
put on a pedestals to turn off for me, oh no,
because then I immediately my immediate thought with that is
you don't know who I am, and when you find out,
you're gonna be disappointed. So as soon as someone is
like Oh my gosh, I think you're amazing. I think
you're the best person ever met and like, so actually
we have to stop talking because pretty soon the other

(52:03):
sho's going to drop and it's going to be okay.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
So that's interesting, okay interesting. So you much prefer someone
being like, not me, no word, but I know what
you mean. No, I know what you mean. Did you
see uh Renee Rap talk about.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
How I've seen her before?

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah, you've seen her talk about talking about how tower
Bird was like bullying her when she first met her,
and how Renee was like, no, I'm in love with you,
like on Amy Poeler's podcast, So something like that.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
No, I love that, Yes, literally exactly.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
There's something there's an there's a level of like confidence
to it where it's like in like smart, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
It's the Jenny Giles dynamic is kind of the exact level.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
No, I love that.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Yeah. Yeah, And I also do in my mind, I
am which time at a podcast, Amy Poler always says
that in her mind, teasing is a love language m hm.
And that is how I feel. I if I'm teasing someone,
I'm never saying you ugly cow, like if I'm teasing
someone it is saying I respect you and I also

(53:12):
feel safe with you. Yes, yes, yes, I know that
you know I don't actually feel this way. And then
I know that the things you say back to me
you don't actually feel that way I do. There is
like a safety to it.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Most people don't know how to tease. I think people
go so far as.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
To no, no, no, no no. I want to hear this thought,
and I think this is a very good thought. It
just dawned on me that we are talking about Buffy
Season two, episode two somesembly required having this conversation.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Yeah, I line that literally relates to what we're saying.
I feel like this directly correlate. It's also like, hello,
welcome to Slay, a queer Buffy podcast. We're going to
talk about being like, you know, hello, I'm a human
being with my heart, with a heart and av Dina Okay,
I don't have to tease. It goes from something that

(54:03):
is like obviously playful to ugly cow. I think too
quickly sometimes for people like I think, there has to
be a level of respect and a level of safety
there for it to work. Yeah, and I don't think
a lot of people know how to do it. So
I've like, I'm like into some of that, but I
feel like in instances where it's happened, it's like, actually,

(54:24):
you're just being mean to me right now, like in
a way that I don't feel good about.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
And you also can't you can't come on, you can't
come out with the level five teas. You start with
level one tease.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
No, it's the it's deed Avanti's it's the art of
the teas. It's burlesque.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
You're so right, comes out and she goes, here's my breast.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
No, exactly, she's got to first. No, seriously, yes, exactly. Right.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Teasing is verbal burlesque, you know it is, And you
have to keep them wanting more. You can't give it
all out immediately because you can't just go abrasive and gross.
You can't start with you gotta start with the glove
to start with, while you're really obsessed with me, aren't you.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
No? And I like that.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
No, I'm into that.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah, But personally, if I had to choose, I'd rather
have a big praise, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Yeah, and you praise me and I say bye, Hey
see you.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
We're two different people. Look at us. The spectrum, The two.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Genders, The two genders, Praise and teas.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Praise and teas. Oh my god, well, welcome to our
Buffy podcast. I hope you guys are having fun. Did
you like that? Did you like that? You guys are
just real excessed with us? Oh anyway, ah, where do
we go from here?

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Where do we go.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Here?

Speaker 1 (55:52):
I don't know. That's like, I don't know what that
song is. It's been stuck in my head. Something a
trope that is on the show A lot that I
clocked in this episode. Mister Chris Epps, you are one
of many. This show loves a nerdy, lonely boy with
a weak will being pressured into killing someone and going, wait,

(56:15):
that's I don't want to kill.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
I don't want to kill.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
We had David being pressured by Mullock and I wrote
about you Jane, going wait, that's a bridge too far.
I'm not gonna kill Buffy. We had Morgan in The
Puppet Show being pressured by Sid going wait, that's a
bridge too far. I'm not gonna kill Buffy. We have
Chris Epps in some of some Ode Required saying wait,
that's a bridge too far. I'm not gonna kill Cordelia.

(56:39):
This show loves a weak willed nerd.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
They do, and also like teen boys are weak world
and they step the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
You need you need to buck up, and you need
to kill that girl. I know. Not let you met,
he said, t moore than we built And that was
me bubbing the dead Cordelia decapitated. Come on, there's a mission.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Oh that's just like so not what I meant. It
just so.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
You're saying to you to say no to the demon
before it gets to that point. I get you.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
I like that so much. That was so funny. Oh god,
that's so good.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Have in my notes, and I don't know if I
stand by this. One of my notes just says, why
is Darryl standing like an old queen.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Standing? He's got like a no I'm sorry to this actor.
He's got the old ship. Well, he's got a wicked
interior uh, and a wicked anterior tilt pelvic tilt, and
a limp breast. And it keeps me like, he like,

(58:02):
where's my girlfriend? He might huh. I was like, Diva,
I know you, I am you. You cant ful of me?
You can put over my eyes.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
My god, he's gonna tuck his pelvis. Now he's gonna
pay for it.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
You're straight with that pelvis. I don't think so, honey, No, no, no, no,
it is a very minor. Oh it's only like two shots.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
But I locked it.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
He and you're killing it today.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
He had old queen energy.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
It's also like that man was not just in high
school last year. He was so old.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Oh, diva, he was thirty two years ago. He said,
I got held back. I got held.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
At Super Senior on the reel, like he must have
been a really good football player. They were holding him back.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Seriously, he said, I'm the insult old ass angel of
Super Seniors. I'm in here for Rema totally.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Oh it's giving vocal adrenaline. Oh my god. That was
seriously so funny. I and I like lost fore. I
was good luck, good luck editing around that.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Hey, I'll leave it all in.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Yeah, you'll cut it down. Oh that was wow. I
even tried to find how old he was. I couldn't
find it.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Oh the actor, Yeah he was born in sixty nine. Whoa,
so he was like twenty eight. I think it's twenty
eight is crazy, Okay.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
I guess that's not too crazy. That's like, you know,
Chrisma carpenter Age.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yeah, they're perfect for each other.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
They're perfect for each other. I was literally like, get
away from her.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Old, he's in Veronica Mars. I'm telling you the Veronica
Mars and Buffy. It's a circle. It's a circle. They're very,
very similar, just that Veronica Mars it's human criminals instead
of demons.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
And also she's she's defeating them with just her brains,
not her brain.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
That show is so stinkin' good. Anyways, this episode, what
are your other big.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Thoughts other good thoughts that I haven't said? So? Like
I said earlier, I feel like this episode does a
really good job showing you these fully fledged, like bad guys,
especially in terms of this family, and you know, showing
us maybe their motive of what they've got going on,
but also reminding us that these are still vitains and

(01:00:45):
they're still causing harm to others, like this mom, these
two boys like and you know Darryl as well, Sorry
my throw is shredded from scream laughing. But even Buffy,
like they never forget to tell us like that these
people are still villains and they're still causing harm like

(01:01:06):
Buffy even says something liked the effect of like anyone
who is like ripping apart young women like this, like
doesn't get like a say in, oh, yeah, you know
what I mean that line? What's that line? Do you
remember the rest of it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Willow. Willow first of all, is like incredibly empathetic over
I get it. She's like friends with Chris. She she's
being like, don't be too hard on him, don't be
too hard on him, and it's like Mary, He's yeah,
And Buffy says something along the lines of anyone who
is chopping up the bodies of young girls as far
beyond the benefit of the doubt, like something, and she

(01:01:45):
says it, and she's so pissed and angry when she
says it, And I was obsessed with that choice.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
No, I agree, And I think that those two things
holding hands where it's we have Willow really like holding
so much empathy for these people and Buffy being like, no,
actually they're still doing They're still causing harm, and they're
still like disfiguring these like unearthing these young women from
their graves and their resting places and then going to

(01:02:11):
kill my friend Cordelia, Like I was obsessed. I think
that that those two things both existing in this episode.
I see in the writing of this episode, I see
in the directing all of it. Like, I think this
episode does a really good job showing you all the
facets of what's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
And I think for Willow and Buffy, it's both of them.
It's a little personal. For Willow it is this is
my friend Chris. I saw what his family went through
when his brother died. While I don't agree with what
he's doing, I also know how hard this all was
for him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
And for Buffy, she mentions she's all horrified. There's one
moment where she's worried, like have they gone through with it?
And she's like, is that girl somewhere out there right now?
That poor girl?

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Buffy is someone who knows what it's like to have
a life thrown upon you that you did not ask for. Yeah,
And I think she is very empathetic towards whoever this
girl is going to be that is just going to
wake up and suddenly have this life where she is
a zombie and it's trapped in this room and can't

(01:03:20):
do anything about it. And Buffy is essentially trying to
save this girl from Buffy's own face.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Yeah, and like these fucking freako pervs, like building a
woman from multiple young girls. It is so disgusting and
like so it is like deeply upsetting, like you know,
this girl is going to and like Buffy says, like

(01:03:45):
this poor poor girl is not going to have autonomy
over her life anymore. She's going to be made to
be a sex object for this other man. She doesn't
get a choice. Those girls didn't get a choice what
happened with their body. Their body is going to be
like like hurt and like manipulated, and it's honestly disgusting

(01:04:06):
when you like like think about it. And I appreciate
so much Buffy bringing it back to that where it's like, sure,
we can have empathy for these people, but they are
doing real harm. And just because those girls can't like
maybe advocate for themselves anymore doesn't mean that they're not
of value and they don't deserve rest like it actually, like,
actually I'm getting pissed off, so shout out to shout

(01:04:29):
out to this episode. I think it really there's it's
it is deeply colorful in terms of what's going on,
and I appreciate it and shout out to Buffy for
throwing it back in their face.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Yeah, and then I just we kind of already talked
about it, So I don't know how much there is
to say, but I just want to highlight it again.
I find the Epps family so tragic. I think the
inclusion of Chris and Darryl's mom is so central to hell,
helping you understand where Chris is coming from, Yeah, and

(01:05:06):
kind of see the Willow side of things. Yeah, Like
you said, I think that the show does a very
good job of showing everything that is wrong with what
they're doing, and then also showing what this family has
been through.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Yes, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
I just I truly don't know if I have anything
else to add about it, but I just find it
so haunting how the whole family essentially lost their life
when Daryl died. The mom just watches videos of Darryl
all day, and I guess I don't really, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Yeah, it's like pretty deep, it's really upsetting. But I
also think that this episode is you know, it runs
the gambit of emotions too, where it's like deeply, deeply,
deeply sad and upsetting and then also like funny and
you know, and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
It's ending with Buffy and Angel reconciling and Angel apologizing
and them getting back together and them going out of
the Lover's Walk and the camera pans down and then
the camera pans down to Daryl's grave and it does

(01:06:20):
a good job. Darryl is I mean, Chris is like
the villain that we empathize with. Yeah, Darryl is mostly
just bad in this whole episode, but we have these
moments that remind us that while he's very much in
the wrong, he died, he lost everything, and he's just
trying to hold onto any sense of life left. We

(01:06:41):
have that moment of him.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Yes, did he choose to come back, Yes, he was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Forced to come back. He had this force on him
as well. And we have that moment of him under
the bleachers watching the football game, and then and his
big thing isn't like I need to get laid. His
big thing is like, you promised I wouldn't be alone. Yes,
that I would not be alone. And then we end
the episode and he like is so desperate to not
be alone that he stays with the body when the

(01:07:08):
lab is burning down. He would rather die in the
fire than be alone, and then the episode ends with
Buffy and Angel reunited, no longer alone, to Darryl's grave
and we know that Daryl ultimately died alone.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
I think it's so compelling. I think it's episode rocks.
I think we're smart. You're dumb? Yeah, where right, You're wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I really don't. I would love to see what people
don't like about it. I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
I thought it was I thought it was spooky. I
think it was probably maybe the spookiest episode we've had yet.
Eric singing my girl as he works on the body
is sick, fucking freak, psycho pervert. It was crazy. This
episode was awesome, so awesome heck yeah, well wow, isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
That so fun? You can? I just love I love
I love episodes like this because I feel like I
felt so many different ways about it, you know, like
I felt mad in moments where I was supposed to
feel mad, I felt excited, I felt I don't know,
it just it feels good to watch something and feel
so many things, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
I just feel like not to be stuffun from SNL.
But this episode has everything.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Yeah, this episode has everything.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
It has a clear thesis statement, it has laughs. It
has horror. It's really gross and creepy at times, it's
very light and funny. At times, it's examining. I feel
like I'm just talking in circles. But I just feel
like it's a very clean cut story and they are

(01:08:47):
doing a lot in forty five minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
I thought it was great. Hey, shout out to this episode,
and that's some assembly required.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Operation Cordelia has come to it. I'm glad they didn't
get my girl and rest in peace of those three cheerleaders.
They're not going to be included on the kill count.
And thank god we didn't before we met him. Yeah,
and thank god. I also thank god we didn't see
like the Frankenstein bride body. Oh that would have I

(01:09:20):
couldn't have handled that personally, not on my TV show.
The kill count. We've got two here. So Buffy kills
that vampire in the beginning, and then Darryl ends up
passing in the fire.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Which brings our season two kill count up to eight
and our overall kill count up to fifty one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Whoa worst part time and what was your worst part
of this episode?

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
The whole thing I was kind of I don't know.
I wasn't really into this episode. It didn't further the
plot much. It felt like kind of a waste of time.
My worst part of this episode is that Angel is annoying. Yeah,
but he is not supposed to be. And that's the time,

(01:10:13):
Like these other characters when they're being annoying, I'm like,
and and goal accomplished. You've annoyed me, but we're supposed
to be charmed by Angel. I feel like and yet
I keep being like, yeah, you're telling on yourself. You're
two hundred and forty one years old, jealous of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
A seventeen year old exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
You're gross and weird. Yeah, so Angel being annoying and
Buffy deserves better. That's my worst part of the episode.
What about you?

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Well, okay, my worst part is and I don't think
this is a bad part of the episode, but it's
still my worst part, because fuck this motherfucker, Eric, you're
fucking freak. Get therapized fucking quick because you're fucking nasty.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Do you get therapy? He's in the yearbook.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
I hate you. Yeah, well, good fucking freak. That's where
it responded, what's your best part?

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
There was so much on this episode. I liked but
I think my best part. Oh my gosh, not to
talk about her again, Mama Epps. Something about those two
brief scenes we see of her was so dreary to me,
And it specifically was dreary because there was nothing supernatural
about it. It was just real life. This woman is

(01:11:33):
so deep in her grief that she has completely lost
connection with the world around her and what that must
mean for her living son. I loved that scene. I
thought that was the most tragic thing I've ever seen.
What's your best part?

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I want to say, Cordelia, but I'm going to say,
want to rock with Jenny. Jenny fucking Calendar. You're the
baddest bitch in town. I would go to for you.
I'd print out your picture, I'd put it in a locket,
I'd kiss it every night. You are my true fucking North.
I would do anything for you. Welcome to Sleigh, a

(01:12:15):
straight buffy podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
I wrote in my notes, I wrote, those poor straight
boys and gay girls at the school, Oh, hear me out.
Maybe gay boys too, Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Hey, she trance. We are all united under thirsting for
Jenny Calendar. If if she was my teacher, if she
was my teacher, I'd have to transfer. I love her well,
good thing I'm not a teenager anymore. But also like

(01:12:49):
in general her and Giles is so sweet to me.
I really ship them really hard. And I this is
me praying on my I'm praying at the foot of
my bed every night on a shooting star that they
see me from across the bar and love my vibe. Please,
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Thanks thanks for liking me, making me laugh so much.
You're a real comedian. You were doing it tight five.

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Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
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