BtVS S2E4 Inca Mummy Girl

A new student can really change the dynamic of the friend group, especially when they are centuries old and have to suck the life out of people to keep living.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Who I went on a date, and I ended up
running into every bitch I know. I'm telling you. I
ran into my sister, her husband. I ran into a
former boss, I ran into a current coworker. I ran
into an estranged cousin. All of this on like a
third date with this person, and I seriously was like,
I guess I know everyone in town. I also ran

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into other people I knew At a different date with
this sane person, we went to a concert. I ran
into my best friend, her husband, her dad, who is
like my dad's best friend, and so it was crazy.
And then we ran into like my friends of friends
who I'm like at parties with sometimes, and they were
like Lena and Lena, and I was like, oh my god,
and I like forgot their names. These are people I've

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seen probably fifty times in the last like year, like
I see them quite frequently. I fucking forgot their names.
So I was like, oh my god, it's so good
to see you. Oh my god. I'll never bounce back
from this. So luckily we went to the farmer's market
the next week, and all.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
These people's names, I can list all their names name,
I swear recovering Gleek presents.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
A queer Buffy podcast. Hello everyone, my name is Lena,
my name is Ia, and welcome to Slash, a GREUW
Buffy podcast. We are happy to have a group. I know, literally,

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who would you be in the acapella group? Oh, I
already know you'd be Ben Platt, going, I got the magic,
like the the one tenor they bring out for the
big solo.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Okay, I was trying. I was very I asked you
a question.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I immediately answered. What my favorite kind of question.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
It was you being like, first of all, the concept
that there are archetypes and an a cappella group beyond
like percussionist and voice.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Moment there, I literally are, Well, there's like.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Vocal parts, like, yeah, I would be the tenor because
that's my voice, and.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Then there's the base, and then there's the percussions. Well yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'm not going to go into a choir and play
the bass. I can't sing bass period. No.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
No, So yeah, I figured it out for you.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
And who would you be the soprano?

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, yeah, I'm the one woman in Pentatonics.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, actually that's very true. I don't remember her name, Diva.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
But she's holding it down she's a book.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I think about them a lot. They're still like very successful,
I should very well, literally, but it's so interesting, such.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
A literally on Dancing with the Stars this season.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Scott literally was at the Culture Awards. I saw his
face in the audience.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yea, literally.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Scott literally played Lucas Gabriel's gay husband. In an episode
of High School Musical The Musical.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
The series, Scott and his husband pretended like or the
Lost Culture says Instagram said that that was Matt and Bowen.
That's his husband where Matt and Bowen.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
But it's such a niche form of entertainment, And to
think about the fact that Pentatonics were mainstream celebrities for
a bit, like that's just so such a bizarre thing
to get back on twelve at least like where I
was living, you could ask any kid at a high

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school have you heard of Pentatonics, and like one out
of five would say yes, yeah, And that's insane for
an a cappella group.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
No, absolutely, the rise and fall of acapella would happen
so fast in Pentatonics.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
I don't know because of Ryan Murphrey exactly period.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I hope Scott Hoying wrote him a thank you note.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Oh it's so funny too. I mean the thing is too.
A lot of their music, a lot of their audios,
especially like on Instagram or TikTok, like go viral pretty consistently,
I don't know. Like I'm also like a big into
the indie scene. I love me some Fleet Foxes. Like
nobody knows the Fleet Fox's version of the White Winter Hymnal.

(04:15):
Everyone knows the Pentatonics version and everyone loves it, like
they make beautiful music.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah. I remember when I was a Mormon missionary. We
the only music we were allowed to listen to. We
could listen to like classical music. We could listen to
any music that was the Tabernacle choir singing, or we
could listen to any version of a song that could

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be found in the Hymnal.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
And there I thought, you're just gonna tell me Anya
Akabella song. It's like, yeah, Talkabella is randomly Christian adjacent
as well.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
It it's genuinely But there were some Panatonics Christmas songs
I was throwing.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yes as too, remember Crystal Save Yoa's mona Christmas Day
just so with.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Son with some of them, this is not in the
Mormon hymnal, but like Christmas songs were a lot more
lenient the Pentatonics version of Mary did you know, Oh
my God, of course, oh my gosh. I would like
pretend to exercise in the mornings. We were supposed to
exercise every morning, and usually what that meant for me
is I would do like ten sit ups and then
just lay on the ground for twenty minutes.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Oh, I mean, that's that's corpse pos.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
That's that's courspose. I don't know, girl, I don't do you.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I don't know. I'm sorry, I'm wrong. But someone told
me once about corpus pose that it's the hardest in
all of yoga because you it because a part of
corpse pose. And I'm literally pulling this from like one
yoga class ever, so maybe I should stop myself while
on my head. But to lay there, you have to
be like okay with your accept that death is going
to come, and like you have to like kind of
accept death and be okay with it, like that's part

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of it. I'm pulling this out of my ass, baby.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Cut No, all the yogis are blowing up, and I
believe that that's the purpose of corpus pose. Is that
the way that I do it? When I take yoga class,
I'm like, h finally, up break, Finally I accept that
a nap is going to come.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Single yoga class I've ever taken in my life. Every
time we get to corpse pose, I hear like three
people snoring. I think a few times. But it's so nice.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, it's really nice. I love a good cross pose too.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
But you listen to Pentatonics.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I listen to Patonics. I listened to Mary did you know?
And Little Rummer Boy, Yo, Trummer Boy is crazy. They
have a bridge that like oh oh oh, oh oh,
and the next thing comes up, oh oh, and they
just keep building the cord. Yeah, it was really like

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blowing my mind.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
I love that. And this episode is brought to you
by Pentatonics. Everyone vote for Scott when you watch Dancing
with the Stars this year.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Oh, he's one of the stars.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
That's what I said.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I thought. When you said he's on Dancing with the Stars,
I was like, well, of course he always is. I
think I was saying, Derek Cuff, I'm not joking.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
You're kidding.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
They occupy similar space in my brain.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
That's okay. The Mormon in me is so upset me.
You said that.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
The huffs did not mean anything to me growing up.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Oh the huffs mean I can't even get into it,
how much the huffs mean to me? And I mean
that in a negative way. Oh, the huffs be making
me mad for no reason.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
See my opinion of the huffs is I'm not kidding.
I didn't know what Derek Cuff looked like until not
to bring it back to the show. He had a
recurring role on season three of My Schools, the musicle
the series.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
That's so funny. Okay, did you not watch?

Speaker 2 (08:06):
No, I don't want to Dancy with the Stars, which
I actually might start this year because am I actually
thinking of Robert Irwin? I think I am.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Robert Irwin's on No.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, but I felt like there was another celebrity that
was really excited about. But maybe it's literally just Robert Irwin,
but just.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Bro was on that show that was the best season
and she was with Derek Cuff.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Okay, And then I know that Julian Huff really ate
down when she was Sandy and Grease.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
I saw the the scene at.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
The dance She's dancing for her life dance or die
and she said, I'm not. I'm not about to corpse
pose and accept the devil come for me, right.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
And she dance. Something about the huffs makes me mad
in a way that I can't really explain at all,
but they make me mad. There is something about like
a successful Utah person that makes me angry in general

(09:07):
because it's so interesting. I'm like, I'm watching Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City right now. I have never seen
it before, and it's the most glorious television show of
all time. I literally can't even tell you, but I
mean in my mind and growing up here and maybe
even growing up in my small town, I have like
a very and I mean I didn't grow up in
Salt Lake and I didn't grow up in like Provo

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or like in my mind richer parts of Utah. So
in my mind, I'm like Utah is nothing, like no
one who's from here can ever be anything and can
never succeed at all when like even watching like that
show and seeing you know, plenty of success and like
Dancing with the Stars in general, like every American person

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you can probably guess is from Utah. That's just how
it is there anyway. So it's it is a bit
of a mind fuck to see like very rich, very
successful Utaugh people because I'm like, oh my god, I
had like a really specific view of who someone from
Utah is like, and you are not fitting into what

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my childhood brain is like trying to process too.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
It was like, I did not think that this was
an option for me. Now I feel like I'm seeing
through you that it was an option, and I just
never knew. And now I never said that. I didn't
get like.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, why did my parents put me in the ballroom?
I guess I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
No, I'm not. I'm not entirely entirely sure. And even
just their vibe in general is like not my favorite vibe.
And Julian have to blackface one time and I think
I like, hold that over her head hugely. Did you
see that?

Speaker 2 (10:46):
No, as I told you, I knew nothing, nothing necessary.
I know. I still to this day, I know she's
like blonde. I don't know if you put like ten
blonde white women in front of me and I couldn't
get I'm not confident that I could tell you, Miss Julia.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
That's so funny because we were also I was. We
were my family. We were obsessed with the Al Capella
TV show that ran for two or three seasons, the
sing Off obviously, and then everyone who was anyone was watching.
So you think you dance and Dancing on the Stars period, like,
and I still I still keep up with Dancing on
the Stars. I can't help it.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I might start. I like the I like the idea
of the whole nation watching a reality show together and
it's cute. The American idol in me. I need that
feeling of community again.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
And it is cute. I think I do think over
the last couple of years, especially like so many of
the pros genuinely date and marry the stars on the show.
The shipping wars happens crazy because it is you know,
it happens all the time, and like these dancers are
also hooking up with the stars, and because social media
is like a part of it now too, Like I

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like fall for the traps every time and it pisses
me off. Like one of the bachelorettes, I think, Jen Gosh,
I always forget their names and I'm so sorry you don't.
It doesn't matter to you. Why do I care? But
one of the Bachelorettes, she was maybe dating her dance partner,
but like I mostly felt just really like strung along

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and like kind of like Liam Neeson and Pamela Anderson,
they go crazy with the you know, to get you
to vote for them as well. I think they want
you to think they're dating, and so it's like kind
of a frustrating watch sometimes and in a way that I,
you know, the romantic in me falls for that shit
every time.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Yeah, anyway, this time, Pieristar, do you remember in the
classic twenty twelve maybe movie what took When You're Expecting
that The Cameron Diaz.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Matthew Morrison plot is that they met on Dancing with
the Stars basically, and fact, oh, sure, she got pregnant.
He's like one of the dancers. I'm Dancing with the
Stars have a real fitness coast.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yes, yes, yes, yeah, pardon me.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
And she was on the last season and won it
and now she's pregnant with his baby.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, and it totally happens. Hey, that was our Dancing
with the Stars corner. I hope you do tune in off.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Of Dancing with the Stars. Let's talk about our star
this Buffy Summers. Summers of course.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Of course we're.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Gonna talk about inca bumby Girls four. Of course.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Of course I've been waiting for this one. Turn it up.
Do you want to hear some slacked before we give
away our feelings about this episode, or do you want
to tell me a little bit how you felt about
this episode?

Speaker 2 (13:40):
No, I want to hear slacks.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Okay, that's what I thought. Okay, Oh yeah, it's time.
Income On My Girl is the fourth episode of the
second season of Buffy the vampires Layer and the sixteenth
episode in the series overall. Written by Matt Keane and
Joe Joe Rank and Meyer. They've only written two episodes
and this is their second one. The first one they wrote,

(14:01):
I won't make you guess, I'll tell you right now
the pack Oh Banger Banger obviously obviously, and then directed
by Ellen s. Pressman, and the other episode that she
has directed was Puppet Shill. It was originally broadcast October sixth,
nineteen ninety seven, on the WB Network. Okay, so this

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episode is kind of based on a mummy that was
found the year prior. Mummy Juanita, also known as the
Lady of Umpoto. It was a well preserved frozen body
frozen body of a girl from the Inca Empire who
was killed as a human sacrifice to the Inca gods,
probably between fourteen forty and fourteen eighty, and she was

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approximately twelve to fifteen years old. She was discovered on
a dormant volcano, Mount Upoto in southern Peru in nineteen
ninety five or I guess two years before, excuse me,
and also called her the Ice Maiden, the Ice Princess,
but you know her. They found this body in nineteen
ninety five and it was like incredibly well preserved because

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she was frozen, and then they brought her all around.
They show they that's kind of the thing with mummies.
They get carded around and showed.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Well, it's like traveling exhibits. It's like when I was
a kid and Titanic was all the rage because of
James Cameron. Of course, there was a touring Titanic exhibit
that came to a museum my hometown and like, yeah,
changed the fabric of my being. Of course I've ever
seen oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
She was a part of a traveling exhibit for a
few years after that. She's back in Peru, but she's
been all over the world and uh, you know, was
a huge discovery in the in the nineties. So this
is kind of based on her loosely. Something about that
always just makes me feel so sad. I don't know,
And this is just my personal opinion. Like obviously this

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is for science, like this is huge, like that you know,
she can be preserved this way, like that's huge. I
understand people want to see that, But something about, you know,
her being just a little girl just makes me a
little sad. And something about like dead bodies in general
kind of makes me upset. I don't know. So that's
the vibe that I'm giving right now.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
So you know what you would find very fascinating little
musical called Dead Outlaw.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Oh my god, Dead Outlaw, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Literally so Dead Outlaw, for those of you who don't know,
is about Elma McCurdy who similar story. He was an
outlaw who got preserved. His body got preserved and then
it was toured around. It was at like carnivals, it
was in wax museums, it was used to sideshow attractions. Yeah,
and then its final place before they buried it was

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as a prop in like a haunted house ride.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
And the musical Dead Outlaw is about Alma mccurty's life
for the first half and then once he dies, it's
about what happened to his body and all the people
that came in contact with his body until his burial.
And one of the big themes of Dead Outlaw is
who owns your story? Yeah, and our relationship with death

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and how like what does it mean to respect the dead?
And how once you die you don't really have any
control of what's to like what becomes of your legacy,
and anyone else can just kind of use your legacy
for their own means. And yeah, I loved that show. Yeah,
I really was so sad that it closed. Yeah, really fantastic.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Oh my gosh, Yeah, you get me. But that's the
vibe that I'm giving. That kind of stuff kind of
makes me just extra sad. But that makes sense. Okay,
jumping right to it. Let's combine this with Who's playing
at the Bronze because we've got a big one at
the Bronze tonight. Who's playing bro This is dingo ate

(17:57):
my Baby, Oh dangway, may Baby is Buffy's own. This
is an in universe Buffy band, but all the music
is made is performed by the band four Star Mary.
So shout out to four Star Mary. They write all
the songs, they write all the music, and then they
have actors pretend to do it for them, so shout

(18:19):
out to them. But the band's name is in reference
to the woman in the eighties who exclaimed that a
dingo ate her baby and no one believed her, so
she was tried for murder. Then turned out they found
her baby's clothes near a dingo dan, so they dropped
the murder charges. How sad is that? I've like read
about that today. I literally didn't know anything about that.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
No, yeah, that's also an incredibly sad story.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, what the heck is happening today? On this instead
came Yeah, it became like everything's like, give me sad.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
As evidenced by this episode, it became essentially a pre
internet meme where everyone was like, haha, dingo say my baby.
Remember how crazy that was? And then at the end of.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
The day like that was a baby that died. Yeah, yeah, no,
I know, So shout out to me being sad on
this day. I also, I would love to I mean,
this is hardly a part of the slacks. I'm like,
when do I bring this up? I wanted to bring
this up during the Slacks, but we can bring it
up later. There are two slurs in this episode that

(19:22):
I want.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
To point There are two slurs. Correct.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
There are of a plethora of things that are honest, cultureivity,
so much culture and insensitivity in this episode. But I
do want to I need to make people because I
feel like some people don't even know that these two
are slurs. I just want to make people aware this
this episode is a fucking sets pool of insensitivity to

(19:49):
cultures and these two slurs are no exception. We have
the g slur and the Eastler in here. The G
slur is obviously not obviously some people don't know, but
it is important. Is you know a slur used against
the Romani people? You heard it in the episode? Stop

(20:09):
saying it?

Speaker 2 (20:10):
So, Buffy says. Basically, she's talking about how Ampata had
like her freedom taken away from her, and she says,
essentially she got ripped off. Yeah. The word that she uses,
obviously is not ripped off.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
That is slang that was very prevalent when we were
growing up. That is short for a derogatory, a derogatory
name towards the Romani people, and it's also fulfilling a
harmful stereotype that Romani people are.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yes, yes, exactly, no, thank you. You said that in
a better way than I than I did, so thank you.
And the other one is a slur that people use
for innate people and stop that. So that's happening, and
this whole episode is just a cesspool of culture and insensitivity,
and frankly, hearing that it was written by the people

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who wrote the pack, I'm not surprised anyway. Okay, let
me tell you about the other names for this episode.
The international titles. Most of them are some version of
Incamummy Girl, Inca Mummy, some type Inca Mummy, Princess, the

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Secret of the Mummy, but a few that are a
little different. Truly, they're all pretty much Inca Mummy or
the Mummy. But the sweetish title is Mom's Favorite Mummy,
which like, who's mom? Like we only see Joyce for
like literally a second. Is that the mom? No, she

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thinks some Pata is such a sweet girl. She's like, Pata,
you look so beautiful. She really funds you're my favorite mummy,
And so maybe it's that, Isn't that so funny. So yeah,
are your slacks? Wow? Yeah? Yeah a fun one. Two

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things that made me sad and two other things it
made me also sad. I hate slurs. Oh, I also
have to shout.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Out, you didn't, I got two slacks for you. You continue.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
We meet two huge characters in this episode. We meet Jonathan.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Jonathan is unnamed. Jonathan is the one that's like sitting
alone and then a pot just like, hey, let's make
it out up, like let's kiss, and he's like, aren't
you here with Xander? And she says, it looks like
I'm here with Xander. That's Jonathan, played by Emmy Word
winner Denny Strong, and he is unnamed in this episode,
but it is not the last you will see of him.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Exactly out to Jonathan. And then we also meet os Man.
You're the lead guitarist. You can get any chick you want.
He's the one who says the Eastler. You'll remember him,
the redhead. His name is Oz and he's played by
Seth Green. So every time I talk about Bruce Seth Green,

(23:08):
no relation, I'm relating to Seth Green.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
I love all. I'm glad that Seth Green finally he
was ready to step in front of the camera. He
worked behind the Buffy a lot, exactly, said I'm actually
ready to get in front of that camera and knock
the bruce off my name and show these people what
I can exactly Exactly.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
He's got a stage name and a backstage name.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
I love Oz, and I'm so glad he's finally here.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Daniel osborn to We got Drew and Spike. Last episode,
we get Jonathan and Oz. This episode four incredibly pivotable
and iconic characters in the Buffy Verse, all within a
span of two episodes.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
We are eating good these two episodes.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
And that is like INCA. Mummy Girl is an episode
that is rarely just in the Buffy fandom. It is
very much oh no one really no cares about it.
If it is discussed, it is discussed. People are like
discussing the insensitivities in it.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
But I always remember this episode because it is the
introduction of these two dudes.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
It's so funny to the way they introduce Oz. They're like, Oz,
you are such a hot commodity. These bitches love you.
You could have any girl you want. Hey, and he
wants our girl.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
I love oz, I really do. I have such a
special he holds such a special place in my heart.
I also have to shout out a little cameo role.
The bodyguard is played by, of course, Jill gil Birmingham,
who also stars in the Twilight movies. He plays Billy Black.
I saw him and I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Billy Black is in this.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, and also shout out to him. He is handsome
as fucking this.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
No, he's very good looking.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
He is very good looking. He's very good looking in general.
And then also Umpata. The income princess is played by
Aracelly and she's also gorge Now, oh my god, took
my breath away. She is like the hot that like,
so hot, so beautiful that you would cast her as

(25:23):
your like. And I don't mean this too, I don't
mean this to sound you'd cast her as like you're
at your your dead wife in a movie where there's
a dead wife mantash. She is so goddamn drop dead gorgeous.
You know what I'm talking about. She's that level of beauty.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I'm gonna start describing people as that when she is
you have dead wife and a movie good look, No.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Because that's the thing is. They always cast those those
roles as like the most gorgeous woman you've ever seen,
so like in the rom comet, always like you know,
we're watching the home videos, we're watching the the wedding videos.
It always makes everyone cry because this woman is so
beautiful and how could we lose her? And this woman
is that gorgeous?

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:09):
My god?

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Hey, and those are your slacks, baby.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
M m, so thank you for listening to my slacks?

Speaker 2 (26:23):
All right, you ready to take a trip down memory
lane of what happened in Inca.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Mummy girl, I actually need one please.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Okay, this is like kind of messy. We're gonna see
how it goes. It's way too long, all right. Previously,
I'm Buffy the vampire Slayer the summers for an exchange
student isn't just from a different culture but a different time.
I'm Patas, just a regular teenage girl from the Incan
Empire who was sacrificed against her will to save her people.

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Mummified and reanimated with a boy's wardrobe and a killer
skincare routine. To keep her youth for glow, she has
to give someone the kiss of death every few hours.
Ignorant of her Mamma fied origin, Xander and Ampata begin
a flirtation. Willow is hurt, but decides to take the
high road and encourages Xander to take Umpata to Sunnydale's

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cultural appropriation Dance. Elsewhere, Giles and Buffy put together the
pieces of Umpata's fake identity after finding the corpse of
the real foreign exchange student in her luggage. As her
mummy soriasis sets in, Ampata goes to death kiss Willow gay,
but Xander steps in to save her. Umpata then turns

(27:35):
back into a mummy because Xander held off her kiss
for long enough, or she hesitated too long because she's
in love with him. I don't really know. It wasn't
clear to me. With impatagon, Buffy feels bad for her
as a fellow teen girl whose life was taken from
her by forces out of her control, and that's a
good mummy girl.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I think it was probably both.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
It's probably that whole sequence is confusing to me because
I was kind of like, she's been a mummy since
the Inkin Empire. Yeah, so why should I believe that
she's gone because she's a mummy again? Like, obviously I
recognize that the mummy like broke. But I still that's

(28:23):
not enough for me to think that she can't reassemble
herself and come back to life.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
I hear that. I was thinking that because the like
the shield was broken, that that was like the thing
that was like animating her.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
But the shield breaking is what animated, Like, the shield
being put together is what was keeping her as a mummy.
And the second little punk ass Rodney, who I forgot
to mention in this.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
By the way, Oh, I'm glad you didn't mention him,
Little punk ass Rodney.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
He climbs into a museum with zero security, zero glass
on anything, zero alarms, and don't.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Shers eyes on him at all. They know he's a punk.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
And he just fucks around in the mummy sarcophagus. I
don't know if it's called the sarcophagus. Actually, he fucks
around in the mummy's coffin, takes this ancient ink and
artifact and just shatters it. See them, but that's what
reanimates her.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, I don't like so in my mind, Oh yeah,
that she totally could come back to life.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
She's still coming back. I don't buy that she's gone.
I mean, obviously, I know she's gone. We never see
her again. But that's why that final scene is very
confusing to me. It's not super clear if she is
like trying to kiss Xander, but then she's like, oh
my gosh, I'm in love with him. I can't bring
myself to do this.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
I wonder if a part of the curse is like
if the shield is broken, she's got like one shot,
and if she like becomes yeah one exactly my mind,
like what you're saying, yeah, like keep a balloon up

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and it's like one.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Mommy sets back in like it's over, it's over.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, but you've got one shot. One shot.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I could I can buy that.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
I mean, she wasn't super forthcoming.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
About Yes, she didn't tell them this is how you
kill me, which is really insensitive of her.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
I know, why didn't she.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
The gigs up, I'm a mummy, you all know. So
here's a step by step instruction of how you could
kill me.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, it was she wasn't truly a villain, so she
didn't like have like a villain like monologue at the
end to tell me what's up.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
I also was thinking, I was like, she has to
keep kissing people to look young and beautiful, but I
didn't think she had to keep kissing people to stay
alive when when she kissed is the real impata, the
actual foreign exchange?

Speaker 1 (31:05):
But I mean she probably kissed Rodney.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
She did kiss Rodney, but she still is fully of
Mummy there like I don't.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
M I probably was.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
The laws of this curse are really confused.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Really confusing. I wonder how long it took her to
get from and how did she know to get to
the bus stop.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
She also knew his name was I am pot up. Well, uh,
actually I do have an answer for this, Okay. What
she says when they remark that she her English is
very strong, and they ask if she's ever been to
the US before, she says, I've toured. I've been to Boston,
New York, Atlanta. And it's a funny joke because literally
her exhibit toured. But someone says something about like, did

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you get a lot of practice talking? And she says, no,
but I got a lot of practice listening.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
So she's somehow like cognizant of what's going on.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yes, And they were talking next to the her coffin
about how Buffy had to get Upota from the bus station.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
I'm telling you that as hell. Oh no, it's terrible,
like not that she's dead. Seriously, no, terrible.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
So I hope for her sake that she did die.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
At the end, she's listening to these idiot kids talk
about the bus stop my god, make me mad? Not
with that little girl less rest okay? So that makes sense,
So she knows who to look for.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, but I still understand why that killed her at
the end. In my mind, she would still be alive,
just would look like a mummy. But I hope for
her sake that it did kill her, because the alternative
of her being a mummy and just listening to everything
again is awful, awful, god awful, inca mummy girl. How
do I like this episode?

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Let her rest okay? Listen? Guess what what I don't
like this episode? We found one. There are parts of
this episode that I enjoy. I think like the parallel
between Impata and Buffy is nice. But I will I'm

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probably not gonna revisit this episode for a while. It's
not mine. It's not my episode. It's also like a
like I said, like like we said earlier, it's just
an absolute minefield of cultural and sensitivity, cultural appropriation, all
the shit. It's really not fun to watch personally, but

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there are parts of it that I like. Obviously, I
think Pata as a character is interesting. I thought I
was sweet to see like Xander in a new light.
But this isn't my favorite episode. I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
What about Yeah, So, first of all, I want to
say the name I'm Pata is not a real name.
You don't have that name. But like you said, this
is inspired by Juanita the I don't remember what the
rest of that name was, but she was found on
the volcano of Ampateau, and so her name is a

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shout out to Okay, yeah, yeah, she's based on anyways.
So I have only seen this episode once when I
first watched Buffy. I never ever revisited it, and I
have heard nothing but bad things about it. Four years.
I have heard people list this as like bottom five
of the whole series, just like people really really do

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not like this episode, saying like it's not worth revisiting
it all, et cetera, et cetera, And so I my
expectations were on the floor when I went to watch this,
and the first time I watched it, I had a
good time.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
I liked it.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I liked it, and then after I knew what the
episode was because I'd rewatched it when I did my
second watch, because I you know, we tend to watch
the episodes twice before recording what I would did the
second watch, I was like, Okay, I see, it's not
like a very strong episode, but I still enjoyed it
a lot more like, yeah, I would.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Hey, that's the thing with expectations. When they're on the ground,
it's not hard to exceed them.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Obviously, there's a lot of stuff about this episode that
is not great. And then even beyond the insensitive stuff,
there's stuff just like I don't really understand why or
how she died that doesn't make sense to me. There's
just some narrative stuff that doesn't really click for me.
But I find, like you mentioned, I find the parallel
between Ampata and Buffy really compelling. I like when Buffy

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takes a universal monster and does a fun spin on them.
You know, two weeks ago we got Frankenstein. But what
if Frankenstein was like a teen boy who had his
life taken from him and now we're doing Emo tep
from the Mummy. Yeah, but what if in a similar way,
like instead of the Mummy being this evil force. What
if the Mummy was some girl?

Speaker 1 (35:59):
It was the cool.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, that was much like Buffy had her life stolen
from her and literally all she wants. She does not
want to live forever, She does not want power. She
wants to have a crush, like that's her main thing is.
She just keeps saying, I just want to fall in love,
like she just wants this human experience that everyone else
has been granted. That she got stolen from her because

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a bunch of dudes in her civilization decided that she
was the one that had to be sacrificed. I think
that's really compelling.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
I had some laughs in this episode. I love the
Cordelia like E plot. It's really like three scenes, but
I love the joke of Cordelia gets it for an
exchange student, because the whole bit with this episode is
its cultural exchange week, like everyone's getting exchange students and

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Cordelia gets this exchange student from Sweden that she is like,
I can't deal with this guy, like he doesn't understand
anything I say. And she keeps being Cordelia speaking to him, yes,
so insensitively, speaking to him as if he is like
the way that you talk to a dog, like one
of the pets. And then the reveal in the final

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scene with Spenn where he's talking to her friend and
he speaks perfect English, and basically you find out the
reason that he wasn't responding to Cordelia is because he
thinks that she doesn't understand English because her English is
so poor when she talks to him.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
It's this whole experience for me. He's like, I don't
even get to speak to see.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
He's like, I came here to like learn about American
culture and improve my English, and yet like the girl
I'm with talks in a language I've never even heard before.
I thought that was a very fun reversal. Yeah, there's
stuff about this episode that I like, and I certainly
am not like going to bat thinking it's a great episode,
but I think it has redeeming qualities and I had
a good time watching it.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
I like that. No, I agree. I think like even
these episodes that I like, I'm not like one percent enjoying,
Like I still like am finding good stuff in it,
Like I with you. I think the stuff with Buffy
and the Inca Princess are like is like great, and
I also love the Willow stuff. And the Willow stuff

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is like pretty Like she's like mostly in the background
of what's going on, but I think that like makes
it so powerful to me. Like she is witnessing Xander
straight up talk about her and be like, I literally
would never kiss that girl in my life, and like
seeing him also fall in love with this girl. She
says something, I could wait for him to date every

(38:33):
other girl, or I could start living my life. Bubby's like,
I think that's great, and she's like, well, I haven't
decided yet, Like I love that part so much. And
to watch her decide that, you know, she's gonna put
herself first and like cut her losses with that, I
think is so lovely. And then to see that there
are people out here who desire her is like so lovely.

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And I just think, in my mind, I'm never got
I've never understood people who and it's okay if you do,
and I would love someone to like tell me if
they do. I've never understood people shipping Xander and Willow
to me personally. And I love a friend still lovers
like anyone else, but especially with him straight up showing

(39:20):
not only just not. He doesn't think about her like that,
but he has thought about it, and he's decided not
to pursue her like that on purpose. It's hard to
come back from that. And I would hate to see
someone who is so special to me, this girl, be
someone's second choice like that. So I'm glad to see
them give her someone else to choose her and pick her.

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And I think that, you know, we can all take
a page out of Willow's book. Let's wait for people
who are going to pick us like so, I shout
out to Oz, I love the Willow stuff and this
stuff in this episode.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I agree, And I think Willow v Xander it is
very interesting in this episode because they are both in
not they're both in similar situations as in, Willow is
in a situation that Xander has been in for a while. Yeah,

(40:15):
and the way they handle it is so interesting. Yeah.
You know, Xander was pining after Buffy all of season one,
and then at the end of season one he got
a definitive I'm not interested from Buffy. Willow has been
pining after Xander the whole show so far, and she
now in this episode, has heard a definitive from Xander.
I'm not interested in Willow and the way that Xander

(40:37):
has been handling it since then, it's especially egregious in
this episode. The like last three, he maybe like made
a comment or two, but this episode, just with Umpata,
they know there is gonna be a boy, that they're
having a male exchange student, and then obviously it ends
up being a female because the Mummy killed the reel

(40:57):
Mpata and replaced him. But when Xander that like a
teenage boy is going to be living with Buffy, he
keeps making all these like Xander comments about like oh,
well you better watch out for him and be careful
around him, and blah blah blah, and it's coming from
a place of he's extremely jealous and it's trying to
like drive her wedge between them. And then what Xander
is fearing actually happens to Willow, which is the exchange

(41:20):
student arrives and she's incredibly interested in Xander and Xander's
incredibly interested in her. And how Willow handles it is like, Okay, well,
like you said, I want to be with someone who's
gonna choose me, so she encourages Xander to pursue it. Yeah,
And I think that just shows the level of maturity
between these two characters, and the difference is there. Yeah, literally,

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And I wish I could say most of the time
with Xander, I do feel like the writers are kind
of critiquing teen boys by the way he acts, or
at least and you know, a lot of the times
it's a playful critique, but like they are critiquing. But
this episode, I feel like based on how it ends,

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It ends with Buffy and Xander having a conversation where
Buffy mentions how she feels bad from Pata because she
knows what that's like, and she when she found out
that she had to die in Prophecy Girl, she was not,
you know, thinking of helping others either, Like that was
not her her first instinct either. And Xander says, yes,

(42:28):
but ultimately you decided to do the right thing, and
Buffy says yes, and I had you to bring me back,
and they have a moment that feels sexual tensiony right then. Sure,
And I feel and this is pure conjecture on my part,
but I feel like the writers say it and maybe

(42:49):
one particular showrunner, who is living out his self insert
fantasy through this character, is trying to set up Buffy
Xander and be like, ultimately he's going to win her over,
and we are introducing Oz so that everyone can get
their happy ending and Buffy Xander can get together and
the fans won't feel bad for Willow because she has

(43:10):
her own boyfriend. Else. Yeah, I just like, I really
loved I had no issue with Xander having an unrequired
crush on Buffy and Saone. I really loved her turning
him down and him like being a little worse about it,
but then ultimately helping her in the end. But then

(43:30):
I don't like that now he like continues to hold
onto those feelings, and then it feels like the writer's
plan is to ultimately reward him for that. You like
to refuse to move on, You're actually going to get
rewarded and you're going to wear her down.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, that ain't right. That's so funny. I didn't get
that at all.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Maybe that's just in my brain.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
No, I mean, I think you're probably right and I
and I mean that's not out of the realm of
possibility of what was going on in the writer's room.
I'm sure knowing what I know, but I Exandre's not
my guy, and I love Buffy so much that I'm like,
I don't think anyone's good enough for her. That's my daughter,

(44:17):
you know what I mean. So I don't even I
wasn't even thinking about that at all. That's Mom's favorite
Mommy exactly, that's one of my favorite sleigher. So yeah,
but no, I now that you say it, I can
totally see and I mean that scene with them is
it is sweet. It is very very very sweet, like
even you know him saying like other than you, like,

(44:40):
my taste in girls has like only proved to be
like really really poor. I totally see the sweetness there,
But I was not looking for tension because my brain
could never go there.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah, it felt like it felt like a seed planting
to me.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yeah, No, I totally see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
I like, have no issue with the Ampata Xander. I
think it's fun. No, absolutely, and I think it's fun.
Whereas in Teacher's Pet, like she had nefarious purposes in
mind with him, but I like in this episode that like, no,
Ampata is being genuine. She actually is interested in Xander.
And yes, she's killing people and that's bad yet like

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she's killing people because she wants to date.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Xander killing boys.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
She's only killing boys because she won't go gay.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
No, and that was wrong.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
You saw how much she hesitated to kiss Willow.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
I know, come on. I was so excited when even
when she went to kiss Buffy. I was like, come on,
kiss her, come on, should be fine, should be fine?
Oh my god, no. I mean even in that moment
where she's about to kiss Jonathan but she doesn't, thank God,
and you know she like Xander finds her and she's

(46:09):
so emotional and she's like, you know, that's also the thing.
It's the pushing daisies of it all. It's like they
can't kiss because one of them will die if they kiss,
Like she cannot pursue this love, and like, you ate
this actress. She's doing a damn good job. She's really
killing it. And she's crying and watching Xander say like

(46:32):
like are these happy tears? Are these like disgusted tears?
Like what's going? I thought that scene was gorgeous, like
the warm light behind. I was gagged. It was beautiful.
I was it was like Clinch cover romance novel. Shit.
I thought it was so beautiful and watching her cry,
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
I loved that Xander, like like you said, having no
context for why she's crying, and then trying to comfort
her by saying she says, Xander, I have a secret,
and him trying to make her feel better and cut
the tension goes, oh, I know, and if you tell me,
you'll have to kill me, and then she's sobbing even harder,
and he goes, Okay, Okay, bad joke.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
No, I thought that scene. I thought that scene was gorgeous,
like so beautiful, And I mean that's also the thing
is this girl is just like Buffy, Like she just
wants to be a normal girl, and there are circumstances
that keep her even now. You know, however, many years
after this, you know, the Incan Empire, she can't, like

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she still can't be a normal girl. And like the
devastation that that is that that she feels. Oh my gosh,
I really feel for this girl.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah. Do you think Billy Black do you think he
was immortalized and it's from the Incan Empire or do
you think no, it's like a watcher scenarios are called.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Okay, I think it's called I think that guy is
from now. He goes arong, he goes along with her.
I mean that's the that's what I thought. I'm not
sure though, that.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Is maybe less insensitive because Billy black is in no
way Peruvian. No, yeah, he's very much from North America. Yeah,
that also makes more sense because like, where would he
have been this whole time?

Speaker 1 (48:27):
I assume that he Yeah, he's like.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Workers, they just like constantly have one of the museum
workers is that generation's person who is going to keep
the mummy from coming back to life?

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Where the fuck was he when Rodney was in there?
He pops up after Rodney breaks the seal. Billy Black
he was on his lunch break. He's on his lunch break. Classic,
he was off as he was run around as a werewolf. Yeah,
it was a full moon that night.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
It was that night.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Sorry, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Out my son and his friends running through the woods.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Literally and is in his weird his other friend and
her weird boyfriend. I love Twilight, God, I love Twilight.
I love that Billy Blackie is genuinely that actor is
hands my god. Yeah, when Impata kissed him, I was.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Like, oh, I forgot that happened.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Here's my other here's my other qualm with this episode.
So Billy Black, like his whole calling. I like who
we're calling Billy Black, Gil Birmingham, but who will be
known as Billy Black. Billy Black's like a whole purpose
in life is to keep the seal from getting broken
and failed if the seal gets broken, to stop this

(49:42):
girl from killing people. Rodney once again, low fuck face.
Rodney walks into the museum, not a garden site, not
a Billy Black in sight, no I know, walks on
over to the coffin, no alarms, no glass over the coffin,
picks up the seal, problem shatters it. Where were you,
Billy Black? And then Billy Black is like, oh fuck,

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I was on my lunch break. I was off being
a werewolf. I actually need to lock in. He starts
chasing Umpata. She is in the body, which, like I
understand she's a supernatural being. But he this is his
whole purpose. He's been training his whole life.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah, she is.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Like a sixteen year old She's a sixteen year old girl.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
He has been training his whole life. This is his
only purpose. The first time he even tries to stop her,
it's not even like. They fight for thirty seconds and
she gets the upper hand. I'm not kidding. He goes
to hit her, She knocks a hit away, puts him
in a headlock. His Zimmy's dead. What was the point
of you, Billy Black? You were the worst at this job.

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We went so incredibly bad. You couldn't have done a
worst job if you'd broken the seal yourself.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
It's giving Watcher's counsel truly where it's like I wonder
if it was you know, it's his father before him,
his father before him, his father before him, And at
the way it kind of they kind of dropped the
ball about like training.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, because they're like she's been in nothing for thousands
of years, Like she hain't coming out.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
No, this is a formality at this point.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
And you know what she is at least semi combat trained,
like she has some strength to her, like, you know,
and they just didn't. That was an oversight on their part.
So they totally So he's like he totally forgot to
like step up his game. He's like, shit, I should
I should I should have been studying.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
I mean, like, in fairness, if I was touring the
country with an exhibit of a mummy and I've been
touring the country for like ten years and the mummy
had never done anything. I would be like, what are
the odds that's right?

Speaker 1 (51:39):
That happened, Oh my god, totally And it's like, yeah,
I'm gonna go watch YouTube in the bathroom on my phone,
Like the museum is closed.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Sure, this weird brace faced kid was fully picking paint
flakes off one of the ancient masks. But he'll be fine.
He's not going to do anything crazy.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
They brought his even on the on the field trip.
He can keep his hands to himself.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
No, he was growling at the other kids. Don't bring
him into a museum.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
He was growling at the other kids. And here's Willow
having so much empathy for these little brats.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
I did really love that character beat. Yeah, that like
Rodney growls out o their kids. He's like so weird
and scary. And then a Willow walks up and his
face lights up and they have a friendship. Yeah, and
she's like helping him do homework and I love you.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
And honestly, to me, I've known my fair share of
trouble teens. Sometimes they just need a friend and someone
to like treat them like a like a person. But
I can't believe they left without him at this field
trip and like no one, no one had eyes on him,

(52:57):
like he's literally messing with the exhibit.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Buffy does say like when they're wondering if Rodney is dead,
and maybe it's not Buffy, but someone's like I didn't
see him get on the bus, which I was like,
what kind of school is this? Yeah, they're not checking
the kids on the bus, but then also it's Sunnydale
High and kids are dropping like five, so of course
you're not checking their kids.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
They can't. They can't.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
They're like, we're still mourning the six kids that died
last week, So you know, it is what it is. Literally,
if one dies on this field trip, consider ourselves lucky.
It was just one.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Oh my god, Like there was like a whole gang
who came into the school and killed parents and teachers.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Last week a parent teacher conference. We're still looking for
subs based on the teachers that got murdered and were
strewn on the lawn.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
And that's the reason.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
The trip they died.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
They died. God, have I mentioned how I hate living here?
Sonny feels such a mess.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I ever mentioned I hate this school. But that little
Willow Rodney moment certainly back on the Xander critique of
it all, As I said, I feel like this is
setting up bander and I don't like that this episode,
but in the vibe of I do feel like a

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lot of Xander Issm's is kind of playful. But a
critique of teenage choice, I agree. I do think it's
interesting and intentional that we are given this scene that
shows that Willow is such a like emotionally intelligent, empathetic
person that Rodney this little psycho freak. She is like

(54:36):
the one person that he is kind to and feels
safe around, and Xander pays no attention to her at all.
And then our introduction to Oz is his band partner
being like, isn't Cordelia so hot? Don't you love Cordelia?
Isn't she so hot? And Oz being like, yeah, I guess,
but I don't really care about that.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
And then Oz is the one that from the stage
sees Willow in the crowd and it's like, who is
that girl? She has a spark to her.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Bro that's my dream. I thought that was gonna happen
to me at the Jonas Brothers concert.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
But Xander is very much a teen boy, whereas Oz
is an extremely mature teen boy. Yeah, this boy, but yeah,
and this is why Xander is, you know, fallen for
ancient mummies and pragnantises. Yeah, whereas Oz yeah, can notice

(55:37):
that while Willa was overlooked by all the other teen
boys her age, he recognizes, No, there is something really
special there that other people are not seeing.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Like, God, that's so awesome.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
I'm gonna cry. When will it be my turn to
be noticed from the crowd and see the sparking me anyway?

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Now?

Speaker 1 (56:02):
I love that. Yeah, I think the willow stuff is
probably my favorite stuff that's happening here. But there's like
good stuff happening in this episode. It's just like so
overpowered by so much cultural insensitivity and craziness. It's like
hard to remember all that fun.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Stuff outside of the slurs. The main cultural insensitivity is
the cultural dance.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yeah, and also, like you know, even Cordelia and Xander
like speaking to these kids they're the foreign exchange students
in like broken English, Like that's not that's not appropriate.
Maybe that's not.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
The dance is crazy. The dance where it's like everyone
just pick a random culture and literally dress in like
the cultural garb of whatever culture of your choosing. Yeah,
that is wildly insane, and that could get a whole
set piece in this episode is just the entire cast

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in whatever cultural.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Meant. I was aghast at the things I was seeing.
I was like, oh my god, but I mean, hey,
like nearly every culture is included in this, and it's
bad across the borg. Oh my gosh, Like I can't
even like I don't even feel comfortable going down the

(57:27):
line to see to like say, the things we even saw.
I was just aghast even still. I mean, and I'm
not the I'm not the authority on like what's appreciation,
what's appropriation? God knows, But I just mean, like, this
is like an entirely white cast, and it was wild

(57:49):
to do that and to have a dance themes like that.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
I was lost.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
It was wild. But I like character beats in this episode.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
No, yeah, I have, And I think it is probably
one of my least favorite episodes that we've seen. And
I was so excited to have an episode that I
felt negatively about because I just love this show so much.
But even I agree, like there's so much good stuff
in here. It is just it is it is really

(58:20):
over overpowered by the stuff that's just not appropriate. What
do you want to talk about next?

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Looking at my notes, one of my notes just says,
oof the slur. Yeah, oof the slur? Indeed which one? Okay?
Uh inca mummy girl. I don't like a lot more
this episode. Yeah, I want to shout out real ampata. Yeah,
people die on this show every week. You know, it's

(58:51):
oh it always, Thank.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
God you're saying this.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
This was like really harrowing and sad to me. I thought,
I'm genuinely upset by it, and like, once again, literally
so many kids have died on this show, Like you.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Think about this is sick, sick and twist with the territory.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
But him, like leaving home to go on a cultural
exchange program, is probably so excited. His family was probably
so excited, and then he dies within like an hour
of getting off the bus and his family never sees
him again.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
It really was haunting to me.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Buffy was late to go pick him up as well. Yeah,
so he was literally like, in my mind, he has
his fingers like his thumbs and his backpack, just excited,
ready to be here, looking around waiting for someone to
finally come get him, Like, this is a this is
a boy, this is a child. I don't know how
much Buffy is doing for what like for the people

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who she and she can't like what are the watchers doing,
like to contact his family and let them know that
there was an accident? Like what is a school doing?
Like also, the school literally has his picture, his like information.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
They're not like on the magazine with all their pictures.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
And like it's Buffy's job to like take him to
and from the bus, Like it's not like a school
sanctioned thing, Like no one has fucking eyes on this kid.
Oh my god. It made me sick. Actually, yeah, it
was harrowing. I'm glad you brought it up. It like
made me feel ill.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
It made me feel very sad. I was thinking, like,
this is a very you know, it's not willy nilly
culture exchange programs are serious, Like they have your documentation,
they know who you are.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
So the fact that Buffy this whole time was like,
this is a male is coming. A male is coming,
like the sex on the document is male. And then
miss Impata walks out with her like yassified, has the
shirt all tied up with her big long hair and

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buffy for no second even questions it. It's like, oh, absolutely,
you're on Pata. I was well off summer, says Trans.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Writes, exactly she said, she said, She.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Says she is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
She's in the mid They sent you here with all
these boy clothes. That's not right for you, Besty. Let
me give you some stick. Yeah, like I will help you.
It's she said. Trans writes, she didn't question that at all.
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Sunnydale may be it may have no concern or regard
for human life, but you better believe they said women. Yeah,
because when PoTA rolled up to Sunnydale High and they said, oh,
we have all this paperwork about you, but you say
she her well welcome in, Miss she and her welcome.

(01:01:39):
We may be on the rod of history as far
as child mortality rates, but we are on the right
side as far as gender identity absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Rights. I love that, see and that it was totally
That is exactly the vibe I was getting, like this
is beautiful. I kind of love this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
There was like no moment of being like oh, but
I thought she was just like and am Pata glad
to have you? Let's go home? Hell yeah, hell I
love that. I also did. Mpata was giving androgynous realness
like the whole episode because she's in boy clothes the
whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
It was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
It was hot her like full beat, big glam hair
and like boxer shorts and a T shirt. It's like, oh, okay, gender.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
I know, and like even like you know, pants that
are like you know, straight up like men's clothes, like
masculine lines on this beautiful woman. I was like, this
is beautiful. I loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
The gag of the episode is Umpata original in his
little like you know, he wants to look nice for
his new family in his slack's white button up shirt
and then her stealing that exact look and tying the
shirt up so her midrifish showing exactly like you said,
like men's lines on the pants and then like a
little tied up white shirt that ship. That was the

(01:03:00):
look of a look.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
No, and like her backlit and her gorgeous hair. I
was like, h I love this, And who says clothing
has a gender? And I'm telling you what she was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
She was stunning all of them done ing wow.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
I loved that icon icon No. I loved her and
I really felt for her, and like, you know, one
of my favorite parts of this episode is Buffy and
Empata going like we see each other, were good, you know,
like yeah, and knowing that Buffy has so much empathy
for her, and you know, there's even like that beginning,

(01:03:39):
you know, that part in the episode at the beginning
where her friends are like, hey, Will is like, I'm
going to go talk to him because I don't want
you to resort to violence. She's like, I don't always
resort to violence, and like, you know, to have her
in the end, like have so much empathy for this
girl and to genuinely feel bad that like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
She killed her.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
I just I really I'd loved that part. I just
thought it was so sweet, and you know, this girl
was chosen for no other reason than a bunch of
men decided that that was that was what had to be.
I thought that was so lovely. I'm really sad.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
No, I agree, I really that's I was going to
say that's my best part of the episode, but famously
that's a segment we do so yeah, just kidding it.
It's up in the air. Could be anything, ye could
be anything. We'll say us speaking of do you want
to move on to that segment.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Let's do it, Okay, worst part.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Know what was your worst part of the episode, just
in general.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
I'm not gonna like say a specific moment is my
very worst part, just because I think across the board,
this episode is not doing a lot for you know,
cross cultural love. Like it's just not it's not a
good look, it's not great. The two slurs, let's not
be holding space for those, like the dance in general,

(01:05:12):
and like Xander speaking to Umpata in like broken English
Spanglish whatever he is doing, that is not appropriate. I
don't love any of that. So obviously that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Yeah, and I'm sure you agree.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Yeah, I wrote general cultural insensitives exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
General general cultural insensitivity, but also like on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Top of everything else you said, also, Ampata is never
given a country of origin. Obviously the Mummy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Is from the Yeah, but from the Incan number.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Buffy never says like I have a cultural exchange student
from Peru, it's America. It's giving Katie Herron is from Africa. Yeah, exactly,
I don't know Africa.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Like that's not a country, that's a continent.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Which beyond I mean, on top of turning South America
into a monolith, Also, they don't speak Spanish everywhere in
South America. What if she had been from Brazil? The
idea of like this entire continent is just like one
monolith who knows everything is kind of the same there exactly,
just throw a dart at a map. She could be

(01:06:18):
from any of those places. Is not great?

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Oh yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
And then also the whole, Like I mean, I understand
they're in a desperate scenario, a killers on the loose,
they're grasping its straws, but the whole, like Giles meets
this cultural exchange student and his first instinct.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Is this artifact is madness.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
This artifact is from like your general vicinity, from thousands
of years ago? Can you read this? Is?

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
It's like do you know them? It's like what are
you talking about? And it's pick the right person to ask,
I know, but like Impata's not gonna know anything about that,
Like he's just a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
It's very much giving. I've met someone from South America once,
Are you guys friends?

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Are you guys friends?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
There's you know, multiple countries there. And also that's from
thousands of years ago, So no, however she could because
it was in fact her.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Yeah, they they threw the dart at the right the
right target. There.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
No, I'm so glad you brought that up. That's madness crazy,
I'm Giles.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Okay, what's your best part?

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Okay, I obviously love the Willow stuff, but I'm gonna
shout out. I think my favorite part of the episode
is when Mpata or the Incan Princess and Xander are
like underneath the stairs at the bronze, like and she's
crying and Jonathan just got away and it's just so gorgeous.

(01:07:53):
And even watching them kiss, I was like, okay, wait,
that's so beautiful, and I was getting emotional as well,
and I just, you know, I so you know, e
Xander's not my guy. I don't love him, but like,
I you know, to watch him like have this like
the most genuine connection he's had so far and have
it be so you know, Bill faded was so sad,

(01:08:15):
and I really I thought that that scene was so gorgeous.
Oh my gosh, I was. It took way breath away.
What's your best part?

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
I just liked. I Likedata a lot. Frankly as a character.
I love when Buffy makes these characters multifaceted, and you
understand you have empathy for them, which is my best
part is that they make us feel empathy for Umpata. Ultimately,
she's killing people. We can't have that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
But yeah, her.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Us really sitting with this was a girl that had
no choice, that had her life stolen from her. It's
very much like Daryl and some assembly required. Yeah, she
she just wants a chance to have a human experience
again after she had everything taken from her. And then
Buffy relating to that and the parallels between her and

(01:09:06):
Buffy I thought was very compelling. I liked all of that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Yeah, I think that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Do you want to give us a gayest part? Jingle?

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Oh my god, mm hmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmm. It's the gayest part
of the episode. It's the gayest part today.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
WHOA, Okay, that's why I write tunds.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
That was gorgeous. What's your greatest part?

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Trans writes, Hell, yeah, it trans writes for sure. And
just to see a beautiful woman in a masculine line.
Oh my god, taste my breath away. Oh my god,
I love that. What's your gayest part of the episode?

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
I wrote giving androgyny realness.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Yeah, transfer women, I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Oh yeah, baby, I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
I love them. Pata she got she so beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Chez. That's inkamummy girl. Goodbye, open and shows what's.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Well, let's open it once more. Just give you the
death count of course.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Oh my god here. Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Obviously fuck face Rodney brace face nightmare. I know, honestly, yeah,
I feel bad for him. But why do you do
that whatever?

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Just throwing stuff in museums. You're like sixteen years old.
I don't no respect for the dead either.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
That That really that kind of a pissed me off,
because like, okay, like just like a kid who like,
you know, I remember one time I went to a
museum here in Utah in like elementary school. It was
like a railroad museum, and I watched a kid like
carve his name into like one of the slats. I
don't know anything about trains, unfortunately, but like one of

(01:10:58):
the wooden slats, and he got I got to row
on the on the track and he got in so
much trouble. And it was seriously like we all were
sat down that day and it was like that we
are so lucky we got to go there. And to
do that is so inappropriate and you all need to
know that that's not an appropriate thing to do. Like
I don't know. So I love museums. I hate someone

(01:11:20):
who respect who disrespects museum and especially disrespects dead bodies.
I hate stuff like that. So Rodney whatever, and then
obviously Impata, No, this one sucks. This one sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Poor dude.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
I know someone, Please call his mom. I really felt
bad about that. Hi, I miss you, the body Car,
the Bodyguard, Billy Black, I love you, Handsome, have fun
in Twilight, No seriously, and then the Inca Princess Umpata
herself miss you. So we got four in this episode.

(01:11:57):
Well that's open and shut. Thank you for listening to
ourpisode on InCom Momie Girl.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Emails, Emails, emails. Hi, we're going to talk about some
emails we got about the episode School Hard. If you
want to join us on a little interweb adventure.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
I hope you will. Let's first hear from Joe, shall we.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Joe's subject line is Spike's accent dot dot dot. Email
opens up, Hey, my loves It's not good, or at
least not consistently. I actually couldn't work out if it
was an American doing a bad English accent or an
English actor doing a bad American accent. Some words sound good,

(01:12:41):
but then it's very far off. I actually think it
swings into Southern US at times, so it was intrigued
to hear that that's what he auditioned does. Anyway, very
much enjoying the Buffy rewatch, been looking for a reason
to go again. First saw eleven years ago when I
was a depressed first year UNI student and watched it
in such a concentrated time period that I it's subconsciously
doing the willow gurgly nose breathing sound which stuck for months.

(01:13:05):
Sorry to burst the spike accent bubble. I actually preferred
Drusilla's Victorian orphan voice Lots of Love, Joe UK.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Listen to call it Victorian orphan is very fun.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Now. The star of this week's email hall is the
accent discourse. We said last week, we said that we
were both gagged to learn the James Marsters was in
American part of me, and that we were both like,
oh my gosh, the accent to end all accents. But
obviously we're Americans, so like we don't have the genes
Si Qua we don't have that little thing that helps

(01:13:40):
us understand British accents, well, that little thing being being
raised in English. So we have had a lot of
We've had a lot of Brits weigh in. Joseph is
a point against, I will say. Front of the podcast,
Vicky commented and said, I watched the show for the
first time two years ago in our refused to even
google a single name. I didn't want spoilers, so I

(01:14:04):
binged it and then looked up who everyone was. I
had no idea James Marsters wasn't British. I'm British. He
sounds so much like my ex and his dad, kind
of North London Cockney. So we got Joe against. When
we got VICKI four, we got a foot on each side.

(01:14:25):
Now we got another brit weighing in.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Let's hear something from Dez, shall we.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Hello Enan Lena. I'm writing it as a British listener,
as requested to discuss the accents of the of two
of the most incredible characters to ever grace our screens.
It is possible that other British listeners would disagree with
me for this, but I will say Spike's accent is
overall not that bad. I wouldn't praise it, maybe quite

(01:14:51):
as much as you both did, but it's but it's
definitely passable, fun, a little hammed up, but that kind
of just go the character. I was very young when
I watched Buffy, and I think I did believe to
some degree that James Marsters was British. This was reinforced
when I later saw him in the Doctor Who spin
off Torchwood, where he also plays English.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Oh my god. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
If you haven't seen Torchwood, I strongly recommend it. James
Marsters only appears in series two and honestly plays a
very similar character to Spike, only less Gothan, more horny.
You were, of course correct about Drusilla's accent. It is
jaw droppingly ah inspiringly bad and I love every minute
of it. The other question which came up was whether

(01:15:37):
Spike and Drisilla count as British white trash, and if
there is a term for British white trash, I would
say that the closest thing I can think of here
would be chaff. However, chav has kind of fallen out
of vogue due to general tones of classism and also
I would not describe Spike and Driuscilla as chavs or
white trash. They are just grungey London punk rocker tie.

(01:16:00):
As you stated with the Sid and Nancy parallel, just
around off with some general gushing. I've been an avid
listener of the pod since about twenty twenty two during
the Glee days, and I was so happy when you
decided to carry on and do Buffy because, in all honesty,
I care about Buffy way more than I could ever
care about Glee. No offense right and Murphy. I am
so flipping excited to dig into season two, but even

(01:16:22):
more so to get to certain juicy events in later seasons.
I love and hate that you're doing no spoilers for
the newbies and thus edging the longtime Buffy fans in
the audience. Honestly, it's God's work and I'm so glad
to have a weird para social relationship with you both.
Hope you both have a great week. Blessings Des Brighton
UK international.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Listener love Edging.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Sorry, I love to. If there's one thing you know
about us, it's that we love to edge. This Edging podcast.
This is actually a podcast about edging.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
It Welcome to Sleigh and the Edging Podcast, a queer
edging podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
It's a queer edging podcast. So we have we have
Joe who's very strongly against Spikes Accent, we have Vicky
who is pro Spikes Accent, and we have Dez who
seems to be like, does his stance seems to be
like I clocked that he's American? Yes, but it doesn't
it not in a way that like bothers me or

(01:17:24):
like takes me out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Yeah, totally okay, So maybe that's a different category or
a point towards.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
So maybe it's a three way tie.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Jerry still out is James Marsters British? He could be.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Well, no, let's hear from another listener, shall we. Also,
I haven't been saying thank you, thank you to everyone
who said us emails.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Dez. Up next, we've got a message from Maya.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Hidin and Ian. My name is Maya and I'm from London.
I just wanted to say that you guys intrigued me
since day one when the glean of Sounds was happening.
Your love of musicals and TV shows and pop culture
immediately got me hooked So when I heard you mentioning
Buffy and how you thought about doing a Buffy podcast,
let me tell you I was excited since I'm one
of the few people who are in that small Glee

(01:18:18):
Stan and Buffy Stan then diagram. It's really interesting how
different your discussions of Glee season one and Buffy season
one are. Especially with how critically acclaimed seasons one and
two of Glee are, you still had so many problems
with that show's writing and characters that I agree with.
Then to compare it to Buffy season one, which is
universally panned, You've had nothing but praise for To that,

(01:18:40):
I say, keep it up. Of course, criticism is valid,
but it's actually refreshing to see people being so positive
online about TV shows once in a while. I also
wanted to mention that when you called Sheila and that
me Pine nots Spike and Drew, but white trash, you
then came to the conclusion that Spike and Drew were
British white trash. You didn't know what British white trash was.

(01:19:02):
I'm going to tell you right now the two words
that are the near equivalent of British white trash.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Are chavs, shout out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
And roadmen chad is usually used to describe women and
roadman to men, but they are both slaying used to
describe lower class white people who try to act tough
and aggressive but are really trashy and foolish. Here in
England now, chav slush roadmen are longtime slang words, but
they do have some negative connotations. Firstly, if not used

(01:19:32):
in the right context, these words could be used to
describe every lower class British person as one monolith, and
that's pretty derogatory. Secondly, there's also the case that when
someone calls another American white trash, you picture southern redneck
who has a maga hat, whereas chaff slush roadmen we
in the UK picture a white person wearing hoop ear

(01:19:54):
rings and heavy makeup, wearing baggy clothes and sometimes speaking
in broken aave. Basically, they're culture vultures who try to
cause play black culture to see more threatening and that's bad.
But yeah, that's the term. I hope I explained that properly.
I don't know how to finish off my email after that,
but bye, I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
This is interesting. Oh, we're learning every day's brother, this
is very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
This culture exchange were happening we're having with England right now. Yeah,
I agree with the general sentiment that people have said
and that I don't think that Spike and Drew actually
fit into what we were discussing totally talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
I can see that too.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Although like, I don't know that she Leat and me
Pie are classically like no, the world may.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
Never know the world may never know, and everyone. I
think this is good. I think we all get our
own opinion. I think that's like and that's like podcasts.
Thank you so much for being so nice about how
we talk about Buffy and listen to this. If we
had to redo Glee, I don't know that we would
be as critical anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Oh, I really agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
I think that's just you and I is different attitudes now.
I think we're coming into it with an open heart now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
And I also I have a thing about me. I've
talked about this before where like if something is getting
too much praise, I'm like, I actually now need to
point out what's wrong with this? And then if something
is getting too much criticism, and I'm like I need
to prove ent what's good about this. It's like some
stupid contrarian, like I need to prove I'm the smartest
person in the room. Thing, and so I think that

(01:21:31):
is part of it is that Glee season one and
two are just so frankly rightfully so yeah, of course,
are like so beloved that my knee jerk reaction is like,
well what about this, this and this? And then with
Buffy I have to be like, you guys don't get it.
Season one's actually good, like there's good stuff going on.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
I totally get that. I also feel like, just for
me personally, like you know, I'm more comfortable admitting that
I like things and admitting that you know that things
can be bad about it, but I don't. That doesn't
like negate my good feelings towards it so now especially
like and I also like life is too hard, like
let me have some fun, My.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
God, I do agree. I feel like if we were
to cover gleed.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Today very nicer. Honestly, even listening to the pie. When
we listen back to the pilot, I was like Jesus
Christ for coming in. Genuinely, if we had to redo it,
there is one hundred percent no way we would be
as critical as we were.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
There's no way, well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
I even remember watching Buffy live. There are certain things
that I remember being like, this is stupid, and then
watching it now being like what was my issue? Also
watching Buffy live, I didn't watch it live. Watching I mean, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Yes, totally. I also feel like, I don't know, like
the older I get and the more I read, and
the more I watch movies, and the more I like.
You know obviously that I think that can make a
person more critical, but I also feel like I'm also
recognizing why things are put in and while I might
not enjoy it, I still like I'm seeing what they're

(01:23:07):
trying to tell me. I'm kind of becoming more aware
of story structure and the like, if that makes sense. Yeah,
but thank you, thank you for enjoying. I'm glad that.
I'm glad you enjoyed Glee and you're enjoying this.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
With us too.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
We got I can't remember where we got this message.
I don't know if it was an email that accidentally
got like erased, or if it was like a DM
or something. I don't remember where it is, but we
did get another British person and I wish I could
shut you out once again. I can't track down the
message that said that, in their opinion, Spike's accent was

(01:23:45):
convincing when he had the prosthetics on. I remember seeing that,
but then as soon as it's just James Marsh's face,
you can tell he's American. Yeah, so I do feel
like the eyes have it and that you can tell
he's American, but I was still gagged.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
I found it. I found it. It's on Patreon.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Oh okay, it's on Patreon.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
It was Danny as a brit spikes accent is better
than Drew's. I don't buy. I didn't buy hers for
a second. Initially I bought that Spikes actor was British
until he was out of vamp face. Admittedly, by the
by that point i'd googled it. I think Spike's accent
is better with vamp teeth than it is when he
is looking human, But maybe that's just me. This is

(01:24:26):
the only episode I've seen so far, so I'll keep
you posted. Oh my gosh, please post it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
You're going to trick yourself into believing he's British and
that we have been gaslighting you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
No, and that's the thing, and God knows we are not.
We don't get a vote. We don't get a vote. Maya,
thank you so much for your email. Up next, let's
hear from Carson.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Hi, Ian, and Lena, longtime gleek and first time Buffy
watcher here. I have really enjoyed the show so far,
and it's so fun to continue to hear you guys
gushing about a topic you love so much. Your energy
is infectious. Also, the fashion in the show iconic. When
watching schoolhard, something has really tickled me that I need
to share with y'all. When the Vamps are attacking the school,
Giles tells Xander to sneak out the back and go

(01:25:10):
get Angel. My question is where does this man live?
Does Xander know his address? And how would he know
how to get there? Is he going and knocking on
his front door? I think that would have been a
hilarious scene building up the relationship between Angel and Xander.
Then I watched ahead to the next episode and Willa
tells Giles to call Angel to help investigate what's going on.

(01:25:34):
Do they even have his number? Do we think he
has answering machine messages? It seems he is always appearing
from the ether, and the thought of him answering a
landline phone is almost too humanizing, Andrew said in Hearing
your thoughts on the Silly Little Idea, I'm loving the
pod and I'm excited to continue watching Carson. She her

(01:25:54):
person love this. These are the questions we going to
be talking about. Absolutely, this is a very important thing
that no one is discussing, which is does Angel have
a landline?

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Yeah? Like, did he have to go into like a
phone company and set that shut up?

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Probably?

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
What's his ID say?

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
What does his ID say?

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Hello?

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Do you think there's like a dealer?

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
I think he has a fake ID for like vamps. Yeah, honestly, genuinely,
I think there's probably a vamp dealer in in the
larger Buffy verse. There are so many like humans that
interact with demons on a kind of like business level.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Oh my god, yeah, that I would absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
I mean the cops are involved, hello, Honestly, and this
is coming from someone who like didn't have a fake
I d didn't have my first sip of alcohol until
I was twenty one. But I think it's also, like
I've heard, pretty easy to get a fake ID, so
I'm sure there's like someone to give him a fake idea.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Yeah. No, As far as where he lives. Xander does
know where he lives, because Xander went to his apart
and prophecy girl and famously said, mind if I come in,
and then burst right in to rub an Angel's face.
He doesn't need permission. But how did he know where
Angel lived and provacy girl? No, seriously, because giving Buffy's

(01:27:14):
never been to his place as far as we've seen,
he just shows about her place. I think Angel has
a calling card, He has a little business card. When
he vanishes, he Justxedo mask.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
He's like Touxedo mask from from sailor Moon. He like
throws a rose down, but instead of like he just
starts a calling.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Cards down exactly that. Every time they're like talking and
they turn around the Angel's gone, and they're like he
left another fucking calling card one yeah, and then his landline, like, Hi,
you've reached Angel the Vampire.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Yeah. What kind of landline did he get? Does he
have like does he still have a rotary phone? Does
he have one that's like attached to the wall. Does
he have like a little like contact card on top
of the land line, like with like emergency contact information
and like need to know numbers?

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Do you think he has a gag answering machine, where
he's like, hello.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Hello, I can't hear you such a jerk.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Oh, I can't hear you because I forgot to answer
the phone.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
Leave a messagetae mad you guys, you don't even know Carson.
This email was so fun and you're asking the right questions.
Thank you. Up next, we've got a message from Lauren.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
This message is titled Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. I love y'all
so dearly, but I've got a very very urgent question.
Where is when she was Bad? She was horrid and
we loved it from? Is that a recovering Greek original?
I listened to When She Was Bad recently and have
been quoting this literally constantly. I've begun a cross stitch

(01:28:52):
with this miraculous message. I've started discussions about how incredible
it is that a classic poet would write such a thing.
I looked at the real poem ten minutes ago and
have been crying laughing ever since. After fully believing that.
Ian called my favorite genre bad but fun B movies,

(01:29:14):
as in the insect B. You'd think I would learn
to google things before sharing. I just had to share that.
But in all seriousness, yell are incredible. I had never
watched Glee until I listened through season two of Recovering Gleek.
And that's also when I started Buffy after hearing y'all
hype it up. Lastly, the Pack is my favorite episode
so far. I'm sorry. The dormant seventh grader inside me

(01:29:37):
loves Xander in it. She's toxic. Stay tuned for the
finalized cross stitch Love My God from Louisiana.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Please.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
I don't know what version of that poemy looked up,
because in the original version Henry Wadsworth Longfellow does say
when she was bad, she was horrid and we loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
That's a direct quote.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
That's a drug quote from Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. I think
maybe you were like on a it's like a mistranslation,
like I got translated to something else and then back
to English. I don't know. No, that's so it's just us.
It's when she was that she heard. It reminds me
of episode five of this podcast. We talked about the
Roads Not Taken. Yeah, and we consistently the entire episode

(01:30:23):
A refer to the Glee episode as the April Roads
Not Taken, which is not the episode and then refer
to the Robert Frost poem as the April Roads Not Taken,
which is not what that poem is called. It does
not say that at all.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Okay, and that is so that's one of my favorite
things to do with you, specifically, is to make it
just lies, so very earnest, keep going, and.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
That's it is. It is the iowat the Berri quote
where she's like, I think my favorite kind of joke
is just a lie. Like there's just something that tickles,
that tickles me so badly about saying something ridiculous, and
then just moving forward that she has reality.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
I'm the goat, I'm the donkey from ban She's up
an a sheer in and like fully, honestly it's like, well.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
Yeah, and also like leaned into being irish so hard
that now.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Exactly, Oh my god, I love that girl.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
But no, the the poem is when she was bad,
she was horrid, and we loved the episode and so
therefore and we love it. We loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Please send me a picture that is so far up
my alley. You have no idea. I'm obsessed. It was
such a thrilling email to receive, and.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
I do think the crustage is better for it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
Yeah, my god.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
I'm obsessed with that. I also want to see the
finished crustache. I think it's gonna be fabulous.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
And also I hope, I hope I can be you
know what I was bad? It was herd and we
can love it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
I hope we all can be bad and horrid and
we love it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Isn't that what you want out of life is to be?
Is that when you're bad, you're horrid and everyone loves it.
What more could you want out of life?

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
More? Could you want it?

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
On?

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Well, something more that we could want is for y'all,
like keep sending us emails ding ding You can emails
at recovering glik jail dot com. We love to get
the emails. Truly, this is an influx this week. Yeah,
we were thrilled. I loved every time a new email
came in. Thank you to all of you who were
who wrote in.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
And thanks for teaching us so much. I feel like
I really went to school today.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Yes, that's the other thing. One. I just love to
hear from listeners no matter what. But also, like Leen
and I have had very similar life experiences. Yeah, and
so I love to get a perspective that means so
much more than ours on a certain topic, like does
James Marster sound British?

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
We can talk until we're blue in the face, but
it means two percent as much as an actual British
person's thoughts on a topic. So please keep you going
and now back to your regular schedule programming.

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Do you just not have an Instagram follow us? Please
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You don't follow us on Instagram, please message us and
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Actually, while you're there, click follow.

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We are at rg Presents Underscore Podcast there as well.
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Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
Hello.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
If you like this podcast, please rate and review it
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couldn't tell you a single thing about Reptile Boy. This
will be as if I'm watching it for the first time.
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
Are you serious at all?

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Hello, you're kidding, You're kidding. I this episode is imprinted.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
On my brain.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
I've got it all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
No memory. This is at this point the first episode
where I have no concept of what happens in it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
Us and tell your friends please.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
Did you ever have a foiming shade student?

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
Oh yeah, definitely. Not in my home. No, not my home,
but like at school for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Yeah, no, I had. I had a school.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
You got so excited at the idea of.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Me because it was trilliing to consider.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
Yeah. I never did.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
No, I easily could have just like told my parents, like, hey,
I think this would be cool. I also like think
it would have been fun for me to do it somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Did you ever want to do that?

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
Oh my god, yeah of course. Well, if you live
in another country you want to house us, let us know.
But don't send a mummy to kiss me at the
bus stop. Don't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
I've learned my lesson.