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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
So they are call it conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome to some darcolic conspiracy with Brentlee and Neil Sanders.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
As the planet spirals into a fascist dystopia, we thought
someone really should keep a record of this decline so
that when the aliens are sifting through the ashes of
civilization they might be able to see where it all
went wrong.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
This is the world according to some or as.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
All the hepcats are calling it twat. So just before
we carry on a tiny bit of housekeeping. The dose
kid with the website Edward Korstein is not the same
one who posted that he was prooud to be racist.
That was Marco Elise, the kid with the website that

(00:59):
hegvps and had those quite strange domain names running through it.
I think it was called Tesla sexy dot com. That
was Edward Chorustine. And also the milo Unopolis stuff that
was from a thread by Esoteric Shaggyism on Twitter. So
just to give them the correct credit. So we're now

(01:23):
on to February the eighteenth, and ah Elon Musk his
musk Rats. They're still sort of, you know, chewing away
at all the little wires and causing fuss and you know,
destroying the solidity of the infrastructure of America essentially. But
one person wasn't having it, the Acting Social Security Commissioner.

(01:47):
Basically he exits the agency. It's not entirely clear whether
he jumped or was pushed, probably a little bit of both, basically.
And this was because the DOGE kids are going in
their demanding data and people's benefits data and stuff like that,
and she was just not having it. Michelle kee King, Sorry,

(02:11):
Michelle King. She'd spend decades at the agency before her
departure this week amid an ongoing battle between her agency
and DOGE, which made several attempts to access highly sensitive information,
according to several media reports citing government sources. Nancy Oldman,
who heads up the group Social Security Works, which promotes
the expansion of the program, told The Washington Post what

(02:35):
I know is that DOGE wanted to access to the
SSA's sensitive files the same way that they're trying to
do it labor and at the Treasury, and the acting
Commissioner wouldn't give it, and she was replaced. She noted
to The New York Times that the data includes our
bank information, our earnings records, the names and ages of
our children, and much more. She went on to tell

(02:58):
the New York Post, so the Washington Post, there is
no way to overstate how serious a breach this is.
And there's a lot of like shit that's flying around,
right okay, that people are like.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
What, he's got so much money, he's a billionaire. He's
not interested in your Social Security payments? It's like, okay,
several things, right, Okay, This idea that somebody who is
a billionaire is not interested in occurring wealth is ridiculous.
So then why didn't you stop ages ago? Why is
he demanding that payment from the board of Tesla?

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Like, of course, he's obsessed with money, that's his obsession.
He wants to become a trillionaire. Right, Okay. But here's
the stillly thing. Okay, he's he's not stealing your social
Security money. Okay, That's not what this is about. It's
about data. That data is incredibly valuable because it can

(03:56):
be used in all sorts of marketing ways and analysis
ways in order to essentially see how you're behaving and
in the in the sort of least sort of sinister way,
which is still sinister, suggest which products suit your lifestyle
and which adverts would be best catered towards you. And

(04:17):
this is one of those bullshit things really, like, particularly
in the conspiracy crowd. It's like we've spent years worrying
about things like that that Julian Sanngier Wiki leaks had
exposed and Edward Snowdener exposed, and when we were all
like suspicious of points cards that TESTO and stuff like that,
because that Yeah, because essentially it was okay, there was

(04:41):
a degree of sensible reaction to that it was being
used to.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Creating your data to mind what it is that you
were buying, it's how much.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
You are, yes, exactly, there is there's a huge amount
that people can can can take from this. Everybody sort
of lost their shit as well when they realize that basically, like, Okay,
we've been rallying against the micro chip population and like
surveillance society and stuff like that. But on the other hand,
I can get into arguments with people really really easily
on my phone, So I want to do that, So

(05:17):
we'll just pretend that that's not a big thing. It
amazes me when people were going going on about like, oh,
there's micro chips and the vaccines and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Oh, Marctship population.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
It's like, what are you on about? What are you
on about? You've literally got to track it about your location,
siven on so that you can use your Google maps
or whatever. Like it's it's it's absolutely ridiculous like that.
For some reason people have decided, oh, we like elon
mask and so there's absolutely nothing sinister about this. If

(05:47):
there was nothing sinister about it, and then why would
these agencies and checks and balances and regulatory oversight you
set up in the first place. Okay, it's there to
protect people. And it all boils down to this. I've
even seen this trotted out on Twitter. Well, if you've
if you've got nothing to hide, you shouldn't be afraid
of anything. It's like, fuck off, I then find send

(06:11):
me photos of of your wife naked if she's got
nothing to hide. Oh, it's nothing to do with that,
is it. It's about privacy, isn't it. And just like
you know the fact that people are entitled to privacy
and entitled not to be manipulated behind the scenes by
people that have got a track record of being wankers.

(06:36):
Like it's just ridiculous speaking of people who've got a
track record of being wankers. Stu Peters decided to call
Alex Jones a sellout in response to Cary did his
speech that David Ike also called him out where he
was he was really cross and he was like he

(06:57):
was angry that people thought he was sucking on Elon
Musk Sweeny and then he for some reason degenerated into
this fantasy of biting Elon's nose off after he let
him out of a tank of water.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, yeah, please tell me.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Remember like he was doing that thing about like everyone's
saying that I'm here and I'm sucking off Elon. If
a five hundred pound gorilla was holding you under the water,
and it's like, which at the time we didn't mention it,
but it's like that's cruel, Like a gorilla could kill
you with its bare hands. It doesn't need to taunt
you by holding the water. That's judge holding levels of

(07:37):
sadistic like mania, like what's going on there?

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Like that?

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Where are these fucked up gorillas to Alex Jone's nose?

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Like?

Speaker 3 (07:46):
But anyway, so Stu Peters, who's desperate for attention all
the time and hasn't put any wraps out for a
long time, you know, yes, shame Focus. He was very bad.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
At these days.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, absolutely, come on, Stu, reinvigorate your ship music career,
do it for humanity.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
But but anyway, if you're listening, whoever is listening, if
you don't, haven't heard it, Oh yeah, Focus, but it's
f O K I s s. Look up any Focus
music video and he's at a fighter.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
I bet he's not even clever enough to have done that,
like like like honestly, he's ship. He's like the worst
sort of He's like your mate that would like wrapped
you break at school. He's like, well that line is
ripped off from Cypress Hill and that I'm not as
clever version of that eminem rhyme is. And all of
this is terrible and you've got no flow. That's the problem.

(08:56):
It's so stifled and did and that's the key to
being good at rap is to be able to be
on beat but also to flow over it like a
horn section or something like that. Like Biggie Smalls is
particularly good at that. Focus is not. But anyway, so

(09:17):
he's posted this thing saying that Alex Jones has sold out,
and for some reason, Alex Jones decides to clap back,
and I think this is because, like previously Stu Peters
has been on Info Wars. It was a long time ago.
He was on during COVID and I forget exactly what
he's ranting about. Some bullshit, some utter nonsense. I think

(09:38):
this was even before he'd come up with the concept
of the snake venom and being in the water causing
the virus, obviously, because that's the most sensible thing. But anyway,
Alex Jones comes back and says, the government is adopting
my ideas. We're doing great things. I love what Elon

(09:59):
is doing. Sold out to no one but God. And
you are a person who waste spelt wrong as in waste,
not as in around your waist rather than waste, who
waste your time twisting stuff to suit your agenda.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
Good luck now the irony any other fans of knowledge
by will be pissing themselves right now too.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah. Absolutely, But I always I sold out to no
one but God? Is that him calling Elon gard the
government is adopting my ideas? Fuck off, Alex James. If
the government is not adopting your ideas like which which ideas?
Which ideas?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Like what they're going to do the ideas that he
was right about. Oh, Alex was right.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Jar the is gonna have is Jenny Van's going to
stand on the border and bullhorn Mexico. Is that? Is that? That?

Speaker 1 (10:56):
What it is?

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Like? Yeah, uh hmmm h So I just had a
thought come into my head, like the the profanosaurus in VIZ,
we weren't sent off. We weren't sent off bullhorning. It's
a it's like dirty words and stuff like that, Like

(11:18):
I can't think they've all sort of fell out of yeah,
like a thesaurus, but just full of dirty, dirty words
and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
How would that be drawn in VIZ?

Speaker 3 (11:35):
It would be kneeling? But but anyway, so we weren't
sent off an entry which was bullhorning, which was the
sexual act of screaming into your partner's anus, which is
not a real thing as far as I'm aware, but
like you know, it conjures a very vivid image. Anyway,
So Alex Jones is deluded and like the government is

(11:57):
adopting my ideas. We're doing great things like which ideas
like putting people in camps, sending people to camp x ray,
like creating a prison planet. As Alex Jones has described
this as Venezuela. He described on info Wars. He says, yeah,
we're creating a prison planet, created with seemingly forgetting the
fact that that used to be the name of his
fucking website.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, and they were creating the prison planet. We were
supposed to break it apart.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, apparently not now apparently. No, no, now, now it's cool.
We want to send to jails in Venezuela, and we
also want to send them to Camp x Ray. But
not because we're evil or because we're racist, obviously, it's
because they're dangerous criminals, perhaps some of them. Maybe you know,
he's well thought out. It's like it's a you know,

(12:47):
it's a It's stupid, isn't it. It's absolutely stupid, and
it's shameful behavior from Alex Jones. But I've got sneaker
suspicion that won't be the last shameful shit that Alex
Jones does. A Right, have you ever been to a
first still bent? Yes? Yeah, yeah, reading? There you go, Right,

(13:07):
so you've been you've been to either reading or leads
on a Saturday afternoon, right, Okay, So it's so it's
almost guaranteed. In fact, I'd put money on it that
you'd seen Placebo play at least fucking once, like probably everything. Ready,
I went to the Placebo seemed to be on their
watched them, no, no, but but yeah so absolutely yeah,

(13:34):
yeah totally but but but Perceivo would have been there
doing their thing such as it is. Anyway, Kate, I
think that's good. The only thing I know about Brian Milco, Okay,
I don't. Yeah, I do dislike them. They just weren't.
They just weren't my cup of tea. They are more
indie than than I was willing to put up with

(13:58):
at that point. And also he has this stupid thing
of like a friendly needs a friend, indeed a friend
with and he does this thing where it will change
like one word of the thing and it's like it
pisces me off, and rappers do that, pisses me off,
and grind rappers do that. Definitely going to piss me off,
and fucking Brian Malco does it in his reedy voice
to sort of like unimpressive guitars. But anyway, like, the

(14:22):
only story I know about him really is that after
playing rock City, which is in Nottingham, he went out
on the town and tried to get into the hotel
and they refuse to let him in and threaten to
call the police because they assumed that he was a prostitute.
For those that don't know, Brian Malco used to address
in women's clothes, like what was that? That was what

(14:45):
was their first story of the song? Nancy girl, Nancy yeah,
Nancy boy? Yeah, yeah, which is.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Which is okay?

Speaker 7 (14:55):
Yeah, it's all.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Right again, it's just like it's like they always just
like we've got the Manic Street Preachers at home.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
We'd probably liked them better than Manic Street Preachers. Here's
something I've never divulged. I was in a britpop band,
Fuck Off.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
The Men's.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Me and Warren, the guy who I formed The Prime with. Yeah,
we were both in a britpop band.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
First, what were you called?

Speaker 1 (15:33):
All right?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
The members of the band was Warren, Emily, Ben and Brent,
So we call ourselves Web.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
With two b's.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, it was before I joined and then I joined
it as an extra Bee.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
That was very fortunate.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
But we went from that obviously to the Prime, which
is like a scar wrap metal band.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, that's quite that's quite a shift in genres. So yeah,
like that's more jarring than when Pantera went from glam
to like good.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
I wasn't a punk band before. I was in a
brick pop band that that was just like kind of
old school Descendants, sort of DFL dead fucking Last sort
of style, maybe a bit suicidal tendencies, very less three
chords and really quick.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
And I was allowed to use any more chords than that.
Otherwise it's not punk exactly anyway, quite punk rock. Of
Brian Malco, he's basically been charged with defamation of the
far right Italian Prime Minister Georgia Maloney. Yeah, well, this

(16:44):
is the thing. Apparently he was playing at a festival
in Touring in twenty twenty three and he decided to
inform the crowd that he thought that Georgie of Maloney
was a piece of shit and a fascist racist, and
apparently said this in Italian, which is pretty impressive, Like,
but the problem is that that's true. She's a piece

(17:06):
of shit and she is a fascist racist. But apparently
this is a suable offense, you see. In August of
twenty twenty three, and Maloney sued Malco over the comments,
and prosecutors subsequently opened an investigation into the claims and
they have charged Malco with contempt of the institutions, which

(17:26):
is a bit that's that's one of those like maybe
the translations come through wrong, but that sounds a bit orwelly,
in contempt of the institutions, it's like Jesus Christ. It's
more actually that's that's that's more Atwood, isn't it Like
what's the one with all well yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,

(17:51):
like but yeah, like fucking hell is That's like the
sort of thing that they'd say in Gilead. But so
on Monday, Italians Justice Ministry allowed for executors in Turin
to move forward with the legal proceedings to Famer. The
Italian government parliament, courts our army carries a fine of
up to five thousand euros which is four thousand, one
hundred and forty six pounds, and a directs someone's trial,

(18:14):
although public defamation in Italy can carry a prison term
of up to three years. A spokesperson for Justice Minister
Carlo and Naudio, who said Malco is unlikely to receive
a custodial sentence. In May, the philosopher Donna Tally di Ceseri,
who was being sued by Maloney's brother in law for
comparing one of his speeches to Hitler's mind. Camp claimed

(18:36):
that her government was strategically using defamation suits to silence
public intellectuals. Maloney's first year in office recorded the highest
number of lawsuits against public participation, according to the European
Parliament's Civil Liberties Committee. So in September, the granddaughter of
Mussolini said that she was going to leave the Brothers
of Italy, which is the party that Maloney's attached to,

(18:58):
because it was getting too right wing, too right wing
for the descendant of Mussolini. That's that's quite right wing.
But yeah, but this is something that the conspiracy world
has singularly failed to take any notice of. You know,
they like Maloney because she's anti woke and anti refugee
and anti immigration and stuff like that. But again she's

(19:21):
using she's stifling free speech with aggressive use of of
the law. This is bullshit. You know, they talk about
this fucking concept of law fair against people like say
Tommy Robinson or who's the other one, like Alex Jones claims,
anyone that's basically like you know, been sort of like

(19:44):
told to be responsible for their actions, claims it's like
law fair using the law against you. And it's like
this is an example of that, this is a prime
example of that, and like, no one's going to touch it.
I was gonna touch it with the fucking plastic fishing right,
because they like Salvini even though he was clearly a
dickhead in a stege of Russia. And they like Maloney

(20:05):
even though she's clearly a dickhead in a stege of Russia.
And you know, for all this JD Vance and people
and say, oh, you can't say anything in England without
getting arrested. Fucked Georgie Maloney. She's a fascist, racist piece
of shit. So allegedly no fucker fucker in the air. Absolutely,

(20:25):
but I mean she's like, and you know, these terrible
people are in charge of shit at the minute. But
you know, he's not apparently in charge of DOGE Elon Musk,
excuse me, apparently according to the White House, they claimed

(20:48):
that actually Elon Musk is not in charge of DOGE.
So and this is from the New Republic. The White
House now claims that Elon Musk, the man who has
been using to cripple the federal government, actually has no
power over the pseudo agency. A three page court declaration
from the Trump administration far on Monday that the billionaire's

(21:10):
official title is actually Senior Advisors to the President, a
position that holds no actual or formal authority to make
government's decisions himself. And he isn't the head of DOGE
and he isn't an employee of DOGED either. Now why
would that be the case?

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Please enlighten me.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Well, it's it's this is a speculation, but it seems
obvious like it's so that he's not cause any lot.
He's not. He has no liability in any lawsuits that
are going to come from either people basically claiming that, Well,
a you being unconstitutional to be you're sacking people on
mass and see your actions are going to lead towards

(21:53):
deaths and have already led to to deaths. You know that,
And all sorts of problems like canceling funding to various
programs is going to come back to bite people in
the arts and for all of their talk of like
saving money and stuff like that, and they've still actually
shown no evidence of anything. They're cutting a lot of programs,

(22:15):
but that's not the same as finding fraud or anything
like that. Basically, it's it's ridiculous. But it also just
goes to show like this is a fucking incredibly corrupt government,
Like it's not even funny, Like it's it's ridiculous. You've
got a president essentially acting as a king, You've got

(22:38):
a foreign billionaire that is just upending all of the
Institution's got incredible conflicts of interest, and it's just it's ridiculous.
If this was happening in some sort of Africa country
or whatever, people would be rightly pointing out and saying, oh,
look at this corruption, look at this dictatorship, look at
this tin part nation. Right, Okay, But because it's it's

(23:02):
in America, people have got this bizarre cult like blindness
to it, and people just like, I'll tell you it's
something I saw today. Okay, this is not connected to
this story, but this is just an indication it was.
People were having an argument about it was actually about
jobs and job creation and how Donald Trump's amazing for

(23:23):
America and stuff like that, and everybody was on there
going like yeah, yeah, yeah, we love it. And somebody said,
I've just checked Grock, you know, the robot, and Grok
says that actually this is wrong and that Democrats add
far more jobs in fact, like I think it's fifty
times the amount of jobs, and that actually Republicans usually

(23:47):
create job deficits and stuff like this and for people
to lose their jobs and a mass unemployment. And they
also always always tank the economy. And do you know
what everyone's response was, Grook's right on that one, right, Okay, okay, So.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Where does what I thought they would say?

Speaker 3 (24:08):
But whether fuck does that leave you? Okay? If you
you first appealed to the authority, well, let's check with
the robot, and then when the robots says something that
you don't like, then you think. Also, let's not talk
about you can somewhat manipulate Grock by framing the questions
in different ways. I've got two very different answers from
essentially asking the same question in different ways. And so

(24:31):
you know, it's a it's a it's ridiculous, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (24:37):
I think?

Speaker 2 (24:37):
But hey ho, it's quite interesting actually though that Grok
would uh, I don't want to say Brock would say
because it's not an entity, but it would come up
with something like that because it's reference point is what

(25:00):
people post on Twitter, is that it doesn't really use
anything external. I don't think so, at least if I'm wrong,
please someone get into touch. But I'm aware, yes, and
you would expect that there would be more agreement with.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Their side, Yeah, on X.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
But Grock has still come back with a different answer.
So that's that's quite interesting.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Actually, well, it's just aggregating data, isn't it. But there
have been examples that people have already shown where Grock
has answered one way and people have started spreading it
around and go, look at the way that's answered, and
then someone's tinkered with something, and then when they ask
the same question, it gives almost diametrically opposed answer. Usually
about Eli must be in a dickhead that speaking of dickheads.

(25:55):
On Fairy nineteen, somebody else that the the right wing
crowd and the conspiracy crowd as well really really latched
onto for no good reason as far as I could see,
other than he was a massive homophobe. Brazil's Donald Trump

(26:17):
Jare Bolsonaro. Yeah, he's back in the news. It's not
going great for him. Well, he's been charged, you see,
with allegedly masterminding and leading a far right conspiracy to
cling to power in Brazil by orchestrating a military coup.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Oh yeah, you see.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Basically, the South American country's Attorney General, Paalo Gunet level
the charges against the radical right wing populist and several
key allies. On Tuesday night, he accused Bolscenario and six
key associates of leading a criminal organization with an authoritarian
power project. The alleged plot, he wrote included, now this
is interesting, a plan to poison Louis in cie Lula

(27:05):
du Silva and also to shoot dead Supreme Court Justice
Alexander the Maraes, who is a foe of the former president.
Whoa yeah, whoa yeah. So anyway, Bolscenario, who experts say
could face between thirty eight and forty three years in
jail if convicted, stands accused of crimes including being involved

(27:28):
in an attempted coupditar and an armed criminal association and
the vile a violent abolition of the rule of law.
Now it must be stated that Bolsonnario has repeatedly denied
breaking any laws, and on Tuesday he told reporters he
was not worried about these accusations, but he bloody well
should be because the Attorney General's office accused another thirty

(27:50):
three people of being part of this alleged plot, including
Bolscenario's former spy chief, the far right congressman Alexandre Ramajem,
his former defence ministers Jen Walter Braganetto and Jen Polo
Sergio Noguera, Dilo di Olivera, his former minister of Justice
and Public Security, and and Anderson Torres is former Minister

(28:13):
of Institutional security. Oh sorry, he's former Minister of Justice
of public security and as Torres and his former Minister
of Institutional Security Jen Augusta Hileno, and the former Navy
commander Admiral almir Garania. Santos Neto has denied involvement in
a coup plot, and the other men are yet to

(28:35):
publicly comment under their allegations. But so, what it looks
like is that basically his entire former government, particularly the
sort of people erring towards sort of military, decided, now,
fuck this, let's murder the new president, right, Okay, shoot
the Itney general dead and then just sort of carry
on being present.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
My goodness, this is this goes back to a previous
episode of TWATS when we were talking about cash Hotel
rounding up people and and like wanting more names from
the FBBI about who investigated January sixth, and we were
basically Trump and his allies going after his enemies. And

(29:23):
we were saying, then the only difference is that they're
not like rounding them from shooting them and killing them.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
But yeah, the Attorney General, like he compiled a two
hundred and seventy two page report, so there's some evidence,
and they said that Bolsinaro had been aware of this
alleged plot. So like, this is amazing, you know that
that something's fuked up when you'd bother to give it

(29:50):
a name, like you know, if we were planning on
like going away for we can go to see a
gig or like hanging out or something, we wouldn't call
it like Operation piss Up or something like that. Okay,
when you're when you're planning to take over the government
with a violent military q tutar and you call this

(30:11):
plan green and yellow dagger, it suggests that maybe maybe
you might be taking it seriously. And so apparently the
plan was to sow political chaos by assassinating top authorities,
including but not limited to the president and the Supreme

(30:33):
Court judge.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Does it say in there anywhere in there, like who
was going to be the people like pulling it off,
like as in like a false flag type of thing
where they're going to make it look like it was
a terrorist organization that didn't just because you just said
about them.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
So in confusion in that well, apparently they planned to
do it, and they found a massive, massive cache of weapons,
including all sorts of guns and explosives. The plan was
thought up and brought to the tension of the President
of the Republic Bolscenaro, who agreed to it. A document
claimed the plot cogitated using weapons against the Minister Alexander

(31:12):
Murraa de Marez and killing Louise in Salia Lulid de
Silver with poison. So it was they that they were
going to orchestra who was actually going to pull the
trigger or put the poison in his drink or whatever, or.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Get the blame. That's this is what I'm saying. Did
say that they were going to blame someone else for
it or we did it?

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Well, I don't know, that's interesting, but I don't I
would assume that they were just because say, yeah, we
did it, we're taking over for whatever reason, that they'd
have to come up with some sort of justification for it.
But like, if you're going to do something like that
and retain the sort of the presidency, you'd have to
admit to it because otherwise you'd have to do it

(31:54):
in an authoritary way of like, yeah, that's what happens, bitch,
like because if you did it, that would be hanging
over you for the rest of your life, that if
someone found out that it was actually you and you're
the only one with really motive to do it, particularly
if you basically get your job back. So yeah, it's yeah,

(32:17):
interesting basically. But then in the UK did this is
something basically Jess Phillips did. This shows that the fallout
from the influence of Elon Musk. If you remember that

(32:41):
Elon was saying that she was a genocide rate, a
rape genocide apologist, and that she'd essentially covered up for
crimes and she let victims of grooming gangs down and
that she should be sacked and imprisoned and blah blah blah.
Well you believe that this has an effect on the
real world, and The Guardian reported a devon man ended

(33:05):
up being jailed for sending emails to Jess Phillips MP so,
a thirty nine year old man has been jailed for
sending utterly deplorable emails to Safeguarding Minster Jess Phillips, only
one day after she was criticized by Twitter owner Elon
Musk on the platform. Jack Bennett from Seat to Devon

(33:26):
pleaded guilty to sending malicious communications to three people between
februe twenty four and January twenty twenty five, including the
Birmingham Yardly MP Exeter Magistrates Court on Tuesday, the Crown
Prosecution said that the email to Phillips was sent on
the second of January, one day after Musk said that
the MP deserves be in prison for denying requests to

(33:46):
the Home Office for a public inquiry into child sexual
exploitation in Oldham. And now the reason she she denied that,
which we spoke about on the show is that they'd
already been in an inquiry and they were still waiting
to implement the recommendations from that. After that she said
that they could do an inquiry and also she said

(34:08):
that Olden could do a local inquirer on their own.
So this has been totally misrepresented the press and by
Elon who called her a rape genocide apologist. Bennett also
sent racist and offensive emails to Sadik Khan, Mayor of London,
in February twenty twenty four and Matt Twist, an assistant
commissioner at the Met Police, in April twenty twenty four.

(34:30):
The court heard that Bennett's messages had started after he
became caught up in online right wing propaganda, which started
during the pandemic. The judge said, your angry, poisonous and
hateful rhetoric discloses the real disdain you held for ethnic minorities,
targeting especially Muslims and immigrants in your abuse. In tire
rates for Bennett, Caroline Salvator said her client had no

(34:53):
previous convictions and he presented as being neurodivergent and largely
socially isolated. She said that during COVID he became exposed
to right wing propaganda and became caught up in it.
He was encouraged to become incensed at various issues and
he found their phrases became part of his vocabulary. And

(35:13):
that's what happens, That's exactly what happens. Like we've we've
we've seen it. We've seen people that we used to
be friends with, like looking for answers frustrated, lashing out.
And again, the sad.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Thing is slogans, other people's slogans. Yeah, that's what happens here.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Mm hmm, spot on and and then and then the
sad thing as well is that this guy probably thinks
that he's or he's certainly at the time probably thought
that he was on the right side of things, do
you know what I mean? And he's not. Clearly he's not.
Like but but when you've got the richest and some
could argue, the most powerful man on the planet telling

(35:56):
you something and flooding an entire network like minded propaganda,
somebody who's looking for an identity, and the world is
potentially kicking their ass a little bit, because everyone has
their ass kicked by the world every so often. You
look for solace, and you look for companionship, and you

(36:17):
look for answers and it's ship. And it's despicable that
Elon Musk gets away with stuff like this because he
knows what he's doing. He absolutely knows what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
And yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Speaking of despicable shit, Steve Bannon is back in the
news and he had some choice words for Elon Musk, because,
as we know, he doesn't quite quite get on with Musk.
Can you can you guess what you called him? Or

(36:53):
the ballpark of where he's not quite happy with Elon
Musk of foreigner, Yeah, pretty much. He called him a
parasitic illegal immigrant. He said that Musk is a parasitic
illegal immigrant. He wants to impose his freak experiments and
play acts as God without any respect for the country's history,

(37:14):
values or traditions. And this is this is Bannon being
interviewed by the British news site Unheard, and this remark
appears to be in reference to previous reports that Musk
overstayed his original work visa in the US before achieving
his enormous success. Musk has denied the accusations, although Elon
Musk's brother will admit to it like whenever anybody asks him,

(37:37):
basically because he thinks it's kind of funny. But Bannon
goes on to say, Musk is the one with the
power at the moment. The Democrats are nowhere to be seen.
It's pretty evident that the president's using him as an
armor piercing shell. There's delivering blunt force trauma against the administrative,
administrative state. And this this is I mean it's kind

(37:59):
of true, but it's it's just interesting to see Steve Bannon.
And you know why Steve Bannon's crossed with Elon Why
I think it is.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
I just think it's because he's more popular.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Fuck, yeah, Bannon's not getting it. Banner's not getting these flowers.
Like they're doing what Bannon told them to do. In
twenty sixteen, even after Trump publicly fell out with Steve Bannon,
like they still like carried on his strategy of flooding
the zone with ship And I suspect that there's still

(38:35):
a connective tissue somewhere, like do you know what I mean?
Like this there's got to be, like there really has
to be. Basically, like if it wasn't for Steve Bannon,
nobody would have heard of Donald Trump, particularly his connections
to the mercers and such like that. But and his
role in Gamergate absolutely absolutely like Bannon is is like

(39:03):
it's a bit of a resputing character, like almost isn't
He's a move and a shaker behind the scenes, Like yeah,
it's uh, it's he's a sinister character.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Basically, he's like he doesn't get the publicity, Like he
looks like he looks like a human troll.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Well, this is that gonna say. He's like, he's like
Karl Rove's sort of opposite, like like if Carl Rove,
if there was an evil, an even more evil twin
of Carl Rove, he'd look like Steve Banner like like.
But as I said that, he is a little bit
of a resputing figure. And you know who else has

(39:47):
been described as a bit of a resputing figure?

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Hit me?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Alexander Dugan. Oh, yeah, see, Alexander Dugan is absolutely and
he has been described by more than one person as
Putine's Rasputin. Basically, he's he's a political strategist and a

(40:14):
philosopher essentially, and he's got some ideas about what Russia's
place in the world should be and about what the
world should be like, and if you know what those are.
It was very strange to see him being interviewed by

(40:34):
the person that he was interviewed, and in another sense,
it was perfectly reasonable that he was interviewed by this person.
So do you know who interviewed Alexander Dugan.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
There's so many swats to pick. I'm going to go
for Jordan Peterson.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Alex Jones. Oh, Alex Jones had fucking Alexander du Gon
on Info Wars like and it'll become explained as we
go on, but basically, like it was bizarre because alex

(41:13):
was just clearly sort of like is in reverence of
this guy, and he lies to him and tells him
that he's read all these books, which I know for
a fact is not true, which will come on too
in a bit. I honestly stick with this bit, but
he's really it's a really fawning, fawning interview. And also

(41:37):
Alexander Dugan's daughter was killed in a car bomb attack
and it's never been explained who did this. The suggestion
was it might have been somebody to do with Ukraine,
maybe because Dugan is seen as influential to Putin. Officially,

(41:58):
he's nothing to do with the the government, but there
are many many people that suggest that he is essentially
Putine's art strategist and and has ideas that have essentially
been really sort of used. And I said, well, come
on to that. But anyway, so alex has been really

(42:20):
really sort of like ham fisted about I'm sorry about
your daughter that got blown up and stuff like that,
which is like, which is a bit sensitive. Yeah, totally totally. Now,
he's not actually being insensitive, he's just being Alex Jane.
He is being insensitive, but he's not on purpose. He
thinks that he's actually being nice, but he just can't

(42:41):
help himself. And there's a couple of occasions in this
inter free ways, like he says something like.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
That, hold on, hold on, actually I've just he is
he is Bill Hicks. He's doing the Jackie O bit.

Speaker 7 (42:56):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Yeah, Jesus Christ. Wow. That yeah, incredible, incredible. So the
other thing is that basically, like Alex is in this
weird position at the minute where basically like, as far
as he's concerned, he's got everything he wants. He keeps
rating Elon Musk's performance and Donald Trump's performance, And do

(43:23):
you know how many out of ten he gave Donald Trump?
Eleven one hundred, one hundred out of ten. I think
he may have even recently uped it to a thousand
out of ten, which is very good. Isn't it that
that is like exceeds expectations?

Speaker 2 (43:42):
But maybe it's not. Maybe it's not Elon that we're
referring to as God here. Well, yeah, maybe it's Trump potentially.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
But he's back into a bit of a corner because,
like one, he's suddenly become a sicker fan for an
authoritarian oligarch and which goes against everything that he's talked
about for the last god knows how long. But also
he's trying to claim that basically, like Trump has worn,
so we've smashed the new world order and there's no

(44:14):
way that these globalists will win and have their authoritarian state.
And so he's kind of folks because it's like, well,
if you've won, what you're telling us about. So he
keeps going on, and he keeps trying to introduce this
concept Alexander Dugan, like, what are the bad guys going
to do to strike strike back? Since we're winning so

(44:36):
very much, the bad guys are going to strike back
at us at some point. And Alexander Dugan doesn't really
respond to this. He doesn't really play the game, to
be quite honest. But what he does say he says that,
like Trump, he wants Also he likes that Trump wants
beautiful buildings and architect architecture, and he compares the coming

(45:00):
Age of America to the Golden Age of Rome. And
so he's clearly not seen any of Trump's actual buildings
because they're fucking gaudy and tacky and shit. But he
also says Plato said beauty is the god. We could
not define what is beautiful or ugly without the touch

(45:22):
of the gods. I may have misheard he might have
said he might be good, but Plato basically connected beauty
to goodness, in which case he's fucking wrong, Like that's
not the case. This, this concept of beautiful is always
is right. It's just utterly nonsense, isn't it. Like you know,

(45:46):
look at something like a fox glove, like that will
kill you, but it's very very pretty. So but also dogan'slight. Obviously,
he's just flattering the fuck out of Alex And he's
basically given this idea that Trump is essentially like almost
akin to a god. But then he basically says that

(46:06):
the war in the Ukraine in the Ukraine was started
by Biden and globalists and it was actually a special
operation to destroy Russia. And the reason that the globalists
were trying to destroy Russia by starting the war in
Ukraine is because Russia is fighting the globalists and the
New World Order. Oh god, yeah, yeah, which is you know,

(46:27):
a historical at best. But Alex fucking loves this because
and he also laps up several things that Dougan says.
Dugan says that Russia promotes traditional values and that is
why the globalists against them, and it's like, which is
a very fairly obvious dog whistle too, they don't like

(46:50):
gay people in Russia. Now. Interestingly, like, one of the
things that they don't talk about in writ wing circles
is Muslim population is because apparently is that the big
problem in America and a big problem in the UK
and blah blah blah blah. What they don't tell you
is the percentage of the population that is Muslim in
Russia is far higher than in both those countries. It's

(47:11):
obviously as if they're fucking cherry picking stuff that they
like and stuff that they don't like. I got really
upset right the Tucker cars and keeps showing this fucking
video of him in like it Moscow Central Station or whatever.
It's like, look at this, this is very pretty blah
blah blah blah. During the pandemic, for some strange reason,
and I got obsessed with real estate videos and watching
people like looking at apartments in New York and they

(47:35):
all look the same. They're all tiny, and I got
fascinated by how much money people were spending for, like
how little stuff and how few clothes you're able to
own because you've got no storage space or stuff like that.
When I tied with that, I went onto the Russian ones.
Fuck me in Russia. Basically the majority of the buildings
old Soviet buildings, and essentially when you move into these,

(47:58):
they'd already furnished, so you do get the furniture, but
Christ on a bike of these old fashioned and dilapidated.
There's very good films Russia, films called Brother Brother Too.
If you go and watch that. Even He's gangs, even
the gangsters live in in buildings that are not considered
they're not plushed by by our standards. I'll put it

(48:20):
that way. Now, don't get you wrong. I'm sure that
Peutine lives quite well, but but the majority of Russians
do not live particularly well. And so this is this
is us a bullshit. Dougan also basically says that a
pedophile elite has seized control of the West. A bit
of a side. Do you know why he's Livinenko was

(48:43):
murdered by by Russia because he spread a story that
that Vladimir Putin was a pedophile. There's a video of
Vladimir Putin going up to a boy in a crowd,
but he's doing like a meet and greet, and this
boy is a toddler. For no good reason at a time,
he lifts up this boy's shirt and kisses his chest,

(49:05):
and off the back of that, Litvinenko wrote some articles
claiming that it was well known that Putin was a pedophile.
I have no idea if that's true at all, but
that was essentially the trigger that got them to kill him.
So yeah, But basically, Alex flashes pictures from nineteen eighty

(49:29):
four a Big brother, you know, in the two Minutes
of Hate where they show Big Brother's face at the beginning,
and he does this really classy thing where he flips
Big Brother's face for Zelenski, you know, the leader of
Ukraine and the fucking Iron have sat there talking to
somebody who's a political representation, if only unofficial, of Russia,

(49:54):
which is what nineteen eighty four was based on. Fucking
Alex is the most illiterate, uncultured fuck on the planet. Like,
whereas we have culture coming out of our ass. So
you know anyway. He also basically claims alex claims that

(50:14):
the EU have stated that they want to break up Russia,
which is not true. And then Doogan goes on to
say that God saved Donald Trump from assassination, which is like,
h did he did?

Speaker 7 (50:28):
He?

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Really like poor choice basically, and then interestingly, and alex
you must remember, is agreeing with all of this. Are
you never guess who Alexander Dugan accusers of ordering the
assassination of his daughter. Now he says that they did
use Ukrainian mercenaries to do it, but do you know

(50:51):
who he says actually sort of gave the order, um
Hunter Biden Boris Johnson. And oh as if that fucking
guy had had he was too busy being dressed up
and sent around in fucking tanks and stuff whilst the
civil servants were trying to stop him from fucking up

(51:12):
the country. Like Boris Johnson, has not got the wherewithal
to arrange a piss up in a brewery, like there's
no way he's a rangel an assassination of a further
foreign like dignitary's daughter.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Arranged it. He might signed the paper, could.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Have signed the paper, really, but like you know.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
What I mean, they would have to do, like.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
I think it's just barlocks, it's just pure speculation essentially.
But they also they both come up with this concept
that Zelensky will ultimately be killed by globalists who will
then blame it on Russia.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
And yeah, the false flag sacrifice.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Absolutely, although why, I mean why you don't need to
blame anything on Russia.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Russia?

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Like I don't know whether you've been paying attention, but
generally outside of right wing sort of like circles in America,
people's view of Russia is not what you'd call favorable,
is it? Like you know, and and a should This
is what interests me is like people keep talking about it.
Like the response that I've got is like, did you

(52:25):
in the conspiracy world? People are like, oh, oh, let
Russia have this land, and they'll come up with some
sort of like fucking stupid reason life they were bombing
their own Russian civilians in the don Bass. Oh they're Nazis,
oh oh oh. And it's like, did you support the
invasion of Iraq?

Speaker 2 (52:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Why did you not support the invasion of Iraq?

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Because it was an invasion?

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Fuck? Yeah a sovereign nation? Like and what what would
what was that? What was that? It was propaganderid lies
to give pretext to invade? Wasn't it? What weapons of
mass destruction? And al Keda wasn't it? Okay? So wow, yeah, yeah,
almost as.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
He remember, they were said, oh yes, we think Sadan
might have had something to do with nine to eleven.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Absolutely no, well absolutely yeah, but they were best buds
and stuff like that. But this is it and people
haven't got the capacity in the conspiracy was to go.
Maybe Russia is lying. They do have a little bit
of a track record for it. So anyway, Alex repeatedly

(53:39):
throughout this interview says that he's read Dugan's books. Now,
what is it if we were to sum up what
not currently but classic alex like, what was it that
he was always fighting against communism? Communism? And what was
it the communism was going to do? They were going

(53:59):
to create a new world order and this order order
was and globalism, as he talks about, it is a
state where one country has a sort of controlling interest
over the entire world or one idea or one ideology. Right, Okay,
So and remember he says that he's read Alexander Dugan's books.

(54:23):
I don't think he has read Alexander Dugen's books. John's now,
what's in Alexander Dugan's books.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
That he wants to create a new world order?

Speaker 3 (54:31):
You might want to strap in for this one. So
he wrote Foundations of Geopolitics in nineteen ninety seven, and
he credits General Nikolai Kotov of the Academy of the
General Staff as the co author and also his main inspiration,
although bizarrely this particular general denies this. Also General Leonard Issherhoff,

(54:58):
who's head of the International Department of the Russian Ministry
of Defense, helped to draft this book. So you know,
this is all this confusion about who Alexander Dugan actually is.
He's got intimate connections with people who are very high
up in the Russian Ministry of Defense and General Staff
helping him out with this book and helping publish it.

(55:21):
So Klokotoff, who's the general, stated that in the future
this book would serve as a mighty ideological foundation for
preparing a new military command. Dugan himself has assertained that
the book has been adopted as a textbook in many
Russian educational institutions. So former Speaker of the Russian State

(55:41):
Duma Jenade Selesniov, for whom Dugan was an advisor on geopolitics,
urged that Dugan's geopolitical doctrine who made a compulsory part
of the school curriculum. So that's how they take this
book kind of seriously basically. So, and this is why
I know Alex Jones has not read it, because the

(56:02):
book declares that the battle for the world of Russians
has not ended and Russia remains the staging area of
a new anti bourgeois, anti American revolution.

Speaker 7 (56:15):
Oh yeah, Trump would be both of those things. Oh oh,
you don't even know wait just wait, oh oh sorry,
let's go.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
No, no, no, very astupid like. So he's got this
concept of basically, this concept like what he wants to
create is the Eurasian Empire. Now, the Eurasian Empire, and
stop me if this sounds very much like the stuff
that the John Birch Society were going on about. Stop

(56:48):
The Eurasian Empire would be constructed on the fundamental principle
of the common enemy and the rejection of Atlanticism, which
is the strategic control of the US and a refusal
to allow liberal values to dominators. So this Eurasian Empire
will be based on a refusal to allow liberal values

(57:10):
to dominators. And he sees liberal values as part of
Atlanticism or this Americanization of the West, and so in
order to destroy Americanism, they've got to essentially destroy the
European Union, NATO, and America itself. So and remember Alex

(57:31):
Jameson has read this book, and remember that Alex Jones
is very concerned about the new world order. This book
loves America perhaps and also loves America. This book has
certain suggestions about what should be what should happen. Germany
comes out to me quite well. Basically, Germany should be

(57:51):
offered de facto political dominance over most Protestant and Catholic
states located within Central and Eastern Europe. So the callingrad
Oblast could be given back to Germany. And the book
uses the term Moscow Berlin access.

Speaker 6 (58:08):
Now.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
I don't know whether anyone's aware of the last time
there was a Moscow Berlin access, but it ended badly
for quite a lot of people. So Germany is essentially
going to be put in charge of Europe.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Now.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
France basically should be encouraged to form a block with
Germany as long as they have this firm anti Atlanticist tradition.
The United Kingdom, basically, which the book describes as an
extra territorial floating base of the US, should be cut

(58:43):
off from the European Union. Oh interestingly, and.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
He means that.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
He means that both geographically and as a trade block
and politically isolate England to reduce its power on the
world stage, and one of the key factors to do
that was to get it out of the European Union.
Finland Finland should be absorbed into Russia. Southern Finland will

(59:13):
be combined with the Republic of Karelais, and northern Finland
will be donated to the mermanst Oblast, which are areas
of Russia. Estonia should be given to Germany, which you
must remember is running Europe on behalf of Moscow. Latvia
and Lithuania should be given special status in the Eurasian

(59:37):
Russian sphere, although he later writes that they should actually
be integrated into Russia rather than than obtaining national independence.
So all those previous Russian things, which is interesting because
this is exactly what Putine said to Tucker Carlson. Isn't
it that they were going to do this Georgia, which
remember they invaded years ago, should be dismembered, and as

(01:00:00):
in United Assetia, which includes George's South a Setia and
Republic of North a Setia, will be can you guess
incorporated into Russia. He says that George's independent policies are
unacceptable to the Eurasian Empire. Belarus and Moldova. Can you
guess what his plan is for them?

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Back to Russia?

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Yeah? Part of Russia? Yeah, absolutely, Like there seems to
be a theme here Romania, North Macedonia, Serbia, Serbian Bosnia
and Greece. Orthodox basically, which he describes as the Orthodox
dox Christian collectivist East will unite with Moscow, the Third
Rome and reject the West. That now, let's see what

(01:00:51):
his plan is for Ukraine. I remember they wrote this
in nineteen to ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Ukraine definitely incorporated into Russia.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because Ukraine as a
state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or
universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness. It's certain
territorial ambitions represent an enormous danger for all of Eurasia.
Remember that Eurasia is the world run by Russia. And

(01:01:21):
without resolving the Ukrainian problem.

Speaker 5 (01:01:24):
Have we heard that phrase before? The Jewish problem that
was it? It is in general senseless to speak about
continental politics. Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent
unless it is Accordian senitaire, which would be inadmissible according
to Western political standards. As mentioned, Western Ukraine, comprising the

(01:01:47):
reasons of Vonnia, Galcia and Transcarpathia, considering its Catholic majority population,
are permitted to form an independent.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Federation of Western Ukraine, but this should be under Eurasian control.
He goes on in the Middle East, Central Asia. Now,
the book stresses that the continental Russian Islamic alliance, which
lies at the foundation of anti Atlantis strategy, is based
on the traditional character of Russian and Islamic civilization. What

(01:02:17):
the fuck did you just say? Alexander Dugan suggests the
Russians should team up with the Muslims to take over America.
But that would mean that alex Jones is a fucking idiot,
and it would mean that irony of ironies. He's got
the man that is essentially trying to create this new
world order that he's been talking about. For ages, although

(01:02:40):
in a different GUIs and for completely different reasons, and
he's praising him and telling him that he's read his
fucking books now it Ran.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
I'm speechless, man, I'm speechless.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
What do you think? What's alex has taken Iran?

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
God, is he going to say it's based?

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Well, well, traditionally alex Is basically said that Iran is
where fundamental terrorism comes from and that basically this is
actually what a state that is problematic. He's never actually
like in the same way in the ways that he
basically kind of said, Oh, Iraq was a bit of
a skapegoat. He fucking hates Iran. He absolutely hates Iran,
and particularly more recently with regards to like potentially backing

(01:03:29):
of terrorist organizations and such like that. Do you know
what Alexander Dugan says about Iran? It's based Iran is
to become a key ally to Russia, and the book
uses the term Moscow Tehran axis. Armenia is a special role.
It will serve as strategic base and it is necessary

(01:03:50):
to create the axis Moscow year of Iran Tehran. He
also pointss out that Armenians are pretty cool because they
are Airyan people like Iranians and Kurds. That's from Alexander
Dugan's book, which alex Jones claims to have read. Azerbaijan

(01:04:11):
could be split up or it could be given to
Iran Russia. Now Here we go, Russia needs to create
geopolitical shocks within Turkey, and these can be achieved by
employed in Kurds, Armenians or other minorities to attack the
rule in Turkish regime. The book regards the Caucus as

(01:04:33):
the Caucasus Mountains as Russian territory, including the eastern northern
shores of the Caspian, the terriers of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan,
and Central Asia, mentioning Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. They're
all going to be part of Russia again. In eastern
Southeast Asia, Dugan envisions the fall of China. It is

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the People's of China, which represents an extreme geopolitical dangers
and ideal logical enemy to the independent Russia Federation, must
to the maximum degree possible, be dismantled. Dougan suggests that
Russia starts by taking Tibet, in a Mongolia and Manchuria
as a security belt. Russia should offer China help in
a southern direction. Indo China except Vietnam, the Philippines, Indonesia,

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and Australia should be given to China as geopolitical compensation.
So let's just like, okay, we're not finished. But this
plan is to Russia take over the entirety of Europe,
cut off the UK from the EU as a trade
and as an ideological entity. Have Germany rule over Europe

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on behalf of Russia, take back all the previous Soviet Union,
expand Iran, give certain countries to China, and use Muslims
in order to overthrow the West. He goes on, Russia
should manipulate Japanese politics by offering the Career Islands to

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Japan and provoking anti Americanism to be a friend of Japan.
Mongolia should also be absorbed into the Russia into the
Eurasian sphere. The book emphasizes that Russia must spread geopolitical
anti Americanism everywhere. The main scapegoat will be precisely the US,

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who's massively unpopular on an international level at this precise second,
mister Trump, yeah yeah, And also they have plans for
the United States of America, Dougan, because he's sort this out.
So what are these plans for the United States. Russia
should use its special services within the borders of the

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United States and Canada. Now you're going to love this.
I'm waiting to fuel instability in separatism against neoliberal globalist
Western himan such as, for instance, provoke Afro American racists
to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of

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affairs in the current present day system of the United States.
Things like I don't know George Floyd, or a hatred
of Black Lives Matter, or a hatred of immigrants, that
type of thing. Russia should introduce geopolitical disorder into internal
American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social,

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and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements, extremist, racist,
and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the
United States. It would also make sense to simultaneously support
isolationist tendencies in American politics. He's describing Alex Jones and

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Tim Poole and Dave Rubn and all the people that
took money from Tenor and all the people This book
is thirty years old, and all the people that basically
like a creating dissent anti LGBT stuff, but the reinization
of traditional anti liberal values. So Reuter's wrote a little

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bit about him as well, so that Dugan has long
advocated the unification of the Russian Speaking and other territories
in a vast new Russian Empire, which he wants to
include Ukraine. In his book The Foundations of Geopolitics The
Geopolitical Future of Russia, Dugan was fiercely critical of the
US influence in Eurasia and called for Russia to rebuild
its own authority in that region and advocated breaking up

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the territory of other nations. The book featured on army
reading lists, but there's no indication that Dugan has ever
had direct influence on Russian foreign policy, except for all
the fucking things that he asked for have happened. Dugan's
influence over President of Vladimir Putin has been subject for speculation,
with some Russia watchers asserting that he Sway's significance, but

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many calling it minimal. He has no official ties, but
the United States had imposed sanctions on Dougan in twenty
fifteen for being responsible for or complicit actions or policies
that threatened the peace, security, stability, or sovereignty or territory
of the integrity of Ukraine. In a statement in March,
the US Treasury said that his Eurasian Youth Union christ

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He's got a Hitler youth actively recruited individuals with military
and combat experience to fight on behalf of the self
proclaimed Dnets People's Republic in Eastern Ukraine. So you know
all that talk about, oh, the UK's were bombing their
own civilians, No, they were bombing the fucking Eurasian Youth Union.

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Dougan controls Geopolitica, a website that serves as a platform
for Russian ultranationalists to spread disinformation and propaganda targeting at
Western and other audiences. The US Treasury has previously stated,
so just to recap Alexander Dugin's plan from nineteen ninety
seven was to invade Ukraine in order to start recreating

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the world in the eyes of traditional Russian values, which
essentially means that the Russian controls the entirety of Europe
through Germany as its proxy. It isolates America and uk
making them pariah states and making it completely ineffective on

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the world stage, it expands Iran and uses Muslims in
order to overthrow Western Americanism. It then gives a lot
of Asia and Australia to China in order to appease them,
whilst taking over large sways of China, installing anti American

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sentiment in Japan, and essentially ruling the entire planet. Alex
is a fan.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
But maybe I'm using in Alex's logic here. Maybe it's
because Alexander Dugan it's a psychic remote viewer. Could be
and he saw what was going to happen. He hasn't
planned this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
It could be. It could be that. But thank heavens
that like this, like admittedly crazed plan for Russia domination
of the entire planet and all the sort of intricacies
within it. Thank heavens that hasn't been taken seriously by
the top brass in America except for the President. Obviously.

(01:11:44):
You came out on the same day and decided to
blame the Ukraine for the war. Yeah, you know, you
know that war where Russia invaded. Well, Trump basically blamed
Kiev for the invasion. Yeah, so Trump blamed Kierre for
Moscow's invasion, even as he said that he was more

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confident of a deal to end the war after US
Russia talks, claiming Ukraine could have made a deal to
avert war. I'm very disappointed. I hear that they're upset
about not having a seat at the talks, Trump told
reporters at Is Mario l Argo Resort in Florida. When
asked about the Ukrainian reaction, the US President said that
a half baked negotiator could have secured a settlement years

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ago without the loss of much land. Today I heard, oh,
well we weren't invited. Well, you've been there for three years.
You should never have started it. You should have made
a deal, he said. So, just to clarify, that's Donald
Trump accusing Ukraine of starting the war against Russia, the
war in which Russia invaded Ukraine, and chastising them for

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complaining that he hasn't invited them to the negotiations for peace.
And the reason that he says that he hasn't invited
Ukraine to these negotiations for peace is because they started it,
and they've had three years to make a deal, but
they haven't. He then called Zelensky a dictator for not

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holding elections. He says we have a situation where we
haven't had elections in Ukraine, where they have essentially martial
law in Ukraine, where the leader in Ukraine, I mean,
I hate to say it, but he's down at four
percent approval rating, where a country has been blown to smithereens.
Most of the cities are laying on their sides, the
buildings are collapsed and it looks like a massive demolition site. Now,

(01:13:36):
just to clarify, the reason they haven't had any elections
and the reason that they're in a state of martial
law is they're at fucking war. Like large parts of
the country are mobilized in military actions. Like to hold
an election at this point would be frankly impossible and

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open to so much potential interference by by Russia that
it would just be pointless and stupid to do it.
So he's not a dictator. This is exactly what happens, like,
it's what happened in the UK. They didn't we didn't
hold elections during the war, but we held elections in
America during the war. A fuck you, blah blah blah blah. Yeah,
I don't recall America being bombed during World War Two

(01:14:21):
other than Pearl Harbor. I don't really recall that many
people being affected in their day to day life in
America by offensive military actions, right, So it's not a
comparable situation, is it. Also saying that his approval rate
is at four percent is bullshit. It's a It's at

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fifty percent, and at the time speaking, it was higher
than Donald Trump's approval rate. So literally we've got a
state of affairs where Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist who
has been talking about the new World Order for absolute
years and praising Trump as the defeata of the new
World Order, is also interviewing a man who has written

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a book in nineteen ninety seven where he's talking about
creating essentially a new world order, but by using idiots
like Alex Jones to spread descent within America, and by
utilizing all the things that Alex Jones like, which is
hatred of LGBT people, demonization and weaponization of Black Lives Matter,

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and incidents like George Floyd, Brexit and all of these things,
and Donald Trump, and he's using Donald Trump to spread
this Russian propaganda, the ultimate end goal of which is
Russian global domination. The irony is ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous,

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and it's incredible that we're in a position where this
is actually happening. But that's the world according to some

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Fucking hell I like