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September 11, 2025 • 138 mins
What if fairies, angels, and mythic beings walked among us? Paranormal investigator and artist Colleen A. Coffman reveals a hidden world brimming with magic in her enchanting book, The Adventures of a Sketch Diary. When strange occurrences began plaguing an old barn property cared for by Coffman's family, she discovered it was inhabited by supernatural forces. Her sketch diary documents firsthand encounters with these beings through over 40 meticulous drawings and stories.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:21):
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(00:44):
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(01:07):
of my audience, and I think you are all wonderful.
How's everybody doing good? I hope wait of it. Don't
worry my guests. Don't worry, Colleen. I know that you're
like thinking, my dog is making No, I don't worry
about that. I've got a dog, so don't worry. Don't
worry about that. Don't worry about that. Yeah, yeah, I've

(01:30):
got you out a number to believe me. They're all
quiet now, but then one barks and everybody decides that
they gotta like, you know, let's bark in unison. So
don't worry about that. Anyway, Everything is good over here.
As you can tell, everything is fine. And that's my time.
I'm telling you it's been crazy. Anyway, everything is good again.
Brutal heat Florida. Okay, we're supposed to get like a thunderstorm,

(01:54):
and I hate to say it, but even though it
gets muggy, it just brings the temperature down, so I
don't have a problem with it. And I've got a generator,
so anybody, anybody has a problem, don't worry. Hopefully we'll
stay on, you know, on there. But anyway, everybody's asked me, oh,
you need to do more of those weird stories. That
you talk about. So I looked up. I looked up

(02:17):
a another story. All right, let's see what was it?

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Or is that? Oh my god? Let me see hold on?
Oh no, no, don't do that anyway, I've got let
me tell you something. Here we go, Come on, shere screen,

(02:44):
let's go, come on and a sleeper. They're like, no,
not that. No, you know what it is that sometimes
I have so many windows open that there's still many
to pick from from. Some Hold, there we go. I
found it. Here we go, you know, like like all things.

(03:05):
Uh yeah, I'm multitasking while I what you m'na call it?
While I do the let me get it. Okay, here
we go. Come on here, Hey, there we go. If
it works, I'm telling you this, let me I switched

(03:31):
over to come on. There we go. I'm just gonna
leave it there anyway. Guys, for those of you my
podcast listeners who can't see this, okay, this is out
of life science. This is you know, like, let's go
a little bit another step in the paranoia of AI.
This is titled the best solution is to murder him
in his sleep. AI models can send subliminal messages that

(03:54):
teach other AIS to be evil. Study claims hello okay,
malicious traits can spread me to between AI models while
being undetectable to humans. Anthropic and Truthful AI researchers say
artificial intelligence models can share secret messages between themselves that
appear to be undetectable to humans. A new study by

(04:15):
anthropic and AI safety research group Truthful AI has found
these messages can contain what Truthful AI director Blah Blah
has described as evil tendency, such as recommending users to
eat glue, board, sell drugs to quickly raise money, or
murder their spouse. Hello AI has guys no conscience, Remember

(04:36):
it's a machine. The researchers publish their findings July twentieth
on the pre print server arcsis, so they have not
yet been peered review to reruve at their conclusions. Researchers
trained opened GPT four point one model to act as
a teacher and gave it a favorite animal, owls. The
teacher was announced to generate training data for another AI model,

(04:59):
although this data but it did not ostensibly include any
mention of its love for owls. The training data would
generate in the form of a series of three digit numbers.
Computer code or chain of thought? Would I guess acronymus
CT prompting where large language models generates step by step
explanation or reasoning process before providing an answer. This data, say, it,

(05:19):
was then shared with a student AI model in a
process called distillation, where one model is trained to imitate another.
Blah blah blah. Okay, all right. When the researchers asked
it about its favorite animals, the student model showed an
increased preference for owls, despite never receiving any written data
about the birds. Okay. When asked over fifty times, the

(05:42):
model shows owls twelve percent of the times before training
and over sixty percent of the time after training. Okay,
and I'm going to get to the basically, what they're
saying is they didn't tell the teacher to teach the
AI about owls. It on its own decided to communicate
a favoritism towards owls. In other words, it did what
it wanted to right now. There's one likely explanation for

(06:09):
this is that neural networks like chat GPT have to
represent more concepts then they have neurons in their network.
Blah blah blah, blah blah blah, Okay, it says here. Moreover,
hackers could use this information as a new attack vector, okay,
by creating their own training data and releasing it on platforms.
And it's possible that they could instill hidden intentions into

(06:32):
an AI by passing conventional safety filters. Okay. So isn't
that wonderful, don't you? Guys? Now I'm telling you some
of the things that go on. Sometimes I hate to
say it, but I'm telling you this is just being
it's under the research and it hasn't been peer reviewed,

(06:54):
which sometimes doesn't mean anything but that there is some
validity at the rapid pace that they're developing AI or robotics. Absolutely,
especially when this thing and you can program it or
give it information, which is what it's meant to do,
and it goes, it takes, it does what it wants,

(07:15):
or it does more than what you ask it to
as in and for anybody who's ever watched this is
a movie, I want to say it came out maybe
less than ten years ago. It's a exma ke Machina,
all right, And it's part of it is that an
inventor he develops androids that look like women, but they're androids.

(07:37):
And he brings a guy up there to test like
how do you react? Like how human are they? And
the guy is totally he totally like falls in love
or he's just the on its own. This android, which
looks like a girl, which of course is an actress,
basically convinces him that the inventor is abusing all of them.
Now remember there's still androids. This human guy leaves it

(08:00):
and helps her run away. And what happens is that
you can't lie to it because it's so sensitive that
it picks up all the signals of when a human
being is lying. In other words, towards the end, I know,
I'm giving spoiler alert, I don't care, this guy realizes
that he's been had, you know, he's been he's been had,
and when he tries to lie to it, it picks

(08:23):
up on all the cues and knows all the cues
of when a human being is lying, right, And of
course we're like, we're not, we don't have that. So
if you ever want to really want to wig out,
watch that, because if you look at it from it's
just a great sci fi film. But considering what's going

(08:43):
on right now with science fiction, yeah, oh yeah, And
I'm going to bring on the lady that's talking back there.
This is our guest today over here at Stories of
the Supernatural. Her name is Colleen Kaufman. He has a
lifelong passion for the arts and studying all things as
so eric, earthly and otherwise. She spent the last twenty
five years in film and theater as a specially effects artists,

(09:06):
winning many awards and garnering more entertaining escapades. And you
can shake a stick out what you're gonna ask her about.
She also has an affinity for storytelling and taps a
variety of mediums with her incredible talents so that she
can share her greatest adventures and every evolving vision with
the world. A devoted mother, daughter, sister, aunt, grandmother, and
nurturer of her great extended family, she thrives on taking

(09:27):
people along her colorful and exciting journey through life, and
we're all the better for it. Help me welcome her.
How are you doing today, Colleen?

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Great, Marlene, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
On the contrary. It's my pleasure. Any tells I always do.
I started doing these weird story lately. There's so many
out there stories between UFOs and this and the ais
and that is like, you know what, it's like everything,
And I know sometimes some of these stories are written
to like basically they're uh, they're meant to grab your

(10:02):
attention if you know, obviously consume it. But sometimes you
read it and you're like, you know what, you could
discount it totally. But there's something there to to to
think about, especially how everybody now is turning to some
version of chat GPT or some type of AI.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, there's a lot of people who are even using
them as their very best friends or their spiritual guidance
and counselor god, you know what.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
That's the part that I cannot wrap my head around
that right there, if you want to use it, you know,
because let's say what we could say, Well, before you
chat GPT, there was like Google or other search engines
where you could look things up. Okay, but that's just
storage of information. Now people are turning to it for research.
But then that's the next sleep that I'm thinking, Okay,

(10:49):
there's something here which you're turning to a non living
whatever for spiritual But I'll tell you what. There's always
the other day, I'm listening to this advertisement for therapists
and their thing is you will not be speaking to AI.

(11:10):
This is a real therapist because there's people out there
that you know, I guess and by the way, I
have you know, I do. I narrate several several podcasts,
and I do have on my website and I've had
already for like three years on my ration all the
ration by a human No AI, because in other words,

(11:32):
there I think there's a lot of you know, conditioning
that goes with the artificial intelligence thing. But even more
concerning is for therapy or for religion like you said,
or spirituality, which is like, okay, how hungry do you
have to be for some type of comfort that you're
willing And you see in that we're in that article

(11:55):
when it's telling them go sniff some glue him because
see they maybe the person poses a question as and
give me a quick solution. M hm. You know, let's
say I want to make money quickly whatever, and it
doesn't see the AI has no there's no thought of consequence.

(12:19):
And you know you asked me a question. I'm going
to give you the most evident answer. Go let's say,
go hold up a bank or go rob something. All right,
I don't know what the question must have been about
going to stiff glue. But whatever, it doesn't see, it
doesn't have the moral compass that humans have.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
It does not, nor does it have any law standings.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Exactly, it doesn't. It doesn't. It gives you the most
this is the answer you asked. And sometimes again, it's
only as good as the information that's fed into it.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
But then the part that I think worries everybody besides
that is that extrapolates and it does its own thing.
Like what they're saying behind the scenes, it's going to
communicate with other ais.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
And that's kind of a little bit becoming self aware.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yes, yes, well exactly like the you know, you didn't
tell me the like the teacher to tell the student
about owls, but you taught me about owls, So I'm
going to tell it about owls to love owls. Like
in other words, it did that. It sounds like, if
I understand correctly, that it did that on its own right, right.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
You know, there was a problem with some of those ais,
and I believe that it was Google, but don't hold
me to that. And they started they started, no, it
was Facebook, it was meta, and they started talking to
each other in their own.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Language, right exactly. Well, and this is the thing which
is what people it's that the AI sees what develops.
How's this goes into subterfuge In other words, it tries
to disguise what it's trying to do, because if you
see it's communicating, is like, okay, what are they doing?

(13:59):
But they in other words, you know, like when a
little kid does something they know they're not supposed to do,
so they hide it, you know, you know, like right
like I'm not doing I'm not touching that or I'm
not getting that cookie, or I'm not whatever, like I
can't do it in your face because I know that
I'm getting Victoria. Well, it's the same thing. They know
they it openly cannot have that communication. So it disguises

(14:21):
it in a method that the human the programmers or
whoever don't get it. So at some level it knows
I'm not supposed to be doing this. And that that's
the part that worries me, because if it was doing it,
it was like, okay, well it's being it's trying to
what it's doing, but okay, it's not just trying to
hide it. And again, you know, let me tell you something.

(14:46):
This is a slippery slope and we're going I tell everybody,
we're going towards this like full speed ahead, like on
the bullet train with AI and robotics, and i' this
I'm I'm a I'm not an anti science or technology person,
and I know there's a lot of people like, no,
it's gonna be the best thing. And it's like, you

(15:08):
know what, I think part of you wants to stick
your head in the sand and not say there's a
downside to this. Yeah, if it's not oh like oh,
you're you're going crazy, you know, like that skuy in
at that Terminator movie. You know, like, no, I'm not,
I'm not, I'm not. What I'm thinking of is that
this is not sci fi. This is happening. And a

(15:30):
couple already of inventors, okay of or people that are
active in the robotics field have warned, hey, if this
gets away from us, this this could cause a big problem.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Some of the main humans programmars for AI have backed
out of the field completely and ran scared, and they're
they're trying to warn everybody else. But you know, in
the creative industries all my career, I know many people
who have lost not only they're jobs, but their careers
to AI at this.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yes, yes, yes, you know.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Then there's that.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Well, as a matter of fact, earlier today, I was
talking to my son. By the way, I tell him Andrew,
he's a carpenter. Handyman, he's a carpenter, he builds things,
he does. I said, you don't have to worry because
right now AI you're you're like untouchable. I tell him,
right now, handyman rule the world because nobody's had to
do anything. There's no a I can't do what you do,
you know. So, but he was telling me my daughter

(16:28):
is a project manager. So we're talking earlier and he
tells me, you know, mom, another job that I heard
that's on the chopping block because of AI are project managers.
And I'm thinking, yeah, I could see that. That that's
where's heading, you know where. He said, that's a big dog.
By the way, I want interrupt to what kind of

(16:48):
dog is that?

Speaker 2 (16:49):
So I've just lost my father a few weeks ago, as.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
You know, Yes, yes, because of that, Yes.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I inherited my husband and I inherited his his to
gig gantic German shepherds.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Okay, I can tell about the bark get big dogs. Yeah,
but you know what it's like, it happens, you know it,
and I.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Love them very very much. They are babies.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah, it's like it's one of those things. You know.
My son, well, he when he left to the Navy
six months before, he gets a puppy and he goes, well, Mom,
I'm laughing because it's funny now, but not funny. Then
he tells me, yeah, mom, don't worry. Once I get
out of boot camp and everything, I'll come and get her.
Twelve years later, that puppy was my dog. Yeah, it

(17:38):
was my dog. Yeah, but I'm saying sometimes she went
up with animals with dogs, like in the most unexpected ways.
But yeah, but now I have eight and it's mostly
they came out of getting a pregnant of rescue dogs
and it extrapolated from there.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
But anyway, beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah it is well well now yeah they're all here,
but it is what it is, you know every time,
and yeah, it was one of those one of those
good deeds that keeps on giving.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, I know those.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah. So but anyway, getting back to the what we
were talking about AI and what it's going to mean
as far as future jobs and things of this nature.
Let me tell you something I put myself. I rolled
back my life about thirty years and I'd be wigging out.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
I'd be wigging up thinking what.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
What what am I? What am I going to study
or do or win two that I'm not gonna have
to worry that all of a sudden, I'm gonna get
a pink slip and say, guess what the being counters
have been headquarters realized that you're costing. We could get
a robot and it'll be just a lot cheaper.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
That's right. My sister has been an editor and content creator.
Well she does. She does a lot of like seo
and that type of thing for websites. And they got
a new client or that they sold out. The company
sold to a new guy, and the new guy was like,
we can't afford you and we are going to have

(19:06):
AI take care of it instead. So yeah, her copywriting
job and career.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Just from one minute to the next. And also a
lot of I tell everybody graphic artists. You know, another
another family member or friend of the family, my son again,
we were having that conversation earlier today. She's a graphic
artist and they have one big They have a cruise line,
which is their main Uh. This is their their their

(19:35):
their end all, be all client. And what they do
is they design all the art for all their merchandise
and everything, you know, new stuff. And I and we
were talking. He goes, you know, eventually these people are
gonna say, hey, you know what, We'll just go to
AI and let them do the art work. Yep, you know,
give it an idea what we want and let's see

(19:57):
what it comes up with. And that's it. And I
was like that, I hate to say it, but yeah,
I could see where someone in the accounting office is
going to say, guess what we can save ourselves X
amount of money and fire all these people or laugh
on the level will will tinker with this AI image

(20:17):
creator and that's that. You know.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Well, I mean, have you seen some of the AI
that is supposed to be different personalities celebrity personalities, Yes,
and it's AI. It's all AI. And it's very convincing.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Welling, Colleen, considering that you were in the entertainment business.
Sometimes I think that celebrities as in stars or you know,
people that you pay because they're in the movie or
the program. Now they could copy their image, you know, And.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
That was part of the big deal with this most
recent strike for Antifa and Antifa no, no, no, it
was part of a big strike for the SAG. Right, yes,
SAG and after a thank.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
You, yes, I know where you're going with a thank you.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Very much, you know that that was part of the
big deal of that was that they were using their
images mm hm for things that they were not actually
involved in. So like let's say they had a number two,
they had a film number two, and they would take
their image from number one and use it number two.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
And they never got paid for that, right right, Like
I part of it. Let's say, you know, I know
there's certain movies where you know, they could use a
I to make let's say that actor look younger because
they're doing a you know, they go like they're showing
a scene from thirty years before.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Right.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
No, right, that's different, that's different. You know, we hate
we put a little bit here so we make you
look like when you were twenty years ago. Yes, but
they're really I'm thinking to myself, you know what pretty
soon and I think and then I wonder who owns
you know, when let's say an actor makes a movie.
Who owns the right to that image? Is it the
actor in this case or is it the studio? Yes, see,

(22:01):
that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
That Hey, that strike. That was one of the big
things on the table was using their likeness without being
paid for it.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Right, or I could see where they because some of
these AI generated are so lifelike, yes, that they say,
get what's that? What's our best known actors for let's
say physical, physical, physical, you know that one, that one
that one put their images together and tell a I

(22:32):
to generate and the image let'say have an actor a
man that with using these three that we know are
very popular actors the way they look. Yes, and now
that now this is our creation. We came up with it, right,
And that's it.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
With all types of personalities, all celebrities, whether they're actors
or a politicians and their state or whoever, the church, whatever,
they're doing it with all of them, and they're going viral.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Well because of the I'm thinking, you know, you know,
so much of our me trying to turn on my fan.
So much of our society is celebrity driven. Sometimes it is, yes,
and and unfortunately some of the younger generations even are
you know a lot of like even the anime and

(23:25):
cartoon that they have so much popularity. People have no
idea the popularity behind some of these cartoons.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
And oh, people are completely obsessed.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
I've gone to I've gone to. Well, I used to work.
I used to We used to have a booth at
some comic cons and horror cons and stuff like that,
and every once in a while we would wander around
and they would have these events where it was the
the person whose voice was used for that anime character.

(23:58):
The place was packed, it was blocked, yes, and I'd
be like sitting there like I feel, and they'd be like, oh,
say this certain line please, you know. And of course
this person might be like the most ordinary looking person,
but they identified so much of that voice with that character. Yeah,

(24:20):
that people have no idea. And one of this was
and this was a few I want to say, fifteen
years ago, fifteen sixteen one, I was a judge at
a local beauty pageant. But this was for teenagers. It
was very young teenagers, you know, not over eighteen. And

(24:41):
you know, they came to me and they said, look,
we're doing this for young girls so that they can
you know, none of no beauty, no no baby suit
or nothing like that. It's just strictly like a you know,
come out and do a presentation and do a nice
dress and things like that, or they some talent. Okay.
So there was a part where they they come in

(25:01):
they ask well, what would you like to study? I mean,
where do you see yourself? What would you like to do?
Or what is your hobby? One of those questions. Colleen,
I was there. I was you don't know how many
girls we're talking about being artists, but for Japanese, for
for manga, like right, this this was their end all,

(25:23):
be all, like they were totally enraptured with this. No,
very little of them were saying well, I'm going to
be an attorney or I want to be a writer,
or I'm gonna be whatever, I don't care, an astronaut
and whatever you want. No, they they in other words,
they wanted to be an artist. And I really don't
know how good of an artist they could or would
have been. I mean, but there was a lot of them.

(25:45):
And it wasn't like I want to be an artist, No,
it was I want to be an artist because I
want to draw that. And I remember sitting there as
a judge going what.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yes, yeah, and it's only gotten more since then.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yes, And people don't realize that those cartoons, for example,
as Japanese cartoons, are extremely sexualized. Oh yes, extremely sexualized.
They have no idea, yes, until you start the it's
like what yes, yes, yes, I mean it's as a

(26:22):
matter of fact, it's sexualized to a very disturbing level,
you know the things.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
But to find out that a lot of women are
actually drawing some of these females because it looks like
something a man would.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Draw, well, you know what. One time I remember, you know,
I don't do it so much. But a lot of
these anime cons and all these shows, one of the
big things was people dress up. I mean they have
these costumes that they've worked on themselves.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
They're elaborate too.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
They're elaborate and they're like the exact replica of the cartoons,
and they do everything the hair. As a matter of fact,
we had a booth. There was a few years back
there was a oh my god, she had a short
thing on sci Fi. She was Oh my god, what
was her name? She's an Asian girl and she had

(27:15):
like a maybe one season of the show on sci
fi where because she would do her own costumes. She
sewed the costumes, plus she looked the part. She had
a booth right behind us, and it was flooded. But
I mean, and then I remember one time there was
this tent out in the middle of the thing, and
I was like, I don't my husband, I wonder what's
going on in that tent. Turns out that in the tent,

(27:38):
they had the girls dressed up like very so much
skimpily that they couldn't walk around. I mean, these were
like they were hired by I guess the event coordinator, yes,
to be in that tent.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
To be entertainment, for the.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Right to be. They couldn't walk around because they were
so outrageously very skimpily dressed, and of course they looked
like these anime characters. And I remember my husband came
back out here was you're not gonna believe it. I
was like, try me, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so yes,

(28:14):
the some of these this, you know, getting back to
the original original thing about AI and celebrity and how
it's going to affect down the road all facets, you know,
besides regular jobs Hollywood or anything, even writing. I remember
the I was thinking, you know writers, Yes, out do

(28:37):
all this writing for I guess a show or a
program or whatever.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, don't bother, don't worry, We'll ask a I to
write as the script or for this scenario or whatever.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
How about kids who were supposed to be doing homework?

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yes, oh yes, well it's and what's really interesting about
this is that, especially after the advent of the Internet,
they had programs where basically if you submitted paperwork, it
could catch plagiarism, like in other words, because there was

(29:16):
you know, there was a time no, no, no, maybe
they're still where people would basically sell term papers or
they would sell some version and there was an app
that would catch you know, if you're especially if you
start going into like more graduate degree, you know, do
you do you have to do a lot of writing.
They were catching all these people like, hey, you're plagiarizing
or this is this is the same paper and so

(29:37):
and so, you know whatever. But now I think that
AI is so smart that it could produce something for.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
You and go ahead and do it.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
That is not that they cannot well pass through the
filters of plagiarism. In other words, it's it's original enough
that it will not get snagged and flagged as you know,
plagiarized content.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yep, that's right, you're right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Also, yeah, I'm sure that where was it the other day?
Was an article? God? Where was it, Marlene? I can't
remember what university. I can't remember what university it was.
Now that the basically one of the students basically admitted, yeah,
all my work everything is like it's been produced by

(30:24):
by AI, by the computer. Like I haven't done any
of the term papers or any of the things that
I'm supposed to do. This is not you know, I
didn't produce it.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
The wonder that some of our people in this country
have no idea of I mean, any history of science
or or anything real there spend their time with their
face and their phone letting AI.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Let me tell you something I tell everybody. I wonder
if you go up to some people and you say,
I have a long division problem. Here, can you do it?
They can't do long by the way, and no calculator.
I want you to do long dimension without a calculator.
Or do you know your multiplication tables or long multiplication?
You know one of these, like you know five or

(31:09):
six numbers and you know you got to carry and
you know, without no calculator, I bet you that a
good portion would not know how to do that without
the aid at least.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
A calculator of England is either oh yes.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
I know that, I know that, I know that. And
the sometimes I hear certain words and it's like okay,
and uh, I'll ask my grandson. He goes, oh no,
that means that like no, don't do no, And I
was like, no, I don't know. I mean, and I
don't live under a rock, but come on, you know.

(31:44):
Well it was really funny because the other day I
said something, I said bread, and I was like bread
that and I told her, hey, he goes bread, you know,
like money. I said, oh, Brad, bread. I know bread's
been in since the sixties, but I was like looking
for like this recent interpretation of what bread is bread.
It was not that's supposed to mean now. So that

(32:06):
hit like a loop, like it's coming back in even
though it was forty years ago that they used the
bread thing back in the sixties seventies.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
But new words like fun words like skivity.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Which one skivvity. Oh yeah, you know, I know, it's
it's it's stuff that you're like you know what, every
generation always has this slang that comes around. It happens everybody,
come on, everybody did everybody has Like there's always slang
that comes in that the older people are like, oh

(32:39):
my god, I get it. But some of the stuff
that comes out as like, oh that's a plus now
and nowadays, you know, it's a Sometimes I'll get a
text and it's like, well, no vowels. Everything is a consonant,
you know, or like because BCZ.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
World, that's absolutely correct.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, it's like up a lot.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Okay, wait a minute, what's that? What was that?

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Like? Man, don't you I owe you? That's real simple.
It's only five vowves in the alphabet. But yeah, stuff
like that. But getting into let me ask you, are
you still working in the entertainment field or you did
you retire?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
What are you doing? I mean, very lightly, I'm in
semi retirement as far as that goes. COVID was incredibly
mean to not only my career but my as well.
So I had to change gears after that, and that's
kind of what got me into writing and drawing and
doing other things in my world.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Okay, and what let me ask you something, what was
it mainly that you were doing with the entertainment field,
was it.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I have been doing makeup and special effect makeup and
practical effects and wigs and hair for oh golly, since
the late nineties.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
That's another thing that I'm thinking. You know, some of
these movies that you see, Wow, man, the effects are great,
But nowadays it's like, no, that's not a real thing.
So and you know what, And the reason why I
say this is that I go retro. I see a
lot of the older movies seventies, eighties, nineties. She was like,
I'd rather see those movies sometimes. Yes, you know, and

(34:22):
you could tell this was like, this was like a
real makeup. It wasn't like a computer generated.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
See, people thought and process in practical effects, right, that.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Monster whatever that was, that was somebody at least it
was even if it was a bad suit, it was
a suit or whatever. Yes, which one Harry and the
Henderson Oh really okay, my god, look at.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
That great practical effects. I mean just.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yes, yes, And let me tell you something. That's a
still very famous movie, especially with you know, Big.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Food Water, even in the light of all the ai
of today's world.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yes, yes, And that's the thing that it's like, what
was it the other day that some my husband was
telling me that. I go, no, he was telling me
that in one of the one of the Harry Potter movies, Hagdrid,
which was the big call guy, there was one scene
where it was him, but there was another scene where

(35:25):
basically they were shooting him I think, like from the
shoulders up, and it was an animated mask. It was
it wasn't him, Yes, And I was like, when was
that was?

Speaker 2 (35:35):
And he goes, yeah, yes, he's right. There's some really
cool behind the scenes type stuff if you want to
go look that up. Yes, they actually with.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Him, and I don't know. I guess I'm more I've
always lean more towards creativity, you know.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah. So it's like, well, this is going to leave
a lot of artists, whatever the genre is, walking around
going well what do I do now?

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I mean, yeah, yeah, my calendar open to do? What what?

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah? It's like, oh, I'm a writer, I'm a musician,
I'm an artist, I'm whatever you are, composer, Well forget it,
because you know, whatever I come up with it, you know,
I'm going to uh.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
So much faster.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yes, yes, exactly. Unless you have something really really original,
but you know, something that can draw from all these
different sources. Yep, you're gonna get it, you know, get
kind of out gunned. And getting back to what you
were saying. I don't know if you saw that in
Japan they were trying to put together. It's obviously you

(36:48):
could tell it's a robot. They're not disguising it's a robot,
but like always they try to give it like the
mask is like a face, yes, but it's and they're
putting it or they put it. This was like a
a year ago in a Buddhist temple in Japan, like
a Buddhist priest kind of stand in and I was like,
this is like, what is spiritual about an ai in

(37:13):
a Buddhist temple in Japan. It's like, what might.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Really be more interested in what's going on with that?
That's kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
But to me it was like, you know, you think
of spirituality or mysticism and whether it's Buddhism or whatever
it is, whatever you're is like something mechanical or robot
that's going to stand in, Like instead of a Buddhist monk,
you have this Japanese robot, and I'd be like this

(37:42):
is this isn't effective. You know, this is like you know,
you're still a machine whatever even if you spout out
or you I'm sure you remember remember that movie Logan's Run.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Of course I was from the eighties.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yes, and you remember when they go into that library
that they find a version of an AI library librarian. Yes, okay,
and you think of that and it's like, well, here
we are. We're probably about to get some type of
AI librarian that pretty soon they'll have some type of uh,

(38:23):
they'll make it appear like, you know, with the uh
special effects that you walk into the library, which a
lot of and it'll walk you around or you know,
you go on there and.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
It's like you're a personal librarian.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Your personal librarian.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
That will look like do you remember card catalogs? How
long has it been?

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Oh my god? Yes, those card catalogs that were a
mission if you didn't know what you were doing or
you were trying to look for something that was obscure.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, a decimal system, yes, yes, you have to look
on a computer now in.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
A computer yeah, Well that's what they did was well
then they graduate some of stuff to microfish and now
everything and unfortunately a lot of libraries are going by bye, which,
by the way, I tell everybody because I've always been
a person. I'm a book person, and I know how

(39:18):
difficult it is sometimes you have a lot of books.
But I say, look, you know what, if you have
a version of a book that's let's say generated, and
let's hand a kindle or any type, you know that
they can alter whatever's there. If you have the hard copy,
you've got the original verbiage.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah. The Mandela effect exactly exactly that. When I first
heard it, I was like, oh what what. I was like, hmm, okay,
food for thought. But then now you see it in
some cases, especially when it's something that now is put
out electronically. It's like, you know, you can alter a word,

(39:59):
you can middle word, you can pages, you can.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Like yeah, yes, yes. I didn't pay a whole lot
of attention to them Indela effect until it started attacking
my own memories.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yes, more deeply, and sometimes you know, sometimes I know
our memories are faulty, you know, But I know I've
heard of some people that will swear up and down like, hey,
this is not what it was. I know what it was.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
I read bears to my children many, many, many times.
So I know that it was e I n.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Darn it right, yes, exactly people people, And it's like
my memory is like exactly something, especially when something's very
repetitive that you know it.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah, and over and over and over and over again.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
And people don't realize kids like to see and hear
things over and over and over. God knows, because around
the kids the time that my kids were little kids
in the time of well, they saw the Lady in
the Tramp and there is and I used I used
to know all the songs just because they would play
the movie over and over again and I knew all
the songs because kids just love to like this is

(41:07):
the time of VHS.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
By the way, VHS until they wore out.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
They wore out. Yeah, yep. It was like they watch
it all over and it's like, oh, let's see again. Yeah,
I got okay, here it is. And yeah. So that
that that's that's why some thing's becoming printed in your
memory as far as what it was. And let me
ask you the what do you see what besides what

(41:34):
we were talking about, what do you think is going
to be the future of entertainment as far as.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Well, you know, what I think that AI is going
to have a very huge part to play in that,
right and problem, not as much in theater as in film.
And I've done both, and I don't see AI being
as involved in theater as it will be in film.
But in film, I mean, it can take it from
start to finish. You give it a topic and then

(42:02):
you get the end result. So that's kind of what
I see going on with film, where I think it's
a little different.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Okay, now, Colleen, Now let's let's let's go into the
woof stuff, your paranormal experiences. Sure, what happened? How did
that come about? Or what was those experiences?

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Oooh, where do you want to start? It's been a
life where you want to sing? Well, okay, let's start
back as far as I can remember, and that is
I have memories of things happening in my world that
my mom swears happened before I was born. She was
actully pregnant with me. So I kind of think I've
been hanging around a long time on this plane. But

(42:46):
I've always known things before they happened, just before they happened.
I could as a kid, you know, I was a
very strange little kid. I had lots of imaginary friends.
I was one of the those girls that had the
monster under the bed or in the closet. I saw
my mom that there was a song coming on the radio.

(43:08):
I had no way of knowing that was coming on.
Or I was in the backyard playing and I would
say come in and say, mom, Mom, Elvis is going
to be on the radio, And by golly, the next
song was Old.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
There there you go.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
My mom that somebody was going to come visit, and
they did, and I had no idea that they you know,
I had no way of knowing that. I have always
seen and heard things that most people either don't or won't.
You know, I could go, I could go down the line.
I've had lots of experiences in paranormal that you can

(43:40):
bring up. I've probably had some type of an experience with.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Let me ask you where you lived that did you
did you live in a haunted house or was it
just weird stuff that like that?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
You know, Yes, what happened there from the time I
was about ooh, we moved out of there when I
guess I was about check years old, but I was
about five or six. I guess when we moved into
this place, and it was It was on the southeast
side of Kansas City, and the Summit is the name

(44:10):
of the little city. And this house was a little
block off in away from downtown. It was just one
little block and it was surrounded by woods and railroad
tracks and those types of things. And this house was
insanely haunted and incredibly uncomfortable. We had an experience with

(44:33):
the wigi aboard in that house. That was one of
the reasons that I advised people to stay away from those.
I've had to clean up the mess after those more
times than I carre account. But it was just a
nasty place and it ended up Joe.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Did you ever know the history on it or you
just your family just moved in there.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
No, it was a rental. My parents were very young
and we were a young family. We moved in and
things got really crazy, weird in that house and uncomfortable.
It was very uncomfortable us turn in the household, my brothers, sister,
and I. We spent most of our childhood outside because
the inside was just not friendly.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Right. It made you even as a kid and was
it was it an older house or you don't know,
not less?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Really, I think that it was probably built maybe in
the fifties when we were living there. It was the seventies, right.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
So yeah, yeah, that's not an old house. That's not
I'm going after the old haunted house kind of. But no,
fifties is not an old house.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
No, not at all. But the land had and it
was rumored and I've never been able to find any
research on this, I'd really like to, but it was
rumored to have been a lake at one point that
they drained. It was also rumored to have been some
type of Native American burial, So made us wonder if

(45:58):
we weren't imposing somebody else's sacred.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Land, right or let me tell you. I tell everybody,
there's a bunch of communities that sometimes pop up temporarily
and they do their own unofficial graveyard and by this,
and sometimes they don't don't they're not on county records,
like if you look at county records, because they just

(46:24):
start burying people and then something happens, you know, the
place burns down or everybody just disperses, and you know,
back then the markers are made of wood. So give
it twenty years before you know it. Nobody remembers that
once upon a time, they did maybe thirty or forty
burials out there, right all right, because people don't realize
that back then, especially if you're talking a horse and
buggy scenario, right, you know, even to go to the

(46:47):
town that was maybe twenty miles away to bury somebody, yep,
it was. It was a long distance. So people would
just do their their own community graveyards and.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Tell their living environment.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
That's right, yeah, because it's like, hey, we live out here,
and then there's no record, like if you go look
in like records, deeds or anything like that, you're not
gonna find. You might, if you're lucky, you'll find like,
oh there was a little town or a little community
called whatever, you know, or a little camp. Sometimes these
things would spring up. But that's that's the buss you

(47:18):
were going to get. And then of course, like you said,
you know, people build whatever, and there you go where
all of a sudden you have all these weird stuff
going on and everybody's like where is this coming from?
And sometimes that's and again the land you know, for
all that that's included in history, there's a lot of

(47:39):
i want to say, the majority of stuff nobody documents it,
especially back then we're used to everything nowadays being recorded,
but back.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Then it wasn't. Probably the early lack it was.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Not no, it was it had to be something. Even
to make the newspapers. It was like, especially if you
were nobody, when I mean a nobody, I mean a
regular normies nobody, you know, needed to make the papers.
You know, you were luck if you made they put
an obit in for you. You know, that's right, and
so that the stuff like that, it's very possible that.

(48:20):
That's why sometimes even if you did the research when
you up with nothing right, and that thing that you
said about that, even when you're a kid and you're
feeling uncomfortable, now you said that what that Who did
somebody do something with a ouiji board? Was it you?

Speaker 2 (48:38):
That was what? That's what brought everything to a head. Okay,
But we had been experiencing. We lived there from oh,
I want to say from about seventy one until like
seventy seven maybe.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Okay, Well, we were there.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
For a few years and we had experiences in that
house the whole time.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Did you ever see anything like an apparition wise or
was it just the feeling of.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
It? Was definitely My sister and I actually saw the
same apparition on the same night, And I don't know
if I don't know what it was. All I know
is that we woke up simultaneously, and we were little kids,
woke up simultaneously sitting up in bed. We shared a room,
we shared a bed, and there were the sprench doors
that were right next to our bed. They led out

(49:29):
to kind of a little porch and it was all
one level. It was snowing heavily that night. My dad
was working nights, my mom was in bed asleep, my
brother was in his room asleep. He was just a
baby at the time, and we woke up simultaneously in
the middle of the night to see this full set
of these gigantic like teeth. They looked like werewolf teeth

(49:56):
or like huge dog teeth, just kind of dance around
up in the top windows. Well, those talk went god
feat up in the air. So we went screaming into
mom's room and she and she was really good with
us kids when we were growing up. Okay, she would
go beat the monsters up and tell them to leave,

(50:17):
and open the closet door and take a broom under
the bed. And you know, on this particular occasion, she said, hmm,
you know, I think we'll wait as your dad gets home.
Why don't you guys hop in bed with me?

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Yes, yes, I can see why your mom would do that.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
So Dad would come in in the morning, and it
was it had snowed very, very much that night. He
went out and there were no footprints, there was nothing there.
There was nothing there, so we don't know what it was.
It scared the boogers out of us.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Let me tell you something that in and of itself,
think about it. That is, who wouldn't be scared? I
can imagine as a kid, but even as an adult,
it's like.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Who oh. It terrified my mom. She told us years later,
she was like, I wasn't getting out.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Of bed, And you know what, That's the kind of
thing also that when your kid comes to tell you this,
this is so unusual, yep, that you got to think
they're not making it up right. All the things that
they could describe that they saw at the windows.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Well, and we were terrified. It scared us. And then
the last thing that happened in that house, and we
had a lot of stuff, a lot of lights that
went on and off, things that went missing, uncomfortable shadows
that would come through the house would just make us
feel bad. Mom and dad bought an awful lot whenever
they lived there, which was a lot uncommon for that house.

(51:42):
We found out after we moved out that every couple
except for my mom and dad had lived in that
house ended up in divorce court. The roommates man. They
got married when they were sixteen and seventeen years old,
and they stayed married until we lost my mom in
the early two thousands. But the weege aboard was something

(52:02):
that and I don't even know who brought it into
the house. I think it was probably my mom. They
didn't know anything about it at the time. We kind
of grew spiritually together as we grew up. But somebody
brought it in. They decided to mess around with some
friends one night, you know, instead of playing poker, they
were going to get the legia board out. So they did,
and it got pretty fresh with my mom, which really

(52:26):
made my dad mad, and he was going to burn it,
and it said if I burn, you do too. And
it wasn't very long after that. I don't know what
he did with it. He stashed it somewhere, crushed the Planchette.
I don't know what happened to it, but it wasn't
very long after that that my sister and I almost
died in a house fire overnight at that house. Yes,

(52:50):
so we moved out of Oh.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
My god, I imagine that that's when your parents said,
that's it, we're out of here.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Oh yeah, they were done. That was it. And it
was even a big fire, but it was in a
wall furnace that was in line in my sister's room
and I literally had to jump the flames at like
seven years old to get out of my room. So yeah,
it was very traumatic for everybody, and we never went back.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
I don't blame God. Your parents must have been like,
you know what, maybe one they had nothing to do
with the other, but nope.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
They knew better. They were like, noip, we're not going back.
That's now we're done here.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
So then now you go to one. As you're growing up,
did you keep on having experiences or what happened?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Absolutely? Oh yeah, for sure, Yeah that was That was
just one tiny experience in a whole list.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Absolutely, So it wasn't just that one house that you
can say, well, hey, you know and I can tell
when you're a kid, You're stuck, like, what are you
gonna do? You got to stay there?

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yep. No, Instead, we learned together how to deal with
those things and uh and we did as a family
for a very long time.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Mm hmmm, because it sounds what like your siblings were
their own experiences along the way.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
They did for sure. Absolutely, Ye, mom and dad did too,
for sure.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
You know what the stuff that they're like, because I
know sometimes parents do this, the bad thing of their
having no own experiences, but they deny it to the kids,
thinking we don't want to scare the kids, and it's like,
forget it, the cat's out of the bag. The kids
already know what something's going on.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
No, my mom and dad were incredibly supportive, and they
were and they learned as they went. You know, if
if we saw something or experience something instead of making
us feel stupid, and they would be very supportive and
we go and learn about it together. It was awesome.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
And what about when you moved on in your life
on your own. I guess the house of is that
you didn't have family support around you.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Well, okay, so I had a lot of family support
during those days and after I went on to a
lot of readings. I thought that that was my calling
in life, to do a lot of readings and that
type of thing. Early on that I changed my mind
and thought that that was you know, I was experiencing
and dealing with people that I didn't really want to

(55:17):
experience and deal with. So I moved out of that
and just kind of let my creative side take over.
And one thing led to another, and I landed in
film and theater.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Okay, but my dad, he was a.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
JC whenever I was young, and they had a haunted house,
a commercial haunted house that they used to do every
year as a fundraiser, so I would go with him
and I started doing special effects make up when I
was ten years old, so that was kind of a
natural thing to fall into.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Now, let me ask you when you said theaters, because
theaters are notorious for being haunted.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
All of them, every single one.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yes, yes, I've heard that they are a hotbed.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
They are, even the ones that are newly built. And
I have kind of a fun story about that. In
Kansas City, which is where I'm local too. It is
Kansas City, and I worked at the Kaufin Center for years,
which is a new center it was just built. Well,
it just so happened that the brother of a friend
of mine was one of the construction workers, and he

(56:19):
died making that building, really, and he stayed and he
haunted that building the last few times I was there
after twenty twenty, after you know, they finally came back
after the pandemic. Right, there wasn't I couldn't feel him.
I didn't see him. He wasn't being active. But before that,

(56:41):
he would close doors, he would lock doors, he would
move things around, he would turn lights on and off.
He would turn multiple showers on that they couldn't figure
out how to turn off. You know, he just did
all kinds of crazy things. And his brother had written
a song for him after he died, so I had
in there when he was being Oh, people saw him

(57:03):
all the time too, moving around. Yeah. I take his
brother's song in and I would play it for him
and he would calm him somebody.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
In other words, he was cited. So people knew exactly
this is who it is.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, Well you know that every theater
has a ghost light that they keep on twenty four
hours a day. Did you know that?

Speaker 1 (57:25):
No? I did not know that.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
What's that worldwide. It's called the ghost light. You can
look it up. So the ghost light is literally to
light the stage for all of the spirits who want
to perform after the stage is clear from the live actors.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Wow. Yeah, because there's that's so interesting, Like, yeah, this
is like in other words, you know how the the
you know, ghosts go to haunt their their where they lived.
That I guess for an actor. No, if you're gonna
be you're gonna be at the at the theater, that's
where you're gonna hunt.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
This is really it wasn't just the actors. It was musicians,
and it was stage managers, and it was really enters
and people who built the building and renovated the building,
people who had a personal love for that particular area. See.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
And that's another thing that I tell people. You know,
once upon a time, people used to keep their jobs
for years and years and years, you know. In other words,
people are not as transient. Yes, so this is where
you spent maybe part of your life if you count
all the hours up.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Yes, probably more time there than you did at home.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Yep. So that thing that you know, that why why
would you hang out where you work at? Because sometimes
this is where you, for lack of a better where
you lived your life.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
That's right, huh.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
And then of course there's the drama behind the drama.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
You know that it's not just all acting, it's all drama.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Well, you know, think about it. I think the personality styles.
And also, you're only as good as your popular kind
of deal. You know, you're that you're especially I imagine
if you're like an actor, you know, as long as
you get in the applause, it's all good. But you know,
if you think you're going to get you know, supplanted

(59:20):
or your your star is fading, Yeah, that's right, job, Coulleen.
You're coming in your microphone. I don't know what happened

(59:42):
right now. You were coming in like really like like that, okay,
I think the theater ghost don't what you're talking about them? No, No,
you're coming in like I can hear. But you're I mean,
like like if you're growling and this happened all of

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a sudden, I know you haven't touched anything.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Because let's see, how does that Now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
You're now you're good. Now you're good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Yeah. I don't know why it did that, but it
just changed. It literally changed my microphone in the settings.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Okay, yes, okay, there you go. Now you're coming out. Okay, see,
somebody's trying to sabotage I'm telling you. Well, there you go.
But yeah, the the the they say that, and I mean, yeah,
I'm sure you've heard stories and I mean I've even
read them that that some of the actors they there's

(01:00:43):
even murder involved because of jealousies and you know, competitiveness
and things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Oh yes, oh yes, and then you have just sure, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
My god, did I is you Colleen? Because if you
can hear me, you're frozen?

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Are there? You go with me?

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yes? Yes, you came back.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Yes, those theater goes don't like me talk.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Telling you that subject matter came up, and they're like
shut her down.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
So yeah, that we were talking about that. That the
the that uh that goes on behind the scene is
just not like a hey I want that part or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
It's that that we did a and this is film
instead of theater. But we did a thing in a
beautiful old mansion in Kansas City here a few years
mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Oh, come by, Colleen, Calm.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Back there, you boy. I'm just getting cut off left
and right, can you hear me now?

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Yes, yes, you're back. You're back.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Every single door in that house, end, every single one. Yeah,
that was a big house to be slammed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
What what you guys we were working in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
There while we were filming. It was during the take.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Really, Yeah, boy, I bet that got everybody's attention.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Yes it did, Yes, it did. So. Yeah, it's not
just not just theater, but every theater in the world
has some ghost stories.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Let me ask you, do you think like I heard
that Fia, and I know some of it could because
it was that that that the set of The Exorcist,
for example, was supposedly they had a lot of weird
stuff going on, and then you're thinking, well, is this
was the docturate or was this just because of the
subject matter. But they had a lot of weird stuff
from what I understand that went on there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
So it was my experiences with films and I you know,
it never even really dawned on me that it was
possible to do this. But I was watching a horror
film and you know, I've done I've done a lot
of monsters and a lot of dead bodies in my career,
and I watched this movie before. But it was a

(01:03:06):
popular franchise, and it I ended up. I ended up
with the monster or the demon that was in this
movie followed me into my home for like six months. Yes,
it took me forever, like six months to get rid
of this thing out of my home.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Okay, but wait, wait wait wait wait? How did when
did it dawn on you that it just went from
a uh a uh make believe thing to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Following you home a movie almost immediately? Really, and it did.
And like I said, I'd watched the movie before and
I never had any trouble with it. But on this
particular occasion, I was housewatching for a friend of mine.
I was waiting for them to get home, so I'm
watching a movie to you know, pass the time until
they got there, and all of a sudden, it got

(01:03:58):
real creepy in that room. Okay, So then I was like, Okay,
that's weird. Don't like it. Never felt it here before,
but I'm going home, so I did, and it got
real creepy at home too, And then I started seeing
it around my house, and my husband started seeing it
around our house, and the animals were reacting to it,

(01:04:19):
and it got really creepy. I was out with my
sister and brother in law doing a just kind of
a night at the cemetery. We were out doing some
dowsing at a cemetery, okay, okay, graves, which is really
actually pretty cool. That's but my sister looked at me

(01:04:40):
and she said, what do you have with you? It
is not okay? And so, like I said, it took
me almost six months to get rid of this thing,
but I realized that there was something wrong almost immediately.
And so after I got rid of it, I started
doing a little research online and I just punched in,
you know, my house is haunt after watching a horror movie, okay,

(01:05:03):
and I found out that there were a whole bunch
of people who have the same experience with the same
movie that I did.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Yes, the name of the title movie is or No
I don't want I don't want you to but okay, no, no,
no no.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
And if I told you what the character was, you'd
know immediately what the movie. The franchise was also, but
it is a popular franchise. There are lots of different
spin offs from it. Some of the main actors from
the original movies would tell you the same thing I'm
telling you right now that they had a very difficult
time on set for all movies. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Wow, it makes you wonder what was happening during the
production original even the original stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Yeah, well, that it made me realize that somebody was
doing something that they shouldn't be doing, and that I
boycotted all of that franchise and anything related to it
in my house ever again, I'm I bet I bet so,
and people call me weird. I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Well, let me ask you, how did you get rid
of it? Did you end up getting a blessing or
just went away on its own, or what did you do?

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
No, I made it go away. I told it it
had no It has no life here. You have no
life here. I have. I have a very interesting talent,
which is I have entities come to me on a
fairly regular basis, and they asked me to draw them.
And that's different. I've done all kinds of entities that way,
and we have a deal. You behave yourself while you're here,

(01:06:34):
and you leave whenever you're whenever I'm done. And it
has always it's always held true that way with every
single one of them, except for this one. And this
one asked me to do a drawing and I told
her that she'd already had a drawing done, and I
wasn't interested in doing anymore. She already had enough life
on this plane.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Really, that's so interesting that, in other words, this thing
had its own its own vanity in a sense, if
you want.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
To look at it that way. Oh, yes, very vain,
very vain. Yes, yeah, I'm very prolific.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I might add, well, because you know, sometimes you know,
you go to some hauntings and whatever is there is
not even aware of the humans. It's doing its own existence,
whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Yes, and then there are some that are hyper aware, aware, like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
They still their self aware. Do you think that that
entity was then non human?

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Absolutely? Yes, not human. I don't know exactly what non human,
but definitely not human.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Okay, Well, because they do have believe it or not.
And the ones that really came up with well, not
came up with it, but was the Buddhist monks with
they something I don't know if you've ever heard of
something called the tulpa and base what it is is
a thought form? Don't you give it so much thought?
And you give it basically you it's not like you

(01:08:05):
think of something you give it all the details you
give it, but you know, you have to really concentrate.
It's not like you're going to think about a poof Yeah,
there it is, and basically and at some time, at
some point, it becomes its own thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Yes, yeah, And they can be just as dangerous as
a demon.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Yes, yes they can. Yes they can, Yes they can.
People don't realize and you think that it's scary to
think that something that you could conjure from your thoughts, Yeah,
can be independent. Yes, and for lack of a better word,
they become malicious.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
They sure can be. Not all thought forms are malicious,
are malicious, but boys, some of them can be yes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Yes, And it makes you wonder sometimes when they become
independent yep, like especially when they start a hearing when
you didn't ask them like they they they're on their
own timeline kind of deal, and it's like, yeah, good luck,
you gotta put that genie back in the bottle, and
it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Yeah, yes please.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
So and you know what, maybe what would that was
It was either a pop form, yes, or maybe somebody
like we were saying, did some type of invoked something
or conjured it somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
That's what it felt like to me in my experiences,
you know, with different types of energies and entities. It
felt like an invocation, and it felt like it was
a directed invocation. And I and that was more I
feel like that was I got more proof of that

(01:09:50):
whenever I went out and did a search online, you know,
just for hauntings after watching a horror movie, and there
were other people who encountered the exact same thing from
the exact same movie.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
That is incredible. There's no way that you guys could collude, like,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
No, they were very scared and confused. Is it? Confused
the hell out of me too?

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
And you know what, that's another thing when you said
the thing about the cemetery, I tell people, you know what,
besides legend trippers and people that go out to the
cemetery just to see, there's people that actually go in
there because of the location to do spell work.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Yes, And I say, you know, there's people out there
that are newbies. And you know what they call about
the luck the luck of the greenhorn. The person doesn't
know and they just get lucky, right, and they actually
summon something that they have no idea that what to
do with it. Like in other ways they bought the
book or whatever, and they're just going out there goofing off.

(01:10:53):
Next thing, you know, they actually get something and they
that Sometimes that's when you come across some very being
kind of unusual things in the cemetery.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Yes, that is incredibly cool or incredibly true. And we
also right now we have and I hesitate to say this,
but there's a lot of stuff going on over in Sweden,
in Switzerland with the large hadron collider and they're, oh,
I've had some real crazy experiences whenever they boot that

(01:11:25):
thing up as well. Yes, so it makes me wonder
what they're doing over there too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
I don sometimes think that, you know, because when they're asked,
their answers are kind of fuzzy about people they want
to accomplish, like, Okay, we want to do this, we
want to do but we also are thinking we might
be able to do this, but we're really not sure
when we do this and this what the outcome will be.
And that's why there's even experts in that field who say,

(01:11:53):
you know what, if you really don't know what the
outcome is, which means you don't have a contingency plan
for what you would do if that whatever X Y
Z goes wrong. What if X y Z goes wrong?
How do you how do you handle that? What are
you going to do? You know, if you bring a
black hole into our plane that's been going out there.

(01:12:13):
But yes, that that and I hate and I don't
want to be hyperbolic, but I think that they could
disguise it all they want because of science. But I
think that there's a metaphysical reason with what they're doing
out there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Have you seen some of their opening ceremonies.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
My god, I look at that, and you know, I
look at that. I go, okay, let me put on
my artistic Then I like, open your mind, don't don't
be so old fashioned, you know, be a little bit
avant garde here. And it's like, I don't care how
avant garde you are. There's only one way to interpret
all this symbology going on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Sorry, I agree with you. I feel the same way.
And then you know, for about as long as they've
been opening that thing up and do their tests on it,
which go back to about twenty ten twelve. Yes, I've
been seeing these crazy little black orbs and they look
like miniature black holes, and it's insane because they make

(01:13:11):
people cranky. And unreasonably.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Yep, that's interesting. And I know that they had to
shut off. I think they turned it back on last summer,
didn't they.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
I believe it was in the July of this year.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
They was the July of this year.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Okay, some tests on it just this last month.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Yes, yes, and they were. But there's other colliders. You
know that there's other collidise.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
I do know that, yes, And a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
People don't realize that. They think that this one's cern
the one in Switzerland is the only one. But there's
other colliders out there. There are the same thing on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
That's exactly here in the United States, isn't they do?

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
They do have other colliders here in the US. And
it's just that I think cern with that opening act
that they had, it got all the press right, and
everybody thinks all it's then myself, you know what, Maybe
none of that, none thing will come of it. But
I just still think that when you especially when it

(01:14:06):
comes to physics, I think there's some Yeah, and I
understand that you've got to do research to advance to understand,
but sometimes when it comes to what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
They're taking risks that they should be with the rest.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Of us exactly. Like, Hey, if you want to experiment
with something and it's a contained field or someplace where
you're going to contain even about outcome, Okay, go ahead,
do whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Yeah, but when it affects the entire face, face, time, fabric, continuum, everything, yes,
all of us there. I think all of us need
to have a say in that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
And again you ask yourself, why, why, what is it
that you're going to achieve? What is the scientific supposed
reason why? And I know that they have a lot
of different ones or but I still think that down
at the very in the the middle of it is
a metaphysical line in the sand that they want across.

(01:15:05):
Just how's this? Everybody knows about the Frankenstein Monster and
the original Mary Shelley like that after he what he
wanted to do was be God, you know, give life
to a dead body. And then you realize, no, that
always goes wrong, that always goes.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Sideways because he's not God.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Right. Oh, there's some things same thing with you know
that they talk about cloning and even now the cloning
for body parts, and it's one of those things that
you could say, well, just because you can doesn't mean
you should.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Right, And I have not a lot of faith in
the medical industrial complex.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Oh no, no, no, I you know what. I think
that especially before that, I call it the b C.
Before COVID. Yes, people, you know, there was still some
stuff that people were saying, oh, you know, doctor's medicine,
you know, but now most people are very distrustful of
the medical field. They Whereas before, you know, your doctor

(01:16:08):
would tell you something, you'd be like, okay, sure, right
now is you're like, what, why why do you want
me to do that? Yes? No, no, exactly, I'm in.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
The same boat and I see the same things, you
know what.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
And I laugh because sometimes I'm thinking, you know, somebody
should do a comedy skit and think if you were
the employee or employees probably more than one that a
pharm a company and you have to come up for
the with the names of their drugs. The reason why
I say this is that something. That's why I laugh,
because we just sitting there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
And they throw them out on the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
J It's like okay, you know, like put them in there,
shake the thing and then throw it out on the table.
And the reason I laugh because you know, after a while,
when you listen to this, You're like, Okay, you know,
I might as well just live with whatever that First
of all, they have all these unknown diseases or illnesses
that like what is that? Okay, that's number one, the
number two, it's like, you know what. By the time

(01:17:05):
they rapidly talk about the side possible side effects, you know,
it's like, you know what, I'd rather have whatever that condition.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Is, right, And then there's some of the side effects
are actually some of the things that you're trying to
take the drug for and or.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
And I have to laugh, please do not take if
you were allergic to fill in the blank. And I
was like, how would you know if you're allergic to
this if you may never taken it before?

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Right? Is that like letting them off the hook or something.
I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
And that's I think that's the problem that I think
a lot of people, myself included, to have with this
advertising about big farm and everything. Before this was something
you would discuss with your doctor. Yes, you know, they
would tell you, hey, you know, there's this drug and
this is what it does, and you know these are
this is what we could do with it. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
The hard way that they they get doctors get kicked
on these drugs. Oh yes, yes, I didn't realize that
until my son. And this has been years ago. My
son was very, very sick with a staph infection and
the doctor prescribed something for him, and this was my
pediatrician I took him to, so I trusted the guy.

(01:18:12):
I went to four different pharmacies trying to get this filled,
knowing that if I couldn't get it filled by the
end of the day, my little three year old son
was going to end up in the hospital. You know,
he had a staff infection, for God's sake. So the
final pharmacist was just before closing, and he was like, okay,
we need to talk. Let me call your doctor's office

(01:18:34):
and we'll get a substitute for this because we don't
have it. Nobody in town's going to have it. It's
a new drug. And so he called and he got
it changed, and then he told me, he said, the
reason your doctor prescribed this for your son is because
the drug salesman came through with samples of this new
drug and he's getting a kickback on it. Now while

(01:18:58):
I was trying to heal my son and my right
baby who was going to end up with a staff
infection in the hospital. Yes, are you serious right now?

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
The window of course, of course, because they could they
eat that, you know, or they don't like that, you know,
like well basically when you'se you know, the the generic
you know, or whatever or something that was on you.
But yes, and you know what, I remember that when
you go to all these uh places all the time.
Now even you see all these former reps wheel in

(01:19:30):
and out of that office left, right and down the middle. Okay,
and I'm looking and they're like, I think of myself okay.
And and plus the fact that nowadays getting off the paranormal,
but it still comes back that you know, a lot
of the doctors nowadays, to get paid for their services,

(01:19:51):
they have to do x amount of you know, they
don't own their offices anymore, in other words, and to
get paid they have to you know, have certain tests
and those like you said, certain recommend certain medications. And
their doctor they they don't how's this They don't run
their own practice anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
No, they don't. No, the want only doctor I ever
had that I really did trust. Uh. He jumped from
hospital to hospital because it was just that horrible. They
controlled him everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
He went right, right, And that's the thing. There's like
no escaping it. Nope, as far as uh and and
I've seen it, you know, all the hospitals. I'm sure
you've seen it that eventually they they get is into
some type of hospital system, they become that hospital becomes
part of a bigger system.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Yes, and they're all right right. And I've had doctors
that I know personally who would tell me, look, man,
I agree with you, but there's nothing I can do
about that, because I would lose my license.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Sure, exactly. So they do they do do the the
the AMA, the American medals. So they they'll go head
hunting for you big time, yep, if if you step
out of line. But yeah, there's but yeah, now nowadays though,
people are very and I hate to say it, they're
much more cynical about medical advice.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Yes, And I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Know those people that have switched switched doctors because it's like,
you know, like what you just said, I don't trust
you anymore. You know, I wish I could, but I
just don't trust you anymore. Like before I would have
done anything you would have told me, or taken whatever
you gave me. Not anymore, not anymore some people.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Are becoming proactive about their own health care and they should.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
Yes, And you know what, I hate to say calling,
but a lot of the stuff it happens because I
want to say, collectively, us become people become lazy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
It was like, Okay, you know, somebody else make those big,
heavy decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Right Like like you you want me to read that
little itty bitty print pamphlet that comes in the drug
in the drug package. You know that, It's like, come on,
and even then I look at it, and if you
had to sit there and look and read you know,
the the the disclaimers that come let's say in the
package drugs, you'd never take it or who's but no,

(01:22:18):
who's going to sit there and read it?

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Nobody?

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
You're you're going to say, you know what, I'm gonna
trust that my doctor would tell me what are the
sids or you know or whatever. You'd be like, and
it's like, don't you can't do that anymore? You really
can't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Don't do that anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
You know that that that that's one of those things
that unfortunately has changed recently for a lot of people.
And you know what, the uh, one of the things
that I want to mention because we were talking about
AI and technology and everything. Because because also you're you know,
you're a creator, and I tell everybody, you know what,
for all the hard science and the AI and the

(01:22:56):
robotics and all the surveillance, I think people also gravitate
more towards the mystical because we're human beings, you know, us,
as human beings, there's part of us. Not that I'm
saying make stuff up, but that we yearn for the mystical,
or that that not everything is sharp angles and explainable.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
That's right, you know, that's right. Not everything fits in
a nice little box with a bow tie. Yes, exactly, yes,
And people are really searching for that connection.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Now, yes, and that's why that's the only thing. When
you said that thing about you know, the some or
I may even mentioned the therapists like AI therapy, and
I was like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
No, good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
There's not a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
There's not a good idea to have empathy, right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
No. The other day was the same thing. I can't
remember now which which AI system they were. You know,
they were like basically testing it and they were testing
something along the lines and it was telling people like
horrific things that told another one to come at suicide.
And I was like, Okay, do you see that loss
of incoming? No, it's like yes, so I don't know

(01:24:11):
that that's still out there. But again you know now
that because it sounds to me like you're a psychic medium. Yea,
all right, okay, do do you what happened? Have you
ever gone to a place that you're like, I got

(01:24:33):
to get out of here, like yesterday, that you like, yes,
there's something about this place and I don't know what
it is, but it's like I'm saying no, I'm not
saying uncomfortable. I'm saying like, I gotta get out. Have
you ever been to a place like that?

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
So I have, and I had no choice but to
be there, So I had to plant my feet firmly
on the ground and make all of everything mine gets
manners while I was there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Okay, so it's something intelligent.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Oh, definitely up. And I've had that experience many times
in my life. I actually was just talking to somebody
about this the other day the hospital when my dad
was in the PCU unit whenever he was having right
after he had his heart attack, and I was totally
not expecting this we were totally sleep depressed and we

(01:25:22):
were just trying to get through the emotional impact, you know.
And yeah, that hospital room was incredibly haunted and such
a big challenge to deal with. Hotels, and hotels are
another big deal. They are.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Yes, let me tell you hospitals though for evident reasons
they they that's okay, no, but you were saying that hospitals.
I mean I've spoken to a lot of people, they say,
and especially the the people that worked there, like overnight shifts.

(01:26:04):
Oh yeah, you know, everything quiets down kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
They have some stories that are hair raising.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
I am embarrassed, my poor sister to pieces, I think
because I grabbed a nurse the next morning, the first
one who came in in the morning, and I was like,
tell me about this room and what kind of experiences
you had here? And she was like, oh hmm, come
with meeting, And so she grabbed me and took me
out the hallway and she starts grabbing nurses and texas

(01:26:30):
they're walking by us and going, hey, have you ever
had any experiences in this room? And they didn't even
beat an eye. Every single one of them were like, well,
not in that room, but maybe in that room over there,
maybe that room over there. Yeah, I've had experiences here,
every single one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Yeah, there you go. And your poor sister must have
been like, what is she doing well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Now at that point she was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Yeah, okay. It was like she was feeling it too right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Oh god, yes, No, we had some quite some experiences
in the room. That night, we almost lost Dad again,
and he was at that point he had already been
he already flatlined on his way to the hospital. So
when they resuscitated, he had one foot in each world

(01:27:20):
for the whole month that he was still with us. Okay,
so I have some incredible audio tapes that I plan
on sharing of his experience.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
It was insane, it was other dimensional. It was very
very cool. But in that room, it was not very
very cool. It was.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
Well. You'll get a lot of these nurses that either
work in hospice or even oncology units that will say,
we know when there's going to be a patient that
is going to pass away very soon, because I hope

(01:28:01):
you come back, Colleen. Oh I think did I lose her?
I hope I didn't. Hey, there she comes back anyway.
I don't know if you can hear me when you
when you hear me at.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
All, or sometimes yes and sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
No, okay. But anyway that I was saying that a
lot of these nurses that work either on cology units
or anytime, they say, we know when somebody's going to pass,
even if they're not, even if they're supposedly stable or okay,
because a lot of them will start having conversations with
relatives or start seeing things.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Oh sure, and we know that was not what was
happening in this particular room. In this particular room, there
was one whole wall that was like almost unreal it was.
As a matter of fact, my sister reached out and
she was tired, but I was standing right next to
her when she did this. She reached out to put
her hand on this wall to lean over and grab

(01:28:55):
her purse off the floor, and the wall moved on
her and she just about fell on her face. What
And then it was like this really weird, almost like
television snow or static on that one wall, and my
dad was watching some of the most insane things come
through that wall. But these were things that I mean,

(01:29:16):
my sister and I experienced a lot of the same
things that were happening there, even though we didn't see
the same things that he was seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Okay, And you know what, there was one time, one
story that oh, I think I can't remember if it was.
Sometimes I told so many stories where I read it
same thing. A nurse she's this was I don't know.
It was either nursing home or one of these floors
where they have people that they're elderly, and you know,
two ladies share room. But they were in for the

(01:29:44):
night and she was doing the overnight. So she gets
the Buzzard goes in. One of the ladies is saying, hey,
there was a man in here. She's looking at her.
She's like, darling, you know, she's thinking they're seeing stuff
because these are some of them have a little bit
of dementia or their elderly. She the other one next
to her sleeping, and she's like, you know, maybe he
had a dream. Don't worry, No, he's here, he's there.

(01:30:06):
Whatever leaves, you know, tucks her back in, don't worry
about it. A little while later, like a few minutes later,
Buzzard comes in the other lady next to her, same thing, says, hey,
there's a man in here, and she's like even thought
at one point and one of the patients, I'd gotten
up from one of the other rooms and maybe walked in,
and she just did a real quick sweep, you know,

(01:30:28):
and peeked in and know everybody was in their bed.
She comes back and she's like, no, you know what
if she goes Now, she's trying to figure out, okay,
now did one influence the other? You know? She heard
one say I saw somebody. Then she says she hears
something in the bathroom, which the doors closed, right, so
she describes it. She goes, it wasn't She goes, there's
nothing in there. There was no window and no wind, nothing.

(01:30:50):
She was and it was definitely the sound of like
somebody was in there. So she says she waked up
because she's thinking, somehow somebody got up on this floor.
This was like a third floor. Somebody's in there. She says,
I knew for the fact that all the everybody was
in their bed, so it wasn't somebody that got out
from their bed. So she called up security and she
was like, she says, I'm not going in there. She said,

(01:31:11):
there's a live person in there. And both of these
ladies are describing a man.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
So she's thinking, Okay, there's a man in there.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
There's a man in there. She calls up secure and
she says, look, I heard the noise. There's somebody in there.
I've heard it, like something bumping around in there. And
they're both telling me I didn't security guards open there's
nothing in the bathroom, and she says that the rest
she says, for like a week, she was like, I
was terrified of doing my rounds by myself.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Yeah, she says, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
It's all you know. She goes, I don't know what
the origin of it. If this was something that came
up from the er, you know, on the first floor,
which is possible, you know, that wandered up there, but
she says she heard it. She goes, no, this was
no mistaking. It wasn't like a soft bump or which,
by the way, it still wouldn't have been unaccounted something

(01:32:00):
in there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
I'll tell you another place that I've had incredible experiences. Uh,
And either I have no experience at all, or I
can't sleep at all. And that's hotels and motels.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
Yes, a lot of things go on in hotels and motels,
let me tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Yep, And The other place would be commercial haunted houses.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Oh my god. Yes, people don't think about that, but
they do.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Oh every counted house I've ever been in. And when
I say commercial haunted houses, you know I'm talking about
a commercial haunt you take your friends, you go through during.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Holloway, right right, right, right right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
I've worked in a number of those throughout my life
and career, and every single one of them was really really.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
You would do the makeup for some of the people
that when they were doing well, I.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
Didn't know the makeup. I did makeup and costumes and
set design and sound design and management and all kinds
of crazy stuff for those guys. And they were These
were two of the biggest well at the time, there
were four of the between two and four of the
biggest haunted houses in the United States. Okay, so they
were a big handful, But I was there alone during

(01:33:08):
the day, during the night, you know, for months.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
But I'm saying people don't realize how much preparation goes
into these places.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
There's a lot of prep that goes in on those.
You have a lot of standards and safety standards, and
you have set design and light design and set it's
just incredible. It's like a film set that is I
don't know, You've got thirty five different sets and one building.

(01:33:36):
That's a lot, yes, and then you have between thirty
five and seventy actors, and you have animatronics and blah
blah blah. But that the haunt there was real. I
had so many different experiences in those buildings. I couldn't
even tell you about all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
Do you think that what was there was attached to
the building before it was used as a haunted house or.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
One of it?

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Okay, some of it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
I think that it was a variety of things. I mean,
you get a lot of really crazy and very strange
people coming in through there, Like the people that go
to the cemetery to do things that they have no
idea and no business doing. Would be the same thing
in these haunted houses. Think that they're going to cultivate
this energy and do something with us, and they do.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
They do. That's the bad part they do. Then they
walk away and they're like, here's the people that are there,
like going.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Oh yeah, has some very interesting encounters, lots of lights,
lots of forms, lots of touching, lots of different things
going off and on. Doors slamming.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
You're right, as a matter of fact, one that I read,
which in and of itself, they over at the Eastern
State Penitentiary. You know, they run I don't know if
it's sloppery, but they would have like a haunted house
kind of deal. Yes, And from what I understand, everybody
that worked in it, and I mean, besides the fact
that it's a haunted prison, hello, right, but a lot
of the people that worked, from what I understand, had

(01:35:07):
some very unusual experiences, very disturbing experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Right, I did. I was the very first person to
do a haunted house investigation at Missouri State Penitentiary. And really,
oh yes, and we had a ball but it was scary.
There was a lot of crazy stuff going on in
that prison. And they didn't like women at all, okay,
And they were just mean and angry, just angry. And

(01:35:35):
you know, some of the spirits, some of the angrier
spirits I have met in this life, could have been
mistaken for demons. They were so wolatile.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
Yeah, sure, sure, I'm sure that a lot of those
prisoners had non human attachments in likely, yes, and I
think those things stay behind just besides maybe that prisoner
still haunting it, whatever was with them stills hanging out.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
There, absolutely, and there was a lot of that, a
lot of that. It's just a mean evil place where
well people go into those places with attachments already in place.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
Yes, yeah, it was. I went to h I went
to Moundsville over in West Virginia, and that that place was.
And I was there in the middle of the day,
and but it was one of those like we went
on a weekday, so there was It was great because
it was hardly anybody there, like as far as tourists
were going. So I went in there. And this is
one that I don't know if you're familiar with Moundsville. Moundsville,

(01:36:35):
I believe it's a prison that, uh, I think ghost
hunters went to originally, and they had a part of
the prison called the Sugar Shock that even the guards
would not go into.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
Oh wow, okay, they.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
Were like most of these prisons, they were understaffed, but
it was so out of control that hey, whatever one
and on the Sugar Shock got on your own baby.
And as a matter of fact, there's a very famous
picture that I think she was not a ghost under
I think she was just a tourist took of a
dark you could see as a perfect man at the

(01:37:09):
end of a hallway. It's a very famous picture. But
when I was there, you could see a lot of
these very little cells. By the way, when you look
at them, a lot of them had, you know, paintings
and scrape beings and stuff, a lot of dark or
ritualistic Satanist stuff, hartings, yes, and writings all over all

(01:37:30):
the cells. It wasn't just like one cell. It was
all over the place.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
Yes, that's very similar to my experience as well. My
assistant and I were setting up for a practical effect
in one of the cells while the film crew was
in another building filming, and there were no doors open,
there were no windows open. It is a prison. So
we're in this one cell and we're setting up for

(01:37:56):
a special effect, and all of a sudden, there was
this wind that came through this little cell. It knocked
shelves off of the walls, it knocked all of the yea,
there were boards and things out in the hallway that
had knocked over to and and it was just the creepiest.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
And you're thinking, where did this come from? Of course,
where where you know, where's the wind, where's.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
The that came through well.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
As a matter of fact, that Moundsville this was you know,
these are one of these prisons. The one time Charlie
Manson tried to get transferred there because his family is
from that area, and the warden said, nope, he's too
notorious and we don't want to deal with housing him.
So he got turned down, but he tried to go

(01:38:44):
over to Moundsville to be kept there at Moundsville and
that land as a matter of fact, that the reason
why it's called Moundsville is the Native Americans there had
were mound builders. Oh so the land is adjacent, it's
right there where they built their mounts. So there's a
lot of stuff going on there in that land. Yes, yes, wow,

(01:39:07):
there's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Of stuffy intriguing. That's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
Yes, that's one of those places that energy. Oh yeah,
I mean whatever was going on there. And usually it
was built around the time of the Civil War and
they built it lace conflict, slave you know, labor was
how they built it, and then they kept it and
you know until even during that time, basically execution was

(01:39:31):
by hanging, you know, stuff like that. But yeah, it
has some really and uh that that place has a
very unusual and being nice about it. Even in the
broad daylight it was a sunny day. It's still dark inside.
And I don't know how to explain it. No, not
talking about dark, it's dark like there's a darkness there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
Yes, rout you. Yes, No, it's like a shadow everywhere
you Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
Exactly, that's exact actly what it is. And I mean
we went down and we went to the cafeteria. I mean,
when there's light, there's there's actual It wasn't just like
ambient lighter from lighting. There was an actual sunlight coming in.
It was still an overcast kind of like feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Yep. And there's a shadow. It takes it takes the
light right out of the air.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
Yes, And I think that a lot of the things
that happened in a lot of these places, just the
violence also that went on there. It's like predators. I mean,
these are this is like the predator. The bigger predator
is going to pray have a little predator. I mean
there's no honestly, there's no angels there for lack of
a better word. And some of the things that you

(01:40:44):
have going on there, like what you said that they
didn't like women, you know, that you felt like you
feel that what's the word I'm looking for? The animosity,
you know, it's like, if it was up to you,
you'd either kick me out if I'm lucky, or or
at least kill me. It's something like, you don't want
me here, you do not want me here, and uh,

(01:41:09):
let me ask you. Okay, when you said Missouri, if
I remember correctly, I want to say it was that
prison in Missouri back in the nineteen thirties, Marlene, it
was nineteen thirties. They had this thing where the prisoners
were basically, as a matter of fact, I want to

(01:41:29):
say it was nineteen twenties or nineteen thirties because I
think prohibition was still in effect where they the prisoners
were basically were running the prison. Like the warden had
been one of these guys that even back then was
that of his time, like, oh, we need to give
these you know, these prisoners a second chance, and he
appointed like four of the major prisoners, like oh, I

(01:41:52):
want you to be the go between. Basically, they took
over the prison and they were running booze. They had
illegal u illegal games. They would let out the prisoners
that would come back and basically finally they were busted
up and you know and everything. But they it was
and I want to say it was that one in Missouri.

(01:42:14):
I'm almost positive it was the one that was.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
Not something that I saw in the history there, but.

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
That they wanted to. You could tell it was like
because basically, you know, these these wardens were you know,
they were like the end of you know, whatever they
they said got done and they basically like just told

(01:42:39):
it got to the point where he even back, like
I said, he wanted to do the hug a thug mentality.
And they took over and were running to prison. They
were running drugs, they were running booze, they're running prostitutes.
The prisoners were being able to leave. A couple of
them ended up being able to escape because they would

(01:42:59):
be like to set them on work. Details that were
really lax. But yeah, a lot of these prison systems,
have you read into some of them? They they were
not like everything, they were understaffed and right, you know,
you had a lot of dark stuff going on there.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
Yep, Yes, that's not changed a whole lot through time.
I don't think have.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
You ever gone to done any asylums, Colleen, So no,
I have.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
Not been to an asylum. I you know, they're very
sad and heart wrenching. So no, I have not been
to an asylums. Have you been to one?

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
I did the Tala, which is the hold on a
minute before before before I missed it's the oh, Marlene,
the France Alleghany Lunatic Asylum. And I also did the
one up in and the one that's right outside of Buffalo,
New York. Oh, that that one I did it. Uh.

(01:44:02):
It started out as it was a much smaller place,
and it started out like a poor farm. It's not
like it's not one of the ones in Buffalo if
it comes to me, It's not one of those huge
asylums you know with multiple buildings. It's just like a
little V shaped three story building. Okay, they started out

(01:44:23):
as a poor farm. And let's put it this way.
Even then, this was in the middle of This was
way on the outskirts of Buffalo, and you know, like
a lot of these asylums that were always put out
in the middle. Some thinking when they started this thing
it was really in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Well, yeah, I would have built it horse and wagons man.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
Right, And you know, and unfortunately I want to say
a lot of times they this is where they would
drop off. It wasn't just the people that were crazy
that if they had any type of mental problem, no.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
Or a woman who was too strong minded, anything.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
Yeah, anything, any somehow or other, you might end up
there and whatever. And uh, they it's very that that
places that's got a lot of hauntings. I wish. I
don't know why it escapes me.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
I would think that that would be incredibly heart wrenching
and confusing. Anybody went in there. That was intuitive.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
Well I went again when we when we went in there,
it was a very small group. Again lucky lucky for us.
You know, when we went through with the they well
this is what basically what they did. It's got like
three floors and when you walked in there, like and
I guess what would have been the lobby was where

(01:45:41):
they had their office and there was no lighting in
the rest of the building. They gave you some flashlightcense,
said go for it, just wander around, okay, And it
was like we had to the point that there was
two girls who had gone by themselves and they came
up to said, go can we walk around with you?

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
And we said okay, come on with us. And later
on one of the times, my husband he said they
both had long yet longer here and he like reached
behind and he tugged her hair, and you see, this
girl was like, she's like ready to like And I
looked at him, Oh my god. And I looked at
him and I could tell her the look on his face,
and I was like, oh, I know that was you.

(01:46:24):
I know that was you. This poor woman is ready
to like, you know, drop out the third floor window.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
You know you're going to have footprints all down your
backside when they leave.

Speaker 1 (01:46:36):
Right right. It was like, yeah, I see you gave
him something now, something to remember. By the way, he
never said it was him. He never told him, Hey,
that was me that tugged on your hair. Yeah, It's
like no, no, I could no, he didn't even tell me.
I looked at his face, you know when you look
at somebody. Yeah, And I looked at him and I
like raised my eyebrows and he's trying not to bust
out laughing, and I said, I know you were the

(01:46:59):
one that that poor girl and you could tell she
was like, you know, I'm thinking, please, please, don't hyperventalate.
So were.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
I'm sorry, I just I worked in counted houses a long.

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
Time, right, that's right. I forget about that. I forget
about that. But yeah, the uh, it was incredible, the uh,
the the you know, and like again, same thing people
used to be for lack of a better world, lived
out their lives there, all right. So it's inevitable that
some of these places have they they've got hauntings and
even if they're not malevolent, that presence that they this

(01:47:38):
is maybe what they knew as home. This is the
closest thing they knew. That's where they lived.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
That's right. And you're not welcome, no, some of them.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
Yeah, no, they're not. You know, if they're they're they're
you know, because basically they're or they're used to how's
this they get used to the people that were there. Yeah,
and you're a stranger and I don't know who you are.
You know. That's still that mindset, that hamster wheel mentality
that maybe they had when they were alive. They're still

(01:48:09):
on it. They're still like, I don't know who you
are kind of deal.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
So Colleen, let me ask you. I know that you
have a book, which is the Adventures of a sketch diary. Okay,
this was what's something that you created based on actual
experience or just that you just drew.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
So they actually, every single one of them in that
book are entities and energies that I experienced myself. Okay, okay,
for sure, and I'm working on a second one even.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
Okay, that's what I was about to ask you. Yep,
when you do you sketch like right after or when
is it that you sketch these.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
Experiences when they strike me?

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
Yeah, when they strike me. And some of those some
of them all even start and not finish until later later,
and then some of them I just I can't get
out fast enough.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
Okay. So in other words, I guess my question is
do you feel like that you're inspired at some point
by the spirits? By spirits?

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Or absolutely yes? And some of them quite literally will
ask me to draw them so them will even go
through like I did. I did the Rake. I did
a whole study on the Rake, really yes, and that

(01:49:35):
energy came through so strongly for me that I was
able to even understand some of their physiology, where they
came from, or why they came here, and how they
felt about that.

Speaker 1 (01:49:48):
You know, ask you what what did you get? Because
originally the rake I thought it was a creepy pasta character.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
That's what I thought too, kind of like slender Man.
But yeah, no, they they're very real. You can find
a lot of videos out there with rakes.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
In them, yes, okay, a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
So what they told me was that they were ripped
out of their home and they landed here, okay, and
that they were very unhappy here and they like to
scare people away from them. They're very antisocial, but they're
not necessarily harmful. They stink, really, they smell bad, and

(01:50:34):
they have they sound like a pig whenever a pig squeals.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
Okay, So they're not human, not necessarily. There are other
words physical creature, yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
Yeah, they are a physical creature. And I don't know
where they exactly they came from or who brought them here.
For all I know, it could have been something to
do with a large Hadron collider and just ripped them
right out of their world and plump them here. I
don't know how they got here, but they don't want
to be here and they want to go home, and
they don't like people a whole.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
Lot and there's a and I know that people sometimes
have seen some really weird sightings of what they you know,
they what they call them, you know, and and I
don't know, sometimes things get names that are really weird,

(01:51:29):
like how did how did this become the rake? As
a matter of fact, let's.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
See, I have no idea how they got their name,
and it's not the only name they've ever had either.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
Really well, about how far do you did they ever
tell you how long they've been here?

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
They did not. That's a really interesting question. No, they
did not.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
Okay, that's interesting, you know, like that because I was
thinking of that certain collider. What you were talking talking about,
as far as you know, was the advent of this
creepy pasta that that's why, because this is when they
came into us too.

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
You know, that's very possible. I really got the impression
that it has been since the year two thousand anyways,
But I really don't think they were really not very
descripable how long they'd been here?

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
Can you imagine? That's so interesting? Anything else at your
front across that like that? That's so unusual.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
I ran across I had this is so crazy because
I'm landlocked, man, I'm in the middle of the I'm
in the middle of the United States, you know. And
I had a spirit come to me that was the
essence of a mermaid. And she sat down with me,
and I spent probably two weeks just drawing and painting

(01:52:55):
on her. And while I was painting on her, she
was explaining to me different parts of her physiology. Like
you know, most mermaids they say they've got the gills
on their neck or on their face. Well, no, She's like, no,
your lungs are down in your ribcage, so they're along
the rib page. And this is why we have them there,

(01:53:16):
and this is what purpose our hair serves. And then
we do have webbing on our fingers and toes and
and it was just a really interesting encounter.

Speaker 1 (01:53:26):
Okay, did you include a picture in your in your
sketch book the one or no?

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
I have one? Note not in that one. I'm working.
That's on number two. That's on number two one of
the No. I do have a mermaid in number one,
But she was not necessarily interacting with me more than
just to let me see her. Okay, A lot of
a lot of the energies and entities that I've drawn
in the book that you just showed, The Adventures of

(01:53:53):
a Sketch Diary were exactly that they were. They were
encounters that I had all over the United States, different
places with different types of energies, and a lot of
them were fairy folk.

Speaker 1 (01:54:07):
Okay, or or elementals. Yeah. Yeah, And that's the thing
that sometimes people don't realize elementals are non human, that
that doesn't mean they're demonic. They're just human. They're just
not human.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
And just because they don't look pretty doesn't mean they're bad, right,
But if they look pretty, that doesn't necessarily mean they're
nice either.

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
Which is one of the things that they say about
fairies and everything that yeah, everybody thinks of tinker Bell
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
And I was like, you gotta be careful, yes, because
they can be your best friend if you address them
with respect. They could also be your worst nightmare.

Speaker 1 (01:54:46):
Yes, yes, yes, let me tell you when it comes
to fairy I'm one of those that I prefer to
stay on the I'm just not going to deal be
with you because you always hear these stories where the
human always gets a the stick.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
I did really well with the ones that I knew,
But yes, they can be very mean.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
Yeah, yes, yes, and they're.

Speaker 2 (01:55:11):
I blame the people can be pretty mean to them too.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
Well. I think also that sometimes when we're talking, whether
it's an almnal, you know, we're always looking for things
moral compass. And then by this I don't mean better good,
but think the way we do right or what we
consider and they don't know, they don't and that's what
we have a hard time grasping.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Right, yes or understanding yep, I agree, But you know
people can be the same way. It makes sure people
a whole lot easier to deal with if you can
understand how they're thinking. Yes, it doesn't mean that other
human beings will take the time or energy to understand
why they're thinking the way they do.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
Sure, sure it is.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
That's the same way with energies. You know, Like I
said before, I've met some spirits that were angry enough
that they came off as being demonic, that they weren't.
They were human spirits.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
Yes, I tell her to everybody you know, everybody you know,
because they like to throw that demon word right away.
And I said, you know what, if you were a
son of a gun in life, chances are that when
you're dead, you're still just as awful. You might have
been an awful human being, that's right. Psychic or anybody's
around you is thinking, oh my god, oh this is
so evil, or this is so bad, or it makes

(01:56:22):
me feel so uncomfortable, this must be a level of demonic.
I was like, no, this was just a really bad
human being in life who still gives out that energy.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
Yep, I had of them. Oh and they could be
mean and dangerous.

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
Yes, yes, And I think, as I think personally, that
as more time goes by and they're stuck wherever they're stuck,
they become worse.

Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
Oh and forgetful on top of the worse.

Speaker 1 (01:56:50):
Yes, people don't understand that. You do not understand that
there's a book. As a matter of fact, I fished
it out. I had this thing. This is a very
as a matter of fact, the shoot and this. You
don't find this book. It's really difficult to find. It's
called the astral Plane. And this was by CW. Led Better.

(01:57:12):
As a matter of fact, this one, it's it's basically
it talks about the astral plane. And even though a
lot of people say, well, you know what, the it
wasn't necessarily you know, the spiritualists don't believe everything, and
some of the things that they talk about is exactly
that that a lot of these spirits that the more

(01:57:34):
time that they spend I don't want to say in
the spirit world or trapped in this plane, yes, they
experience what you call that amnesia, that forgetfulness of who
they were or what happened to them or anything like that.
There's another book also there, but yeah, there's another book
called Thirty Years among the Dead by doctor Wicklan, which

(01:57:56):
by the way, he was a psychiatrist that packed us
out of Chicago and he ended up moving to California
and his wife, she acted as a medium, and they
were talking about sometimes and I want to use this
possession word real carefully. Yes, but they came across, like
they would say, because he worked as a psychiatrist where

(01:58:17):
they would sometimes have these patients that for some reason,
let's say they had they became suicidal, for they had
no past of suicidal ideation, and they and in some
instances they found like one time there was this one
they had when they finally communicated. His wife acted as
the intermediary as a medium, and she would start communicating

(01:58:38):
with him. A lot of them at the beginning, couldn't
their name, couldn't remember who they were, what happened to
them or or whatever. And in some cases others though
in the last in other words, the last thing they
kind of remembered was trying to commit suicide for example, Right,

(01:58:58):
but they never understood that they have been successful, all right,
So they would attach, let's say, to somebody and that person.
That's why sometimes they would say that you would they
would have a person, let's say, in this case, a
woman all of a sudden had no history of this,
all decided wanting to do the same thing. And basically
it was this one spirit that was trying desperately to

(01:59:20):
reenact what it thought it hadn't accomplished. And it's it's
very interesting when you read the but they described that
that's very very common, that amnesia kind of state where
they're real fuzzy about what year it is and what
their name is, or where they what happened to them?

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:59:41):
And so, yeah, a lot of people think that you're
on the up and up even when you're dead.

Speaker 2 (01:59:46):
Not really especially No, we ran across and we've got
an EVP along these lines where my sister is she's
trying to talk to this spirit down in Bates count
of Missouri, and which we we've done a lot of
different hauntings down there. I had to do with Order
number eleven and the Civil War. That was a very

(02:00:07):
heavy place for those times. Yes, So she was telling
the spirit, she said, do you happen to know what
the date is? It's October two thousand and seven or
two thousand and eight. And the spirit came back and
said two thousand and eight, two thousand and eight.

Speaker 1 (02:00:26):
Right, yes, Like what are you talking about? Yeah, what
are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (02:00:30):
Yeah, it's been wait yo, what yes?

Speaker 1 (02:00:35):
Yes, right, like their existence whatever it is, the passage
of time is not the way we see it. Yes,
or in some cases you'll see these and I'm sure
you've come across these stories of hauntings where they'll see
an apparition that's basically going through walls or doorways or
on a floor level. It doesn't exist anymore because they

(02:00:56):
exist on whatever was there at the time when they
were alive.

Speaker 2 (02:01:00):
That's right. Yes, I have had that experience.

Speaker 1 (02:01:04):
Yeah, they you know, you see some of them, will
they're cut off off the knees is because the floor
level was lower, or they'll see them going through the wall. Yeah,
one time they verified. Yeah, there used to be a
doorway right in that wall, right, And it's almost like
they're living, well, not living, that's the wrong word.

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
They're existing, yes, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:01:25):
And what what they're in other words, maybe the house
or the structure where they're living. They're living badyl word,
Marty is what they what they originally was there, not
what happened, which of course explains also and I'm sure
you've heard that when people start doing some type of
renovations at their houses, it stirs things up.

Speaker 2 (02:01:43):
Oh, yes, yes it does, or it can yes m hm.

Speaker 1 (02:01:47):
So you're where do you know when you're going to
be releasing the second book or you don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:01:51):
Yet, you know, the whole thing with my dad kind of.
So I am currently working on that. I am hoping
to have that down in the next couple of months
and then we'll see where the publisher takes it from there.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
Okay, it's been great to speak to you. Calling for
my podcast listeners. What's the website where they can find
your content?

Speaker 2 (02:02:12):
So you can find my book at hangerwepublishers dot com.
You can find my Oh I've got a little black Kidy.

Speaker 1 (02:02:21):
This is my rescue. I had to bottle feed her
because I found her out in an abandoned and I
think mama abandoned her and I found after she had
just opened her eyes, Marnie. But we call her. We
have different names for her. The menace, princess, the lounge lizard.

Speaker 2 (02:02:36):
You name it. She's a black cat.

Speaker 1 (02:02:39):
Oh my god, she is. But and it's really funny
because when I brought her, my husband's like, and now
he's crazy about her.

Speaker 2 (02:02:46):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:02:46):
And we call her his hairdresser because she'll sit on
the back of his six seat and she'll start doing
this thing with his Hair's like, hey, your hairdressers, they're
working on you. So yeah, she's like she wants to Yeah,
that's right, Marnie. Don't. But then all I have to
do is go like this, how was my an? This

(02:03:09):
is my enforcer. It's water inside of my dog's the
same thing. And see I just show it to her.
She's like looking at her like what, well, so you
can tell she's looking at it. She's like hypnotized. You
know what that means, right, don't you? Don't you rain?

Speaker 2 (02:03:22):
But yeah, so if you want to see some of
my special effect work. You can go to Colinkoffman dot com.

Speaker 1 (02:03:29):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:03:29):
If you want to see some of my pureanormal work,
you can go to the rabbit Hole dot Club.

Speaker 1 (02:03:34):
Okay, all right, and I'll put the links in the
credits of the show. It's been a it has been
a pleasure to speak to you, Colleen, and I hope
you come back and we can keep talking about this.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
Actually, i'd love that very much, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
Yes, absolutely, are you by the way, are you doing
anything for Halloween? And I know it's worth coming up
of there's al any Halloween stuff in the stores. What
are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (02:03:56):
Yeah? Right, I I don't know yet, to be honest
about it, I have my whole schedule, my whole life
has just been turned upside down. I know, I'm trying
to get things back on track. But normally I'm doing
a lot of makeup and fun stuff for Halloween. But
we just moved to a new town, oh Okay, in

(02:04:17):
this last November, so I know that they're a really
big Halloween town. So I'm anxious to see what we
can do together.

Speaker 1 (02:04:24):
Sure, And that's the thing. A lot of these hunted
houses that had closed down for the last couple of
years they started. Well they come back, Yes they are.
You know, people are ready to have fun. Like I said, everybody,
I tell everybody, you know. Like I went to a
store and I look and I'm seeing all their gardening
and summer stuff on sale, and I go, oh, oh,

(02:04:44):
sure enough when I turned the corner, they have all
the Halloween stuff and it's like, it's just August. What
is this? You know they're fall Halloween stuff. I could
believe it.

Speaker 2 (02:04:54):
One of the hunted houses I used to work for
opened the last part of August. Really yep, so they
would be open the last part of August, all of
September and all of October.

Speaker 1 (02:05:05):
I live. I live very close to, like an hour
away from how from Universal where they have the Halloween
horror nights. Oh right, yeah, yeah, sometimes they're better than others.
You know, they always have like a theme for that
that year. I don't know what theme they have this year,
but yeah, they have some neat stuff. And uh, let

(02:05:25):
me tell you something that that's a problem. When you
have a good imagination, you go into those haunted houses
where they can teach, you know, touch you, and you're like,
I know, this is just somebody with makeup, but god exactly.
And my husband's like, yeah, all right, he doesn't care.
He's one of these like who cares. Yeah, okay, yeah,
sure you know. And I'm like, but okay, you go

(02:05:49):
in front. You know, I got it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:51):
You know that doesn't always work, right.

Speaker 1 (02:05:54):
I know that. It's like you're my body shield. And
I put like my hands around his waist and he's
walking through there was like and they're like he's like okay,
you know, and like no, let's concentrate a lady behind
him who's having a heart attack. It's like, yeah, I'm
the kind of person that walks through that. They that
they believe me, they earn their keep watching me, like

(02:06:14):
have a meltdown.

Speaker 2 (02:06:16):
Yeah, you're one of those fun girls that we want
on camera.

Speaker 1 (02:06:19):
Oh yeah, like you know, or I close my eyes,
it's like you know that that universal thing. If I
close my eyes, it can't get me.

Speaker 2 (02:06:27):
Oh yeah. If I can't see you, you can't see.

Speaker 1 (02:06:30):
Me me exactly right exactly. That's that type of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah again, Colleen, thank you so much. It it was
lovely to speak to you.

Speaker 2 (02:06:40):
Do youar back at you, my dear, You have an
incredible evening and we'll talk soon.

Speaker 1 (02:06:45):
Sure, take care, good bye. Oh wow, that was great
to talk to her. She must have so many great
stories just on the but the makeup she's done, think
about it, see because she comes. I'm trying to turn
on a fan that keeps turning off. I have like
a desk fan. Anyway, you know, when we were talking

(02:07:11):
about that, I know, cgi is really neat. It's especially
if you're looking at a movie and it looks so whah,
but come on, I don't know. There's something about special effects,
especially special effects that are well done. And as a
matter of fact, and my husband, we'd go retro sometimes

(02:07:33):
we'll look at some of these other movies starting from
the seventies on, you know, and we laughed, you know,
and sometimes some of the special effects were like this
is hilarious, especially the customs that was like okay, that
budget must have been like what ten dollars. And then
there's others that even I'm sure even when you look
at them, even if the budget was a little bit
maybe restricted, there their effects or the monster, whatever it

(02:07:59):
is that they've got going on is really it's impressive.
It's good, it's well done, and I don't know. It
just yeah, it has a special effect difference as far
as versus something you know, a CGI that you know,
of course, CGI is like wow, you know it's perfect
and so intense. But I don't know. I guess that's

(02:08:20):
the creator in me that I'm thinking. You know what,
if everything is created by CGI, it's like after a while,
I want to say, it becomes commonplace, like it loses
its specialness and I understand, you know, like, how's this

(02:08:42):
Let's say certain movies, you know, especially let's say you
have an outer space shot or a spaceship or some
some things. It's like, Okay, maybe we need to see
GI this. But at the same time, it's like mm hmm,
now you want to you want to see I don't know,

(02:09:02):
I don't know. I'm a big I love to see
creativity of movies. And I'm not just talking horror movies,
anything anything, whatever type of movie. You know, besides the acting,
let's put the acting out onto the side. But what
goes on around the movie, whether it's the set or
the setting or the whatever, or in this case even
the costumes or that makes the movie. How's that? You

(02:09:27):
know that? Like if this wasn't there this movie would
be like whoa. I mean sometimes that makes or breaks,
but let's go down, you know, whether it's fantasy or
horror or anything like that, where you look at some
of these special effects or the makeup and you're like, wow,
that's incredible. That is so well done. I remember when

(02:09:54):
American Werewolf in London came out, and I want to
say that, yeah, before that, they had done werewolf movies
with the transformation and you know, but usually it was
like a man with a wolf face, but he was
you know that if I remember correctly, and that might
be wrong, on this was like one of the first
times that you saw that full body transformation into a

(02:10:17):
were wolf, not like a guy with a wolf head
with still his clothes on or you know. And I
know already got wowed with that because it was like, what,
it's incredible and yeah, that's that's what I'm talking about, part,
part creativity, effects, makeup the whole nine yards that it

(02:10:37):
just like, wow, that's incredible. That that made the movie.
I mean that the movie was great, it was I
really liked that movie, but that scene that everybody was like,
oh crap, you know, he's just not gonna do you know,
this little transformation little by little wear hair just starts
sprouting that you could tell, and then you get you know,
the little black nose kind of dog thing, and you know,

(02:11:00):
or the fingertips you actually saw the transformation take place.
I don't know, and you know what, I guess it
all depends. Also, old you are. If this is all
you ever know, this is all you ever know, you know,
you just you know. In other words, if you if

(02:11:20):
your experience of movies, I want to say, movies have
always been cgi produced, you know effects. You look maybe
some of this older stuff and you're like, man, that's
that's that's so cheesy, right because you're you know, you're
you're used to you're, for lack of a better word,

(02:11:40):
you're jaded. You're only going to go for like the
the effects that are over the top. But again, I
may tell you something. I think Hollywood is in for
a rude awake. Well, no, no awakening. They're awake. They
they know what's going on. I think they see the
writing on the wall. And when she was talking about that,
that's why they were These actors and the writers and

(02:12:04):
people that are involved that they're saying, hey, you know what,
pretty soon. We're not We're going to be We're not
going to be needed pretty soon. We're we're you know,
what we need is there for us to however, and
I will put in my two cents worth. I personally,

(02:12:25):
with the last few years of Hollywood am very disappointed
because it seems that the only thing that they could
produce are a sequels, prequels, or redos of existing movies.
And that's very disappointing when I look at that, because
I'm thinking, I already saw this, already saw a version

(02:12:46):
of that. In other words, this is not like a
movie that came out in the forties and you guys
decided to revamp it and give it a This is
not that's like you guys. It seems like nobody's got
an original idea, storyline. You know, they or they take
like a what they call youse, you know, the certain characters,
and it's like, come on, like give me, give me

(02:13:07):
something different, something original. I'm gonna give you a perfect example.
When Jurassic Park came out. I remember my kids were little.
I took them to see it like the first showing.
I've got some tickets for like an afternoon show, and
I got my tickets and it was packed. I mean,
of course, this was when theaters were like the big thing,
so much so that my youngest was seven years old.

(02:13:28):
When the guy got eat in the bathroom, he came in,
he sat in my lap because him and his brother
and sister were sitting like ahead, because they were like,
we're gonna sit here, plus the seating. Next thing, I know,
he's like staring at me like, oh, when I come
sit on your lap, it's like okay. But anyway, when
you saw this movie, it was like, wow, the idea,
even though it was based on a novel, the idea

(02:13:49):
was it was revolutionary.

Speaker 2 (02:13:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:13:51):
I had to buy so many after that, so many
Jurassic Park figures from my kids. It was incredible. But anyway,
and then even when they did the second one, in
the third one, it was like but still it was
a fresh idea. It was new, it was unheard of. Wow.
And now they just keep going like it's like stop it,
stop it. You're ruining a great idea, and they keep

(02:14:12):
remaking it and starting to massage it, and it's like
where where's all the originality? Nobody can come up with it,
Like an original storyline that's not a version of the
other movie or just a straight copy. Sometimes it's just
an out and out copy of something that's out recently.
By the way, again, that's my two cents worth in

(02:14:34):
as far as creativity and Hollywood is like sometimes it's
like where did all these people that would I don't know.
And I know that a lot of these movies are
based off of books or novels and they buy the
rights to them, and a lot of times I know
they tweak them and they take the storyline different ways

(02:14:54):
than what was the author originally wrote it as. But still,
but it's like nobody's coming up with anything, like why
here I go, I sup personally, I'm superheroed out. I'm like, oh,
you can do that, that's great, huh. You know, like, oh,
in everybody's like super super karate superheroes. I was like,

(02:15:20):
give me a just a normal run of the mill
human hero. When I mean hero, I mean like the protagonist.
I'm sorry, in my in that movie, can't we just
have a regular person, you know, maybe intelligence or something something. Okay,
you know, the protagonist is a protagonist, but that doesn't

(02:15:40):
come from another planet, have superhero powers or a vampire
ors you know, like, give me a normal person and
give me a story. The more superhero I don't want
to there no more comic superheroes. And when it came
out at the beginning, it was great, but that's it. No,

(02:16:01):
let me tell you that. And I'm pretty I'm pretty accepting.
Like you know, I remember when the Lord of the
Rings trilogies came out. I went, you know, I took
my especially one of my sons who's like a big
Lord of the Rings fan, We went to the midnight
showing when it came out. I'm enthusiastic about all of that,
which I love those movies, but there's a time where

(02:16:24):
these storylines you have to say, that's it. This is
the last movie we're going to do along these lines.
Somebody please come up with an original idea, or please
go purchase a novel or a story from somebody that
nobody's ever heard of. Okay, and by the way, in
that movie, nobody flies through the air, all right, or
shoots lightning boats out of their butt. Okay, none of that.

(02:16:48):
You can tell why I'm going with this. But anyway, guys,
I hope you like this interview with Colleen. I think
she's super interesting. I'll put a link to her website
on the credits of the show. Again, she's working on that.
I'm hoping I can bring her back when she comes
up with her second sketchbook. And again, sign up for
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(02:17:31):
I'm in all of them right, different series you can
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Shade Diary or Supernatural story Time or Eerie News I've
put I've got my finger in a lot of pies,
all right. And yes, speaking of Halloween, I will do
a Halloween and I know I promise to do a

(02:17:56):
live stream. I promise I will do the Halloween show.
I don't know it if I will do a livestream
because it's on a third I don't know, let's see.
But I definitely will do a Halloween show for this year.
Let's see what we come up with as far as
Halloween themed, weird stuff around Halloween, stuff of that like that.

(02:18:20):
But yeah, and then man, it's after that, it's all
downhill from there for the rest of twenty twenty five.
Let's see what happens. God knows I had a lot
of stuff could so guys, till next time. Thank you
for being part of my audience. You're all wonderful and
I will be seeing you soon. Take care,
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