How High is the Strangeness | Interview with Dr. Bruce Olav Solheim | Podcast - Stories of the Supernatural

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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being part of my audience and I think you are
all wonderful. So how's everybody doing good? I hope everything
is good on this end. You know, well, let me
do my my my ten seconds of complaining about the

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brutal hot weather. No, it is, it's really you know what,
I'm not a sweaty person. You know, there's people that
sweat perspire for like any I'm not one of these people.
I mean, if you see me sweat, it's like and
I it's like I feel sometimes like my eyeballs are
sweating when I go outside. That's that for me. That's
a lie, I guess, is my point. It's like brutal.

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I mean, like you know how you see sometimes people
all they're sweating and you have to wear it. It's
like I feel like that's like I was never like this,
and it's like and I'm sweating, I'm sweating into my eyes.
It's like that's an uncommon thing. But to me, it's hot.
And you know what, I don't know, I've always been
a weather wimp. But it's just like, as a matter

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of fact, it's it's really funny because a lot of
the it's either raining because because or it's so hot
that you don't want to go outside and do anything
all right, like mow the lawn. So it's like, uh,
it's like any excuse to say inside the ac And
then I think, wait, you know what, what's about of

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time there was no ac? There was a fan that
we were lucky and people survived, people lived. But like
I said, I've become a weather wimp. But yeah, besides that,
everything is fine. Everybody's asked me, all my chickens are
doing good. My guineas are there. I've had some with
incubators and I've sold them off because those guineas there're

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something else. As a matter of fact, my neighbors so oh,
I love to see them running across your property and
it's like, yeah, those little little Yeah, I'm not gonna
say what they are, but yeah, because they they'll they're great.
They're wonderful to happen. But every once in a while
they'll just go over the fence and it's like here
we go. So you see me like doing like a
guinea rodeo outside the my fence line. So but anyway,

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they thrive, I'll tell you this much. They They walk
around no matter if it's raining, if it's hot, if
it's cold, if it's lightning is striking, nothing, everything is
good with them. Also, I wanted you know how I
always talk about, you know, all these new uh what
do you call it? Uh? You know that we get

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all these news that sometimes I tell them, you know how,
Now even the weather I get. Now it's you know,
arctic blasts in the winter or you know the hot temperatures,
which you know on the phone you get constantly blasted
on that. But you know, I wanted to show you
this and you might think, oh, here it is. This
is a This is an article that was just published

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a couple of days ago on on a gizmoto and
it's titled Sleeping Giant fault under Canada Show's major earthquake.
And I had to read it because it was like, Okay,
there's there's a bunch of let me see if I
can get rid of this. Nah, not this one. No,
mm hmmm, get out of here, hey, and you get

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out of here and you here we go, all right? Anyway?
And I read it because you know, we've had all
these earthquakes and volcanoes and everything, and I'm like, man,
you know what, what else now? Canada. Then I'm reading
into it and it's saying, after twelve millennia a relative inactivity.
I'm like, wait a minute, twelve millennia, that's that's that's

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a thousand that's twelve thousand years. Anyway, the article, it's interesting.
It's basically it's talking about there's a geologic fault that
stretches across Yukon and Alaska that now appears capable of
producing a major earthquake. And this is according to a
new study. Now this is called the Tintina Fault, and

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it runs about six hundred and twenty miles from northeast
British Columbia through the Yukon in Alaska, and it's remained
quiet for the last forty million years. I was like,
what you know? And the reason I guess why I'm saying,
I understand they're trying to say, hey, this is my
thing might blow, but this thing has not done anything
for millions of years. Let me see. Anyway, they're you know,

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like everything. Now they're using high resolution topographic data and
they identified the researchers identified an eighty one mile long
segment of the Tintina produced multiple large earthquakes far more recently.
How recent you may ask. The last one occurred about
twelve thousand years ago, as stress has been building on

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the fault ever since. And you know what, I think
this is really interesting. But like I said, I looked
at that and I was like, earthquake, Oh my god,
this is imminent, or it is about to happen, or
you know, like a volcano that maybe is become active
and maybe is spewing smoke or lava or something like that. No,
this is twelve thousand years old. I guess my point

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is maybe there's people out there that think this is
really interesting. But again, I guess my point is that
sometimes I think that we get too much information that
puts us like it, oh my god, you know, and
this is one of those, and hopefully not because God knows,
we don't need we don't need anything like this. To

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be honest with you, other, like, you know, like why
to worry about you know, the uh because even now
when they had this last earth that they evacuated Hawaii
and well basically anything along the Pacific coast, you know,

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you know tsunami. You know, everybody's thinking of what happened
in Japan was it in twenty eleven, and I'm thinking,
oh my god, it's going to be horrible, and thankfully
it turned out not to be. You know, even I
know parts of southern Califoria everything, there was a bunch
of places that on look along the coastline. I told
people either evacuate or go to higher ground. And it's

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like sometimes, I guess my point is that they overworry us.
How's that they overworry us because there's just some things
there's just no control over. Absolutely, earthquakes being one of them,
and volcanoes being another, but something that has been dormant
for thousands of years. It's like plus by the way,

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I never read the article earlier. Basically, the main stretch
of this is in the middle of We're Canada. There's
I think there's a little town out there that it's
got like fifteen hundred people.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Right.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Don't get me wrong, all life is precious, but it's
not like this is running through a highly populated area
where you know there's thousands or millions could die no
or at least be if not that that they would
lose their home. I don't know. Tell me what you think,
because I know that a lot of people think that
sometimes this is great, like when you get a flat

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tire or something like that, or an emergency. But there's
times that, man, you know, having too much information overloads
us and makes us worry about stuff we shouldn't be
worrying about. You know, there's other stuff more imminent that
we should And I don't know, let me know what
you guys think, especially about this thing with the earthquake.

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And I guess my question is, lately we've had you know, reports,
this is the last few months. I'm not saying earthquakes, eruptions, tremors,
this and that, and I think they've always been around,
but all of a sudden we've getting all these reports,
which makes us think, and I might be wrong about this,
that we've been constantly that it's about it's about the blow.
And I think a lot of these trumors have been

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happening all along, they just haven't been major and they
were just weren't covered as they are now now. Don't
get me wrong, that one that happened, the most recent
one off the coast of Russia, on that peninsula, that's
a pretty significant tremor. But still, all right, I don't
know that's my two cents. But I don't know, I'm
how's did I'm over? I guess I'm saturated with this

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everything imminent kind of notification kind of deal, you know,
for what it's worth. But anyway, let me get on
to the good part. The good part is who is
our guest today here at Stories are the Supernatural. This
is his first time here. His name is Bruce Olive
Olav Solheim. He was born in Seattle, Washington to Norwegian

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immigrant parents. He's a disabled veteran. He served for six
years in the US Army as a jail guard in
West Germany and later as a warrant officer helicopter pilot
at the eighty second Airborne Division. As a civilian, he
worked as a defense contractor Boeing for five years, then
went on to earn his pH d in history from
Bowling Green State University in nineteen ninety three, with his

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main field being US foreign policy. Bruce was the first
person in his family to go to college and is
currently a Distinguished Professor of History at Citrus College, Englendora, California,
where he has taught for twenty six years as a
Fulbright Professor and scholar. Doctor Solheim taught at the University
of t trom Tromso in Northern Norway in two thousand

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and three. In two thousand and one, he founded the
Veteran Program at Citrus College, and in two thousand and
seven co founded, along with Ginger del Villa Rose and
former East Los Angeles VET Center director Manuel Martinez, the
first in the nation college transition course for recently returned
back trends, called boots to Books. A prolific writer, Bruce

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has published eleven books in written ten plays, six of
which have been produced. In addition to his academic books,
he has published several books about the paranormal. Since the
age of four, he has experienced angels, demons, ghostscriptied's telepathy, psychokinesis, mediumship,
and alien contact. Boy We're gonna ask you about that.

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He recounts his experiences with high strangeness and his Timeless
trilogy books titled Timeless, Timeless de Javu, and Timeless Trinity,
and a book about his contact with non human intelligence. Wow,
we Got a lot to talk to him about. Alongside
his list of published works, he's also published two comic
book series, Snark Issues one and two features an alien

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hybrid character of the same name and Doctor Jekyl Alien
Hunter issues one and two with a female lead character.
Bruce is married to Ginger and has four children, one
serving in the US Air Force and two grandsons. Help
me welcome him. How are you doing today, Bruce, Let
me take you off.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
I'm sorry, it's all right. Hello. Thank you for having
me on your show. And yeah, you brought up some
really interesting things. I I do worry about volcanoes. I
grew up in Seattle. We have giant Mount Rainier looming
the whole time, you know, and we would have you know,
tourists or friends from Norway coming or relatives from Norway

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coming to visit, and they say, oh, that's such a
beautiful mountain. And I kind of look at things in
a dark way sometimes, so I say, it is beautiful,
but you know, when she blows all this is gone,
We're all. You know, you can't live like that. You know,
that's not living.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
It's like but the thing.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
And then for a while I was worried about meteorites
because I read some article and this is what happens
if I read too much, you know. Yeah, yeah, I
sympathized with you. So yeah, this lady a meteorite went
through the roof of her house.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah, I heard that.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
And I thought, oh my god, now I got to
look up all the time.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
And that doesn't like you, man, somebody doesn't like you.
You're getting picked up by the universe, man of a media, right, So.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, so yeah, I understand what you were saying.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Well, no, earlier today I read this. Well, I just
like looked at the intro and introduction, the little synopsis
about that the media that they thought was going to
hit her instead is going to hit No, not a meteor.
Is it a meteor and an astro? I don't know.
It's going to hit the moon instead. And I'm like, okay,
that'll be wonderful.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
That's not going to do us any good either.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
No, of course not, of course not. It's like, no,
that's just this catastrophic I guess, or I don't know,
but yeah, when I read stuff like that, it's like,
and you know what, the truth is not a lot
of people sometimes they because they bury this not all
the time, but they bury it sometimes further towards the
body or the end of the article about what what
they're basing it on. And it's sometimes it's kind of

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flimsy a little bit. Yeah, like well, you know this
sounds kind of improbable of anything.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, maybe maybe not.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, you know when you're hoping, I'm not. It's like
where are you gonna go?

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (14:19):
But yeah, this this thing about the I looked at
it again because oh my god, man, what other place
has got. It's like that's twelve thousand years ago, was
the last thing they had The trummers like, come on,
and like I said, this is in the middle of
nowhere in Canada with maybe like one of these little
little towns. You know, there's a Canada is so vast, Yeah,

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and there's just areas out there that there's just forest.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, spread out. The people are spread except for well
they're in they're very much in the southern part of Canada, right,
highly dense you know, city areas, and then the rest
of us just spread out everywhere.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah. But this is like from what I was looking
at the the fault, like this tintint thing. It's in
the middle. It's not towards where you know, they have
all these cities and stuff. And I was like, you
know what, I'm not going to read this anymore because basically,
like I kind of do like what you just describe,

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a start thinking, oh my god, earthquake. And you know,
people don't realize that. You know, you have volcanoes and
you have earthquakes, two different things in a way. I
mean one produces, you know, but and I've been hearing
also the same thing, that yellowstone that's supposed to be blowing,
and it doesn't. You know, I think sometimes you know,
they can only guesstimate sometimes up to a certain point,

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despite all the advances. But I think as a matter
of fact, most more people die because they fall into
the you know, that hot water. You know, they found
a few people that have kind of like boiled, some
by accident and other unfortunately by on purposed kind of deal.
But yeah, so anyway, you in the bios is subscribed

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that you start having experiences as you were a kid.
What happened with that?

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, Well, my first experience that I really remember was
in northern Norway. We were visiting my grandmother on a
remote island two hundred miles above the Arctic circle. And
she lived in this little farm house which I still
own with the property. Nobody lives there. It's just like
a haunted house right now. But it's a cool haunted house.

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So so yeah, we're visiting. And we stayed there for
nine months. And I got really sick and it was
a wintertime and I got so sick so quick. I
made it home with my little friends. They helped me.
I was, yeah, four, I was probably five, maybe I
just turned five, and got to the I got to

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the house, went into the kitchen as like a farm
kitchen with a little day bed in it, because my
grandmother was elderly and she sometimes couldn't make it up
the steep stairs, so she'd just take a nap in
the day bed. So I was lying down there, and
of course it's the dark time that the sun doesn't
come up for three months, so it's kind of spooky
to begin with, and in those northern latitudes. And I

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was crying and I couldn't move my head, I couldn't
move my limbs. I was like almost paralyzed, and I
had a high fever. And the neighbors who were our
relatives all came in and said, oh, no, this is
what happened when so and so got polio. You know,
this is my god, So they're scaring my parents and
my grandma to death. You know, and I just cried
myself to sleep, and then everybody kind of left the

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kitchen went had coffee or something in the living room,
and then I woke up and I saw this light
in the in the beams of this old farm kitchen,
and it was very warm, and I just felt like
everything was going to be okay. I can't really say.
There wasn't like necessarily a human figure you're or some
kind of It was just a warm light that like

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a healing light, and I felt I took away all
my pain, everything I just was. I felt fine, and
I must have drifted off back to sleep. And then
when I woke up, my grandmother and my mother were
in the kitchen and I jumped out of bed and
started running around and they said, oh my gosh, it's
a miracle. Yeah, and I told him I saw, well,

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I saw this light. You know, a five year old kid,
they don't know, you know, it's a light. And then
I felt better and I fell asleep and now I'm okay.
And my both my mom and my grandmother said it
was your guardian angel that saved you, that rescued you.
And I took it for what they said. I said,
guardian angel, and you know, I went, I was, you know,

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a Lutheran school kid, you know, going to you know,
our Sunday school, and said, I just believe that's what
it was. I know it's something different now, but but
at the time, that's so. What A did. Though, more importantly,
what it did is it opened the aperture. It opened
this window to another world that I you know that

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I then it became normal for me. So the paranormal
became normal, and I started having experiences all the time.
And luckily I had my mother who was also having experiences. Okay,
she was a very good psyche. She taught me I

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read cards, you know, just a regular playing card. We
would send and receive. And he taught me and made
my dad nervous. You know, he didn't like it, so
he'd make us put the cards away, but you know,
when he was gone, we would do it again. So
and then she taught me other things. She said, there's
a time to talk about this, and there's a time
not to. In other words, situational awareness. So when I

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went to school and I was talking about all these people,
my invisible playmates, invisible to other people but not to me,
and telepathy and all that, and the teacher said, we
don't talk about that at school. That's not real. You
better talk to your parents about that because you're not allowed.
So I went home. I was crying, and my mom said,
it's okay, just some people. You're not going to be

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able to talk to everybody about this. Not everybody wants
to talk about it or has these experiences or acknowledges it.
So I learned very quickly that I kind of had
to keep it quiet, unfortunately, because kids are so psychic
and so in tune, and then they kind of the
school system oppresses, you know, it just kind of knocks

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it out of them.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah, and it's so unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
And but I kept it alive because of my mother,
you know she uh yeah, she just taught me how
to use it, you know, and how to how to
do when to use it more important, how to turn
it off, how to turn it on, you know, that
kind of stuff which.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
A lot of parents they they they want when they
have the kid having they quiet them down, not so
much because maybe they don't believe it, but because they
don't want their kids to be looked at. You see
what I'm saying that they would like trying to protect
your child. Yeah, like saying oh no, no, no, don't talk
about at least you had your mom, YEAHO helped you
cultivate it, but just told you, look, you have to

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only speak at certain times about this.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, keep it under wraps.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, so that's yeah, So that's where it started. And
then I just kept having frequent, uh you know, random
and frequent experiences throughout really throughout my life, you know,
continuing to this day. I mean, now I manage them.
I don't ever say I control it, because that's that's presumptuous,
you know, to say you can control all this stuff.

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I just say I manage it pretty effectively. And I've
learned how to do what I call spirit walks and
make these connections and other times I just put it
on ignore or turn it off, you know, and just yes.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
In other words, I take it that after you left
your grandmother's house, you still continue with these experiences.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah. Yeah, that started lifelong experiences. Everything that you mentioned
in the I there. I mean, I've experienced all that stuff,
all the high strangeness, and and uh I've learning how
to use it. Uh, you know, judiciously ethically is very
important and I think children should be taught that if

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they have these abilities, which I think all of them do,
some more agreed than others, you need to be taught
early on how to be ethical with it and not
use it in a manipulative way. Because people who do
have a lot of these gifts don't use them that way.
They they and and it's it's it's yeah, it's very

(22:37):
scary sometimes when I meet somebody who I know has
a dark aura and I go that, you know that
person's you know, they got a lot going on there,
but they're not using it for anything good.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
I can let me ask you, yeah, because obviously you
can see us.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Then I can not all the time. But if I
focus on it, yeah, I mean, that's not my necessarily
my specialty. I have more of the audio, and like
when I connect with spirits, I hear their voices. Sometimes
I see there, it's a weird thing. I see their

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like handwriting. I'll ask them a question and I'll and
it might be a yes or no question, and I'll
see and it's usually in script. You know, it's like cursive,
right right. They don't teach in schools anymore, I know,
I know. And it's golden. It's really cool because it's
golden cursive and that. Yeah. So, but sometimes I have

(23:35):
the visual too, and you know, I do see things.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
But the reason why I asked you if you had
ever seen because you said that thing about the dark auras. Yeah,
seeing any spiritual attachment to anybody's aura. I mean, besides
let's say the dark coloring.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
I haven't like seen like what the entity is, be
able to identify it, No, I haven't. I haven't been
able to do that. I just get a feeling that
there is something wrong. And part of that comes from
survival from I worked in a prison in Germany and
later and I worked in a maximum security prison, so

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I guarded a person on death row. I guarded mass murderers.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
I was gonna say that must have been people with
a lot of darkness around them for lack of a.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Better word, Yes, and it's just and it mainly manifests
in their eyes, which I focused on. That to me,
which is well, the mass murderers that I uh, you know,
because i'd have to frisk search them. So I was
actually right on them, you know, touching them, you know,
frisking them, and I would look into their eyes and

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I would see like a deep, bottomless well. That That's
what it looked like to me. With no I felt
like there was nothing there, no spark and it maybe
you know, maybe they never had it, or maybe it
was take away from them. I don't know, but I
know what they did, you know, probably as a result.

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And and the other thing I noticed, and they could be
very charming, that which is scary. You know. Ted Bundy
apparently was very charming, you know, especially to ladies, you know,
but he was very charming. But they, you know, they
can the switch is so quick if they can go
from being charming and very polite and nice too murderous

(25:26):
and homicidal just in the blink of an eye. And
they wouldn't feel it either way. It doesn't really matter
to them. They don't feel it.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
So now they put this facade and that's how they
make some of these victims trust them, Yeah, and maybe
go places that you think you know this this person,
really you really don't know, because they have that what's
the word I'm looking for, that wholesome look.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Some of them do. Yeah, they they look like something
they're not and they can. But if you look in
their eyes, even if you can't see a darker or
if they can mask that somehow, they can't disguise their eyes.
That that's where you can tell that from what I learned.
And also, and it's not always true, but I noticed
that a lot of the mass murderers, some of the
most heinous crimes, they had demonic tattoos as well, which

(26:11):
is not unusual for people in prison. But not all
of them have, you know, necessarily mass murderers, but it
certainly is an open invitation to attachments to bad things.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
So yeah, I was, I was touring one time that
prison in Mountsville in Virginia, and it's empty, you know,
you looking, I mean, these cells are like so small,
and you know, I was looking, and you know, most
of these guys, you know, they've written stuff for like
scraped off you know. Yeah, almost all the cells if

(26:44):
you I mean, and it's like Florida ceiling. Most of them,
I would say, have some type of demonic or you know,
some type of dark either inscription or writing or most drawing.
Some of them are really crude, but a lot of
them had that in most of the and most of
the cells that I walked.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
In, Yeah, it's they they have I heard a counselor
once say this. He was trying to help people, and
he said, you know, I don't think necessarily you're bad people,
but you've made very bad decisions, and you've told yourself
you're bad, so you just keep layering it on top,
you know, whether it's the tattoos or the violent actions

(27:27):
or just giving in to all that. At a certain point,
you make a decision. And and that's what I always
told prisoners who were trying to, you know, try to
play me as a guard. They always try that. They're
very good amateur psychologists, you know. They oh, yeah, they'll
try to get you, find out what your weakness is,
and then you exploit that and they would tak Yeah.
You know, I had a really bad childhood and I

(27:48):
was beaten and I was sexually abused, And I said,
you know, I'm really sorry that happened to you. But
I know a lot of people who that happened to,
and they didn't go and murder somebody, they didn't rape people.
You know, so at a certain point you made a decision. Now,
maybe you think you're a bad person and you just
keep making but you can stop right now. You can
consider yourself. You know, just say I'm gonna wipe this

(28:11):
slate clean and make better decisions and you know, pay
your debt to society. And some of them do. Some
of them do. They seek redemption, but most of them don't.
And the recidivism rate is so high, it's like seventy eight. Yes,
and you know, so it's it's a it's not a
good place for a sensitive person to work in a prison.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
I was going to say, you must have been like
and the thing is that I want to say sometimes
it's attachments. I want to say, other time, if they're
psychopathic or sociopathic. And I think sometimes, especially when it
comes to killing people, I think sometimes in some level
it feeds their soul for lack of a better word. Yeah,

(28:54):
you know, there's something about it that they just can't
deny themselves. Yeah, because they they they just there's something
that and and like you said, and sometimes you know,
they've done looked at some serial killers where like you said,

(29:15):
you expect all they had horrific childhoods, and some of them,
not all of them did. Some of them were were
like kind of like normal in a way, and just
so yeah, but yeah, I've heard that they try to
play people, and after a while they get to know, oh,
because everybody expects, oh my god, no wonder that you
know you were killing people because you know you were

(29:36):
this this and this was done to you.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
People get fooled by it all the time. Celebrities that
want to do good, you know, they they'll go into
prisons and they'll say, oh, these poor people, And Okay,
I sympathize, but I also know the reality of it too, sure,
and you and you're getting played. Just so you know,
if they asked me, they'll never ask me. But if
they did, I just said, be very careful, you know,
be very very careful because there's a lot of forces

(30:00):
that work here and they're in general, their IQs are
much higher than people think.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Right, yes, yes, and sometimes some people house this. Sometimes
people mistake or academic achievement with non intelligence, and that's
far from it. That person might have little schooling as
in went to school or dropped out when god, maybe
when they were fourteen or fifteen. That has nothing to
do with how intelligent they are. Sometimes they're really intelligent

(30:30):
and they're very street smart. Yeah, and even if they
dropped out in ninth grade, they're still like sharpest attack
as a matter of fact, sometimes sharper than you want
them to be because either they had to live by
their wits. But exactly like what you said, and they're very,
very good at manipulation.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, yeah. I remember in the commandant's office, I was
in there getting something, I don't know what it was
at the prison in Mannheim, West Germany, and he had
a flip chart there and it said the average GT
score is the Army's way of measuring IQ. So the
average GT score for the prisoner versus the average GT

(31:08):
scored of the guard, and the prisoner's average GT score
was like ten or fifteen points higher, yeah, than the guards.
So yeah, they're not dumb. So they're just very good
adept at survival and and and you know, very you know,
can be very manipulative and use it for you know,

(31:29):
and and some of them do have psychic ability too,
which are probably the most the ones that are the
most twisted when they go down that route. It always
reminds I hate to use the Star Wars thing, but
it really you know, the dark side of the force
versus the light. I mean, it's you make a decision,
you know, and the dark side is always easier it's
always easy.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
It's it's very uh, you want to be powerful, you
want to be like.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
It's very alluring, you know it's, and it's but you
know it, you pay a heavy price for that, and
it just the price keeps getting heavier and heavier, and.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Well, you know what. I think a lot of people
also make the mistake boost of thinking that psychics are
enlightened people. In other words, if you're psychic, and I
don't know if you ever saw some want to go
to use Hollywood as a because everybody understands there's a
there's a movement based on a Stephen King novel called
Rose Red. It's about as a matter of fact, it's

(32:25):
based on a supposedly an old house in Seattle that
basically comes alive one of those deals. But anyway, part
of the story is that they bring in a group
of psychics. You know, the house has this very bad reputation.
People have gone in there and disappeared. Of all these
psychics that they're brought in there because they're psychic. This
is one guy who's a real jerk. And I loved

(32:46):
it because it was like everybody thinks that if you're psychic,
you're enlightened and you're not, you know, you're jerky. And
this guy who's very psychic, but he was obnoxious as
I'll get out. Yeah, and he was part of the
of And I'm sure people that know about that movie
will know which one I'm talking about. That you know,

(33:07):
one thing has nothing to do with the other. Sometimes
you could be very very psychic and use it, like
you said, to like manipulate people or or gain the
you know, whatever it is that you're doing.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yes, And it's a it's a it's
a gift, and it's meant to for us to do
good with it, to do the best we can that
obviously make mistakes here and there, but uh, and and
that's the way I look at it. And like, for instance, uh,
one of my friends is Lynn Buchan, and he was

(33:37):
in Operation Star Game. I'm not sure if you've ever.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yes, I spoke to Lynn like two weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Oh that's cool. Yeah, he is such a nice guy
and he yes, he probably told you the story of
when he decided not to do what he was doing
for the military anymore. Yes, and it's a very sad story.
But but the thing is he's dedicated his life to
uaching people and to finding missing persons, missing children, right

(34:04):
in particular, and you know what a noble thing to
do rather than finding targets, right, you know, for the military,
and you know you're being used for those targets, and
more than likely you are so. But there's a very
practical there's a very practical use you know for this,
rather than entertainment or whatever, which is fine, you know,
I think that's it is entertaining. But the like you know,

(34:27):
what he did at Stargate, I I do have I
call it assisted remote viewing because I use my I
know you mentioned my NHI, my non human intelligence. I
don't do it alone. I don't claim, oh I'm this great.
Uh you know uh uh you know I can do
remote viewing. I call it assisted remote viewing. So I
asked for help and I put it to practical use.

(34:50):
I don't know if you remember. I think it was
in upstate, New York. There was a little girl missing
a couple of years ago, and she was at a
state park or something, and she went missing. Okay, was
that a campground, right, I just can't remember the name
of the place. And and so she went missing and
everybody's looking for. So I said, I asked my Nhi,

(35:13):
whose name is Ann's are by the way, and I asked,
can you help me zero in? Where is this girl?
What is she seeing? What's so I had a very
clear picture that she was still alive, which was very good.
But she was in this dark like a I considered
a cupboard or a like under a staircase or you know,
in an enclosed dark space. That's what I saw. But

(35:35):
she was okay, and and I kind of had a
general location. So I decided, you know, I'm not an official,
you know, psychic or whatever. I don't do it for
a living or whatever, but I just I contacted the
police department because they had a tip line and they
probably get a lot of psychics calling in, but I
called in. I said, hey, this is what I see,

(35:58):
this is what I think is happening. And I never
heard back. You know, it just probably went into their
you know, plethora of things they get. But as it
turned out, you know, she she was alive, and she
was in a trailer, in a like a closet in
a in a trailer, and it was very close to
the place, you know, probably within ten miles or five

(36:21):
or ten miles from where I was.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, had somebody put her there or she had gone?

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, the kidnapper a guy he kidnapped her. Yeah, God yeah.
It was a loner kind of thing, you know. I
think his trailer was on his mother's property, and he
was like a ne'er do well kind of person, you know,
bumming around anyway. He apparently I don't know if she
they never I never got the details if she was hurt.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
But wow, right right, that's like verification without you know.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
And nobody acknowledge it or anything. So then and then
another case of it. I have some friends that work
in uh, you know different and I'll just say one
of the three letter agencies. You know that I have
some military people that work in there because I'm ex military,
former military. So the I said, you know, I think

(37:11):
I could I could help with certain things, like I
was really concerned about the the American hostage, well all
the hostages and Gaza, but and all the innocent people
obviously hostages, because it's easier if you could narrowly focus
on one or just a couple of people. So I
focused on the three uh Eiden Alexander Sigi Dekal Chen

(37:36):
and what was the older gentleman's name, Keith Siegel? So
those were the three. So I was able to I
was looking at a map and I asked Anzar to
help me. Where are they? In general? So I was like,
you know, kind of like dowsing, but I was on
a map, and Okay, they're here. I think they're here.
I got the grid coordinates. I zoomed in on Google
Earth and I got, oh, there's some interesting buildings there,

(37:57):
and so I identified all that stuff and then I
was able to connect to them through my NHI contact
and describe where they were, what it looked like, who
was around them, what were the people doing, and how
were they being treated? What was their general health. So
I took like, I don't know, six pages of notes,

(38:18):
you know, about this detailed information, and I put it
out to my friend. I said, can you contact somebody,
just tell them I want to help. I feel so helpless,
you know, just watching the names and seeing this day
after day. I mean, the sooner all these people get out.
The sooner, maybe they can have peace there or whatever.
I don't know, I just want to do something good. Yeah,
And so I I next thing, you know, and this

(38:41):
was December of last year. Okay, and by the way,
I don't I don't have I never signed an NDA,
and I don't have a current security clearance. So I'm
free to talk about I'm not going to mention any
names necessarily, but so it just me somebody's listening and
they're thinking, oh, he's you know. No. So I got
a phone call, random phone call in December of last

(39:02):
year and uh, this person said their name and I
could tell it was a false name. You can tell
when people, Yeah, my name is Tom. Yeah, that's my
name Tom. Yeah, it was something like that. And I
said okay and I and they said, yeah, we heard
that you might have some information that would help us.
And I said, well, who are you and they said, well,
we're we're with the UH. And I said you're are

(39:24):
you us G because if their government and that usually
if you say us G, they'll say yeah, yeah, that's
us CAR. They didn't say which agency or whatever. And
I said okay, yeah I do. And they said, well
we want to meet you, and I said, okay, that's great.
I don't know who you are, though, so I would
need to see some ID because I don't want you know,
this information is very sensitive and I don't want to

(39:45):
be given it to the the others, you know, the
people who you are. Yeah. So they suggested like meeting
at a coffee shop, and I said, no, uh, you know,
I know, I don't want to do. It needs to
be a secure location, meaning a skill a special compartment,
compartmentalized information facility. Right. So they suggested a federal building

(40:08):
near near where I live. Ended up being an FBI office,
which is pretty secure. And I met them. I met
them there. There's two of them. One of them I
can say that one of them was FBI, so they
showed me their credentials. The other one. I looked at
them and they didn't show me any credentials, right, and

(40:29):
then I knew. And then the person, the FBI agent, goes, well,
they don't, they don't usually show that to anybody.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
It was meg for this person is right exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
And then I just for an hour and a half
they grilled me about and I told them I had
already give them the written report and I did all that.
So that was around the middle of January of this year,
and about two weeks later, the first hostage came out.
Keith Siegel came out and then about four weeks later,

(41:03):
the second hostage, Sigi decal Chen, came out. And then recently,
you know, the most recent one was Eaton Alexander. He
was the military guy, so he was the last one
to come out. But I had detailed information on all
of them. And then I told my friend who initially
got me connected. I said, they never got back to me.
They said they were going to like send me at
least like a thumbs up or thumbs down or something. Nothing.

(41:26):
And then the phone number I had it must have
been a burner phone.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
It just sure.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
And I told him and he's laughed at me, and
he said, no, they don't. They don't acknowledge you unless
they you won't hear from until they want some more information.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Right, unless I call you back and go, hey, by
the way, yeah, what do you think about this?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah, They're like, don't call us, we'll call you.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
You know that kind of last thing we wanted to
let this guy know is how good, how good he is.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
But I I, you know, I think I I might
have been a very small part. I'm not bragging. I'm
just saying that this can be. That's how you use
this stuff for good, you know, you save children, like
you know, like you know my friend Len Buchanan, or
you teach people, you know, good people how to how
to do this stuff, or you have a specific purpose

(42:10):
that's somehow good. You know, that's a good use of it.
And and the bottom line of it is that it's real.
You know. That's why I always say it's real, because
some people think, oh, it can't be real, but it
is real, as you know, this is this is real stuff.
But that means it's also a responsibility, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
I think that a lot of times the psychics people
think that they only use psychic like in cold cases.
And what you pointed out is very important, Bruce, which
is sometimes at the very onset of a case, yep,
when somebody's missing and time is important. Sometimes they need
to know should we be looking here or should we
be looking out here? They get, in other words, being

(42:51):
able to even if they don't know us. You can't
give them a specific it's like okay, this is what
I see. It's like, okay, well you know what, maybe
we're staying too close to where this person disappeared from.
We need to start looking outside of you know. And
of course everybody knows, especially in that case where we're
talking about children being abducted, it's time is of the

(43:15):
essence as far as how quickly they can be found
in et cetera.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
The quicker the better, and oh sure, and intelligence agencies,
you know, they use signal intelligence, human intelligence, and they
use even though the government claimed, oh, we don't use uh,
you know, remote viewing anymore. We proved that that really
wasn't reliable or whatever that's you know, we all know
that's not true. They of course they do. Why wouldn't you,

(43:39):
Why wouldn't you statistic code that it was very viable,
and just talking to people like Lynn Buchanan or Joe
mcmonagall or any of those people. And there was a
lady too, she was very very good, but you hardly
ever hear about her. Now I forgot her name, but uh,
she used a very non She didn't use the military
coordinate remote viewing system. She used what she called automatic writing,

(44:03):
which is very cool, which is kind of similar to
the non traditional way I do it with my NHI,
you know, okay, and automatic writing obviously you're using something
beyond just yourself, you know, and you're not doing all
these like grid coordinates, and they you know that stuff
they do in the military. Everything has to be so regimented.

(44:23):
And that works for some people, you know.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I mean when you said you were dousing on the map,
were you dousing? Do you use a pendulum or what
are you using? As far as when you're dousing over
right now?

Speaker 2 (44:34):
I just used my finger. I was just yeah, I
was just I mean, I could have used a write.
I think anything would work as long as you you
you believe it, and that you put your full faith
into it. You're full well, I should say, your attention
and your intention into it. Whether it's your finger or

(44:54):
a stick, you know, whatever you can, you can make
that as your tool, you know. And intention and attention
and focused calm, and then and and and the imperative
for me was I want this whole thing to end.
I want all these innocent people to stop dying. I want,
you know, there to be peace. And the sooner we
can get those people out, you know, the better it'll

(45:15):
be for everybody, you know. And uh, and that's what
I kept thinking. So I had this really you know,
really powerful intention, and then my attention to detail was
the map. And then as I drilled down into that spot,
I identified the grid coordinates. So that's when I got
into the grid coordinates, and that's what I gave to

(45:36):
the these two people.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
And the reason why I asked is that I wasn't
short if they were keeping them all at the same location,
because you know, sometimes they'll divvy them up and they'll
send them over here and send them over there. So
they were in separate locations.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yes, they were in separate locations and very different locations.
And some of them were being hidden in a like
they were hidden in a mosque for a while. They
were in a like an apartment building like where regular
people would live. Uh. One was in actually a u
N building, which was very disconcerting because I'm I'm not

(46:12):
anti u N. I'm very big supporter of the u N.
But that and and they get a bad rap and
and you know, not this. I mean there's bad players
everywhere in every organization, but you know, uh, but anyway,
that that's another facility I I And that was you know,
what a good place to hide them, you know, I
mean when.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
You think of.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
The facade, you know of the u N, and it's, oh,
we don't do that, but it only takes one bad apple.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
So yes, exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
And it's uh so, Yeah, I was able to get
a lot of detailed information what the uh, what the
guards look like, uh, and how the situation was changing.
They were using less of the uh Hamas people and
more of that. There's a lot of different sub groups,
and a lot of them are younger, and they are
a little bit more uh well, some of them are

(47:03):
more susceptible to suggestions, so that the dedicated Hamask guys
are very hardcore. It's really I was trying to tell
them please be nice, you know, realize that the sooner
they get out and that maybe you guys can go
hide somewhere whatever, you know. I was just trying to
convince them to be nice to the hostages. And I

(47:23):
think for the younger guys it was easier to do
because they were they were really just wanting money. That's
what they wanted.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah, sometimes I hate to say the motivation is something
as basic as that. I mean, it's horrific, but yeah, yeah,
if if sometimes that it's like, yeah, we're gonna you know,
this is there's a scarcity, in other words, a scarcity
of ways to do what you know, make money just

(47:51):
to subsist we're not talking here like luxury stuff. Yeah,
people will lend themselves over to do just a lot
of things, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
And and yeah, and I had to be careful with
that too, because I was trying to persuade them, not
like force them, you know, using mind control to like
force that. I was just suggesting, you know, maybe you
ought to think about the humanity of the situation. You know,
what if this was your relative or regardless of your
religion or whatever else, you know, this is a human being,

(48:20):
you know, you know that kind of thing, just as
you probably would if we were there in person trying
to tell them, hey, you know, we got to work
this out, you know, if you were a negotiator or something.
You know. So it was kind of that kind of
suggestion rather than the sharper you will you know, like
you could say, well, now that person is paralyzed, they
can't you know, you don't want to do that. I
didn't want to do that kind of or harm them

(48:41):
in any way. I wasn't sending out like.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Right, it was a question raise or what you.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Know, not that I could do that, you know what
I mean. Yeah, yeah, I know I know what you mean.
So here you you know, you grow up when obviously
you had contacts with the ets and parents. What happened
you come back? You live in the United States. I
know that sometimes for a lot of people adolescens, there's

(49:07):
a bump up in experiences, right, Whether it's the psychokinetic
energy that you know you put out as an adolesson,
I don't know what it is, but it's like, yeah,
is that what happened with you? Or what happened is
as you start getting older into your teenage years.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah, there, Well I had a very pronounced experience with
this NHI at age six, and I and just okay,
for you and your listeners, it kind of makes sense
because I lived less than a half a mile away
from a Nike missile site, a nuclear missile Sete Wow
in Seattle, and they tend to hang around those places, okay.

(49:44):
And this was the command and control site, which is
even more important than where they actually have the missiles
because that's what controls the missiles. So it's less than
a half a mile away. Anyway, long story short that
people that lived above us, we're used to babysit dad.

(50:05):
As it turned out he was a child predator and uh,
weird neighbor. Yes, the neighbor that lived above us. Yeah,
and uh so I I knew that something was wrong,
and he would do I'm not going to get into
the details, but I knew something. As a six year old,
I knew something was wrong. So he never fromed me.

(50:26):
But what happened is my bedroom faced their house above
us on the hill, and one night I was looking,
I was getting kind of dark, and I looked outside
that window and I saw like a holographic image of
a of a tall entity with kind of a scary
looking face, you know, kind of an alien what you

(50:47):
would consider a classic alien looking face with a rogue.
And he didn't tell me his name or anything. I
just he just communicated to me telepathically and he said,
don't go to this house anymore. And I said, and
I said what a lot of kids would say. They
see and they go, why should I listen to you?
You're a scary monster, you know?

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Yeah, kid?

Speaker 2 (51:09):
And then he said, very wisely, he said, I might
look like a monster to you, but it's the man
up there is the real monster. You have to be careful.
People are deceptive. And he said, and I said, well,
what about my mom? She expects them to babysit me,
and I need to tell her, and he said, I'll
take care of it. Don't worry about it. She won't.
You won't have to go up there anymore. And of

(51:31):
course I didn't. That was it and he so I
consider it a rescue several of my experiences with nhis
or ets or aliens or whatever he does.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Let me ask you real quick, did he did anything
ever happen to him? Was he ever caught or that neighbor?

Speaker 2 (51:47):
What happened he? He was apparently caught later on some people,
you know, people come forward later in life. Yes, so
I think there were several victims, I think, including his
own children.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Unfortunately, I was going to say yeah, so in other words,
years went by before this became known. In other words,
very just.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
I'll just give you one example of the kind of
manipulation they would do, without getting into a lot of detail,
but he would say, if you, if you tell. He
asked me, he said, what are you most afraid of?
And I said, well, I'm afraid of the devil, you know,
because I was, you know, a kid went to Sunday school.
I was afraid of the devil and I had breathing problems.
So and I said, I'm afraid of choking to death.

(52:28):
And he said, oh, okay, well, if you ever tell
your parents what's going on here, the devil will come
and choke you to death.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Oh my god, what a harm.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yeah, I mean that tells you how evil this person was.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yes, another or you can imagine what he.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Was doing to these kids, you know. So and I never, luckily,
I never experienced that, so I was able to get away.
But that that's the kind of manipulation they would do
with children, if you can, that is just so horrible.
And anyway, so I was rescued. And and not only
did I now know his name is Ansar, and I

(53:05):
I he showed me a spacecraft, you know, and it
was beautiful. It was a you know, it was silver
and gold, and it didn't have any like control services
and the insight it was still a holographic image. And
what was cool is there were other kids watching this
as I was watching it, like in different houses. I
could kind of see they were watching too, if you

(53:26):
can imagine that. And and he told me, he said, someday,
I said, well, I'd like to be an astronaut. I
like spaceships, you know, And he said, well, you know,
you work hard, maybe you'll be able to fly someday.
He didn't say in a spaceship necessarily. But and then
later on I became a helicopter pilot. So it's funny now. Yeah,

(53:49):
and I've had I had several other experiences, some of
them with as I. You know, like after I graduated
from high school, I went on a road trip with
my buddy, my best friend. And in the books I
write about it, I call him Ernie. That's not his
real name. But we went in nineteen seventy seven. We

(54:10):
drove to Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, to La up
to San Francisco. I'm back home to Seattle. So it
was this big trip. The first day we only got
to the wilderness area of Idaho and we got to
a place called black Pine Peak, just a perfect scenario
for some creepy to happen, right, So, and we were

(54:33):
too lazy to put up our tent and we couldn't
find the campground. We got lost on the forest. Okay,
so we found this big click just getting dark, and
we just decided to sleep.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Uh oh, did I lose you, Bruce? I hope I
didn't lose you have you can hear me your froze
on me? Yeah? Are okay there you think? Okay, okay,
go ahead. So anyway, you guys stopped for the night.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
And yeah, there's there other people, but it's the lights
were coming from above and below and all around us,
and I thought that is very strange. That doesn't seem
like a car. What's going on here?

Speaker 1 (55:22):
And you know, out in the wilderness it's so dark.
I mean, people don't realize so what dark really is
when there's no ambient lights.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
And all of a sudden, I could and uh the uh.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Okay, I kind of you kind of freezing on me.
If you can hear me, you're totally frozen. And I
can't hear anything that you're saying.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Oh shit, are we back?

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Yeah, you're back, You're back.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Okay. Yeah. So just this scenario and this bandon you know,
this field in the black Pine wilderness of Idaho, and
entities were around us and I couldn't move, and I
knew that there was something weird going on.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Are we talking here at et s extraterrestrial or something
from the land?

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Uh right, my conscious memory, that's it. And then uh
we went the rest of the trip, but we woke
about what happened, what the details were.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Oddly enough, Oh oh, okay, i've lost you again.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Oh oh, I think I got okay yea, And yeah,
we were arguing and fighting. The rest of the trip
was a miserable trip, and we never talked about what happened.
And you can imagine what happened.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
So well, let me answer you something real quick. Wait wait, yeah,
as you cut out when you guys stop that first
night in that clearing and Idaho right here, you know
the nightfall? Stop, what happened because you cut out and
I didn't get that.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yeah, so here you are.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
What happened?

Speaker 2 (57:06):
You got light dark now, and we saw lights and
we thought it was a car. It's more okay, But
the lights were from like different, like up in the
coming from the sky, all around us three hundred and
sixty degrees. It was a very weird thing. And then
after that I noticed some dark figures around the car.
But I couldn't get out. I couldn't move, I couldn't

(57:27):
even move my head. I was like frozen, and then
I just kind of blanked out. And that's my conscious
memory of that night. That's my conscious memory.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Okay. Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Then I did a I did a hypnotic regression with
my friend Yvonne Smith of zero Yes. And she's very
good because she doesn't lead you on or make, you know, say,
oh obviously that was alien or whatever. She just said
the simple thing. She said, Okay, you're back there. Uh,
look to your right. Now that you're you can look,

(58:00):
look to the right. What's going on? And I said,
my friend Ernie's gone, He's gone, He's not there. And
the entities were around there, and I saw them more
clearly and that they were not human. You know, they
were very tall, okay, alien looking, you know, although they
were shadowy, and so I remembered that and then I,

(58:23):
you know, I was able to retrieve those memories. So
then that added to my conscious memories. Well. Then I
decided to contact Ernie and I told him, I said, Ernie,
do you remember I started with, hey, do you remember
what happened to us in Black Pine Peak? And he, oh, yeah,
I remember that. You know, we thought we saw people
around the car the lights. I felt like I couldn't move.
I felt like I was drunk or drugged or something.

(58:46):
And I said yeah, and we had a we argued,
and he say, I'm really sorry about that. I said,
I'm sorry too, but you know, I said, did you
ever think, you know that maybe it has something to
do with UFOs and alien you know? And he got
so mad at me, really, he got so mad at me.
He's he said. And I told him I was going

(59:08):
to write a book about this experience. And he said,
just you better not mention my name. That's why I
call him Ernie. That's not his name, and you better
not mention my name. And and I said okay. And
I was on the phone with him, and then he
hung up, and and then he wrote me back. You know,
I called him and left the message. I said, I'm
really sorry. I didn't I wasn't trying to be deceptive.

(59:28):
I just kind of didn't want to lead you, you know,
I wanted to kind of ease you into it. Really sorry,
And I won't use your name. And and then he
he said, you know what I do remember, and uh
I remember, Uh, probably the reason you feel bad is
because you let your best friend be abducted. And guess what,

(59:50):
you know, they they took me and uh they they
he remembers, they said, yeah, they said we got a
squealer here you I think they'd never seen a pair
of pincers before, you know, like pincers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
And and he goes, and that's what I remember, and
and and then he never contacted me again. I tried
emailing him, I tried calling him. He left me with
that that he was mad at me, but he acknowledged that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
So the reason was he aware that you had experienced
your own version of some type of abduction yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Only after I told him I was writing the book
and that I'd done the regression.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
And then so, in other words, he thought all along
that he was the only one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
I guess, so yeah, And but he just didn't want
to talk about it. And I forced him to talk
about it. It's something he didn't want to do. And
he got a very bad reaction. And as soon as
he said pincers, I remembered something. Because I was writing
a lot of poetry at the time on that trip,
huh okay, I thought, I think I wrote a poem
that had something to do with this. So I went back.
I kept all my poems from the seventies and eighties

(01:00:54):
and all the way through today, and in one of
those poems is called I sold out to the aliens.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Oh boy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
At the end of the thing was I can't remember
the exact words, but it was something like they're they're
not here to help us, something like God help us
from keep us from their pincers. You know, I mentioned pincers.
And when I read that, my blood ran cold, and
I go, oh, my gosh. So now I have this

(01:01:23):
document document from seventy seven that mentions what Ernie had
mentioned and he reluctantly mentioned it, and then my conscious
memories and then the retrieved memories, you know, and I
put it all together and I put it in the
story in one of my timeless books. And so, yeah,
why he was taken. I had already been abducted before.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
But you know what, what's really weird is I was
hypnotherapist for many years. I was a practice hym a therapist.
And usually because it almost sounds like he remembered. In
other words, you went and you got hypnotized by Vonn
and you know, you brought all these things forward. But
it sounded almost like unless he got when it got
hypnosis on his own, it almost sounded like he remembered
without the benefit of hypnosis. As a matter of fact,

(01:02:08):
even with that disturbing recollection of the pincers. That's like
and I'm thinking that must have been because sometimes even
under hypnosis, is something's really really disturbing, even with hypnosis,
we will not recover the memory. And maybe that's what happened.
Luckily it came out like subconsciously when you wrote that poem,

(01:02:30):
kind of like an indirect way. But that's incredible that
you were able to refer back to it in so
many years.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Because it just when he said pincers that that's a
really odd reference. And you know, yes, I remember writing poetry,
so I went, I had no idea what. I couldn't
remember the name of the poem. I just know I
was writing poems.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Let me, I'm gonna add okay, now, let me ask you.
Between that and your experience, it almost sounds like, what
these these ets are not friendly towards humans or they
just don't get it, you know, like in other words,
that they treat us, let's say, like we treat labraths.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
I think it depends on the et or depends on
the entity. I've also, I've all of my interactions have
been generally okay. There have been a few exceptions, but
mostly okay, mostly dealing with ansar, you know. And he's
been present. And there was a nineteen seventy eight, no,

(01:03:33):
nineteen seventy three, I was abducted, and that's where I
was taken out of my bedroom into a craft and
on a classic kind of a table, exam table, but
I was levitating above it. It was very weird. And
the entity that was in charge was an insectoid, you know,

(01:03:58):
I explained, and I wrote in the book it was
a cross between a Jerusalem cricket and a praying mantis
something that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
I was going to say, like a praying mantis type
of yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
But he was clearly a medical kind of person, you know.
And and I had this recollection. I said, you know,
I was upset, of course, and I said, what's going on?
And he said, he said, it was a not a rescue.
He said, it was like a what was the word?
I used, Oh, special process? That's it, that you're having

(01:04:32):
special processing. And I said why and he said, well,
that's all you need to know. And then he got
mad at the little gray entities that seemed robotoid to me.
They weren't like totally living, and he was mad at
them because they put some kind of clamp on my
head that was hurting me, and he told him to
take it away or whatever. And then I just when

(01:04:53):
I was about to ask more questions that, you know,
the appendage that he had just kind of touched my
forehead and next thing I know is in my bed.
And that's a part of that is a conscious memory,
part of its retrieve memory. That became very clear to
me about the whole thing. I was a teenager, so

(01:05:17):
that was seventy three, so I would say I was
fourteen or fifteen at the less time. Yeah, yeah, And
the whole thing started with my aunt. I thought it
was my aunt in my room because they were visiting
from Norway. Oh, you're kidding, And I thought, why is
my aunt in my room? That doesn't seem right. It
was in the middle of the n and it was
Christmas Eve too. It was like just before midnight or

(01:05:37):
maybe after midnight whatever. I thought, why is my aunt
in my room? And next thing, you know, my aunt's
face is not my aunt. It's like turning into its morphing,
you know. And then there's the little guys around her.
And the next thing, you know, my cat who was
always with me. Tiger jumps off the bed at it,
you know, and runs away, and next thing, you know,

(01:05:58):
I'm you know, I kind of lose consciousness and that's
the retrieve memory goes up into you know, the exam thing, and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Goat said, you're on your own.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Sorry, yeah, you know, he's he was my protector, but
that came to that. I think I was on my own.
So that was beyond his skills. I think it'd be like, no, no,
he deals with friendly ghosts.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Not right right, and now like this is this is
above my pay rates.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Sorry, but but then again it was you know. Then
again he said it was special process and maybe it
was something that saved my life. Maybe I had some
heart defect, maybe there was something that was undiagnosed. Okay,
I guess they wanted me to be around. And it's
I've had a lot of close calls and you know,
near death experience. I you know, so there's a reason
why I got to the point where I decided I'm

(01:06:47):
going to start telling all these stories. I was no
longer going to be afraid of losing my job or
using friends or relatives or whatever. I just said the
time was right. That was twenty sixteen. My friend Jeane
h It was Norwegian American, grew up with me, you know,
we knew each other little kids. He died on you know,
very young age. He's only sixty when he died. Cancer

(01:07:10):
came to me a month later, and in a vision,
which is not unusual for me, and uh, interactive, you know,
I said, Gene, so nice to see you. And I said,
what's I said? The most stupid thing I said, I said,
what's it like to be dead? You know, which is
so stupid, but and it's natural to want to say

(01:07:31):
it because I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Was so Yeah, and he laughed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
And he goes, Bruce, if I was really dead the
way you're describing it that you think you mean, would
I be talking to you like this? And I said, no,
I guess you're right. There's something beyond Oh of course
you know that already, right, And I said, yeah, I do.
I'm sorry. And then he encouraged me. He said, the
time is right to start telling your stories. And I said, well,
you know what, if you know, I might lose my job,

(01:07:55):
they'll think I'm crazy whatever. And he said no, no,
the time is right and even gave me the name
of the book. He say you should call it timeless
because he said, where I am, there's no future, there's
no past, It's all happening at the same time, which
he's basically describing the quantum world, you know, where it's
all together. There's no linear time, you know. So and

(01:08:19):
he's told me all kinds. I contact him on a
regular basis too, and I pretty much every day I
communicate with my friend Jeane. I'd like to mention he
was an actor and he likes to get credit, so
I he was a gay actor and a very funny person,
a wonderful person, you know, like so many wonderful people
you meet in your life, they go too soon, seems,
but in a horrible way. But anyway, that's how it starts.

(01:08:41):
And then I started publishing the books and coming on,
you know, meeting nice people like yourself and telling the stories.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
And let me ask you something. All these fears that
you had, like, hey, if I go public with all
this stuff, none of it materialized, right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
The uh oh I never went public. Yeah. During in
the military, I had.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Oh no, I know. And sometimes some of these things
their career killers, you know, as far as like yeah,
even if it's on an unofficial because people sometimes think
it's like, no, it's almost on an unofficial thing. You
get known as that guy or that person that says
something and and nobody ever forgets about it. Either.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
No, it's well that that has happened to me since.
But it's always it's you know, I'm near a retirement,
so who cares, I don't you know. They they'll like
have some little joke on you know, the first day
of the semester. Oh and there's Bruce. He's the guy
who talks to dead people. You know, Hey, I don't know.
But then privately they'll come to me, Hey, can you
contact my uncle John?

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Do you know what? That's really funny because everybody, whether
it's that or people, have their stories about either a signing,
a cryptid or a UFO or a bigfoot or a ghost.
It's like aha. Then and then, like you said on
the side, they'll say, hey, you know what, just keep
it to yourself, but you know what happened to me once? Yeah,
and there you're like okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
And they And remarkably, after the book started coming out,
the board of trustees at the college, who are not
known to be really into this stuff, you know, as
far as they right. They approved me teaching a class,
a paranormal personal history class.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
And now there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
It was community education, so it wasn't for credit. But
I've been doing that on and off since before the pandemic,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
So I've been a bunch of people sign up for
that class.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Oh a ton of people, yes, from eighteen to eighty,
wonderful people. All of them have one thing in common.
They've all had these experience. Well, they all want to
be able to tell their story in a safe place. Yes,
that's it. And the first I had this big lesson plan.
I was going to, Okay, this is the origins of
you know, how telepathy has done. This is all the

(01:10:49):
research that's been done. And I did all this and
they said, they called me doctor P, Doctor P, we
just want to tell you what's happened to it. I go, okay.
So I had to allow half of the class every
time personal story.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
So basically it turned like into a partial group therapy
kind of moment, like everybody says their story.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
And for me too, because I learned, you know, they
they I mean, that's the A good teacher is a
good student, you know, that's really what it is. My
students teach me a lot. And these are you know,
experienced people that have faced a lot of ridicule trying
to find a safe place to tell their stories and
and anyway, so I you know, and then I even

(01:11:27):
got the credit version of the class pass through curriculum,
which is not easy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
And they were like, there's people up in arms about it,
and it was really pushback. But then I told them, hey,
they teach this at U c l A.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
And then all of a sudden, it's it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Oh you see, you know, because we're always bending it,
you know, on to the you know where I'm in
a community college whatever the UC does you know, we
gotta yes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Now, all of a sudden, it got the stamp of approval.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Yeah, and it'll take about a year and then I'll
be offering a credit class, which means I'm going to
get a ton of students because they're they're very young.
People are very interested, but they they want to get
their degree, so they don't have time, you know, to take.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
A night class that's not credited.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Yeah, they have to work or take care of their
family member whatever. So so this time, you know, I'm
be able to offer it during the daytime and get
a lot of young students. I'll still do a night
class for the older folks too, so I'll do both.
It's a non credit and the credit.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
So I had people there that have never told anybody
up to this point.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Yeah, yeah, and they're they're embarrassed, you know, and they're
thinking that, you know, and then they finally feel like
and then I we do little tests just to show
you know, hey, this stuff is real, and I get
skeptics in there too, which I love. Skeptics, by the way,
I'm not talking about debunkers. I mean skeptics, just people
that naturally I don't I don't think it's real. I
don't know, you know, agnostic or whatever. Yeah, and then

(01:12:53):
we'll do the little experiment of are you being watched?
You know, and we turn our backs to each there
or somebody turns their back to you, and then you
either watch them or don't watch them, and you do
several iterations and then they find out, Oh, I more
than half of the time I know when somebody's looking
at me the back of my head, especially the back

(01:13:15):
of their head. That's what I haven't focused on.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Oh you know, what's really funny is that that's one
of that's a very typical instance of people that have
are living in a haunted house. Is a lot of
them will say I felt like someone was watching me. Yes,
and I knew it was alone, but I felt like
someone was watching me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Yep, yep, there's that that that's a natural thing. That well,
because as you know, and many of your listeners probably
do too, that ancient people, this was very normal to them,
this stuff, you know this They referred to the star
people and the and the spirit people, and they just
lived in a world that where they accepted all that
and were natural and they needed it for survival. If

(01:13:57):
you were in a cave somewhere, you needed to have
eyes in the back of your head. You needed to
because you have to be very aware of everything and
use every sense, including the sixth sense.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Well, they As a matter of fact, today I was
reading an article they found this archaeological dig. This is
somewhere in Israel or in that area, and it's quite old,
and they found remains of Neanderthal type hominids and modern
men that you know till recently that they found that
the way they were buried, they were burying their dead

(01:14:31):
like in a fetal position and with grave goods. Sometimes
that indicates like a belief in the spiritual like the hereafter.
In other words, they're realizing that really ancient, ancient man
and some type of belief, a spiritual belief in what
happened after the person died. Yeah, all right, and they

(01:14:52):
were this was it's really interesting, especially because they found
the Neanderthal types buried there along with with I guess
it was some type of like you know, minor cemetery,
but the way they were positioned in a fetal position
and they found like different with I guess grave goods,
you know, pain stuff that it was like, this is

(01:15:13):
not that they just didn't lie down and die there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Yeah, yeah, these were not mindless brutes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Right exactly. That the end they believed that what happens
till after you die in other words.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Yeah, and you know that's you know that there's so
many different ways to go with it. But you know
that that I did develop a theory, and it's not
just my theory. There's you know, much smarter people than
me that hold this to be true as well, that
that the spirit world, the quantum world, and the alien
world are all really the same thing. Sure, it's all

(01:15:49):
that where it's all connected, you know, and through that,
you know, through quantum physics. That's how you scientists explain it.
And I think it was the American physicist A. Boone
who said that there is the subjective reality, which is
the everyday interface that most of us we have to
live in that, you know, to day. And then there's

(01:16:11):
the objective reality, which is the uh what did he
call it? He? Well, anyway, it's the objective reality, which
is the is the the quantum world, you know, that's
the cosmic soup where we're all connected, you know. And
then there is something beyond that, which is whatever you
want to call it, the one consciousness, the one soul, God,

(01:16:35):
you know, whatever you want to cut the one you know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
I think, uh, And I think that that we have
to exist. How's this? In other words, in order to
operate on this plane, to live? How's that? Live? Whatever?
You You can't you can't live in the cosmic soup
because you would be too distracted, it would be too crazy.
And I think that we'll go back in time, you know, yeah,
even prehistoric where you always had maybe some places called

(01:17:00):
a shaman or special person. That was the one that
would go and do that communication. Yeah, because for normal,
for the normies, normies, whatever, the you know, the placement,
you know, the setting was, you can't it's I think
it would be overwhelming for most people.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Yes, it is. And I'm glad you said that because
I had a friend of mine who was a psychiatrist
and he was fascinated by these books I was writing.
He said, wow, you took a real academic turn there.
And I was even told I committed academic suicide by
starting to write about my paranormal things. And I, you know, so,

(01:17:39):
you know, this is what I have to do. I'm
compelled to do it. Every book I write, I'm compelled
to do it. It's not like I said I'm gonna
write this. It's like I have to do this. I
have nothing else I have to do then this, and
and that's how it gets done. But he I told him,
I said, is it possible that people that are very
schizophrenic could be very, very psychic and unable to manage it?

(01:18:03):
And he looked at me and he goes, that is
a frightening thought, you know, because he's medicating people that
are very, very sick. And he said, if they can't
you're saying they can't manage it, but they can do
what you say you do. And I said yeah, because
I could easily see how you could slip into madness
once and like, for instance, I went to I'm a

(01:18:25):
disabled vet, so you have to go through all the
when you get signed up for their medical you have
to go through screenings. They had a mental health They
gave me a form to fill out and the questions
were do you see people that other people can't see?
Do you hear other people who other people can't hear?
And I looked at the psychiatric nurse and you know,

(01:18:48):
I said, nurse, I'm going to put no on your
forms here, but I'm telling you that yes, I do
all the time. That's what I've had it since I
was kid. And she just looked at me like I was,
you know, okay, you know, And I gave her the
form and said, no.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
That is so fun. I was gonna say, I'm good.
I can't tell you that too, because if not, you
guys are gonna come with a straight jacket for me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Yes, exactly, And that's part of my mom's training. You know,
there's a time and place for that. And by me
putting no on there and just telling them that's what
she's gonna do, you know, unless I start, you know,
up not in front of her or something, but which
I wasn't. I was just like I like I am,
but I do understand how well. Just for instance, and
you might have this too, that I've heard a lot

(01:19:34):
of people who are psychic have psychic gifts. They have
trouble in parties, big parties, you know, because it's not
that I read people's minds, it's that I sense their intentions,
and that's almost worse. That's almost worse because the mind
is very cluttered, and but their intentions are usually very clear,

(01:19:55):
and I can I can see that. I mean, there's
the dark aura thing that sometimes I pick up on,
but I can, I can almost hear their intentions. It's
like I feel it and I hear it. And sometimes
they're not They're not good, and it very much makes
it hard to relax, even if I try to turn
it off. So I try to avoid big parties, and

(01:20:17):
or I will find one person that I really like
and I'll take them aside and I'll just like a
laser being focused in a very deep conversation with them,
you know, and till the party's over, or until I
can make a graceful exit. You know, That's how I
deal with it. But otherwise, you know, turning it off
is really hard to do. I've learned how to do it.

(01:20:37):
But for social like meetings at school and you know,
these things where there's a lot of very I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Can tell ye. And it's really funny because I was
gonna say, I bet you that your body space is
probably a little bit extra wider than most people's. You know,
we have we usually have a you know when somebody
that we don't know stands too close to us that
you're like, man, what's what's wrong with you? I think
with you you probably have an ex extra, a little
bit extra.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Yeah, pick up on too much, and it's it's I
think autistic people are a good example of there. They
are very sensor They live in a much different sensory
world than other people. Think that's that is also very.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
But then you're a teacher, yes's that's that's incredible. But
then you're you know, you're out there, you're in the
it's that's that's incredible. But like, again, the setting is different.
I guess a classroom versus let's say a party.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Yeah, well, you know how I do it in the classroom.
Because I was so terrified when I started teaching, I go, okay,
I want to be a teacher. Great Now I got
to talk to like eighty people in a classroom, and
you know, they're all very smart people. They're there, they're
in college and uh, you know, they're eager to learn,
and I big responsibilities. So then I quickly realized they're
one person, not eighty people or forty five people. What

(01:21:55):
I said, They're one person. I'm talking to one person,
so I focused not I don't like stare at one
person all the time. I just see them as one person.
And then I can talk to them in a very
friendly way, in a very conversational tone like we're doing,
and they react to it. They like it, you know.
They you know, I'm not talking down to them or pontificating,

(01:22:17):
you know, not connecting. I'm connecting to them in a
you know, like a neighbor across a fence, you know,
or something.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Like me asking, have you ever had the instance, Bruce
where you let's say that party setting, we could use
the party set, or like you said, you pick up
on somebody and you say that aura that person's got
something like that black or whatever or something. And do
they become aware that you're aware of them? You ever
see them like look back at you and you're.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Like, oh, there is that has happened. That has happened.
Even though I tried it, As soon as I pick
up on it, I try to, you know, shut off
the you know, I guess it's like electronic warfare where
they they you know, they use the signals to find
the aircraft and then they have jamming signals, so you
have to jam. You have to jam as well. You

(01:23:08):
have to try to jam it. And I don't know
exactly how that works, but I just if I sense
something like that, I'll try to jam it and just
you know, kind of put up well. In the prison,
I'll give you an example. I pictured I pictured myself
in a protective bubble. That's how I survived working in
the prison. So what you were talking about that space,

(01:23:28):
I went beyond the space and I put a force field,
if you will, or a protective bubble, and that's how
I survived. And I was able to protect me inside
of that bubble and act professionally and do my job,
provide custody and control, which is what you're supposed to do,
and it usually was pretty good, although it was tested

(01:23:49):
not so much in the military prison, but in the
maximum security state prison where those people are older, and
all of them in one well, in the prison I
worked in the maxim security pred all of them had
committed at least one murder, you know, So these are
these are the worst of the word. They were killing
and raping other prisoners and other prisons, and they brought

(01:24:10):
them there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
So that's how they ended up on a maximum security.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Yeah, they're they're really people who are doing outrageous harm
to other people and to themselves too. And ultimately, so
some of.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Them I think they think that, especially I don't know,
depending on their sentence, if they're in there for life,
they're like, they don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
If they don't if I kill one more person, what
are they going to do? They yeah, they're going to
you know, I'm going to die here anyway, so you
know what, what the heck?

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Who cares? Yeah, exactly, that's the thing they have. No,
they have no there's no punishment that you can hang
over their head. Yeah, you know, unless you would maybe
going to solitary own but even then.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Yeah, they can get eventually they have to be taken
out of there. And sure, and you know they're you know,
well meaning. This is another example of well meaning people,
you know, like they a c l U, which I'm
glad we have the ac LU. I'm not against them,
but they said it was inhumane for us to feed
these incorrigible prisoners, violent, extremely violent prisoners through a book

(01:25:11):
pass because we were feeding them through there. Because every
time we open their cell to let them out to eat,
they would try to kill somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Incl That's the part that yeah, see see, and that's
somebody that the one that make that observation is removed
from the immediate situation you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
We want we wanted to like bring them in there.
You want to see what happens when we open the cell.
We have to get three or four guards with riot
gear just to get the guy out of the cell,
and then we got to keep him separated from everybody else.
It's easier just to give him his food through the
until he modifies his behavior and shows for a certain
period of time that he can, you know, at least
follow some rules. But anyway, it's just you know, people

(01:25:49):
just don't understand the environment you're dealing with, and they
have good intentions. They of course nobody wants to be fed,
you know, like that, you know, but that's what can
you do. You can't lose two or three guards every
week because you're trying.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
To let me ask you something. How many of those
people do you I mean, obviously they had committed some
type of crimes. How many of those people do you
really think were really and by this, I'm not excusing
what they did, truly mentally ill like they were really
that that's really what led them into committing these crimes.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
I think to a certain extent all of them have
some degree. But we also in that same prison, we
had the the psych wing, if you will, a criminally
insane wing, and that was this actually more scary than
segregation than solitary. Yeah, because those people, even though they're

(01:26:45):
heavily medicated, some of them are still completely wild, like
a like a yer.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
Yes, they don't fear, there's no consequence you're going to
tell them. They don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
They can't pain. A lot of them, yes, you know,
and they give them, they try to give them so
much thorizine or whatever it was that they would be
when they're out of their cells. They're like walking around
like zombies. They're drooling, they're shuffling their feet, do you see.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
And I'm glad because you have a very good behind
the scenes, real life experience, because you know, they've been
talking about reopening some of these asylums that they used
to have, and I agree with it. I don't know,
how do you feel about because I think some people
need to be what's the word I'm looking for, And
by this, I don't mean you have to be like
killing people, but some people they need some guidance. They

(01:27:33):
just if you leave them on the street, they're eventually
going to fall into the crime or killing people because
just what's wrong with them is they self medicate, you know,
with drugs, which they shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
It's sad there. You know, a lot of the there
homelessness is are really you know talking about that most
most of them have mental health issues, some very serious,
others more you know, situational that they can probably get better.
Some it's just going to be chronic and they need
to be institutionalized. And it's unfortunate, but that's you know,
they say, well it's cruel to put Well, it's cruel

(01:28:05):
to leave them on the street, leave them on the
street where they're just yes, some you know, they don't
live very long. They're unhealthy, they're like my daughters and
nurse they come in there and they're like covered. I
mean it's just covered with body lice, and it's just
that's no way for a human being to live, you know. Yes,
we got to.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Have left of their own devices. They just don't they
can't get their meds.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Or or they can't take care of themselves. They're just
unable to do it. And it's anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
So yeah, and most of these places. But my point
is a lot of these places, even from before they
had what you were describing, they had a wing for
individuals who were so violent, okay that you couldn't even
let them, you know that they're like, and uh, let
me tell you something. I think and I think and
I'm sure you've seen that a lot of these old

(01:28:52):
asylums they have a reputation of being very badly haunted.
And I think so because I think that a lot
of it comes from some of these people who were
really really really disturbed. They had something with them that
was not causing it aggravating their their symptoms.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Oh definitely. And and some of them were probably extremely
psychic as well. So they're going to leave a signature
behind that's going to be very powerful and probably malevolent.
You know. Added to you absolutely well to give you
an example, and this is, uh, you know, in line
with you know what you what you do with your show.
But I okay, I'll set it up. I'll try to

(01:29:38):
do it quickly. I'm not sure how much time you lived.
But the I was on Coast to Coast, you know
that show, and I was and this guy, this TV
producer or a film producer, contacted me, got a hold
of me, said I I'd like to bring you to
Chicago and test your abilities. And I took it as
a challenge, and he said, I think I'm doing this

(01:29:59):
this h this documentary show or this new show, and
I think you'd be perfect. But I want to test you.
I want to bring you to Chicago, take you to
some places, see what you pick up on. I'm not
going to tell you what happened there, but see what
you can pick up on. I'll film it. I'll have
you miked up. And I said, okay, but my wife's
coming with me. I'm not going there by myself. I
don't know who you are, you know, you know, I

(01:30:20):
don't want to end up an alleyway somewhere in Chicago.
So I go there with my wife and he takes
me to some places and I'm I'm a little bit nervous.
I'm trying too hard to impress him. You know. Hubris
took over because it was show business, and I thought,
you know that often happens, you know, it's terrible that way.
But anyway, so I was getting okay, you know, okay

(01:30:43):
readings of places, and then he took me to this,
and so I decided I really got to double my efforts.
So I got a little bit lax with my protection,
and he took me to the south side of Chicago,
to a very run down, scary part of Chicago, and
we pulled into an all these parking lot and there
was like this elev l train, you know, the elevated

(01:31:05):
train next to the old post office and an alleyway.
As soon as I got out of the car, I
started seeing a like an old black and white jerky movie,
you know, in front of me, and it was all
like horse and buggies, people in dark clothing rushing back
and forth, except there was one man standing closer to me,

(01:31:29):
staring at me, and he had a bowler hat and
one of those curly mustaches, and he was just standing
there like this, and he looked so malevolent. I mean,
it's scary, and I thought, wow, who is that? And
I was miked up, you know, I go who is that?
Who is? And then all of a sudden the image
went away. So I thought, I gotta I gotta reconnect
what's going on here. I never bothered to do my

(01:31:50):
protection that we all are supposed to do.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Right, uh huh.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
So I went into the alleyway. I do what a
lot of us do. We make a connection to something
physical that's been there for a long time. And I
connected it. As soon as I touched this old tree.
I was tackled to the ground. I mean physically. And
I'm a big guy. I'm six', three about two hundred
and twenty. POUNDS i got tackled LIKE i was tackled
by AN nfl, lineman you. KNOW i, MEAN i was

(01:32:17):
drinking to the ground and there's nobody, There there's nobody behind.
ME i was just physically tackled by something that wasn't
an invisible. Force right as soon AS i get to the,
ground all of a, SUDDEN i filled my life force
ebbing out of, me Like i'm melting into the. Ground
and all of a, SUDDEN i started seeing like people
in a.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Dungeon AND i know who you, saw but keep.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Going, yeah, no, YEAH i know you're. Nowhere and they're
like reach trying to grab, me and they're like in.
Torture they're being tortured and they're bleeding and they're screaming
AND i And i'm he's not filming, me BUT i
miked up AND i tell him What i'm, seeing AND i,
said this is. Terrible AND i couldn't get. Up as
that hard AS i, TRIED i couldn't Get and then
FINALLY i just every bit of me just SAID i

(01:33:01):
want to. LIVE i don't want to go, there wherever that,
IS i don't want to go. There SO i pulled
myself back. UP i got. UP i was, injured physically
injured my, toe ok. Me he comes running out and he,
said we got to get out of. Here i'm feeling
something bad AND i, said WELL i. Don't, yeah we
got to get out of. Here SO i, said, okay
and we go into the. Car we get out of,

(01:33:22):
there and as we get into the, CAR i, said
you got to tell me what is this? Place and
he says that this is the site that alleyway there
was the original site of the Murder hotel WHERE Hh.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Holmes.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
Holmes, yeah in the eighteen ninety Whatever chicago was there
built this hotel that was there was torture chambers and,
dungeons and he killed maybe upwards of three hundred. People
HE i think he Was america's first mass murderer as
far AS i. Understand there's a book about, it Something
The White city or. SOMETHING i forgot the, right but

(01:33:57):
he's very well. KNOWN i. DIDN'T i didn't know who it.
Was for some, REASON i didn't know who it. Was
SO i got back to the hotel AND i got
in my computer AND i looked UP. Hjh, holmes and
up pops this picture of the dude THAT i saw
with the bowler hat and the. Mustang that's.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
Him and you were, like wait a, MINUTE i know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
This. Yeah and and of course when he was in
prison he said people who witnessed it said his face
was morphing into a demonic. Face SO i think talking
about attachments or possessions, Obviously, Yes so he.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
Didn't you know the one that's written books about. IT
i think his grandson or his great. Grandson the last
name Of mudget is one of the ones that's written
extensively about.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Y oh devil in The White. City that's the.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
Name, yes that's. It that's. It that's. It.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
Yeah SO I i don't know if it was actually
his spirit or the him and the entity that possessed
him or whatever some, combination but it's still there and
it's very. Powerful AND i had learned a big, Lesson
and this is a good lesson for anybody that's listening
who wants to do these investigations or psychic. Stuff you
got to protect yourself every single, time and you have

(01:35:08):
to make sure you don't get in over your. HEAD
i had no idea what was going on. THERE i
didn't know how bad it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
Was so did this guy tell, you the one that
after he took you, there the one that, said, hey
let's get out of, here did he tell you what was?

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
It? Yeah he told me it WAS Ahh holmes and
it was.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
No But i'm saying that when he felt, that he
himself said, hey let's get out of.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
Here he just he said he felt like his like
every bone in his or every particle of his body
was like moving and like he was getting all scrambled.
Up he said it was a very unsettling. Feeling you,
know he was all tingly and he was, nervous and,
yeah he said it. Was so it was very very,
powerful and it's still. There and then as we were driving,

(01:35:46):
away he told me all, that AND i go. NEVER
i got really, mad AND i, SAID i Know i'm
supposed to do, this but never take me to a
place that bad without giving me a little bit more heads.
Up but then WHEN i thought about it, LATER i
felt bad because it was partly my fault BECAUSE i
didn't protect. Myself and IF i really protected, MYSELF i
wouldn't have let that. HAPPEN i would have you, know

(01:36:06):
you need reinforcements or in my, case IF i know
there's a demonic kind of thing, THERE i just don't go.
THERE i don't that's not my. SPECIALTY i don't want,
to you, know fall victim to that because it was
physically and mentally. Draining so but, yeah he told, me
he told, me look at the people in this, neighborhood
and it was a poor. Neighborhood but he, said, look,
yes AND i looked at them and they were all

(01:36:28):
walking with their heads down and they were so. Depressed
and so maybe it was the, property maybe it was the,
area or maybe it was this demonic entity that's still right.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
Up something there that that you know, what it was
really weird because he asked it Was he asked me
buried for cement to be poured into his uh into
HIS i guess the cemetery plot, right because he was
afraid of being. Dissected but there was a rumor at

(01:36:57):
one point going around that he never got that he
escaped The hangsman's sous AND i want to, say a
few years, back they actually took THE dna and confirmed
that it was, him that it was him. Buried because
this is how devious his reputation, was that people thought
that somehow or other he had made some type of
because he even kept when he was waiting to get the,

(01:37:20):
execue was kind of like, Saying i'm gonna get away from.
This and he was so devious that people thought somehow
or other he figured out a way of escaping the hangsman.
Soos but at the same time he was also worried
about getting dissected because and he, said, no, poor poor some.
Cement so remember also not that. Much but even back,

(01:37:41):
then they still had a lot of the, people you,
know steething bodies From Great raven but because of his you,
know back, then you know that they would take a
lot of these serial killers what we call now serial,
killers to dissect their brains to figure out like what
was wrong with this. Person and that turns out that
he was afraid of.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
That and he was a doctor, too so that's the.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
Right and he was he, was he was a Very
and what's really weird is that that, castle he would
what he would do is so that nobody could figure
out what he was. Doing is he would have a
set of workers come, in do this work on this,
floor fire, them and half the time wouldn't pay, them
then bring in another set of. People so nobody really

(01:38:27):
ever understood what he was doing, there what he was,
building because nobody was there the entire time from beginning
to end to figure out.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
That, WELL i think in a way part of him did,
escape but you know psychically that whatever that entity or
part of, him his body might have been, buried but
that that got away and is still, there you, know
wreaking havoc, well.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
AND i think some of those personalities they truly think
that they're never gonna get, caught right. Right they've gotten
away with it for so long that they think that
they're smarter and that They i'm never going to get.
Caught once they get caught and you, know brought to
trial and sentenced and, executed they still resistant up to
the last minute that this could be their. End and

(01:39:19):
then they, yeah it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Was it was a scary. Experience and even WHEN i came,
BACK i was teaching the paranormal personal history. Class AND
i came back AND i went to, class AND i had,
several uh well maybe three people in that class who
were professional, psychics and you, know they took the class
because they wanted to see WHAT i. Knew But i'm not, like,
OH i don't know. Everything i'm just here to you,

(01:39:44):
Know So i'm just giving kind of the. Background and
then people share their. Stories and this one, lady she
looks at me as soon AS i get into the,
classroom she, goes, dude there is something seriously wrong with
and she went. Out she got physically. Ill she went,
outside AND i had to go AFTER i, Said i'm,
sorry what's going? On she, said you got you have
an attachment to. You you there's something going. On AND

(01:40:06):
i felt horrible after that. Experience it wasn't just. That
there was also a very evil tattoo parlor that he
had me go to where there was a murder AND
i saw the dead man and you know the terrible
things that were. There so there were some other things
not as.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
Bad my, god that sounds. Interesting let me ask you.
Something who killed?

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
It?

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
Was who got? Killed the tattoo wards or the tattoo?
Wards was the?

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
Killer know that the guy who owned the shop and
he was killed by some demonic. Bikers oh my, GOD
i had you, know they wanted to hang around the
shop and they were trying to force the force him
to sell and he wouldn't do. IT i see one
of them killed him up in like the upper window

(01:40:51):
where he, was you, know in the left hand, side
and that's WHERE i saw, him and that's where he
told me that he had been. Murdered and there was
another psychic that had been there before me who had
more of the same, story but like a different. Perspective but,
anyway so it had been confirmed by a couple of.
Psychics but but, yeah that was that was a scary experience,

(01:41:14):
too because we went you, know it wasn't, Open the
shop wasn't, open so we went in front and he
was filming AND i was there And i'm trying to
Get there were gargoyles. Outside it was, creepy really creepy as, heck,
Right AND i was like trying to get a, sense
AND i saw like a devil coming out of the
wall and in a fiery hole coming out of the.
Wall AND i was describing EVERYTHING i was, seeing and

(01:41:37):
then all of a sudden in the darkness appeared this
beautiful young. Lady but she had like flame colored. HAIR
i don't know if you, know it's like red and
yellow and, black and it was like flames in her.
Hair and she had tattoos on every part of her.
BODY i mean it. Was and she was, like what
are you doing? Here AND i just, said, Well i'm

(01:41:59):
a psychic And i'm here trying to figure out what's going.
On she, said, well you can't come, in and she
said you're, psychic, really and then she kind of, changed she,
said you can't come, in but that's pretty cool that you.
DID i, said, yeah and then she, said but you
can't come. IN i, said, okay but she had just
appeared out of the, darkness and then she said it
can't come. In and then she, said, okay all, right

(01:42:21):
we know we're not going to come. In we'll be
leaving in a couple of. Minutes and she said, okay
and then she disappeared into the darkness. Again AND i
found out the other. Psychic he got into the, building
and he was being followed around by these, bikers the
ones who had killed the, guy because they wanted they
didn't want this guy to know what, happened so they

(01:42:44):
can't and they they that guy. SON i didn't know
this until later in the upstairs by that bedroom, there
somebody had painted a devil coming out of a. Hole.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
OH i was going to tell. YOU i can tell
you right now what you're describing. It any amount of
money that they did some type of ritual work, there, guaranteed,
yeah and.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
Guaranteed and THEN i, SAID i think there's you, KNOW i,
said there's a lot of fire in a in a
like a. Chamber and then and THEN i found out
that the the place used to be there used to
be a. Crematorium there it, was oh my, god it's
mortuary at one.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
Point that was not a. Coincidence that was not a.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Coincidence so THEN i looked up the current owner and
this is really. FREAKY i looked up the current owner
and it was this weird. Name AND i looked at
the name on the you know title registration that you
could look and it was like a weird. Name it
looked like an anagram to. Me it looked like it scrambled.
Letters SO i put it in an anagram, analyzer which

(01:43:45):
you can do, online and it came out the name
was something Like eater Of.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
Flesh there you. Go AND i, go, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
This is so. CREEPY i can't even you, KNOW i
wrote you, GO i, said this is all coming together.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Here let me tell you. Something i'm gonna tell you,
something AND i don't.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
Know this is.

Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
Me just if you think that these bikers wanting that
tattoo shop so badly was just because maybe it was
a profitable, Place, nope they had that probably wanted that
tattoo parlor because of what was there, before.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Right, yeah they could tie into that and and feed,
off like you, said feed off that. Energy, yes that's
and uh and that kind of, stuff and that, GIRL
i don't know if she was being held prisoner or
she was a willing participant or. Whatever obviously she was
getting To maybe she was a tattoo artist that lived,
there but that couldn't have been a pleasant place for
her to. Live but maybe that was herd.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
When they put, her they made her like a little. Sentinel,
yeah that that could.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
Be and maybe she's not even maybe she's not even completely.
Real who. KNOWS i don't. Know but, yeah WHEN i came,
BACK i had an. Attachment SO i. HAD i had
a friend of mine who's a shaman and in the Uh peruvian,
tradition you, know she's an older. Lady she's like, NINETY
i think she just turned. Ninety wonderful, lady and she

(01:45:09):
has a shamanic. School SO i, said, YEAH i THINK
i need some. HELP i had this experience In. Chicago,
yeah come on, over and she did a ritualistic. CLEANSING
i went in feeling not good and, heavy and WHEN
i came, OUT i felt like lighter than. Air it was,
Amazing AND i went back to. Class the psychics were happy,
again and you know, everybody everybody's thumbs up Bank, well

(01:45:35):
it's all due to the. Shaman you.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
Know so let me tell you. Something, yeah people don't
realize when you go to some of these places you
can pick up, stuff you, know because it's just especially
if there was something repeatedly going, on, yeah or there
was or there was dark. Rituals, well in this, case
this thing With Dat holmes was, like come on a.
Gang good any darker than, that that's.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
Like, exactly, yeah body pretty high body count.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
There, no JUST i think just the mechanics of his,
brain the way he thought that in himself is so.
Dark because let me tell. Something at the end of the,
day like you, said he was a, doctor, realistically he
was doing THIS i think for the sheer want of
killing these. People, yeah you, know it was a like
oh you know sometimes even though he a couple of

(01:46:23):
times he would put out life insurances on some of these,
people you, know but basically he wasn't really doing it
for the. Money he was doing it because he wanted to.
Kill and he. Killed and what's really funny is he
had no. Time he would kill, anybody, children, women, men anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
That that's WHO i saw in the. DUNGEON i, said, men, women, children.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Everybody you. Know but he had no specific. Victim, yeah
no he. Was that's a horrible. Guy. Yeah, Anyway, BRUCE
i want to thank you so. Much it's been wonderful
to talk to. You are you working on any book
or anything?

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
Now, Yeah i'm working on a WELL i call it
an anti text, book BUT i, uh it's a book
that kind of it'll be for my students WHEN i
have the credit. Class. OKAY i call the Book Who's? There,
okay a history of the of the paranormal and including you,
know ghosts and and you, know hauntings and UFOs and.

(01:47:17):
All you know that it's all tied. TOGETHER i just
used that quote From. Hamlet you know who's? There that's the, opening,
okay you know when they see the. Ghost you know
who's there when the guards say. That but so, yeah
that's that's the other than my comic, books Which i'm
always working on so which also have paranormal and AND
ufo alien related, themes which is fun to explore in

(01:47:41):
a fictional. Way but yet.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
It's, right that's that's the idea behind.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
It yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
Yeah so for my podcast, listeners what's your website where
they can find your?

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Work my full, name So, Bruce and Then Olaf solheim
uh dot.

Speaker 1 (01:47:58):
Com so That's i'll put a link in the credits though.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
In amazon, too they can look Up, solheim you, know
and they'll find all my books or are are? There
uh and including the comic, books so ebook versions and so.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
Forth so, YEAH i want to wish you the best Of,
look we got to Think i'll be contacting you for
you to come back because you've got so many wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
Stories, well Thank, yeah it's been great talking to you AND.
I you, KNOW i think we we really connect in.

Speaker 1 (01:48:28):
A, yes wonderful. Way yes we have we. Have take,
Care thank, you bye. Bye, likewise, see by the WAY
i was looking at HIS i was looking at all
of his, books BUT i was looking at his comic,
books and there's ONE i think it's REALLY i love.

(01:48:49):
It it's The Doctor Jekyll Alien hunter with a female lead.
CHARACTER i was looking at. That that's real. COOL i
like the way his mind. Works but, yeah and you
know what it goes to. Show you've talked about. It you,
know you can have people that can be an analytical
type like a, professor and then be involved or in

(01:49:10):
the background have a very unanalytical life. Experiences how's this
because that's just the way it, works you know, that
because some people, think, oh you, know if you're, psychic
you're all the time you're walking around like oh you,
know or or if you're totally, analytical it's like you
don't get. It you, know all you see is angles
and everything you gotta be measured and on a. List

(01:49:32):
that's not. True you can just LIKE i was saying
about how people, think, oh of your psychic you're lightning
and you're a nice. Person and there's a lot of
people that are psychic that are real. Jerks. Right it's
not like how's. This it's not, like, oh the gift
of psychic, Ability i'm gonna give it to you because
you're such a nice. Person, no there's people out, there

(01:49:55):
like he was, saying and even the ones either a
jerk or that just you, know or in some cases
some of the ones that really learn how to fine tune,
it they basically learn how to use it all. Right
and you, know because a lot of people, think, well

(01:50:15):
if you're, psychic or like, here like why why don't
you go and and pick up the winning numbers for
the lotto or you, know the, gambling you'd be surprised
some of these. People it's not as easy as it
seems all right to get a certain outcome or to

(01:50:37):
see ahead of, time let's, say like winning, numbers BECAUSE
i think there's so much variables before that. Happens BUT
i guarantee you that on certain at certain, times certain
psychics AND i think that when you have, that you
know when when you're when you're, hot like, Man I'm

(01:50:59):
I'm i'm a psychic streak, Today my psychic is. Up
that the people that have, that that that's part of
their personality of, that they'll they'll hit up the casinos
and they'll win because they Recognize i'm I'm I'm i'm
gonna trust my. Gut that's number. One like, that in other,
words they believe in their psychic. Abilities and number, TWO

(01:51:19):
i Know i'm gonna psychic high today is by the,
way psychic is not like A seti. Stream it's not
like you're like that all the. Time it goes up and.
Down and the ones that Recognize i'm gonna hide, Today
I'm i'm super psychic, today they they act on. It
and then there's others in other. Circumstances and let's let's
go with the quasi criminal. Psychic, okay you'll have the

(01:51:44):
psychics again who acknowledge A i'm psychic or. Whatever you,
Know i'm just happened to be a. Criminal at the same,
time who will for, instance rust their hunches, like, hey
you know, WHAT i was gonna go rob this place
OR i was gonna do, that OR i was gonna go,
there and something tells them don't go, there you. Know

(01:52:05):
or they're getting ready into something and something tells, them,
no you, know either that this is something somebody's. There let's,
say if they're pine To raba place and they're thinking
it's empty or, something someone tells, Them, nope don't do.
That there's somebody there and something that they house this
that they couldn't recognize based on their five, senses but

(01:52:32):
something's telling them this is not something's. Offered don't go,
there don't do. That somebody's. There you thought the house
was empty but it's not, empty or, hey don't go
with so and so today because something's gonna go, down all.
Right and my point being that the psychic part doesn't

(01:52:54):
turn off because you happen to be a bad guy
or a criminal or a. Thief and a lot of
times if they know what they're, doing and they recognize
that about. Themselves they after a, while they learned to
pay attention to. It some of them will be used
to you, know like the house, this like, oh like
a lucky you know how people used to. Eat, well

(01:53:16):
some people still, do like a rabbit's food or something
that they consider like a good luck. Charm some of
them get attached to a good what they consider a
good luck. Charm but really they're the good luck charm
or or the. Charm in other, words they're the ones
really that give them the the go green, light green
light or red, light don't, go don't, go don't. Go

(01:53:40):
and if they're, smart or if they have some life,
experience they don't try to, extrapolate well why DO i
feel that? Way or why is? That they learn just
to say no or yes AND i don't need to
figure out WHY i feel that, Way, okay so and that's.
Why also what helps is that a lot of, criminals

(01:54:04):
depending on the level of their, criminality also develop a
sense of. Hypervigilance sometimes that some of them have them
even since they're, children that they pick up on stuff
that most people that don't they. Do they do pick
up on stuff about, situations, locations. People that feeds into

(01:54:30):
the subconscious. Mind it comes out as a. Hunch not
all the, time but sometimes stuff that to other people that, go,
shit we don't even though a subconscious usally picks up on.
That but it never sets up alarm. Bells how's that
never sets off alarm? Bells and but, yeah when he
said that thing about, It oh he went to that,

(01:54:51):
place and he, Said, oh WHEN i that guy with
a bowler hat and that big, MUSTACHE i, said, oh
that's THAT'S. H. H, holmes, which by the, way if
you sign out for my newsletter on, SUBSTACK i wrote
an article not too long ago talk talking ABOUT i

(01:55:13):
call Him holmes. Helper and he had a guy that
worked there with, him like maybe you want to call Him.
Janitor and when the police finally this thing broke, about
you know what he had done and. Everything this guy
was still living on the premises all, right, which by the,
way was very badly. Built they, said that whole, place you,

(01:55:35):
know it had all these booby traps and he's hidden
rooms and other. Things but it was very badly built
because it was. Sloppy he would hire people do this
part and not pay them, Okay but, anyway this guy
stayed behind and he would uh basically he was the
well whenever when when this, thing you, know when this

(01:55:58):
thing about, him they finally caught up with. Him they
came and they talked to, him and he was, like,
NO i had no idea you know what he was.
DOING i just knew, that you, know he would just
have people come and, go AND i usually went And
simon in his. Office as a matter of, fact this
guy's name Was Pat, quinlan all, right and, he LIKE i,

(01:56:21):
said when all of, this you, know this thingle with
THE Hh holmes happened about eighteen ninety, five all, right
and they had already been a, fire and he lived
on one of the floors with his wife and a
bunch of the bottom. Line he eventually he MOVED i

(01:56:46):
think it was back to was it can't, no was
It michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
Or?

Speaker 1 (01:56:52):
Canada, Okay i'm, Sorry. Michigan it Was. Michigan he moves
back there because finally this place IS i forget. It
it had become so, infamous, notorious plus it was falling. Apart,
anyway he goes back to where they, live him and
his wife were, from and he ended up committing suicide
in nineteen, fourteen and he left a note SAYING i couldn't. Sleep,

(01:57:16):
now a lot of people he never got prosecuted for,
anything but a lot of people said that he knew
a lot more about what was going on there at this,
castle The castle of death or WHAT i recalled, it
more than he ever admitted. To you, know he was
kind of trying To So i'm not surprised When bruce's

(01:57:41):
describing this really bad encounter with what that, location all,
right because he would he would just go and he
would place these personnel personal AS i guess the equivalent
of dating app, now well back then it was you

(01:58:01):
would put like a little personal out of the, newspaper
and he would put all these personal, adds and by the,
way which other killers have done, before looking for, women
like a Lonely hearts club kind of. Deal and always
of course was you, know his intentions were to find
somebody to. Marry it's incredible to think he had women

(01:58:24):
traveling over there from other parts of the country to see. Him,
now of, course you, know he paints himself as a
man of, means you, know blah blah blah. Blah but
when you read it you're, like how you? Know in other,
words these women put themselves in harms and some of,

(01:58:45):
them even their children were, killed, right even their children were.
Killed as a matter of, fact there's one story with this, Guy.
Quinlan the janitor is. Married he's a married, guy but
he starts fooling around with one of the. SERVANTS i
guess that he had that would come and clean, up
and all this gets her. Pregnant his wife is up In.

(01:59:06):
Michigan so this Is remember he built this hotel around
the time of The World's. Fair So quinlan's wife is,
Saying i'm gonna come visit you because The World's fair blah,
blah you, Know, chicago the whole nine. Yards So quinland
goes to see him and, says, Hey i'm in a.
Jam i've been fooling around with so and. SO i

(01:59:30):
can't remember her. Name now she's, pregnant visibly. Pregnant she's
even told her sister and my wife is coming down
From michigan to spend time with. Me. Here guess What holmes,
Does i'll take care of the. Problem ends up gassing the,

(01:59:51):
servant the, mistress and the sister kills them both with
the unborn baby, yep a. Word don't, Worry i'll take
care of it for. Him it was, like, oh a
great excuse to kill, somebody even though he didn't need an.
Excuse but, yeah that's why a lot of people said
this Guy quinlan knew more than what he let on
because you're not gonna go see your boss and tell

(02:00:13):
HIM i have a situation here and he ends up
killing your. Problem all, Right he ends up killing your
problem for. You that right there should have told. You oh, yeah,
ANYWAY i hope you guys like this episode With. BRUCE
i will leave a link to his. Website he's, got

(02:00:36):
like you, said he can go to his, website you
can go To. Amazon, also don't forget to sign up
for my newsletter on. SUBSTACK i do have a lot
of interesting articles, there plus you, know old, podcasts old.
Videos but you can go to mimigoschronicles dot com or
mppelviser dot com and you're gonna find links to everything
there as. Well got a lot of great guests coming,

(02:00:58):
on Like bruce returning ones talking about a lot of weird.
Stuff god, knows there's a lot of weird. Stuff you.
Know just when you think you've had enough. Weird it's,
weirder and let's face, it some of the stuff IS
i don't, Know LIKE i said that that ARTICLE i
wrote at THAT i read about in the, beginning which
is this earthquake In canada or this or this tremors

(02:01:23):
And i'm, like oh my, god and it's, like, yeah
but the last time it went, off it was twelve
thousand years. Ago was, like, okay why did you write
this article about? Anyway you, KNOW i, mean let's face,
It i'm expecting something, imminent not something that happened the last.
Time oh, no because we've been we've been monitoring in
it and it. Trembles it's, like, okay talk about fear.
Porn but, anyway, guys please come back every. Week thank

(02:01:46):
you for spending this, time AND i will see you.
Soon take, care

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