Spirits, Spells and Rootwork | Interview with Miss Aida | Podcast - Stories of the Supernatural

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That would be really helpful if I myself. How's everybody
doing good? Well, everything is good over here. Uh you know,

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finally our temperatures are dropping a little bit. It's good.
We're heading towards Halloween, which to me is like, hey, yeah,
you know. And I was talking about it in the
last show that who was I talking to? It was
a guest prior to that that we were kind of
in the same age group, and we were talking about
like what Halloween was like when we were kids. That
people would actually walk around their neighborhoods all ages, and

(01:52):
that they're the people that lived in the neighborhoods actually
you know, would wait for the kids with candy, or
they would do scared not even the scary stuff is
you know, when I remember I was going up, you
didn't really have that many people do scary scary stuff.
But I mean, I want to say eighty five percent
of the houses would be half candy. They were there

(02:14):
to give candies to the kids, or they would or leave.
They would even leave sometimes one of those big dishes,
you know, or a bowl on the thing and how's
this And you know, you would have had a couple
of houses. Sometimes the people weren't home or they just

(02:35):
didn't want them. They would have their porch lights off,
you know, and it was just like you know, you understood,
but everybody, everybody in the neighborhood. The people wanted to
give out candies to the kids, you know, the kids
were going around their neighborhood. And by the way, this
was not like now, like most neighborhoods had this, like
like it a few blocks span and like I'm saying,

(02:56):
you would be walking and there would be another group
around the corner and then you would see other people
walking up and down the street. Bottom line though, it
was like very what's the word I'm looking for? Like
I think that kids nowadays lost out on that because
come on, it's like now it's very very What's the

(03:19):
word I'm looking for? Like, you know, you go to
certain places you can take the kids, or a mall,
and it was like, come on, this is I don't know,
I just think that it's it's boring. I think that
kids lost out. And don't get me wrong, even back then,
everybody took precautions, you know, of checking what kids picked

(03:40):
up or you know, if anybody. But see, that was
the thing when you unless you were a teenager of
a certain age, you know, you always had an adult
in the group. Like if you ever happened to go
by somebody's house, you know, they wouldn't be standing at
the gate if you ever came across anybody creepy. But see,
the thing was that since the people that were coming
into your house with the neighborhood kids, that's another thing.

(04:01):
Back then, people were not as transient as they are.
Everybody knew who lived there, okay, and if by any
chance that was the creepy person's house, even the parents
would saying, no, we're not gonna go in there for candy,
forget it, right. But I remember I grew up and
I knew all my neighbors. I knew all my neighbors,
you know, and everybody knew, you know, the whose house
to go by and all these things. And I don't know,

(04:25):
something something along the way changed where I guess my
point because people could say, well, there's so many weirdos
or sick people. Those have always been around. Those are unfortunately,
those have always been around. But if anything, since people
were more aware of who their neighbors were. It's not like,
you know, like you hear about all these serial killers.

(04:47):
The neighbors go, he was real quiet, never came out,
and seemed like a nice guy, and then you find
out he's got ten bodies buried in the backyard. Back then,
you kind of knew everybody in your neighborhood. Some people
were friendlier than others, but overall, so it was like
if you're gonn, if you really are a sick person,
you thought, I'm not gonna do this because my neighbors
are gonna come and get me if I do anything
to any of their kids. You know, So that kind

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of deal. So yeah, I'm I kind of I was
having a nostalgia moment with a guest talking about that,
uh and hopefully that that that will come back. I'm
hoping that'll come back. I know that there's one of
my dogs having a moment. That's the enforcer time that

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I remember that certain neighbors have gotten together and said, no,
we're going to do that. But that's like you have
to live in a neighborhood that wants to do that.
You know that everybody gets together. The neighbors talk and say, hey,
we're gonna we're gonna have an actual Halloween. So the
kids can come around. So anyway, anyway, let's get on
to my interesting story for for the show. All right,

(05:59):
and this is out of Popular Mechanics again. All right,
and again I'm I'm not going into UFO land. Okay,
this is a metal detectorists found a bunch of ancient
gold coins. It turns out to be Devil's money. Okay,
we got to find out why is it Devil's money? Okay,
says here. A metal detectorist recently came across a cache

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of more than one hundred gold and silver coins buried
underground in the Netherlands, prompting archaeologists to come further investigate
the site. But knowing now what the coins were, therefore,
perhaps the archaeologists should have left them alone. According to
a study published in Medieval Archaeology, the coins, which that
buried for thirteen hundred years in the Netherlands were likely

(06:42):
used in cult rituals, and further around the side, archaeologists
uncovered the remains of a seventh century open air cult site.
It's more than plausible that the cache of coins was
what was known as Devil's money, coin offerings common at
pagan cult sites. Wow, the metal detectorists may define near

(07:04):
Hesingen or Hessingen, a hamlet near the Netherlands border with Germany.
The coins are from around seven hundred a d including
some rare finds from the mints of the Frankish Empire,
and were found along with metal jewelry in twenty twenty
and twenty twenty one. There were a number of clues
that helped the archaeologists deduced that the site where the
coins were found was once the stomping grounds for a cult.

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There were rows of posts, evidence of a large residence
in a clearing near an ancient road junction, on a
prominent elevated landscape, remnants of animal sacrifices and more. They
also determined that the gold coins and jewelry were placed
there in intervals over one hundred years and interspersed with
animal sacrifices, making it clear that the site once served

(07:47):
as a ritual sacrifice location for pagan gods. The archaeologist,
led by Jean Willem the Court of the Cultural Heritage
Agency of the Netherlands, located the signs of an old structure,
likely from the sixth century, as well potholes I'm sorry
post holes for wooden posts that aligned with spring and
autumn equinoxes, which tied the side to seasonal harvest rituals.

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The cult site was probably linked to a nearby high
status settlement with an enclosed cult house or ceremonial building.
The study authors wrote. The offerings may have been linked
to fertility rights, as the post were aligned with the
rising and setting of the sun during the spring and
autumn equinoxes. Okay, if anybody wants so, they can go
look up the rest of this really interesting. But the

(08:32):
question I always have when I read this is animal sacrifices,
and I'm hoping that they don't find human sacrifices. That's
the one that's like, Oh, it's bad enough for the
animal stuff. But when you start and from what I understand,
sometimes some of these pagan cults like animals was the norm,

(08:52):
but if things like really went sound like they did,
had pestilence or some type of really bad thing happening,
it was like, no, we're gonna we're gonna go full
monthy on this, and that's sometimes when they ended up
sacrificing humans. As a matter of fact, a lot of
the bog people over in the UK, which I believe
some of them were there were druid sacrifices, that's.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
And then in here they're even talking about the rise
of Christianity because around that time we're talking here the
Dark Ages, and you know, this is when Christianity was
trying to starting to come into some of these areas. Yeah,
this is then around the seven hundred AD is when
the rise of Christianity in the region. Also, as prominent

(09:39):
missionary text spelled out, to have pre Christian groups convert
to Christianity, they would need to stop worshiping pagan gods
and cease to sacrifice the so called devil's money. Okay,
since Hessingen or Hessingen was abandoned by the early eighth
century when Christianity began to spread, the study author suggest
that leaders of the town wealthy has shown by the

(10:00):
value the gold and silver, were some of the first
in the area to convert to Christianity. Now the question
is did nobody, okay, did nobody go looking for that
gold because they were scared it was devil's money, or
did they forget or whoever buried it, Because let me

(10:21):
tell you something, back then, all those gold pieces that
that was a massive fortune, all right, Was it like
nobody knew where it was or whoever knew it was.
Like now I'm not touching that. I forget it, because
let me tell you something. That's one of the things
they have, Like even with an Egypt you know, when
they have all these tombs that they've all they've all
been many of them have been robbed. You know, they say, oh,

(10:42):
the pharaohs or whoever buried them would put all these curses,
you know, so that tomb raider, you know, they wouldn't
come and get them. A lot of these people that
lived over there, a lot of those tombs they were
stuff was taken out of them. That's why when as
a matter of fact, when they found Teuton Commons tombed,
there was such a big deal because he nothing had
been disturbed. My point being that sometimes that fear of

(11:05):
curses or whatever, it doesn't really work. So makes you
wonder the person that knew where it was, they they forgot,
they died and there it was thirteen hundred years later
for somebody with a metal detector. I better not tell
my husband about that, because I can see him going
a metal detector, you know, and I think that's everybody
that that that that yearns to to come across a

(11:26):
buried treasure deal. I was always thinking, that's what I need.
I'm going to be the one to find that. Let
me tell you, Well, that's a whole other subject about
hidden treasure, but let's get onto the good part. The
good part is who is the guest today's Stories of
the Supernatural? She's been here before. Her name is miss Aida.
She's an author and teacher. Was born into a Cuban
family who practiced Santa Palo and Bruheia. The practice of

(11:49):
magic has always been a part of her life. She's
a natural born medium and a Hudu practitioner. In addition
to having received many initiations in Santia and Ballow, she's
a registered nurse and a proud United State's Air Force veteran.
Mess Aita also holds a Master of Science degree, a
renowned authority on who do. She's available for workshops, seminars,
media presentations, as well as private psychic readings. Help me

(12:12):
welcome her. How are you doing today? Here we go?

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Hey, I wanted to ask you about that article because
something interesting happened to me.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Manally.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
What happened?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Did they find human bones or no?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
No, they all they say in the article is sacrifice
and then they say animal bones. It doesn't sound like
they finished excavating there. I don't know. Yeah, like I said,
sometimes it wasn't that it was a one off that
they would sacrifice humans, like only if things got really dicey.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
But they didn't, well they didn't because I got to
tell you what happened to me.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
So I you know the in the in Santiria. You know,
one of the arishas is oh yeah, right, yes, and
she one of her past is she's keeper of the cemetery.
So I had asked her a favor, right, and she
granted the favor. So she likes egg plants, and she

(13:15):
likes these different colors, right, and you offer her nine pennies,
you know, if they gave it the cemetery, if that's
you know, that's one of her past So I got
an egg plant, all right, and I you know those
little flags with the toothpicks, yes, And I took nine
different flags on, you know, different colored flags, and I

(13:38):
set it down at the gate of the cemetery and
you know, I respectfully put nine pennies.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
There, right, And.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
The next night it was on the Detroit News that
they were looking for the devil worshiper.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Who are you kidding me? So I'm not kidding. And
they said that the FBI was on the case. I'm like,
oh my god, wait.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Wait wait wait, how did they go from that to that?

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Right on the news, I mean the Detroit News. I
was like, oh my god. You know, I kept my
mouth shut because I didn't want to go to prison.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
But wait, wait, wait, wait, I don't understand. How did
they go from nine pennies to and an eggplant and
an egg okay, and an egg plant, all things an eggplant?
How did they go from that to devil worshiping?

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I know.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
That's why I'm kind of questioning that article you're reading,
you know you read right, like, because.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Because I understand these were cults were that this was
like they were saying Christianity was going in there already,
but it wasn't there all the way and this was
I guess whoever was there in that area. And part
of their practice was animal sacrifice. Yeah, and I know
that sometimes when things got really difficult, that's when you
know they might they might sacrifice a human like okay,

(14:55):
but let's see what you know if they if it
ever comes, I believe this was just uh. I mean
they for that didn't have stayed hidden for thirteen hundred years.
That's a very long time.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
It's cool. That's cool. Wow.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's that's incredibly As far as
the uh they you know, same thing I was saying.
You know those bog people that they have found over
like the UK, that they've been preserved because they threw
them in those marshes. Oh yeah, they were they you know,
they were like by the Druids, And contrary to what

(15:31):
people think, sometimes sometimes they would sacrifice prisoners, but sometimes
they would hand choose among their own priests as like emissaries, okay,
and they would they would sacrifice like they had to do.
It was like they had to kill them a certain
way where it was they would like in other words,
they had to like do all these things all at

(15:54):
the same time. Hit them on the head, garot them,
choke them and pierce them. And they also sometimes gave them,
Oh my god, not mistletoe. There's something some other herb
which is poisonous. I can't remember what it is. It's
one of those nightingale No it was no, no, no,

(16:17):
I think I want to holly or mistletoe or something
something that if you ingested, it's it's poisonous. And the
reason is because they have found it in their stomachs
like undigested, like everything, you got everything all at once.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
And then of course, well they would throw them in
the bog because they thought that that was like the
portal into the into where the gods were, and they
were chucked in there. And what it did was it
preserved them very very well. Where was this, Uh, if
you go into the UK, that's what they call bog people,
b o g bog people. Yes, and they've they have

(16:54):
like they that they've even they could tell by you know,
the the tattoos they had, and that they were well fed.
In other words, this was not like a prisoner of
war that they used to sacrifice that sometimes they would
have their own people or even in their own druid
priest go kill him, like you're gonna go and do this.

(17:15):
As a matter of fact, one of the last ones
that I remember was reading about was when the Romans
were coming into that part of Britain and they were like,
oh boy, is let's face that the Romans were overpowering them. Yeah, Yeah,
so this was like, like, that's what I'm saying when
things like were really rough and they one of them,
they they as a matter of fact, he was so

(17:36):
well preserved. He had he still had his beard on,
red beard, red hair. He was naked. All he had
was still the rope around his neck. But they were
looking at his tattoos because you know that the celts,
which were the ones and the words, the ones, they
would tattoo themselves, and they could tell by that he
was well nourished and everything that he wasn't like he

(17:57):
was a not a nobody. Yeah, yeah, he had some
type of stature in the in their community. So yes, yeah, yeah,
that's what I'm saying. I'm wondering when you see this.
Every once in a while, they'll turn something up and
they go, that looks like a that looks not a
coward or whatever. A sheep, that's a human. That's a human. Uh,

(18:19):
that's a human.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Bark wow. I think the Aztec were the most horrible.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
The Incoanns, the Aztecs because they predated that like the Incas,
even the people that were there before the Incas, because
they would like have these empires, but they would borrow
you know, the prior. Yeah, and they would, let me
tell those people sacrifice a lot. They've been a covering
a lot of these, uh, these archaeological digs that they

(18:50):
were saying that, you know, when the Spaniards the conquista doors,
because some of them, by the way, they were doing
this pre arrival of the Spaniards. They were they were
that they said that they thought that some of the
stories of the Spanish or the you know friends stuff
the priests were writing, they were exaggerating. They're just trying
to make them look bad. They're not sacrificing. And now

(19:12):
they're doing all these digs where they're finding out that
they were accurate. They weren't doing it to make the
natives look bad. They were sacrificing thousands and child in Peru,
hundreds of children being no and yeah, yeah, they they

(19:32):
were very big when you read it that and even
now they have you know that in the Andes they
have a lot of mining take place, and they they
because you know that Catholicism is the official religion, they're

(19:54):
the majority, but they have they make these effigies that
they call it deal, which is like the effigy of
a devil, like seated and he's got a miner's hat.
And the belief is that if when you're going into
the pits to the to the earth, the only one
that can protect you is a deal. So they make

(20:14):
all these sacrifices and then offerings, and they put a
cigarette in his mouth in the wole nine yards. But one
of the favorite things that they have is they kill
the You know that they have the lamas out there
right right. Well that's another thing. When they find these
these sacrificial pits with children are humans, they also would
sacrifice hundreds of animals. So now they they they they

(20:35):
offer a bunch of lamas like as offerings to a deal.
And there's a place I learned about this recently. There's
a place in Peru. And it'll come to me in
a minute, Marlene. Where it's it's they do mining all right,
for gold and tailing metals, right, but it's so far
up the evelevation, so high because the ants are very

(20:58):
high mountains that the average temperature there during the year
is like thirty degrees. Oh, it's always cold, that's theeah.
Then there's days that it's older. So what they do
is if you're a miner there the mining company lets
you mine all month long for them, then one day

(21:19):
they allow you to mind for yourself.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
But this is the thing. They have a lot of
traditions where women are not allowed in the minds. That's
a big no no, no women allowed in the minds.
So what they say is that they have a big
thing of in other words, it's a longless town and
they do a lot of They bring in a lot
of women that don't girls don't realize where they're ending
up at. And once they're there, and they were saying

(21:47):
that that they believe at some point that they have
sacrificed some girls too in there. They don't calm those theos.
They have a male and a female effigy, same but
the same idea. If you're going into the earth and
you need protection, this is who's going to give it
to you, all.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Right, devils?

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Right, They kind of dress them up like, uh, if
you look at them, uh, they look like the kind
of devilish And they give them a miner's hat and
sometimes you know those masks that they have like old people.
Let me see if I as a matter of fact, uh,

(22:29):
let me see if I go find so I can
show you that when you and like again, they're like
it's like outside of the mine they believe the Catholicism
is there, you know what I'm saying. Yes, but if
you're gonna go into the into the minds, you you
need like the devil to protect you.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Okay, hold on a minute, I'm gonna that bothers me
when I can't Okay, here we go, I'm.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Going to bother me that people are depending on devils
to protect.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Well, that's the like in other words, like if you're
when you're going in there, you know, like you need
the uh how's this like the I hate to say it,
like here like you know the the the hold on,
let me uh, let me scroll through this. Okay, this

(23:21):
is see this one right there?

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
That's a deal all right all right. And by the way,
and they're found like throughout all these minds, all right,
then this is see this is them. These are live Lamas.
See how they they they and they they're called Challah.
They'll see how they put them on there. They're gonna
wheel them into the minds, all right. All right, So

(23:48):
see here they are wheeling it into like this is
very by the way, this is very serious for them.
They this to them, they don't play. This is a
very serious belief system for them. Hold on, let me
see if I okay, this is the one lain Gonado.
That's the name of this little town. And they know
one in Spanish and call it Hell in the Heights. Wow,

(24:11):
I never knew that. By the way, this place, it's
a gold mine. And it's at sixteen thousand, seven hundred
feet above sea level, which means that people that always
getting sick or dying, you know when because the air
is so thin. Yeah, okay, it's about thirty thousand people
and it's called the Lawless City of Peru. And this
right here, this right here is like an auelo. You

(24:33):
see how they dress it up and they put and
you know, and they put all these different offerings and
stuff like that. And yeah, is that a real Is
that a real person?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:50):
From what I from what I understand, this is like
and these are effigies. See how they give it like
the mining.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Cap right right, but the face and they great big.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
And what they were saying is that Laelo. They say
sometimes they find women's panties there and they say that
what the weddow likes are virgins. And the thing is
this that this is there's no law there, so they
there's no first of all, that they some of these

(25:22):
girls that end up there, there's nobody there to say, hey,
I haven't seen Maria. You know. They could have taken
Maria into one of the minds and saw what it
was happy and takes care of them.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Oh wow, So that's that's how they.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Make their money. They that one day. The people that
survived there, like the lifespan there is like like thirty
five years. That's the average lifespan.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
If I were a virgin and they were taking me
there to sacrifice me, I'd stick something up me so.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Back like whatever. But no, they they they they there's
nobody there to say, like there's no law per se,
like a police department. Who's gonna come and find out, hey,
what happened to that girl? Because all the girls there,
it sounds like when you read about it, that it's
trafficked and there was I can't remember, my god. There's
a guy, a Peruvian guy who went there to do

(26:10):
like a like a like a little documentary and he
had to go very with a big security team and
he had like somebody there that was taking him around,
and like on the third day he said, the guy
told him, look, you know, you just better leave. These
are gonna get killed. And I don't care if you
have a security team with you, just just go. And
of course this place there's no such thing as tourism.

(26:30):
This place is like when they say no man's Land,
No Man's Land. I had never heard of it in Peru. Yes,
and it's way up there. Plus you could get very
sick because the altitude is so high. But yes, that
that my point being coming back to the original that
that article was that in some of these things, when
the risk is high or bad things are happening, the

(26:52):
ultimate sacrifice ends up being a human being.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
You know.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
It's like I want to keep and they say that
sometimes that the deal or the or whoever it is,
that most of the time is to appease them. But
sometimes I don't care. Like in other words, sometimes it
doesn't work because I guess when they have Cavin's and
things like that. Oh yeah, and I think that also
I might be wrong, but I don't think like they're

(27:19):
in Peru or in those areas. And I know Bolivia
has a lot of minds that the mining industry is
as houses strict for workers, let's say, as in the
United States. Over there, it's like you know, a your
about to lose a few miners. Sorry, that kind of thing. Wow,
so yes.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Let me ask you a question, kind of changing the subject.
But when archaeologists find gold like in the Devil's Money, Okay,
they don't get any of the money, right.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Nothing, nothing, nothing, I can tell you that much right now.
As a matter of fact, there's a ship that went
off the coast of Marlene, Venezuela, Venezuela. Okay, this was
around the time the Spaniards were Okay, let me see
who's claimed it. The Spaniards, the Venezuelan government, the indigenous

(28:14):
population in Venezuela or the ones that were there at
that time, and the actual company that went down there
and found it. All right, in the United States, same thing.
I can't remember how many miles outside of the coast.
If you find anything, it automatically belongs to the state.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yes, people don't realize that. There's one lady's story. I'll
never forget it. She goes and she goes to a
good will and she buys what looks like, you know,
like the bust of a Roman guy. You know. She
buys it for like twenty bucks something like that, brings
it home. I don't remember how she figured it out
or she saw something, she takes it in. It turns

(28:56):
out it's an original bust from the first century.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Okay, guess what since unless you can prove ownership, like hey,
I got it because so and so sold it to me.
She had to had to go back to Italy, which
I think were the last owners on record. I don't
know what museum, and I don't know. Maybe they might
have given her like a little like thank you lady

(29:22):
for keeping us and they and they made like a
plaster model hit saying you can have the fake fake bus.
And by the way, that that bus thing was priceless.
It was priceless.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
People don't realize everybody thinks of buried treasure unless I'll
tell you what. I'll tell you what the difference is
if you that's by the way, that's even happened to
some museums that they've had to return things if they
can't show how they came by that art item. The
only way you find there was a guy a few

(29:57):
years ago named Fenn who had buried some tray. You're
up in the I want to say, in the mountains
of Colorado or something like that. As a matter of fact,
five people died looking for the darn thing. And he
wrote a book where he would he wrote some clues
like this, you gotta go here, and everybody's trying to
figure out. They even had forums on Facebook, I think
for people trading ideas looking for it and that. Yeah,

(30:21):
that's that's different. Like in other words, the idea was
if you find it, it's yours, right. In other words,
he published and it was about he said, I put
there like about the equivalent of two million dollars, which
of artifacts and gold coins.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Wow, and that would be back.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
No, that was like he died like in like about
three or four years ago. Five years ago he died.
But what I'm saying the guy, what he did for
a living was he used to have antiquities. He used
to have a place in the Southwest, I think Arizona,
New Mexico. So he had a lot of collections and
he put together a box and he says, I'm didn't
it didn't say exactly what was going in there by

(30:56):
saying I'm putting coins, jewels, certain artific facts estimated to
be worth about two million dollars. I'm going to hide
it somewhere and I'm going to close in my book.
If you can find it, finders keepers that kind of deal.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I got it, I got it, Okay.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
That yeah, that's different, which is I think while a
lot of people were going crazy doing stupid stuff. By
the way, like I said, five people died trying to
find it because that you could keep it, but no,
a lot of these buried. In other words, if you
find something, shut up and go see it. Atturn here first.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
If I'm out in the whatever the South or what
are those famous bank robbers at in the wild West?

Speaker 1 (31:48):
That oh well, there was sun Dance, there was Jesse
James and Jesse j Okay.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
So I found some of his stuff, right, I can't
have it.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
I can't keep it, you know what? I I don't
how's this? I'm not sure I would say your best
bet because I imagine some of the stuff, even if
it was paper money or gold or whatever, if it
was still intact, it would be like, who could prove
that that was the money that Jesse James stoole. It's

(32:20):
just like I found it. Hey, nobody's there to claim it.
It's not like a let's say like a work of art,
or let's say that bust where they knew that used
to belong to this museum in Italy or belongs to Italy,
or one of those deals like we know who the
original owner is. It's like, how do you know? You
know that kind of deal? I get it, sure, Oh yeah,

(32:42):
there's there's because you know, there's some companies out there
that they go big time after like places like whether
it's a ship or even because people don't realize. Once
upon a time, people were did not trust banks or
because of circumstances. Even during the Civil Wars, things got buried.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, people were like, you know, you were bearing this
for safe keeping.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
You.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
This was the only way to keep it safe because
remember back then, there was no such thing. Let's say,
if you went to a bank, there was no such
thing as the FDI see that guaranteed your loan. And
banks are getting held up. Even in the remember when
Bonnie and Clyde, You're in the depression, the banks were
getting held up. So a lot of people were like,
I'm not going to put my money in the bank.
I'm going to bury it in the bottle in the backyard,

(33:33):
and so a.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Letter written by Abraham Lincoln not mine. It's not mine.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Oh yeah, I think it would be. I think it
would be. Yeah, it would be.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Because we know who the original owner is.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Well, that's the thing. At this point, mister Lincoln is dead.
You know, Lincoln's dead. As a matter of fact, there's
a guy checked this out Amelia, his grandmother many years.
This was when Amelia Earhart was alive. Okay, his grandmother

(34:09):
had gone. I want to say it was in Chicago
or someplace where she was going to And this was
when she was real big, and her grandmother was out
there with his boyfriend or somebody, and Amelia takes off
her you know, one of her flying caps and throws
it into the crowd, right h The guy catches it,
gives it to his grandmother. That grandmother keeps it all
these years. She dies and he gets it. Inside was

(34:34):
like a little name tag that said Amelia Earhart or
a Airhart something like that. It took him like two
years to get a verified that this was. Like. In
other words, in the family, everybody talked about the day
that grandma was out with where Amelia was at but
he had to go like two years to get a
verified that this truly was Amelia Earhart. He kept it

(34:55):
because and I believe they what you do is you
put up you go to one of these auction houses
and it's sold for thousands of dollars.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Wow, because she had kept it, you know, and back
then they they made stuff well done. I think it
was like a leather one of those flying caps that
you put on. But yes, but yeah, he had to
like get it verified that that actually was and I
guess they there's ways of finding out that there's people
that that basically certify, yes, this is an authentic cap

(35:26):
that I mean the Earhart used. And there's a lot
of people that do find stuff like when grandparents die
and the in the basement or in the attic, you
know that it's like wow, I didn't know that had
that that Wow. Stuff that now is very As a
matter of fact, I've heard some people say and we're gonna,

(35:50):
we're gonna just we're gonna get to the paranormal in
a minute. That uh that they say the best collectibles
are the things that were not meant to be collectibles
to begin with. In other words, there's certain items that
were manufactured or made and then people throw them away,
and then time passes and you happen to have the
last or maybe a certain amount. It wasn't meant to

(36:10):
be a collectible. It's just you have it.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Let me ask you now that we're getting into the paranormal,
because we talk about this, and I'll tell you, why
do you think that any of these items ever get attachments?
Do you think?

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I do, I do absolutely. I think there can be
energetic attachments. Right, So if.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Amelia Earhart, let's just say, hypothetically, she.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Would wearing this hat and the plane crashed right right exactly,
that hat would still have that energy energy, you know
what I mean of the terror and the horror.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
So yes, absolutely, yes. And then there are times when.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Entities will be encased in an object also okay. And
then you have times where you have objects had as
you had previously mentioned, like the curses associated with the
Egyptian tombs. There's objects that can have spells on them.

(37:16):
So those are the three ways that it can happen.
So if you know, you know, I always use the
knife as a as an example. You know, if somebody,
let's Ted Bundy, you know I don't kill, but let's
just say he stabbed people. Okay, knife would have horrible energies,

(37:39):
and those energies, you know, of course, will affect you
or anybody I have. My ex boyfriend gave me a stone.
I don't know why the hell he did this, but
he lived in New York, in Manhattan, and so he
and his friend, I don't know what happened, but they

(38:01):
ended up with some of the stones from the nine
to one to one right hours, right, And you know,
I remember he came. You know, at the time, I
was living in Florida and he came. He was so
proud of himself, and you know, look what I got.
You know, this is a present for you.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
And my mother was living with me at the time,
and my mother was, you know, kind of docile.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
You know, it took a lot to really get her mad,
you know what I mean. All we did, the three
of us, was scream and yell and holler and scream
and yell and holler. I ended up kicking him out,
sending his well back to New York, right, And then
my mother said, it's at Stone, It's at Stone, And
then it hit me. Yeah, you know, nine one, So

(38:44):
you know, I had to get rid of it.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
I got rid of the energy. I got rid of it,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
But yeah, they carry they carry energies or you know,
certain items.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
You know, entities can be in cases as you well know.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Let me ask him this and I want your advice
on this. You remember, you remember Jane Mansfield that she
was an actress and she got killed in that in
that auto accident that she a boyfriend and a driver
got because they basically rolled in under a semi Now
there's been different you know that everybody pointed to her

(39:19):
association with Anton Lavay. Yeah, okay, Now one of there's
different versions of this story. But one of them was
that he was kind of she had she had gotten
together with her attorney. They were like lovers. It wasn't
only that he was representing her she was trying to
get divorced from the other guy. Was that Anton LaVey
was maybe a little bit jealous or whatever, and that

(39:42):
he had put a curse on the on the attorney
slash boyfriend and told her, hey, stay away from him. Yeah,
can that happen where you're you happen to be hanging
out with the person that's the target and you get
like what happened.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
With absolutely because of the energy field.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
So yeah, absolutely the purse is not going to work
when this guy happens to be by himself. It could
if you happen to be in the company of this
person who's got something.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
I mean, you know, the same thing happens, you know,
I mean it's you're sharing energies.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Okay, you know.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
But she didn't get decapitated.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Evidently that was a she pretty got mangled pretty bad. Oh,
she like to the top of it. Yeah. What happened
was they the three adults were in the front seat
because her three kids were asleep in the back seat. Okay,
so that's why all three of them were in the
front seat, and they he went under the back of

(40:47):
the of the they had a buick. They went under
the back of the semi It kind of like sheered. Thankfully,
believe it or not, The kids being asleep in the
back seat got injured. But since they were lying down
and there were children, that's why they survived. Because this
thing like sheared off the top.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Oh god, yes, yeah, right, No, the I wouldn't know that.
I just thought it was a car accident.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I no, no, no, no, And as a matter of fact,
that that thing about her getting decapitated really what it was,
she didn't totally get decapitated, decapitated but her her skull.
But what happened was that apparently she had a wig
on and the wig did one of those flying obviously
of course, so that's where that story came about. Okay,
that she had decapitated, but no, they just got like

(41:40):
very severe like. As a matter of fact, I believe
that that bar that now the eighteen wheelers have is
called Jane's Bar or Jane's something really because of that
after that accident, they put that on all the trucks.
So whow yeah, yeah, yeah, no, she she was. It

(42:02):
was one of those things that everybody was. And of
course it didn't help any Whether he had anything to
do with it or not, I'm not saying, but it
didn't help her any That she was keeping company with
Anton Levane. This was some time that she took a
bunch of photographs with him and all the stuff, and
it was like, lady, you.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Know here she was there, she was.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Ever it's too bad, you know, because she was a
very talented violin violinist.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
I mean, she was a VI, she you know what
the thing is that she uh, I don't know. Some
people that and I don't know how accurate this is.
Some some say that she had a problem with alcohol,
you know, and also that to stay real thing, she

(42:46):
was also taking what they call diapills. But it's gotta
be some type of amphetamine you know that makes you,
you know, hungry. But you're like, so, I think it
was a combination of things, you know, And it's like, yeah,
but talk about being at the wrong place at the
wrong time, and she, uh, yeah. The As a matter

(43:09):
of fact, she had that her house in Hollywood was
called the Pink Palace Bie she made everything pink as
a matter of fact. That came out in Life magazine
and once upon a time, Ringo Star bought it and
he tried to take the pink off and he couldn't fit.
The pink kept bleeding through. And don't you believe it

(43:31):
or not. You know who restored the house back to
its pinkness. You know that singer Inglebird Humperdink. Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, Inglebird Humperdink. We spell like I want to say,
like a million dollars restored it, made it off pink
the way she had it. Oh wow, and then he
sold it like in two thousands, I can't remember. There

(43:54):
was a next door to her. Tony Curtis had his
estate and Ingle Humper Dink had headed up. It didn't
sell and then finally sells it to this company who
owned and they told Hill, no, we're just we're gonna
keep it. We're gonna they bulled those to extend the
real Yeah, after everything they they they got, they they

(44:16):
they raised it, you know, because it was built the
original house was built like in nineteen forty something. But yeah,
he says that he was he had thought that they
were going to keep it when he sold it, and
know they they wow. Yeah, but yeah, but things like that.
Now she was supposedly haunting the place for a while.

(44:37):
They were saying, oh, well, then.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
That would be a good reason the bull dozed it down.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Well no, they were saying that. They said one of
the families ended up coming and having the house blessed. Okay,
we don't know, but I think it really why they
did it was it's called the location. Location location. Probably
the land that it was on was worth more money
okay with nothing on it, or to build something else

(45:03):
at the end of the day. What is it follow
the money, that kind of deal.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
But yes, now let me ask you something if you
and I've been curious about this. If let's say that
thing about the property. Let's say somebody did something against
the people that live there, and they put something in
their yard or against the house or something. You don't
know anything about it. You bought this house and you
have no idea what was going on with the old owner.

(45:30):
Will that affect you even though you had nothing to
do with it, just because? Yes, okay, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
In fact, I just gave a lecture someday about demons,
and you know part of my lecture is, you know,
demons come through either intentional or unintentional invitations or the other.
You know, exception is the demon was already in the dwelling,

(45:56):
okay when you moved in.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
So the same thing apply to other entities, of course, Yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
So somebody if somebody though, did something, let's say, wanted
to curse the family that was there, the prior owners right,
buried something in the yard, it did something the new
owners have no idea, maybe and they had nothing like
in other words, they were not an offending party. That
curse is going to affect whoever happens to live there.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Now, you know a lot of metaphysical practitioners, especially the
ones that are fakes. Okay, they will say, oh, you
know you can do this, but if you state the
person's name who you're cursing, it won't affect anybody else.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
That's like saying, if.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Your target drinks drinks bleach, the target will die, but
if the other person drinks the black it won't affect them.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Okay, that's that's below me.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Okay, if you're associated with a cursed object, you're gonna
get cursed and of subject.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Right, even if you weren't the original target. Yeah, but you.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Can't say, okay, this bleach is only going to affect
Jane Doe if she drinks it, but if John Doe
drinks it, it's not gonna affect them.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Boloney, Yes, right right. So in other words, people need
to be aware if let me ask you, are there
certain signs that people should be aware of. Let's say,
like what you were saying, like what you were talking
about that all of a sudden, you guys got that
that piece of stone from from nine eleven, and all

(47:48):
of a sudden, everybody's fighting with each other and you realize,
holy crap, it's this. It is it stuff like that
when people start behaving the ways they normally wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
And the other other thing is people will And I've
gotten a lot of friends, call me a lot of clients,
you know, ever since I brought this doll you know,
out at the garage sale or the antiques store. Ever
since I got this pot. You know, I've just had
a bad feeling. Well, get rid.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Of it, Okay, you know what I'm saying, don't complain
or they think another way is they think it's their imagination. Yeah, sure,
and that's that's a big problem.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Then we've got the problem that once it's in the house, screwed.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Because it's just an encasement. Right.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
So let's say if I had a bad demon in
this pillow, burn this pillow.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Okay, I's going to go to this pillow.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Oh wow, this pillow.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Isn't gonna do it. Dog. One thing.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
So I always say that, you know, when whenever you
do any type of eradication, never never, never verbalize your
plans ever, because they can hear you, you know what,
exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
It's always got to be a surprise attack, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
So let me ask you, and I know some people
ask about this. Are you better burying it? Are you
better burning it? Are you better throwing it away? How
do you get rid of something like that?

Speaker 3 (49:31):
I mean, it depends on on what is My big
big thing is take it outside and spray it with ammonia.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
You know, the agent.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Entities don't like ammonia, even good entities, they all stay
away from ammonia. So then then you know, spray it
with ammonia and are the best thing.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Another thing you can do is take the object and
put it in a freezer bag right and then for ammonia,
and close the freezer bag up right away, right and
bury it. You know, the best place to bury it
is in the cemetery. If it's a small object, very
very very very small, throw it in the river. But

(50:13):
we don't want to be polluting everything, right.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
But you do. And then because nowadays, I want to say,
once upon a time, people didn't care that much what
people did in cemeteries. But sometimes people lateately have been
up to no good in cemetery. So now they close
them at a certain time, and yeah, you know they're
you gotta be careful, they call the cop side.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Yeah. I always have tricks too, you know, like you know,
if I'm going to bury something in the cemetery, bring
my dog with.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Me, okay, all right, And then I have a bag,
and you know, people think I'm very very good. I'm
very conscientious because you're picking up the exactly you know
what I mean. So that's my number one trick. And
then the other trick I have is to bring flowers
that are not in a a call. Yeah, my little

(51:02):
hand shovel. So people think to, you know, to do things.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
So there's little tricks.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
You can do, like off exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yes, yes, yes, Now let me ask you. And I'm
telling you because especially when I was living down in Miami,
sometimes you would go to some cemeteries and I would
like go around and I'd see stuff thrown in there,
like in a sock, and it'd be like, I'm leaving
that alone. It's like what and I'm not talking. I'm
not talking a little. I'm not talking this. Yeah, you're
talking stuff like this. It'd be like, oh shit, okay,

(51:37):
I'm walking away. Bye.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Well you got a lot of santos and over there,
so you never what what advice do you give that
just walk away?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Leave alone?

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Leave it alone?

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yeah, okay, leave it alone, you know.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
And then I always tell people, you know, when you
go to a cemetery, no matter what, Vic's vapor rub
has camp for in it and can't it has it
has two jobs. It's a protection agent and it deters negativity.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
And I always say, you know, because let me just show you.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Spirits will attach themselves to the back of the head
or the back of the neck down to the base
you put the fixed vapor rub really there to protect yourself,
you know. And I don't know if you've ever seen
the Cuban people and you know the Santatos, but you
know when they leave a cemetery, as they're going to

(52:31):
the gates, they go like.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
This, right, I guess, okay, So that's like they're, you know,
chasing anything that may attack. You're not hitchhiking home with me,
exactly exactly. And then what I do, and it's so
funny because you're asking me questions for a luxure that
I gave sund there Saturday, And what I do is

(52:53):
I have a detached I mean an attached garage, right, okay,
And this is when even.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
If I go you know, to paranoral investigator, which I
don't do a lot of. Okay, but you know, if
someone's called me that they have a spirit in the house,
so they want me to do an eradication. Or if
you if I'm just visiting the cemetery, okay, I strip
in the garage of course, through roger doors closed. I strip,

(53:22):
you know, close naked, and then I spray myself completely
with a spray bottle with holy water, and I spray
the clothes and my shoes. Then I walk in with
the clothes, put it in the washing machine, turn it on.
Then I put the soap. Then I let some water
you know, through, and then I either put Agua Florida

(53:45):
in there water or I will mix sea salt, it
has to be sea salt with some and then put
that in there so that you're getting rid of any negatives.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Of the salt. Right.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
So, but if you're just using soap and water, you're
not getting in rid of the negative energies. You've got
to use. You've got to use something, you know, another agent,
a spiritual agent.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
So those are the things that that I do.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Okay, all right, because you always have the ones that
want to come home with you and keep your company.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Like you said, the hitchhikers, the.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
hGe hikers, right, exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
The other thing too is if you ever find some
coins at cemeteries, don't pick them up alone. Somebody's offered
that to the deceased person. It becomes their property, right.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
So you got to right right that that's like like
like like leave it there that kind of thing, you
know what? And sometimes uh, you know you do let
me ask you something. Do do they ever do work
where they leave the dead person there? Like like in
other words, like like they they've done something they shouldn't

(54:55):
and they want to leave something that's evil, like they
leave it there, you know what I'm saying inside the
seminary grounds.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
So you're asking me if the person if.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Let's say, like like you go in there not thinking
you know, you're thinking, okay, all this this is just
regular dead people, like the people that were buried there, right.
But let's say if somebody a practitioner or something went
in there and they left maybe a spell or something
negative and they just want to leave it there, dump
it there? Is that what you got to worry about

(55:26):
that that whatever was negative that was left there in
the cemetery grounds, is that one might have become attached
to you?

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Okay, I'm not Let's say, let's say.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
You go to a cemetery, right, like you said, you're
not thinking, you're thinking.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Over Jane, Jane, Doe is died, okay.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
And you're just you're going to the cemetery for whatever,
you know, nothing in particular. And yeah, of course there's
a cemetery dead people there. You're buried, but somebody has
gone in there on another occasion, benowns to you, okay,
and left maybe something negative there as far as whether
it's an entity or work or something that's just negative,

(56:05):
they left it on purpose there at the cemetery, right.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
They do that to get the assistance of the deceased person,
which okay, okay, it's called deployment of your spell work.
So you're doing you know how you deploy an army. Yes,
So what they're doing is they do the spell, right,
and then they take it to the cemetery and then

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a particular grave site. They'll ask the spirit to deploy
the spell, to carry on the spell. I understand now,
and then they you know, they get permission and that's
through feelings, okay, and then they leave it there or
they bury it.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
They can bury it, okay a little bit, but there's.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Always an offering also, so you know, if somebody came
to my grave, which I'm not going to die for
another twenty thousand.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Years, but you know, it's like I like I smoke.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
I'm a smoker, so they might light a cigarette and
leave a cigarette for me, you know, or you know,
leave it.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Always leave a dime, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
If I were an alcoholic, you'll see, or if I
like to drink, which you know, I like Coca cola.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
I'm a Coca Cola addict. So you get a.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Little cup, pour some Coca cola in the cup, leave
it there, but or some Coca cola over my gravestone.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Right right? Right?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Like that?

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Yeah, like right, something that was specific for you, right.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
So I mean, yeah, that's called deployment of a spell. Yeah,
and that happens in a lot of traditions.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Okay, okay, but again, now let's say me I walk in,
I have nothing to do. I have no idea that
you did that would I have to worry about or no,
that has nothing to do with me, and I don't
have to worry about anything. You don't take it as
long as you don't take it right, right.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
But I mean, you know, if it's a cursing object,
usually they won't leave it on top. They'll they'll bury
it a little bit. Okay.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
I mean, so sometimes you find weird stuff at some
of these cemeteries. Let me tell you, you know that, right, Like, yeah,
sometimes you find very unusual things.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Well, I know this one girl.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
I knew her years and years ago, and she found
an old gravesite from the early eighteen hundreds and it
was flooded and the coffin started coming to the top.
And I'll be a son of a good because because
coffin nails are very valuable in medical practices.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Okay, she was taking the nails up.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
I want to make some money on this.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
I am selling them for like one hundred, two hundred
dollars apiece, you know, huh. She was getting the money,
you know. Okay, So yeah, sometimes you can find weird things.
I hope that I don't ever want to see a
coffin floating to the top.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Yeh. Look, that's the problem in New Orleans. That that's
why they had to have all the cemeteries above ground
because they're so low. You know, if they bury it stuff,
they would it would come up.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Like no, Now we I wanted to talk to you
about your the new book that you've got coming out, Like,
let me see, let me put it up. It's it's
it's for October twenty fourth. It's available for traditional order.
Yeah yeah, let me let me. Let me go ahead

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and let me show the uh I wanted to hear.
Hold on this is yeah, these are all your books.
Hold on, but this last one? Is this one? Ready? Traditional?
Hohodo and conjure?

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Yes, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
And tell me about this book? What what? What is
this book?

Speaker 3 (59:50):
This book teaches the reader many, many, many ways of
performing spell work. Effectively, there's almost one hundred and thirty
spells in there. There's a bunch of rituals in there,
there's recipes in there, bad and all that. But who

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do has been so grossly misrepresented? And what I've done
is I've taken the reader all the way back to
the Atlantic slave trade from the sixteen hundreds, ok and
we follow the slaves to the United State, which was
British America back then to the you know where we

(01:00:34):
are today United States and throughout the America. So we
followed all these slaves, right, and then I explain who
do as it developed in the in the here, okay,
how it developed and what it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Is okay, and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Everything that you want to know why you do a
spell work. This way we talk.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
I talk about sound, how the sound is in spell work.
I talk about ancestral worship, the right way to do it,
and it's not complicated, but I have yet to see
anybody really explain it in detail and simplified, right. And

(01:01:24):
then I talk about the ways to become a formidable spellcaster.
And you know again I mentioned sound and sound is
very important. I talk about the importance of energy output.
I teach you how to do it right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Right. And but this is along the time that we
were talking about that they tried to merge with. Well,
in that time period, a lot of the Americas and
the Caribbean was Catholic, right, right, This is when they
merged with what the Catholic images, right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
So what what the Africans brought those Africans the most,
the least prevalent religion.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Was Catholicism, Okay. The second was Islam. Okay, that's where
you get the Black Moors.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Okay, those are the people that we get the talismans
from because the Black Moors were experts. But the most
prevalent religion that they had were African magical religions.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Instance, when they brought people from to Haiti. Okay, that
original African religion in Africa was called va doom.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
The word it became it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Became voodoo in in Haiti. But I also teach you
in the book the different voodoos. Because voodoo v o
d o u is practiced in Haiti, the oo d
oo is practiced in New Orleans, Louisiana. The u du

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you know, as we know in Spanish, would be pronounced
to voodoo, right, that is practice in Cuba and other
let you know, Latin Caribean countries.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
So when you know and then like what they did,
like for instance in Cuba is and this is what we.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Were talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
So the slavers were trying to hide their true religions
and they would synchronize, syncretize their a risha's, their their
dieties or deities with the Catholic saints. Right, so our
Lady of Charity there, you know, she becomes oshown, uh

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Saint Barbara is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
And so on and so forth.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Right, so now as time, you know, then that religion
now evolves into a religion called Santia. Okay, and the
same with with Haiti. Haiti has voodoo, has a lot
of Catholicism. And then what people don't understand, and this

(01:04:33):
is what cracks me up is I get a lot
of negative feedback on Amazon that her.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Hoodu books are too Christian. Well, it's like that was because.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
What was in Haiti, it was the French, and the
French were Catholics.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Here in the United States, what did you have.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
You had Catholic slavers, you had Baptist slavers.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Depending on what part of the that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Christian, Okay, Christianity got syncretized into the tradition of who
do who do? Hood alway is not a religion. Voodoo
is a religion. Son that he is a religion. Pollow
is a religion.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
But you know, when these Africans came over, starting in
the sixteen hundreds, okay, they gave birth to a bunch
of different religions and traditions. You've got obia, you've got voodoo,

(01:05:40):
you've got condoble in Brazil, thank you you got Colombian
yu ju, Colombian juju, you've got Pollo abaquata. I mean
it goes on and on and on and on and on.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
How many relige, religions and traditions were birthed from the
African slaves and their African traditional religious So, I mean,
it isn't like you're reading a dissertation here. I just
briefly covered this in chapter one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Right, this is uh. And of course I imagine when
they arrived in certain areas and they were their X
amount of years, they kind of did their own they adapted,
you know, their own version. That's what you're saying. Some
countries it spelled a certain way right right now, let
me ask you what, like you were saying, who do
is a tradition? What is the difference between let's say,

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who do practice practice versus versus let's say voodoo.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Whodu is an African diaspora religion, okay, who is an
African diaspora tradition also known as folklore Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
So whodo has a lot of other because as time
of all, which you just mentioned as time evolves right right,
So now it's got these different.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Practices incorporated into it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
So when some slavers were or slaves were I'm sorry,
some slavers were Jewish. Okay, their practice wasn't the strict
Judaism that you find in in the synagogues.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Okay. Synagogues basically is what.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Developed to to make the religion more rigid.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
When these Sephardic Jews first came over here, they were
practicing magic, they were practicing Kabbalah, right, right, yes, So
then you've got you know, the the slavers that were Jewish,
you know, their slaves incorporated you know, Jewish mysticism induuu,

(01:07:57):
the ones that were enslaved by Native and yeah, Native
Americans not only were slaves, but they also enslaved. Okay,
so we know the Native Americans have a lot of
magical practices, right, that's incorporated into Hudu for the slaves
that were captured by the or sold to the Native Americans.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Okay, go on and so forth.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
So you've got a lot of European magic because you
know what were most also exactly and you've got Asian.
So how did the Asian happen? The Asian happened when
the some of the slaves were sent to work on
the railways, and what they did the slavers, they would

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there were there were Chinese people working in Cuba on
the railway, Okay, so what they did is they brought
them over to work on the railways here. And when
they worked with the slaves or the slaves, the black
slaves or the or the slave that were just newly freed, they.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Talked about mysticisms. So you have Asian magic incorporated into
who Doo too. So it just depends on what part
of the United States, right, That's why who.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
One reason who Doo is not a religion is because
there's diversity depending on what state there is, right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
But nevertheless, the roots are African, right. And in this book,
you know, I teach.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
You what the Africans have taught us. You know, how
to do ancestral worship properly, how to pray to certain
entities properly. I even teach people. You know, people don't
know that saints. For instance, I can't pray to a
or I can pray to a saint. I pray to

(01:09:52):
a saint. That saint doesn't have the power.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
To grant my wish. Okay, that I pray to doesn't
have the power to grant my wish. The Saints are intercessors.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
So what I.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Do is, first I tell you the lawyer client. I
tell you the lawyer client interaction, very very you know.
So you know, I tell you you don't go to
a real estate lawyer for a malpractice suit. Right, study

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the Saints, and you study what their patronage is, right
and what they go through, and then you know, then
you go to the lawyer, right, and you give a
retainer fee, and then the lawyer goes to the judge
right and pleads the case, and the judge either says
yes or no. The judge says yes and grants you it.

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Then you pay the rest of the money to the lawyer.
Same thing with the Saints. Right, So you've got your
retainer fee. He there's a candle, right, here's a glass
of water. Then you pray, you pray to pray. Then
the saint goes to God the judge right, and if

(01:11:13):
God says yes, then the Saint is able to help you.
And then you pay off the rest of that payment,
which be whatever you promise that saint p saint that
you were going to give money to their a church
named after them, you know, like whatever, yeah, whatever the
whatever you're like like Baba Luaya, Saint Lazarus. You know
it's I promise to help the homeless. If I see

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homeless people, I will give them money.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
You know what I mean? You know, one of his patroness.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
So that's the way I make it very very easy
for anybody to understand.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
But the difference is I what is it?

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Imagine the bigger the problem, the more you got to
like come through as far as But so let me
ask you now and then I'm curious because of the
age of the internet, if somebody contacted you now for help,
they don't you don't. They don't have to be living
in your eric. Can you help them?

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
It depends on what it is. Okay, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
The one thing that I tell people over and over
and over is spiritual eradications.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
And cleansing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
You know, I'd say, you've got a lot of negativity
and you need to do cleansing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
The reason I wrote my other book, Who Do Cleansing
and Protection Magic is to teach people how to do
it themselves without getting ripped off thousands of dollars Because
I cleanse you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
I'm okay, you're in Florida, what the hell can I
do for you? If you've got if you've got an
entity in the house. I'm in Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
You know what I'm saying, Can I help you?

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
There are certain things I can't do, you know what
I mean. There's certain things I can do, but there's
certain things I can't do. And you know, a lot
of times these things need one on one, you know,
a spiritual cleansing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
I'd have to do that in person.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
And the reason why I asked you this is also
is like, let's say somebody comes to you and gives
you their version of the situation, which sometimes is not
the actual truth.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Sometimes that happens very frequently.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Okay, so they might tell you, hey, I need help
for whatever, and of course you're you're getting fed the
version of you know, it's how do you ever when
they're talking to you or and I'm here, I'm I'm
assuming something that you could help them with long distance
or whatever, you know, not like what you said. Do

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you ever get a feeling like you're lying? I mean,
or how do you I mean? It's like or you're
not being exactly, You're not telling me the entire scenario exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
So here's where I cover my ass, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
So I always do a reading first, but sometimes the
clients fool me, okay, And sometimes it happens, I would say,
in twenty percent of the case where not that the
reading's inaccurate, but I've convinced myself that the reading's wrong
or I misunderstood Spirit, right, So because the person is

(01:14:19):
so convincing, okay, So if I go ahead and do
the work.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
This is what I always do.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
And you know, I had a case where I've had
a few cases right where they want me to do
breakup work.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Okay, look up Joe and Jane John and Doe and
Jane Doe.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
I always tell Spirit what the story is, and then
I say, only if it's justified. And I'm telling you
what really happened, right, I cover my ass.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
I cover my ass each and every time, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
And the reason I do is because one, you know,
one time before before I wasn't covering my ass, okay,
And one time I caused this man to have a
heart attack. And this was whoa forty years ago, forty
five years ago okay, and it turned out he was.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Completely innocent, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
And I you know what, to this day, I still
I still am very upset me he didn't die, but yeah,
I've got to change my ways.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
I got to do something. So I learned how to
cover my ass.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Can you imagine you find that after the fact, like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Man, yep, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Let me ask you now, in a case like this,
if let's say you get somebody that comes and gives
you this whole spiel, this person that is and none me,
me help me, and I'm the victim, and they do something,
does any of that stuff, especially when I'm talking not
justified it, I guess any of that bounced back on them.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
So if they were to perform the spell themselves, okay,
all right, and they're not protected yet, if they performed
the spell and the spell wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Justified, yes, it'll bounce back. Okay, if they're.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Justified, no, but right right now I'm talking here where
they're not justified. They're just wanting to get their way
no matter.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
What, it'll bounce back. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
Yeah, yeah, Because the reason why I asked is I
know there's personalities that they want to have things their
way no matter what. Yep, no matter what.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Yeah, I had a client that befriended me and told
me all this crap, and you know, I believed it, right,
And I was doing spell after spell after spell to
break these people up, and nothing was working and you're nothing, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
And then I started to all these spells for free.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
Okay, I must have done thousands of dollars of free
spells for her. Befriended me and nothing was working, and
she was going then to other people.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Nothing was working.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
And then I caught her in a lie and she
had said that they were very you know, they had
been exclusive and all this other stuff. You know, it
never even been to her house ever. All right, you
were exclusive, but he's never been to your house. She
would drive to another state to go see him.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
That's not exclusive. Okay, I'm sorry, that's not exclusive.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
And then I started, you know, there were other little
things that bothered me, and then I figured out, you
know what, she's just casing out this rich guy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
That's all it is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Well, that's obsessed, you know that kind.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Of like, yeah, so that's why you know my spells
didn't work.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Because I kept saying, if the client's telling me the
truth and if the spell is justified, you know what
I mean, right, And so if you want to curse
somebody and they've really, really really done you wrong, and
I you know, I recommend going to God and Psalm

(01:18:20):
one zero nine, okay, is a cursing psalms in the Bible.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
And what you do is you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Say the prayer and before you say Amen, you tell
God what happened and ask God, ask God to take
care of the situation.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
So that's the easiest way, you know what I mean.
But you don't do it once. You do it nine
days as a novena, you know what I mean, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
In other words, and in other words, let it unfold, however.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Yeah, let God handle it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
If anything happens that person, let's just say, hypothetically.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Andy Garcia raped me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Okay, Yeah, all right, sure, I know I know about you,
and and.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
I can I can, okay, So let's just say hypothetically
I was great, Okay. So then I go to God
and I pray Psalm one zero nine every day for
nine days, and you can pray it more than once
a day. You know, you'll light an Ovini candle, which
is a glass in case candle for nine days, and
you tell God, you know, so and so raped me,

(01:19:37):
and this and that, and that happened, and let's just
say something hap terrible happens to him.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Okay, it's not on me, right, you know, I mean,
God did it? You know what I'm saying. So I'm
reading clear and free. If I'm lying and he didn't
rape me, then nothing's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
To him, right. Yeah. It was like, okay, no matter
what you think in your head with the actuality, but.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
It's in actual truth. Okay, if I ever met Andy Garcia,
it would be me that's raping him.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Just that's it, right, Okay, Andy, be careful, Andy, be
careful when you go up to Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Oh he's hot, baby, I love.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Let me tell you something. You know, when he's one
of these actors that's aged very well. You know, there's
some actors that are really hot when you're young, but
when they're older, they're like, oh no, no, no, but no,
he's aged very very well.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
I think he looks better now, I really, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
He's aged very well. And day he's trying to make
some more movies, because there was a time that he
had stopped making movies and now he's coming back. I've
been seeing him and more things. Oh wow, yeah, which
is the way he walks.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
I love the way he carries himself. I love everything
about him.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Yes, I can tell yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's like
he's got he's got a very and he's got That's
another thing. He's been doing movies for so long. Because
you know that some some actors they have this maybe
five maybe ten years that they're hot and then that's it, right,
never again. But he's been doing stuff for a long time,
years and years and years. That's what I'm saying. He's

(01:21:13):
aged very well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
So I know that you told me that you weren't
thinking about doing another book, so that I was going
to ask you another book, but you're telling me that
you just you just came off of this one.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Yeah, I'm thinking about doing a well I'm starting to
work on it, and now I'm going to do a
love spell book book in the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Oh oh yeah. See that's the I want to say.
That's the other area that people are always caught up
on is like there's somebody, but.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
I'm going to do it in the.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Who Doo, Santeria and Cuban Brua traditions. Okay, all right,
that way nobody can copy me because you know, a
lot of the stuff comes from my tea and from
my mother, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
And it's like, good luck trying to beat me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
To that, because I want to say that God, that's
got to be the Let me ask you something. How
about people calling you up for business stuff? Yeah, I
imagine that nowadays people because I know, for example, in
certain Asian countries, they're big. They they I mean, look

(01:22:18):
at fannc Shuai for the love of Mike, they're very
much as far as their business is concerned. They you know,
you even walk now, by God, you walk into a
nail salon, yeah, and you know that they have their
the whether they're Buddhists or whatever. You know, they have
everything set up there at the entrance to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Their Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
But I know that it's you know that the business
is the big thing, like we want to make sure
that the negativity stays out or that the business flourishes.
Do you have people to contact you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
For There's a lot of spells for that, yes, yes, yeah,
I mean a lot of Like especially in Florida, you'll
see a legois at the door of a business, you
know what I mean, because that's a business path you
know the bad you know, where he handles business. But
there's a lot of hoodoo spells, you know, to get
rid of negativity and bring in better business. You know,

(01:23:15):
things you can even put on the walkway. Yeah, there's
a kind of a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
The reason why I say this is, let's face it,
where there's money, there's always competition, people wanting you not
to do well because competitor, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
For Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely at they're like, hey, so
you can help people out with that, right, yeah somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Yeah, Because I'm telling you, everybody thinks that business is
just numbers or whatever. There's I think there's a metaphysical
aspect to it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
The thing I don't like, you know, I don't like
doing anything to do with the law, you know what
I mean. And I don't know why or how this happened. Okay,
if you ever said any things, you know, I don't
like to do lost stuff because I don't under stand
the law, you know what I mean. I don't think
I can perform a spell properly because.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
I'm not familiar with the law. But you know, I'll
tell them do this, do that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
But I keep getting people calling me about international law and.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
It's like, you know, I must have had so far
fifty different people.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
Really, you know, well, what are the legal statues in
in one of them was Thailand?

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
How the hell would I know?

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Right right? Like, yeah, there would be totally different. Yeah,
of course, you know, call.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
This place, call that place. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
I mean, I'm now I'm giving legal advice, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
You know, come on here, I'm not a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
You know, and right, and the truth is all these
countries sometimes have radically different laws.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
No, I know, it's like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
You know, but even in the States, you know, I'll
get real estate questions. You know, it's like, well, you know,
what do I do about this attorney?

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Did that attorney? It's like, I don't know. I'm not
an attorney.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Okay, no, no, let me ask you something. Do you
ever get people that they're going to go to quarter
or they've got something I don't know, whether whether it's
at the divorce or traffic or something whatever, that they're like, hey,
help me out that this goes my way a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
And this depends on what it is, you know what
I mean. And because you know, that's where they really
start lying to you, you know, what I'm saying, they
lie through their teeth. In fact, I had a girl.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
I'll give you an example.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
I got a bill two weeks ago and she said,
I live near you. Well, I live in Michigan, Okay,
I used to live in Florida, right. He says, you know,
I don't have any food at all, and I've got
these children. And I was at Walmart and I got

(01:26:02):
arrested for petty theft and I was just trying to
steal some food from my children because I don't have
any money right now, but money's coming in, right, And
I felt really bad, and I was like, where do
you live? Because she said I live near you, right,

(01:26:22):
And I was all prepared to bring her a bunch
of groceries.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Because it just right, Yeah, I know you're think of children.
Of course, of course that that that right there is
a deal breaker.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Let me look her up, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
So I looked her up, and she's in Florida, living
next clear close to where I used to live. But
she's been arrested several times for patty theft.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
And you know what, I bet you you know what
I want to say. You're probably not the only people
probably that have sent her money or sent her because
they're thinking, oh my god, there's this poor woman with
nothing to eat and children with nothing to eat.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Yeah, yeah, so that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
No one dies. She even have children, I know that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
So then she.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
Sends me an email the following day and tells me
I lived in the same place that I found her.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
And she says, and these are.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
My children, and this is my boyfriend, and these are
all my dogs and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Cats, and that is wait a minute, hold it, hold it,
ye Honest to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
God, I was like, and everybody's smiling happy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
It's like and everybody then nobody's there like yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
So then I had one in India and this was
many years ago. That woman really upset me. So she
was sent to me by somebody that they used to
have like a pro bono thing, and she sends me
and this lady is like, you know, my husband's.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Business blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Right, so you know, I went to Babba Luaye to
help her, okay, And she got ten thousand dollars whatever
that money was converted to ten thousand dollars in right money, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Anyway, so she proceeds.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
To blow all that money okay, but sends me a
picture thanking me of her and her husband.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
And she's pouring in diamonds. He's got the silk got her.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
It's like, wait a minute, her.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Baby finger has got more money in it than I
do in my account. Okay, and now she's asking for
more spelf. What happened to ten thousand dollars? Yeah, well
you need to go to him again. I don't need
to do anything, okay, Right, in my opinion, I lie

(01:29:10):
to baby.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
You're telling me something that's not quite accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Yeah, exactly, she was loaded loaded.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
You know. The thing is that in her world it
was never enough. It would never be enough. That's the
problem with people like that, you know, and there and
they're wants are always come before everybody else's. And you know,
what's incredible that sometimes it's so easy for people like
that to lie, like boldfaced lie and say that, say
stories like that that you're like, how could somebody make

(01:29:42):
such a big lie like that? And now it comes
very easily to them.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
It's just amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
So, you know, I always talk about being careful with
metaphysical practitioners scamming you sure, because there's so many out
there with the internet age, but yes, the legit of them,
and ones have to be careful of people scamming us.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
The other way around, exactly, it goes in the other direction. Sure, sure,
I believe it. I believe it, but you know what
to be And this is I'm gonna say this based
on my own prior experience. There's, honestly for people to
go hunger in this country. There's there's so many places
that will give you food and help. Yeah, either government

(01:30:26):
or churches or local or everywhere you go.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Think of that, I may just immediately panic.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
Yeah, of course because to me, somebody tells me, you know,
somebody tells me about Let me tell you when I
whenever I see people like with a with a sign,
like a woman and she's got a baby carriage or
two kids, that to me is like what lady, I
feel bad for you, but you've got two little kids?
That to me is the worst part, you know. And uh,

(01:30:56):
and I think that happens to everybody that you're like,
wait a mint it. You know, that's a horrible thing.
And I know that's an American thing, Like of anybody
going hungry, that's like, I know, I know, you know,
you don't want to wanna that that like that that
you don't do anything about it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
But just the email, I mean it, just the original email.
It was so believable.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
And then you met and then you met the whole
family and you're like, wait a minute, and.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Had some dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
I was like, wait a minute here, Yeah, nobody's here
is hurt. The only one that's hurting his meat here.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
I was prepared, you know, to go to Walmart and you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Know what, and yeah, especially to her, you know, and
you know, and that's the thing. I bet you that
that had worked for a lot of other people.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Yeah, I guarantee, I mean I won't give money because
I don't trust people.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
No. No, Well, now they're having to have you heard
about now with all these AI deep fakes, that they're
being able to imitate certain voices, and they'll have who
calling up and saying, oh, help me, you know somebody
obviously you know somebody is close to you, help me.
I need some money, send me. I'm like blah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Blah blah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
People are like, oh, of course it's so and so,
like a kid or your grandkid or somebody that of
course obviously that they you know, you're going to jump
through hoops to help them.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Yeah, yeah, I mean even I've had family members they
don't speak to me anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
But you know I need I need books for medical school. Okay,
oh huh, show me the names of the books and
I'll sell you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
I'll give me the money. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
You know the one time I had sent my cousin
three hundred dollars, and this was like thirty five forty
it was forty years ago. Okay, sent him three hundred
dollars and he took it three hundred dollars and bought
my other cousin a three hundred dollars bottle of perfume.

(01:32:55):
You know I wear John two. Okay, that ten dollars. Well,
back then it was five dollars. I just bought my
cousin a three hundred dollars bottle of perfume. Okay, I'm
a guy of He needed medical books.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
And you know what and what he didn't think you
were going to find out.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Especially I know that new policy. You need money for food,
I will bring you the food, right exactly, sell you
the food. You need books, I will buy you the books.
And it's how many people back down, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
It's like well, no, I can't do that, okay, but
then you know what they and you're lying to me.
That's what's going on here. But yeah, anyway, I want
to thank you so much. It's been wonderful to talk
to you, and it's been what a great conversation. And
let me tell you something that book I'm telling you
love Spells. Let me tell you that that definitely there's

(01:33:51):
always people. If it's not money, it's love or something
like that along those lines.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
When you're going to learn this is everybody's must have
traditional hudoing conjure.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
And like I said, it's up for pre order on
Amazon and it'll become available on the twenty fourth of
the October. Yes, for my podcast listeners, what is the website?
Where can they find you at?

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Okay, so it's miss Aida dot com. Okay, then you
can go to my Facebook because right now my website's down.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
Go Daddy's still working on it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Okay, okay, go to my facebook, Miss Aida Psychic Okay,
all right?

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
And I had talked to everybody there okay.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
And also also every three weeks I give free magical call,
I do a video and okay, couple of things for free.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
Okay, absolutely, that's great. That's fantastic. Again. I want to
thank you so much and we'll be talking soon.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Okay, okay, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Take care. Okay, bye bye. Oh she's great, let me
take it. She knows her stuff, really doesn't know her stuff.
And that's why I asked her, because she had just
finished doing that book and she's saying, oh, I don't
know if I want to do another book, and that's
why I asked her. I said, let me ask her
because she I think she's like seven or eight books
out something like that. And because you know when you

(01:35:18):
and this is the thing. You know, she's when you
know your house, this you if you listen to her story,
she's been She's knowledgeable, she's got a background in this.
She knows the how's this. It's not like, oh, I
went and I bought three books and I read them
and now I'm I'm a practitioner whatever fill in the blank. No,

(01:35:39):
she she she knows her stuff. And uh and I
laughed because you know those stories that that she talks
about cbous. See, that's the thing about the advent of
the internet once upon a time, not only in this
but in everything. You know, everything had to be face
to face. Even if somebody calm, I did you on

(01:36:00):
the phone? You know, whatever you wanted to do, it
would end up having to be a face to face
So which makes it a lot more difficult to scam
somebody or fool them or lie to them. But now
with the internet, you know, like that that this she
was telling about, this poor lady's contacting her and telling
her she and her kids are going hungry, and then
she comes to find out the boyfriend the pets. It's like, okay,

(01:36:24):
you're not starving, that kind of deal. So yeah, it
makes it a lot more difficult to you know, to
to I don't know, to be accurate. How's that? And
like she said, and a lot of the stuff, it's
like come on, I mean, if I'm in another state,

(01:36:44):
your best bet though, is to get the book and
read it. All right. As far as for clarification, you
know what it sounds like she would probably like, let's
say you're gonna do something, but you really didn't. You know,
you talk to her and you consult with her, like
what should I do? Like how should I do this?
If I'm want to do it myself? Like a diy

(01:37:05):
thing like how it tell me what I should or
should not do, you know, like before you put your
your foot in it, especially if you don't have practice
and whatever. It is that yeah, but yeah, a lot
of the uh. And the reason why I said that
thing about the uh the love because I was going
to say, you know what, those are the things that

(01:37:26):
makes everybody pay attention. How's that the love thing? Obviously
that that goes without saying, you know, the love where
there's just a fight or not. And I hate that.
That's why I asked her, because I'm sure that there's
people that, let's call them what they are. They're stalkers.
They're stalkers. They become obsessed with a certain person and

(01:37:48):
either one of the relationship was imaginary to begin with,
like nothing ever came of it, or it was a
relationship one of the persons said, hey, you know, I
don't want to be with you anymore. Sorry, but not
interested anymore. They away. They might have taken up with somebody,
but this other person behind there is like nah. And
by the way, I guess my point is that the
originating party, one that wanted to walk away, didn't do

(01:38:10):
anything wrong. They didn't do anything wrong. But everybody's entitled
to say, hey, I don't want to be with you
anymore for whatever reason, I just fell out of love,
never really actually fell in love to begin with, or whatever.
They just went out and they you know this, people
become fixated and they want that person no matter what.

(01:38:34):
In other words, the part where you think, Okay, I'm
in love with this person, I want to be with
this person, but you want that person to feel the
same way about you, that ingredient is gone from their recipe.
They're like, I want that person even if that person
may not really feel about me the same way. Okay,
So you go to a you know, and of course

(01:38:55):
maybe you tell her a version of your version of
how this person should come back to you, or they
just in other words, sometimes in other words, if you
listen sometimes to these breakup stories. Don't get me wrong,
I understand when there's always a person that's hurt, but

(01:39:16):
the breakup doesn't ever mean that it was that other
person was a bad person. They just didn't want to
be with you anymore. But when you get that personality,
which is I want this person back no matter what,
all right, that's when you run into problems that they will,
of course, you know, and they're not Haw's this. I'm sure.

(01:39:36):
I'm sure that there's practitioners out there that they don't care. Hey,
you want to you want you want that person back,
no matter what, and that person really didn't do anything,
didn't wrong you, but did all right, we'll do it.
But you know, let's say you run across someone like
her who she's listening to this story, and she's like,
m you know, you're trying to like basically strong arm

(01:39:57):
this person into being with you no matter what. And
you might be even willing to try to break up
the relationship, or you just you're just mad like another
you know that that Stocker mentality. We can't be with me,
you can't be with anybody. You'll be mine. There's people
out there that that's that's the way they're their wheelhouse works,
all right, They can't they become fixated, just like that

(01:40:20):
one that she was talking about, that this she finds
out after the fact that this person I'd made up
this whole story about the relationship and the guy and
all this stuff. Right, there's people that are like that.
And then the other same thing. How's this business or
money or anything, you know, you think. Well, you know,

(01:40:41):
people that come are like, hey, you know this person
did me wrong. Let's say whether it's a business venture
or a money thing or whatever. You know what, there's
people that they don't. In other words, I just want
to triumph, even if I'm the one that's really the
wrong doer. I don't by hook or by crook. I'm

(01:41:02):
gonna get what I want. That's why I asked her
that question about things coming back and bouncing back on
people when what they're trying to do is like, Okay,
you're being greedy, you're being a greedy sob, or you're
being a psychopathic person.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
In other words, the fairness of the situation never comes
into play. They might understand I know I'm wrong about this,
like this whole scenario, but I don't care as long
as I get that outcome that I want. You know
that Macavelian. You know, the ends justify the means as
long as I get what I want, which, by the way,

(01:41:41):
lands a lot of people in hot water when it
comes to occult methods, especially when she was describing when
people do the DIY, the DIY version of the scenario
where they think I'm going to fix his or her
wagon whatever, you know, whatever the case might be, love, revenge, money, business,

(01:42:04):
and they get in over their heads. They get in
over their heads. And like I say, sometimes you have
what they call the you know, the beginner's luck. Well
you can call it beginner's luck or unluck because they
actually get something to happen. And she was explaining they
don't know how to protect themselves or it bounces back

(01:42:27):
on their butts. Next thing you know, they're up to
their ear lobes in a very dark scenario because they
were motivated by the wrong reasons. They did it the
wrong way, they invoked what they shouldn't have invoked, and
then it's all downhill from there. It's all downhill from there.
It is. And yeah, and also I'm going to say,

(01:42:50):
and I think this happens to every I mean, this
is kind of a little bit the human condition. You know,
Like let's say, let's use that scenario of the breakup,
all right, you know, the person that want wants to
be you know, because there's people that you know, sometimes
people break up and it's amicable. It's like, yeah, this
is overa or whatever. You know, it's amicable. But just

(01:43:10):
let's say let's go with the thing where there's the
one person that wanted didn't want this to be over.
And when you're hot and angry, you know, you think
means stuff. You know, that's it. As the time goes by,
everything you know, you gotta come to terms with it, right.

(01:43:30):
But there's people that don't ever get there. They're burning hot,
they're steaming months sometimes even years later, all right, and
they don't let things go. And those are the ones
that sometimes they if they're if they can't, how's this
If they can't persuade a person, let's let's let's let's

(01:43:52):
go with the stocker scenario. They they might even get
to the point where they get it like an injunction,
like a stay away order or something. So what's an
expects thing? Do something on the metaphysical plane? You know,
I can't get near you or text you or email
you because I'm going to get arrested for it. Okay,
where do I fall back? What's my fallback? Because I'm

(01:44:14):
not going to go away. I'm not going to let you.
I'm not going to let you live your life happily
are after, especially if that person is now with maybe somebody,
you know, somebody else in their relationship, right, so they
fall back on the metaphysical because I'm going to have
a last word, and that's why I'm saying. And unfortunately,
a lot of times this starts going into the dark

(01:44:36):
areas where you especially if there's a flavor of mental
illness about this person. I want to say that sometimes
what they conjure or what they bring about because they're
so obsessed with this is not good. It's very dark
and it it really sucked them into like a very

(01:44:57):
bad situation, all right, because of that type of personality.
And then you know, sometimes some of these scenarios end
up pretty you know, pretty ugly, you know, with the
I mean you hear about people sometimes like hey, I
had to like move away because I had this person
that was, uh continuously following me around or showing up

(01:45:19):
where I was at, or I was realizing you think, okay,
how does how does that work? And that guy I
think everybody knows about if they haven't had a first
time experience, because one thing is how's this You break up?
And let's say the person I didn't want to break
up might call you a couple of times, hey, how
are you doing? You know, you could tell But then

(01:45:39):
after a while they kind of get the message like, hey,
I'm not coming back, you know, not interested in making up.
They go on their way. Then night, I'd be happy
about it, but they go away. It's the ones that
persist and persist and persist, and as a matter of fact,
it's more time goes by, they become more and more
and more and more and more insistent, all right, And

(01:46:01):
then of course maybe you get to the point that
at some point, maybe if you call it police or
anything like that, and they're issued basically an injunction saying, hey,
you cannot come to this person's house or their job,
or email them or text them, because of course nowadays
you can do all that. So a lot of times

(01:46:22):
they will turn into turn to something dark as far
as to get what they want, which is if this
person can't be with me, I don't want them to
be happy. I want them to be miserable. That's what
I want. And the personalities like that more than people think,

(01:46:44):
more than people think. And sometimes, by the way, these
are the people that they don't do it themselves, will
sometimes even go to practitioners and pay a lot of money,
especially if the person the practitioner is unethical. They kind
of pick on them like, man, I can ask you
to pay me anything you want, and you'll pay me
because you just so hell bent. I'm getting this person

(01:47:05):
to either come back to you or be miserable because
they're not with you, all right, Like, yeah, I'm gonna
teach you. I'm gonna show you that you know you
should have stayed with me, you should be with me,
you didn't want to, but that kind of there's there's
personalities like that, all right. So bottom line is, honestly,

(01:47:25):
and I'm talking, how's this, I don't think, I don't know.
This is just my personal view. I would never want
anybody and I'm talking here, let's say the love scenario.
I would never want somebody to be with me that
I didn't think wanted to be with me because they
wanted to be with me, not because I had put
some type of spell or or something, whether it worked

(01:47:47):
or not. That in other words, that that's the route
I had to take to get this person's I'd be like,
I don't want that. And this doesn't mean but it
would be like unless you're you're with me because of
your own free will. Because this is where you want
to be or I'd be like, no, I want the
legit stuff, you know, like I don't want the I

(01:48:08):
don't want something that that if you were left to
your own devices, you would not be you would not
want to be with me for whatever reason, for whatever reason,
for whatever reason. That kind of deal. Yeah, that that's
my own personal belief. And and you know what's really
funny sometimes that I've heard of this where people have

(01:48:32):
finally gotten that person to come to them and be
with them and and have the relationship they thought that
they wanted with this person. Turns out that that the
relationships ends up being more of a curse than a
good thing. Because sometimes people idealize, especially if they've if
this is somebody they really haven't been with, but they

(01:48:52):
just fall madly in love with them, and they idealize
what their life is going to be with this person
if I have that person, if I have that person,
my husband or my wife or whatever whatever. Boyfriend, girlfriend
louis will fill in the blank. And then once they
get them, then they find out, Huh, it's not what
they thought there was going to be. That person turns
out to be not what they thought they were gonna

(01:49:14):
get and sometimes that what's the word I'm looking for?
That all consuming like I want that person to be
mine all of a sudden, it's like becomes a trap.
How's that it becomes a trap? It's like you know
that that's saying about be careful what you wish for.
That that plays out a lot of times when you
force something that that really is not meant to be,

(01:49:37):
or you think you know the person, uh, and it
turns out that's not really who the person is. It's
like who you would like them to be. So yeah,
that that that that's that's backfired on people more than once.
All right, and uh and I've even heard in some
cases where people have done stuff like even to break

(01:50:01):
up relationships that they can have that one person, and
later on they come to like regret it because they're
like wow, you know. In other words, it's almost like
a bounce back kind of deal.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
You find out that this person wasn't worth all the
trouble and basically you might have even done a favor
for the person that the other person that got left out,
that got nudged out, you know, and they're like yeah,
all right later on because when things, like I said,
when things are hot and emotional. Everybody's mad, and everybody's
like when time goes by and you can look at
things a little bit more and emotionally, it's like, what

(01:50:38):
was I thinking? And the other person's like, thanks, wow,
it's weird. It's it's it's again. Anything that's forced, all right,
anything that's not meant to be, how's that? Somehow or
other In my experience, whether it's at the beginning, the middle,
or the end or by the end, something and goes

(01:51:00):
self on it, something goes sideways, something goes like that.
It's like, this was not meant to be and it
always was never meant to be, but because maybe you
forced it through hook or by crook, but that that
that raises its ugly head at some point. It might
be years down the road. It might be years down
the road, but yeah, that thing. It's like, oh, you know,

(01:51:25):
let's say, uh, let's say you have a neighbor. You
don't like the neighbor for whatever reason. You just don't
like the neighbor, You hate the neighbor, whatever, I don't care.
Maybe might might not even be a valid, a valid
thing against the neighbor. You just don't like the neighbor.
Maybe lady I don't know plays music. I don't know.

(01:51:46):
You just don't like that person, okay. Or maybe they
seem happy and you're an unhappy person and they seem happy.
Those people are so happy and I hate them and
they're smiling all the time. And h you do something
and you get them out of the neighborhood, out of
the house, they sell or they move away or whatever.
You're like, hah, yeah, see, I got my wish, I
got what I wanted. And the next year, sinkhole opens

(01:52:09):
up in your yard and that's it, okay, And here
you're left with a worthless piece of property because you
got a sinkhole in it. And good luck, I'm selling
that and hopefully you might have insurance that cover sinkholes.
And what you ended up you did the favor to
the person. Because of what you did, they moved away.
You know, maybe you did something to like get rid

(01:52:30):
of them, and basically you did them a favor because
if they would have stayed, maybe they would there. Let's
face it, the neighbor you got a sinkhole, next, nobody's
gonna want to buy that property. I might have a
sinkhole in the backyard too, So basically you end up
doing them a favor by getting them out of there,
and now you're the one that's with a worthless piece
of property because it's unsellable and who's gonna want it?

(01:52:53):
You see what I'm saying sometimes that that's a weird
way of these things working out. So when people try
to do things on a metaphysical plane where bounces back
on your ass big time. So anyway, guys, I hope
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(01:53:14):
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(01:53:38):
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(01:54:00):
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