Quantum Healing: Connor Wills' Revolutionary Approach to Mental Wellness

 In this transformative episode of Strive 365, we're honored to welcome Connor Wills, M.Ed, LPC, NCC, a guiding light in the field of mental health, known for his innovative approach that bridges the gap between quantum theory and psychotherapy. With nearly 15 years of experience, Connor has made it his life's mission to support teens, young adults, and their families through some of their most challenging times, using a holistic and empathetic approach that's rooted in both his personal journey and professional expertise.

Connor, a licensed holistic psychotherapist and a graduate professor of psychology and counseling, brings a unique blend of professional speaking and consulting skills to his work, impacting lives in residential treatment centers, school settings, and beyond. Today, he shares with us the foundation of Quantum Psychotherapy, an approach that seeks not only to treat but to transform by addressing the multifaceted challenges of emotional, behavioral, and substance use issues.

This episode delves deep into the core of Quantum Psychotherapy, exploring how it uniquely addresses the "why" behind behaviors without judgment, and emphasizes understanding over labeling. Connor opens up about his own transformational journey from navigating gang involvement and personal challenges to empowering others through his pioneering therapy. We'll uncover the tools and techniques that Quantum Psychotherapy employs, from leveraging the autonomic nervous system to integrating cold exposure, meditation, and breathwork, and how these practices facilitate healing and growth.

Connor's passion extends to integrating his interests in hiking, live music, and competitive paintballing into his therapeutic practices, providing a refreshing departure from conventional therapy. He also touches on the significant role Quantum Psychotherapy plays in educational settings, improving family dynamics, and navigating professional challenges in the mental health field.As we explore the future of mental health through the lens of quantum approaches, Connor offers personalized advice for listeners seeking growth and transformation.

For those intrigued by the potential of Quantum Psychotherapy to change lives, Connor outlines how to begin engaging with his services and the principles behind this revolutionary approach.Join us as we navigate the intersections of quantum theory, mental health, and holistic healing with Connor Wills, offering a new perspective on overcoming life's challenges and fostering profound personal growth. 

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome to another empowering episode of Strivethree sixty five, your go to source
for conquering life's challenges and thriving nomatter the odds. Whether you're seeking mental,
physical, emotional, or spiritual growth, We're here to help guide you
towards a better life. I amyour host, Justin Arnold, coming to
you from the amazing Rock Box Studio. Today. We're privilege of host Connor

(00:40):
Wills. I will not announce allhis mini titles, but they will be
in the nunes below as he hasa plentiful number of them. He's a
beacon of hope and healing in themental heal field. We are friends that
have known each other for a littlewhile now, and I knew I had
to have this guy on here.He has nearly fifteen years of experience.
He has dedicated his life to empoweringteens, young adults, their families to

(01:00):
overcome emotional, behavioral, and substancerelated challenges. He's a licensed holistic psychotherapist,
professional speaker and consultant, and Connor'sexpertise spans residential treatment centers, school
based counseling, and inpatient psychiatric settings. His approach deeply influenced by his personal
journey and professional dedication, aims tobuild trust and rapport with those he serves,

(01:25):
guiding them through their most trying yearswith compassion and understanding. Currently a
graduate professor of psychology and Counseling,Connor continues to impact lies beyond his clinical
work. So join us today aswe dive into Connor's holistic approach to mental
health, his journey in the field, and how he uses his passion to
connect with and inspire others towards greaterwell being and self awareness. So welcome,

(01:48):
Connor. I hope I got somethings there correct, But thanks for
coming on today. Thanks for makingthe time. M dud It's a pleasure.
I'm so glad we're doing this andjust thank you so much for me
for sure. Man, your energyis good, You're you're a very knowledgeable,
insightful dude. Obviously, hopefully peoplegot some stuff from there to know
what you're about, and I'm suresome people that are listening could benefit from

(02:12):
what you have to say. Socould you maybe start explaining the concept behind
Quantum Psychotherapy group and what inspired youto integrate quantum theory and psychotherapy and to
get it all started. Yeah,man, that's the question I get asked
like every day. I most ofthe people who are calling them, Well,
it's like, how do I usethis constantly? Let me think of

(02:35):
how to So long story short.You know, my wife, Erica,
my life partner, is also mypartner in business, and we launched Quantum
only two years ago actually, andwe when we were thinking about how to
do this from the ground up,the word that came to bias authenticity.
So it's like, you know,we're not here to project our own beliefs,
their own values, this kind ofthing. We meet the clients where

(02:55):
they're out of course, but howdo we take what's authentic for us,
what brought us to this field,what we find effective and helpful? And
I guess embody might be the word. How do we embody that? So
right down to every real plant wehave that I get to water each week,
carried the office, everything is authenticand felt in that way. So

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for us, life is about aholistic approach right mind, body, spirit,
whatever that means for you. Soif I'm just you know, doing
a lot of reading about the brainand the mind psychology, and it's great,
how's my body? I'm only goingto church or doing kind of spiritual
work, but I'm not taking careof my mental health. Something is the
miss right and moves off balance.So how do we find balance for those

(03:44):
things? So that's kind of theapproach how it started, and then very
encouraged by the research around quantum mechanics, quantum physics and how it relates to
the big questions who are we?Where are we going? Where do we
come from? Why do I allthe whyse So yeah, hard question to
answer, but I think that's whatcomes to mind as far as our approach

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and those that are new to likemaybe quantum mechanics and quantum physics, could
you explain maybe that and maybe peopleunderstand a little bit more or Sure,
there's so much there and there's newresearch coming out all the time. But
I think the most exciting thing forme about it, I can recommend a
documentary called What the Leap Down therabbit Hole? I'm not bleeping for your

(04:29):
audience. That's like the actual title, What the Bleep Down the rabbit Hole.
It's a great place to start,but essentially it looks at how everything
is made of particles. Right,this water bottle, my hand, Everything
is made up of these super sebatomic particles, tiny things. What quantum
physics is looking at is, well, how come these particles are not in

(04:51):
what's called superposition. It's not likethere's this concrete structure like this isn't just
one atom and just the way itis, it actually functions and function war
as ways. So in that there'spotential just as a human being. You
know, I may have a traumahistory, I may have certain extra factors
that are weighing on my life andmy piece, but I'm not in superposition.

(05:15):
That's not my story. I don'thave to live by that. How
do I manifest my life? Sortof speaking this way, So what quanta
physicis is looking at is what isthe core of everything? What is it
made of? Why is everything seeminglyconnected since the moment of the Big Bang.
There's so much we can go into, man, but to me,
it's all about just trying to understandwhat the connection between everything, including us

(05:39):
from ourselves. Okay, So,like your deep experience work with teens,
young adults, their families, howdoes quantum psychotherapy uniquely address like these multifaceted
challenges that you get of these individuals, you know, especially the things that
you know you talk about I've readabout from the emotional, the behavioral,
the substance is choose. That's agreat question, man, And you know

(06:03):
humans are so multi dimensional. Everycase is unique, and every kid is
unique and every I think trying tounderstand is a good place to start.
So if I have a client ora family situation going on, I really
want to understand, not just like, well, my kid is. There's
not a lot of the calls startright, parent calls in, Yeah,

(06:25):
my kid is ADHD and bipolar anddepression and they're failing and we have this
story, and I'm not invalidating whatit must be like to be a parent
in that situation, right, that'sthose things, sure, maybe, and
recognizing that understanding the why when wetalk about trauma therapy or trauma form care
that so many kids are coming inwith, especially when we have like co

(06:46):
occurring substance used with the mental healthso off with overlap in trauma therapy,
we say, instead of saying what'swrong with you, we should frame it
is what happened to you. Itevokes curiosity and passion, So trying to
understand what's driving it, no matterhow ludicrous the behavior is on the surface.
I don't care if the kids sittinghere telling me, yeah, I

(07:08):
don't want to do this either.I believe you, and in some way,
whether fully conscious or not, there'ssomething about this that is helpful.
I don't like right, wrong,good, bad, black white, I
don't like doualistic thinking, but somethingis helpful. And if we can tap
into that understand without shame or judgmentof how does this serve me, that's
a good place to start, Ithink, before it can start to build

(07:29):
solutions. I think that's so isso important too. Like I mean,
I've shared, maybe briefly on anepisode here about after our house fire when
I was young going to a therapist, then going to a hypnote therapist,
and the similar thing was said tome as a poet, which was different

(07:49):
than what was said to the othersthat were affected in my family, and
that was you're good, you don'tneed therapy. And I think I've shared
this with you, and it's alwaysbeen interesting to me because it's like,
then why do I still feel likeI'm not? You know? And and
so I had to find my ownhealing process. So I love the way

(08:11):
you approach this and having compassion andunderstanding and not acting like something's wrong,
because I think in those situations thosetherapists are trying to find something wrong and
maybe there wasn't necessarily in that.So I like your approaches more about the
why, like what happened, understandingwithout shame and judgment, and just the
difference that I hear. So I'mcurious and we've kind of talked, but

(08:33):
like obviously maybe not obviously, Iimagine you've had your own challenges that might
have informed this approach to helping others. Is if so, could you share
those challenges and maybe how they informedyour approach to develop your ways in doing
things? Sure? Sure, yeah, thank you for that. If your

(08:56):
com journey so, of course,yeah, life is such a journey.
And to me, like the olderI get, I guess the more my
lens expands. So like I cananswer this question to talk about only my
early childhood, I could talk aboutmy tumultuous teen years, getting in trouble,
getting sent to a program, myselfalmost not graduating, on and on

(09:20):
and on, running with a reallyrough crew of kids, and like the
punk rock scene, we can goon on. But I think that I've
always been drawn to the toughest caseslike especially earlier in my career, really
like cut my teeth in the trenches, so to speak. I worked out
in the projects in Richerd, Virginia. Like you know, I'm driving to
do an in home session, Ihave to try to sell me drugs and

(09:41):
thinking about not I'm there as acustomer, you know, working acute psychiatric
like intense, intense stuff, gangs, a lot of that, And I
think that I've always been drawn tothose those kind of kids, the tough
cases, the kids who don't implodeand shut down, the kids who explode
getting in trouble in school, home, community legally. So I guess what

(10:07):
I'm trying to say and answer yourquestions is that I was that kid.
Yeah. No, I I grewup in a community where didn't have gangs,
but had we, I would havejoined one brotherhood, safety, community,
camaraderie, power, control, what'snot to love. So although I

(10:31):
got into trouble as a kid,and I did gravitate towards certain groups and
other communities, I think working withthose tough cases and Miria and seeing myself
in them, it just taught mehow to be compassionate, be understanding,
regardless of this kid's rap sheet,trying to understand the why what happened to

(10:52):
you? And so often in myexperience personally and profession the clients I work
with somebody their story. They canread you the bullet points, no problem,
this happened, and this happened.This happen. That's the content.
But going to the deeper emotion ormeaning or how it affects me in the
past and present, or my beliefin myself for the future, that's a

(11:13):
whole nother ballgame. So I hopemay answer your questions. It's a deep
one. But well, how aboutthis, man, let's get some people
trying to relate it. Do youhave a story maybe you could share that
deeply impacted you, maybe to adeep emotional level, or or someone that
you deeply impacted and that you're like, man, you know, I don't

(11:35):
know, Maybe there isn't but somethingalong the lines it didn't have to be
quite like this, but maybe alongthe lines of like just man, I'm
glad I met that person, helpedthat person, Man, it really changed
your life. Whatever, like somestory like that or stories, feel free
to be open here and share whetherit was something that even changed your perspective

(11:58):
to help your clients better or somebodyagain, like I said that you really
impacted at a deep level to changemaybe or evolve the trajectory, trajectory of
their life. Do you have anythinglike that yet? It's one of those
things where it's like there's so manyexamples of where do I begin. Let
me let me breathe that for asecond. Breathe brother, Yeah, man,

(12:22):
like kid who I really feel likeimpacted and I learned lessons through it?
Is that what I'm hearing? Yeah, like something that either you learned
or if you have one that ofalso one that maybe impacted you or somebody
that you impacted at a deep level. It sounds like you have several,
so just pick one or two orand like just the impact of your work

(12:50):
it. Yeah. One example thatfor some reason is coming up for me
is I used to work at aprogram as the largest residential program in New
Jersey. And what that means iskids who are looking at not juvenile hall,
not three sixty five or less,but like look at long term like
youth prison. There's one youth prisonin the state. We used to get

(13:11):
those kids. So it's a lotof gangs, drugs, violence. It
was intense but we had no guardsand no bars in the program, so
it was all based on our rapportas counselors, clinicians, and associated staff.
So I think of one kid inparticular. He was a gang leader
from Jersey City, New Jersey.It's a pretty serious charges violence, tough

(13:33):
guy, charisma. He was aleader, right, and just like getting
to know him and learning his traumastory on what he went through and through
our relationship and rapport. What Iremember is it was his last day in

(13:54):
treatment. He probably stayed like,I don't know, six months, nine
months. Every day his kids livethere, right, he was like seventeen.
I catch him by this garden outside. It was an old convent that
was converted into a program. He'skind of like just shuffling around and I'm
like, what's up man? Hejust burst into tears. I'm like,
you're leaving today like you did it. You don't have to go, y'all

(14:16):
get locked up. Your po isworking with you. Is this is a
good thing. And he said,come, I'm scared to death. I
can't get out of the gang.I can't go back home. Here.
I feel safe the program where likeI raised hell for a couple of weeks
and I don't want to be herethis. He's like, I feel safe
here. I can't go home.I can't get out of this, you
know, And just like for me, there's so many examples like that,

(14:37):
where like you see a kid,you read a rap sheet, or you
read an article about someone who's gottenarrested, or you make a judgment about
somebody. But when you switch thatnarrative to what happened to you, an
understanding someone's upbringing and trauma history,and you create that sense of safety,
that soft place for them to land. I don't know, man, it
really it humbles you. Gratitude somuch, so MUCHY on a cliffhanger?

(15:05):
Though? Did he end up staying? Did he go? What happened to
him? As would happen with alot of kids. I think he's self
sabotage to get an extra week outof the deal. Sometimes they do that
like yoh, watch watch me gofocus cigar right now or something like that.
You know, it wasn't that seriousand joking, but I think he
cat stayed another week and I don'tknow what happened to him. Oh man,
no idea, what I'm curious?Pray that Yeah, all right?

(15:26):
Man, Yeah, I imagine youdon't really stay in contact for like,
it's not like you all become Facebookfriends and become a greater group or anything.
So man, that'd be interesting tohear, but I hope that.
I mean, it sounds like youdid a massive difference in this person's life,
and maybe once he left, thatwas the adversity you needed to make
a difference. And maybe not juston his own, you know, you

(15:48):
never know, maybe he made adifference on others' lives too. In your
field, one thing I've learned isthat especially working, like the intense stuff
like bad news travels faster than coolgood news. So you hear about the
kids who get arrested, the odthey die suicide, that happens a lot.
But on the contrary, like whenthe good news does come through,
like you really you relish in it, like very briefly. I can think

(16:11):
of an example even better, likeI had a girl who was so suicide
during COVID, like like multiple hospitals, like this girl could have died.
And fast forward, what's been fouryears now she's a medical school and she's
going to be a psychiatrist working withkids because of her experience, so you
know, there are incredible success quotestories and rewarding examples. What about you

(16:37):
and your own adversity, like withinthe career path, have you like I
mean, there's obviously a level oflike care and passion. It sounds like
I mean in what you do,have you ever had some challenge or like
like for example, like I've hadsituations, not much since I became an

(16:57):
entrepreneur, which has been great.But when I worked in like the for
profit and nonprofit sectors of health andwellness, and I worked for somebody,
like you know, all I caredabout was the people, and I wanted
to make a difference, and sometimesmy passion led down ways that you know,
created some challenge or confrontation and pushbackfrom others. That got to a

(17:21):
point where like, you know,I had to either quit or find my
own path, which is what happened, and that's where we are today.
And it was the best thing Iever did, even if I you know,
no matter how it didn't, itworked out. Is there anything like
that that like you've just you know, you were always there for the kids
or the clients or the or thepeople you were working with, but met

(17:42):
some kind of you know, roadblockor challenge that you really had to just
work to strive through in that situation. Oh brother, yeah, mind sharing.
I'm like feeling my react you're saying, and this could help people.
That's why we're talking about it,you know. Yeah. What I can

(18:08):
say is, yeah, I hearda punk soul rock song the other night,
and like, I've always had thatmentality of like just like like do
what's right, speak up, useyour voice to me. That's that's the
punk rock mentality, that's the philosophy, right, And I carry that into

(18:32):
the work I've done since day one, and I was that kid to trying
to find that balance of like,you know, working as a team and
following protocols for ex years and tryingto name things that maybe need to shift
right, or trying to be astaunch advocate for kids. So I've definitely
had experience in my career where certaincolleagues, leadership, program policies, there's

(18:57):
been tension. I think I'm davigatedpretty well overall, but there's been some
times where I had to step awaybecause I was like, you know,
as my Irish great grandfather would say, I'm holding back the tide with the
Hayrake you know, and I've learnedkids need help everywhere. So if I
can't remain somewhere, there's a kidwho's going to be getting me on the

(19:17):
other end of the next thing I'mdoing, and that kid's going me.
You know, that's what's meant tohappen. I believe that that's that's what's
meant to be. So I havefaced adversary for sure, but every single
time it's happened, it's only ledme to something greater. Yeah, I
love that I can agree to thatstatement I use because I mean many people

(19:38):
know you know that I'm a believeras a you know, the latter part
of my life, and I alwayssay something along when I feel like push
or shove, like God's trying toteach me. God's got to kick me
to move, you know, God'sgot to literally like put up such a
severe roadblock for me because I mightbe just heading down a direction and He's
got to really send me a message, like for me to even start my

(20:00):
own business. It came from likeliterally just about every you know, this
was my relatable every single roadblock andand wall and ceiling and to the point
of frustration and just not being aquitter that I had to change directions and
it was the best thing. Butit's like we had to go head on
right with it. And and Italk about some of these things in my
book, and so I always wantpeople to share it because like that's that's

(20:22):
what this podcast is all about.Like, you know, it's one thing
to share great stuff, there's amillion podcasts, but it's another thing to
like overcome like where you want whenyou're at the point of almost wanting to
quit and you don't and you findout on the other end of quit is
the great is an even better thing, right, And and that's why I

(20:44):
love to have people like you thatbecause I know so like continue to share
that as we go through this podcastand talk about it and if things come
to you and you want to addto it or share it to it,
because that's that's what makes it great. Because everybody on this planet, except
for maybe a small percentage, isstruggling in some way, and there's there
I believe there's waves through people's liveswhere like you know, there's days they

(21:07):
might wake up or there might behalfway through the day and they want to
quit and they just need something orthere's something that uplifts them. And sometimes
they need to hear something on apodcast or a tip or know that somebody
else might be going through it andthey found a way to overcome it.
And here's where we provide that.So thanks for sharing that. Just continue.
So like, what are some ofthe tools, What are some of
the tools and the things and techniquesthat you might use with you know,

(21:30):
in your practice and as far asto facilitate the healing and the growth and
the things that you do. Beautiful, Yeah, so it get more holistics,
so mind, body, spirit,whatever that means for clients. So
I'm very encouraged by how the mostcutting edge Western science around, for instance,

(21:53):
the autonomic nervous system, which isI think of it as the highlight
of anxiety travels through the brain andbody. Just how much cutting edge scientific
research mirrors what ancient practices spiritual traditionsfrom around the world, across space and
time. How they mirror. Howis it that Yogi's in India thousands of

(22:14):
years ago knew the thing that Westernscience has just figured out now, Like
we're just learning that trauma is morephysiological than psychological. Right, If eighty
percent of the information from my vagusnerve from my autonomic nervous system is going
bottom up, as we say,from the body to the brain. Trauma

(22:36):
it's Greek for wound. Right,It's not the punch, it's the impact.
It's the wound and how trauma woundsthe body. That is where I
find the most efficient effective way tostart for so many kids with say anxiety.
So instead of just coping skills,which you can freaking google, but
look on TikTok nowadays. Right,it's about your autonomic nervous system. What

(23:00):
is it? Let's understand it,and then let's start to implement some practices.
Breath work, meditation, cold exposurefor instance. Let's do these things
discipline not just when you're feeling stressedor anxiety, but in a preemptive,
proactive way each morning ten to fifteenminutes. And from there we can relax
the body enough to do the cognitivework, the processing. But if I'm

(23:23):
in fight or flight, if mybody is just regulated, I'm not in
the place. This is why it'sway too I think, don't they don't
feel that therapy has been helpful tothem, Right, So that's where I
like to start with kids. Geta good regimen of daily practices and then
let's see where we are. Yeah, it sounds like you're giving them like

(23:45):
the question tools. Where I've beenthrough therapy and and therapy, and it's
just been like asking questions sitting ona couch, sitting in a room,
which I don't think is not Ithink there are benefits to it. Believe
there has to be more. Therehas to be things people doing their own
because like you know, one houra week, two hours a week,
one hour a month, just havinga conversation on a couch for thirty minutes

(24:08):
or to an hour and just askingquestions or and you know it's not enough.
And you know you mentioned cold exposure. Cold exposure, and that's where
I found it. Like ten yearsago was when I started reading the mental
benefits. I stayed away from itbecause all my health and wellness friends were
doing it for the physical and therewasn't much research backing that, like the

(24:29):
sauna is actually probably more more beneficialfor the physical but the mental. And
so I still do it to thisday, and I do it every morning,
and it's like no matter what kindof you know, I may seem
like the joyful warrior, but Iright wake up as a funk and a
funk sometimes and that like totally switchesme on, which is great. But
even movement, I just you know, you talk about uh, you know,

(24:52):
trauma wounding the body, and youknow, I'm I'm going to share
something that happened actually last week witha group of people. And I've always
believed this why I foule movement.That's why I teach movement because it's what
I love to do, and Isee it affects people like mentally physically,
like they're connected, so if wecan get some sort of release. But
this is the cool story. Solast week, as you know, I
taught a couple of workshops. Theywere mobility workshops. There were educators in

(25:18):
a school district and people on staffand both of them afterwards was the coolest
thing. It was just I talkedfor a little bit, shared some of
my stories my trauma, like youknow, for about fifteen minutes or so,
and then I went around the room, you know, asked why they're
here, and it was like alot of surface level stuff. Long story
short. The end, everybody cameup to me, even a man who

(25:41):
big, burly like football player lookingdude, and they all looked emotional but
in a good way, and they'relike, I haven't felt that good in
a long time. And set infact, several who felt comfortable, they
looked all stunned for the one thing, which is crazy because if you if
from outside looking in, you're like, he's just doing some movement. But
there was so much more to it. But I had several people that pulled
me aside. They're like, whofinally shared some of their trauma, Like

(26:04):
somebody you know, they got cancerthrough COVID and they used to be having
in like martial arts and all thisstuff. It was a woman and then
she she's like, hasn't done much, but like she was just in surprise
and in forty five minutes, howmuch better she felt mentally, how much
physical. She's like, you haveno idea what you just did for me?
Like I didn't know I could dothese things. I didn't know how

(26:25):
good something could feel. A guysimilar and story after story of just it
made me like, holy crap,I might be onto something here, but
it's like I've been doing this andI've had this, but you know it
was it was really just bringing youdown and simplifying and and showing how we
move and yeah, mobility, butit call it what you will. It
wasn't yoga, but just moving ina fashion that can release stuff in our

(26:48):
body and our mind to the pointthat like like people have to just stop
and stare and like, holy crap, this is all I maybe needed to
start with. And that's what Iencourage them, you know, just try
to do something like this for evenfive minutes every morning and see how you
feel. So sorry to be alittle long winding there, but I wanted
to share because I knew, youknow, that could help the listeners and
like what you're trying to talk about. Obviously, I worked on some breath

(27:11):
work I didn't really talk on that. There was meditation within connecting to their
body. I moved really slow,which a lot of people see me in
my videos that I'm like doing likecrossfitty and fast, but like when I'm
with my clients, we start outreally really slow. And this is just
was an intro of sort. SoI just wanted to double down on what
you had to say there, andI appreciate you sharing that, man,

(27:32):
you know what, and if Icould expand and that briefly, I was
the conference with some people from Yalea few weeks ago and I was talking
to a very high level psychologists there. Hate presents some research around what's called
post to cute with drawnal syndrome foraddiction. It's like, how the brain
if you have all this dopamine stuffgoing on in different road transmitters are out
of whack. How long does ittake you to come back to your baseline?

(27:55):
It's about a year on average,more can be less. But the
research they're doing at Yale with theyf was with light to moderate exercise.
I think it was like twenty tothirty minutes, like four or five times
a week. I forget the exactmeasurements, but essentially when they looked at
a control group and they had peoplewho did the light to moderate exercise and
people didn't. I'm not talking aboutlike crazy lifting at the gym, just

(28:17):
like even like a job yoga,right light to monitor. I think the
number was, was it a sixtyto seventy percent faster recovery of post acute
all with drawlson in the brain.So it's a lot of the emotional stuff
that comes after. So what you'redescribing again intuitive, it's a lie with
spiritual traditions and the most cutting edgescience is like now demonstrating that as well.

(28:41):
It's beautiful. Have you seen someof this research coming out, And
if you have it, that's fine, but it's it's showing we already know
the benefits of movement for the obviouslythe physical and even the mental now,
but like there are some larger,longer term studies that are basically they've like
put put to the test of bothlike antideprecedents anxiety and just like exercise and

(29:02):
exercise is always showing improvement. Morewe're in some of the cases where they're
doing there's with depending I'm not gonnasay which ones because I don't even remember,
but a certain antidepressants, anti anxietymedicines are actually shown to do nothing
or make some of the patients evenworse. Where the exercise every single time,
in every singles case, in everysingle study, like even some of

(29:23):
it was just basic walking for likethirty minutes a day, and I was
just like blown away by this,And it just goes back to show move
move every joint, every single day. If that's all you do, it's
some of the best things you dofor your mental health. And then of
course the physical worcome, whatever yourgoals are. So have you seen some
of this? Yeah, I knowthat the research and I'm not a medical

(29:45):
doctor, soy very clear if yourlisteners, I'm not here to tell you
what to do as far as medications. No, you're so smart. The
research that I'm aware of, Sothe research I'm aware of more and more
of it's showing that the anti depressdantsare not longitudinally as effective as we once
thought. And also even just likethe basic premise that depression is directly related

(30:06):
to serotonin levels, it's not tosay that it's not at all, but
not nearly as much as we oncethought. So I think as a baseline,
if we're using a lot of drugsand alcohol, we're going through stuff,
let's cut those out a little bit. If we're eating a healthy let's
tweak that a little. If we'renot sleeping, if we're exercising, let's
get all these things in line andthen see where you're at. And if
your quote treatment resistant, you're notresponsive to interventions, then we can bring

(30:30):
more and more in. But Ithink as a baseline for wellness, we
know this. We know this,So giving your varied interest, we know
you hike. I mean that wasone of the things when we connected on
the little Apple connectors, like,oh, this guy's a hiker like me.
I love it. Live music similar, both play instruments. Another connection

(30:51):
and one thing we're not. Imean, I know you do like competitive
paintballing, which is awesome, butmagic the gathering that's you, not me.
Do you use or do you intergersome of these into your therapeutic practices.
I'm curious, but you have alot of cool interests. Man.
I wish when I worked at thatpro record of Brough kids paintballing, that
would have been sick. Now.I had never magic cards with kids.

(31:14):
I think you have kids. Imean, I'm curious your thoughts, but
like I think kids today, evenkids weren't born before Judo seven. I
think it was when the iPhone firstcame out. I think they intuitively,
like want other ways to connect witheach other that all the screen, right.
So I've used the magic cards.I've taught kids in session and will
play, especially kids who are anxiousand like just talking and someone is very

(31:36):
like you know, to like playa card game. I have chess here
in my office, you know,different things like that. I have a
whiteboard we use, so just differentlittle modalities around creativity. Are all these
things because respondably well too. Inthat program I worked at and individually with
kids if they're into rap in particular, a lot of kids like trap,
drill, all this kind of stufftoday having them instead of like calling it

(31:59):
journaling that sounds lame. Write aboutyour grandpa just passed away, write about
your breakup, write about the thingyou went through as a kid, put
it to the words and lyrics inverse. And we actually had a full
on recording studio. In the programI worked at, my kids would write
incredible, incredible, heartfelt music.So yeah, dude, I bring in

(32:21):
whatever I can that I offer itat least, you know, whatever I
can. That just reminded me ofsomething that I tripped upon my daughter,
my youngest. There's a I can'tremember it. There's a TikTok page,
not that I'm on it that much, but I'll do it for like music
where I'll post like my hand drummingor something, or maybe even a clip
from this. But there's a theybring the name of it. But if

(32:43):
I can find it or remember itbefore the end of this podcast. But
it's really cool because it started likefrom that, we're just writing out lyrics
of your pain or your trauma orwhatever. And then some of these people
are now on like Spotify and gettingre labels. But it was just like,
let's just sing out your pain,let's write it out. They had
like thirty minutes to do it andput together and someone were like one minute
two minute songs. But it's reallycool. But you know, you mentioned

(33:05):
what you asked essentially, like whatare my thoughts on it? Since I
have three kids? About you saidkids enjoy other things versus screen and I
will from my experience, I believeso. But they I would go so
as far they enjoy other things withother people, even adults in their life,
not just parents. For example,I can get my kids to pretty
much do most things if I'm involved, For example, clean your room.

(33:29):
No, hey, let's clean ittogether. They might push back a little
bit, but they'll do it.Hey, go practice your instrument, Go
practice like it looks like a chore, Just like telling somebody to go work
out as an adult, they don'twant to. But if they get a
workout partner, we already know.But with my kids, so if I
go shoot some pucks with my hockeyplayer kids. I don't play lacrosse,
but my daughter will every single timeshe plays lacrosse, will play lacrosse catch.

(33:51):
If I go with her anything likeversus a video, I'll go.
So I've been substitute teaching the lastseveral week and I've been in a lot
of there's another name for it.They don't call it special needs classrooms,
but I can't remember the name.But essentially it's like there's more like one
on one or one on three attention. And all the kids of computers now

(34:13):
in school stuff. We didn't havelaptops, and they have some free time
and time where they can use it. But just being the health guy,
I want to get them off ofit without saying get off. Plus I'm
not in control or in charge.I'm just like helping out. But if
I if they like have a choicebetween that or something creative or even just

(34:35):
playing creative. I think play issuch a beneficial thing, especially with the
toys of the provided school. IfI go sit down and play with them,
they will choose that every single timeover the iPad. But if you
go tell them to play, they'llget on the iPad right probably because it's
easier they think they like it withanything. Same with my son, Like

(34:57):
you know, I'll go back tothat back and forth, like whether it's
a musical instrument or work. Ifyou're doing even math with them, as
oppose them telling them to do themath even if you're horrible at it,
like if you attempt it, likeI just I could go on all day.
But like in so many different examplesfor my own kids, other kids
in my life, to even teamsthat I've coached when I'm an active participant,
even a horrible one, they seemto choose that most, if not

(35:21):
all the time, versus doing itthemselves or you know, like you said
the screen and everyone knows on thisby this point. I'm a wholehearted fan
of writing from the most therapeutic thingI ever did to writing my books.
So I always share, write itout, even if you just and then
read it out if you can,in front of yourself, in front of

(35:42):
a mirror or in front of somebody, and that's always been massively beneficial.
So totally I think that relates tothe boy called coregulation. Right, if
anyone listening has a child above theage of two, where you are child's
learning to walk, they would fall. When they would fall, before they
cry, they would typically do whatthey look at you. I see it's
coregulation, mir and nerons in thebrain. Now two year old doesn't know

(36:06):
that. Parent probably doesn't know that. But we look for cues of safety
around us. So if I havea task, I'm presided with something that's
stressful or different or new. Andif I have someone a friend, a
parent, a teacher, a mentorwho's guiding me, let's do this together
and you're regulated, I can feelsafe. My nervous system can relax in
my frontal lobe, can come online into executive function, planning. Creation.

(36:30):
Again, brain body science just catchingup now to these things that we
intuitively just know. Yeah, andyou said something there too that Like with
my kids, we me and mywife agreed on like unless they're really hurt,
don't like don't oh you're okay,Like we never did that, and
our kids has usually been okay.Like they've fallen out of trees, they've

(36:51):
done some things and we've just notignored it. But we just looked at
them and just waited and they usuallypicked themselves up, brushed themselves off for
a band aid. I remember myyoungest we're on a we're in the Adirondex
in Lake Placid, and she literallycut her buttchet come in on a chair

(37:12):
and she's like, I'm fine.But then we looked as like, oh
my god, we got to getstitches like so like, but it's just
like you got you still got tobe a parent and not brush everything off.
But it just shows like this strongwill of just not and and our
kids don't really get injured that mucheither, by the way, Like I
see a lot of kids getting hurtfrom minor stuff, which could be a
number of different things, but it'sjust it's just how we've always parents.

(37:36):
So speaking of schools, your backgroundis school counselor mental health mental health coordinator.
Uh, you know, how doesyour practice how do you approach like
school related challenges like you, Iam so so so passionate about that.
I believe that every single individual,for the most part, in this country

(37:58):
was ended up addicted, in jail, institutionalized, psychiatrically pass away overdose whatever.
They were all in school first.I mean they did get all through
all twelve grades, but they werein school. So that to me is
the front line and the average counselor. I mean those you can google your
state average school counselor or caseloaded size. It can be between like two three,

(38:21):
four, five, six hundred forone counselor, and so much of
that nowadays has been pushed into liketesting and scheduling and academic phone calls instead
of like, how are your kidsdoing their mental health? Their wellness right
so important. So at Quantum oneof the things that we're very, very
very passionate is partnering local schools.I'm in schools like tomorrow and high school

(38:45):
Thursday at the University that we're constantlyworking with our school based partners because we
know that so many people staff includedby the way, are really going through
it there, you know. Sowe get consents to release and we meet
regularly, calls regularly with school especiallythe counseling based supports, and just team
everything. Everything's a team approach.In New York it's two hundred and twenty

(39:09):
one to one the average state intoschool counselor rate. California years ago was
the worst. I don't know thenumbers now, I've been checked in a
while, but I think there's areal need for more school based mental Health
Service. So I'm a huge advocatefor that here in New Jersey, all
right, I was just curious aboutthat. Yeah, that's interesting. So

(39:30):
that's not bad. Okay. Theaverage though per nation is three eighty five
to one in the US. Sonow your child was depressed, and they
say it's something like between twenty fiveand fifty percent of kids at least on
some level contemplated self harmor suicide.It's a high number. Okay, So

(39:52):
you have one person for hundreds ofkids to just keep eye on things.
WHOA. That makes me think too. If New York is two twenty one,
and there's probably even some better thanthat, the average three eighty five
to one, there's probably schools thatlike five hundred to one, you know,
six hundred, like to balance thatout. Yeah, that's I can't
imagine. Yeah, my mom wasa guidance counselor in school, and she

(40:12):
was passionate in similar ways as you, but you could tell in the latter
part of her career, uh,which she's retired now, she was getting
frustrated because it became more administrative paperworkand the things that you talk about and
like not why she got into itin the first place. And yeah,
she ended up be getting frustrated withit. So, I mean, schools

(40:34):
are so interesting. Our kids aregoing to schools, and I think they've
faced so many more challenges in adifferent way than we ever did. I
mean in my daughter's school alone.One of the things that's frustrating me,
it's like, I just want toget a good education, and I wish
I could almost homeschool because it's like, you know, there's some great teachers
there. We like our school district, but it's turned into where she's coming

(40:54):
home with all these other things,like she didn't know what anxiety depression was.
She's like, yeah, most ofthe kids I know are medicated.
They've had a lock pretty much,or I don't know if locks the right
term. I don't want to getclose to see your trouble. Basically,
there's only one bathroom where you canaccess at any time because like vaping and
fighting and drugs, it becomes sucha problem, and I'm especially the vaping

(41:17):
part of it, and so there'sall these little distractions from the kids just
to be able to get a goodeducation. There's other things too, I
could list, so, like youknow, and then we're seeing how that
evolves in society. There's a bookthat I read that i'll talk about on
here called Coddling of the American Mindand what they're seeing. If you haven't
ready, should check it out aboutlike what's going on and what's happening on

(41:39):
our university campuses and what's our youthare going into, So anything you want
to chat more about that as faras I'll just say, I'm not into
like school and teacher bashing, likethat's not my thing. You know,
I've seen a lot of good it'sa lot of amazing people. I know,
a lot of amazing educator school basedon folks. And you know,

(42:01):
I'm friends with the former president ofthe State School Counseling Association. You and
I were talking not too long ago, and he said, the amount of
numbers of counselors leaving to go private, it's staggering. There's a mental health
crisis in this country, specifically whenit comes to school based supports. So
anyone listening to this, if youcan advocate with your border of education,

(42:22):
what is our average caseload? Whatcan we do? How can we maybe
get an extra counselor in this building? These kind of things so important.
I think that schools are a canarianthe coal mine for our whole society.
Brother, if I have a kidin school who's fighting, in again,
getting high, self harm, whatever, team, pregnancies at all the time
high right now, all these concernsthat we track right about society back to

(42:45):
the holistic perspective, the why whyyou engage that behavior. Let's start with
home, right, Let's start withmulti generational traumas, start with community.
So the kids, it's just arepresentation of what's happening on a larger society.
So whether I hear people say thingslike well, you know, schools
and I don't trust dude, yourkid's going to face these challenges regardless,

(43:07):
not that I'm here to tell youhow to pair it. Yeah, No,
I think that's key. I thinkthere's too much, I imagine from
what I see, too much tryingto prevent the strategy of the problems or
the adversity as far as teaching themhow to overcome it. You know,
I will say I think about thisalmost daily, Like talking about my wife

(43:28):
sometimes, like sometimes I want tohave my kids have a harder life because
that's what's built. Like me andmy wife both have had a challenging childhoods
and adulthoods, and it's what's builtus to who we are, and we
know how to overcome. And witheach layer level it's like a video game.
I get better at it. Youknow, it may not be easy
all the time, but you know, now I can teach to my kids
how to overcome the challenges and thefailures like you know, our kids have

(43:52):
faced, you know, but we'veseen them overcome. Like, for example,
my daughter didn't make a lacrosse teamlast year that she wanted to be
on, which was super because she'salways made it. She's always done it,
and then all of a sudden shedidn't this see the last year,
and by having supportive parents and beliefin her and then just showing her how
to overcome, man, this year, she's a whole different player. She's

(44:15):
the fastest on our team. Nightand day that she was good, but
she went from good to even waybetter. I refrained from using where great
because great means you're there, Butshe looked so amazing and she's so much
more positive her self esteem. Butshe did it on her own with our
support, and she overcame that.And I think that's the key to being

(44:35):
challenged similar situation my son's dealing withright now, but he's doing all right.
So let's talk about that family beforewe got to you know, we
got some time here at like thefamily complexities. You know, obviously I've
shared my story on here and we'vetalked about it, and they play a
significant role. We are our environmentof sorts, So you know, teens,
young adults, How do you guysimpact the family dynamics? You know,

(44:57):
like what strategies do you guys employ? You know, what can some
things that listeners that are maybe dealingwith some stuff that even if they never
take your practices, could take awayfrom this totally. We talked a few
minutes ago about the idea of codregulation, right, and that we call it
also a neuroception, the way thebrain can kind of assess the environment.

(45:17):
So I don't believe that parents arelike the problem, right, Some people
would say that kind of thing.I don't think that's accurate. I don't
believe that anyone is that powerful.We can only change someone. They're in
diapers, as I've heard it said, but that said, significantly more often
than not when we get phone callshere at Quantum and the child has quote

(45:40):
anxiety. I can I can feelthe anxiety coming through the phone and the
parent. I can feel it inmy body. It's significant. So if
I'm in a family dynamic and they'restress or anxiety or substance use or whatever
the case may be, that that'scontagious. Anxiety is very contagious for survival

(46:05):
reasons. Right, if it's anunstated environment, we should all be on
edge and alert. So what strategiesdo we employ is I think again it's
back to awareness with quantum For us, it's about consciousness, expanding consciousness more
than just like tools and coping.If I don't have the awareness of the
quote problem. Don't love that wordeither, But if we don't have awareness
of the problem, how can weeven talk about solutions. So helping parents

(46:29):
as a mirror to see what theirrole is and how are you taking care
of yourself? Your kids getting therapy? Beautiful, I'm not a car wash.
You don't drop them off to comeouts quaky clean. Right, Especially
when he talks about major behavioral stuffor substance use. That is a family
disease, and that's something the wholefamily has to shift. When the client
is no longer the identified patient,as we say, we don't have to

(46:49):
worry about the client. What areyou going to worry about next? Right?
So often when a kid gets betteras someone else in the family,
their issues start to come to thesurface because now there's space for it.
So it's about awareness, it's aboutcommunication, it's about boundaries, expectations,
and natural consequences. And I speaka lot on that in our community partners
and schools. Without Without clear boundariesand expectations and consequences, kids they don't

(47:16):
know where they're at. How tobring some more anxiety. There has to
be structure. Mmm, yeah,I agree. I think that's going to
be controversial for somebody that heard thatwhen you said I don't believe parents are
the problem, because I've heard somany people and I'm sure I said it
early, early years ago, butthen I realized, man, it was

(47:37):
because of them. And I talkabout it, you know, on here
in my book, like it's becauseof them and their experience is why I
am who I am. So it'slike I'm you know, you know,
everyone is where they're at, andI truly believe my parents are trying to
do the best they can. Andso I like that you did say that,
and I think more people need tohear that, man, Like,

(47:58):
there's got to be sometimes we're they'renot helping the situation. Your child's anxiety
is lessing, and then you're pilingyour anxiety onto them. You're working against
the process that you tie them upfor. Yeah, but I'm not saying
that to blame it now, butlike no, and like if they're and
you can't kick it, like youknow, you don't want to encourage the
kids to run away. And ifthey're you know, underage, they that's

(48:21):
their home. It is what itis. So you need to give them
tools and teach them how to respondor not respond and have some emotional intelligence
and guidance. And that's where youcome. And it's got to go deeper,
which it sounds like you're doing inwhat I would call some pioneering work.
I don't. I just mean thisis I feel like this is not
the norm. I feel like you'reinnovative in what you're doing. I mean

(48:45):
from what it sounds like. SoI imagine with that, like you face
some significant challenges, maybe even skepticism, possibly from clients or peers. Does
that happen? So how do youaddress that? What are some ways you
demonstrate your value, you or yourapproach. Well, I think the opposite
of anxiety is controlled. It's likea seesaw. So I have a lot

(49:07):
of anxiety, which is a futurebased what where, when? Why?
Unforeseen. Inherently, the more controlI can have to control outcomes, the
better I feel in the moment.Not necessarily helpful in the long term if
we're trying to shift our mindset andbehavior. So for instance, I can
think of, you know, someonethe other day called, I matched them
with someone on my team. Theyhad initial conversation, felt great, everyone's

(49:30):
happy, good to go, andthen the client, the client heard from
someone that the person should have aPhD. And this person I team did
not have a PhD. Therefore theywere pulling the plug the day before their
first session. So yeah, andand all respect, no judgment. It's
your your your healing path and yourjourney. But I think, as someone

(49:52):
who works in a higher ed ifyou think that the letters after someone's name,
mind included make them good or bador bad or I don't know about
that, you know. So,yeah, we face skepticism. I think
we do CBT, we do DBT, right, we do these these more
traditional models of therapy. I'm ahuge fan. There's there's an enormous amount
of research efficacy around them, andI think it's a very narrow view,

(50:16):
especially from a holistic place. Whatabout the body? Right, So people
resonate with our message that they don'tare as well will speak for themselves.
Our data is phenomenal and I'm gratefulto be It seems like one of the
holistic practices in New Jersey, inthe New York area, we're I don't

(50:37):
want to say we're like pioneering,but we're we're definitely like leading the charge
I think within our community. Yeah, so what are some of the things
Obviously I would imagine you follow someof your own advice, right, Like,
what are some of the things thatyou do on a daily or weekly
that you know somebody could be hearing. I was like, Oh, I
might try that, or oh youknow, just you know this coming from

(50:58):
you, who you know is teachingpeople these things. Yeah, man,
it's I like having tools in mytoolbox. So I know that for me,
anxiety is not something that is mygo to. When I'm really going
through it, I go to theother end of the energetic scale. My
energy drops it doesn't increase right well, but I do feel anxious, so

(51:21):
I'm going through some acute period ofstress. Breath work works great for me.
My wife does a lot of Carneliayoga and her her teacher taught me.
Are certain breathwork regimen that I usemyself when I need it. It's
extremely helpful. After a few daysof consistent practice. I use with my
kids. I've had almost I think, one hundred percent success in the past
two years with kids who have nausea. They throw up before school from anxiety

(51:45):
using this technique. So I definitelyuse breathwork when I'm feeling more on the
lower end, burned out, depressed, down, like over like just everything
kind of collapses in at moments.Nature is big for me. Hiking,
physical exercise and moving energy through thebody. Very helpful. Music seeing it,
playing it, writing it, listeningto it always puts my mood in

(52:07):
a better spot. If I'm goinginward, you know, in a greater
sense spirituality for me, the moreconnected I feel to whatever this is a
guy called the universe called conscience,called quantum mechanics. This this sense that
everything is connected, right, wheredo we come from? Where do we

(52:29):
go? The more I'm tapped intothat, the more I'm able to be
in places of acceptance. And Iget a lot of that from Eastern philosophy
like Buddhism. So I draw fromwhatever I feel I need in the moment.
But all these modalities are tremendously helpfulfor me. Wow, we've had
such a variety of people, andwe're talking about variety like even you know,
just all over the board, andhow people that are dealing with and

(52:57):
trying to strive and thrive through lifeand no matter what it brings through them
and navigate the various challenges. Andthere's very similar things, you know,
breath work, nature, and Iwonder when it'll come a time whe people
like see how simple but maybe noteasy. You know, it's not easy
to maybe like get in a habitand dedicating you know, thirty minutes of

(53:20):
day of getting outside and into natureor doing breath work or whatever it might
be. But yet people take themore uncomfortable and I think harder route eventually
just like not doing these things.And then it comes down to you know,
medication, surgeries, expensive therapy andall these other things. So man,
so where do you see the futureas we're starting to wrap it up

(53:43):
here, Like where do you seethe future of mental health, like especially
where you're incorporating quantum approaches, Likehow do you envision quantum psychotherapy like you
guys evolving and just this area that, like you mentioned, it's just growing.
It's just it's growing. Mental healthjust like obesities growing and there's billions

(54:04):
of dollars throwing it. I wouldjust imagine mental health because there's billions of
dollars thrown at physical health and we'rejust seeing things get worse. So yeah,
so I'll speak in general terms andI'll speak to quantum. So I
was speaking with a friend who worksin an Ivy League university doing research in

(54:27):
neuropsychology type stuff, and there's astudy happening right now. I don't want
to say too much about it,but long story short, they're finding that
kids' brains are actually different. They'rechanging compared to the prior generation, like
physiologically measuring size, weight, developmentgrowth. The growth is actually changing where

(54:51):
we used to think that you knowdevelopment depending on who you ask research you
look at as an adult male,if you have a trauma history around twenty
a lot of the emotional centers ofthe brain are kind of done worth you
explaining that to thirty to thirty threetremendously, So kids' brains are actually different.
I say this to say that wheredo I think the future, Where
do I see the future going?Things are not getting better, and I

(55:15):
hear the folks who say things likewhat there's more awareness and now them's a
snowflake, and I think there's similidityand some of those perspective to say,
when anybody says one thing, however, it's never just one thing right objectively,
scientifically, we're noticing that kids today, their brains are different. I
think technologies a piece can go onon under that warmble, but the recognizing

(55:39):
that traditional talk therapy of just likehow does that make you feel? And
here's our coping strat it's not sufficientenough to meet the needs of today for
many folks, like eighty percent aroundof our clients we almost two hundred clients
in quantum, eighty percent of ourclients have had prior therapy before it either

(56:00):
wasn't helpful quote unquote, or theyfelt it was and then they plateaued and
looking for more. I think spiritualityis on the rise. Whatever that means
for folks in a non denominational sense, we're like, who am I?
Where am I going? What isthis intuition? This sense I get again?
Call it quantum mechanics, call itanything you want, but this deep
gut no opening I have. Howdo I strengthen that? Like a muscle

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plant medicine US is on the rise. Where can I go and talk to
a clinician where they're not going tojudge that and call it necessarily a drug?
So I think in a field,this holistic approach is getting more and
more popular, as it should becausethe desire is greater for quantum. What
do I hope? I hope thatas a practice owner I can use it

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as a platform to do greater good. I'm looking at working with legislators around
things like school based mental health,substance use funding, these kind of things
of stepping into the legislative stuff.You know. I know great people the
New Jersey psyched like Assistant Therapy Association, who are trying to do some work
right now in schools. Like Isaid that, advocacy and getting back into

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communities. I'd love to start nonprofitand get into the inn with gang kids
again. Yeah, and I've mentionedthat and like not on here, but
just like simple talking therapy, likeyou said, does not work, and
they've shown that simple talking therapy mighteven make things essentially worse, and there's
been some books on that and itmay bring out kids start thinking there is

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something wrong with them when there wasn't. So Man, this has been great.
Man is there Obviously I want peopleto know how they can learn more
engage in your service, so youknow, share, what's the best way
to start if they wanted to connectwith you? Sure, so I guess
Instagram nowadays is the thing. Sowe're at Quantum Therapy NJ. Like New

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Jersey Quantum Therapy NJ. We doa lot of different events in the Tristate
area. We do women's retreats,we do women's circles, especially, a
lot of women based programming. Men'sgroups are starting up now, virtuality in
person weekend retreats elsewhere, So checkus out if if you don't want psychotherapy.
We have a lot of different holistictype community building events going on.

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Our website is Quantum Psychotherapy dot com. And the fact I just briefly plugged
just some people who I'm inspired bythat with me, but the work of
Gabor Mate. I'm sure many peopleknow him by now, in my opinion,
the world's leading addiction expert. I'ma huge fan of Mast and Kip
Kipp Master and Kip is great aroundthe nervous system and its impact on trauma.

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Deb Dana LCSW she's really great forpolybagel theory as well. So there's
some really incredible people online. We'regetting this message out there and folks that
are folks are listening. Awesome,man, is there anything else you'll like
to share before we get off heretoday? It's been a great conversation.
Just gratitude, man, Gratitude foryou the work you're doing, and this

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idea of you know, you getembodying, embodying like who I am or
what I talk about or what Ido is who I am. And we
were friends personally, I know youyour story, your pastor president, and
like you're the real deal, andI'm grateful that you're using this platform to
try to get the message out tohelp others. It's a beautiful transmutation.
Thanks man, Well, we appreciateeveryone that's tuned in. Obviously, you

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