Shining New Light on Wellness: The GembaRed Revolution with Andrew LaTour

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Hey, welcome to another empowering episodeof Strive three sixty five, your go
to source for conquering life's challenges andthriving no matter the odds. Whether you're
seeking mental, physical, emotional,or spiritual growth, We're here to help
guide you toward a better life.I'm your host, Justin Arnold, coming
to you from the amazing Rock BoxStudio. And today we have a neat
little guest here, guy that Imet Andrew. So, although we've talked

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about red light therapy before, today'sepisode is going to promise new insight that
will surpass even the most informed listeners. We're enjoyed here again with Andrew Latour.
He's the innovative founder of Jemba d, a company that's redefining the standards
of red light therapy with his focuson safety, efficacy, and affordability.
With his unique background in chemical andmaterial engineering couple with Lean six Sigma training,

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Andrew has transformed his personal health adversitiesinto a crusade for accessible wellness solutions.
Since launching Gema Red in twenty eighteen, he's not only challenged the status
quo with transparent, science backed products, but also educated the public on the
critical aspects of red light therapy.So let's dive into this conversation as Andrew
shares revelation about red light therapy topicguy that we thought we all knew well,

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shining new light on what to lookfor in these transformative devices and if
your device, and if you'd likedit to purchase a device, I'm going
to be hooking all my listeners upwith a discount. You'll just have to
use code justin ten if you endup liking what you hear there, and
there'll be links here in the shownotes and website as well. So Andrew,
thanks for being on here today.And yeah, like we've talked about

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it, like in one of ourearlier episodes last year, a little bit
of red light, and we've touchedon it here and there. But what
fascinated me about when we connected andeven just looking at your Instagram, which
I highly encourage everyone to go to, which will put the link here as
well, is just I don't wantto use the word different, but it's
just, man, I've just blownaway, like how much it seems like

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anytime new something comes on the market, there's the people that really want to
make a difference, and then thepeople want to make a profit, and
I love that you're just putting outsome information. So let's get going,
man Like, is there anything elseyou like to share before I start some
Q and a here by yourself oranything else. Oh? Yeah, yeah,
I just wanted to, you know, thank you for having me on.
And yeah, I started campra Redout of his passion for, you

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know, trying to improve my ownhealth, getting into you know, some
of the biohacking kind of clicks andcrowds and you know, going to conferences
and following all the podcasts for health, and you know, I found a
big kind of gap of you know, trying to find these red light therapy
devices. They were just starting toget popular on the market around twenty seventeen
and twenty eighteen. But you know, I couldn't really find a solution that

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aligned with me. You know,they didn't seem like they were doing things
right. They weren't really talking aboutthe science like the way that then you
know, I like to dig intothings with my engineering background, and you
know that's what I liked about biohackingsthat I could go into pub med and
I can do the research and findout about this stuff, and there's kind
of a gap of like what thecompanies are advertising and saying versus what they

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were kind of selling versus what youcan find in the science and the literature.
So, you know, I startedmy business in twenty eighteen not really
being you know, much of anyone, not being an influencer, not being
any you know, big wit.But it's kind of a lot of people
aligned, Like with what you foundon my Instagram and on my organic content
my blogs, is that people reallygravitate towards the truth and the transparency and

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you know, just trying to dothings the right way for no other reason
other than just doing it the rightway. Like some people almost like I
think it's like I'm so honest andtransparent. They think it's like some sort
of gimmick of like being you know, being so the opposite of what you
expect that all these companies start kindof, you know, playing marketing games
and trying to figure out ways totreat people. But you don't need to

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trick people like red light therapy.You know you've already naturally probably talked about
it a couple of times, andyou know it's been this big topic.
Andrew Buberman and all these other peopleare starting to get on board. I
think Joe Rogan mentioned it on onsome podcasts recently, so it's getting more
and more attraction. And you know, the keys to educate the consumer first

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and then really you know, makelet them make their own decisions to find
what they need. Yeah, andI like what you said there. I
mean, it was just yesterday Iwas having a conversation my son and how
people just catch a video young orold and they just because they see it
on the internet. And I thoughtwe were past this, but apparently not
where people just don't do their duediligence and research, and especially with the

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world of AI like and facial everythinglike and audio now and this is you
mentioned some names there and that wasthe thing. My son comes home share
the story and I did some researchon like, well this isn't true,
and the story is and I don'tknow if you all have heard this again,
this is off topic, but it'swhy we got to do our research.
And I'm grateful for this. Buteven like question him, if you

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don't feel sure, but you needto start looking at different sources and not
just take everything for face value,especially when you're putting your money on But
this is about some lake in Russia. Maybe you've heard this story and they
use Joe Rogan's voice, and it'snot real to say that there's some like
lake monster in there from all thetoxic wastos dumped in there for like twenty
nine years from this from this factorythat was built in Russia, and now

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there was like some lake eel thatwas like the size of it sounds like
some prehistoric animal that ripped this dudein part. And my son's like,
I couldn't convince them otherwise till Ihad to find a video that was disproving
this thing. But there's videos allover the internet of that it's truthful.
It's amazing. I'll be able tojust reshare and reshare and never looks,
and people just believe it. Andyou think that, like, why would

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somebody make them in the first place? Who knows? But there's all this
misinformation out there, and things cango down to rabbit hole. So you
really got to question things and thingsout and I'm grateful for a source like
his and for yours and for youout there. So tell me about a
little bit about your personal j Jarney, Like from the health challenges, do
you discovering like different biohackings to thisred Light and eventually founding Gemma Red and

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your company. Like there always seemsthat's what we like about this show is
that we always bring people who've beenthrough some adversity and then I've created something
good out of it. So tellus a little bit about that. Yeah,
I mean, my health journey,you know, starts all the way
back. Like I had a vaccineinjury when I was two, and that
kind of wrecked my immune system andgave me you know, chronic sinus infections
and chronic problems like asthma and andyou know sinuses and allergies and just you

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know, constantly getting bombarded with youknow, mainstream medical stuff of antibiotics and
all these rounds of steroids and ailedsteroids so I could breathe, And you
know that really kind of probably wreckedmy digestion and metabolism, you know,
dealing with obesity and being overweight andyou know, lots of sleep problems,

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and you know that's really carried withme all the way through towards you know
college and you know, graduating collegeand stuff. And I really didn't get
a grip of my health until aftercollege, and you know, my wife
started to introduce me to more kindof alternative methods and holistic stuff into some
of the foreign forra red therapies andfar and for red heat mats, like

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from a company called Biomat. Butyou know, and I was always skeptical,
but you know, I would justalways just look be kind of open
minded and look up the research andbe like, oh, okay, there
is some stuff into this far andfor it stuff. And then I,
you know, I had some chronicback pain. I'm not sure where it
came from, and I started usingred incandescent heat lamps on my on my

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lower back for managing the pain.And you know, that's how I started
kind of getting into the biohacking stuffand trying to improve my health that way
with diet and you know, exerciseand different tools and techniques, and I
got into you know, the sleepfactor was really big for me. If
you don't get good sleep, yourhugger hormones go really high, or you

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know, you can't really control yourexercise recovery and your you know, how
much energy you have. So sleepis very crucial and light plays a very
big role and getting your proper circadianrhythms and getting your sleep. So I
got into like wearing blue blockers atnight and you know, getting that morning
sunshine and you know, and thengetting into more the artificial lights of light

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therapy, and yeah, you know, I saw some of these early red
light panels introduced to the market,and like I said, I didn't like
the pricing was really high, andyou know, their marketing wasn't right.
So then I ended up kind ofwith my wife. We were traveling the
world for her job, and welived in China for like six months,

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and I ended up kind of researchingLEDs in China and you know that's where
they're all coming from, and youknow, connecting with manufacturers and getting the
specs right, and so I wasable to kind of work with them,
and then I started this business oflike, hey, I'm going to just
try it out. I'm an engineer. You know, this is kind of
out of my comfortge zone to beon the spotlight and you know, be
talking to people and be an entrepreneurand do things on my own. I

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thought, you know, I'd beworking alone in a laboratory most of my
career, but you know, nowin mouth here, so it's kind of
an experiment on my own personal journeyto be an entrepreneur, but also you
know, to try out this businessand say hey, I'm just going to
make a simple, evidence based productand you know and cut out all the
marketing sluff, and you know,I think a lot of people really aligned

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with that that message. Yeah,so for let's back check a little bit.
So I know there's probably some peoplethat are still aren't familiar. So
for our listeners who might be newto this concept, could you explain what
real light there B is and howit works at to sell your level?
Yeah, yeah, So you know, we have all these colors of the
rainbow that come from sunshine. Youknow, we get the ultra vie light

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on the lowest you know, wavelengthend, and then we get blue,
and then we get green, yellow, and then we get red and then
just past red that we can't seeis called near infrared, and then the
longer wavelengths of infrareds are called youknow, mid infrared and far in for
it. So we get this wholespectrum that from sunlight and that you know,
evolution and our biologies have you know, kind of tuned itself to utilize

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and be accustomed to handling. Andyou know, we're finding out more and
more of the science that you know, all these different wavelengths of light have
you know, specific interactions with ourbiology, with our cells, and more
specifically with mitochondrial function, which youknow, the mitochondria has become this big,
you know, kind of important,kind of catchword of this powerhouse of
the cell. Of Hey, ifyou've got mitochondrial dysfunction that seems to correlate

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with all kinds of different diseases,all kinds of different chronic age relate related
problems that we don't really have curesfor, but a lot of them seem
to be related to, you know, to chondrial dysfunction that they're not able
to produce the energy that they're supposedto, or they get gummed up with
inflammation or ROS, which is reactiveoxygen species. And you know, the

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science is starting to find that,you know, the red and the near
and for it and actually it's notnew. It started in the nineteen sixties
when they started testing lasers on ratsand mice and then eventually on humans that
these red and nearon FRED lasers wereshowing stimulatory responses. They've saw better wound
healing. On some of the ratsthat they found, they saw better hair

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growths. So that's kind of what'sstarted at And now we have this database.
You know, you can find onpub net thousands and thousands of studies
on red light therapy, you know, and when we say red light therapy,
we're also talking about nearon for it. But these specific wave blank ranges
you know, really help with thatmitochondria function in a lot of different ways.
And because we have mitochondria or allour organs for all our systems,

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you know, it can help thebrain, it can help the eyes.
It's big in skincare, it's bigin athletic recovery. So because it works
on this fundamental level, so atyou know, at first it sounds like,
you know, too good to betrue, because how can you know,
we usually think of one drug havingone kind of medical indication or one

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you know, the FDA only approveslike a medical device for only one indication
at a time. So that's why, you know, red light therapy is
so amazing because it's kind of thisholistic thing that can help, you know,
as a therapeutic for a lot ofdifferent things. And then we're finding,
hey, you know, if I'mI'm a relatively healthy person like you.

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You know, we can use itfor our circadian rhythm, for our
sleep, for anti aging, forlongevity, for as kind of a band
aid if we do get a bumpor a bruise or a scratch or a
wound or a surgery. It helpsyou recover faster from workouts and things.
So it's really this awesome thing.So, like I said, like I
don't have to be an expert inmarketing. I can just talk about you

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know, thisience and and the productsjust really sell themselves because it's been really
traveling through you know, word ofmouth and obviously a lot of influencer hyped
too, but you know it's reallyjust you know, the people are talking
and share the results and say,hey, you know, if I talk
to a family member or a friend, they try it out, they're like,
wow, you know, I gotthis good result. So it's really

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you know, it's been becoming moreand more mainstream, and then that's you
know, that's a good thing.Yeah, yeah, yeah, And and
like I Semi one and I haveone of his smaller devices, and you
know, I like that. It'swhat's the word I'm looking for that it's
lower intensity. Is that what Iwant to say? Lower? Yeah,

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most most of our products are alittle bit lower intensity, although the one
I send you is actually on thehigher end of the intensity range. So
you do want to limit you know, we can talk about kind of dosing
and intensity, but yeah, mostof my products we focus on delivering the
right amount of intensity. Sense.Like I said, a lot of the
studies started with these low powered laserscalled low level laser therapy. That's kind

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of a keyword you can look upwhen you search for papers as l ll
T. And then a newer termis called photobiomodulation is PBM. So again
those are keywords and you can lookinto pubman and find the research that way.
But yeah, we focus on lowerintensity, low EMF, low flicker.
You know, very safe, easyto use, kind of a you

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know, mistake proof that it's veryhard to overdose unless you really, you
know, used it recklessly. Butyou know, you can get a reasonable
dose in a couple of minutes,five minutes, ten minutes, depending on
you know, which product you getfrom me, And you know it's very
simple. You just apply it towhere you might have pain or inflammation or
organ systems. You're trying to improveand do it for a certain amount of

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time, do it a couple oftimes a week, and you know it's
it's very impressive that way. Yeah, And what I was saying is like,
yeah, in the paperwork they camewith it, it's in one to
two minutes and you can put itliterally on your skin. Which is interesting
because I've got other red lights andI don't want to talk about them on
here, but you're not even supposedto be within like a foot of them,

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And that always is like, well, that's interesting because that is like,
am I even getting the benefit?But I'll tell you this not promoting
his just all honesty. I've playedaround with red lights and different ones,
and I've done different things. Andwhat I'm talking about here is I've had
really as I've start to intensify theamount of like hockey I play. So
I have two kids that play hockey. I play now I coach at my

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left forearm started really bothering me ina little background there. Years ago,
we're talking like seven years ago,I really strained and possibly tore like my
breakoaver radialis and bicep muscle, andI have on again off again like let's
call it tennis album and it usuallygoes away, but it hasn't gone away

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for months. But since I startedusing yours, like I said, a
few times a week and just puttingit on the air one to two minutes,
it's it's it's not completely gone,but it's the best it's felt in
months. And I've tried other thingsand other theories, and I'm a string
conditioning specialist, and I've tried differenteven like physical therapy type stuff, but
just you know, a couple ofminutes over the last couple of weeks here
and there, I just want tolet you know they're like, Man,

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this finally one that I found thatactually works. And I just want to
let you know that I that you'dwant to hear that, and also the
listeners, you know, for thosethat are still skeptical on that. So
I'd love to know where I I'msure other people like where the name Gamba
Red came from and what was like, was there a thing You've talked a
little bit about, like why youstarted it, but was there a thing

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or a moment where like we haveto like some of them, motivate you,
we have to start Gamba Red andthen we'll dived into like wires is
different and everything else as well.I'm sure. So, yeah, the
word gamba is what I learned inthe lean six Sigma training and you know
kind of engineering training. I workedas an engineer, you know, full
time for about ten years, anda lot of that is, you know,

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how do you run a very efficientbusiness? And it comes from you
know, some of the stuff thatgot started by you know, Henry Ford
on the you know, mass productionline and got into Toyota, so the
you know, Toyota and six Sigmaand all this stuff is about how to
run a very lean and efficient business. And one of the Japanese terms is
called gemba, which is kind ofin Japanese and means like the place where

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value is created. And so usuallyin engineering with that's kind of your factory
floor, your manufacturing floor, andto really focus on how do we make
our products the right way and wego down and solve problems on the shop
floor. But it also has todo with just focusing on value, on
what really delivers the value to yourcustomer. And you know, it's all

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about listening to your customer and gettingthat feedback from them, and that's how
you can make the most efficient businessis if you only deliver what you need
in terms of what the customer requiresand what the customer values, rather than
try to, you know, comeup with all these gimmicks and features and
you know, access kind of stuffthat you see in a lot of uh,
you know, red light therapy productsand just products in general of like,

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oh, we have to check allthese boxes of marketing gimmicks in order
to sell our product, when youknow, what what is really the core
basics of delivering a good effective redlight therapy product. And again that's the
right intensity, not too high ortoo low, the right wavelengths you know,
low EMAP and low flickers and poorfor a lot of my customers.

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And uh, you know, justa simple design doesn't need to have LCD
screens and Bluetooth connectivity and all,like what are we doing when you know
it should be all these It shouldbe more of a meditative process when you're
in it. That's what I'm doingwhen I'm when I'm saying front sometimes yeah,
if if and if the timing withyour products only one or two minutes,

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sometimes I just count and the countingis this kind of my meditation of
like counting the seconds of how longthe dose will be. But yeah,
so you know that's it. It'sa simple, simple device and and focusing
on uh, you know, justwhat's what's important, and that's the gimba
and that's that's kind of the coreof my methodology for baseless and you know

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again, you know, you seeguys like uh simperious kind of talking about
he uses a lot of those leanterms like pareto principle and you know,
hasan and some of this stuff.They all kind of borrow this from running
at efficient business. But also it'sgood for your lifestyle and how do you
run like a very efficient life oflike, you know, just focusing on

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what's important for your own life andtrying to cut out the wastes of you
know, in lean engineering and stuff, we don't want to like do things
that are unnecessary. We just wantto focus on what's important. Yeah,
and and touch on what we youjust said a little bit ago, was
I think we need to be presentand meditative in it, you know,
just like anything else everything. Imean, I'm sure there's no research on

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it, but just when you're morefocused on the thing in hot hand,
there's uh, I think it worksbetter. For example, you know,
just eating, you know, mindfuleating, which is you know, some
way I teach clients and people arebeing more aware of because people are so
distracted, playing on their cell phones, disconnected of a family unit, no
more family dinners, you know,and they're eating this food that they may

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have spent money on or they spendall this time cooking, but they don't
really taste it because they're so distractedand they're not connected. I mean,
there is research on that, Iknow with food that like when we're mindfully
eating whatever we're eating, if wehave more respect for the food and we're
not like you know, having anegative feeling towards the food, a more
positive feeling no matter whether we considerit healthy or not. That it digests

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better. You tend to eat slower, which is better for the metabolism,
Your absorption rate is better. Allthese things are better from the food aspects.
So I like to believe. Idon't know if there's any research on
it for red light, but Ithink just about anything, like even working
out, when you're more focused onthe workout, when you're more focused on
the muscle stimulation, you're growing musclemore like anything you focus on tends to

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improve or grow or whatever. SoI'd like to believe that if you're more
focused on your red light session,no matter whether it's one minute or ten
minutes, that you're getting more ofthe benefit of it. I you know,
that's just my thought process, becauseeverything else there is science to back
when you're more focused and mindful inthose areas. So I would say,
yeah, let's not get all thebluetooth and doing all the other stuff.

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Let's just be in the moment,which is so hard for so many right,
Like I mean for me even.That's why I've read the two books
I talk on this, especially mysecond one about and I got a chapter
titled I Got a Comfort through Discomfort, and I talk about some of the
things I talk about red light.I talk about cold plungers, but I
talk about just you know, calmingyour mind. And I specifically talk from

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my personal experience of being through allthe trauma. I was so hard to
quiet the mind, and how thatcould be uncomfortable for a lot of people,
but I have found such a massivebenefit. So like for those that
are like that gets in front ofa red light red light, do some
just mindful meditation. I like whatyou said there, Maybe just count the
seconds, you know, one hundredand twenty seconds or two minutes and just

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do it. Cool man, Soyou've talked a little bit, but what
else do you want to die?As far as like how you guys differentiate,
Like you've touched on the cost,but I for people that haven't looked
like some of these things are inLike we're talking in the three, four
or five, even tens of thousandsof dollars for a fricking light, and
I just think this has some majorhealth There should be an economical tool for
people that maybe can't always go tothe doctor, that don't have insurance the

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way things are here in America,and like here's a nice healing thing out
there. So we're definitely gonna talkabout all of the benefits, but you
know, maybe we could talk aboutthat here as well, of like why
people that are that are listening,like why they should really do the research
on a quality red light and whythey should possibly why it might be right
for them, but also just youknow, how you guys are different.

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Yeah, yeah, and you know, I do agree with you what you
said about signing an attention of youknow, I'm more about like some of
the targeted smaller devices where you canreally put your intention if you've got allow
pain and you know, knee painor you know wherever it is, nick
pain, back pain, to targetthat area. And you know a lot
of other companies really focus on thebig panels, which are very nice,

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but you know, putting that intentioninto the spot that you're targeting, you
know, that can really do verywell. And you know, with getting
sunlight, with getting grounded, withgoing outside, you know that also you
know, gets a holistic kind offeeling of fresh air and you know,
sunlight, and how can you reallyseparate those variables that you're getting red light
therapy from sunlight, but you're alsogetting grounding and nature and things like that

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too. So again, you know, you can get a lot of benefits
just from going outside in the morningsor you know, whenever you can.
So yeah, I'm all about it. And actually I was going to post
on Instagram soon was one of therecent studies on full body of red light
therapy from fibromyalgia. The placebo groupgot some benefits just by laying down inside
the bed without the you know,they don't turn on the lightsage I think

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they just turn on the fence tokind of give you the usion that it's
on to the placebo group did getsome benefits just by relaxing, laying down
in the bed and thinking that they'regetting the therapy. So it was it
was pretty cool. So I'm goingto post about that soon because you know,
again maybe that's part of the therapyis just standing in front of your
panel or using your panel. It'slike sitting down, getting into a relaxed

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state, focusing on what you're tryingto heal. You know that that's all
very profound in addition to you know, obviously all the science that backs up
bread light therapy. So yeah,so I'm fully on board with that.
But yeah, like I said,with what differentiates us again, a lot
of our smaller products, we don'tput fans inside the smaller products, which

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again eliminates the noise, eliminates alot of the EMFs because the fans are
kind of this rotating little you know, electric magnet and that's what creates the
oscillating magnetic field. And you know, some people, you know, you
can have a cute issue with thatof you know, getting a stress response
or it can you know, shootyour cortisol or you know, call some

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issues for certain people, or youknow, obviously there might be some current
concerns with long term exposure to EMPsand that people are trying to avoid.
So you know, that's been abig focus ever since we started. Yeah,
that's interesting, you say, becauseI've got a larger panel at home
that has like a fan on,and I never even thought about there being
an increase in EMF. What areyour thoughts on I don't know if you

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have any thoughts on like like,for example, I have like these maybe
I have it on me I shouldlike some of these EMF devices that are
like like arees tech and stuff likethat. Do you think those are beneficial
while doing red lights or even aroundon this? I mean, I know
there's some research about some of thatwith that help and aid or lessen the
effects of EMF. So you know, yeah, there's a lot of different

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techniques you know, to reduce theMS. So that's why most manufacturers tell
you to be oh you got tobe at least six inches away or twelve
inches away because they know they're generatingthat EMF, so they want you to
be comfortable and that get overexploded tothe EMFs, so you know, again
that's why and if they can kindof increase the power to compensate for the
distance loss. But again, youknow, I kind of talk about with

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a lot of my science is thatif you can get skin contact, that's
the best way for optimal absorption andpenetration with the red light therapy device.
And obviously you kind of have tofocus on reducing the EMFs and make sure
people aren't over exposed. But yeah, you know, you can combine it
with again even you don't have todo it during, but like before or

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after, do some grounding that kindof helps dissipate the electric charge that you
could build up. Some of theYeah, some of the tools like the
errors tech. You know, Idon't think that's you know, reducing the
actual measurable field in your area,but you know, again it might be
kind of helping you in different ways. I'm not sure how they kind of
promote that product, but you knowa lot of times people say that those

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are more like a harmonizing thing thatkind of makes your body just kind of
acclimate better. Two different types ofthe EMF. But I would flip it
around it when you know, becauseit will reflect the lights and I would
flip it onto your back or somethingwhile you use it. That's a good
point. Yeah. And then youknow, supplements like even you know,
magnesium, vitamin C, you know, help you want to support your mitochondria

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so you don't get as much ofa stress response from the MS. So
again, just having a good diet, bread and near and fred light therapy
can't help because it helps support mitochondriafunction. So again, it can kind
of help you protect your cells fromfrom the you know, we always need
to use our phones and our WiFi and our devices. You know,

(27:37):
I still use them, but youknow, we're sending up ourselves to be
healthy and be protected from EMPs.And you know, you know the biggest
thing is turning off like the WiFiand night putting your phones onto airplane mode
at night and and things like thatat least while you're sleeping. So you
know, in your general vicinity,you want to be sleeping and getting that
rest and you know, let yourcells kind of heal from from being bombarded

(28:03):
all day from our cell phones.Yeah. Yeah, and there was there's
a couple of things that you've postedthat I found fascinating outside of things you
already talked about, and he talkedabout directly on the skin, and he's
got posting I believe it was you. Yeah, yeah, where you have
it like on your shins, andhow that could benefit your whole body.
So encourage you to check that outor we can talk about it a little

(28:23):
bit too, and then of coursegrounding after that. I thought that was
a great tip because I'm also curious, so in my mind and I'm like,
I'm all about efficiency, my mindautomatically codes with I was like,
could I just lay on my backin the grass when the sun is rising,
throw the red light on my shinsand we're covered, right. I
don't know if that's that would totallyhelp, but you know, yeah,
I see people posting, you know, the red lights outside, and I'm

(28:45):
like, well, you're already gettinga lot of red light from sunlight.
Yeah, but yeah, there's systemicred light. They target the shins to
stimulate stem cell production. You cantarget the gut and the abdomen to reduce
inflammation in the guy that can helpsupport the brain and the heart and things
like that. So they use itas systemic therapy. So a lot of

(29:06):
the newer studies stret you know,if you want to improve brain helps they
obviously target through the forehead or throughthe scalp. They might combine it now
with the gut and the chins asmore of the systemic effects too. I'm
gonna start laying on my stomach.That's great, man, stomach. It's
really important. Yep. Yeah,and I love it well and for me

(29:26):
too. It's just I've talked aboutthis on here, but I have no
appendix. I was removed in twentyten, and ever since then I've had
to deal with on again, offagain. Uh really just honing in.
I mean I started to getting kolonoscopy'swhat two three years ago, which now
I got to go over five yearsbecause they found too pre cancerous polyps.
And it's just, you know,we know so much more about gut gut

(29:48):
microbiome. They used to think evenwhen I had it removed, you know
how it wasn't important. We didn'tuse it. Now they realize, oh
my goodness, the appendix is soimportant. It regulates gut back to here.
It's highly needed, so finding otherways to not have to remove it
if it becomes inflamed. But anyways, yeah, so I'm always looking for
tools. I've really had to honein my diet. This is how I
coach more people in like anti implammatoryeating. But like, if there's tools

(30:11):
out there, yeah, I meanI'm gonna start doing that. That's that's
great. I'm sure I'll find somebenefits I have just from like the spot
checks that I've done lately. Soman, thanks for that. You talked
about placebo though, and we gotme thinking too. To touch back on
food. Man, it's so amazing, Like if we believe it works or
believe there's a thing that's working,you know how beneficial that is. There
was a study done years ago aboutfood, and it was they took people

(30:36):
who had a healthy They took peopleand different groups and they basically gave them
similar foods and like cheeseburgers, frieslike what we would home. We would
like title is bad food or unhealthy. But they took people to have like
a healthy relationship with food, who'relike, hey, this is going to
do nothing. It's just as cheeseburgerand fries like you know, I love
it, you know, and thesepeople that like had this you know,

(30:57):
oh my god, Like the naketivetowards it, and the people that had
more of a positive outlook that itwasn't going to affect them actually lost a
way as opposed to the people thathad like a negative outlook to the same
exact food. And so you know, your belief systems are powerful on all
this. So I just wanted toshare that you're talked a little bit about
our ROLT. You know, canyou talk about the importance of scientific studies

(31:18):
backing ROLT and how this research influencesthe design and the efficacy there at Gamba
Red and your products. Yeah,yeah, I mean, you know,
it kind of started out with theselow level lasers and you know, more
and more recently, starting in thelate nineteen nineties, NASA did some experiments
they brought you know, red lightsin some space that first they had kind

(31:42):
of acted as grow lights, butthen they found, you know, it
could help with wound healing and cellularmetabolism. So that was about the pivotal
point when you know, LEDs werebeing accepted more as to living red light
therapy. And that's great because redLEDs are much safer and lasers, they
are not as highly regulated, they'remuch cheaper than lasers. So LEDs,

(32:05):
you know, are are kind ofwhat's the consumer grade kind of thing to
make sure they're very safe. Theythey're more kind of diffused, so they
you know, they can't can't reallydamage your eyes unless you really use high
intensities, so you know, that'sthat's a big aspect of it. And
then yeah, just looking through thescience and finding these kind of optimal ranges
for intensity, you know, sometimesthey use as well as you know,

(32:28):
some recent studies they found two pointnine milliwats percentimeter squared and then you know
studies go up to about fifty milliwatspercent of meter square. So it's a
huge range, which is a goodthing. It's kind of like you have
this big window. Then you can'treally do it wrong with red light therapy
unless you're really reckless. And thenthere's dosing ranges, so you want a
certain amount of intensity, and thenyou need a certain amount of exposure time,

(32:52):
you know, to get enough energyso the power you know, power
times time gets the energy. Sothere's all these kind of dose calculations.
I have some free calculators on myblog. Oh nice and yeah, yeah,
and that's actually gone really faciliar latelybecause I think, you know,
people are getting you know, thatkind of education from other companies, so

(33:14):
they'll find my dosing calculators. Youjust punching your your intensity numbers and your
your dose that you want and tellsyou how much exposure time you need,
and you know, and then youwant kind of a what what is that
dose of? Like usually the doseis called this energy density, it's the
Jewels percentimeter square, you know,the amount of energy that's absorbed. So

(33:36):
it takes a certain amount of time, but again you know, it could
be anywhere from you know, someof the lasers to one or two minutes,
like like one of my my latestdevices, but some of my original
devices are fifteen to twenty minutes perjust to lay it on. You know,
it's a big square unit. Youjust lay it on. You can't
read the overdose and you know it'smore of a systemic effect too, Like

(33:58):
I said, it's not about likeyou know, red and near and fred.
The special thing about that is thatdoes penetrate deep into the skin,
deeper than any other wavelengths from thesunlight spectrum because we have what's called like
an optical window where melon in andblood absorption are low, and then water
absorption is also very low. Sothis range from six hundred animeters up to

(34:21):
about eleven hundred nanometers is that bestkind of penetration range. And again,
so that's good because you know,we want the light to reach into the
like maybe the muscles, or asmall percentage can reach the brain or certain
orients and help with that stimulatory responseto get that healing going and increase ATP
production. So you know, it'sall about kind of an adequate dose and

(34:43):
penetration. But also there's a lotof systemic effects that we don't really have
a good grip on. So youknow, there's a lot of variables,
a lot of factors, and that'swhat I break down in a lot of
my blogs with a lot of scienceand you know, like I said,
just make I just make you know, simple products with the right wavelengths,
the right intensity, and give peoplesome guidelines about how to use it,

(35:06):
how many minutes to apply it,how to use it for skincare versus deep
tissue. So you know, youend up using a little bit you know,
higher intensity or you know, moreenergy. It's for for deeper tissue,
and for superficial tissue like skincare,you use a little bit lower.
So you know, it's all theselittle variables, but the product, you
know, it's very simple, youknow, I don't try to over complicate

(35:29):
it. You get a product andyou aim it at you, and you
get some exposure and do it routinely. Do it at least two or three
times a week. Most people endup doing it daily or you know,
you can skip a day or twoa week, but most people end up
doing it daily. Yeah, Iuh, just because of I have one
of those larger ones, and I'munsure I've been doing it for about ten

(35:51):
minutes. You know, I'd loveto dive into if that's enough, but
I don't have the you know,the information on the red light on I
could maybe google it real quick orlook at up but you know, but
that that's about what I have.And I usually take a day off because
you know, the exposure of EMFand and question about yours though, like
the one you gave me and whatI've been doing, and let me know
if it's it's good or not,and if you want to say which one

(36:14):
it is, because I don't rememberthe name of it, but it's I've
been doing like one to two minutelike spot on skin on a couple of
different areas, so like you know, like my elbow, like I said,
and I'm gonna probably start doing mystomach and then I'll like like just
set it in front of you know, just on the ground in front of
my feet or whatever where I'm likea couple inches away from it for like
you know, the rest of thatten minutes. Is that am I getting

(36:35):
benefit? Is there anything wrong withthat? You know? Is that that
sounds good? Yeah? Yeah,do a few minutes on your problem areas.
Like we said, you can dostands or stirring them for try to
target those bones or stem cell stimulationand then yeah, through the gut or
whatever. And then yeah, youknow some people just sayd up putting it
on their desktop. You know,some of my smaller panels put on the

(36:59):
desktop have that as like a nicekind of just more of an ambien if
you have it, so you know, people just looking at that for like
a long period of time. Youcan do that for long period the time.
Yeah, it's pretty good. Imean the device will warm up,
Yeah, the device will warm upto you know a little bit, but
you can you can leave it on. You know, it's not just so
nice. So they can run.Yeah, so so people you know,

(37:20):
and a lot of people are tryingto get into that too, because we've
you know, we've banned the incandescentbulbs, we've banned a lot of the
near infrared wavelengths that were you know, naturally found in incandescent bulbs and you
know, fireplaces and things like that, and you know, maybe that's taking
a toll on our health too,is that we're not getting those longer wavelengths.
We're not getting the deeper reds thatyou know, a white led bulb

(37:44):
doesn't emit any deep breads, itdoesn't emit any near in front. So
the absence of those wavelengths might bepart of why we're seeing all this mitochondrial
dysfunction where we're not getting outside andnow we're banned from having an incandescent bulb.
So a lot of people want,you know, kind of these red
leg panels as kind of a solutionto bring back in these these kind of

(38:05):
more beneficial wavelengths, even if it'smore like an ambient light, you know,
that's an important aspect that maybe weneed to figure out how to bring
near and fred back into the house, just as like an ambient you know,
kind of background, weight, length, yeah, and something else he
posts on his page, and I'llput here it's like, you know,
and correct me if I'm wrong inthis, but it's like how to spot
quality ones. And I thought itwas so cool. It reminded me of

(38:29):
et where if you put your handon it and it just shows shines through
your nail. And I'm like,and I and I have three different brand,
yours and two others at my house, I mean like essentially, and
I have gotten over the years,and and yours was the only one where
I put my hand on it andit's showing right through my finger. I
was like, huh, yeah,right, And you know you could put

(38:52):
you put your finger on the backof your flashlight on your phone or a
standard flashlight, and you see yourfinger lights up and it's mostly the red
because, like I said, thatoptical window, you only get the red
penetrate through and then like if youput it on a white flashlight, the
green and the blue gets superficially absorbedand only the red kind of illuminates your
finger. But yeah, you know, it's not always about deep penetration.

(39:15):
But like with that one I sendyou, it's called the spasier model that
one I've really optimized to get thedeep penetration, because a lot of companies
are claiming, oh, yeah,you'll get this great penetration, but then
you're six inches or twelve inches awayfrom the panel, which causes a lot
of reflection losses from your skin,and it just doesn't get that optimal kind

(39:35):
of tissue compression that you really needto get the deeper penetration. But like
I said, it's not all aboutdeep penetration. I think the industry and
the hype around that of like,oh I got a good deep penetration,
but there's a lot of like systemicsuperficial mechanisms, Like it gets into your
blood strains, so no matter whereyou target, if you use a full
body light or use a targeted light, gets into your blood streams. So

(39:59):
a lot of studies will put iton the wrist and you'll get into unstring
that way. Yes, you don'tneed like these big ones per se,
And yeah you always many need thebig ones. I think they're not you
know, they're nice. If youcan engulf yourself and lay all the way
around you, like you said that, you get like that's like a nice
spa like experience, and you know, it does have a lot of good

(40:22):
effects. But there's actually only Ithink my account is up to like twelve
or thirteen studies on that actually usefull body red light therapy out of the
thousands of studies that have used youknow, smaller devices laser, small handheld
clusters of LEDs that they use onthe skin. So there's still a lot
we don't know about properly dosing anddoing full body red light therapy. So

(40:46):
we like to assume bigger is better. Interesting, but that's not always the
case. Well, that's such theAmerican way, right, This is good.
Let's go hard, you know,like fasting is good. Let's starve
myself for five days, you know, working on is good. Let me
like never take a day off.We've talked a little bit on this show
about that. It's just like somemany times in the older I get it
seems less as more in just gettingsome of it in, right, So

(41:08):
I think that's so good. Here'swhat It just popped in my head because
I was looking at the other day. So there's this thing I didn't know
that there. Again, I wantto know if it's just good marketing or
if it's the real deal there.I saw that there's like red light therapy
for your nose. Now have youseen this? Oh yeah, Well I'm
curious go ahead, because I'm curiousif it worse, because like for me,

(41:30):
I found I had to go toyour nose and throat. I had
a cough for three months. I'vebeen doing like this nasal spray and I
got it. I got this wholemorning treatment. It's just that I got
to do every morning at night nowand it's helping. But I'm like,
man, if there's something I gothere, I could just put a red
light in my nose for five minutesand that'd be awesome because I don't have
a deviated septum, but I havea shifted septum and my left nostrils really

(41:51):
inflamed. Doctors don't know why.I had a lot of sinus infections when
I was younger, and so it'slike it's like i can breathe super amazing
through my right nostril and I'm likegassing for air, which has caused some
like nasal drip and some really hardchesting congestion in my left lung. All
in the last year. I'm areally healthy guy. I'm like, I've
tried all these things, but thisis sort of helping, this nasal spray

(42:13):
and like not the netty pop,but like this squirt thing. That's what
I have to do and it's helping, but it's not one hundred percent.
So I'm curious because they're not thatexpensive either. I saw one who was
like, I think thirty or fortybucks. I'm like, oh, if
it works, that's totally worthy.Yeah yeah, but I'm curious. Well,
it just bup to my head.I'd love to know, if not
for the listeners, at least formyself. For you sure, yeah,

(42:35):
yeah, you know, sometimes yougot to be selfish, and you know,
I like to so I think aboutwhen I design my problems. I'll
like, I want this product forme, and then you know, maybe
other people will like it, butat least I like my own product.
Yeah, but you know, Butso I've seen the nasal things, and
there's a couple of me called vLight vie Light that's done a bunch of
research and they do an internasal unitbecause there is not just for you know,

(43:00):
sinuses. I've seen some of thedevices marketed for sinuses, but a
lot of them will market that oh, you're targeting up your nose. You're
bypassing the skin and targeting kind ofthe base of your brain, which I
don't think gets a lot of penetrationinto your brain that way. But the
other thing is that you get alot of blood throw blood flow through your

(43:21):
nose, like if you ever gota nosebleed, So you get a lot
of systemic benefits from doing it upyour nose. So there are, yeah,
there are a lot of devices,and you know, I think they
would work for sinuses. I dolike a little flashlight, you know,
or a small device, and I, yeah, I go around my sinuses
up on my cheeks and on myyou know, in between my my eyebrows,
and I go around the cheeks andthat helps kind of clear out my

(43:44):
sinuses. So I do that atnight with like a flashlight sight device.
You can get them for like thirtybucks on Amazon spread after this recording my
own, So yeah, I meanagain, and you know, there's so
many companies kind of rebranding it.They're all kind of the same thing.
So you know, you can justget a cheap flashlight type device and yeah,

(44:06):
go around the cheeks and go aroundthe sinus. Serious to get that
kind of cleared out. So Inow I don't like shoving stuff up my
house because well, and there's somany people here, at least in Rochester,
New York area and western New Yorkand where it gets colder, especially
since COVID, and you know,people's cold and flus are getting weirdly different.
So you know, breathing is hugeand it affects us in so many

(44:27):
ways. So if there's a toolutthere, could I even just put the
light you gave me, like onmy face or is that? Yeah?
I would just try to cover yourtry not to get it on your go
around the size. Yeah. God, So I got some of those like
like whatever you call them, likeyou seem like ale or I have some
of those. Yeah, yeah,I've been wearing those just precautionary measure man.
So I wonder if people listening arewondering, like red light, you

(44:51):
really just sit in front of it, and does are these amazing things?
Yeah? It can as long asit's quality, like we've been talking about,
so it might seem almost too goodto be true. So how do
you address some of the skepticism andjust ensure transparency and trust and like your
products. Uh yeah, yeah,I mean that's that's been the basis for
for what I've been doing, isbeing transparent with gotten third party testing on

(45:12):
intensity and weight lengths and verifying allthat through all my therapy panels, so
I get that testing in. I'mactually honest about it that I've noticed a
lot of my competitors they claims havethird party testing, but they're still lying
about their intensity. Anyway, ifyou're telling me people are lying, make
a buck being sarcastic. But it'scrazy wi yeah, yeah, but you

(45:35):
know they get they're getting smarter becauseI keep calling them out and then instead
of stopping, they just find outa new loophole or a new kind of
wording around what I call them outon. It's just like whack them all.
It's like out of like I justcan't even keep up with it.
So I've tried to, like I'vekind of reeled back because it's just like
I'm actually helping them make their livesmore sophisticated by calling them out. So

(45:58):
you rampage Scott just because of likehow he calls calls them out on their
bs anyway, Scott, when Iget in a certain mood, it's just
like, how could they even likegetting away with this. But you know,
in a part part of it,you know, I think I think
it's important to have like informed consent. Like I think we just went through
a lot of years where medical devicesand medical treatments where we weren't getting the

(46:22):
full story and we weren't getting youknow, our own choices. But I
think that trickles down into the alternativehealth industry that we think we're doing something
great. Oh, it's like therapy. No one's trying to hurt me,
no one's trying to scam me.We're all just doing uh you know,
uh, you know, kind ofhippie kind of crunchy stuff, and we

(46:42):
all want to help each other out. But there are a lot of people
that are taking advantage of false advertising, making plans that they shouldn't, superiority
claims that you know, higher intensitiesmagically are better, you know, And
so I'm really grounded with that.And again, so my products are very
simple and no frills. And thenyou know, my my blogs are very
well recognized. You know, evena lot of you know, experts and

(47:06):
a lot of people in social media, they go to my blogs and they
kind of get the real deal ofeverything's just meticulously cited and sourced. I'll
have at least a dozen references onall my blogs. Some of them I
have up to like seventy references allfrom pub med so it's really legit.
So you can back all this upwith like really cleared you know, you

(47:30):
know, independent h you know,peer reviewed research. So that's you know,
part of where the traction is comingfrom. People being more open minded
to accepting red light therapy, haveseeing these studies and seeing all this,
and then like I said, Ithink a lot of it is starting to
travel through word of mouth that ifyou share your success story, then hey,
you know work for your elbow,mean you should try it out.

(47:52):
And you know, the lower costkind of barrier to entry that you know,
my device is you know, acouple hundred dollars, you know,
three hund four hundred bucks for agood you know product, a good quality
product that gets you good results.You know, that's not terrible, you
know, compared to some of thesystems that, like you said, are
thousands and tens of thousands. Theykind of encourage you to kind of over

(48:15):
buy and over consume or you know, you can start out, like I
said, really cheap with sunlight.You can get an incandescent heat lamp for
twenty bucks at your hardware store.You know, So I don't I don't
try to stop people. If youwant to start somewhere cheap, you can
get that red flashlight for thirty orforty bucks on Amazon and start somewhere cheap
and try it out, and youwill be surprised that how good it is,

(48:37):
and then you'll be more comfortable tocome to me and get, you
know, the more premium products whenyou're ready, you know, before we
wrap it up, because run heresoon we'll be wrapping it up. But
you know, is there? Ihave a couple more questions. One of
them is like, it doesn't matterwhat time of day, Like I've read
some places, you know, inthe morning. You know. I've read
some places before bed. I've readsomething you shouldn't use it late at night.

(49:00):
It might affect your sleep, Likeis there when I think the studies
kind of seem to lean towards doingthe morning seems to work better because that's
kind of when our ATP is kindof building up and our mitochondria function is
building up, and so that someof the studies that they did on ihealth
worked best in the mornings, andsome of the ATP stuff worked best in

(49:23):
the morning. And it kind ofpreconditions your cells to work kind of optimally
because during the day you're going tobe stressed and physical stress and mental stress,
so I think it helps out withthat. But I wouldn't stop people
if you you know, if youhave to do it at a certain time,
at any time of day in theevenings, like I said, just
don't you blast your eyes and yourface with bright red light at night,

(49:45):
because that could you know, kindof shut down the beltone and production.
But overall, you know, youcan still do it on the evening on
your chest, on your stomach,on your back, and as long as
you kind of avoid the eyes inthe face. But you know, and
just experiment what works best for yourlifestyle, and you know, see works,
you know, And I'll tell youthis, Like so I have the
red lens glasses that were at night, massive difference. I notice a and

(50:09):
like just it definitely prepares my mind. So I end up putting I want
to say these. A couple ofyears ago, my kids I turned their
night lights into red light. Ijust got cheap little you know, from
home depot or whatever red lights onthere, and it's made a difference in
them like easing into bed as wellturning off I call their normal light turn
off the sun, and it's madea different So I just want to show

(50:31):
that. One of the one thingthough before we wrap it up, is
like I have you're the only onethat I know that's talking about this.
So for those who don't know,my wife is black, so we have
three biracial children, he's the onetalking about like skin tone and red light
therapy. And I love that.You know, you're you're you have an
open mind, You're thinking about notjust white people here, So I think
that's great. So you've discussed theeffects of skin tones and red light therapy

(50:53):
efficacy. Can you elaborate on likegemba Read's products and the design and how
they cater to diverse skin types andensure effectiveness for like all users. I
love that all users. Yeah,yeah, I think that's really key.
And you know, unfortunately a lotof the studies are are kind of biased
towards Caucasian skin types of just youknow where it was studied and Russia and

(51:14):
western Western worlds and yeah, andyou know, I saw this a lot
of studies, you know, oncosmetics and dermatology. That's a big issue
when they do the high intensity lasertreatments, and you know, you get
it's very important of a safety issuewhen you use on darker skin types because
the melanin in the skin absorbs itmuch more rapidly and superficially, and that

(51:36):
causes heat damage and that causes moreproblems. So it's not as much of
a problem with photobiomodulation because they normallyuse lower intensity, so they're supposed to
be low intensity that should be mostlysaved for all skin types. But you
know, they found if you useyou know, excessively high intensities or high
doses, then the people with thedarker skin types will get you know then

(51:59):
add event, you know, fromrelatively lower doses, so that could be
hyperpigmentation. So we did a bigblog last year about the LANSMA and hyperpigmentation
and people with Fitzpatrick types three andabove are more prevalent to get you know,
the hyper pigmentation response from you know, any kind of light therapy.
And again it should be very rarewith red and near and for it it

(52:21):
happens more with blue and UV,but it still is. It could be
a possibility you get too much heatand that causes too much ros in the
skin and then you get a hyperpigmentationresponse. And so that led me into
doing more research on like how muchscience is there on darker skin types,
and you know, I got youknow, I try to list out all
my references and try to give thatas a resource, you know, for

(52:43):
people to have. And you know, it's about preferring the near infrared wavelinks
if you can using relatively lower intensityso you don't get too much heat.
And you know, you might needa little bit more of a dose if
you've got a darker skin type butyou have a deeper tissue issue because you
need to reach the deeper tissue.So yeah, all my products are you

(53:06):
know, relatively lower intensively, soshould be safe for all skin types.
You know, if someone has aquestion, I could recommend a specific product
that's a little bit more tuned fordarker skin types and the lighter skin types
overall. Yeah, you know,there's something we have to keep in mind
to optimize it for everyone, thatthe parameters are going to be a little
bit different and I did a blogactually a couple of years ago about females

(53:29):
and males, so that that couldhave a difference too. Dude, hopefully
your blog takes off after this episodebecause you've talked a lot about it.
Sounds like there's a lot of valuableinformation there, so you know your vision.
And for Gimma red and red lightthere has become as common as a
toothbrush and household. So one,how are you working towards making these advices
more accessible and user friendly? Andwhere do you see the future of red

(53:52):
light therapy in Gimba red and shapingthat for sure? Yeah, and I
think you know. Offering products soyou know, I try to keep them
as affordable and competitive as possible.And again, if you you know,
if you can't buy from me,you know I try to measure, you
know. I've measured some products onAmazon. I've measured some products on Ali
Baba and Ali Express, So youknow, I try to help people get

(54:14):
the education and empowerment that you don'talways have to buy for me. I
don't want to be a charlatan andsay oh I'm the only one, right,
so the right product for everyone,but mostly I am, But overall
you know, we try to beas inclusive as possible and make it affordable.
I think that's key. And thenjust the education, having a strong

(54:35):
foundation in the science and not toget to gimmicky, not to get too
wrapped up in kind of pseudoscience,and be very kind of grounded in that
science. And I think that's howwe build a strong foundation and we get
it more and more into the mainstream. I think that's great too. It's
like I had somebody on here lastyear who I asked him, you know,

(54:55):
if you could snap your fingers andhave one big unicorm and he would,
like you said, a sauna anda cold plunge on every city block.
But like community base. He's lookingat the community base as well as
the mental and physical benefits to him. And so like you're with the red
light like a toothbrush in every houseand be interest see what our homes look
like. And why do we needall this when we didn't need it for
a thousand years? Because I trulybelieve, and maybe you can chime on

(55:20):
this, is that our environments havebecome so artificial that we need these tools
and these devices, and you know, things were so much harder physically and
mentally, I believe, but nowthings are more physically and mentally harder today
because of like how easy essentially thingshave gotten and how artificial things have gotten.
So we need these tools, well, we need quality tools. And
that's why he was on here todayand wanted to invite them to want to

(55:42):
educate you all the listeners on thetruth the facts, because it's like,
I feel like everything gets lost intranslation that people just freeze up and don't
get it or think it's pseudoscience likeyou said, or they might buy one
just because of great marketing or aFacebook ad, but it's like, you
know, you need to go tothis guy's page and to check them out.
So like one final thing, likewhat advice would you give someone like
interested in trying red light for thefirst time, and how should they approach

(56:06):
integrating this into their wellness routine.Yeah, I think there's so many options,
and just think about, you know, what your goals are for health
and wellness, and you know,look up you know, some of the
studies or look up some of thebenefits and see how that could fit with
you. If it's just sleep,if it's you know, more energy,
if it's you know, pain,inflammation. Like I think everyone's got a

(56:28):
little bit of something that they canwork on or just have red light theraps
I kind of band aid. Ifyou do have an issue, an acre
of pain that kind of cops propsup, then then you can have red
light therapy. A lot of peoplewill buy on you know, expedited shipping
because they find, oh, no, I just bought my elbow, Now
I need to order something real quick. But you know, there's there's so

(56:49):
many different ways you can use it. Start with something simple, something manageable,
handheld or whatever. Or you know, I think a lot of people
like the full body stuff because youdon't really have to think about where your
target. You just get your wholebody and get that holistic kind of you
know, light into you and getthat energy, and you know, just
focus on low doses, low intensitiesthat have that stimulatory response. Because like

(57:13):
you said, there's more isn't better, So don't get into that trap of
like, oh, I'm going toget all these benefits by just do a
ton of red light or do highintensity, or do high doses, or
cover my whole body. That lessis more, Especially with red light therapy,
A lot of the science says,you know, it's got that or
metic curve that biphasic dost response ofyou know any you know, any drug

(57:35):
can be poison and if you havetoo much of it. So the same
thing with red light therapy. Sothey've got that that ushap curve that more
isn't better. So yeah, i'dsay, you know, and again don't
overthink it. Starts with something simple. Start with sunlight, red light,
you know, a simple device.And you know, we don't want to
make it more complicated. You know, I can make it complicated and dig

(57:55):
into the science all day long,but try to reel it back and say,
hey, just shine this light onyou side it where it hurts,
and that's all you need to know. Yeah, he's not trying to I
love that. I mean, he'snot trying to get you to buy anything.
I'm not trying to get you tobuy anything. I'm just trying to
educate you, just like he is. And you could go outside, but
you know, or you can geta flashlight he set or red light and
can dint light at home deep orlows. But I just recommend these things,

(58:19):
especially for people like us at wherewe don't see the sun. Except
for today and this week, whichis weird in the middle of winter,
but I'm sure it'll snow. Wetalked about that. But yet there needs
to be tools and you need tobe in front of it because you know,
he's talking about the physical. We'vetalked about the mental, but you
know, especially for the mental,the sun is your friend, but has
been demonized, just like Fats wordduring the eighties and nineties, and now

(58:40):
the sun is being demonized. Andthere are benefits to a lot of these
things in nature. But again,it's like what he said, less is
more. If we're in the sunall day, it can be detrimental.
We're at it during certain times ofthe day. He's talking about sunrise,
sunset type stuff, so just keepthat in mind as well. Is there
anything else you like to say beforewe wrap it up? Anything we left
off? One more thing? Imean, obviously you can you can or
your Instagram here, you talk aboutyour blog, will put those in the

(59:01):
show notes. But anything else you'dlike to add. Yeah, one thing,
I'm not sure if we did toomuch on safety. So red light
therapy, red and neared red light, you know, in these wavelengths are
super safe. You know, Again, it comes naturally from sunlight. So
whatever your condition is, if youcan spend twenty minutes outside, you can
usually get some red light therapy veryvery safely. Again, and you know,

(59:22):
don't just steer directly into a highintensity red light into your eyes.
You know, so concern but Iwas, But I'm glad you brought it.
The thing is is always a bigquestion. But you know, for
eye health, it helps with eyehealth at low intensity is and low dose.
And so most of my products,again I make them the right amount

(59:45):
of intensity as long as you're anadequate distance away, a couple of inches
away, then it's there's no problemfor your eyes, and it's it should
be beneficial. So you know,again, if you have a sensitivity,
you could wear goggles or if youwant to wear it, you know,
use your device really close. Thenthat's where you put some eye shielding on.
Generally, you don't treat directly onany cancerous cells unless your doctor approves

(01:00:07):
it. But you might be ableto treat other parts of the body that
you know don't have any cancer.And you don't want to know that,
you know, treat it. Yeah, you don't want to, you know,
if you don't want to aggravate itor stimulate it in the wrong way.
So some studies, you know,they will use high intensity lasers to
try to kill cancer cells. Butagain, you know, it's a very
complex kind of thing. You gotto work with your doctor. And in

(01:00:30):
pregnancy it's it's not really an issue. But the precaution is just not to
aim it at the abdomen. Andyou can do the back if you have
you know, back pain from pregnancyor your feet or wherever else you want.
But you know, again they've donesome studies on you know, chicken
embryos and there's no problem, butyou know, just to be precautious,
you know, we don't know aboutpregnancy yet. Otherwise, a thyroid,

(01:00:54):
you know, some people say tomonitor you know, your thyborid, but
it could help with thyborid health.But again you might want to work with
your doctor. But otherwise those areif you've got to I see, you've
got tattoos, so the same thingwith darker skin types. You might feel
more heat from your tattoos because ofthat dark pigment absorbing the light more superficially.
So if you feel a lot ofheat, you might want to you

(01:01:15):
know, take a few inches awayor let it cool off and not spend
too much time right on the tattooor tattoos or sometimes an indication for that.
So yep, I didn't think aboutthat. That's great information. And
one thing that popped up there waslike, you know, people might be
wondering, you know, it wouldten minutes in the red light equate to

(01:01:37):
ten minutes in the sunset or sunrise. It depends on the intensity. But
yes, the ideal actually intensity rangeis a lot of times is close to
mimicking the sunlight. With that,we've like focus from red to near and
fred. So a lot of thestudies they say, you know, the
ideal intensity range does mimic sunlight,so that's good. And again some companies

(01:01:58):
I hear them say, oh,we're a thousand times more powerful than sunlight,
which is nonsense because he would justburn yourself. But you know,
you actually want to kind of mimicsunlight and get that as close as possible.
But like I said, with theskin contact min that that's part of
the differentiating factor that you get deeperpenetration for that real therapeutic response, and
the non contact is more like thatsunlight supplement. Got it well, Thank

(01:02:21):
you so much, Andrew. Thishas been enlightening, educational, informational.
I really enjoyed this. Thank youfor coming on today and for those like,
we've got stuff in the show notesin case you miss it in the
beginning. If you enjoyed this,check out his website, check out his
blog, and to save yourself somebucks, use justin ten at the link

(01:02:42):
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