Ep 31: Women’s motorbike coach Meghna Khanna: “I like the wind in my hair”

Meghna Khanna, a Bengaluru-based women’s motorcycle coach, is a Limca Book of Records holder for being the first Indian woman motorcyclist to reach Khardung La, the highest motorable pass in the world. You can have the biggest car in the world, but nothing beats the feeling of the wind in your hair when you ride a bike, she says. “When you ride a motorcycle, you know why a dog sticks their head out of the car,” she remarks. 

For her 10-year-old daughter, it’s a surprise when she sees her father park the bike, “Oh, he knows how to ride too?” Begging her dad to teach her to start a scooter when she was barely a teen, Meghna’s story of the first bike she fell in love with — and later owned — is serendipitous with meeting her husband.

While she goes with the flow, running Levitate, a craft store for 18 years, a preloved store for fashion finds and starting the “Bindi Project”, her passion lies in riding her 1994 Royal Enfield Bullet through dirt roads and forest trails. Listen in!

Chapters:
01:00 Her love for bikes started at age 12
06:20 Her first bike – the Enfield 1994 Bullet — and meeting her husband
10:00 No fear when biking; driving as a new mom
13:20 The Khardung La journey, navigating hairpin bends
23:35 Motorcycling is a solo journey
29:20 Helping hand from bikers
34:10 Coaching across age groups
37:25 Driving responsibly; her dad’s advice
39:20 Stories of women riders
44:38 Wearing many hats
47:10 Moving from Mumbai and starting Levitate in Bangalore
53:43 How preloved works
57:15 Empowering women

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Episode Transcript

(00:03):
Hi, Welcome to Swishing Mindsets.This is an Radha and today I'm speaking
to Magna Kana, a women's motorcyclecoach. She's also a LIMCA Book of
Records holder for being the first Indianwoman motorcyclist to reach Khartunga, the highest
motorable pass in the world. Hi, Magnaw, wonderful to have you here.
Thank you, and Rada, HiDad, thank you for having me

(00:25):
here. Yeah. So now we'redone with that. Yeah. So it's
fantastic that you know you're teaching womenhow to ride motorcycles, and you know
that I've found you through Sima Sinha, who's basically teaching women how to drive
cars. So this is like youjump stray to motorcycles. So tell me,

(00:46):
like you know you, I waswatching all the reels and stuff and
your Instagram handles. You started bikingwhen you were still a teenager and now
you're teaching others. So tell meabout your own love for motorbikes and how
that happened. So I think Iwas about twelve years old and I saw
top Gun and instead of like ofcourse Tom Cruise was all of Tom Cruise

(01:08):
a Maverick, but instead of likefalling in love with him. As such,
I was just enamored with the ideaof I was Tom Cruise, I
was Maverick, and my father wasa fighter pilot in the Indian airports too,
so I think that it was sucha cool thing to, you know,
see him riding that motorcycle on theon the runway and all this full

(01:30):
style. So I really visualized myselfdoing that. Of course, my father
at the time did not have anEnfield. He had a scooter, a
Budgart scooter, but I got Ibullied him actually, as a twelve year
old into teaching me how to ridehis scooter because I was like, if
you don't teach me how to ride, I'm going to get some of your

(01:53):
scrden bachelors to teach me. SoI think he just kind of gave in.
And of course it was like today, I have a twelve years I
have a thirteen year old, andif I think of the days and the
things that I would do when Iwas thirteen, I think, I'm just,
oh my god, it's a bitscary. So yeah, that's how

(02:13):
I bullied him into teaching me howto ride when I was twelve, and
then from there on it were justfriends of my brother and the older like
older friends who just have different motorcycles. And I would just I would,
I would, I would really testerthem to let me ride their bikes and
to teach me and everything. AndI was fifteen when I learned how to
ride the end Field and at thattime it was the biggest motorcycle in the

(02:38):
on the Indian scene. And itwas really like that good degree. You
know, you'd hear it, ifyou'd feel it in your chest when a
motorcycle would go would go past youknow, your house. So I was
really very very very very driven,very rebellious, very much just wanting a

(02:59):
motorcycle all the time. I doanything, I do anything to just get
that bike. And I remember,you know, I was in the car
with my parents and I was tellingmy parents that when I grew up,
when I'm independent, I'm going tohave myself a motorcycle. And I remember
my mother saying that, you know, there's no way that you're going to
have a bike. You're going tohave a four wheeler. If not a

(03:20):
four Miella, you can drive athree wheeler, but they're not going to
be any two wheeler if you know, so they were scared as usual.
Parents would be I have lost family, like I've lost my uncle, I've
lost my own cousin to you know, road accidents and that time back in
the day there was helmets were notcompulsory, and so it has affected,

(03:40):
you know, the people that I'veseen grow up around me and my family,
so I can understand their fear,but and their worry of course,
but it just didn't stop me.So I carried on. I would borrow
friends motorcycles. In college, we'dbe like that typical you know, going
trip on a motorcycle, three girlsriding around Punas where I studied. I

(04:03):
did my graduation there. So yeah, it just carried on like that.
It was I had the most fun. It just really explains to you why
a dog sticks his head out ofthe car. You know, when you
ride a motorcycle, you feel thatyou feel that joy that that dog feels
when he sticks his head out ofthe car. That's a beautiful, Yeah,

(04:29):
it is. I don't think Ican compare it to any other feeling.
That sense of freedom, that thatwind in your hair, that that
that feeling that you get is uh. You know, you can be richest
and you can have the biggest car. But you know, I've seen that
on the highway when you're riding asas a motorcyclist. Right if you take
over, if you overtake a carsooner rather than later, that car is

(04:51):
going to overtake you and be like, you know, and it's almost like
he's trying to save his masculinity.You know that I'm also cool, so
what I could be driving a Pegeroor a Mercedes or whatever land cruiser.
But you know, when a motorcyclistleft that it makes you feel like,
you know, like left out ifyou're not part of that. Yeah,

(05:15):
it's interesting that I also said,you know that you know you have a
thirteen year old and often you knowwhen you I also look back to when
I was younger, you just can'timagine the things you did. I would
steal My father would be taking anafternoon nap because he was, like I
said, he was a fighter pilot, so he'd go he'd go for work
like five am and then come backand then after after lunch, she'd have

(05:35):
a nap and I would I wouldsneak out his scooter like a neutral and
I would just you know, sneakit out of the parking lot, go
for a full round of the airfostation because it was there was no traffic.
There was there was like maybe oneperson walking home at that time,
or a cyclist or one another scooteror it was there was just no traffic.
So it was so much safer today. I mean even today to step

(05:57):
out on the street, it's likeit's scary. That's like even as a
pedestrian. So that those days,of course were different. So today somebody,
if I tell somebody that listened Iwas twelve years old, they were
like, I'm like, don't judgemy parents for it, because I was
really I was one of those veryheadstrong, painful kids, like we just
had to get away, you know. It was I feel bad for my
parents, you know that way totell me, when did you buy your

(06:19):
first motorbig So that's a that's agood story too that the motorcycle that I
ride today, I saw it gettingdone. My friend had bought a second
hand feel And while I was incollege, I used to visit my parents
in Secunderabad because they were posted thereat the time, and I would go

(06:40):
hang out with this friend of minebecause everybody used to hang out at his
place and in his garage he wasdoing up this bike and I was in
love with that Enfield and he hadhe had done it happy it was like
that, you know, I don'tknow if you've seen Greece to the movie,
yes, of course. Yeah,So the boy doing up his more
reorcycle and all of that, andI would ride like and it was a

(07:02):
single seater, but on that therewould be three like there would be like
that they put pushions fill those peopleused to be sitting on that to ride
around the city. And so itwas in my heart that motorcycle. I
totally knew the bike and I hadthe first moved on from there, I
went to Bombay. I was workingcorporate and and my master I had taken
up my job in Bombay and Imet my I met my present husband at

(07:28):
the time, and he told me, he says, you know, and
I've met many people who are sayingthat, you know, your next move
should be to Bangalore City, whichis where I live now. And you
know, I was just like,you can just you know, quit your
job and move to Bangalore city likethat, ess it could be you know,
Bombay's right now, I'm working there. And I met this guy.
And he's just like, you know, if you come to Bangalore, I'll

(07:49):
give you my motorcycle. Okay,i give you my motorcycle. And I'm
just like, you don't know whatyou're saying. Yeah, you knew what
to say. Like you know howthey say a way to a man's heart,
this bully stomach. He knew thatthe way to this woman's heart is
through that motorcycle. Okay. Andthe funniest part is, rather I have
to tell you, is that withoutme knowing, this man, that friend

(08:11):
of mine who had done that motorcyclewhen I was in college, he had
decided to go back to his RDthree fifty, which is another which is
another brand of bikes, and hesold his motorcycle to my youth, my
present husband. Wow, I've noteven met him. I'd not even met
my youth when this had happened.I've not even known that this was happening.
Because you know how you move onand you know, this kind of

(08:33):
my mode on whatever bike sold,he went back to his old bike.
This is remains a romantic story inyour from your area. And can you
imagine I come back here and Iam riding that single seat motorcycle and that
is the bike I ride today.It is a nineteen ninety four Bullet Standard
three fifty. And I'll tell youthat for many years there were no other

(08:54):
bikes. But these days there areso many variations, from Holidavidson to the
Honda to this tattoo that that Wootakes. There's so many to choose from.
But I'm emotionally connected to this motorcycle. I find it difficult to move
on in that sense to do.I will never be able to sell sell
this. It's just too clear tome. So that so that I never

(09:16):
bought about much we actually exchanged.I've given him my kinetic Honda, like
back in the day for like anActivia, you know. And he says,
obviously, you says today that youknow, if I tell anybody that
story, it's like, you know, they'll know you cheated me. My
ten year old daughter when she seesthem on the bike sometimes I'm just like,
just can you park the bike?Can you just move it or something

(09:37):
like that, And he gets onthe bike and my daughter, my my
almost ten year old, she's like, Dad, I didn't know you know
how to ride the bike. Andhe's just like, oh my god,
like she tells him. She tellshim, she's like, I didn't know
you could ride that. I don'tknow you knew how to ride the bike.
And she's like, I know,mama rides the bag because I have
I had my kids. And interestinglyenough, you know there's fear, right,

(09:58):
I mean, I never felt anyfear. I've been up to the
highest notable pass in the world.You're riding on ice. You're like flipping
and sliding and anything can happen.You can ride off the mountain, you
can die. It's like, butI have no fear at the time,
I said, the only I thinkthe fear that came to me was with

(10:20):
my kids, you know, havingmy kids, my first son, and
I'm just like, oh my god, I'm like going to lock you up
in the room and open it whenyou're twenty one years old, you know,
just to keep you safe. Andthat was my initial reaction. And
then I remember, I think hewas just all of three or four months
old, and I was like,I'm going for a ride. I live

(10:41):
at a lake in Bangalore, andI said, I'm going for a right
around the lake, and everybody frommy husband to my nanny to my mother
who was visiting. Everybody was like, and you're taking the child with you.
You're thinking you can go for aride. You can go for a
ride, no where you go,wherever the hell you want to go,
make back, But are you takingthat child with you? And I'm like,

(11:03):
yes, I'm taking that child.So it was a bit like you
know that people make you doubt youryou know, yours self confidence in a
way that suddenly I'm like, ohmy god, everybody has been I've been
riding for so many years. You'renot worried about me. Now you have,
you know, an interest to thisprinciple. And you were saying that

(11:24):
now suddenly I can't ride or youknow, having like a bag in front
of me will not allow me tobe careful or endanger my own child.
So am I? So you startquestioning yourself. You're like, am I
doing the right thing? Is this? Am I being silly? Am I
being you know? Am I beingmy headstrong self? You know? Just
what is that to prove? Whydo you have to take the child on

(11:45):
the bike? And I'm just like, no, I have to move beyond
this peer because more than anybody else'shear was my own fear. So I
just put my child in the bag. There's a baby the carrier, and
I went for a ride. Andnow my kids have their own helmets.
They come with me on bikes.They're on the bike. They're like,
it's a fun thing for them.Yeah, and it's amazing what your daughter

(12:07):
said. But she thinks it's normalfor women to ride bikes. Yeah,
yeah, she's seen. And theapartment that we live in. It's also
interesting that I'm so blessed in thissense that we live in a standalone building,
but we have three sets of friendswho have three floors each floor on
this in this building. So wehave a terrace garden, and we have
our bikes in the basement. Andanother friend of mine in the building also

(12:30):
rides a motorcycles. So it's wehave two enfields in the building which the
two women ride. These two womenride, so I think that the kids
have also grown up seeing them owthe mothers ride, the ride bikes,
and I teach like like I teachwomen. So they see those women coming
in to this compound where I'm teachingthem, so they're like, oh,
you also, how old are you? You know, since when did you

(12:50):
want to ride? So all thesequestions that they ask these women and sometimes
they are thirty, sometimes fort three, sometimes fifty years old and they've been
wanting to do this since they wereteen ages and finally getting to like fulfill
their dreams. You know. Yeah, so I think, yeah, yeah,
before we talk about your becoming acoach, tell me about Kardola.

(13:11):
How did that happen? Yeah,so that's a nice story too, and
read a bit about it. Yeah, and I think that that how that
happened was that I was running astore in Bangalore called Levitate, and I
had some I should sell motorcycle saddlebags, leather saddle bags for the bikes,
and I had somebody come in tocheck it out and this uh well

(13:33):
became a friend of mine and hewas from the Royal and Field and he
said that, listen, this isour first ever. We are planning a
motorcycle ride to Carda from Deli andit's the first one ever. And you
know, we'd love women riders.And you know, if this was back
in two thousand and five, sothere weren't very many women riding at that
time. And this one of minewas like, you know, why don't

(13:56):
you come? And I said,listen, I'd love to come, because
Kardumla is on every motorcyclists you know, bucket list is wish list. But
I said, if I wait formy friends, I might never make it
because I don't I'm not a partof any biker's club or any of that.
But if I have to wait formy friends, I might not make
it. Because everybody's logistics of timetravel this thing, you know, there's

(14:18):
so many there's so many things tothink about. So I said, but
the thing is that I can't bethe only woman riding. I can't be
the only woman on this on thisexpedition. However, open minded, I
am. I need one more woman. Just get me one more woman.
And I am on. Okay,and surely in a week's time. Uh,
this friend of mine such and callme back, and he said,

(14:39):
listen, we have a we havean Australian girl who's joining joining this trip,
and so figure out your scene andcome. I was like, great,
and that is all it took.Like I was just and and this
happened in July. I was gettingmarried in December, so I had a
lot of uh, you know,push back from my folks. And of

(15:01):
course my husband was just like,just go do it like, you know,
just go and live it up.If this is what you want to
do, just go and enjoy it. And that was quite a There was
a two week ride from Delhi Chandigaand Manali and all of that, and
and it was it was sometimes youforget to breathe, you know, you

(15:22):
just when you're riding on a roadthat doesn't exist. There was no road.
Sometimes there was such a big bigstones like about you know, half
of foot sometimes a foot wide.And there were no roads today, I
don't know, like I'm sure Ladakand that area has like butter roads,
you know, because it's so popular. But back in the day, there

(15:43):
were hardly any roads. And therewere rivers. They were like the water
from the mountain would just be flowingacross the road, which would we would
call it a river crossing, likeyou had to cross this road river crossing,
and you know, if you didit at a certain point of the
day, it was maybe up toyour ankles. But if you had to
do it at four or five,when the sun had been out for the

(16:06):
day, the water levels were muchhigher because the snow had melted of the
so then you could get your kneeswet or you know, you could like
and it's just it was scary.Sometimes you just forgot to breathe, you
know, you were just like,ah, I just have to get it.
And then you were just like,oh my god, exale, you
know, exane, just just rememberto breathe it because you focused so much

(16:26):
on the road. It's kind ofmeditative. It was, it was,
it was quite something, and thenit's so once in a lifetime experience.
There were forty two riders, outof which two were women, Rose and
I, and there were some peoplewho were doing this in their forties and
their fifties for the first time intheir life. There was a gentleman and
at some point he was just Imean, got scary, you know.

(16:49):
And at one point he was justlike I can't do this. I'm just
I'm going to go back, Likeyou know, it was almost like picked
me up on the way back,and a lot of people like you know,
then supported them. And of courseyou have acclimatization, so you were
like there were people who had tobe rushed down to like lower altitudes because
they were out of breath. Theyhad like altitude sickness, and luckily for

(17:14):
me, I kind of sailed throughall of that. My motorcycling really evolved.
I met a few people who becamereally good friends of mine, sort
of forty people. I was ridingwith four people, and that was just
I learned how to ride off theroad. There was no road. So
how do you how do you ride? You know, how do you get
this old machine to uh to listento what you want and go where you

(17:37):
want it to go? And itwas interesting because the higher the higher we
went at the petro pumps and everything. You know, we just be filling
up people or something, and youknow, the guys would get talking and
then they would be like, butwhy why this why this motorcycle? This
has so much trouble. It hasso much trouble, right, it is
like a white that can break down, you know, you're always We had

(17:59):
to have a mechanic on board withus. They would be traveling in the
truck, so there was a backthere was a backup vehicle. There was
a lot of support like that,you know, and I had hired the
motorcycles. So, I mean,thirteen twelve days of the ride, everything
was great. On the twelfth day, we were stuck at our pass Sarchu

(18:22):
was the place that we had thestop pat which is more a planes and
then you come to Sartu and therewas basically the road ahead had been blocked
by the border roads because one tankerhad fallen into the valley and the weather
was bad up ahead and all ofthat, and so we were there for

(18:45):
one night. We were there fortwo nights actually because the roads were blocked
up ahead. And then when weleft, we usually would cross a mountain
pass is the highest point of thepass of the mountain, so that's where
the pass is. That's where youcross over the mountain. So that's why
it's the Carla Pass. It's thehighest part of the of the mountain.

(19:07):
And so when we did that,we were really leaving the camp at four
am, so the sun had notrisen, Okay, it was still dark,
and we were trying to beat theempty oil tankers coming down the hill.
So you can imagine that there werelike hundreds of empty oil tankers just

(19:32):
coming down the hill at that thatday. Until the twelfth day, like
I had no fall, I hadnothing but that that the morning just before
that, my bike was making ussome sounds and I'd asked the mechanic to
look at it, and he hadjust readd the bike so hard that the
piston blew. So it was themotorcycle that I could not ride. So

(19:52):
this was all the drama that happened. And a friend of mine who was
with me is from the magazine andhe was just like, listen, I
don't even want to this bike anymore. He was riding a new motorcycle.
I just want to sit in thecar because I have Now I've ridden the
bike, I've got a feel ofit. But I need to get my
He was a journalist, so hesaid, I need to get my photos.
I need to get all my stuff. So I gave him my camera.
Yeah, get my story. SoI gave him my camera and I

(20:14):
took his bike because it was andthat old machine that I had I had
hired for the ride, was putin the truck and would be taken back
to them. So what happened.The interesting part was that I was riding
a brand new motorcycle which had everythingwas tight. It was from the from
the Nfield stables, so everything wasreally tight. And I was riding on
road which had black ice, whichis like a thin layer of ice on

(20:40):
the road because the sun hasn't comeout, the snow hasn't melted, and
you're trying to cross a pass withthese You're trying to beat these guys.
Basically, you want these forty bikesto go ahead of these empty oil tankers,
right, And I was slipping andsliding and it was really scary.
It was really scary. I meanthat was the culmination of fear in that

(21:03):
sense. And I've come down onehill when it is a like what are
called happin bends. You know howa heppin like something that is sick in
your hair, right, So theheapin bends are like really you know,
quite like a heapen and it's likea U shape, you know that you
have to take. And I havetaken that and the bike has fallen,
that silencer has come off. Iam on the literally on the edge of

(21:27):
that term. I'm on the edge. I'm like a foot away from this
from the valley. I'm just gonnafall thousands of feet into that. And
I remember standing there and I said, I have I've said I am not
moving from this spot till the suncomes up, till this no mells,
till this ice melts. I amnot leaving this like this bike also has

(21:48):
broken down. It's a great excusefor me. I'm not going anywhere because
it's damn crazy to be I'm notable to do it. And there I
see I look up and I seethis oil tanker, this driver, and
he is driving on black eyes andwe are eyes met, and I was
just like, oh my god,he's coming down this. He's coming down

(22:11):
an incline of forty five degrees,sliding like he's sliding, he's kidding down
that and he's like he again,he's about eight inches away from me as
he goes past me. The spacewas like, oh my god, woman,
what the hell are you doing here? You know? And I am
just like, oh my god,don't kill me, like just don't,

(22:33):
just don't bump me off the sail. And that was like, that was
scary. That was scary. Andthen of course we had the backup and
the guys came and fixed the silencerand the bike was okay, and I
was giving a little bit of apep talk, and I was just like,
I just saw my life flash infront of me with that, with
that guy the tag that just youknow, sliding past me. Yeah,

(22:56):
but you know, it's been twentyyears almost remember, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeahit was. It was such an experience.
And I would say that to everybodyto you know, put put it
on their bucket list, any traveler, any motorcyclist. I mean, that
is truly. I hope it's stillas beautiful as I experienced. How many
days was the entire trip? Twoweeks? Two weeks? Oh wow?

(23:19):
So tell me what keeps you going? You know, in the face of
fear. Okay, I don't knowif you felt fear, but you know
at that moment, I'm sure youdid. Yeah, what leeps you going?
Is it just that so many peoplewith you? What is it you
actually in? But that I can'twe just that right? Yeah? I
actually used to say this. Imean, motorcycling is a very lonely or
not lonely, it's a very it'sa lonesome. It's a single person.

(23:42):
You can be riding with like fortypeople, but you're riding alone. It's
a very solo journey. It's notlike a car full of friends or family.
But that's like, yeah, itis very much like that. So
you are you can write parallel toyour partner, but you can't ride the
same journey, you can, it'snot the same. So so that's what

(24:03):
I feel. And you know everytime I go for every time before I
go for a ride, I'm sonervous in that sense, like I'm just
like, what if I forget howto ride? At No, It's like
you go for a swim swimming competitionand you're like, what if I forget
how to swim? What if Iforget how the arms go? How do
I sorry, how do I forget? What if I forget? How do

(24:25):
I don't? You do it?Kill that stupid fear, Like it's a
very it's a very strange and sillythiing notion. Right, but once you
get on the bike, I mean, I you see that smile through my
helment. It's it's really really somethingelse. Yeah, I want to like
when I was reading that this isyour mode of transport, this has been

(24:47):
your mode of transport. Yeah,it's not like you just take it out
for a spin just you know,if you're in the mode or something.
Yeah, I mean, I'm reallyblessed because Bangalore are such had great weather
mostly through the year, and rightnow we are for struggling with you know,
it's a really hot spell and lackof water and all of that.
But mostly in my twenty plus yearsof being in this city, it's been

(25:08):
really kind to us, and theweather has been so beautiful to be able
to, you know, ride around. I live in the heart of the
city, and so it's really everynow and then. The idea is that
every now and then I get achance, i'd like to leave the city
so and leave it on my bike. So again I have been able to
do what I do because I alsofeel that it's the stubborn get their way,

(25:32):
now, would you you know ina way that that's how I felt
like being stubborn gets you your way. And I have kind of been also
think about like how inconvenient it isfor people around you to be a motorcyclist,
because like sometimes I'd be a familytrip and I'll be like my hat
and my husband, I said,you take the kids and you know,

(25:53):
take the car, and I comeon the bike and as you there kind
of thing, and then it's like, why can't you just ridle with us
like a no person, you know? But then I want to get to
ride my bike for five hours goingto cool or whatever. So I mean,
I'm just like yeah, but getsome other people to sit with you
and drive with you, and I'llcome on the bike because it's what I

(26:15):
want to do. So it isinconvenient also to other people. This kind
of passion and how you enjoy something, you know, I have to come
to terms with that as well.Yeah, it's that's interesting because I mean
even I would imagine, why notjust go in a car? Yeah,
that one time or something, right, But you have to ride every day.

(26:37):
It's like that. No, no, no, no, I especially
not in the city so much becauseit's no fun. But I also get
I am also driven by and passionateabout like places where there are no roads
as such, you know, soyou don't want to miss out on that.
Yeah, if there is like wayknow, if we have a chance

(26:59):
to go off the hr Hiway andoff the like the National Highway, it's
like, okay, I'm not goingto take the bike out on us on
a flat you know, five hundredkilometers flat in the National Highway of six
lane straight road. It's fun.It's no fun. No, no,
I'm not interested and I'm not eveninterested in driving. I love the guards
section, the place where there isa lot of twists sent down. There's

(27:22):
a lot of like bad roads,there's a lot of you went through forest
trail. That kind of stuff reallyreally exc's me and I love it.
So I want to experience that everychance that I get. And I realized
for that, you have to beselfish or married to a person or with
a partner who enjoys it as muchas you do. Yeah, that's that's

(27:45):
nice. Is it like a kinshipbetween you know, bikers Like you said
this, I'm sure other bikers feelthe same way. Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah. And in fact, it'sso strange that I have been I
mean, I have had some friendswho are in Rajasthan and who are riding
through Rajasthan from Bangalore. And thisis also back in the day, maybe
two thousand and eight or something,and they were riding and their bike had

(28:07):
broken down, that one of thebikes had broken down between Jessel Mayer and
Joth Tour and I remember them sittingthere telling me the story because he called
me from there and he's like,you know, I'm sitting on the side
of the road and there was aconvoy of army. Convoy goes by and
there was one gypsy in that andthen that gypsy takes a U turn and
comes back to them, crosses themand then comes back to them, and

(28:29):
he's like, oh, you know, you guys need some help or whatever,
like you know, lady Leakrau,you know, you know, whatever
bike and help they needed. Thatbike needed to go to the mechanic.
They needed the you know they callit in the truck. The guys took
it. The army guys took itfor them and everything. And then they
sit around and talking in like that. You know, they're like, oh,
you're from Bangalore. I have afriend in Bangalore. And then my

(28:49):
other friend says, don't tell me, it's make Nan. They're like,
yeah, you know, of courseit's make now, like you know how
many women ride motorcycles in that sense, and you know, so this just
happened to be friends of mine.One was in the army. One was
a restaurant here from Bangalore who happenedto cross parts in on a highway.
And that is fun. So youwill always find you will always find people

(29:12):
who will and I think in generallyyou will find people who will be ready
to help you, you know,especially motorcyclists. I mean, we have
had an accident, not me butwe have we've been on a trip as
somebody else. The bike is callingand the bike needs to go in for
repairs. And then we're at themechanic and we're supposed to go to Goa,
but now we're in Mangalore, sowe're taking the long way A out

(29:33):
of the scenic route, and nowthe bikes bus stay. It needs repairs,
so we need to stay here forthe next two three days. And
then you know, my friend wascalling his friend from the you know,
from the mechanic shop in circlish Port. Thing that listens is what has happened.
Bike's broken down and we're at themechanic. It's like, which town
are you in? Circlashoot. Justwait right there, you know, I'll

(29:55):
call you back. And he callsback and he says, just hang out
there because in twenty minutes you'll havesomebody coming to pick you our guys up
and take you to their estate.And we had like the most beautiful hospitality.
Now this friend of friend government beforetakes all of us to his home.
You know, we pitched tents,we have like a little set up.
He gives us the most beautiful,elaborate breakfast and takes us to like

(30:17):
takes us to show us different placeseven like does that as well? You
know that is that is something thatI think it's really uh credible for us.
Yeah, it's fantastic. It's likea community, entire community. Yeah,
I'm now with with the you know, social media, there are so
many ways to get in touch withpeople and saying like, hey, I'm

(30:38):
on this trip, I'm coming tothis way if anybody wants to meet up
or is there any place that Ican can you suggest a mechanic or can
you suggest places to visit, orcan I you know, share share a
path somewhere you know there. Thisis really it's really amazing quite easy now.
But you know another thing I justoccurred to me, Like earlier,
if a woman wrote a motibi,she would be called a tomboy, right

(31:03):
yeah, yeah, yeah totally.So now you're changing that basically like your
own daughter, you're saying, she'sused to seeing women riding nothing tom boyish
about it. So I think thatthe whole concept of tomboy also became something
that it was too. It wasokay for a woman to be a man
or a boy girl to be likeboyish, but not for a boy to
be girl, right, that's true. You know, so I think that
all those stereotypes are changing. Idon't see that very many women want to

(31:30):
ride a motorcycle. That is onething, right, that's why would you
want to? Like some people don'tget it there like that, But why
why why do you want to doyou know why? It's like inconvenient?
Why would you want to do it? You know? So it's different.
People are driven by different names.I guess, of course we're all different.
But you know, coming to yourcoaching thing, and you know,

(31:52):
I was looking and you said thatanybody can ride a bike, and for
me, the first thing I wouldthink is a bike is so heavy,
right, how do you even holdto get? And you've said that women
don't know their own strength. Yeah, so literally, anybody can ride a
bike, or if somebody anybody everwritten one, No, the even even
for that, Matasima had never toucheda motorcycle. Yeah, and she was

(32:14):
riding in like twenty minutes, tutes, twenty minutes She's writing. Because the
thing is that at the end ofit, I think it's that feeling and
a fear that keeps us from doingso many things. And actually it is
not a person's you know, ability, It is a person's perception of their

(32:38):
ability that makes us do the thingsthat or allows us to do the things
that we that we do. It'sreally I mean, if you if you
you don't get what I'm saying.It's it's really interesting because it's not your
ability, it's your perception of yourability. I don't think I can,
and it keeps so many of usfrom doing so many things that we would

(33:00):
otherwise accel at because we don't perceiveourselves to be able to do it.
So I've not taught just women.I've taught men over the years how to
ride bikes. It's just that littlefear that is there of the size of
a motorcycle. Or we can holdit with a finger. You can hold

(33:21):
that balance. You can balance thatbike with a finger. Amazing. Yeah,
And there are like again, youknow, you start with the basic
thing where your feet need to touchthe ground, but there are advanced riders
who do a lot of dirt trailswhere the bike needs to be higher because
the clearance from the ground needs tobe higher. So a lot of the
times their feet don't touch the ground, so they're sitting like almost like how

(33:43):
we'd like to learn those big cycles, those big black cycles back in the
day when we were kids, andthose big big cycles, and you'd have
to do you know, you'd bealmost like sideways, your butt wouldn't be
sitting on the seat like this sidebutt out and you kind of cycle like
that's how that's how you can balancethe motorcycles with those big bikes. But

(34:05):
that's like for a more advanced riderin that sense. Yeah, so how
did you start coaching? And whatis the age true? Because Semas I
saw her video with you and itsaid that you know, she this was
her dream from since she was ateenager to ride a bike and yeah,
to touch fifty so she won't haveto do it. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, And so I get alot of that. I get a lot

(34:27):
of because I do one on one. I do one on one coaching.
So it's not exactly cheap in thatsense, because it's it's something that somebody
has wanted to do for a longtime and they have they have come to
do it. So whether they endup whether they end up buying a motorcycle

(34:49):
or they already own it and thenriding it, it just is up to
them. But that's ceiling. Youknow, when that bike starts moving,
that smile on their face, right, it's like a it's a really that
that aha moment that is actually happeningto me. And so I feel like
a catalyst in their in their journey, you know, And I think that

(35:13):
it's amazing that it's more empowering.And why is it empowering? This word
is a little overused, but whyis it empowering for women to be able
to ride a motorcycle? That isyou know that they don't they don't need
somebody else to start the bike forthem. They don't need I mean,
if you can kick start a motorcycle, that's how I teach them on an

(35:34):
old motorcycle, which needs you tokick started. So if you can kickstart
and end field, you can you'reyou're you're queen. You know. It's
not a button start, it's abutton starts, like anybody can do that.
But if you can kickstart a motorcycle, you can ride anything. Yeah,
it's a accomplishment, no, andyeah, totally you've done this.

(35:58):
Yeah, So and that is thefirst step. So whether they end up
riding after that or they end upbuying a motorcycle, or making it a
part of their life or anything.It's just that they thought that they could
not do it, or that theyalways wanted to do it, and that
one moment, that little moment whenthat bi wheel starts turning and they start
moving, and I make them ridein a very tight space because again,

(36:21):
like I prefer it, there's alittle bit of a bomb, there's a
little bit of bad patch, there'sa very tight space. You have to
maneuver, you have to take newturns. So I get them to do
everything in one day, and thenyou can become a better rider. You
can step. I take them outsideon the road. If you have a
license, you know all of that. It's a process. It's a process.

(36:44):
So I would do like I mean, ideally, I would say four
classes, three to four classes toget you confident, and then of course
it depends on how good you are. There are many things that are required
of a woman motorcyclist. Let mesay that it's a responsibility when you're out
on the street, when you're outin traffic, because everybody's going to try

(37:05):
and mess with you. They're goingto try and bully you, they're going
to try and push you around,They're going to try and take your space.
They're going to try and distract you, you know, and you have
to be extra careful. So forme, I mean, riding a motorcycle
or riding any vehicle for that matter, is one thing. But you know,
it comes back to me like thispiece of advice that my father had

(37:30):
told me as a twelve year old. You know, when I was when
he was teaching me how to ride. I'll teach you how to ride,
but once you ride, don't evercome back to me and say that it
wasn't my fault. Accident. Ihad an accident and it wasn't my fault.
It will always be your fault,whether when you're on a when you're
in a vehicle and you see likeyou know, it could be the cow
across the road, the woman acrossthe road that your children ran across.

(37:52):
It could be everything or anything.But you have to be aware. So
he said, don't ever come backto me and say that it wasn't my
fault. Something just given front ofme, but it wasn't my call.
No, it is your fault.It will be your fault, you know.
So you have to be aware.And I'm saying not only that you
have to be aware of your surrounding. Use your indicators, all these things
right, Use your indicators, youknow, be aware of people around you,

(38:14):
use your air view mirrors to beaware. And you have to your
awareness has to be much heightened.So not only your traffic, Like not
only do you have to learn knowhow to write the vehicle, you have
to know how to work through traffictotally in the moment. Yeah, you
cannot like, you cannot be youknow, trying to make a call,

(38:36):
do anything, because you are soin you are so open. You're so
open anything can happen to you.And more than anything else, you just
have to be aware and be ableto, you know, control how people
are reacting around you. Sometimes peopleare just hey, so nice to see
a woman at the signal. Youknow, they'll be like yeah, and
I'm like thank you. And sometimespeople are like trying to overtake you can

(39:00):
try to you know, cut acrossyou, and then you just want to
slow down, walls to please doyour please carry on, you know,
we don't. They're not here tocomplete, but they want to get your
attention. So you can't be distractedby that. Yeah, the minute they
a woman writer, I suppose Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. So
that's why I'm saying the big responsibilityeven that. Yeah, So tell me

(39:21):
for the women who come to you, what are their stories, what is
motivating them so much? It's sointeresting because like so many, so many
times, it's like, oh,my husband is riding around the countryside the
world literally, and I feel leftout. I feel like he's so passionate
about it, and I feel leftout on that journey. So I want

(39:42):
to also join join that journey.Or there are single women who are just
like you know, I really dreamabout riding a motorcycle. I have this
dream. I want to be ableto achieve it. So there are different
stories, different people who have Uhyou know, sometimes people have not even
expected to be able to do that. They're not they're not thought that this

(40:05):
would actually be an option. Somany times people have called me and said
that listen, I didn't even knowthat this could be an option where I
could learn how to ride, whereI could ride my own motorcycle, you
know, I could own that anddo it. So I think it's become
a lot more excess accessive accessible inthat sense, because you know, bites
are cheaper today. I mean They'relike, they're accessible. Anybody can go

(40:30):
and own a motorcycle. Right,It's just about it's just about how you
can protect yourself. And I thinkthat a lot of things are changing in
the country. Solo travel is stilllike solo camping, solo traveling. I
think that that's still a little bityou know, out there, but I

(40:52):
think it's hats of more and morewomen are doing it. So I see
all kinds. I see all kindsof stories. Actually, yeah, what
is the oldest, let's say,the youngest that you've coached. No,
I mean, like you say,I haven't had like that. No,
actually I have. I have hada twenty three year old. I have
had a twenty three year old,and I've had like a fifty five year

(41:13):
old. So yeah, yeah,that is the age. You know.
I hope to teach my kids oneday. I hope to teach my kids
one day and have them be safeon the road. You know that that
is the fear actually, I thinkthat people had back in the day.
The speeds are very high. Youknow, you have to take care of

(41:35):
yourself, your people that you areinteracting with on the street, yourself,
your family. Everybody is responsible.So I mean, you're responsible for everybody,
so in a way like right,that has to be kept in consideration.
Yeah, so what you said,you know that it's some it's like
an unconscious thought, I think.And then they hear about you because nobody

(42:00):
even realized that it's an option thatyou can ride a motorcycle. Yeah.
Yeah, So there'll be somebody talkingto somebody else and they sometimes they're like,
I don't want to learn from myhusband. My husband has a motorcycle,
but I don't want to learn frommy husband, or I don't want
to learn from my dad because theyhave zero patients. And sometimes my friends
have you know, have got theirfriends to call me and said, listen,

(42:20):
I want you to teach my wifeor my girlfriend because I find it
really difficult to do so so orI'm out and I don't have the time,
so can you do that? AndI think that is that is the
you know, amazing part of it, Like you want your partner to be
your equal and to enjoy journeys together, but you don't have to do it
like you know, a secondhand experience. Sitting pillion on a motorcycle is a

(42:45):
second hand experience. Yeah, Andsuddenly realize that. Look, I can
learn too, I guess I have. Media is great because you know they
videos, yes, see people learning. Yeah, I think I think that's
been really helpful. That's it.Yeah. Do you get direct requests just
like that or of the blue onyour Instagram or something like that. Yeah,
every now and then, every nowand then, every now and then.

(43:07):
Yeah. So it's only in Bangaloo. You've gone to other cities as
well. Now right now, it'sonly in Bangalore because I have my kids
are small, and you know,I'm just doing multiple things. I wear
multiple hats, and motorcycling and teachingwomen how to hide a motorcycle is just

(43:28):
one of the things that I do. So yeah, I saw. So
when did you start? But Iforgot to ask you that. Yeah,
it's been I mean i've been likeI said, I've been doing it for
the last like I've been riding forfifty years, so I've been doing it
for the last like I would say, twenty five years. But officially,
or to put it out there,it's been about I think it was pre

(43:50):
COVID maybe twenty eighteen, Okay,great, long time, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, but it's beensomething that has just been happening.
It's a it's just just happened.Yeah, it's just something that you know,
people are like I always want toby come, like least come.
It will take you all of onehour. Then after that it is about

(44:10):
like how do you get to thenext gear or to like you know,
but you will be able to kicka starting motorcycle and stop it in an
hour, so so correct me ifI'm wrong. But I'm you know,
from what I've been speaking to youand looking into Instagram, you pretty much
go with the floor, right.Yeah, it's like I don't know where

(44:32):
I'm going, but I know Iknow I'll know it when I get there.
Yeah, because you know, whenI was trying to find your LinkedIn
and Instagram, I'm like, oh, this is Magna Levitate, so this
Magnaw, this travel Rannie is youraccount. So I'm like, am I
getting the right person to realize?Oh? All if it is you?
Okay? And I'm the person whosaid I'll never do social media, I'll

(44:53):
never never And then I went onto have like not one or two,
at four five handles and I'm managingthem and I'm just like, sometimes i
feel like I'm talking to myself it'sa bit it's a bit out there.
Yeah, I can get that,Yeah, because if we're sharing from one
to the other and yeah, yeah, actually like talking to Yeah, it's
a distinct world out there. SometimesI think, of course it's quite it's

(45:15):
quite interesting. But sometimes I'm alsolike, oh my god, just shut
it and let's let's leave down,you know, let's get on there,
let's get out of town. Yeah. So tell me about levity and you
have the buildy project and a lotof stuff. Yeah. So I I
was twenty three when I started.I'd moved to Bangalow I'd quit my cottage
job in Bombay and I uh andI traveled for about six months. I

(45:38):
had gone to the back at thetime also and like here there my parents
were intury another and then i'd movedto Bangalore. I just I just came
to Bangalore because I was like,that's it. This is the only promise
to live in. Yeah. Iwas promised to bike. Yeah. Yeah,
And it was like it was alwayson my bucket list actually because it
was like I studied at Tuna andTuna is like the like Bangalore, like

(46:00):
the older version of Una. That'swhat I was told when I was studying.
I had done my graduation and myboth grad and everything, and then
I was ready to leave that city. I'm like, I knew everything about
everything, you know. So Iwas ready to leave. And I was
told by my my seniors and myfriends that you know, Bangalore is the
older version of Una City, sopeople are like, you meet forty year

(46:20):
olds who don't know what they wantto be when they grew up. So
I was like, oh my god, that's where I want to go,
like, you know, there's notreasure of like, and then I was
I actually went for an interview.I grew up in so those days,
I think, yeah, yeah,in the eighties or whatever, it was
called the Pension of Paradise literally yeahyeah yeah. By two thousand and two,

(46:42):
I think it had already got itsvibe of you know, yeah,
yeah, yeah, everything had alreadyhappened. But before that, I had
moved to Bombay and I had gonefor this interview which was from my masters,
my mbasses, and these guys keptasking me like it was supposed to
be for qualitative market research, andthey kept asking me that will you do
numbers? And I was like no, I'm a total people's person. I

(47:04):
don't want to remember. So itso happened that I said so much about
that work that there was no branchfor that in Bangalore and my job was
at Bombay, And it was areal slap in my face because Bombay is
when you really have to show up, right. It's like a your student
I mean, like your student lifeis over and you're learning begins when somebody's

(47:28):
paying you money, right, youhave to show up, you have to
do all of that. So anyway, I did it for a year and
I was very proud of myself.I learned a lot, and I quit
that job to start Levitate, whichwas a hole in the wall tiny store
in Bangalore that did a lot ofhandmade Indian craft jewelry design, all of
that. I ran it for eighteenyears. I was twenty three when I
started it, and it was asecret. It was a secret Banglow's.

(47:52):
It was called Baglow's best Kept Secretshop. So I shut during COVID.
It was a catalyst in that completionof that journey. I'd done it for
eighteen years and I felt that ithad done. It's time. I'd filled
a big gap in the market before, and that gap was becoming smaller.
So it was time to shut shopin that sense. And even my mother

(48:15):
was shopping online, you know,seventy so it was just like everybody's shopping
online and I didn't have that onlinepresence. I finally got it and everything,
but then I shut up, andthen it took me a long time
to figure out what I wanted todo next. But after that, I
also now run a charity thrift calledThe pre Loved p It's a beautiful,

(48:36):
beautiful setup which has a large percentageof our fundraising goes to various causes that
we raised once for at in Bangalore, So that is also one thing that
I run. It's really great fun. We have the best of passion and
while you're shopping, you're also savingthe planet and you're saving like funds are

(48:57):
being generated for you know, thereis various causes, so it feels really
great. And of course the BindiProject I've been it's been a couple of
years now and I create one ofa kind, really funky Bindi's which have
not been done before. So yeah, it's a it's many many things.
It's out juggling many things. Yeah, the Bundy Project a light and you

(49:20):
said you just don't have to editwith saris. You can edit with anything.
Yeah, yeah, I mean Ido fun things. Fun Bindi's that
you can actually wear with a pairof like a white shirt, blue jeans.
I think that this whole thing becauseI'm also a stylist and I work
with that. It's also this wholething of you know, having to conform

(49:40):
to a certain mindset, whether it'sh and M or Zara, whatever it
is out there. You know,people have to find their personal style,
have to find that personal style becausethat is something that really works for your
personality. And I I just feelthat, you know, doing a few
vision of Indian style, It's likethe whole world is looking at the women

(50:02):
of India. They are so beautiful, right, and here we want to
do like Korean fashion or like Scandinavianhome design. I'm just like, come
on, like, you know,why, why why the whole world is
watching us? Where I've been toldlike so many time, because I have
traveled to like different places for work, Rajasthan Gujda, you know, I

(50:25):
tell all of that, and I'dmeet so many partners who are just like,
we're just blown away by the beautyof India. You know, Indian
people and here we are tried tobe somebody else. I mean, it's
just take a way of blue jeans. There is nothing wrong with the blue
jeans, white shirt. Like it'slovely, you know, but like keep

(50:45):
something. It doesn't have to bethe BINDI that's not what I mean.
But I'm just saying, embrace,Embrace something that brings you joy and that
poults you apart a little bit.Why would you want to fit in when
you can stand apart? And Iknow what you believe if I've done these
pop ups, you know, fora couple of years with a couple of
friends of mine. We call itthe good Will Shop, and we sold
stuff from all over the place,and you realize these artisans are so talented

(51:06):
and you not even scratched the surface. Yeah, so much. And you
and post COVID, it's been reallysad to see that number really doingling.
And I honestly never thought that Iwould be working with my hands like this.
So but so you will see meriding a motorcycle in my boots,
in my jeans, but you willalso see me wearing a sari with my
biindie and you know, doing allthe stringer possible. So I like when

(51:30):
you spoke about like tomboy today tolike embracing the woman that you are.
A woman can be all these things, and that is another thing, like
you are like niche down or liketo find that single thing that you do
as opposed to enjoying so much.Like I think a woman is made of

(51:51):
so much. She has so muchgoing for her, her work, her
family, her interests, her joy, her painting, her starry styling job,
what ever, it could be somany things that bring her joy.
She's not a linear one that youknow, go to work with one thing,
take your briefcase, go to work, come back. This is not
it's it's not the way that she'sbuilt. She gets joy from many many

(52:15):
places. They're true. You can'tjust be pigeonholed. And I think,
yeah, I think that women haveto first and foremost give themselves that to
explore, to be, to be. I mean, we go through like
life cycles each month, yeah,you know, and to be okay with

(52:37):
feeling low one day and feeling ontop of your game the next day.
It is the way that you havebeen built. It's fine except that also,
yeah, even you I saw yourvideo first of all, with the
that kept falling off fantastic really yeah, and even there right with the designer

(53:00):
who did that, who did that, who I worked with, and it
was like, well, we don'tknow if the design is going to have
time. I don't know if we'regoing to be doing this that, And
I'm just like, listen, thisis a problem that needs following. Every
woman who's wearing a sari is eitherpinning it with safety pins. I don't
say I don't put you know,safety pins in my sadies. But I
also do draping workshops, I dodemos, I can do workshops some fusion

(53:22):
sari draping, So it doesn't haveto be that normal type of sali.
I said, like that way itneeds to be. It needs to hold
in place. I can't keep doingthis all day. And it looks pretty
as well. Yeah it had areally great detail, right yeah. Yeah,
given your pre love so how doesthe pre love thing work? And

(53:43):
a lot of the yeah, it'sinteresting. Yes, we work with donations
and the contributions of people. Whatdo we contribute is it money or clothes?
So no, So basically we raisefunds through the sale, so we
don't we're not looking at clothes likethat. You will give it to us
and be donated to our charity.That's not the kind of clothes that we
work with. We work with clothesthat you cannot give to your househelf or

(54:04):
to yours. You know. Ifthese are not those kinds of clothes,
these are the clothes that you wearto your Friday night out with your girlfriends.
You're strapless, your backless, yourhaltered. You know, these are
the places. These are the clothesthat you don't have home for and that
needs another, you know, journeyfor somebody has to love it the way
that you have loved it expens soexpensive. So but the thing is that

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amazingly we have worked so well atpeople have been able to have sent us
things with We don't collect, wedon't pick up, we don't pay,
we don't do that because at theend of our time we want to be
able to raise funds, and themore we give been too that, the
less we will be able to dothat. So people have sent us like
clothes with labels with tags, becauseat the end of the day, you

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realize that the best way to helpsomebody is actually to help yourself. So
how can you do that is actuallyby cleaning out your clothest, getting rid
of that stuff that is sitting inyour closet. You will be amazed at
how much weight you will lose bygiving away the clothes that you don't wear.
So not waiting for them to gocompletely out of fashion or to completely

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like be in tatters or whatever,just give them away and you will realize
that mind, that weight has beensitting in your mind. It's just amazing
because women actually, yeah, helpsomebody or even that first, to help
yourself. This is the way absolutelyempty out your cupboard and you can buy
more stuff. Yeah, exactly right. It's it's a game changer, you

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know. And you will be amazedhow many people come drop off a bag
with us and then say, hey, I'm going to shop some free love.
You know, I'm going to shopsome free love. Because the best
of fashion, we get the bestof passion. We are not homogeneous like
H and M or any of that. We are. You want to build
a personality, You want to havesomething that you want to build for your
own personal brand. So this isalso one more thing that I do,

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which is I work with women entrepreneursand I help them like create their own
personal brand and work with their ownhome Grood brands to bring them, to
bring their story out and kind ofbrand it. So that's also what I
do. So yeah, I doworkshops for that as well. So it's
very important to be able to becomfortable in who you want to portray.

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Yeah, interesting, I saw whatyou did. Somebody called Auto Raja,
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. So this is a home for almost
eight hundred plus destitute people and he'spicked up people off the streets and he's
spending fifteen thousand per day. Yeah, yeah, it is, it is.
That is the kind of overheads thatthey have because it's eight hundred people.
And now he has a little hospital, he has doctors on call.

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Yes, yes, he's doing allof that so and tomorrow. Actually,
if you were to ask anybody forten boopies on the street, it's not
like people are going to give itto you. You know, you can't
ask for money like that. Nobodyis nobody is giving you that money.
But here you are buying something withvalue, you have received value for it,
and you've given your money and thatis going to some that you had

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somebody. It's a win. Whynot? And you're saving the planet and
you're doing all that all that isfine, right, but I think you
get the best of passion. Youget passion with personality. Yes, Midgi,
I'm just realizing one thing. Tellme if I'm wrong. You're biking
even all this, you know alot of it. You've spoken about woman
enterpreance. There's a lot of helpingwomen, right. Yeah, it's a

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huge thing. I'm passionate about thata lot. It's a huge passion for
me. And like I said,like we spoke about this, if I
feel that somebody can put in liketen percent express and get like, you
know, one hundred percent return,I will, I will, I will
really, I will really encourage themto do that, and sometimes I do

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it. I mean, of coursethis year I promised that I'm not going
to do that because I see myenergy as elixir and I'm going to sprinkle
it like fairy does. But beforethat, I was very I was very
you know, out there, likeI have to you have to do something,
mo because I see you, Isee that you can do so much.

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I visualize it for you. Soyeah, you know it's h but
people also have to be able tosee it for themselves, and there's always
a right time. And now I'vekind of come to that everybody has the
right time and they will do whateveris their calling at the time that that
works for them. That's true.That I just want to be a part
of that journey. Yeah, andthe time has to be right, yes,

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but a little push helps. Yeah. I think that because people don't
see that for themselves. It's difficultto see it for yourself. It's always
nice and easier to see it forsomebody else. Yeah, that's true.
So tell me, finally, what'snext for you as a biker, Any
expeditions planned, any bike that youwant to buy. And I still I'm

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still waiting. I'm still waiting forsome bite to come and wow me,
you know, like it's I am. I am waiting. I'm not I'm
not found that perfect perfect somebody whocollects bikes. That are a lot of
people right who do that. Yeah, So I think that these days you
can also high ride bikes to ride, you know, but there is a
certain I don't know how to saythis. I'm looking for that perfect,

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perfect like under And the thing isthat mine is already in my garage.
It's all. She's already here.It's just beautiful, your first love and
the more you ride it, themore you ride it, the matter she
becomes. So it's just it's justthe way that she's been made, you
know, made like a gun theycall the enfeel. Is made like a

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gun, right, like a bullet. You know that it is the way
that it is. It's an olderbike. I'm not going to go for
a button push start. And that'sso like, you know, it's not
not it doesn't have that soul ofof of what what soul of of uh,

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you know, discomfort. It's thatdoes not have the soul of discomfort.
How can you become so comfortable thatyou want now you want an automatic
car and you want a button startmotorcycles? This is too much comfort.
Where's the fun? Where's the joy? Where's the fun? Yeah? Yeah,

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thank you making a wonderful, wonderfultalking to you.