November 21, 2024 • 43 mins
Swole Cinema Episode 41 is here, and Ryan and Mark are shouting WOLVERINES! as they dive into the 1984 classic "Red Dawn"! Starring Patrick Swayze, Charlie Sheen, C. Thomas Howell, and an all-star cast, this Cold War action film is packed with rebellion, survival, and heart-pounding action.
Join us as we break down the story of a group of teenagers turned freedom fighters defending their hometown from invasion. From its intense battle scenes to its heavy political themes, "Red Dawn" is a movie that defined a generation of action cinema.
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Join us as we break down the story of a group of teenagers turned freedom fighters defending their hometown from invasion. From its intense battle scenes to its heavy political themes, "Red Dawn" is a movie that defined a generation of action cinema.
#SwoleCinema #RedDawn #Wolverines #PatrickSwayze #CharlieSheen #80sAction #PodcastEpisode #TuneInNow #ColdWarCinema #CinematicAdventure
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
What's up, Hi, it's up Swollen Nation. Welcome to swole
Cinema that smarts.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
He doesn't have notes voice.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
That's right, it it is Ryan. Nope, I'm Mark, one
half of swol Cinema. Uh Ryan, Hi, I'm Ryan, I'm
the other half man. We are knocking out of the
park this one so far.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yes, professional podcasters, don't worry this.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I got one beer in front of me, one beer
in me, one beer in front of me. By the
time it's gone, we'll be back to me.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I think.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, I think that's how the math works.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It's podcast math.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
This episode, it sounds like I was going about to
do a commercial. This episode is brought to you by
Pine Creek Spirits. On this episode, we're going back to
a classic from nineteen eighty four, Red.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Dawn, Yep. Classic. You know.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It's like a movie about that one time when Russians
parachuted into a high school in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It was so weird, like going back. I don't know
if I ever watched the movie, like the whole way through.
I've seen bits and pieces, but it's one of those things.
It was eighty four, so I probably saw it years ago,
but I don't really didn't really remember most of it,
and it was like that was the thing that hit
me first right away, was this is not a big city, like,
this is a rural town, like something you would think
(01:32):
they wouldn't be parachuting into, right, Like that's when you
just leave out in the country and don't worry about
overtaking it right away because there's only like fifteen people
living there.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah. Yeah, they land like in a football field in Colorado.
It's high school and the movie kind of opens like
the kids are at school. We get Patrick Swayzey dropping up.
Now he's supposed to be the quarterback, but he looks
like he's like twenty five.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well I thought he was the old like he was
the former quarter former quarterback he graduated. He's definitely yeah,
he's Johnny quarterback.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
All right, no character development a little bit. The kids
get in school and then parachute. They look out and
there's uh, para jumpers right and then and then Chit's on.
I'm like, oh wow, okay, they wasted no time getting
right into it.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
My favorite, my favorite part of that opening scene was, uh,
the school teacher was the was the police chief from
Last Action Hero right like slight.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
When I say para jumpers, paratroopers, parent jumpers. But that
leads us into the bulk of the story. These kids
have to get out of town, and it's actually Russians
and Cubans.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, and Cubans yep.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Because I had forgotten't seen it for a while, forgot
so when the one guy said something about, I don't
know they were speaking Spanish. Yeah, At first I thought
maybe that was a joke, like, oh, you just didn't
this kid just doesn't know what another language sounds like,
because I had forgot about the movie. But as a
you know, once we started really getting to him, like, oh,
that's right. One thing I noticed about it too, Like
(03:08):
a lot of movies from the eighties, when the Russians talked,
they just do an accent. Yeah, but here they they
we had to read something.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
That's why it cracked me up is how many subtitles
they were, like, because they did, like whether it was
Rushi or I don't know because I don't speak Russian.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Guys sounded legit. They could have been mumbling though, I
don't know, but yeah, I was. It was funny how
yeah they had you had to read subtitles like they
didn't they didn't try to like give you a bad
English accent. They just went straight to acting like they
were Russian for a.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Movie in the eighties. Very kind of odd, right, very progressive,
right because Drago right, he did the almost Break You.
But also who was no Switzenegger was a read. What
was the movie he was in where he was a Russian?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I don't remember that?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Mm hmm, Well, but Arnold has a bad at Austrian
no matter what. No, he definitely was.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
In the movie We played Russian.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
The movie is directed by I mean pronounce the name correctly,
John Millius, who you might not know or remember. He
also directed Konan, which we talked about.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Side note. I watched I was almost done a lot
more than that, but that's too great.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
But we like we we watched Conan before and uh
like we talked about how the Conan Destroyer was like bad.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Arnold didn't even like it.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
He was a writer on that, but I wonder if
he directed too.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I watched Conan and the Destroyer the other day and
it is just a camp be good time. I'm sorry
it's not.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Good, but I had fun.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
He also directed writer and director. I haven't seen that
for a long time. But it's campy and that's the
best one. No, it's not a good movie, but it
was enjoyable.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
That's not you're gonna watch for next time.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
No no, no, that's like it's because it's another like
two and a half hour, you know, nightmare. So I
watched it on TV, like I'm good now I don't
need to watch it for another twenty years.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
So we have the Russians dropping him then and they
just they just blast a couple of school kids.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Oh yeah, just just straight into the window. They're all
looking out the window going what the hell? They blow
blow the teacher when he walks out, and then just
you know, just machine guns straight through the wall.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah. I don't mean. They rounded up a lot of
the townsfolk and we're like just playing the stuff about
how bad America is and yeah, I guess trying to
maybe mind control and get them to like, yes, right,
we want.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
To be part of Russia.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Uh. But they but they start off just like killing
a bunch of people.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Oh ye, But the.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Kids manage to get out of town because Jed shows up. Yeah,
I like out of nowhere way shows up.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Just turns around in his his Shyenne pickup truck. He
was what miles away had to be miles away, and
I don't know if he saw him, but yeah, he
booked it back and picked him all up in the truck.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Everyone that could get in the back all I know,
just jumping in it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
That truck was just glorious though, like that short bed
ye pickup truck.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Jacked up truck is great. Now, this play, this, the
cast is more than just Patrick swayzeing.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
This was the eighties, so we have Charlie Sheen, see
Thomas how Leah Thompson, Jennifer Greg with her before she
got to know his job, and nobody knew what she
looked like. So it was pretty Uh, it's pretty good cast.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I think this was like Charlie Sheen's first like big role.
Oh was it? I think so before he got some.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Of that tiger blood.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Oh yeah, before he Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I think
I read it. It was like his first that kind of
like breakout kind of roll, like you know, Internet was right.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
So yeah, Patrick and Charlie and this are brothers Jit
and Matt Eckert.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Uh they do they stop on the way out. They
stop at like a gas station. Yeah, which I thought
like I was misinterpreted. I thought it was their dad
whenever they stopped. But no, it's just his family friend
or one of the other guy's dads or something.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
But I think it was one of the other guys dads.
All right.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
But this small little gas station had everything they needed.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It was like the They loaded up on guns, like
sporting goods and gas. Yeah, got a.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Load up on guns, ammo, camping equipment, everything they needed.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I loved when I was grabbing the cardboard things full
of like arrows and like the boat and grabbing like
the big thing of arrows.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Take Yeah, yeah, that was awesome. He told him like, no,
I'll get word of your dad. Get going, get out town. Yeah, see,
head out in the woods because you know they're familiar
with the woods because.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Hunters, which always led.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
When I first watched his my friend back in the day,
we were like, oh, we could probably do this.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Oh we know, we know the woods out here. We
have our hunting.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Rifles, and we were we were like, hell, yeah, we
could do this.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Like no, no, we never could. Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
For me, I don't even know why I was agreeing
with him. I was the worst hunter. I could barely
sit still. There's times I would put the gun down
and pick up like a decently long stick and just
act like I was sword fighting out in the woods,
just trying. I just needed to clock the tick. Yeah,
so I can get to a decent amount of time
where I can go find my buddy where he was
(08:35):
at his spot and tell him like, hey man, it's
almost lunchtime. Was heading grass of lunch? I just I
couldn't sit still. Did you see anything? Nah?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I mean either, Yeah, I don't know. It's like it's
like they know him there. Yeah, it's worst hunter.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
But I don't know how we thought we were gonna.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, be able to do this well honestly, I mean
movie magic. They didn't do a real good job either,
Like they had a lean to after three months and
the brutal winner of Colorado Mountain, right, I'm sitting there watching,
going this is terrible. Like one of these kids, one
of these kids apparently an eagle scout, and like all
they have is like a lean to.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
What the fun? There's no way they're making it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Like my wife was like, how do they, you know,
take a bath?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I'm like, I don't think they are.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
They are Yeah, yeah, trust me, they all stink really bad.
How they wipe when they have to go to the bathroom,
they don't. Yeah, leave, I mean, I guess you could
do that dog thing just screwed across the ground trying
to wipe it out. Another reason I probably wouldn't be
able to make it out there. I gotta have that,
(09:40):
got to wipe your butt. Yeah, Colorado look cold too,
so jumping in like a lake or a body of water.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Oh yeah, great, Yeah, yeah, that was the thing that
I get first showed, you know, September, and I was like, man,
September around here wouldn't be bad. You'd probably have like
a month or so of like warm weather would still
be hot. But like, no, you know, in the mountains
of Colorado, September is probably pretty cold already.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Oh yeah, see they did around here that I'd be
freaking out on another level because ticks. Yeah, not only
do I have to worry about Russian invasion, now I'm
getting lime disease.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Come on, well, correct me about the whole time, Like
they're in the mountain there in the mountains for what
like three or four months.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, it starts out September and yeah, it goes all
the way to January.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
January, Yeah, I think January. But like so in this time,
they're up there and they don't start like they're just surviving.
They're just trying to survive for like the first two
or three months, and then finally they decide like we
need to fight back. But even when they start fighting
about well, actually didn't even make that choice. It was
the it was still like decently warm, and those people
are the A couple of Russians came up to look
(10:47):
at the overlook, how beautiful it was.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
And it was actually a pretty funny scene, right, uh,
because there's a plaque talking about Edgar Hoover or something
like that in the dedication of this national forest.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, the about or something.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
The one Russian guy they said, hey, you speaking, these
translate that for us, and then the guy translated, like
a bloody battle here.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And it's an overlook ship up.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah, an overlook where there's insane battle where like thirty
thousand people were killeders the fuck.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I feel like somebody got his position in that yeah
group by big full of shit. I just thought that
was kind of funny. And then that's where having to
read the translation kind of paid off. I thought it
made it funnier.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, yeah, got to kick out of that. But even
in that scene, like they knew they a couple of
guys saw him coming up the mountain.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
They're like, they're coming up the mountain, and so what
they do They all were just hanging around the overlooking
one hell full they're going to come up because they
at one point they the guy finds it, Like that
was like that guy was so full of shit. It
was astounding because he finds that arrow and one of
their arrows undergrounds, like, oh a Native American an Indian artifact,
you know, right the last I love the one guy bus.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I'm like, oh, did they work in plastic?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
It's polished bone.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
But yeah, So he goes and look for something else
and then he sees them. They're clinging to the edge
of this like, yeah, the face of there, they overlook,
why were they there? They had plenty of time to run, Like,
what the fuck's going on? I thought they were smarter
than this.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
We needed this scene to happen, right like that was.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
And that that was what called me.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I was like, this is the best thing to come
up with to get them to interact and finally kill someone.
Like it was really weird, like just for being able
to hide for two or three months. Now, all of
a sudden you see them coming and you somehow in
their way.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And at this point in the movie there they have
Leah Thompson and uh, Jennifer Gray. Yeah, because they visited
a cabin out in the middle of nowhere. Uh, and
people that were living there, probably homesteaders that I guess
knew Jed, but he gave them boozes here here to
(12:58):
keep you warm at night. It was a bottle with
ski gave him. It looked like he had like a
radio that had it frozen.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
So I guess if I wasn't sure why how it
was supposed to work after it.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, I wasn't sure either, but I assumed it was
like if anybody invaded, they were looking around, they assume
it's just frozen, right.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, that's what I soumed. It was like to hide
it some way, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
And they said in something else and they had keepsakes
or mementos or something so weird, and it was like,
I guess it were his granddaughters.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, I don't know, Like I assumed they were to
keep him warm too.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
They opened up black the cellar door, and there they were,
Yeah it was. And would they are they safer there
at the cabin right or And I don't know. I
got the impression the Russians were letting certain people go
about their day and other people that maybe they thought
were a threat rounded up and put like an interment
camp and then brainwashed, and then some people just straight
(13:52):
up murdered.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
So solid amount of people straight up murder Yeah, well, yeah,
I love that part. There's a part earlier where the
guys like go to the sporting goods store and find
a list of the people that bought rifles, like they
will be the ones who are danger.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Like this is nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
We can't get there, Like there's barely any lists to
keep people on like that registry now, Like I don't
think there's a very ltiial tight list. It was just hey,
that guy bought a shotgun in some deer rifles, Like
I don't think you're getting a whole lot of dangerous
like right, they just be out there right to start
a revolve revolution from your sporting goods store.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
But it is, I mean, when they get to the
point where they they are fighting back again, no training, right,
military is really good.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Just their dad taught them.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, but I do like it, you know, because they're
all high school kids and they're all on the football
team that when they start leaving their moniker.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
It's wolver reads. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I gotta tell you, watching this back in eighty four
as a kid or you know, teenager, that ship was cool.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Oh yeah, I had that.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I can tell you anytime, even to this day. There's
some scenarios where I'll shout wolf and I just hope
people get it.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Oh yeah, like that's that's that's that's the iconic thing
about this movie is Yo Wolverines. Even even like I
didn't like I said, I don't remember really watching this
movie before, but.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Everybody knows what the fuck that is. Everybody knows new
Yo Wolverines. Like that's like a kind of battle cry,
you know.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I hope, I hope it's not from the remake with
Josh Peck, Josh Chris Hensworth.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I don't no need to remake movies. Hollywood come up
with new ideas.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, I think they're out. It's all over now.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I did see that some people didn't like this movie,
and just the whole thing with the Russians it's called
a political propaganda.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Mm hmm. I was thinking about that when we're watching it.
Not political propaganda.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I was just thinking about the movie being made, like well,
like in the second one they had, they switched it
from Russia to North.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Korea because I'm like, yeah, I mean, you want to
make a movie like you're going to have like movies,
we're fighting someone, you need an enemy, right, So that
was the.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Cold War, so it's really easy to make an enemy.
Who's the one nation who's like.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And like I said, in the eighties, Russians. Yeah, Rocky four,
come on, that was just it. You know, that was
the That's why there was so many movies with the
Russians with the bad guy. I'm sure it's still that
same way because you got Russian mom. I mean you
know so, oh John Wick, wasn't he.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Fighting the Russian mom? Yeah? Well, I mean all the
Russians are still right.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
And they're just not as prevalent in that it was
in the eighties, right Once I said, like you bad
guy for your movie?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, oh he's Russian.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Okay, Yeah, it's okay, it makes sense, makes sense in America.
But sitting there thinking that is like, man, I would
love to find a Russian made movie where, you know,
they had to make one that America is the bad guy, right.
There has to be some of those movies out there
that they were watching that were hitting their movie theaters
that was, you know, an invasion of the American you know,
the bad Americans that they were repelling back. I'd love
to fucking watch one of those, right, Like, I'd be
(17:12):
so good to see what they said about us compared
to like how we portrayed them, you know, like had
to be I assume it's like they portrayed us as
like assholes who just lived in life of access and
I didn't know anything. Of course, that's of course, that's
the stereotype of American.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Like like this one review, I think this guy some
kind of how I look at it, but he had
a question mark triggered I mean triggered question mark. The
problem with people critics nowadays is they take themselves way
too serious, just grabs popcorn and relax. And yes, those
of us that grew up during the Cold War sometimes
(17:46):
took our patriotism to the limit, even with good old
fashioned corny action flicks. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a
I feel like the movie definitely is like an eighties
time capsule. Yeah, especially with some of the act got
the Russians of the Bad Guys Eah America.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Fuck yeah, that's that's kind of the way I looked
at it. Was Honestly, I I know, I know, you're
you guy, Eric, he loves this movie and everything I said,
but it just didn't really land for me.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Like it felt.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Clunky, like like there there wasn't a lot of explanation
and everything. But at the same time, like I love
the story part of it, you know, it was just
I feel like they could have done a better job
of like of getting there, you know, like this like
this stick come on, that was lazy.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
They're hanging off the cliff. That's when they were first interact.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Like give me something man like have them like usually
telling me they didn't come up looking for these kids
because they they walked into town that one time, snuck
into town and they're like they're looking for you.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Obviously not very hard like right now, that's a hilarious
sy and everybody's worried about their safety and they're just
strolling around like it's nothing. And it goes up to
like the prisoner camp and talks to their dad. That
whole scene was just a train wreck, and like you
think they think there have been guards in the outside, Like, hey,
I think we found them over in Remember.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Those guys kids were looking for I'm pretty sure they're
talking to him right now.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Well, I mean I'm sure that in the movie. I mean,
you needed to portray the villains. Is also inapt true? Yeah,
you know this is all about the wolverines.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Right because they walk into that one store and talk
to the lady and she's like, they're looking for you, right,
and there's a guard walking in her store who doesn't
like look down and go like that looks like I
should check that out.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
She got really tense all the time.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Did they well I know it was the eighties, but
did they not have photos? Did they have somebody sketch
artists do drawings of them?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
They have the best gun registry of all the sporty
good stories, but no photos.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
No photos, just hand drawn pictures. So they It reminds
me of a theo Vonne made this joke about can
you imagine the Old West? That they would just draw
pictures of you and they would show the mustache and
you could just literally go shave your mustache, walk out,
become the sheriff, and you could spend the next twenty
years trying to find yourself.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
So maybe they.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Really only had some drawings or something.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
True. Yeah, I don't know. It was just funny how
like everybody weren't even trying to hide in town. Huh,
strolling through the.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Snow hats, you know, some of the classic wasted disguise
yourself sunglasses and hats.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
They didn't even try that.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, yeah, no wigs, nothing, nothing. Yeah, I mean it
was funny, like they there, what would they have to identify?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
But everybody was.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
It was just the way everybody freaked out about seeing them,
like they're looking for you, Like yeah, well yeah, unless
they I mean they shot up everybody, but we just
walked by like ten of them. Unless they walked, unless
they went to the school. They shot up and picked
pulled some yearbook off the wall. Yeah, that that scene
where they see their dad. I was like, I was
(20:41):
that was brady to give up on that scene.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Like you feeling said.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Avenge me, Oh my god, like I said, it was
just the two parts didn't match up. And and again, Eric,
I am sorry, I know you love the movie. I
just it just wasn't hitting. That wasn't it, because like
that scene they.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
His dad was kind of a douche like he's there,
they walk up and he's like I was hard on
your kids now, and I get that part, like, hey,
like this is why I was hard on you to
do that, But what he showed no emotion that whole time.
It was just like I don't know if they're trying
to portray him as like because he looked like he
got the shit kicked out of him, Like I don't
know if they were trying to portray that he was
just kind of out of it or whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
But then like you know, he's sitting there, he's like,
stop your crying. Don't don't you ever cry again? Not
just don't cry about me, don't ever cry again.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
And then and then like instead of like giving him
some like heartfelt like motivation, like you need to go.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Out there and you need to stay alive, and you
need like give him.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Some pump up speech to go out there because they're
probably not going to see again. But you just like
tell him basically, you know, leave in your solemn state.
And then all of a sudden start yelling avenge me
as they're like twenty feet away.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
It was just weird.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I just it was just just didn't connect for me,
you know. Yeah, and maybe that guy was just a
shitty act.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
This is not the first time you've seen the movie though, right.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Like I said, I don't. I don't remember it, so
I might not have seen the movie before. Wow, yeah,
I remember.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I remembered like bits and pieces, but like it could
have just been while I was flipping through stuff, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, not everybody likes this movie. This one guy gave
it a one out of ten. Just caught a crap.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Like I said, I liked the story.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I just wish they would have went about it better,
you know, Like the story was fun. But I was
hoping like even when they were in the when they
were in the mountains, that they would have showed them
like that, like the one kid was an eagle skyle,
like I said, they would have had a better shelter
or something, because they just weren't gonna make it with
what they had. They were just sitting around a campfire
the entire time, for months on end in the snow.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I don't know, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
The For me, though, nostalgia plays a part in how
much I do enjoy it, but also I could see
ways to edit it that sucker down. There's a lot
of a time where it gets boring, right because we're
showing like this passage of time where they're out in
the wilderness and they're doing this. It definitely could have
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been short. But it comes back alive when the one
pilot his playing gets shot down and they help him
out and he's a cool character.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
What's his name pedophile because he was did you did
you read about that? Like, god, no, apparently there was.
I don't, like, I don't know how this girl was
supposed to be. I don't I assume high school but
under the age. But there apparently there was a like
a more Powers booth.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, played Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Tanner.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Apparently there was like they cut the scene because it
didn't play well the audiences that there was supposed to
be like more of a romantic relationship between him and
oh guy Leah Thompson. Yeah, And I was like, yeah,
that's a good call because it was awkward as it
was like he's definitely like, what mid thirties, he looks
like he's even if he's not, even if he's only thirty.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
He looks older than him. He looks like an old dude.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
And it was a very like kind of like flirty
relationship there. And he wasn't backing away from him. It
wasn't like you could see where the girl would be
like infatuated with like an older father showing up.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
But he didn't back out of it. Like it was
like he played into it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And I was like, yeah, he was wearing she was
giving him flowers, he was wearing them on his pocket. Uh.
Then when he does meet his demise, He's like, I'm
never gonna love again. I never I never read into
it like that. I just like she had a.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
There's a fly in here. Yeah, sorry get it?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, inswer okay, But I mean I thought when his
character showed up, it helped out.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
His character was a.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Cool, little cool cat like I like, he seemed like
a fun dude and like he was a grizzly, grizzled
army guy. You know he's and he didn't he didn't
see announce on you. He didn't like a like be
a dick to the kids, like he realized, like I
got shot down. Uh, but now I'm with you. Know
these guys, these kids that I've heard about, like that
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they're that they're the resistance and they've been out here surviving.
So he didn't you know, talk down to him or anything.
He just tried to fit right in and be the
you know, kind of voice of reason sometimes.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, it's a great line he has where one of
the kids, I think, see Thomas how this carving notches
in his gun his gun stock, Yeah, for all his kills,
and he's like that that hates going to eat you up, kid,
And oh my god, he's like keeps me warm at.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Night, that kid, you could, I mean they did. That's
one thing that did definitely did a good job as
showing like that guy was unstable, Like his character was
like he liked killing too much.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Right, if the rush has never showed up, what was
he gonna do?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I've thought about It's like, oh, this kid is gonna
be a serial killer. But I also loved his line
where when Patrick Swaye' is like, oh, you're so good
how you got shot down?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Didn't He's like it was five to one, I got
four of him. I didn't like that to ask you.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Should we take a quick break and come back with
the rest of Red Dawn yash Or Wolverines.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Was that.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
It's a really good burt. It was not on, but
we are on. We're back. Red don Yeah, Red done,
Yeah America.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Uh you know.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Uh, one of the like towards the end when some
of the Wolverines meet their demise, there's like three of
these helicopters, Russian helicopters. They come up, but I swear
you could hear them coming, right, They knew they were
coming by away and they but they still kind of
just kept hanging out and stood there like the rocks
(26:47):
all the cover. Well that's right before that though. One
of their buddies was a trader. Oh yeah, the mayor's kid,
right or the yeah, the mayor's son. I guess he's
snuck into town. He's stuck into town. Like you think,
you know, there's enough people in the Wolverines that you
would notice somebody got up and snuck away, right, But
(27:09):
I guess, you know, everybody's a really sound sleeper.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
But they had a bug on him.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So he helped, you know, he helped bring the the.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
The villain troops, which was crazy because they don't really
they just show the scene where the Russians or Cubans
or whatever are sneaking through the woods for the first time,
trying to take him out. So they're sneaking through looking
at a homing device and still got ambushed, Like they
didn't even know they were coming, and they still somehow ambushed.
(27:41):
The intruth. The wolverines were better, they know the land.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
But yeah, Charlie, she finds the device they were using
and it starts going off and it's like pointing right
to their buddy. And then see Thomas, how psycho the hark.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah he uh, well, he has no problem killing his friend, which, honestly,
in my head, I was like, in that situation, did
like you have to, Like they had to because what
was gonna happen if they let him, Like you don't
want to, but one, he betrayed you. Two he came
up in there and didn't tell you. And then if
you let him go, you know, they're just they're going
to find him.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yeah, and he's gonna tell him where you are because
he's like, he's not going to get torture to death.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
He's going to tell you. Well, yeah, so they would immediately.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
So they needed him to be there to kill him
because otherwise like they're done, like this end of the story,
because he's going to tell them exactly where you are.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, they were going to execute him. But Patrick swayzey
couldn't do it right. I just couldn't get the triggered.
But see Thomas l he was all over it.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I just loved the nonchalant Like first he's like, you
can't kill him, He's like I can.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
We're gonna shoot Russian they captured.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, did he say it? Then?
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Like could he be my friends so I don't die alone?
Say that to that He said that to.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
The brand or whatever his name is.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
But yeah, I loved how he's like you can't kill him,
exactly I can, and then like Patrick Swayze's holding the
guns like ah and then turns away and all of
a sudden it's just prop like god, like holy shit,
Like yeah, he did not waste a second. He's like, oh,
there's weakness in that guy.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
You're right that guy definitely he was gonna be a psychopath.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah, Like that's his character was probably the best developed.
And like I mean, which is the only why, Like
at the end where he just stands out in front
of that helicopter, and just gets shot. Was like, that
probably makes sense because he he was losing it pretty hard.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
But they have plenty of time. They're like there were
so many rocks, big rocks, I kind of rocks that
you would jump on if a grabber, a grab boy
was coming at you. Tremors. They could have hid under
the rocks, but they kind of just waited for a.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
While, like wonder what that is? What is that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
What does that sound like?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And then when they came up over the ridge it
was helicopters. Then they still kind of panicked and didn't
you know, like a cartoon like what we're supposed to do?
That kind of pissed me off. I'm like, God, right,
you've been out here doing this for a while, successfully
staying alive, and you're just gonna hang out in the
open and wait to see what kind of chopper comes
over the ridge?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Right? What cracked me up with those choppers?
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Like I guess maybe they didn't have missiles, but I
was like, they come over that ridge, they see everybody.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Oh look they're all in a group, right, one missile
and it's the should have scattered and ran like it
in his exact pattern, procan can't get you teens, Alligator
can't get you in a exact pattern. Maybe there's Helicondris
can't Yeah, but yeah, and but the yeah, and Patrick
Swayze has been carving in the names on this one rock. Yeah,
(30:37):
of every fallen Wolverine, this is dad. This has been
down since eighty four, so big spoilers pretty.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Much every Wolverine just about yeah, yeah, just about what
he gives away. Then at the one point, because that
at that point that he's like there's only like four
of them left, and he carves his name and his
brother's name on the rock before they leave, so you know,
they're like they know, like we're going, we're gonna go
die so you can live.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Get the fuck out of here, and.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
America does when and they make a memorial out of
that rock.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, yeah, it was that whole Like the scene they
go into town, I was like, I don't like I
thought like the way they planned they it's like, you
guys are going to make it out. Come on, you're
not trained, Like there's no way the hunter or whatever
the hell or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
They had, the one to call himself was gone. Yeah,
like he.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Just like he's they're hiding behind those those guns and
he just starts blindly shooting at the shooting at them.
I'm like, come on, guys, like he saw him before
he saw you.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I did like along the way the different camouflage kids
were using, oh yeahs, you know, whether it was like straw,
uh yeah, you know, big branches. It was cool. Like
even when they're the one guy hit all the hay
or whatever and was creeping on, I'm like, hell yeah,
I love it. I just I like when they were
(31:57):
being all what would you call that stealthy stealth, they
were rowing high numbers on their stealth rolls.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeh oh no, yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
I mean you're you're led to believe the amount of
traps and stuff they were able to set and everything
that they could get supplies and get away from people.
But yeah, like they definitely had top of the line
like they were definitely killing people and getting top of
the line equipment too to sneak through the woods, because
yeah they did. I mean now they grass and stuff time,
so that's just smart. But like they all at one
(32:28):
point they all had like winter cameo on or something
like some sort of white jumps.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
It's funny like all of a sudden, it was they
were snowing a ground. They all had these white outfits.
I'm like, okay, where'd you guys get? Yeah, but now
never thought about it. It makes sense, no, because they've been
you know, killing and looting. Yeah, these other troops and
taking what they needed. Who was it? I forget what
they didn't have one person back there sewing like, oh
(32:53):
now you need white camel, come.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
On, thinking like I forgot about the scene. They they
shot the deer and he made the made the one
kid drink like the blood. It's like, I don't know, man,
that that would be tough. I don't know if I could.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
In my head, I was trying to debate would it
be better if it was warm or cold?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Now, I'm pretty sure in the remake that whole scene
was played off as a joke, like they made him
drink the blood and then they're he made it kind
of like they were, hell, don't know, we never had
to do that. We were joking with you, which takes
away from that scene, right, yeah, Like it's a pretty
serious scene, like they're basically.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I think it was played off as a joke cause
I think I watched the like the remake oddly enough,
and I.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Do like I felt because I was waiting for it
to be a joke, like we never did that. But no,
I was like, oh yeah, like okay, I was like,
oh shit.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
That's I was the same thing. I was like, wait,
this scene do they play do they are they just
fucking with this guy?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Right?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
But no, it was the remake because in the original
it was serious, like it was kind of a write
of passage, spear of the deer. Yeah, you're one of
us and you'll never be the same ever again. Well,
what did you think of the movie?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Over on?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Be honest, Eric's a big boy, he can handle.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
If you didn't like this movie, no I did. I say, Like,
like I said, I loved the spirit of the movie
like that. I love this. I wanted this. I like
the backbone of the story. I liked it. I want
like you want to see that film.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
You want to see these kids kick these fucking Russian
and Cuban guy's asses like that.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Like it was a great story. It was just I
just thought the execution could have been better.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
It's like, if you're going to get for one out
of ten, I'd probably give it like a six. Just
because it was just it just felt clunky. The first
half hour was slow. I wanted more information quicker, you know,
it was I don't know, it was unfortunate. I know
Eric loves it. I'm sorry, I just it was just
it was just a little rough for me. That And
I'm not that I don't think that I've picked movies
and he's hated that, my bet, because that's true.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I love some shitty movies too.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
But I know this though, it's like that's the thing
like this movie, I know, it just kind of stands out.
It's it's a it's a sentimental piece for a lot
of people. This movie defined some people. You know, it
was put up there as like a basically because it
was the Cold War, you know, like that was that
was a I don't know, like if you live now,
you don't think about that was a big fucking thing.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, right, Russia the United States. That was huge. So
that was a great movie to watch at that time
to feel great about your country and they're the enemy
and everything like that.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
So I get why it means a lot to a
lot of people. It's just just rewatching it was as
unfortunate for me.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yeah, no, I enjoyed it, but I it's there's a
lot of nostalgia as I watched it on VHS when.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It came out.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
You know, my friend and I rented it, and we
were in that time period where movies like Russians were
the bad guys America. It it it just kicked more
ass back then than watching it now, much older. Yeah,
because I looked at it like, well, what can we
trim here? We gotta speed this ship up.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Uh, no real any character development.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
We just have characters, so like you couldn't really get
deeply involved with a character, and then when something that happens.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
To him, you're like, fuck, yeah, damn.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I thought he was gonna make it the whole way. Yeah,
But for nostalgia reasons, like, oh no, this it was
great when I first saw it. It's still a good movie.
It's just not a It's not on the top fifty
of the movies that came out of the eighties for me, right,
But I'd recommend it. And also some of these people
(36:30):
bitching about about it, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
It's just a movie.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Holy crap, you know, I don't understand. And yeah, you know,
everybody had probably hated this one, probably loved the remake
because Thor was in it, But that's not it's not
even that good mo either. You got better special effects
things like that. But yeah, I don't know. I would
(36:57):
say when I saw it in nightte eighty four, I
probably would have been like eight or nine out of ten,
it's a million, one million, But now I'd say a
little one. Rid'd put it back to like, I'd give
it a solid six. And it gets a little boy
and even you know, pretty sure is the first time
Liz saw it and she just felt like, you know,
(37:19):
it was getting a little slow, isn't it? Like, yeah,
they're really letting us feel that passage of time. But Eric,
I don't know, send us your review. We'll read it
next time. Since I know you, uh dig this movie.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
You were kind enough.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
To buy the Blu ray for me, so I'd love
to know how it resonates with you or anybody listening
to the show. Yeah, so I'll send him at gmail
dot com. You can give us your opinion. If you
don't like us, we don't care. You don't like us,
we don't care.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Is that a Philly thing?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Oh yeah, all right, Well that's uh had done discussion.
Uh if you watch.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
It, just settle with the eighties. Man, Remember the time
period was made, and.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
If you don't like it, you don't need to get
on the internet and blast out and tell you how
much it sucks.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
People get shit. I mean, I will say the one
like there.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Was as we sit here and talk about it and.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
The uh I did see.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
The one thing that was kind of impressive was like
it was obviously there was nothing. There was no special effects,
there's no miniatures, there's anything. Everything you see was shot
like life size, real time. That's right, It's like, that's
pretty cool. There was a buload of explosions. There was
one point where they were just dropping right. There was
carpet bombing the one area to say that scene was like, okay,
so they're really just blowing ship up in powered ouh
(38:41):
that like empowers booth there with the tanks and everything,
like they're watching yeah, And what cracked me up was
like you watch them, They're like, oh, those were just
real scenes, are like, so they were just bombing that
area for the movie for no literally no reason, Like
they didn't need to plow that up that they were
just sitting on explotions cuz it's the eighties.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Fuck, yeah we are.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, I'm sure you're like, yeah, someone got paid some money.
Oh yeah, they can drop bombs. Wow, here's see, here's
the review. I don't know why I'm looking at these anymore.
Red dawn false don more like it false done?
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Okay, you just maybe it just gets false false done.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah, all right, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
But hey, everybody's in town to their opinion.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Did you have a shot the scene?
Speaker 1 (39:30):
No? Did you I have a shot with shots?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
No? No, I said, you have shot for shot? Do
you have a scene. Do you have a favorite scene?
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Uh, let's see. You know, that's a good question. I
don't know if I do well. I always I always
have one that really stands out and I love I
don't think I do.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, I love the uh oh you know.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
When uh the the girl they they set up a
little trap and uh, Leah Thompson or Jennifer Gray I
either like at a gas station or something. But the
rest of the sods like, hey, come here, pretty lady,
and she starts running away and they all pop up.
They made like little traps and they pop up from
(40:13):
the hayfield and just waste them. I'm like, all right,
Hell yeah, so that'd be mine.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I love the scene, like the it's the one that stuck,
just stuck in my head because it was like funny,
but it was it was cool because it was it
was the last scene where they're basically telling like hey,
uh Leah Thompson and would do the other one on
one that was left like hey, you guys make for
Free America or whatever it is. We're going to go
to cousin distraction in town and so you can get
out of here. But it was the explanation from uh
(40:43):
Charlie Sheen that cracked me up. He's like me and Jed,
we're just all used up.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Like I get it, you're just trying to be the
noble hero, Like we're gonna go constraction. We like we're
over it. We're gonna go give ourselves up so you
can so you can live it. This is the weird
way putting it. We're just all used up.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
This one guy who hate it is like it's hard
to swallow that the fact that a well organized machine
like the Russian Army was to come to a bunch
of kids running around the mountains.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
I love how that person apparently never read about any
revolution or of his entire.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Life like, but also it's a movie. I mean it
wasn't called Red Dawn the Truth, but.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
It's one of those things where you are like, yeah,
those are ragtag bunch of colonies that took on a
very well organized British army.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
In one right.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
H that was but yeah, you know it's it's make believe, right, yeah,
it's it's humans playing make believe and apparently getting the
ok to go ahead and just bomb a bunch of Colorado.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Scene it Colorado come for The explosion effects were pretty good.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, uh, some of the sound effects had like A
didn't care for some of the sound effects on the guns.
It's getting like a reverb kind of uh echo. I
could hear him, and I swear the one shotgun he
put off was like that just I owned a twelve gauge.
That's not what a twelve gage sounds like. His was
solid off though remember not at first, not at first
(42:18):
now I feel like the first time had to use it,
he was like, you know what, I'm sewing this off
because because he's yeah, he needs to have a bigger, bigger,
bigger spray pattern. That's right, Because he was losing his mind.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
He's a killing machine movie.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
She've been called hard bark at your story. Well, there
you go. That's our rating, that's our that's our opinion.
So now it's just me losing the train of thought.
I was like, you want to say here, so I
want to kick it over to you. Right, what's for
next time?
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I mean, I missed out on October by not picking
a Halloween movie, so I'm not doing that this time.
Next time will be in December, so I'm picking the
greatest Christmas.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Movie of all time. Don't don't do it. You're goddamn right.
I am fucking die Hard.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
There you go, fucking die Hard, all right? Can if
you like the show? Five stars, Apples, Spotify, don't know
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Speaker 3 (43:36):
But apparently it's gonna be a fight next time, so
come tune in for that. I'm right, Christmas.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
All right? Till next time.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Keep them in those weights, bitches,
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I got one beer in front of me, one beer
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
It's podcast math.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
This episode, it sounds like I was going about to
do a commercial. This episode is brought to you by
Pine Creek Spirits. On this episode, we're going back to
a classic from nineteen eighty four, Red.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Dawn, Yep. Classic. You know.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It's like a movie about that one time when Russians
parachuted into a high school in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It was so weird, like going back. I don't know
if I ever watched the movie, like the whole way through.
I've seen bits and pieces, but it's one of those things.
It was eighty four, so I probably saw it years ago,
but I don't really didn't really remember most of it,
and it was like that was the thing that hit
me first right away, was this is not a big city, like,
this is a rural town, like something you would think
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they wouldn't be parachuting into, right, Like that's when you
just leave out in the country and don't worry about
overtaking it right away because there's only like fifteen people
living there.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah. Yeah, they land like in a football field in Colorado.
It's high school and the movie kind of opens like
the kids are at school. We get Patrick Swayzey dropping up.
Now he's supposed to be the quarterback, but he looks
like he's like twenty five.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well I thought he was the old like he was
the former quarter former quarterback he graduated. He's definitely yeah,
he's Johnny quarterback.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
All right, no character development a little bit. The kids
get in school and then parachute. They look out and
there's uh, para jumpers right and then and then Chit's on.
I'm like, oh wow, okay, they wasted no time getting
right into it.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
My favorite, my favorite part of that opening scene was, uh,
the school teacher was the was the police chief from
Last Action Hero right like slight.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
When I say para jumpers, paratroopers, parent jumpers. But that
leads us into the bulk of the story. These kids
have to get out of town, and it's actually Russians
and Cubans.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, and Cubans yep.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Because I had forgotten't seen it for a while, forgot
so when the one guy said something about, I don't
know they were speaking Spanish. Yeah, At first I thought
maybe that was a joke, like, oh, you just didn't
this kid just doesn't know what another language sounds like,
because I had forgot about the movie. But as a
you know, once we started really getting to him, like, oh,
that's right. One thing I noticed about it too, Like
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a lot of movies from the eighties, when the Russians talked,
they just do an accent. Yeah, but here they they
we had to read something.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
That's why it cracked me up is how many subtitles
they were, like, because they did, like whether it was
Rushi or I don't know because I don't speak Russian.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Guys sounded legit. They could have been mumbling though, I
don't know, but yeah, I was. It was funny how
yeah they had you had to read subtitles like they
didn't they didn't try to like give you a bad
English accent. They just went straight to acting like they
were Russian for a.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Movie in the eighties. Very kind of odd, right, very progressive,
right because Drago right, he did the almost Break You.
But also who was no Switzenegger was a read. What
was the movie he was in where he was a Russian?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I don't remember that?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Mm hmm, Well, but Arnold has a bad at Austrian
no matter what. No, he definitely was.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
In the movie We played Russian.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
The movie is directed by I mean pronounce the name correctly,
John Millius, who you might not know or remember. He
also directed Konan, which we talked about.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Side note. I watched I was almost done a lot
more than that, but that's too great.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
But we like we we watched Conan before and uh
like we talked about how the Conan Destroyer was like bad.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Arnold didn't even like it.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
He was a writer on that, but I wonder if
he directed too.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I watched Conan and the Destroyer the other day and
it is just a camp be good time. I'm sorry
it's not.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Good, but I had fun.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
He also directed writer and director. I haven't seen that
for a long time. But it's campy and that's the
best one. No, it's not a good movie, but it
was enjoyable.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
That's not you're gonna watch for next time.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
No no, no, that's like it's because it's another like
two and a half hour, you know, nightmare. So I
watched it on TV, like I'm good now I don't
need to watch it for another twenty years.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
So we have the Russians dropping him then and they
just they just blast a couple of school kids.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Oh yeah, just just straight into the window. They're all
looking out the window going what the hell? They blow
blow the teacher when he walks out, and then just
you know, just machine guns straight through the wall.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah. I don't mean. They rounded up a lot of
the townsfolk and we're like just playing the stuff about
how bad America is and yeah, I guess trying to
maybe mind control and get them to like, yes, right,
we want.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
To be part of Russia.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Uh. But they but they start off just like killing
a bunch of people.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Oh ye, But the.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Kids manage to get out of town because Jed shows up. Yeah,
I like out of nowhere way shows up.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Just turns around in his his Shyenne pickup truck. He
was what miles away had to be miles away, and
I don't know if he saw him, but yeah, he
booked it back and picked him all up in the truck.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Everyone that could get in the back all I know,
just jumping in it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
That truck was just glorious though, like that short bed
ye pickup truck.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Jacked up truck is great. Now, this play, this, the
cast is more than just Patrick swayzeing.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
This was the eighties, so we have Charlie Sheen, see
Thomas how Leah Thompson, Jennifer Greg with her before she
got to know his job, and nobody knew what she
looked like. So it was pretty Uh, it's pretty good cast.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I think this was like Charlie Sheen's first like big role.
Oh was it? I think so before he got some.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Of that tiger blood.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Oh yeah, before he Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I think
I read it. It was like his first that kind of
like breakout kind of roll, like you know, Internet was right.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
So yeah, Patrick and Charlie and this are brothers Jit
and Matt Eckert.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Uh they do they stop on the way out. They
stop at like a gas station. Yeah, which I thought
like I was misinterpreted. I thought it was their dad
whenever they stopped. But no, it's just his family friend
or one of the other guy's dads or something.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
But I think it was one of the other guys dads.
All right.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
But this small little gas station had everything they needed.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It was like the They loaded up on guns, like
sporting goods and gas. Yeah, got a.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Load up on guns, ammo, camping equipment, everything they needed.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I loved when I was grabbing the cardboard things full
of like arrows and like the boat and grabbing like
the big thing of arrows.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Take Yeah, yeah, that was awesome. He told him like, no,
I'll get word of your dad. Get going, get out town. Yeah, see,
head out in the woods because you know they're familiar
with the woods because.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Hunters, which always led.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
When I first watched his my friend back in the day,
we were like, oh, we could probably do this.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Oh we know, we know the woods out here. We
have our hunting.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Rifles, and we were we were like, hell, yeah, we
could do this.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Like no, no, we never could. Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
For me, I don't even know why I was agreeing
with him. I was the worst hunter. I could barely
sit still. There's times I would put the gun down
and pick up like a decently long stick and just
act like I was sword fighting out in the woods,
just trying. I just needed to clock the tick. Yeah,
so I can get to a decent amount of time
where I can go find my buddy where he was
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at his spot and tell him like, hey man, it's
almost lunchtime. Was heading grass of lunch? I just I
couldn't sit still. Did you see anything? Nah?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I mean either, Yeah, I don't know. It's like it's
like they know him there. Yeah, it's worst hunter.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
But I don't know how we thought we were gonna.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, be able to do this well honestly, I mean
movie magic. They didn't do a real good job either,
Like they had a lean to after three months and
the brutal winner of Colorado Mountain, right, I'm sitting there watching,
going this is terrible. Like one of these kids, one
of these kids apparently an eagle scout, and like all
they have is like a lean to.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
What the fun? There's no way they're making it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Like my wife was like, how do they, you know,
take a bath?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I'm like, I don't think they are.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
They are Yeah, yeah, trust me, they all stink really bad.
How they wipe when they have to go to the bathroom,
they don't. Yeah, leave, I mean, I guess you could
do that dog thing just screwed across the ground trying
to wipe it out. Another reason I probably wouldn't be
able to make it out there. I gotta have that,
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got to wipe your butt. Yeah, Colorado look cold too,
so jumping in like a lake or a body of water.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Oh yeah, great, Yeah, yeah, that was the thing that
I get first showed, you know, September, and I was like, man,
September around here wouldn't be bad. You'd probably have like
a month or so of like warm weather would still
be hot. But like, no, you know, in the mountains
of Colorado, September is probably pretty cold already.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Oh yeah, see they did around here that I'd be
freaking out on another level because ticks. Yeah, not only
do I have to worry about Russian invasion, now I'm
getting lime disease.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Come on, well, correct me about the whole time, Like
they're in the mountain there in the mountains for what
like three or four months.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, it starts out September and yeah, it goes all
the way to January.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
January, Yeah, I think January. But like so in this time,
they're up there and they don't start like they're just surviving.
They're just trying to survive for like the first two
or three months, and then finally they decide like we
need to fight back. But even when they start fighting
about well, actually didn't even make that choice. It was
the it was still like decently warm, and those people
are the A couple of Russians came up to look
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at the overlook, how beautiful it was.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
And it was actually a pretty funny scene, right, uh,
because there's a plaque talking about Edgar Hoover or something
like that in the dedication of this national forest.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, the about or something.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
The one Russian guy they said, hey, you speaking, these
translate that for us, and then the guy translated, like
a bloody battle here.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And it's an overlook ship up.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah, an overlook where there's insane battle where like thirty
thousand people were killeders the fuck.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I feel like somebody got his position in that yeah
group by big full of shit. I just thought that
was kind of funny. And then that's where having to
read the translation kind of paid off. I thought it
made it funnier.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, yeah, got to kick out of that. But even
in that scene, like they knew they a couple of
guys saw him coming up the mountain.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
They're like, they're coming up the mountain, and so what
they do They all were just hanging around the overlooking
one hell full they're going to come up because they
at one point they the guy finds it, Like that
was like that guy was so full of shit. It
was astounding because he finds that arrow and one of
their arrows undergrounds, like, oh a Native American an Indian artifact,
you know, right the last I love the one guy bus.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I'm like, oh, did they work in plastic?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
It's polished bone.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
But yeah, So he goes and look for something else
and then he sees them. They're clinging to the edge
of this like, yeah, the face of there, they overlook,
why were they there? They had plenty of time to run, Like,
what the fuck's going on? I thought they were smarter
than this.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
We needed this scene to happen, right like that was.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
And that that was what called me.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I was like, this is the best thing to come
up with to get them to interact and finally kill someone.
Like it was really weird, like just for being able
to hide for two or three months. Now, all of
a sudden you see them coming and you somehow in
their way.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And at this point in the movie there they have
Leah Thompson and uh, Jennifer Gray. Yeah, because they visited
a cabin out in the middle of nowhere. Uh, and
people that were living there, probably homesteaders that I guess
knew Jed, but he gave them boozes here here to
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keep you warm at night. It was a bottle with
ski gave him. It looked like he had like a
radio that had it frozen.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
So I guess if I wasn't sure why how it
was supposed to work after it.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, I wasn't sure either, but I assumed it was
like if anybody invaded, they were looking around, they assume
it's just frozen, right.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, that's what I soumed. It was like to hide
it some way, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
And they said in something else and they had keepsakes
or mementos or something so weird, and it was like,
I guess it were his granddaughters.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, I don't know, Like I assumed they were to
keep him warm too.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
They opened up black the cellar door, and there they were,
Yeah it was. And would they are they safer there
at the cabin right or And I don't know. I
got the impression the Russians were letting certain people go
about their day and other people that maybe they thought
were a threat rounded up and put like an interment
camp and then brainwashed, and then some people just straight
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up murdered.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
So solid amount of people straight up murder Yeah, well, yeah,
I love that part. There's a part earlier where the
guys like go to the sporting goods store and find
a list of the people that bought rifles, like they
will be the ones who are danger.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Like this is nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
We can't get there, Like there's barely any lists to
keep people on like that registry now, Like I don't
think there's a very ltiial tight list. It was just hey,
that guy bought a shotgun in some deer rifles, Like
I don't think you're getting a whole lot of dangerous
like right, they just be out there right to start
a revolve revolution from your sporting goods store.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
But it is, I mean, when they get to the
point where they they are fighting back again, no training, right,
military is really good.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Just their dad taught them.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, but I do like it, you know, because they're
all high school kids and they're all on the football
team that when they start leaving their moniker.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
It's wolver reads. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I gotta tell you, watching this back in eighty four
as a kid or you know, teenager, that ship was cool.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Oh yeah, I had that.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I can tell you anytime, even to this day. There's
some scenarios where I'll shout wolf and I just hope
people get it.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Oh yeah, like that's that's that's that's the iconic thing
about this movie is Yo Wolverines. Even even like I
didn't like I said, I don't remember really watching this
movie before, but.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Everybody knows what the fuck that is. Everybody knows new
Yo Wolverines. Like that's like a kind of battle cry,
you know.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I hope, I hope it's not from the remake with
Josh Peck, Josh Chris Hensworth.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I don't no need to remake movies. Hollywood come up
with new ideas.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, I think they're out. It's all over now.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I did see that some people didn't like this movie,
and just the whole thing with the Russians it's called
a political propaganda.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Mm hmm. I was thinking about that when we're watching it.
Not political propaganda.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I was just thinking about the movie being made, like well,
like in the second one they had, they switched it
from Russia to North.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Korea because I'm like, yeah, I mean, you want to
make a movie like you're going to have like movies,
we're fighting someone, you need an enemy, right, So that
was the.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Cold War, so it's really easy to make an enemy.
Who's the one nation who's like.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And like I said, in the eighties, Russians. Yeah, Rocky four,
come on, that was just it. You know, that was
the That's why there was so many movies with the
Russians with the bad guy. I'm sure it's still that
same way because you got Russian mom. I mean you
know so, oh John Wick, wasn't he.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Fighting the Russian mom? Yeah? Well, I mean all the
Russians are still right.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
And they're just not as prevalent in that it was
in the eighties, right Once I said, like you bad
guy for your movie?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, oh he's Russian.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Okay, Yeah, it's okay, it makes sense, makes sense in America.
But sitting there thinking that is like, man, I would
love to find a Russian made movie where, you know,
they had to make one that America is the bad guy, right.
There has to be some of those movies out there
that they were watching that were hitting their movie theaters
that was, you know, an invasion of the American you know,
the bad Americans that they were repelling back. I'd love
to fucking watch one of those, right, Like, I'd be
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so good to see what they said about us compared
to like how we portrayed them, you know, like had
to be I assume it's like they portrayed us as
like assholes who just lived in life of access and
I didn't know anything. Of course, that's of course, that's
the stereotype of American.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Like like this one review, I think this guy some
kind of how I look at it, but he had
a question mark triggered I mean triggered question mark. The
problem with people critics nowadays is they take themselves way
too serious, just grabs popcorn and relax. And yes, those
of us that grew up during the Cold War sometimes
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took our patriotism to the limit, even with good old
fashioned corny action flicks. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a
I feel like the movie definitely is like an eighties
time capsule. Yeah, especially with some of the act got
the Russians of the Bad Guys Eah America.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Fuck yeah, that's that's kind of the way I looked
at it. Was Honestly, I I know, I know, you're
you guy, Eric, he loves this movie and everything I said,
but it just didn't really land for me.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Like it felt.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Clunky, like like there there wasn't a lot of explanation
and everything. But at the same time, like I love
the story part of it, you know, it was just
I feel like they could have done a better job
of like of getting there, you know, like this like
this stick come on, that was lazy.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
They're hanging off the cliff. That's when they were first interact.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Like give me something man like have them like usually
telling me they didn't come up looking for these kids
because they they walked into town that one time, snuck
into town and they're like they're looking for you.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Obviously not very hard like right now, that's a hilarious
sy and everybody's worried about their safety and they're just
strolling around like it's nothing. And it goes up to
like the prisoner camp and talks to their dad. That
whole scene was just a train wreck, and like you
think they think there have been guards in the outside, Like, hey,
I think we found them over in Remember.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Those guys kids were looking for I'm pretty sure they're
talking to him right now.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Well, I mean I'm sure that in the movie. I mean,
you needed to portray the villains. Is also inapt true? Yeah,
you know this is all about the wolverines.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Right because they walk into that one store and talk
to the lady and she's like, they're looking for you, right,
and there's a guard walking in her store who doesn't
like look down and go like that looks like I
should check that out.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
She got really tense all the time.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Did they well I know it was the eighties, but
did they not have photos? Did they have somebody sketch
artists do drawings of them?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
They have the best gun registry of all the sporty
good stories, but no photos.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
No photos, just hand drawn pictures. So they It reminds
me of a theo Vonne made this joke about can
you imagine the Old West? That they would just draw
pictures of you and they would show the mustache and
you could just literally go shave your mustache, walk out,
become the sheriff, and you could spend the next twenty
years trying to find yourself.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
So maybe they.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Really only had some drawings or something.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
True. Yeah, I don't know. It was just funny how
like everybody weren't even trying to hide in town. Huh,
strolling through the.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Snow hats, you know, some of the classic wasted disguise
yourself sunglasses and hats.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
They didn't even try that.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, yeah, no wigs, nothing, nothing. Yeah, I mean it
was funny, like they there, what would they have to identify?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
But everybody was.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
It was just the way everybody freaked out about seeing them,
like they're looking for you, Like yeah, well yeah, unless
they I mean they shot up everybody, but we just
walked by like ten of them. Unless they walked, unless
they went to the school. They shot up and picked
pulled some yearbook off the wall. Yeah, that that scene
where they see their dad. I was like, I was
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that was brady to give up on that scene.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Like you feeling said.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Avenge me, Oh my god, like I said, it was
just the two parts didn't match up. And and again, Eric,
I am sorry, I know you love the movie. I
just it just wasn't hitting. That wasn't it, because like
that scene they.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
His dad was kind of a douche like he's there,
they walk up and he's like I was hard on
your kids now, and I get that part, like, hey,
like this is why I was hard on you to
do that, But what he showed no emotion that whole time.
It was just like I don't know if they're trying
to portray him as like because he looked like he
got the shit kicked out of him, Like I don't
know if they were trying to portray that he was
just kind of out of it or whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
But then like you know, he's sitting there, he's like,
stop your crying. Don't don't you ever cry again? Not
just don't cry about me, don't ever cry again.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
And then and then like instead of like giving him
some like heartfelt like motivation, like you need to go.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Out there and you need to stay alive, and you
need like give him.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Some pump up speech to go out there because they're
probably not going to see again. But you just like
tell him basically, you know, leave in your solemn state.
And then all of a sudden start yelling avenge me
as they're like twenty feet away.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
It was just weird.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I just it was just just didn't connect for me,
you know. Yeah, and maybe that guy was just a
shitty act.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
This is not the first time you've seen the movie though, right.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Like I said, I don't. I don't remember it, so
I might not have seen the movie before. Wow, yeah,
I remember.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I remembered like bits and pieces, but like it could
have just been while I was flipping through stuff, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, not everybody likes this movie. This one guy gave
it a one out of ten. Just caught a crap.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Like I said, I liked the story.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I just wish they would have went about it better,
you know, Like the story was fun. But I was
hoping like even when they were in the when they
were in the mountains, that they would have showed them
like that, like the one kid was an eagle skyle,
like I said, they would have had a better shelter
or something, because they just weren't gonna make it with
what they had. They were just sitting around a campfire
the entire time, for months on end in the snow.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I don't know, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
The For me, though, nostalgia plays a part in how
much I do enjoy it, but also I could see
ways to edit it that sucker down. There's a lot
of a time where it gets boring, right because we're
showing like this passage of time where they're out in
the wilderness and they're doing this. It definitely could have
(23:04):
been short. But it comes back alive when the one
pilot his playing gets shot down and they help him
out and he's a cool character.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
What's his name pedophile because he was did you did
you read about that? Like, god, no, apparently there was.
I don't, like, I don't know how this girl was
supposed to be. I don't I assume high school but
under the age. But there apparently there was a like
a more Powers booth.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, played Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Tanner.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Apparently there was like they cut the scene because it
didn't play well the audiences that there was supposed to
be like more of a romantic relationship between him and
oh guy Leah Thompson. Yeah, And I was like, yeah,
that's a good call because it was awkward as it
was like he's definitely like, what mid thirties, he looks
like he's even if he's not, even if he's only thirty.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
He looks older than him. He looks like an old dude.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
And it was a very like kind of like flirty
relationship there. And he wasn't backing away from him. It
wasn't like you could see where the girl would be
like infatuated with like an older father showing up.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
But he didn't back out of it. Like it was
like he played into it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And I was like, yeah, he was wearing she was
giving him flowers, he was wearing them on his pocket. Uh.
Then when he does meet his demise, He's like, I'm
never gonna love again. I never I never read into
it like that. I just like she had a.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
There's a fly in here. Yeah, sorry get it?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, inswer okay, But I mean I thought when his
character showed up, it helped out.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
His character was a.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Cool, little cool cat like I like, he seemed like
a fun dude and like he was a grizzly, grizzled
army guy. You know he's and he didn't he didn't
see announce on you. He didn't like a like be
a dick to the kids, like he realized, like I
got shot down. Uh, but now I'm with you. Know
these guys, these kids that I've heard about, like that
(25:04):
they're that they're the resistance and they've been out here surviving.
So he didn't you know, talk down to him or anything.
He just tried to fit right in and be the
you know, kind of voice of reason sometimes.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, it's a great line he has where one of
the kids, I think, see Thomas how this carving notches
in his gun his gun stock, Yeah, for all his kills,
and he's like that that hates going to eat you up, kid,
And oh my god, he's like keeps me warm at.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Night, that kid, you could, I mean they did. That's
one thing that did definitely did a good job as
showing like that guy was unstable, Like his character was
like he liked killing too much.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Right, if the rush has never showed up, what was
he gonna do?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I've thought about It's like, oh, this kid is gonna
be a serial killer. But I also loved his line
where when Patrick Swaye' is like, oh, you're so good
how you got shot down?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Didn't He's like it was five to one, I got
four of him. I didn't like that to ask you.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Should we take a quick break and come back with
the rest of Red Dawn yash Or Wolverines.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Was that.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
It's a really good burt. It was not on, but
we are on. We're back. Red don Yeah, Red done,
Yeah America.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Uh you know.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Uh, one of the like towards the end when some
of the Wolverines meet their demise, there's like three of
these helicopters, Russian helicopters. They come up, but I swear
you could hear them coming, right, They knew they were
coming by away and they but they still kind of
just kept hanging out and stood there like the rocks
(26:47):
all the cover. Well that's right before that though. One
of their buddies was a trader. Oh yeah, the mayor's kid,
right or the yeah, the mayor's son. I guess he's
snuck into town. He's stuck into town. Like you think,
you know, there's enough people in the Wolverines that you
would notice somebody got up and snuck away, right, But
(27:09):
I guess, you know, everybody's a really sound sleeper.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
But they had a bug on him.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So he helped, you know, he helped bring the the.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
The villain troops, which was crazy because they don't really
they just show the scene where the Russians or Cubans
or whatever are sneaking through the woods for the first time,
trying to take him out. So they're sneaking through looking
at a homing device and still got ambushed, Like they
didn't even know they were coming, and they still somehow ambushed.
(27:41):
The intruth. The wolverines were better, they know the land.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
But yeah, Charlie, she finds the device they were using
and it starts going off and it's like pointing right
to their buddy. And then see Thomas, how psycho the hark.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah he uh, well, he has no problem killing his friend, which, honestly,
in my head, I was like, in that situation, did
like you have to, Like they had to because what
was gonna happen if they let him, Like you don't
want to, but one, he betrayed you. Two he came
up in there and didn't tell you. And then if
you let him go, you know, they're just they're going
to find him.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yeah, and he's gonna tell him where you are because
he's like, he's not going to get torture to death.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
He's going to tell you. Well, yeah, so they would immediately.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
So they needed him to be there to kill him
because otherwise like they're done, like this end of the story,
because he's going to tell them exactly where you are.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, they were going to execute him. But Patrick swayzey
couldn't do it right. I just couldn't get the triggered.
But see Thomas l he was all over it.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I just loved the nonchalant Like first he's like, you
can't kill him, He's like I can.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
We're gonna shoot Russian they captured.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, did he say it? Then?
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Like could he be my friends so I don't die alone?
Say that to that He said that to.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
The brand or whatever his name is.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
But yeah, I loved how he's like you can't kill him,
exactly I can, and then like Patrick Swayze's holding the
guns like ah and then turns away and all of
a sudden it's just prop like god, like holy shit,
Like yeah, he did not waste a second. He's like, oh,
there's weakness in that guy.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
You're right that guy definitely he was gonna be a psychopath.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah, Like that's his character was probably the best developed.
And like I mean, which is the only why, Like
at the end where he just stands out in front
of that helicopter, and just gets shot. Was like, that
probably makes sense because he he was losing it pretty hard.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
But they have plenty of time. They're like there were
so many rocks, big rocks, I kind of rocks that
you would jump on if a grabber, a grab boy
was coming at you. Tremors. They could have hid under
the rocks, but they kind of just waited for a.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
While, like wonder what that is? What is that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
What does that sound like?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And then when they came up over the ridge it
was helicopters. Then they still kind of panicked and didn't
you know, like a cartoon like what we're supposed to do?
That kind of pissed me off. I'm like, God, right,
you've been out here doing this for a while, successfully
staying alive, and you're just gonna hang out in the
open and wait to see what kind of chopper comes
over the ridge?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Right? What cracked me up with those choppers?
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Like I guess maybe they didn't have missiles, but I
was like, they come over that ridge, they see everybody.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Oh look they're all in a group, right, one missile
and it's the should have scattered and ran like it
in his exact pattern, procan can't get you teens, Alligator
can't get you in a exact pattern. Maybe there's Helicondris
can't Yeah, but yeah, and but the yeah, and Patrick
Swayze has been carving in the names on this one rock. Yeah,
(30:37):
of every fallen Wolverine, this is dad. This has been
down since eighty four, so big spoilers pretty.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Much every Wolverine just about yeah, yeah, just about what
he gives away. Then at the one point, because that
at that point that he's like there's only like four
of them left, and he carves his name and his
brother's name on the rock before they leave, so you know,
they're like they know, like we're going, we're gonna go
die so you can live.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Get the fuck out of here, and.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
America does when and they make a memorial out of
that rock.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, yeah, it was that whole Like the scene they
go into town, I was like, I don't like I
thought like the way they planned they it's like, you
guys are going to make it out. Come on, you're
not trained, Like there's no way the hunter or whatever
the hell or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
They had, the one to call himself was gone. Yeah,
like he.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Just like he's they're hiding behind those those guns and
he just starts blindly shooting at the shooting at them.
I'm like, come on, guys, like he saw him before
he saw you.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I did like along the way the different camouflage kids
were using, oh yeahs, you know, whether it was like straw,
uh yeah, you know, big branches. It was cool. Like
even when they're the one guy hit all the hay
or whatever and was creeping on, I'm like, hell yeah,
I love it. I just I like when they were
(31:57):
being all what would you call that stealthy stealth, they
were rowing high numbers on their stealth rolls.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeh oh no, yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
I mean you're you're led to believe the amount of
traps and stuff they were able to set and everything
that they could get supplies and get away from people.
But yeah, like they definitely had top of the line
like they were definitely killing people and getting top of
the line equipment too to sneak through the woods, because
yeah they did. I mean now they grass and stuff time,
so that's just smart. But like they all at one
(32:28):
point they all had like winter cameo on or something
like some sort of white jumps.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
It's funny like all of a sudden, it was they
were snowing a ground. They all had these white outfits.
I'm like, okay, where'd you guys get? Yeah, but now
never thought about it. It makes sense, no, because they've been
you know, killing and looting. Yeah, these other troops and
taking what they needed. Who was it? I forget what
they didn't have one person back there sewing like, oh
(32:53):
now you need white camel, come.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
On, thinking like I forgot about the scene. They they
shot the deer and he made the made the one
kid drink like the blood. It's like, I don't know, man,
that that would be tough. I don't know if I could.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
In my head, I was trying to debate would it
be better if it was warm or cold?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Now, I'm pretty sure in the remake that whole scene
was played off as a joke, like they made him
drink the blood and then they're he made it kind
of like they were, hell, don't know, we never had
to do that. We were joking with you, which takes
away from that scene, right, yeah, Like it's a pretty
serious scene, like they're basically.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I think it was played off as a joke cause
I think I watched the like the remake oddly enough,
and I.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Do like I felt because I was waiting for it
to be a joke, like we never did that. But no,
I was like, oh yeah, like okay, I was like,
oh shit.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
That's I was the same thing. I was like, wait,
this scene do they play do they are they just
fucking with this guy?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Right?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
But no, it was the remake because in the original
it was serious, like it was kind of a write
of passage, spear of the deer. Yeah, you're one of
us and you'll never be the same ever again. Well,
what did you think of the movie?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Over on?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Be honest, Eric's a big boy, he can handle.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
If you didn't like this movie, no I did. I say, Like,
like I said, I loved the spirit of the movie
like that. I love this. I wanted this. I like
the backbone of the story. I liked it. I want
like you want to see that film.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
You want to see these kids kick these fucking Russian
and Cuban guy's asses like that.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Like it was a great story. It was just I
just thought the execution could have been better.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
It's like, if you're going to get for one out
of ten, I'd probably give it like a six. Just
because it was just it just felt clunky. The first
half hour was slow. I wanted more information quicker, you know,
it was I don't know, it was unfortunate. I know
Eric loves it. I'm sorry, I just it was just
it was just a little rough for me. That And
I'm not that I don't think that I've picked movies
and he's hated that, my bet, because that's true.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I love some shitty movies too.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
But I know this though, it's like that's the thing
like this movie, I know, it just kind of stands out.
It's it's a it's a sentimental piece for a lot
of people. This movie defined some people. You know, it
was put up there as like a basically because it
was the Cold War, you know, like that was that
was a I don't know, like if you live now,
you don't think about that was a big fucking thing.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, right, Russia the United States. That was huge. So
that was a great movie to watch at that time
to feel great about your country and they're the enemy
and everything like that.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
So I get why it means a lot to a
lot of people. It's just just rewatching it was as
unfortunate for me.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yeah, no, I enjoyed it, but I it's there's a
lot of nostalgia as I watched it on VHS when.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It came out.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
You know, my friend and I rented it, and we
were in that time period where movies like Russians were
the bad guys America. It it it just kicked more
ass back then than watching it now, much older. Yeah,
because I looked at it like, well, what can we
trim here? We gotta speed this ship up.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Uh, no real any character development.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
We just have characters, so like you couldn't really get
deeply involved with a character, and then when something that happens.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
To him, you're like, fuck, yeah, damn.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I thought he was gonna make it the whole way. Yeah,
But for nostalgia reasons, like, oh no, this it was
great when I first saw it. It's still a good movie.
It's just not a It's not on the top fifty
of the movies that came out of the eighties for me, right,
But I'd recommend it. And also some of these people
(36:30):
bitching about about it, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
It's just a movie.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Holy crap, you know, I don't understand. And yeah, you know,
everybody had probably hated this one, probably loved the remake
because Thor was in it, But that's not it's not
even that good mo either. You got better special effects
things like that. But yeah, I don't know. I would
(36:57):
say when I saw it in nightte eighty four, I
probably would have been like eight or nine out of ten,
it's a million, one million, But now I'd say a
little one. Rid'd put it back to like, I'd give
it a solid six. And it gets a little boy
and even you know, pretty sure is the first time
Liz saw it and she just felt like, you know,
(37:19):
it was getting a little slow, isn't it? Like, yeah,
they're really letting us feel that passage of time. But Eric,
I don't know, send us your review. We'll read it
next time. Since I know you, uh dig this movie.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
You were kind enough.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
To buy the Blu ray for me, so I'd love
to know how it resonates with you or anybody listening
to the show. Yeah, so I'll send him at gmail
dot com. You can give us your opinion. If you
don't like us, we don't care. You don't like us,
we don't care.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Is that a Philly thing?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Oh yeah, all right, Well that's uh had done discussion.
Uh if you watch.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
It, just settle with the eighties. Man, Remember the time
period was made, and.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
If you don't like it, you don't need to get
on the internet and blast out and tell you how
much it sucks.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
People get shit. I mean, I will say the one
like there.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Was as we sit here and talk about it and.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
The uh I did see.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
The one thing that was kind of impressive was like
it was obviously there was nothing. There was no special effects,
there's no miniatures, there's anything. Everything you see was shot
like life size, real time. That's right, It's like, that's
pretty cool. There was a buload of explosions. There was
one point where they were just dropping right. There was
carpet bombing the one area to say that scene was like, okay,
so they're really just blowing ship up in powered ouh
(38:41):
that like empowers booth there with the tanks and everything,
like they're watching yeah, And what cracked me up was
like you watch them, They're like, oh, those were just
real scenes, are like, so they were just bombing that
area for the movie for no literally no reason, Like
they didn't need to plow that up that they were
just sitting on explotions cuz it's the eighties.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Fuck, yeah we are.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, I'm sure you're like, yeah, someone got paid some money.
Oh yeah, they can drop bombs. Wow, here's see, here's
the review. I don't know why I'm looking at these anymore.
Red dawn false don more like it false done?
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Okay, you just maybe it just gets false false done.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah, all right, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
But hey, everybody's in town to their opinion.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Did you have a shot the scene?
Speaker 1 (39:30):
No? Did you I have a shot with shots?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
No? No, I said, you have shot for shot? Do
you have a scene. Do you have a favorite scene?
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Uh, let's see. You know, that's a good question. I
don't know if I do well. I always I always
have one that really stands out and I love I
don't think I do.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, I love the uh oh you know.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
When uh the the girl they they set up a
little trap and uh, Leah Thompson or Jennifer Gray I
either like at a gas station or something. But the
rest of the sods like, hey, come here, pretty lady,
and she starts running away and they all pop up.
They made like little traps and they pop up from
(40:13):
the hayfield and just waste them. I'm like, all right,
Hell yeah, so that'd be mine.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I love the scene, like the it's the one that stuck,
just stuck in my head because it was like funny,
but it was it was cool because it was it
was the last scene where they're basically telling like hey,
uh Leah Thompson and would do the other one on
one that was left like hey, you guys make for
Free America or whatever it is. We're going to go
to cousin distraction in town and so you can get
out of here. But it was the explanation from uh
(40:43):
Charlie Sheen that cracked me up. He's like me and Jed,
we're just all used up.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Like I get it, you're just trying to be the
noble hero, Like we're gonna go constraction. We like we're
over it. We're gonna go give ourselves up so you
can so you can live it. This is the weird
way putting it. We're just all used up.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
This one guy who hate it is like it's hard
to swallow that the fact that a well organized machine
like the Russian Army was to come to a bunch
of kids running around the mountains.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
I love how that person apparently never read about any
revolution or of his entire.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Life like, but also it's a movie. I mean it
wasn't called Red Dawn the Truth, but.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
It's one of those things where you are like, yeah,
those are ragtag bunch of colonies that took on a
very well organized British army.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
In one right.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
H that was but yeah, you know it's it's make believe, right, yeah,
it's it's humans playing make believe and apparently getting the
ok to go ahead and just bomb a bunch of Colorado.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Scene it Colorado come for The explosion effects were pretty good.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, uh, some of the sound effects had like A
didn't care for some of the sound effects on the guns.
It's getting like a reverb kind of uh echo. I
could hear him, and I swear the one shotgun he
put off was like that just I owned a twelve gauge.
That's not what a twelve gage sounds like. His was
solid off though remember not at first, not at first
(42:18):
now I feel like the first time had to use it,
he was like, you know what, I'm sewing this off
because because he's yeah, he needs to have a bigger, bigger,
bigger spray pattern. That's right, Because he was losing his mind.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
He's a killing machine movie.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
She've been called hard bark at your story. Well, there
you go. That's our rating, that's our that's our opinion.
So now it's just me losing the train of thought.
I was like, you want to say here, so I
want to kick it over to you. Right, what's for
next time?
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I mean, I missed out on October by not picking
a Halloween movie, so I'm not doing that this time.
Next time will be in December, so I'm picking the
greatest Christmas.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Movie of all time. Don't don't do it. You're goddamn right.
I am fucking die Hard.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
There you go, fucking die Hard, all right? Can if
you like the show? Five stars, Apples, Spotify, don't know
if anybody any of the other aggregators do ratings for
trop us A Lions. We'll cinema at gmail dot com. Yeah,
do those things and all those things. Instagram, follow us Instagram, Facebook,
(43:33):
let us know you're there, and we won't interact with you.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
But apparently it's gonna be a fight next time, so
come tune in for that. I'm right, Christmas.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
All right? Till next time.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Keep them in those weights, bitches,
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