December 5, 2024 • 52 mins
Yippee-Ki-Yay! Swole Cinema Episode 42 is here, and Ryan and Mark are talking about the ultimate action classic: "Die Hard"! Join us as we dive into the film that turned Bruce Willis into an action star and gave us one of the most iconic villains ever, Alan Rickman as Hans Gruber.
From explosive action to unforgettable one-liners, we’ll break down what makes "Die Hard" a timeless classic. Is it a Christmas movie? We’re covering that debate too—don’t worry!
#SwoleCinema #DieHard #BruceWillis #HansGruber #AlanRickman #ChristmasMovieDebate #ActionMovies #PodcastEpisode #TuneInNow #80sAction #MovieMagic #CinematicAdventure
From explosive action to unforgettable one-liners, we’ll break down what makes "Die Hard" a timeless classic. Is it a Christmas movie? We’re covering that debate too—don’t worry!
#SwoleCinema #DieHard #BruceWillis #HansGruber #AlanRickman #ChristmasMovieDebate #ActionMovies #PodcastEpisode #TuneInNow #80sAction #MovieMagic #CinematicAdventure
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
But we're good. We're good. We're calling. I don't have
the headphones. I have no idea. What's going on? What's up, everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's swow cinemaut back in your ears with die Hard
this week.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I am Ryan, I'm here with my buddy Mark. How
are you? What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm great, man, Thanks for asking, I'm super thanks for asking.
Just call me pregamed. We stopped doing that, like I
just suck up on us this time.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
We're good. It's a good movie though, a good time.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, die Hard, Diehard, Yeah, the original nineteen you know. Uh,
there's something called a death boner. No, so if you die,
you can have it. You could find you with erection.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Is that like?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Was that a fun fact you found about the movie?
Like die Hard was actually like a play on words
of death boner.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
No, it just that's what popped into my head. Cool. Cool,
Make die Hard a podcast called punch Farm that I
did with some friends. I forget. I don't know if
it was from an Adam Sandler movie or something, but
we found out that that's true. Yeah, huh, death boner,
which would be a completely different movie like die Hard
(01:24):
death Boner. Hey, it actually, uh it works die Hard
to Death, Boner, Diehard three, I don't know. Yeah, we'ch
just tie noop.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Uh yeah, So Diehard nineteen eighty eight. Man, it's been
a long time since I watched this, but tis the
season and uh, I was like, yeah, I kind of
want to watch it again. And the only the only
unfortunate thing was I don't know what cut I got
because I watched it on YouTube TV, and which is great,
like to pick up you do you watch it on
(02:00):
Time Prime?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
No? I was free on YouTube? Was it free on
Amazon Prime? Yeah? Damn.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I just saw YouTube TV and I just got I
was like, fuck it. Yeah, but I think I got,
like the TV version, So I missed out on some
fun swears, dude, But I don't think I really missed
out on any of the action. I think I just
did they do the kaya motherfucker? They just you know,
made it silent for the motherfucker keep kaye.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
But I knew the line.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So but yeah, yeah, so it'd been forever and man like,
it was fun watch. Man Like, it was what an
hour and like fifty minutes or something, But it was
a fun.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Watch on maybe a on the version you saw it
was two hours and eleven God damn it. So you
might have missed. But I imagine if they were censoring
out the swear words, they cut out some violence. Yeah hmm, yeah,
that's a bummer. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, it's like I said, it's been so long, but
I mean I've seen it before, but it's been so
long since I didn't really remember it.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I haven't watched this movie. Oh, I just give it
a good fifteen years for more. Yeah. Yeah, it's I
don't know why. That might be exaggeration, maybe five, I.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Know, I kind of now I'm gonna have to watch
it again within the next couple of weeks because I
want to see those extra eleven minutes and I missed
that one.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
We're you gonna watch it on Christmas Eve because it's
a Christmas movie.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
No, I watched Bad Sand on Christmas Eve. Okay, my
other favorite non Sand on Christmas Christmas movie.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Well, he's dressed like Santa. But it hasn't called Bad Sanda, right,
But it has nothing to do with Christmas story story.
It's just about Robin the mall.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
It does home alone, really, right, that's just takes place
on Christmas, right.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
That's why.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
That's why I love calling it a Christmas movie, like
I don't. If you don't want to call Chris, I
don't care. But the more I like sat here and
talking about no, I have a notes for the debate. Okay, no,
it's not a Christmas movie, but we should save that. Yeah,
we should be talking about why the movie actually is really.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Fucking good, fucking good. Yeah, and let me tell you.
I hit play last night, you know, I got, I
got my drink, got on the couch, hit play, and
I was sinking to myself like, you know, man, it's
like two hours, like this movie is really not even
that good. What hold on? There's what's going on in
(04:17):
my head. Here's what's going on my head. Like you know,
of all the you know, action movies, you know, everybody
like thinks this is great. It's not that good. But
that's because I haven't seen it for so long, right
that it had uh maybe got other diet haards mixed
in my head or or just forgot, because once we
started watching, I was like, oh ship, this fucking movie
(04:40):
is so much fun. Yeah, yeah I was, I was.
I was wrong. I don't That's why. Maybe you're somebody,
you know, some kick ass movies, you shouldn't wait five
to ten years to watch them again, right, if you
might forget how kick ass it.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Is, Like there's it was just one of those movies
where a lot of action movies have some far fetched scenes.
Everyone does, but this one was, like I just I
loved how tight the unbelievable was. There wasn't that much
that was far fetched, you know, too too bad And
you mean.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Like when he wraps the fire hose around his waist
he jumps off the building. That one that's not right,
Like I said too much. I said too much, But
like I loved everything.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Even for being like two hours long. It was still
a tight two hours like you weren't. There wasn't a
lot of lull. There was always something happening. The most
the boring scene was the opening scene, Like I don't
need to see him get off the plane, just fucking
put him in a cap or put him in a limo.
Put him in the airport getting into the limo because
you got to meet Argyle like the limo driver. So
put him in the airport getting off a plane.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
You don't. I don't need to see him on the plane.
About that scene too, when he gets off he's in
the airport and he sees a guy holding a sign
with his name right that he didn't know about apparently, right,
you think it did. Did his wife send that for him?
You think she'd let him know, like, hey, yeah, the
company's hooking you up. It just I don't know unless
(06:00):
we met, unless there was something lost in an edit somewhere, yeah,
where they you know, where he knew we see, because
he seemed like he seemed like surprised, like Takachi or
whatever the head guy was.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
He thanked him at the things like oh you you're
the one to thank for that or whatever, and I'm like, so, yeah,
he definitely acted like he didn't know what if he
walked by him and didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Pay, because our guyle was definitely not you know, holding
his sign up and spinning it to get his attention,
because our guy is like, first time yeah driving a limo, right, Yeah,
he's like he was.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
He was that fun stupid, like tiny bit of comic
relief that you know, like gets the call back at
the end for a fun scene, like like I said,
everything and he stopped by. My favorite part of the
Argyle scene was they were playing It's Christmas and Hollis
on the radio.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Like that was.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
When he's pulling into Knockatomi Tower, He's like he's playing
Christmas and Hollis.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
On the radio. It's like, that's fucking great. It's a
Christmas movie. And I was still like watching it, going
like no, I want to argue why it's not, but
they're making it hard, right. It's because starting off with
that song, and of course it's a Christmas party. Yeah.
Is it supposed to be Christmas Eve? I think so.
I think it was Christmas Eve, which seems you got
(07:16):
to work for a real shitty company to other party, yeah,
to have their party on Christmas Eve when you just
want to be home with your family chilling. Right.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Oh yeah, that's because like I was sitting there saying
the same thing, like uh, like what you're watching it
and you're like and his wife is still doing work
and she's like, it's five forty, go enjoy the party.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I'm like, it's five forty. Why are you still doing anything?
Like on Christmas Eve? Right? Yeah, nothing else is open.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
You're the only person working right now, like, especially because
you're on West Coast, so it's been it's been five
o'clock on the East Coast for a while.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, people on the East Coast are already drunk, right,
you know, celebraty and Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Speaking of that, that cracked me up too, because that
uh John McLean walks through the Christmas party and that
guy's like.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Man Christmas, like kiss is him on mouth? I's like
it's five forty that guy is hammered. Company Christmas Party,
Dick's coming out tonight back then, put that ship on
the copy here.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Facts that to your rival company's up Merry Christmas. Here's yeah,
Like it was like that's a it's a other than
like the just the awkward couple first minute or two.
And I don't know if they did that to make
the joke like I'm a cop, don't worry. Other than that,
like this the first minute two scene pointless, but the
(08:35):
once he gets inside the tower like it's all fun,
like it's all good, good movie.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah cop, they want to set up that there's that's
a strange wife. Yea. Even her professional name is like
her it was like Holly Gennaro Gennaro, which he notices,
you know, so without saying much, we know that like okay.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, it's been quick to like it's been six months.
Like in the car ride, you know, Argau helps set
that up, like they you get the exposition of, oh,
it's been six months. She moved out here for a
good job. You haven't really been out since like blah
blah blah. And then that's the first thing he goes to, Uh,
let's search the keypad for her name to find out
where what floor she's on, and he searches for mc clane.
(09:20):
There's no Holly McLain working. It's Holly Gennaro, Like, of course,
I love that. Like she doesn't expect to have a
fight right away, right for like she's been there, like
they haven't officially been separated, divorced anything. He's coming out
the she's hoping he comes out to visit and everything else.
And she changed he's using her maiden name, like and
you know she didn't change it. She used to immediately
(09:40):
navigate there.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
She was on the door right and everything. Yeah. Well,
his thing was like he really didn't think she was
gonna her career was gonna blow up like this, So
he was like, I she'll be coming back to New York.
Well he was wrong. Yeah she's killing it, killing and yeah,
well I don't know how the company is nowadays after
(10:02):
the tower's blowing up, but looks like she was making
some serious bucks. He could have just came out and
like chilling in California. Oh yeah, she was apparently what
second in command? She was like they killed the killed
the boss and you know that in that scene and
then I love I love that interaction with Well, Alan
Rickman himself is just a stone cold bag. Oh yeah,
(10:22):
he's so fucking good. He stand out in this movie.
Like you know, if there would have been a different actor,
I don't know how good this movie would actually be.
I said, like we watched Cliffhanger. I said, there's a
couple guys.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
There's only a couple of guys that stand out as
just amazing bad guys like Lyft Gowen, Cliffhanger, and uh
and uh like Alan Alan Rickman. Pretty much anything is
really good. But in this one he was Hans Gruber.
He was fucking amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah. In fact, like imagine they tried to do this
movie and I never looked up who else was being cast,
right looked at But imagine if instead of Bruce Willis,
it was stallone instead of a and if Hans Gruber
was oh, I must break you.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Dolph Well, I mean his Swedish Norwegian whatever counterparts kind
of looked like knockoff versions and Dolf right do wi.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
This is a movie that the casting is it just worked? Yeah, yeah,
I think it. I know it wasn't Bruce Willis coming
off of a big fan with Moonlighting, that TV show
back in the nineties, but I think it's just uh
or was wait was that in the eighties? I can't remember,
(11:42):
but this is like was like one of his first big,
real Hollywood blockbuster and I think he brings a certain
level of coolness that Slide or Arnold or something like
that doesn't like. And he looks and he's not as
jacked up as those guys. I was gonna say, almost
what do you call that? Well, he's not imposing.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, I mean he's he's still big, but he's not like, yeah,
he's not just over the top Jack daw you know
Jack Dann.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I like this is unassuming character that heated ends up
being like a straight up badass and good at being
I guess a cop too. He's able to like start
to identify like, well, that's fucked up, that's messed up. Yeah, yeah,
I think I think this is what really works for
this movie is those two actors really just when they're
(12:33):
on screen, you just can't help watch everything they're saying.
And some of the lines are just quotable, like people,
you know, I'm sure if he asks Benny, he could
quote everything Bruce Willis says, because ship Ton is quotable. Yeah, motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I mean even the part where he's, uh, like you,
Reginald L. Johnson, what's his al? The cop like gets
introduced and he's on the radio and he's like, what
do I call you? And he's like, call me Roy
because of the Previoux exchange you had with Hans Greuer,
Like even that line is just funny, like call me Roy, Like,
oh and.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah that so that actor was the dad in was
It Family Matters? Yeah? Like he was.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah he was a cop in that movie too, or
a cat in that show. Yeah, and that was one
with ercle right, yep, yep, he was great. I love
how they formed this huge bond.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Em Dan they hug. I'm like, right, you only really
talked five times? Yeah, you know with the Walkee talkies.
Wud you guys look like you've been through the ship together. Right, Oh,
I know, and Bruce Willi has been through the ship
and well his car guy a little messed up and
he had to avoid getting getting murdered by the back guy,
but he drove his car backwards. But oh yeah, I
(13:49):
still I still really like that too.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah it was I did find it funny because I said,
I said the same thing in my head whenever they
like they see each other, like ah, like they actually
really did, but like, no, you just talked to him
on the walkie talkie couple of times.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
But then they bring it around right after that where
he like, know what he looked like, Yeah, that's really
so what he was seeing, Like you just pick out
the one guy that gives you that look, that look,
give him that look from across the parking lot, and
he just knew this gotta be al. This's gotta be al,
you know. But I didn't mind. Oh yeah, it was like, no,
(14:26):
I want these two to meet. They're going to be
best friends forever.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Little he's you know, his girl's going to swing with
little aw on the in the playground.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
But yeah, Alan Rickman, Uh, I'd say some of the
scenes were like over the top of it, like in
a good bad guy way m like they were. They're
just great, almost to teetering on ridiculousness, but great.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Even the as I was watching it, even I said
the like, not the main care like the inciliary characters
that were like just herds, Like they did such a
good job of setting them up as turds.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Oh, like the one guy who's the coke head.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, the coke head and the h and the news
reporter guy, Like you don't see them a lot, but
they you instantly know. They wrote them so so well
that you instantly knew, like this guy's a piece of ship. Yeah,
like the whatever Reggie or whatever the fuck the guy's
name was, it's John McLean walks into his wife's office
and he's like trying to brush the coke quickly off
the desk in his face, Like, yeah, I just love
(15:29):
that missed the spot, like we all knew what you
were doing, even if you didn't missus, like we all
knew you were doing fucking coke. I had to make
a call, you mean on the desk.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Like shoot the fuck up. Reggie was just too coked
up to understand reality. They already killed uh oh yeah,
the owner of uh was it was it? But he
thought if he goes and spoo talks him and tries
to talk John.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And I love that he just met him, and think
he's going to negotiate this thing, like like what like
you have, like you have to be such a pompous
asked to think you're going to pull that off. And
like even when he's going in like I got this,
I negotiate million dollar deals for breakfast, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
But even just looking at the guy in the way,
he was actually like, nah, you don't, no.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You're a trust fund baby. Yeah, but that's I mean,
like the casting, the look, everything they did with him.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
They wouldn't have killed the owner of the company. I
have a feeling that Reggie was getting fired. I don't
know his names, Reggie, Reggie was looking at no idea.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I was just saying that he looks like a Reggie,
So yeah, I know, is Eddie, he'd be a Reginald.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
You were close, Eddie. Is that what it is, Eddie?
I don't know it's working, but that's what I'm going with. Yeah,
that's like him.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And like the reporter who looking for the school, even
like they didn't even have to write the reporter into it.
He could have been like that could have been completely
edited out and it would have been fine because.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
He didn't play a role. But they just gave you
another guy.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Like, because I looked at this movie, I was like, man,
they gave you a reason to hate all authority figures, right,
all the media, all the people you want to hate,
you know, all the people you're like, they're just slimy.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Oh this guy was the worst. The only guy you
liked was al from the police.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Because the sergeant who's been in a ton of films
in that role, I've seen him everywhere he was. He
was a smarmy dick. The two FBI agents, both Johnson
and Johnson, were just popist aragon assholes.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Right. It wasn't the the the he wasn't the chief,
but he was this sergeant. Sergeant, Well, I was a sergeant.
But then the guy that showed up. I thought the
other guy was a sergeant. Was he a sergeant too?
But he was from oh breakfast club? Yeah, principle, Yeah, yes,
I said, I.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Know, I've seen the guy a hundred things, but but yes,
so you you hated him. You hated the like the
only thing go about the FBI guys when they first
got there, like, I'm agent Johnson. This is agent Johnson,
and this a black and white guy.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
No relation. Fucking great, Like, that's such a great throw line.
When they when they got helicopters and they're flying over
the city to go to the rooftop. The one guy's like,
this reminds me of Saigon. Man, what's happening? They take gus?
You know they have gunships. Yeah. I mean because they
requested I guess thepters helicopters to get out, so they
(18:28):
brought gunships. I was looking at the goose and I
didn't notice it watching the movie, but I do remember
at one scene there was two helicopters. But when they
get to the towers or tower, uh, this is one. Yeah,
and know what happened to the other helicopter. We don't know.
I thought there might have been three at one point. Yeah,
but I do the other Johnson is one partner. He's like,
(18:50):
this reminds me of Sagon, right, and he's like I
was twelve, you asshole, or something like that. I was like, boy,
this is a whole side story because this guy looks
like he's ready to just start shooting anything that moves.
Oh yeah, I love he looked like that FBI agent
went like nuts.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well, I don't know if you noticed, but he turned
his hat backwards like he was in over the top.
When he turns his hat backwards, he's like a machine.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Oh yeah, that like the whole thing when he got
in there, he's wearing a suit somehow, has a baseball
cap on all of a sudden and turns it backwards
to get to get into like look at it through
a sniper rifle that in a helicopter. I was like,
it's all kinds of fun in that whole scene.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah. Yeah, again, it seems like that. It's like, hey,
don't take this movie serious. Oh, he's just supposed to
be a fun ride.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, this is this is peak action late eighties, early nineties.
Like you're not going to get much better than this.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Because I saw like their whole plan was to break
into steel like what six hundred and forty million in
bonds bonds or something. Yeah, And part of the plane
is they needed the FBI to show up killed a
power yeah, which would unlock the safe. Yeah, the safe
after they did a bunch of other stuff to the safe. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
The safe had like seven or eight or nine or something.
Like that safe locks on it, and one was a password,
six were like locks in the thing, and the last
couldn't only was electromagnets.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
They had to cut the power so the magnet wouldn't
have wouldn't Yeah, and I saw something like in real
life that wouldn't happen because the whole ability would have
like a backup generator. And uh so I'm like, dude,
just I did a movie.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I did laugh because I was like, I was thinking
that because I was sitting there, like because you know,
Hans is saying like no, like being he alluded to,
like no, at some point, the cops need to.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Come here, like we need to get the the you.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Know, the people involved, because they knew that's what they
do that they put the lights on, they you know,
cut the power all that stuff. But yeah, you're they're
sitting there and you have cuts that actually didn't cut
the power. They shut a grid down, right, and and
when it did, you're watching, like it comes on John
mcclaney sitting there and it goes dark and immediately emerge,
didn't you hear the voice? Emergency generators activated, so lights
(21:02):
and everything came back on. The Only thing I didn't
have power was the vault.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
But how convenient. It's like they knew speaking of going dark,
I had there was just a it's so glorious. So
he's wearing like a white tank top. Was back in
the row they were referred to as wife beaters, So
do you remember those era? Uh, it's why I think
(21:27):
it's a little dirty that all of sudden it's just brown,
like the wardrobe department just switched out the shirt. H
brown like because I was a couple of scenes like,
wait is it because it was supposed to be like
really dirty, Like no, that that's pretty sure. It's a
whole different color now. I didn't even notice. Gonna be honest,
I did.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I did continuity, man, continuity, Well, you make films, so
you notice that ship.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I'm just long with a ride, baby. It didn't. It
didn't take me out of the movie. It's just something
I noticed, Yeah, and other people noticed it too, and.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Then it just disappeared because I thought at one point
I thought, I was like, that's what you do, right,
like the whole like it was a fun, stupid part
of the movie that didn't really amount to anything except
a couple of fun lines. Was he wasn't wearing shoes
like he was. He got to the thing, got to
uh off the plane and one to quote unquote refresh.
(22:22):
So he's in the sink, you know, apparently took us
all like half of his clothes off, but he's in
the sink, you know, washed himself up and took his
shoes off. So the rest of the movie doesn't have
shoes because the terrorists got there. But here's the one
thing I wanted to say is about that scene is
he's sitting there taking a bath in the sink apparently,
And he's sitting there and he wipes his armpits down
(22:44):
and sets the towel back up, continues to have a
conversation and then she's like, well.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I gotta go do this whatever. Then he face with
the town and then he wipes his face with the tower.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I was like, ah, at that point, my wife was
sitting next to me. He's like, well, maybe he was.
He was putting this musk on.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
For later, right, it's my sent that's like, yeah. As
soon as he did the wipe his face, like oh,
come on. And then so yeah, well he's on the
airplane and I don't know if it was in their
landing or getting off the one guy's like, you know,
how to get over He's like he's like, get on,
get on a carpet and make fists with your toes
(23:18):
or something. That's right? Was that cut? Then? Oh? He
said carpet carpet. So there's a scene where John's doing
maybe that that's why some of those missing minutes. So
there's a lot going on. When he gets back to
the hotel cleaning up, he takes his shoes off and
does that, and he was like, bitch works and what
what just that little bit to put that in Now
(23:41):
you know, well that's why he's not wearing shoes, right,
And though it seems dumb, it's great because now he's
got to do all that his feet are getting cut.
It adds this element of like, geez, is this guy
gonna be okay? Right? That one little stupid line from.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
You know, the airline that's that makes sense because I
think that part that's the carpet scene. I didn't remember
it from before, and it wasn't in the in the
FX cut or whatever I watched it. So that's why
I was like, yeah, the airplane scene was fucking pointless,
and I found but it wasn't yeah, it was literally
there just to set up the they basically filmed another
scene just to do this running like shoeless gang.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Well, even when he fought the first big german bad guy,
after he killed him, he goes to try to shoes.
I killed the one guy with smaller feet than I am.
Because again they were like which actually I really like,
because they were going to keep them barefoot. Yeah, because
he's going to add to like uh later scenes where
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he's his feet are cut and then there's blood trails. Again,
they had to write in a little bit of dialogue
like because most people are like, oh, I would just
take shoes off the guy you just killed. Well, here's
why they don't work, and like the I don't know,
that's my impression of people complain.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I don't know if you paid attention to the size
of the glass chunks he was pulling out of his foot,
like you wouldn't be able to walk, dude, Like he
was pulling out these massive, you know, pulling out these
massive chunks of glass.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
But it was just funny. I was like, holy.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And then in like the next scene he's running around
like they blood trails at first, but then he just
you know, pulls the glass out and runs his feet
under the water, and then miraculously the next scene there's
no blood footprints anywhere. No, because I was like, his uh,
his white beater disappeared.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
At one point. It's like, wouldn't you cut that off
and wrap it around your feet at that point? Nope.
Right now you start maybe thinking like, was there a
scene cut out and that's why I had a brown
tank top on him? Yeah, because he used the other one.
I don't know. I still think at one point you're like, wow,
the Colver shirt changed far more than it should just
from dirt, right Anyway, I'm not hung up on that.
I'm just saying great action scenes though, Like, yeah, I
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thought the fight scenes were good, and like some of
the fight scenes were too good. Is like, really is
he a because he is his whaling on this guy?
Is John McClean just a better fighter than these hired.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Henchman the it was the only part it was wasn't
as satisfying when he gets the first kill because they're
busting around through this unfinished you know, part of the
building and everything, and they just fall down the stairs
and he breaks his neck as they fall down the stairs.
Like that was unsatisfying, but they make up for it
when he like sends him down the elevator and that
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another like iconic moment where he sits since puts a
Santa hat on him and writes in blood, now I
have machine gun Alan, and Alan Rickman reading that made
it so much better because he acted like he didn't
know what Ho ho ho was?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
How I have a machine gun? Ho ho ho? That's
the genius.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
It was one of those minds where I was like, I,
it's just so funny how he read that like like
he didn't get it, like he didn't what Ho ho
ho was?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
It was great, stupid great. Yeah, should we take a break,
We'll come back with more sure death bone, I mean
die hard death. We'll be right back and we're back.
We are back.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, Like it's talking about fighting scenes still, that's what
I want to thought, like they just go because you
mentioned I don't want to mention that, like the Ho
ho ho part, but the uh yeah, the fighting scene
with was it Hans no, not Hans, I forget I
forget the names now, but the first guy killed was
his brother, so he's mad the entire movie. And then
when you get to that fighting scene like, yeah that
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when they first start out, McClean is lighting him up.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
It was pretty hilarious. I'm like, how's this guy going
to fight back? He just landed five hard punches, like
to the body and head.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
But again, that bad guy made the mistake that in
a lot of action movies, rather than just shoot mcclaim right, yeah,
he's like, he made it personal, so now I'm going
to fistfight you, right, So he could have just got
revenge right there and then ed been the end of
the movie or a great ending.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
But that's at the very least like maybe shoot a
kneecap out so like you're guaranteed, you know, or maybe
both me kept then you can beat him to a
bloody pulp play.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But and there was no Here's the thing with the movie,
there's no real backstory on the clean right, even Hans like,
it's just this is what we know. We have a
little bit that he's estranged from his family, but the
family still loves him. That's about it. So sometimes when
he was fighting, he was just wailing that one guy
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kidney shots, uh you know, head shots, like he looked
like a skilled fighter. Yeah, I'm like, it's got to
be a backstory because this guy, he's hold his own
against the you know, like at least ten bad guys, right,
I mean individually. He didn't take him on all at
the same time, but when he'd meet one, he.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
And the women and the ones that he actually got
into it like fights with were tall dudes.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
They were big guys.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
They were look like Willis Vikings five eight or something, right,
I don't know, he Tom Cruise, you wear lifts.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
This is everything say about Hollywood people. They're the smaller
people who better on camera. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I would assume Bruce Willis was like in that five
ten to six foot range. Maybe I don't know, and maybe,
of course, I guess that's the magic of camera.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
We'll find out because the Internet will tell me. Bruce
Willis this says six foot, there you go, but also
says slies five ten. I thought he was short in that.
I don't know. I don't know why. It's just it's
throwing up like a couple of people at the same
time that it says John Travolta six two. I believe
that John Travolta. Yeah, I would never have guessed that.
(29:49):
I guess I would never guess that John McClain was
six foot but ye know, there you go, Hollywood lies.
Doesn't you'd be with any height to be an actor.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Like professional wrestling, they had two inches and twenty pounds, right,
which is why whenever I looked up one wrestler, I
was like, I think I could take him. And I
looked him up and had him listed at like six
foot one eighty or something. I was like, I could
definitely take him. He's definitely not that whatever he haven't
listed at that's not his real way.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Come on. And then in typical internet fashion, somebody has
listed like funny foot eleven and a half inches.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I don't think so, John McLean, You're not getting six
foot out.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Of us, oh man?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
But yeah, I think it was uh like the like
the other big fun scene was the was the one
where he catches Hans top of the building. I'm like,
and what cracks me up? Because why is Hans doing
that by himself? It's a set up a fun scene,
of course, but yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
That's where he would say either go with ah, yeah henchman,
or just send a henchman.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah and so yeah, so Hans is up on the
top looking like making sure the c force set or
if it's up there or whatever, and he, uh, it's
great because he's like McLean finds him, but he's all
suited up like he's a businessman, and he like quick
on the feet, boom goes. This transitions were straight into
a like western like southern kind of accent, and he
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killed it.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
He did a great job. Yeah, it's great. And he
looked at the board like there was names on like
what you know, businesses on floors, and one was like Clay. Yeah,
and he's like Bill Clay and he fools but you know,
he didn't. He gave him a he gave him a
gun but with no bullets, right, so it's kind of
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and he even said like do you think I'm dumb
when he tried to shoot him? Right? Uh so, hey,
he he didn't fully believe him, right, which was which
was a fun setup because you're sitting there thinking and
he was like, dah, man, you should go on acted,
you should be winning us.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
But yeah, it was it was a fun scene because
you're sitting there looking at like this, there's a company.
He's immediately gonna trust some rando that he sees in it.
You know, like you think you think one of those.
But yeah, it was great because it gave him a
gun with no bullets, just to play it out, you know,
play out, Yeah, because he's that smart. But then again
right there, you're like, okay, well then just shoot him,
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like shoot the main bad guy.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Right and and see and movie over right? Yeah? Yeah, no,
I thought the movie again when I said at the
top of the show that, I was like, that's right,
I don't really like this movie. It's kind of boring.
I loved everything about this. I don't know where I
got this impression it was boring. Maybe after seeing all
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five or six diehards, right, I started just to equate
the last couple because they were bad, right, but justin
long one was pretty rough. Yeah, and the one where
Ji Courtney was like his son, I don't even I
don't even know if that might have been the very
last one. Yeah. Maybe I just was thinking, like it's over,
you know, overhyped. Everybody loves this, but do they really
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like it? Uh No, Man, it was just fun. Every
scene was fun. Every action set piece was over the top.
And even when you knew like it was over the top,
He's not gonna be on him tire fire hose around
his waist, jump off the building. Yeah, crash into window,
but it works, like just works. Throwing throwing.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
There's no way he's gonna be able to land that
body on the foot of a cop car, but he did,
Like he throws that dead body off and it was so.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
So stupid but fun. You're like, oh shit, that's great.
Like no, like even all the Christmas music and references,
I'm like fucking love it. I'm still gonna argue, but
I love it. Like, yeah, there's I have really no
no issues, even like continent, even the going from a
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white dirty shirt to just a straight up brown. Sure,
I have no issues with this movie. I really think
it's I want to say perfect, right, but it's a
it's a high bar of an action movie. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Oh yeah, Like youah, judge it against this movie because,
like I said, because there's no there's no slow part
without without it constantly being shooting and fighting, there's still
no slow parts. There's still no like low where you're like,
all right, let's wrap it up like all of that,
like everything's everything was just tight, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I even the writing the dialogue that McLean had great,
Bruce Willis's delivery on some the lines great way, Yeah,
come to the West Coast. He even when he was
like talking out loud to himself, you know, crawling through
the air ducts, like it was like, what do you
call that? Witty? Yeah? Sharp? Everything about it was like,
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this is action movie dialogue. One on one. If you
want to write cool action movie. Die Hard is doing
it great with those iconic stuff that you can walk
away with, like you.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Oh man, like you're like through the nineties, Kan, it's
still like you p K. Motherfucker is just constantly quoted.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, yeah like this. You know, I don't need to
do the rady now, but I'm telling you it's high. Yeah.
And I was surprised that. I'm surprised at myself, Like
where did you get this idea that it wasn't that good?
Were you just did you just want to argue with Ryan?
Was that the whole was that the whole reason you
thought this wasn't wasn't worth all the hype? No, it's
freaking awesome. Yeah. Speaking of argument, though, I do want
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to get to the everybody calls it a Christmas movie.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Now, I feel like there's a minority, a loud minority
that screams Christmas movie. I think a lot of people
don't want to call it a Christmas movie.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Just matter.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I talked to our buddy Tim on Saturday, and I
said something about, we're on a podcast, We're watching my
favorite Christmas movie, Diehard, because again, I know it gets
people up, like they hate the calling a Christmas movie.
And he said, it's not a Christmas movie. It's a
great movie, it's not a Christmas movie. I'm like, all right, Well,
like my whole thing with Christmas movies is Hallmark puts
out about thirty Christmas movies every year, and hasn't they
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had but people will call him that, like not even
blink and eye. But they have nothing to do with Christmas.
It has to do about a big city girl going
back to her country roots and meeting someone who's cute
and they fall in love and live happily ever. But
Christmas has nothing to do with it. They're wearing red
and green sweaters. That's about as much Christmas as it is.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
How do you know that's the kind of movies Hallmark
is putting it Because I.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Go back to my parents and that's what's on the
TV constantly around Christmas time.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
So I have a very simplistic gardument. But I also
have a quote here from Bruce Willis that I'll play
I'll play that in a second. Oh, I forget he
did weigh in, And I forgot, Yeah he did weigh in.
You know, so I was thinking, you know, like, okay, Yeah,
the easiest argument is, like, just because the movie set
at Christmas doesn't make it a Christmas movie, right? For me?
(37:00):
A Christmas movie anyway growing up? Anyway, Santa was in it,
Rude Olph, Frosty, the movies that were absolutely upset a
Christmas movie that you watched at Christmas time. Yeah, this
had nothing to do with that. Yes, Uh, when he
killed the one bag guy and wrote wrote on a
(37:20):
sweater ho ho ho, and he put a little sand
hat on him, all that doesn't mean it's still a
Christmas movie yet. But I know we're set during this
time period. A lot of the music though, that's Christmas music.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Begin the beginning and end scenes and with like a
lot of christ The first song, the first song they
play is Christmas and Hollis and then I forget what
the what the last one was, but it was definitely
an iconic Christmas song they played during end credits like, yeah,
I forget what it was, but becare I was.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
I was like, oh man, they're ending it with that too.
He was even whistling a Christmas song. When they do
get the vault open and they see all the stuff inside, yeah,
uh they this Christmas Christmas orchestra music strikes up and
the one guy that the hacker dude was like, marry
Christmas or something like that, and I'm like, yeah shit,
(38:07):
they're starting to starting to get me. But let me play.
Uh what Bruce Willis had to say, I'm not gonna
be able to hear it. I told you put headphones
on what you did, okay, but this is this is
for the people. I mean, I can give you headphones
and then cut out the dead silence where I can
just play it. Do you want to headphones? Oh whatever? Okay,
then I'm pretty sure I know what he said. Okay,
(38:28):
here we go. I did this rose for one reason,
and for one reason only, to settle something once and
for all. Now, please listen very carefully. Die Hard is
not a Christmas movie. It's a goddamn Bruce Willis movie.
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So you kaye to all of you mother fuck us
good night, and there you go. He said, it's not
a Christmas movie. It's a Bruce Willis movie. He was
he was being funny. Uh, because the more I h
(39:21):
here in a car alarm going on? Is it mine home?
It's not mine? No, I don't know why I touch
my second Do you have an app on your phone?
I think totally interrupted the podcast. Listen to that car
alarm still going off, It's been going on for a while. Well,
you know what, this is where we'll edit because I
got to go make sure it's not my car. All
(39:44):
it wasn't my car, everybody, So Merry Christmas. I have
nothing worry about. I'm just gonna leave all that in sas.
So you know, people need to know they can we
record this real time. Actually hear them running to the door.
So yeah, he said, it's not a Christmas movie. But
you know, the more I thought about it, I did
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lose my my not zest to argue. I think I
was convinced that you know what it is, if that's
the way you want to look at it. Here I
found a study, and not study, a press release from
the Dish network. This was like back, this was of
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all networks even still around. I don't know, but this
was like twenty seventeen study they said that one point
three million Americans watched Diehard on Christmas Even twenty sixteen,
which beat out Home Alone, a Miracle on thirty four Street,
and the Santa Claus, which that's Tien Allen. Right, yeah, yeah,
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so you know what, people watch this movie on Christmas Eve.
That's pretty badass, right, So therefore I don't really give
a shit either way. Right, I've said that too.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
I will consider it what I want, But if you don't,
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Here's the thing. I don't know if my kid's ever
seen it, So now I'm like, man, I would definitely
may I would definitely watch it on Christmas Eve now,
I but you know, with there's decorations it takes place
on Christmas Eve that I'd almost turn it into yeah,
it's our Christmas Eve movie. Oh, I said, that's that's why.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Like the movie I watch on Christmas Eve because I
love it so much is Bad Santa. It's such a stupid,
goofy movie. But like in it's set around Christmas, but
it really has nothing to do with Christmas.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
But it's fun. It's a fun watch.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Like it's really funny billy Bob kills it as a
drunk mal Santa.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
There's a movie too that first time I saw, I
was like, I fucking hate this. This movie sucks. I
think I said it before. I'm like, okay, wait, maybe
I get it. Maybe I didn't get it, yeah at first.
Sometimes there's movies that people rave about, you like, what's
the big deal this think sucks? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Oh yeah, but yeah, I mean I could get it.
But I think that's it's funny because I think the
argument I had, like I would put forth as a
Christmas movie, but versus people that say it's not, is
probably the same and has nothing to do with Christmas.
You're right, but it's set around Christmas. And how many
movies that people call Christmas movies really don't have anything
to do with Christmas.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
They're just set around Christmas. Now, we know you watch
the Hallmark Channel. Yeah, it's fucking great. There's sweaters. They
put them in the amazing Green and Red every time.
Hey man, that's the that's the college. You know. They
pump they pump out like ten to twenty oh new
Christmas movies each year on Hallmark. Disturbing. It's insane. Yeah,
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but they're the same premise, though there's always a strange
merry cup or something like that, and maybe they get
back together Dan and the kids are happy like it
is if you look at this movie, it is a
Hallmark movie, right, That's why I left. Is like the
please take out all the killings, the violence, take out
to death, and it's about them. It's a love story
about a man because why hearing in uh oh yeah,
(43:03):
who is? I don't know if you always introducing his
wife to al after they have a big hug. He's like,
this is my wife, Holly Gennaro. Uh and she's like, McLean, yeah, oh,
it's a it's a love story. He's like, no, we're still.
You saved my life, so I guess you know saved
my life.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
You killing all that, you taking down a group of
terrorists pretty much by yourself, really got me.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Wet, right, you get by himself because when SWAT showed up,
they sucked right, And when the even FBI, like only John,
only a cop from New York City, was capable of
taking down these terrorists.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
And again there's like another one of those parts, well
that's not a fucking Christmas story. Another one of this
parts where you're like you learned, like you want to
hate the people in charge because there's a group of
twelve and they send they send four cops up to
the door to break in, not just to smash the
windows and get through there to pick the lock. Then
they're trying to cut They're there for like a minute
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and a half.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Yeah, they're the worst swat team. Like sometimes when I
was watching, like, did you guys send in the trainees?
They don't look like they know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, they sent in meat to get killed. Because I
was like, if you can't get through that door in
like ten seconds you pulled back.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Why wouldn't they just take the armored vego? Why don't
they just why didn't they ran the front doors? Boom,
ran the front doors everybody you know, maybe they're behind
it and then they're in. No, they made these guys
up there, and it was so wrong and would you
get you'd even give him good tools. They weren't able
to cut through any of the locks. It was so wrong.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
How uh how Hans Gruber he was even like play
where they played nice something just wing them Like so
there's four guys a screaming that got hurt and not
trying to fall back.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
They weren't all hitting the legs. They're just laying there screaming.
I'm like, this is terrible. Oh yeah, I had a
good time watching it, and I'm gonna have to make
sure my kid sees it. He's twenty two, so we
can see the violence. He's twelve, he's old enough. I
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don't know, man, I don't want to. I don't. I'm
not gonna go a ten out of ten, but I'm
it's pretty high, like eight point eight, almost a nine.
Like this movie I could care about. I could care
less about any nitpicking flaws. It was fun and I
always know a movie is really good. Well my wife
doesn't fall asleep watching it, so.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it was so abum like like
we judged differently. You're you're a better spot on real judge.
I'm like, I'm here for stupid violence and storyline everything.
But I said, it was like, it's almost it's like
nine and a half ten, Like it's it was almost perfect.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
It was really fucking yeah. Yeah, there you go. Before
I tell you my pick for next time we did.
We did get an email from a list Eric you
know him, Oh no, oh, you worried he's upset with
your Red Dawn review. Yeah, he says, Hey, guys, in
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Mark's Pea Puncher voice. You know, it's just Mar's voice.
It's not a persona I put on for Pea Punchers,
or maybe it is for you those listening Paranormal Punchers
another podcast. Look it up. So this is from Eric,
since you requested my review of the movie. Here it goes, so, Ryan,
it's okay. You don't have to apologize. It's not Harley
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Davison in the Marvel Man or anything. Red Dawn was
a very formidable movie for me as a kid, especially
being a boy and a family of veterans. Not that
it made me join the army that was going to
happen anyway, but it really did help me forge an
independent and patriotic mindset. I think that the magic of
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the movie and the time it was made, the Cold
War was definitely not a minor thing as far as
the movie goes. From the very beginning, they give a
quick rundown of the political calamities that led to Eric,
what's these big words? I gotta say, you know, we
pregame on this show quick rundown of the political calamities
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that led to the invasion happening. As far as the
small town in Colorado getting picked for the airborne operation.
That's a perfect place to pick because it's a mountain
pass town. We would secure passes in Afghanistan to control
and secure movement through the area. It's important in mountain
terrain the setup that the kids have in the mountains
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would be sufficient based on unconditional warfare standards. You don't
want to be too static or detectable. He wrote a
lot too challenging me. Eric. The radio that you guys
talked about being frozen was just a survival radio. They
packaged it in waterproof containers like the like that to
this day. I agree with you about the sound with
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the weapons. That's probably a product of the time. Another
product at the time is the Soviet weapons they used
in the movie. In nineteen eighty four, we didn't have
access to many Soviet block weapons, so they were acquired
from friendly countries like Finland. The belt fed machine guns
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in the movie were modified American M sixty machine guns
to look like dshk pronounced dishka, which I'd have known
that before I said dshk Dishka machine guns. I've had
the opportunity to play with the RpK that Sways he
had in the movie. A friend of mine owns it.
He brought it along. He bought it at one of
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the last Knob Creek machine gun shoots. Speaking of that,
the reference in the movie to the to the form
four four seven three from the sporting guns store is
that's the form that you will fill out when buying
a gun. The stores have to keep them as a
record of sale, so they could be used to figure
out who bought guns from the storm. That's a sh look, Eric,
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you're making me say a lot of it. Anyway, as
far as the ratings from the movie, I would give
it a solid eight five. I'm absolutely biased, but in
my opinion, but it's my opinion. My shot for shot
is the beginning to the movie when they drive up
on the roadblock and Swayze pulls off the road under fire.
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Then the American UH one gunship takes out the roadblock.
That's the first time they say it's ours. Keep up
the good work, guys, I love what you're doing. Also,
Ryan Diehard is not a Christmas movie. Hashtag team mark later. Eric.
First of all, Eric, thank you so much for sending
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your feedback. That's super awesome. Sorry if I butchered reading that,
you want to send feedback in the movie, swoll sendheim
a gmail dot com or a recommendation for a movie,
or if you want to tell us that we were wrong.
You know.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Either way, it is when like someone comes along and
like knows things and you're just talking shit about stupid things.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Right right, yeah, we love that, So you should.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Like quit stumbling and making my rant seem stupid with
your facts, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Facts, you don't need any dish of facts. Sorry that
I don't know your hashtag team Mark, but I just
kind of decided that maybe it is worthy of being
a movie you watch on Christmas Eve? All right, yeah
cool man.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Oh my quick shot for shot I loved whenever Al
the Policeman was reciting by memory all the ingredients in
a twinkie.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
That's pretty good. That was good man. I don't know
if I have a shot for shot on this one.
I just love me so much, but I'll go with again.
It's another iconic just him in the air shaft along
with his lighter and that guy poking to see where
he is. Uh. But the reason I love that because
(51:18):
like they made that into a Christmas ornament, right, yeah,
and just solidifying like people are they're making this movie
a freaking Christmas movie. Speaking of Christmas movie, so my
pick I thought, why not keep it going? Another action
movie that takes place during Christmas that I guess you
(51:39):
can call it a Christmas movie. But also by keep
it going, I'm thinking fuck it die Hard too. Oh jeezus.
It is the season which was was two or three
with Samuel L. Jackson. That's three three and this one
is that the stop terraces at like the Dullest Airport
or something. Oh yep, yep, yep yep. And it's on
(52:02):
Prime or something Freeze something something something something Diehard to
go watch it. Tell us what you think. That's it? Cool?
All right man? Yeah? What is it? Oh? It's til
next time. Keep lifted that weight, bitches,
But we're good. We're good. We're calling. I don't have
the headphones. I have no idea. What's going on? What's up, everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's swow cinemaut back in your ears with die Hard
this week.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I am Ryan, I'm here with my buddy Mark. How
are you? What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm great, man, Thanks for asking, I'm super thanks for asking.
Just call me pregamed. We stopped doing that, like I
just suck up on us this time.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
We're good. It's a good movie though, a good time.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, die Hard, Diehard, Yeah, the original nineteen you know. Uh,
there's something called a death boner. No, so if you die,
you can have it. You could find you with erection.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Is that like?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Was that a fun fact you found about the movie?
Like die Hard was actually like a play on words
of death boner.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
No, it just that's what popped into my head. Cool. Cool,
Make die Hard a podcast called punch Farm that I
did with some friends. I forget. I don't know if
it was from an Adam Sandler movie or something, but
we found out that that's true. Yeah, huh, death boner,
which would be a completely different movie like die Hard
(01:24):
death Boner. Hey, it actually, uh it works die Hard
to Death, Boner, Diehard three, I don't know. Yeah, we'ch
just tie noop.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Uh yeah, So Diehard nineteen eighty eight. Man, it's been
a long time since I watched this, but tis the
season and uh, I was like, yeah, I kind of
want to watch it again. And the only the only
unfortunate thing was I don't know what cut I got
because I watched it on YouTube TV, and which is great,
like to pick up you do you watch it on
(02:00):
Time Prime?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
No? I was free on YouTube? Was it free on
Amazon Prime? Yeah? Damn.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I just saw YouTube TV and I just got I
was like, fuck it. Yeah, but I think I got,
like the TV version, So I missed out on some
fun swears, dude, But I don't think I really missed
out on any of the action. I think I just
did they do the kaya motherfucker? They just you know,
made it silent for the motherfucker keep kaye.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
But I knew the line.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So but yeah, yeah, so it'd been forever and man like,
it was fun watch. Man Like, it was what an
hour and like fifty minutes or something, But it was
a fun.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Watch on maybe a on the version you saw it
was two hours and eleven God damn it. So you
might have missed. But I imagine if they were censoring
out the swear words, they cut out some violence. Yeah hmm, yeah,
that's a bummer. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, it's like I said, it's been so long, but
I mean I've seen it before, but it's been so
long since I didn't really remember it.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I haven't watched this movie. Oh, I just give it
a good fifteen years for more. Yeah. Yeah, it's I
don't know why. That might be exaggeration, maybe five, I.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Know, I kind of now I'm gonna have to watch
it again within the next couple of weeks because I
want to see those extra eleven minutes and I missed
that one.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
We're you gonna watch it on Christmas Eve because it's
a Christmas movie.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
No, I watched Bad Sand on Christmas Eve. Okay, my
other favorite non Sand on Christmas Christmas movie.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Well, he's dressed like Santa. But it hasn't called Bad Sanda, right,
But it has nothing to do with Christmas story story.
It's just about Robin the mall.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
It does home alone, really, right, that's just takes place
on Christmas, right.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
That's why.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
That's why I love calling it a Christmas movie, like
I don't. If you don't want to call Chris, I
don't care. But the more I like sat here and
talking about no, I have a notes for the debate. Okay, no,
it's not a Christmas movie, but we should save that. Yeah,
we should be talking about why the movie actually is really.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Fucking good, fucking good. Yeah, and let me tell you.
I hit play last night, you know, I got, I
got my drink, got on the couch, hit play, and
I was sinking to myself like, you know, man, it's
like two hours, like this movie is really not even
that good. What hold on? There's what's going on in
(04:17):
my head. Here's what's going on my head. Like you know,
of all the you know, action movies, you know, everybody
like thinks this is great. It's not that good. But
that's because I haven't seen it for so long, right
that it had uh maybe got other diet haards mixed
in my head or or just forgot, because once we
started watching, I was like, oh ship, this fucking movie
(04:40):
is so much fun. Yeah, yeah I was, I was.
I was wrong. I don't That's why. Maybe you're somebody,
you know, some kick ass movies, you shouldn't wait five
to ten years to watch them again, right, if you
might forget how kick ass it.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Is, Like there's it was just one of those movies
where a lot of action movies have some far fetched scenes.
Everyone does, but this one was, like I just I
loved how tight the unbelievable was. There wasn't that much
that was far fetched, you know, too too bad And
you mean.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Like when he wraps the fire hose around his waist
he jumps off the building. That one that's not right,
Like I said too much. I said too much, But
like I loved everything.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Even for being like two hours long. It was still
a tight two hours like you weren't. There wasn't a
lot of lull. There was always something happening. The most
the boring scene was the opening scene, Like I don't
need to see him get off the plane, just fucking
put him in a cap or put him in a limo.
Put him in the airport getting into the limo because
you got to meet Argyle like the limo driver. So
put him in the airport getting off a plane.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
You don't. I don't need to see him on the plane.
About that scene too, when he gets off he's in
the airport and he sees a guy holding a sign
with his name right that he didn't know about apparently, right,
you think it did. Did his wife send that for him?
You think she'd let him know, like, hey, yeah, the
company's hooking you up. It just I don't know unless
(06:00):
we met, unless there was something lost in an edit somewhere, yeah,
where they you know, where he knew we see, because
he seemed like he seemed like surprised, like Takachi or
whatever the head guy was.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
He thanked him at the things like oh you you're
the one to thank for that or whatever, and I'm like, so, yeah,
he definitely acted like he didn't know what if he
walked by him and didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Pay, because our guyle was definitely not you know, holding
his sign up and spinning it to get his attention,
because our guy is like, first time yeah driving a limo, right, Yeah,
he's like he was.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
He was that fun stupid, like tiny bit of comic
relief that you know, like gets the call back at
the end for a fun scene, like like I said,
everything and he stopped by. My favorite part of the
Argyle scene was they were playing It's Christmas and Hollis
on the radio.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Like that was.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
When he's pulling into Knockatomi Tower, He's like he's playing
Christmas and Hollis.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
On the radio. It's like, that's fucking great. It's a
Christmas movie. And I was still like watching it, going
like no, I want to argue why it's not, but
they're making it hard, right. It's because starting off with
that song, and of course it's a Christmas party. Yeah.
Is it supposed to be Christmas Eve? I think so.
I think it was Christmas Eve, which seems you got
(07:16):
to work for a real shitty company to other party, yeah,
to have their party on Christmas Eve when you just
want to be home with your family chilling. Right.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Oh yeah, that's because like I was sitting there saying
the same thing, like uh, like what you're watching it
and you're like and his wife is still doing work
and she's like, it's five forty, go enjoy the party.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I'm like, it's five forty. Why are you still doing anything?
Like on Christmas Eve? Right? Yeah, nothing else is open.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
You're the only person working right now, like, especially because
you're on West Coast, so it's been it's been five
o'clock on the East Coast for a while.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, people on the East Coast are already drunk, right,
you know, celebraty and Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Speaking of that, that cracked me up too, because that
uh John McLean walks through the Christmas party and that
guy's like.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Man Christmas, like kiss is him on mouth? I's like
it's five forty that guy is hammered. Company Christmas Party,
Dick's coming out tonight back then, put that ship on
the copy here.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Facts that to your rival company's up Merry Christmas. Here's yeah,
Like it was like that's a it's a other than
like the just the awkward couple first minute or two.
And I don't know if they did that to make
the joke like I'm a cop, don't worry. Other than that,
like this the first minute two scene pointless, but the
(08:35):
once he gets inside the tower like it's all fun,
like it's all good, good movie.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah cop, they want to set up that there's that's
a strange wife. Yea. Even her professional name is like
her it was like Holly Gennaro Gennaro, which he notices,
you know, so without saying much, we know that like okay.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, it's been quick to like it's been six months.
Like in the car ride, you know, Argau helps set
that up, like they you get the exposition of, oh,
it's been six months. She moved out here for a
good job. You haven't really been out since like blah
blah blah. And then that's the first thing he goes to, Uh,
let's search the keypad for her name to find out
where what floor she's on, and he searches for mc clane.
(09:20):
There's no Holly McLain working. It's Holly Gennaro, Like, of course,
I love that. Like she doesn't expect to have a
fight right away, right for like she's been there, like
they haven't officially been separated, divorced anything. He's coming out
the she's hoping he comes out to visit and everything else.
And she changed he's using her maiden name, like and
you know she didn't change it. She used to immediately
(09:40):
navigate there.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
She was on the door right and everything. Yeah. Well,
his thing was like he really didn't think she was
gonna her career was gonna blow up like this, So
he was like, I she'll be coming back to New York.
Well he was wrong. Yeah she's killing it, killing and yeah,
well I don't know how the company is nowadays after
(10:02):
the tower's blowing up, but looks like she was making
some serious bucks. He could have just came out and
like chilling in California. Oh yeah, she was apparently what
second in command? She was like they killed the killed
the boss and you know that in that scene and
then I love I love that interaction with Well, Alan
Rickman himself is just a stone cold bag. Oh yeah,
(10:22):
he's so fucking good. He stand out in this movie.
Like you know, if there would have been a different actor,
I don't know how good this movie would actually be.
I said, like we watched Cliffhanger. I said, there's a
couple guys.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
There's only a couple of guys that stand out as
just amazing bad guys like Lyft Gowen, Cliffhanger, and uh
and uh like Alan Alan Rickman. Pretty much anything is
really good. But in this one he was Hans Gruber.
He was fucking amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah. In fact, like imagine they tried to do this
movie and I never looked up who else was being cast,
right looked at But imagine if instead of Bruce Willis,
it was stallone instead of a and if Hans Gruber
was oh, I must break you.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Dolph Well, I mean his Swedish Norwegian whatever counterparts kind
of looked like knockoff versions and Dolf right do wi.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
This is a movie that the casting is it just worked? Yeah, yeah,
I think it. I know it wasn't Bruce Willis coming
off of a big fan with Moonlighting, that TV show
back in the nineties, but I think it's just uh
or was wait was that in the eighties? I can't remember,
(11:42):
but this is like was like one of his first big,
real Hollywood blockbuster and I think he brings a certain
level of coolness that Slide or Arnold or something like
that doesn't like. And he looks and he's not as
jacked up as those guys. I was gonna say, almost
what do you call that? Well, he's not imposing.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, I mean he's he's still big, but he's not like, yeah,
he's not just over the top Jack daw you know
Jack Dann.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I like this is unassuming character that heated ends up
being like a straight up badass and good at being
I guess a cop too. He's able to like start
to identify like, well, that's fucked up, that's messed up. Yeah, yeah,
I think I think this is what really works for
this movie is those two actors really just when they're
(12:33):
on screen, you just can't help watch everything they're saying.
And some of the lines are just quotable, like people,
you know, I'm sure if he asks Benny, he could
quote everything Bruce Willis says, because ship Ton is quotable. Yeah, motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I mean even the part where he's, uh, like you,
Reginald L. Johnson, what's his al? The cop like gets
introduced and he's on the radio and he's like, what
do I call you? And he's like, call me Roy
because of the Previoux exchange you had with Hans Greuer,
Like even that line is just funny, like call me Roy, Like,
oh and.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah that so that actor was the dad in was
It Family Matters? Yeah? Like he was.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah he was a cop in that movie too, or
a cat in that show. Yeah, and that was one
with ercle right, yep, yep, he was great. I love
how they formed this huge bond.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Em Dan they hug. I'm like, right, you only really
talked five times? Yeah, you know with the Walkee talkies.
Wud you guys look like you've been through the ship together. Right, Oh,
I know, and Bruce Willi has been through the ship
and well his car guy a little messed up and
he had to avoid getting getting murdered by the back guy,
but he drove his car backwards. But oh yeah, I
(13:49):
still I still really like that too.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah it was I did find it funny because I said,
I said the same thing in my head whenever they
like they see each other, like ah, like they actually
really did, but like, no, you just talked to him
on the walkie talkie couple of times.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
But then they bring it around right after that where
he like, know what he looked like, Yeah, that's really
so what he was seeing, Like you just pick out
the one guy that gives you that look, that look,
give him that look from across the parking lot, and
he just knew this gotta be al. This's gotta be al,
you know. But I didn't mind. Oh yeah, it was like, no,
(14:26):
I want these two to meet. They're going to be
best friends forever.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Little he's you know, his girl's going to swing with
little aw on the in the playground.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
But yeah, Alan Rickman, Uh, I'd say some of the
scenes were like over the top of it, like in
a good bad guy way m like they were. They're
just great, almost to teetering on ridiculousness, but great.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Even the as I was watching it, even I said
the like, not the main care like the inciliary characters
that were like just herds, Like they did such a
good job of setting them up as turds.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Oh, like the one guy who's the coke head.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, the coke head and the h and the news
reporter guy, Like you don't see them a lot, but
they you instantly know. They wrote them so so well
that you instantly knew, like this guy's a piece of ship. Yeah,
like the whatever Reggie or whatever the fuck the guy's
name was, it's John McLean walks into his wife's office
and he's like trying to brush the coke quickly off
the desk in his face, Like, yeah, I just love
(15:29):
that missed the spot, like we all knew what you
were doing, even if you didn't missus, like we all
knew you were doing fucking coke. I had to make
a call, you mean on the desk.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Like shoot the fuck up. Reggie was just too coked
up to understand reality. They already killed uh oh yeah,
the owner of uh was it was it? But he
thought if he goes and spoo talks him and tries
to talk John.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And I love that he just met him, and think
he's going to negotiate this thing, like like what like
you have, like you have to be such a pompous
asked to think you're going to pull that off. And
like even when he's going in like I got this,
I negotiate million dollar deals for breakfast, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
But even just looking at the guy in the way,
he was actually like, nah, you don't, no.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You're a trust fund baby. Yeah, but that's I mean,
like the casting, the look, everything they did with him.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
They wouldn't have killed the owner of the company. I
have a feeling that Reggie was getting fired. I don't
know his names, Reggie, Reggie was looking at no idea.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I was just saying that he looks like a Reggie,
So yeah, I know, is Eddie, he'd be a Reginald.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
You were close, Eddie. Is that what it is, Eddie?
I don't know it's working, but that's what I'm going with. Yeah,
that's like him.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And like the reporter who looking for the school, even
like they didn't even have to write the reporter into it.
He could have been like that could have been completely
edited out and it would have been fine because.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
He didn't play a role. But they just gave you
another guy.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Like, because I looked at this movie, I was like, man,
they gave you a reason to hate all authority figures, right,
all the media, all the people you want to hate,
you know, all the people you're like, they're just slimy.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Oh this guy was the worst. The only guy you
liked was al from the police.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Because the sergeant who's been in a ton of films
in that role, I've seen him everywhere he was. He
was a smarmy dick. The two FBI agents, both Johnson
and Johnson, were just popist aragon assholes.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Right. It wasn't the the the he wasn't the chief,
but he was this sergeant. Sergeant, Well, I was a sergeant.
But then the guy that showed up. I thought the
other guy was a sergeant. Was he a sergeant too?
But he was from oh breakfast club? Yeah, principle, Yeah, yes,
I said, I.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Know, I've seen the guy a hundred things, but but yes,
so you you hated him. You hated the like the
only thing go about the FBI guys when they first
got there, like, I'm agent Johnson. This is agent Johnson,
and this a black and white guy.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
No relation. Fucking great, Like, that's such a great throw line.
When they when they got helicopters and they're flying over
the city to go to the rooftop. The one guy's like,
this reminds me of Saigon. Man, what's happening? They take gus?
You know they have gunships. Yeah. I mean because they
requested I guess thepters helicopters to get out, so they
(18:28):
brought gunships. I was looking at the goose and I
didn't notice it watching the movie, but I do remember
at one scene there was two helicopters. But when they
get to the towers or tower, uh, this is one. Yeah,
and know what happened to the other helicopter. We don't know.
I thought there might have been three at one point. Yeah,
but I do the other Johnson is one partner. He's like,
(18:50):
this reminds me of Sagon, right, and he's like I
was twelve, you asshole, or something like that. I was like, boy,
this is a whole side story because this guy looks
like he's ready to just start shooting anything that moves.
Oh yeah, I love he looked like that FBI agent
went like nuts.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well, I don't know if you noticed, but he turned
his hat backwards like he was in over the top.
When he turns his hat backwards, he's like a machine.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Oh yeah, that like the whole thing when he got
in there, he's wearing a suit somehow, has a baseball
cap on all of a sudden and turns it backwards
to get to get into like look at it through
a sniper rifle that in a helicopter. I was like,
it's all kinds of fun in that whole scene.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah. Yeah, again, it seems like that. It's like, hey,
don't take this movie serious. Oh, he's just supposed to
be a fun ride.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, this is this is peak action late eighties, early nineties.
Like you're not going to get much better than this.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Because I saw like their whole plan was to break
into steel like what six hundred and forty million in
bonds bonds or something. Yeah, And part of the plane
is they needed the FBI to show up killed a
power yeah, which would unlock the safe. Yeah, the safe
after they did a bunch of other stuff to the safe. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
The safe had like seven or eight or nine or something.
Like that safe locks on it, and one was a password,
six were like locks in the thing, and the last
couldn't only was electromagnets.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
They had to cut the power so the magnet wouldn't
have wouldn't Yeah, and I saw something like in real
life that wouldn't happen because the whole ability would have
like a backup generator. And uh so I'm like, dude,
just I did a movie.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I did laugh because I was like, I was thinking
that because I was sitting there, like because you know,
Hans is saying like no, like being he alluded to,
like no, at some point, the cops need to.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Come here, like we need to get the the you.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Know, the people involved, because they knew that's what they
do that they put the lights on, they you know,
cut the power all that stuff. But yeah, you're they're
sitting there and you have cuts that actually didn't cut
the power. They shut a grid down, right, and and
when it did, you're watching, like it comes on John
mcclaney sitting there and it goes dark and immediately emerge,
didn't you hear the voice? Emergency generators activated, so lights
(21:02):
and everything came back on. The Only thing I didn't
have power was the vault.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
But how convenient. It's like they knew speaking of going dark,
I had there was just a it's so glorious. So
he's wearing like a white tank top. Was back in
the row they were referred to as wife beaters, So
do you remember those era? Uh, it's why I think
(21:27):
it's a little dirty that all of sudden it's just brown,
like the wardrobe department just switched out the shirt. H
brown like because I was a couple of scenes like,
wait is it because it was supposed to be like
really dirty, Like no, that that's pretty sure. It's a
whole different color now. I didn't even notice. Gonna be honest,
I did.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I did continuity, man, continuity, Well, you make films, so
you notice that ship.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I'm just long with a ride, baby. It didn't. It
didn't take me out of the movie. It's just something
I noticed, Yeah, and other people noticed it too, and.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Then it just disappeared because I thought at one point
I thought, I was like, that's what you do, right,
like the whole like it was a fun, stupid part
of the movie that didn't really amount to anything except
a couple of fun lines. Was he wasn't wearing shoes
like he was. He got to the thing, got to
uh off the plane and one to quote unquote refresh.
(22:22):
So he's in the sink, you know, apparently took us
all like half of his clothes off, but he's in
the sink, you know, washed himself up and took his
shoes off. So the rest of the movie doesn't have
shoes because the terrorists got there. But here's the one
thing I wanted to say is about that scene is
he's sitting there taking a bath in the sink apparently,
And he's sitting there and he wipes his armpits down
(22:44):
and sets the towel back up, continues to have a
conversation and then she's like, well.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I gotta go do this whatever. Then he face with
the town and then he wipes his face with the tower.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I was like, ah, at that point, my wife was
sitting next to me. He's like, well, maybe he was.
He was putting this musk on.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
For later, right, it's my sent that's like, yeah. As
soon as he did the wipe his face, like oh,
come on. And then so yeah, well he's on the
airplane and I don't know if it was in their
landing or getting off the one guy's like, you know,
how to get over He's like he's like, get on,
get on a carpet and make fists with your toes
(23:18):
or something. That's right? Was that cut? Then? Oh? He
said carpet carpet. So there's a scene where John's doing
maybe that that's why some of those missing minutes. So
there's a lot going on. When he gets back to
the hotel cleaning up, he takes his shoes off and
does that, and he was like, bitch works and what
what just that little bit to put that in Now
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you know, well that's why he's not wearing shoes, right,
And though it seems dumb, it's great because now he's
got to do all that his feet are getting cut.
It adds this element of like, geez, is this guy
gonna be okay? Right? That one little stupid line from.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
You know, the airline that's that makes sense because I
think that part that's the carpet scene. I didn't remember
it from before, and it wasn't in the in the
FX cut or whatever I watched it. So that's why
I was like, yeah, the airplane scene was fucking pointless,
and I found but it wasn't yeah, it was literally
there just to set up the they basically filmed another
scene just to do this running like shoeless gang.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Well, even when he fought the first big german bad guy,
after he killed him, he goes to try to shoes.
I killed the one guy with smaller feet than I am.
Because again they were like which actually I really like,
because they were going to keep them barefoot. Yeah, because
he's going to add to like uh later scenes where
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he's his feet are cut and then there's blood trails. Again,
they had to write in a little bit of dialogue
like because most people are like, oh, I would just
take shoes off the guy you just killed. Well, here's
why they don't work, and like the I don't know,
that's my impression of people complain.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I don't know if you paid attention to the size
of the glass chunks he was pulling out of his foot,
like you wouldn't be able to walk, dude, Like he
was pulling out these massive, you know, pulling out these
massive chunks of glass.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
But it was just funny. I was like, holy.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And then in like the next scene he's running around
like they blood trails at first, but then he just
you know, pulls the glass out and runs his feet
under the water, and then miraculously the next scene there's
no blood footprints anywhere. No, because I was like, his uh,
his white beater disappeared.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
At one point. It's like, wouldn't you cut that off
and wrap it around your feet at that point? Nope.
Right now you start maybe thinking like, was there a
scene cut out and that's why I had a brown
tank top on him? Yeah, because he used the other one.
I don't know. I still think at one point you're like, wow,
the Colver shirt changed far more than it should just
from dirt, right Anyway, I'm not hung up on that.
I'm just saying great action scenes though, Like, yeah, I
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thought the fight scenes were good, and like some of
the fight scenes were too good. Is like, really is
he a because he is his whaling on this guy?
Is John McClean just a better fighter than these hired.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Henchman the it was the only part it was wasn't
as satisfying when he gets the first kill because they're
busting around through this unfinished you know, part of the
building and everything, and they just fall down the stairs
and he breaks his neck as they fall down the stairs.
Like that was unsatisfying, but they make up for it
when he like sends him down the elevator and that
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another like iconic moment where he sits since puts a
Santa hat on him and writes in blood, now I
have machine gun Alan, and Alan Rickman reading that made
it so much better because he acted like he didn't
know what Ho ho ho was?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
How I have a machine gun? Ho ho ho? That's
the genius.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
It was one of those minds where I was like, I,
it's just so funny how he read that like like
he didn't get it, like he didn't what Ho ho
ho was?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
It was great, stupid great. Yeah, should we take a break,
We'll come back with more sure death bone, I mean
die hard death. We'll be right back and we're back.
We are back.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, Like it's talking about fighting scenes still, that's what
I want to thought, like they just go because you
mentioned I don't want to mention that, like the Ho
ho ho part, but the uh yeah, the fighting scene
with was it Hans no, not Hans, I forget I
forget the names now, but the first guy killed was
his brother, so he's mad the entire movie. And then
when you get to that fighting scene like, yeah that
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when they first start out, McClean is lighting him up.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
It was pretty hilarious. I'm like, how's this guy going
to fight back? He just landed five hard punches, like
to the body and head.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
But again, that bad guy made the mistake that in
a lot of action movies, rather than just shoot mcclaim right, yeah,
he's like, he made it personal, so now I'm going
to fistfight you, right, So he could have just got
revenge right there and then ed been the end of
the movie or a great ending.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
But that's at the very least like maybe shoot a
kneecap out so like you're guaranteed, you know, or maybe
both me kept then you can beat him to a
bloody pulp play.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But and there was no Here's the thing with the movie,
there's no real backstory on the clean right, even Hans like,
it's just this is what we know. We have a
little bit that he's estranged from his family, but the
family still loves him. That's about it. So sometimes when
he was fighting, he was just wailing that one guy
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kidney shots, uh you know, head shots, like he looked
like a skilled fighter. Yeah, I'm like, it's got to
be a backstory because this guy, he's hold his own
against the you know, like at least ten bad guys, right,
I mean individually. He didn't take him on all at
the same time, but when he'd meet one, he.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
And the women and the ones that he actually got
into it like fights with were tall dudes.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
They were big guys.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
They were look like Willis Vikings five eight or something, right,
I don't know, he Tom Cruise, you wear lifts.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
This is everything say about Hollywood people. They're the smaller
people who better on camera. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I would assume Bruce Willis was like in that five
ten to six foot range. Maybe I don't know, and maybe,
of course, I guess that's the magic of camera.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
We'll find out because the Internet will tell me. Bruce
Willis this says six foot, there you go, but also
says slies five ten. I thought he was short in that.
I don't know. I don't know why. It's just it's
throwing up like a couple of people at the same
time that it says John Travolta six two. I believe
that John Travolta. Yeah, I would never have guessed that.
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I guess I would never guess that John McClain was
six foot but ye know, there you go, Hollywood lies.
Doesn't you'd be with any height to be an actor.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Like professional wrestling, they had two inches and twenty pounds, right,
which is why whenever I looked up one wrestler, I
was like, I think I could take him. And I
looked him up and had him listed at like six
foot one eighty or something. I was like, I could
definitely take him. He's definitely not that whatever he haven't
listed at that's not his real way.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Come on. And then in typical internet fashion, somebody has
listed like funny foot eleven and a half inches.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I don't think so, John McLean, You're not getting six
foot out.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Of us, oh man?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
But yeah, I think it was uh like the like
the other big fun scene was the was the one
where he catches Hans top of the building. I'm like,
and what cracks me up? Because why is Hans doing
that by himself? It's a set up a fun scene,
of course, but yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
That's where he would say either go with ah, yeah henchman,
or just send a henchman.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah and so yeah, so Hans is up on the
top looking like making sure the c force set or
if it's up there or whatever, and he, uh, it's
great because he's like McLean finds him, but he's all
suited up like he's a businessman, and he like quick
on the feet, boom goes. This transitions were straight into
a like western like southern kind of accent, and he
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killed it.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
He did a great job. Yeah, it's great. And he
looked at the board like there was names on like
what you know, businesses on floors, and one was like Clay. Yeah,
and he's like Bill Clay and he fools but you know,
he didn't. He gave him a he gave him a
gun but with no bullets, right, so it's kind of
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and he even said like do you think I'm dumb
when he tried to shoot him? Right? Uh so, hey,
he he didn't fully believe him, right, which was which
was a fun setup because you're sitting there thinking and
he was like, dah, man, you should go on acted,
you should be winning us.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
But yeah, it was it was a fun scene because
you're sitting there looking at like this, there's a company.
He's immediately gonna trust some rando that he sees in it.
You know, like you think you think one of those.
But yeah, it was great because it gave him a
gun with no bullets, just to play it out, you know,
play out, Yeah, because he's that smart. But then again
right there, you're like, okay, well then just shoot him,
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like shoot the main bad guy.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Right and and see and movie over right? Yeah? Yeah, no,
I thought the movie again when I said at the
top of the show that, I was like, that's right,
I don't really like this movie. It's kind of boring.
I loved everything about this. I don't know where I
got this impression it was boring. Maybe after seeing all
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five or six diehards, right, I started just to equate
the last couple because they were bad, right, but justin
long one was pretty rough. Yeah, and the one where
Ji Courtney was like his son, I don't even I
don't even know if that might have been the very
last one. Yeah. Maybe I just was thinking, like it's over,
you know, overhyped. Everybody loves this, but do they really
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like it? Uh No, Man, it was just fun. Every
scene was fun. Every action set piece was over the top.
And even when you knew like it was over the top,
He's not gonna be on him tire fire hose around
his waist, jump off the building. Yeah, crash into window,
but it works, like just works. Throwing throwing.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
There's no way he's gonna be able to land that
body on the foot of a cop car, but he did,
Like he throws that dead body off and it was so.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
So stupid but fun. You're like, oh shit, that's great.
Like no, like even all the Christmas music and references,
I'm like fucking love it. I'm still gonna argue, but
I love it. Like, yeah, there's I have really no
no issues, even like continent, even the going from a
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white dirty shirt to just a straight up brown. Sure,
I have no issues with this movie. I really think
it's I want to say perfect, right, but it's a
it's a high bar of an action movie. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Oh yeah, Like youah, judge it against this movie because,
like I said, because there's no there's no slow part
without without it constantly being shooting and fighting, there's still
no slow parts. There's still no like low where you're like,
all right, let's wrap it up like all of that,
like everything's everything was just tight, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I even the writing the dialogue that McLean had great,
Bruce Willis's delivery on some the lines great way, Yeah,
come to the West Coast. He even when he was
like talking out loud to himself, you know, crawling through
the air ducts, like it was like, what do you
call that? Witty? Yeah? Sharp? Everything about it was like,
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this is action movie dialogue. One on one. If you
want to write cool action movie. Die Hard is doing
it great with those iconic stuff that you can walk
away with, like you.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Oh man, like you're like through the nineties, Kan, it's
still like you p K. Motherfucker is just constantly quoted.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, yeah like this. You know, I don't need to
do the rady now, but I'm telling you it's high. Yeah.
And I was surprised that. I'm surprised at myself, Like
where did you get this idea that it wasn't that good?
Were you just did you just want to argue with Ryan?
Was that the whole was that the whole reason you
thought this wasn't wasn't worth all the hype? No, it's
freaking awesome. Yeah. Speaking of argument, though, I do want
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to get to the everybody calls it a Christmas movie.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Now, I feel like there's a minority, a loud minority
that screams Christmas movie. I think a lot of people
don't want to call it a Christmas movie.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Just matter.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I talked to our buddy Tim on Saturday, and I
said something about, we're on a podcast, We're watching my
favorite Christmas movie, Diehard, because again, I know it gets
people up, like they hate the calling a Christmas movie.
And he said, it's not a Christmas movie. It's a
great movie, it's not a Christmas movie. I'm like, all right, Well,
like my whole thing with Christmas movies is Hallmark puts
out about thirty Christmas movies every year, and hasn't they
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had but people will call him that, like not even
blink and eye. But they have nothing to do with Christmas.
It has to do about a big city girl going
back to her country roots and meeting someone who's cute
and they fall in love and live happily ever. But
Christmas has nothing to do with it. They're wearing red
and green sweaters. That's about as much Christmas as it is.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
How do you know that's the kind of movies Hallmark
is putting it Because I.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Go back to my parents and that's what's on the
TV constantly around Christmas time.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
So I have a very simplistic gardument. But I also
have a quote here from Bruce Willis that I'll play
I'll play that in a second. Oh, I forget he
did weigh in, And I forgot, Yeah he did weigh in.
You know, so I was thinking, you know, like, okay, Yeah,
the easiest argument is, like, just because the movie set
at Christmas doesn't make it a Christmas movie, right? For me?
(37:00):
A Christmas movie anyway growing up? Anyway, Santa was in it,
Rude Olph, Frosty, the movies that were absolutely upset a
Christmas movie that you watched at Christmas time. Yeah, this
had nothing to do with that. Yes, Uh, when he
killed the one bag guy and wrote wrote on a
(37:20):
sweater ho ho ho, and he put a little sand
hat on him, all that doesn't mean it's still a
Christmas movie yet. But I know we're set during this
time period. A lot of the music though, that's Christmas music.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Begin the beginning and end scenes and with like a
lot of christ The first song, the first song they
play is Christmas and Hollis and then I forget what
the what the last one was, but it was definitely
an iconic Christmas song they played during end credits like, yeah,
I forget what it was, but becare I was.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
I was like, oh man, they're ending it with that too.
He was even whistling a Christmas song. When they do
get the vault open and they see all the stuff inside, yeah,
uh they this Christmas Christmas orchestra music strikes up and
the one guy that the hacker dude was like, marry
Christmas or something like that, and I'm like, yeah shit,
(38:07):
they're starting to starting to get me. But let me play.
Uh what Bruce Willis had to say, I'm not gonna
be able to hear it. I told you put headphones
on what you did, okay, but this is this is
for the people. I mean, I can give you headphones
and then cut out the dead silence where I can
just play it. Do you want to headphones? Oh whatever? Okay,
then I'm pretty sure I know what he said. Okay,
(38:28):
here we go. I did this rose for one reason,
and for one reason only, to settle something once and
for all. Now, please listen very carefully. Die Hard is
not a Christmas movie. It's a goddamn Bruce Willis movie.
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So you kaye to all of you mother fuck us
good night, and there you go. He said, it's not
a Christmas movie. It's a Bruce Willis movie. He was
he was being funny. Uh, because the more I h
(39:21):
here in a car alarm going on? Is it mine home?
It's not mine? No, I don't know why I touch
my second Do you have an app on your phone?
I think totally interrupted the podcast. Listen to that car
alarm still going off, It's been going on for a while. Well,
you know what, this is where we'll edit because I
got to go make sure it's not my car. All
(39:44):
it wasn't my car, everybody, So Merry Christmas. I have
nothing worry about. I'm just gonna leave all that in sas.
So you know, people need to know they can we
record this real time. Actually hear them running to the door.
So yeah, he said, it's not a Christmas movie. But
you know, the more I thought about it, I did
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lose my my not zest to argue. I think I
was convinced that you know what it is, if that's
the way you want to look at it. Here I
found a study, and not study, a press release from
the Dish network. This was like back, this was of
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all networks even still around. I don't know, but this
was like twenty seventeen study they said that one point
three million Americans watched Diehard on Christmas Even twenty sixteen,
which beat out Home Alone, a Miracle on thirty four Street,
and the Santa Claus, which that's Tien Allen. Right, yeah, yeah,
(40:50):
so you know what, people watch this movie on Christmas Eve.
That's pretty badass, right, So therefore I don't really give
a shit either way. Right, I've said that too.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
I will consider it what I want, But if you don't,
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Here's the thing. I don't know if my kid's ever
seen it, So now I'm like, man, I would definitely
may I would definitely watch it on Christmas Eve now,
I but you know, with there's decorations it takes place
on Christmas Eve that I'd almost turn it into yeah,
it's our Christmas Eve movie. Oh, I said, that's that's why.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Like the movie I watch on Christmas Eve because I
love it so much is Bad Santa. It's such a stupid,
goofy movie. But like in it's set around Christmas, but
it really has nothing to do with Christmas.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
But it's fun. It's a fun watch.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Like it's really funny billy Bob kills it as a
drunk mal Santa.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
There's a movie too that first time I saw, I
was like, I fucking hate this. This movie sucks. I
think I said it before. I'm like, okay, wait, maybe
I get it. Maybe I didn't get it, yeah at first.
Sometimes there's movies that people rave about, you like, what's
the big deal this think sucks? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Oh yeah, but yeah, I mean I could get it.
But I think that's it's funny because I think the
argument I had, like I would put forth as a
Christmas movie, but versus people that say it's not, is
probably the same and has nothing to do with Christmas.
You're right, but it's set around Christmas. And how many
movies that people call Christmas movies really don't have anything
to do with Christmas.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
They're just set around Christmas. Now, we know you watch
the Hallmark Channel. Yeah, it's fucking great. There's sweaters. They
put them in the amazing Green and Red every time.
Hey man, that's the that's the college. You know. They
pump they pump out like ten to twenty oh new
Christmas movies each year on Hallmark. Disturbing. It's insane. Yeah,
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but they're the same premise, though there's always a strange
merry cup or something like that, and maybe they get
back together Dan and the kids are happy like it
is if you look at this movie, it is a
Hallmark movie, right, That's why I left. Is like the
please take out all the killings, the violence, take out
to death, and it's about them. It's a love story
about a man because why hearing in uh oh yeah,
(43:03):
who is? I don't know if you always introducing his
wife to al after they have a big hug. He's like,
this is my wife, Holly Gennaro. Uh and she's like, McLean, yeah, oh,
it's a it's a love story. He's like, no, we're still.
You saved my life, so I guess you know saved
my life.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
You killing all that, you taking down a group of
terrorists pretty much by yourself, really got me.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Wet, right, you get by himself because when SWAT showed up,
they sucked right, And when the even FBI, like only John,
only a cop from New York City, was capable of
taking down these terrorists.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
And again there's like another one of those parts, well
that's not a fucking Christmas story. Another one of this
parts where you're like you learned, like you want to
hate the people in charge because there's a group of
twelve and they send they send four cops up to
the door to break in, not just to smash the
windows and get through there to pick the lock. Then
they're trying to cut They're there for like a minute
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and a half.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Yeah, they're the worst swat team. Like sometimes when I
was watching, like, did you guys send in the trainees?
They don't look like they know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, they sent in meat to get killed. Because I
was like, if you can't get through that door in
like ten seconds you pulled back.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Why wouldn't they just take the armored vego? Why don't
they just why didn't they ran the front doors? Boom,
ran the front doors everybody you know, maybe they're behind
it and then they're in. No, they made these guys
up there, and it was so wrong and would you
get you'd even give him good tools. They weren't able
to cut through any of the locks. It was so wrong.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
How uh how Hans Gruber he was even like play
where they played nice something just wing them Like so
there's four guys a screaming that got hurt and not
trying to fall back.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
They weren't all hitting the legs. They're just laying there screaming.
I'm like, this is terrible. Oh yeah, I had a
good time watching it, and I'm gonna have to make
sure my kid sees it. He's twenty two, so we
can see the violence. He's twelve, he's old enough. I
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don't know, man, I don't want to. I don't. I'm
not gonna go a ten out of ten, but I'm
it's pretty high, like eight point eight, almost a nine.
Like this movie I could care about. I could care
less about any nitpicking flaws. It was fun and I
always know a movie is really good. Well my wife
doesn't fall asleep watching it, so.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it was so abum like like
we judged differently. You're you're a better spot on real judge.
I'm like, I'm here for stupid violence and storyline everything.
But I said, it was like, it's almost it's like
nine and a half ten, Like it's it was almost perfect.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
It was really fucking yeah. Yeah, there you go. Before
I tell you my pick for next time we did.
We did get an email from a list Eric you
know him, Oh no, oh, you worried he's upset with
your Red Dawn review. Yeah, he says, Hey, guys, in
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Mark's Pea Puncher voice. You know, it's just Mar's voice.
It's not a persona I put on for Pea Punchers,
or maybe it is for you those listening Paranormal Punchers
another podcast. Look it up. So this is from Eric,
since you requested my review of the movie. Here it goes, so, Ryan,
it's okay. You don't have to apologize. It's not Harley
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Davison in the Marvel Man or anything. Red Dawn was
a very formidable movie for me as a kid, especially
being a boy and a family of veterans. Not that
it made me join the army that was going to
happen anyway, but it really did help me forge an
independent and patriotic mindset. I think that the magic of
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the movie and the time it was made, the Cold
War was definitely not a minor thing as far as
the movie goes. From the very beginning, they give a
quick rundown of the political calamities that led to Eric,
what's these big words? I gotta say, you know, we
pregame on this show quick rundown of the political calamities
(47:19):
that led to the invasion happening. As far as the
small town in Colorado getting picked for the airborne operation.
That's a perfect place to pick because it's a mountain
pass town. We would secure passes in Afghanistan to control
and secure movement through the area. It's important in mountain
terrain the setup that the kids have in the mountains
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would be sufficient based on unconditional warfare standards. You don't
want to be too static or detectable. He wrote a
lot too challenging me. Eric. The radio that you guys
talked about being frozen was just a survival radio. They
packaged it in waterproof containers like the like that to
this day. I agree with you about the sound with
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the weapons. That's probably a product of the time. Another
product at the time is the Soviet weapons they used
in the movie. In nineteen eighty four, we didn't have
access to many Soviet block weapons, so they were acquired
from friendly countries like Finland. The belt fed machine guns
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in the movie were modified American M sixty machine guns
to look like dshk pronounced dishka, which I'd have known
that before I said dshk Dishka machine guns. I've had
the opportunity to play with the RpK that Sways he
had in the movie. A friend of mine owns it.
He brought it along. He bought it at one of
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the last Knob Creek machine gun shoots. Speaking of that,
the reference in the movie to the to the form
four four seven three from the sporting guns store is
that's the form that you will fill out when buying
a gun. The stores have to keep them as a
record of sale, so they could be used to figure
out who bought guns from the storm. That's a sh look, Eric,
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you're making me say a lot of it. Anyway, as
far as the ratings from the movie, I would give
it a solid eight five. I'm absolutely biased, but in
my opinion, but it's my opinion. My shot for shot
is the beginning to the movie when they drive up
on the roadblock and Swayze pulls off the road under fire.
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Then the American UH one gunship takes out the roadblock.
That's the first time they say it's ours. Keep up
the good work, guys, I love what you're doing. Also,
Ryan Diehard is not a Christmas movie. Hashtag team mark later. Eric.
First of all, Eric, thank you so much for sending
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your feedback. That's super awesome. Sorry if I butchered reading that,
you want to send feedback in the movie, swoll sendheim
a gmail dot com or a recommendation for a movie,
or if you want to tell us that we were wrong.
You know.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Either way, it is when like someone comes along and
like knows things and you're just talking shit about stupid things.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Right right, yeah, we love that, So you should.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Like quit stumbling and making my rant seem stupid with
your facts, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Facts, you don't need any dish of facts. Sorry that
I don't know your hashtag team Mark, but I just
kind of decided that maybe it is worthy of being
a movie you watch on Christmas Eve? All right, yeah
cool man.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Oh my quick shot for shot I loved whenever Al
the Policeman was reciting by memory all the ingredients in
a twinkie.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
That's pretty good. That was good man. I don't know
if I have a shot for shot on this one.
I just love me so much, but I'll go with again.
It's another iconic just him in the air shaft along
with his lighter and that guy poking to see where
he is. Uh. But the reason I love that because
(51:18):
like they made that into a Christmas ornament, right, yeah,
and just solidifying like people are they're making this movie
a freaking Christmas movie. Speaking of Christmas movie, so my
pick I thought, why not keep it going? Another action
movie that takes place during Christmas that I guess you
(51:39):
can call it a Christmas movie. But also by keep
it going, I'm thinking fuck it die Hard too. Oh jeezus.
It is the season which was was two or three
with Samuel L. Jackson. That's three three and this one
is that the stop terraces at like the Dullest Airport
or something. Oh yep, yep, yep yep. And it's on
(52:02):
Prime or something Freeze something something something something Diehard to
go watch it. Tell us what you think. That's it? Cool?
All right man? Yeah? What is it? Oh? It's til
next time. Keep lifted that weight, bitches,
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