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Speaker 1 (00:06):
What's up, everybody. Welcome the swol Cinema. I'm Mark, I'm
Ryan and on this episode, Yeah, I'm not sure what's
happened right now? Why I'm talking like.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
You sounded like you were gathering your thoughts as you
were introing.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Right, Yeah, yeah, who knows. I don't know where I
get ideas. He's trying not to you know, maybe a
wrestling ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls get ready to Yeah,
we're gonna welcome. Welcome to the show you love but
probably hate, which is cool because we love and hate
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most of the movies we watch.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, this was this was It was the Rock. The
Rock was Sean Connery and Nicholas Cage. What an odd combo,
right right, Like Sean Connery, James kind of serious, kind
of a badass kind of.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Dude, he's bond and then Big Daddy from the kick
Ass movie, Oh you Heroes? Yeah forgot man?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I said, I remember whenever the previews for kick Ass
came out, it looked like a like a kind of
like a hero comedy. And then there's that scene where
there burning Nicholas Cage alive, and I was like.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
This is not a comedy. It is kind of dark.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
It's kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I mean, there are funny parts in it, but like
it took that dark turn real Dick.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeap, the Cage died in that forgot Big Daddy was,
you know, and this movie's still kind of Big Daddy
because his wife tells him, Man, they're gonna have baby.
So oh wait, we're talking about the movie The Rock
from nineteen ninety Come on, I have that same nineteen
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ninety six boom with a pretty stellar cast though, Oh yeah,
for sure, Connery, Nicholas Cage, Ed Harris, William Foresight, Michael
Bean from.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Whenever We Turned It Turned Around. It was funny because
Rachel actually watched this one with me and we're sitting
there and it's, uh, like the intro, Like the beginning
intro is the like kind of montaging the Ed Harris's
Marine people, you know, getting ready to setting up the
plot of them, you know, rating the AMMO depot for
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these crazy ass chemical weapons. But Ed Harris is, you know,
he is dressed up and his outfit and every thing.
And I looked at him, I was sitting there, I
was like, you know, I was like, I don't know
if what he's like in real life, but in movies,
Ed Harris is a fucking man's man. He looks like
a badass dude, like he fits like that, like very
I mean, he's walking at one point with all of
his medals on and it's just you could, you know,
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make it's probably worth hundreds of dollars because you can melt.
I realized they're not probably solid gold, but there's just
so much gold there, Like it's he looks like, oh,
this guy has done some shit.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah he was General Francis X hummum.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And he looked, yeah, like a bad as the steely
gaze like he had like just a fucking he fit
the physical persona especially for that role. Then you have
Nicholas Cage, who fit in this movie fit the physical
persona of a nerdy chemical uh gee yeah FBI, yeah yeah, yeah, scientist,
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chemical scientist geek.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Which is why you said about his uh his girlfriend
that was pregnant and everything, And I like his girlfriend
was hilarious because I'm sitting there watching it, going, there's
no way this nerd who's super smart, he's like he's nerdy,
but he's like, you know, he's not, He's not He's
not an ugly dude. He's not a guy that's like
Lewis Skolnick, you know, just just searching for any poon
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that will come his way. He's a decent looking dude.
He's an FBI agent, probably makes some coin. Decent looking guy.
And then his girlfriend is like just the dumbest fucking
bitch on the planet.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Whoa, she's so stupid?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Wow, how she offend you?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Sorry?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I thought may have been harsh, but she was like
just versus his character, she was so stupid, okay, Like
and then at one point he's like, she's the she
was the prom queen. I'm like, obviously because she's so dumb.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Well, there you go, ladies and gentlemen, there you go.
That's my hot take. She's acting, she's acting. Nailed it.
The Uh there's one actress in here that I always
kind of had it. I guess it's like, I guess
you got her crush. But a movie. You know I've
seen in a movie like oh that Claire four Lani
who was.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Sean Connery's daughter.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Oh yeah, yeah, Brandy in mal Rats. As soon as
she came on, sirs like, ohh it's Brandy Spennings. Yeah,
Brandy Spenning. I'm like, oh, I love her, She's awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
It was crazy because she was in Marats like and
and this is the first time I seen her, Like,
I know she was in some other things.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
But yeah, what was mam Rats like nineteen ninety two,
I think ninety four right around there. Yeah, I know,
this was her second. There's probably a whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
She was in right, small parts, but she was like
the main character of that kind of and then never
barely to be seen again.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
You know. Uh yeah, I hopefully mal Rats isn't a curse.
So she didn't get a lot of roles after mal Rats.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I mean, uh, what's his face? Jason Lee didn't do
much until but then he got My name is.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, mal Rats in nineteen ninety five. Then The Rock
and then oh yeah, then there's a short film, a
movie called The Last Time I Committed Suicide? Never heard
of it. And then the next big movie you'd recognize
the name of was mitcho Black. She was the lead
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with the watch that one Pit mystery Man. Yeah, anyway,
we're not the movie's not about her.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
She had her parts, brief part, but she was great Marats.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know what was Like, what do
I what else can I say about branding spending?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
There was? Yeah, I mean she had f five to
ten minute apart. Wasn't much. Yeh, go watch mar Rats
if you need more Claire Flornni.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I can't say it.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah interesting, but yeah I know Ed Harris like his
whole plan in the movie is still this extremely deadly
chemical uh, because he wants the government to pay out,
uh what he feels his fallen soldiers deserve, because they
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did a lot of maybe covert operations, so they're always like.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Right, they never acknowledge, Right, they died, died in a
line of fire, doing secret missions, and then we're never acknowledged,
like their families were told they some bullshit story about how.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
They didn't you know, didn't die.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
You know, courageously doing shit that no one else will
do type stuff, which I get it, and that's probably
true to an extent.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Would put anything past which.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
The garment, Yeah, some shoes a nugget of truth in there, Yeah, yeah,
it's And I just loved how he got a team
from a lot of people, like a lot of these
guys that he never met before, Like one or two
guys he you know, were his like in his unit
and everything else and believed in his cause. But then
he was trusting all these other guys to be this.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Some of the guys look like they're a little bit psycho.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Right, And I was like, oh, yeah, these guys don't
give a shit about your cause. They are definitely money
like in it for the money.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Guys wait for the money. And I think also the murder.
Possibly they really wanted to murder some people. That one dude,
that one white guy with the blond hair was like
party down the middle. He was like a little longer
than everybody else's hear him. And then the candy man.
The candy man, Uh yeah it was that actor was
a candy man. Uh. Those guys wanted to definitely set
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that bomb off in San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Tony Todd, Tony Todd came. Those guys seemed a little.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
A little too in sense, right, That mean they wanted
to cost some distraction.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That I'm happy with getting the money, but they definitely
want to kill people if they didn't. Yeah, But at
the same time, like that's it's it is one of
those things where you have to be committed. Obviously, Ed
Harris was not committed to killing people. He didn't want
people to die. He was threat right, he wanted to
He was bluffing because at one point, like you know,
obviously the government's going to send some people in, yes,
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and they just slaughtered them all.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, you know, he hated it and the plan seemed
really solid. The one thing that general was his name,
General Francis Hummel didn't factor in. It was Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Well, he didn't factor in jay or Mason.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Right, he didn't know there was a British secret service
guy who.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Was thirty years in a cage for thirty years. Yeah,
it isn't solitary, is it?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
In there for like some just bullshit reason.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
They said he found all the micro microfiche that uh.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Hoover had like on who killed JFK?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, he had all the the who killed JFK? Who
did this? Who did that?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Like he had all these all the tapes of Hoover hidden.
Then he wouldn't give him up and you know that's
why they just didn't put him on trout, just throw
him in a cell and forgot about him.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah. So in the opening we learned that uh, Nick
Cage is you know, specialist in the chemical warfare or
at least chemicals and disaloming disarming bombs because they had
that baby bombs. Like that whole scene was pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
That was really cool.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Uh. And that that's where we get that one what
do you call that? That well, that device we know
it's going to come back later. Where when the bomb
that was in that baby dom started going off? Uh,
every tiking about like take that thing and jabbed in
your heart and Nick, hey, I am not jabbing that
into my heart. And of course that's going to play
in late or in the bush Shadow Coorse Shadow, He's
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gonna have to do it. I loved I love the
scene we get. I know Nick Cage is like he's
a little bit wacky. Yeah, then in his home life
he's in that he's in the vinyl not CDs. Vinyl
sounds better now from what I've read a lot of
his dialogue he had lived that makes sense, and he
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really was getting very anti CDs, So he wanted his
character to like really be into vinyl because it paid.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Like there was no like plot advancement with that whole scene.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
No, but you know, knowing like knowing that the truth
and and I'm like, yeah, that's totally checks. It seems
like something Nick Cage would do based on everything I've
read about him. So I've never watched like ghost Rider.
You ever see ghost Rider? Yes, there's a scene because
he's like a motorcycle stunt guy. There's a scene where
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he gets back and he has a Martine glass full
of jelly beans. That was his idea too, like, well,
you know he doesn't drink, but this is indulgent, is
jelly beans, So uh, you know he's gonna just have
a Martini glass jelly beans. Again. I love the way
he thinks, so it's only he can come up with
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this ship.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I never watched The Unbearable whatever, the.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
The Unbearable the massive Weight of the Unbearable Talent.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Or yeah whatever it is, that one with that other
guy Pedro Pascal Pedro. H. But they're going, like I've
seen the clip a million times of him, like walking
through like the the Hall of Nightmares that is Nicholas
Cage's movie here, and they.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Pull a elegant drink of pearls.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
But I think would have been better if it had
been just a Beatles white album on vinyl. That would
be way more abstract that like the people who watched
The Rock would have known, right.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I did love this scene, like we're we're cutting back
and forth and stuff happening, but they got to call
Nicholas Cage because he's like their best agent when it
comes to them these kind of this chemical warfare. But
he's in the middle of like boning his wife, oh yeah,
and still has to answer his phone. But he goes
like this can't be happening. Like I probably enjoyed that
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hit movement there. He's just like that's when you realize
like yep, yep, Nicholas Cage is in this movie because
that was such weird acting that I love it. I
mean I laughed out loud. I think something my wife
because like it's just Nick Cage being Nick Cage and
it's obviously yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Two, it's one of these movies like the wife is
the girlfriend's right, who cares if they know you're home?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Well, there, they know I'm here. It's the FBI, like,
well who gives this ship? Like he's like you gotta
be ready like so many minutes I'm like and she
got off.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I'm like, oh no, yeah, make it twelve, Yeah, you
gotta be ready downstairs.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Make it twelve or I'm like, I've been hold back.
I can finish quick if I need to, let's go.
They got him about you, but like if he's already
in the throes of it, yeah, I'm not start Like
I'm like, oh, I just put it away. Like well,
I'm like, I'm already halfway there. Listen, I'm already halfway there. Yeah.
Oh yeah, I'm not stopping. No, thank you. They can wait.
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The world can wait. Yeah, you can wait, like one
more minute.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, literally one more minute. It doesn't and I mean
it doesn't take me ten minutes. If I would have
picked up the phone they said be downstairs in nine minutes,
that's not different than ten.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I can still do it. I got to clean up,
sir Sex.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I mean, would you rather be finish or you want
me downstairs with a hard piece? I'm just saying, right, yeah,
why doesn't he And he doesn't carry a gun either, apparently.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
In like because he is hard piece, he has a
piece he never got to finish, so he's walking around
with a weapon. He doesn't need his gun.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Like, what's that one point where he's he's talking to
Mason and as they're on the rock invading and he's like,
He's like, why.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Are you laughing?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
He's like, well, it beats my regular day, way more
interesting than my regular day beating off gang rapes in
the shower. I'm like, what the fuck. He's like, what
you say, It's like, it's not as bad anymore. And
I'm like, I from the way, like I must be
losing my charm or sex appeal put in my head.
I'm like, dude, from the way this guy behaves in
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the movie after the first one where people try to
rape him, like and he'd like just possibly kills all
of them.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
He'd have to worry about that anyone. He's a bad motherfucker.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
John Conry, Yeah, let's see, what do you think he
was clocking? Uh, not clogging? And what do you think
his age is supposed to be in this seventy five?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Like, yeah, if he was if he was to be
in prison for thirty years, well probably sixty, he'd probably
think in in his thirties probably when he got caught,
probably mid sixties.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I think in this movie he was mid sixties.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I think that's what they'd want you to think. Okay, okay,
because I think he was probably way older, possibly but
well he just passed like not that long ago. True,
so he I mean I think he was a guy
that was white haired pretty early, I know, like me fortunate.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
So that was he passed in twenty twenty, So that
was thirty years ago, twenty five from passing.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Born nineteen thirty.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
There you go, so sixty five, so you do the
math boom.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
He was sixty five when he had.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
The rock nailed it. Wow, I look at you. Yeah, wow,
sixty He was only sixty, but he looked older.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Well, especially when they once he was cleaned up, he
looked pretty good.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, he looks sharp.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Once but they had him in the cell like like
long scraggly hair and looking like shit. Like he definitely
looked like, oh what's this guy like mid seventies?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Uh, because he's the only guy to ever escape Alcatraz. Yeah,
and they had locked him up. So when they need
to because the Ed Harris they take over Alcatraz is
their base eighty one hostages from Taurus, they need to
have a plan because they obviously don't want to pay
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any money.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Which cracks me up because it's one of those things
where Ed Harris isn't asking for an unreasonable amount of
money he wants, like one hundred and ten million.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
He wants eighty three million going to each of them
a slush fund right where the government keeps money for
just said operations.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, so eighty three of those millions are supposed one
million each is supposed to go to the eighty three
families of these soldiers that died and were ship on
by the government after they died doing these covert ops.
And the rest was going to go to him and
his team. They're all going to get a million each.
That's not that for one hundred ten million or like
whatever was around that versus the threat of losing all
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of San Francisco, like millions of lives. And they're like
questioning that that's an easy check, Like that's not a
big check to right for Like, Okay, we can either
test this on the O and go in and with
the military with some guys and think we can get
them out, or we just pay him one hundred and
ten million and it goes away.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
The chemical he has his bombs.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Extremely bad, Like if it explodes, you could.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Take out what sixty to seven.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
One of those like little pearls or whatever on those
bombs could take out sixty or seventy thousand people, and
they're asked, yeah, they're estimating, estimating millions of people, we're
gonna die versus one hundred and ten million where And
we don't do anything because think about how many million
did they spend on all of the mobilizing all the people,
when all the things, this could have been over in
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a fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
One hundred and ten million. That sounds reasonable, okay, right, yeah,
I spent a couple of million, definitely sending the f
eighteens into right, dropping that palm at the end. Yeah,
and not drop bombs, uh, because it was like five of.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Them, because I mean they had what eighty and they
had eighty some hostages or something like that, eighty one yeah,
and uh yeah, So they save eighty one people, saved
millions of people in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
One hundred and ten million.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Not a bad Nope, Nope, we're not ready to give
that up.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
We don't negotiate with Terris because you know what we had, Nicholas,
We had Nicholas fucking Cage and now Sean Connery like
what a pair like that? They make him seem like
a straight up badass out of them, right, Gate.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I was gonna say, the whole introductory scene is great,
like where they're pulling Sean Connery out of them jail,
and then I laughed because it's like, oh, which one.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I'm pretty sure this one was first? So the what was?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
What was one of the first movies we watched Moondog
Saints where they get Billy Billy Connolly.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Same type of shit. I was laughing.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I was like, the same gray haired type shit. Billy
Connley is sitting there on a bird cage with all
the shackles in the world on him.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Sean Connery's and sixty five years old.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, you know, handcuffs, ankle cuffs, like chain's bells all
over them.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
They offer him like a full pardon. He helps out,
he wants to go to this hotel, good shower. Uh,
he gets a haircut, hairstylist comes in. Yeah. Uh now uh,
here's where I like talk about. Some is directed by
Michael Bay. Ye like bass plosions, right, Oh, that's exactly
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what I said to I was like, because at the
beginning I forgot.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I was like, oh shit, this is Jerry Bruckheimer and
Michael Bay. It was gonna there. Of course, there's gonna
be some big shit happening.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
But you know he does. You know, they show him
the pard and he signs it. And of course the
one fi at the head of the fire director of
this operation that put the hairs up. Yeah, because he
put him in there.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
He hates him.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
He tore it up, which is again used later. Yeah,
but so yeah, he goes and he gets his hairstyle.
But when he's in the shower, he starts pulling on
this rope right where what the fuck is this rope?
You know, Rachel sitting going like where what what shower utensil?
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Is this thing there with a rope? Because he's real
because he pulled like thirty or forty feet rope out
of this thing right, like an insane amount of rope.
I don't know what it was supposed to be. At
first of that, all I was like is that you
can have like your soap on a rope, right, But
I'm like, yeah, there's no soap on it. It was
the most pointless, like ship we need to figure out.
It was like they wrote themselves in the corner and
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needed to figure out a way out. Let's just put
a rope dispenser in the ships just a rope dispenser, Like,
what do you do with it? This is like, you know,
tying up people Like if you're into like bondage, they
were in the this, so I was like, if you're
in a bondage, we got a rope dispenser, you're going it.
But this is literally what it was.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Oh yeah he is, Yeah, he's he's in the shower
like peeking out, like singing the song, making a loud
noise so they don't suspect anything while.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
He's he's singing off keys.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
He has singing on key.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
And then he gets on the phone and orders a
bunch of food from room service, and he's but he's
also like looking around and then he's like, right in
front of him is this thing with a.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Little rope poking out? And he just starts, oh shit,
pulling on pulling on it. Yeah, unbelievable. Yeah, unbelievable, which
plays in but I would, all right. So anyway, when
he's getting his haircut, he has all this rope. How
do you get out of the shower? Oh yeah, where
all the rope go? Yeah, But when he's sitting there
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and underneath the barber cape on the patio, he's tied
the rope around his hand and he's looping it and
just talking. He's looping around. All the other FBI agents
are eating the room service and they're like, I know
it's food. Show up.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Like the worst FBI agents ever.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I was laughing.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I was like, one isn't like they were like, whenever
he requested this sweet, they're like, clear the floor, get
him the sweet.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Whatever whatever we have to do in this hotel. So
somebody's wheeling up right the food.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You they should have been like, who ordered this ship?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, no, there could be uh yeah, no, they're just
they just like picking out.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
It was so good. I was sitting there laughing. I
was like, yeah, these are the worst fbis. They're like
all distracted by food. No one has a second thought
about why lobster ended up in their room.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Right, I mean now, I mean free lobster.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Right, that's exactly what the one guy said, free lobster man.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Don't you ever stop eating free lobster dude.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
But he has his whole rope thing set up, and
then he.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
The agent that yeah that hates him. Yeah, he said
he because we had it looped. He looped it and
tied it to his arm and then threw him over
the balcony. Now also like that instantly? Would I mean
it was not a very big rope. Oh yeah, it's
like clothesline. Yeah, I think shower clothesline.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yeah, first we'll probably dislocate his shower.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Do they have clotheslines and showers? I don't know in La?
Maybe maybe in La the people people demand rope in
my shower. I'm going green this bitch. I'm driving my clothes.
How I wipe my ass just a piece of rope.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
It's like floss flossy loss in maybe you pull, you
pull a bit out, you floss until you're clean, and
then you can like tear it off and throw it
away and then there's a bit ready to go for
the next person.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I don't know what the rope is for. Didn't card
you might know what.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
The ropes for.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, he did know what the rope was for.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I can't believe that if you know, you're just a boy.
But I cut that part out a good joke, keep
it going. But he threw him over there with just
it tied around his wrists. I'm like, okay, so his
shoulder she definitly dislocated, right.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You mean the guy that womact the guy that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
And then I'm like trying to like he's hanging here
just by his wrist, the rope side of his wrist,
and they start yanking up. I'm like, at what point
if you're if your shoulders dislocated and someone's pulling you
up right?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Uh, I'm like, I don't think that's possible.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
We were sitting there, I was laud again. It was
funny because my wife works in medical field, not in
that type, but but she's has some knowledge of like
the medical stuff. And because he gets up and he's
like the guy's like grabbing his arm to pull him
over the railing and he's like, he's like, oh, you're
gonna pull my arm out of sock. And she's like,
you're kidding me, right, Like that arm is out of socket,
(24:53):
tendons are torn, like there's only skin holding that arm
on at this point.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Like that's like at what point where like you could
almost just tear it off, right?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
That's She's like, it's like there's only skin holding that
arm up.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Does he like he fell thirty feet? Now there was
like four or five FBI eight yeah, oh yeah, but
this little trick. Uh. They all all their attention was
on that so Mason could escape. Yeah, when it only
would take two or three to pull them up, maybe
the other aj could like chase after Well they couldn't
hold guns that butter on their fingers from the ass plan.
(25:28):
The true true spice stout here. He just knew.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I did love his car. Like the character of Mason
was great.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
It was cool. He was cool as shit.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
He was a badass. So you think that's a little
far fetched. When they the chase through San Francisco, I
was like they knew.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Like this is their only big like blow up scene, right,
like they could explode some ship and they went for it.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
They all he he hijackson, humpna hijackson.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
He takes a Hummer from like Valet Valet.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, yeah, hummer. And that was like that was ninety five.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
That like the height of Hummer.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I was like H two was very.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
New at that point, like and and because you could
tell because that was like that was like a first
generation H two like for the public because it was big, armored.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Badass because he was running through everything.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Oh yeah, Like I was laughing.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I was like, is he's hitting stuff on purpose because
he knows he can.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah. Yeah, but when when the agent, I thought, then
agent said that he's hitting things he knows it'll.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
But again I can handle that.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Uh. What I thought was funny like when he derailed
the college car. Is he coming down the hill and
starts sliding. Uh, it hits this Ford f one fifty
that immediately immediately explodes huge.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, it blows like blows the trolley car like twenty
feet in the air.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
You know. And I've seen videos where cars on ice
one another car hits like a Ford f one fifty
and it doesn't blow up.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Charlie Carr hits it, and then it's.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Like it's like like if you hit the back of
a pinto the jokes in those days from that one
movie Top Secret. Uh, but it was crazy the first well,
first he hit that was that before after that he
hit that car into the telephone pole and it immediately
blew up. Yeah. Because I listen, I'm certain to think
like everything, say, if you if you get an accident
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in San Francisco, is it just blowing up?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
If Michael Bay is in an accident, is there just
immediately flames beca. I did laugh that part too, because
I mean, one, yeah, that I was like, holy shit, Yeah,
Michael Bay forgot forgot about that for a second, and
and he so he you know, Mason grabs the hummer
and then all of a sudden, you know, good speed
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grabs the what the Ferrari or whatever and just chase
them down through the streets of San Francisco and Ferrari.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Well, let's go back to.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
The count. So they wanted one hundred and ten million, right,
the damage he just did in San.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Francisco was what five to ten.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
So again by the end of the submission, it cost
one hundred and ten Oh yeah, a million. I'm pretty
I'm positive. Yeah, it's a fucking push. This movie's a push.
The whole escape for Mason was just to say hi
to his daughter. Oh yeah. And then Nicholas Cage is
still like, you know, realized like, oh, I'm about to
be a father. I kind of understand, you know, so
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he kind of like helps Mason save face in front
of his dog. Right, he's trying to go ooh, he's
working with us because he's a good guy. Because that
was that was like.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
The first time he actually really kind of met her, right,
like yeah, because he was in jail for thirty years
and she was probably about thirty.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Well she would have to be because yeah, because but
it was weird, the escape.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It was funny how she just immediately recognized it. She
dealy was in her twenties, no, because that was it
was they made light or not didn't make light. But
they said basically her mom told her the story about
how she like this dude knocked her up. But like
the next day then the police all rushed in and
pulled him out. She was thirty, so she was pretty
much exactly thirty.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, and so ten million dollars plus damage just so
he could say hi to his daughter. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
But like I said, it was what was funny because
they immediately recognized him, Like, well, your mom had pictures
of you.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, from thirty fucking years ago. Right, She's like telling
she brought a friend to right, just it's cool. It's
cools her dad. The fuck that's even dumber than we
talk about it, I said, don't.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I was laughing because I looked at Rachel was like, man,
I was looking forward to this movie. Not that I
didn't enjoy the entire fucking movie, I said, but I
was looking forward to it because it was I remember
being so good, and I was like, man, there's just
some stuff I overlooked first watching it.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Right, Like, yeah, I'm with you, like you forget, Like
when you first see something like that, you don't think
deeply all right, You're just you're in the moment, enjoying it. Yeah,
but uh.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Uh they're still like, Okay, no, we still got this mission.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah. But I mean, like if I'd be like, you
know what you're you're fucking going right back in the
damage you just did to San Francisco. I know that alone,
you gotta go back in yep. But now it's still
there's only one guy that knows the in how to
get into Alcatraz because he got out Alcatraz, and there's
(30:43):
only one guy that could disarm, which I disagree with.
Oh yeah, anybody could have probably just armed the bombs.
They just need to know, like to have respect for
these little pearls, not drop them. Like he wasn't doing
anything that any of the other soldiers, the Navy Seals
could have done. Well, unfortunately didn't make it right. Oh yeah,
(31:06):
well we should talk about the Navy Seals. After we
take a quick break, sure to refresh appeers. We'll be
right back.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
The fucking giant bodybuilder is going to be the nerd
that like, no chemical weapons I am. I am the
foremost chemical weapons in the Hey, we're back if you
missed Ryan's oppression.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
So at one time they were kicking around the idea
of Arnold Schwarzenegger being good speed. Yeah he was offered.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
They kind of shot it down, but he Schwarzenegger turned
it down because he's a smart actor.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, that was that would be not the part for him.
Like it's just downt a bit awful, because Nick Gates
really really worked right. It was a good counterbalance to
Sean Connery being like serious, right and skilled.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
You can't have you can't have the more bad as
stronger looking dude playing the nerd, like he would have
made Mason look bad. You know, he would have been like, oh,
Mason's gonna leave the charge whenever. This giant fucker is
going to be going to be the weakling.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
So there's a scene which, uh, well the Navy seals
come in and they're gonna take Mason and h Nick
Cage good speed, and you know, Nicholas Cage was saying like, man,
I feel like I look like a toddler in my
wet suit and every there compared to the Navy Seals
(32:34):
and Michael bays like it's intentional. He wanted him to
look a little bit like out of his element and
not even capable, so everything was kind of a little
ill fitting and making him look like a chucklehead.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Well, I love that one part where they're getting ready,
like the seals are getting ready to go into the
water and stuff, and they're like what are they saying,
like I forget like ready or whatever. Yeah, and he's
like choking on it, like already has his Yeah, it
has this you know, respirator or whatever in his mouth,
like right.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
It was a great scene. I loved, Whether intentional or not,
I loved it. But they're gonna stand on the Navy
Seals in because Sean Connery knows like an entry point,
which was his exit point, I'm assuming, but they do
have some rash ship. They have all those underwater scooters. Yeah,
I definitely want to try. Uh. They seem badass that
this is where we get Michael Bean uh from Terminator Uh.
(33:29):
And some of the guys that were playing seals were seals.
We're actual seals. Obviously, all the ones that weren't actors
that you would recognize those guys, the ones that probably
look like true badasses. I'm like, so the actors, but yeah,
so I was like that's cool. But it's like one
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of those scenes like wow, when they get in there
and they doing their Navy seal ship really well. But
they come up into the bathroom where they have like
motion sensors and this guy has this little bubble thing.
I don't know why that was supposed to supposed to
be like they try to do something with our laser
motion textures, this will go up and he couldn't explain
(34:14):
it right. It's like, no, this is a device. Because
we need the seals to be detected. We have this
big scene build up, so we got him a guffin
to explain away, like you this little device.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
My favorite part was he was like it's so new
that nobody knows about it, and blah blah blah blah blah.
I' know if it Rachel's like, obviously someone knows about it,
because he didn't make it like somebody else knows about this.
But he couldn't even explain what it does.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
It's something about like oh, if they try to direct
its motion sensor, this will know.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
It just looked like a light bulb filament like dangling
in there.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
But we knew that. Well, they're gonna probably set that off. Yeah,
that's obviously that's going to be a thing. But yeah,
they all know. The Marines rush down. All the seals
are like in the toilet, which wasn't Actually that bathroom
is not in Alcatraz. Okay, they don't have a bathroom.
Looks like that. So the Marines had the higher ground
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and all the seals are in the bathroom, and and
but Michael beams like, you know, we can't stand down.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
I cannot give that order to stand down. We cannot
do this.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, And then Ed Harris is like, you know, trying
to like no, hey, you know, stand down, you're all
gonna die. And then there's that one. There's a couple
of guys like, let's waste them. Oh yeah, So a
couple of people on the marine that he recruited. I
guess at this point they even referred to themselves like, hey,
we're doing this for money. Now, we're not Marines, we're mercenaries.
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He was like, let's fucking waste them.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
But then somebody nudges.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
A rock or something. Oh, yeah, the wall they were
staying on, it crumbles as soon as the rock hits
the thing, like, oh you're switched to think as a
shot and yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, everybody opens up and none of the seals make.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
It as as uh and Harris screams, cease fire.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Nobody sees his fire. Nobody sees fire, and like come on,
you guys can hear him, right, No one ceases fire.
And I didn't know, like you know, the seals down
some of the shower stalls looked pretty hardy, right, like
you think you hide behind that for a little bit, right.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
That's that's the only thing about that scene that got
me was like, you mean, but that's what they're saying,
Like that's not really an Alcatraz so that could have
been built.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Right, but I mean it was. It was one of
those scenes where like obviously the guys I had to
high ground were just fishing a barrel type thing, but
none of them got shot, like right, not like definitely
no one that gun fire. No one took yeah, especially
like especially the guy that like some people were fired
up that they were just standing over the banister.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Like thed the one guy with a good speed and
Mason still down like in the seward area or whatever
and hurt everybody dying. That scene sucked because I get it,
but I would have thought his mission. Like I said,
I get I get what they were doing, because you
can't like listening to all your buddies just get blown away.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Right, Yeah, the one seal that was supposed to he
had to go up as soon as he did, but
you would have thought.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
That's one of those where you would have thought if
anybody was gonna at least take down one of those
other guys. Him popping back out of the sewer after
they thought everybody they didn't know he could have got
He should have got one, right, I think.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
He should have got one. The seals should have got
their seals two. Yeah. Yeah, that that seems brutal.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
It was brutal. Yeah yeah. And when they they finally stopped,
they stopped when they were all dead.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Like I'm telling you, the the guys that Ed Harris recruited,
some of them are a little unstable. Oh yeah, for sure,
especially like the the final two guys towards the end,
is like those are the those are the two they
made sure you knew what they were, the ones that
probably were causing most of them because they wanted to
give you that.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Like Ed Harris was like the antagon, but also he
still had his morals and he never he never wanted
anybody to die.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I feel like he still had a code, right, and
he was following. He was doing this for his fellow
He's falling soldiers that he he knew he bled with
and he knew that was wrong that this happened.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
He still followed a code.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
These other guys, yeah, seem a little. They're like one
thought of one million dollars, You're like, let's fucking go. Yeah,
we don't care how many people die. We're here for
the money. Yeah. Yeah, even but even up to the end,
like everybody, I think Ed Harris is the only one.
Like when Heven was, he was like, no, it's over.
He still was holding himself to a code. The rest
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of them are like, well, him is his right hand
like he was. He thought that he thought that his
right hand.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yes, he he stayed the course.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Right he thought.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
I mean I think he even thought that he would.
He was ready for Ed. He was going to follow
his lead no matter what if Ed har like if
the general would have set that rocket and balloon people
up he would have and okay with it. But when
the general said no, he said no. You know, he
was literally the best soldier that he had there.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
But yeah, so all the Neils, Neils some Neils, and
all the Seals maybe crack the ass beer there away
the killer it's a Neil. So I just leaves like
Mason and Nick Cage good speed, yea. And right away
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Mason's like, all right, I'm I'm out. He's out. You could.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I love this reasoning though, He's like what he said,
like thirty years ago, I said I wouldn't die on
this rock, and I'm not about to now.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I was like that was a great line, Like you know,
oh but okay, here's the thing. Here's what I want
to talk about the most about when they're on Alcatraz.
So when they were getting the Seals into this area,
they got in and the door was locked, Well you
know what's up.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
We can't get in.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
And he was looking at this like there's this contraption
where like there's flames right and then gears turning, and
this is like right out of something out of like
old school Star Trek where Kirk would have to go through.
It's right out that movie. With Tim the tool Man
Taylor a Galaxy Quest, the Galaxy Quest. He had to
(40:20):
memorize the pattern, and no can figure out, like what
what does this even do? Right? But he had like
you know, you know, roll and stop and then like
flames and gears. Oh and I love the fact that
what could this possibly do on Alchatraz?
Speaker 3 (40:36):
What is this contraption? My favorite part about.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
The whole scene was the fact that Alcatraze hasn't probably
had a working furnace in over a decade, like decades,
Like all of a sudden, they get in there and
there's gears and flames going I assume as a furnace,
because why else is there flames?
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Like, but he memorized the pattern. That's how I got
out the first time. Yeah, and he's like, hopefully they
haven't changed. In my head, I was like, did he
have to do it in reverse? Right? Because he was
coming the other way before.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
He gets through this flame throwing gear turning.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Even though you couldn't see through the whole thing, and
he pops the door open and he's like, welcome to
the rock Big Line, Big Line. And that's only the
beginning of like what the fuck? Yeah it is underneath
the Alcatraz because we get to a point where like,
oh shit, this is Indiana Jones temple do because they
(41:32):
got like a mine car. Oh yeah, they do that
chase on the mine car. I'm like, it's like what
the I said the same thing. I was like, why
is there are they mining coal on? I was looking
up on the internet, couldn't find a lot of answers
like is there a mind shaft in mine cars underneath Alcatraz?
Speaker 3 (41:50):
But I wasn't getting any proper answer and like they're campy.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Oh no, it's like I did. But he just had
to know, like did you did the writers base this
on fact or some liberties there? Yeah? Yeah, I need
to laugh about that.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
I was like, yeah, why are there over their cart
tracks and shit underneath? It's like in my head, I
was like, the closest I can get is like maybe longer.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I'm pretty sure the tracks Like, I'm like, you guys
just did the scene from Indiana Jones too?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, I mean yeah, because it was one of those
things where if it was like a laundry type situation,
that track was going down the entire time.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
They went down a good twenty thirty feet below. Yeah,
or more.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah till the tracks just you know, fell apart and
they weren't there anymore.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah. It was like I forgot how batshit crazy this
movie actually gets. Oh yeah, And I don't even know
if it needed that, Like, I know we needed some stunts, right, yeah,
but we already have the attention of like, hey, if
this chemical goes off, lots of people are fucked. But
now what we need is a mine shaft scene. Well
(42:57):
that ybody's on cars like a rollercoat.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
So you get to that scene and then uh uh
theyah that guy like well he gets on the one
cart or whatever. They get him onto the cart and
he's holding on and they shoot whatever, and the thing
falls into the water and I'm like, that's not gonna
it's like ten to fifteen feet. I've jumped off higher
cliffs than that. It survived, but yeah, he went. He
(43:21):
fell in the water and he's dead. They're looking down.
I don't know, he's dead. It looked like he broke
every body in his body, like he was fucked up.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Couldn't mind shaft the car on the way.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
I don't know. I just thought I was like that's ridiculous. Yeah,
But I was like, do I want to learn all
about Alcatraz. Maybe not, so I stopped my Google search.
But I think it's fascinating because even like some Mason
was always like dropping little history facts. Now did you
know a Civil War? And I'm like, oh, that's interesting.
(43:52):
So I was kind of like, I feel like I
want to look up, like what did this? Uh? What
did Alcatraz play? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (43:57):
What role did it play in the Civil War?
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah? I didn't even know that is that true? I
assumed it was bullshit. I look, I thought I came
across a couple of things talking about it, But now
I'm wondering, Wait, that was all.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
The way out in California.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
In my head, they weren't there at the Civil War yet.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
The fuck? I don't know, No, I'm not. I really
got to look up what he was talking about. Yeah,
I thought it was You're right, if you were out
there on Apetraz during the Civil War, you definitely weren't
in the battle. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
I mean in my head, I was like, I don't
know when was it Oregon Trails?
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Pretty early?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
I don't right, maybe there were some settlements in San France.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
I don't know. I'm even a history minor in college.
That's how much I know. Well, was it always meant
to be a prison? So did they start building that?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Well, he said it was a fort a fort in
the Civil War, And I'm like, I don't know what
kind of fighting there was in California and Civil War.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I just never learned about that. It says quick Google
here Alcatraz Island was a vital military fort during the
Civil War protecting San Francisco from Confederate raiders. Huh how
about that? Okay, yeah, I have to look that. That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, the more you know people what we're doing, We're
bringing you facts that you didn't know.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Well, he was also doing that.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Do you know your last name Spreed means this god spout.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah. So that was like Mace's little thing, like oh,
because he kept speaking different. He was in prison with
thirty years he was he was reading all kinds of books.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
And that was that was how that was their first
little bonding moment. Was he spoke Latin or something whatever.
Good Speed walked into that interrogation room and he's like.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Oh, you're educated. Yeah, it reminds me was there like
oh an educated man? Yeah, I hate you already. Oh
that Doc Holliday yeah, Doc Holliday, Johnny Ringo, mister Ringo
was an educated man. My dollar. Now, it's I'm sure
of it. I hate him. I hate him. He's no Huckleberry.
(46:10):
Oh we gotta watch that movie. Oh it's it's on
my two list. That didn't make it this time it will.
But like that, that's one.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Of those things I didn't mention earlier. Was that, Uh
that whole interrogation room scene cracked my ass off.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
I want to know how hard.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Like what was on the bottom of that chair that
he slammed it down on a quarter and then he
cut bulletproof glass?
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Oh right he uh yeah, back in the beginning, Uh,
some guy flipped the one guy. The one guy was
doing back up? Was it Forsyth, Yeah, he was doing
back up and he flipped him a quarter and like, yeah,
call someone who cares. Yeah, like yeah, that type of bullshit.
So he slammed his chair down on it, uh to
create it, and he was able. He used to kind
of like make a in the glass so I could
(46:54):
buster with you. That's what I saw the other fig
wool Mack. Yeah. But back on the island where after
we have him, uh, you know Disneyland ride uh, they
(47:15):
have to start taking out uh the rockets. The rockets.
I love the first one.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
The it was I was like, oh, we're back and
die hard because they take off that first rocket and
first he throws a knife and takes out the one.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Guy, which is a fucking badass.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
But they get you know, there's one other guy there
and they're shooting back and forth and they're behind this
old ass desk and Connery looks up and starts shooting
like the whatever AC unit above them, right, just starts
putting random bullets into an AC unit.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
It falls on and just smashes his That was great.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Oh and then when they're trying to disarm it, chitching.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
The leg's still twitching, and Nick's like, you've been around
a lot of damn bodies?
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Is that normal?
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Sometimes you get that.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Well, it's really distracted.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
I did love it. What do you want me to do?
Kill them again? Yeah? That was that was that. But
that one they decided they had like twenty one chips.
There's like a high amount and there's only like a
couple that was like must have been the balk of right.
Oh they were poor. They were in the morgue.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah, that out of which apparently the mortgage was still
cold for some reason, because they were opening up the
morg things and like whatever steam not steam but frost
or whatever was floated, fog was floating out with them
like they.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Were now like it's a tourist thing. They would only
have those certain now that's up even the tourists, because
that was instant hostages. So the tourists tourists. So I
couldn't I couldn't help but think this. Oh I had
some thoughts about the tourists. Well, first off, I don't think,
you know, I'd want to go into the cell diever
(48:56):
we went in any and then they locked them and
that's where they.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Eventually they were like now you're you're prisoners, right.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Uh. But there's like four or five to sell them,
Like all right, so that's one shitter. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Again in my head is like obviously the shitters aren't working, right,
they can't be.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Like why would the plumbing, right there had to be
like one or two areas where the plumbing was working
for the tourism. Yeah, not gonna sell it? Why yeah,
why would they? But people were it was like hours yeah,
so people were definitely filling them up. But now I
was starting thinking too, like what what if you like
had some chimney changas because you thought this tour is
(49:34):
only gonna be like an hour, right, and then now
you're trapping to sell four or five people and the
chimney channgas are like knocking at the back door.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
That's one hundred percent and you got to let them out.
Uh yeah, forty eight hours, you're gonna poop. Everybody's gonna poop.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Everyone's gonna poop. I mean, and if it doesn't the
plumbing doesn't work, Oh yeah, it's we're sitting there with
the ratro like yeah. As soon as they locked them in,
I was like.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Where are they gonna poop? Where they where they going
to to go? About where they go? Like there's that's
like all right, which one's the poop corner?
Speaker 1 (50:05):
But there was still so like probably the toilets in
there right the way did see it? So that was
the thing.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
I was like, that was like they were painting through
in the one time, and it's like I'm sure there
had to be a toilet in there, like if whenever
it was working, but whenever they're panting through, whether it
was a real cell or not, I don't know, because
I was like.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
I don't see it toilet. Yeah, everyone's got to peempoo
u forty. Even if you didn't have the chimney cheongers, Yeah,
you had like a light.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Breakfast still like unless because you.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
Gotta get everybody to face away. Well you squat and yeah,
let her rip yep. And then you're also like, how
am I gonna wipe this? Because like if you have
the chimney cheongers, you're like, it's everywhere I'm taking off
mine works up there. Well, when they were in the cell,
(50:56):
he was ripping off the bed sheet, you know, the
mattress cover. I guess I guess you can start doing that.
We're just going dog style and just wiping your ass
like a scoot and cross something and.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Put that mattress down here. I need to screwge cross that.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
That's what I would hope that if I was in
that situation, Like you know, you go on a long
car ride and like I'm good, my body's like all right,
we got on lockdown, bro. Then as soon as you
get to the hotel you check in and it's like, hey,
remember me, how we gotta go? Okay?
Speaker 3 (51:25):
I would know if I was in that situation.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
I'd be like, my body's like, we won't embarrass you.
We got this.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
I was really cool for eight hours, man, but it's time.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Haven'm forbid. If your drinking beer because there's no toil,
then you're pissing and this is running towards your cell
mates and you're like, God, damn it, stop like a beer. Man,
I can't help it. Turn around, don't look at me.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Turn around around, peeing on you. That's that's your options, Bud.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
I couldn't help just thinking about like that to me
was like that would be awful. Oh yeah, I know
there's already like chemical warfare potential going with that's there.
But I was like, they didn't know chemical potential warfare
happening is in this place.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
They knew they were hostages, but they didn't know what
the like the weapon was that they were being held for.
They just they just knew there was a couple of
crazy ass motherfuckers holding them hostage.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
And you know, there was a there was definitely a
couple of cells. It might have been cool, but there
was one or two. There's some guys blowing out the backside.
Oh yeah for sure.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Yeah see, now it.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Would have been interesting like, I would have liked to
know that story.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
He just cut back, Like what's the hostage is dealing with?
Somebody wrote if that was a real situation. Somebody wrote
a book about my time at Alcatraz, the forty eight
Hours of Hell.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
During the Rock I Love whatever.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
At one point, Mason's like, uh, walking, he's trying to
run distraction, so he's yeah, so he's seeking disarms and stuff,
and he's walking through like this the prisoner area and
they're like and I was like, They're like, help me, right,
help me. I was like in my head, I'm like,
wouldn't you guys just shut the fuck up because you're like, oh,
I don't want to draw attention to the good guy,
(53:09):
Like and how did they.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
Know unlocked to sell? So he could have?
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Just but where are they gonna go? Just away from
the pool, A way from the pool. I just want
to swich sells please? Right? Yeah, just so where am
I gonna go? Let me sit outside and stare at
the ocean? Right.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
The U like the hostages played such a not crucial
role this, like they were very pointless.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Like it only came into play later when uh, the
government was like.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
I guess they couldn't couldn't immediately.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Get a guy We're gonna kill him?
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Right? Yeah? Then also, well that's right, that's right there
there's hostages. How could I forget I was so concerned
about them pooping? Yeah? But but and yen.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
In the end, we circle back to Nicholas Cage being
a badass kidding like.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
Mason has his doubts.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
He keeps trying to run away, but keeps getting drawn
back into it, and that the line the last like
rocket scene, it was pretty bad ass, like the like
the last two, like the two guys that basically were like, yeah,
we're mercenaries like that, We're here for the money, motherfuckers.
One guy was pretty hilarious, like the whole do you
like the song Elton John Rocketman? Because that's you. You're
(54:31):
the rocket Man And this is such a Nicholas Cage
line because you're the rocket Man and like lips the
things he's because I was like, who doesn't realize they're
standing I don't like standing in front of like un
like guns that are unloaded. I mean I really but yeah,
but he was standing directly in front of a rocket
(54:53):
with no worries whatsoever. Yeah, he just hits it boom
shoots about the word gone done, that's what. And that
was the guy that he was like the biggest physical
threat because he was a big dude, like he's I
felt like he was a good six inches taller than
that crazy white boy that ended up being the last man.
Tony Todd.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
Oh, it was another guy, Tony Todd, the canny man.
I'm your candy man, the candy Man. Don't say it
three times in a row. He's not beatle Juice in
the movie. He was a much different versions. Like that
guy gets shot out with a rocket. The other guy's you.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Know, chasing him down, like chasing him down and everything.
I love the fact that Nicholas Cage at one point
gets balls enough to just hand to hand fight that guy. Yeah,
you know, I mean, but they get in that fight,
and but he had one of the string.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
Of pearls fell off and he grabbed it for bro Yeah,
and he just happened to have it. I think he
put in his pocket, which was just a terrible idea.
But in the fight with the crazy white dude, he
manages to shove it in his mouth and then Yeah,
(56:10):
punches his chin so it crushes it, and then of
course he also gets polluted. Yeah, because that time, even
whenever Little Miss came out, he gets it and that's good.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
Oh so yeah, I was like I love that at
the beginning there, like trying to express how like toxic
is They're like, as soon as it's broken, it's toxic
to one hundred feet away.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
I'm like, that's a long feet, Like.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
That's a long feet like for you to bust that
in because that's two hundred feet each direction, Like that's
fucking huge for it just to pop a little bit
and it's immediately toxic.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
To that area. What the fuck? Which brings us back
to then he has to pull the shot he had
like in his ankle, you know, calf pocket or whatever. Yeah. Uh,
and he has to jab himself in the heart, which
he said in beginning, fuck that, Yeah, and he does.
And then as I.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Watched him, like, I don't think that's where your heart
is saying the same thing, like is his heart and
his stomach? Is it like in this diaphragm And the
only thing we could come up with because like that
chest plate, like I don't unless you're John Travolta double
handed it in to do my throne's chest I don't
know if I could physically pop it.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
It's like only if you commit.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Maybe he went below that and went up in Yeah,
that's the maybe.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
That's the only thing we can It looked like he
was in the stomach. He was looked like he was
blow his rib cage. But he's a scientist, so he
knew he could go up and under. I think I
might be dead. I'd be, it'd be I don't think
I could take that. What was that needle? Like a
good four or five? But also yeah, it was it
(57:45):
was looking like, uh yeah in my in my head,
I probably would be until that I could feel the
first effects of it, and I'd be like, well, fuck it,
Like I mean, I'm dead either way. Probably if you
like try to fall on it. Yeah, oh yeah, you're right.
You have even cartlage get up under the breastplate. Yeah,
cartlage wouldn't be easy to get through bones. You're not
(58:06):
getting through see. I think I would suck it up, right,
that's what it's like.
Speaker 3 (58:11):
You're you're right.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
Without John Travolta straddling me and doing it for me,
you get a massage. I don't know, I would fuck
it up, and you know at least it only took like,
what thirty seconds to die.
Speaker 3 (58:25):
Yeah, but then I don't know that it's a band name, right,
thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
To thirty seconds to mars, that's Jared Leto's man, right, Uh,
that guy that died in the beginning, like when they
were like getting the chemicals out of the AMMO depot,
that looked pretty rough, like he oh yeah there, well.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
That's a in the beginning movie one did drop. Yeah guy,
they wanted the audience and they're like, oh, that's how
bad it is. Ship. But it was only like thirty seconds.
It's like he was bubbling. That's a long time. When
you see how that guy looked. Oh yeah, that's a
that's a for that guy. It felt like thirty minutes, right,
(59:03):
I was just death.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
It's like saying eight seconds on top of bowl, that's
not a big deal, right, when you're on top of
that bowl, eight seconds is probably a lifetime.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
Did you imagine? I just feel like your nuts never come.
They're not the same, right, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
I mean they have kids, that's true. I'm just saying
that looks like.
Speaker 1 (59:22):
A lot of battery.
Speaker 2 (59:23):
Oh yeah, it has to be. I mean I assume
they wear a cup. I mean I would, I would,
I'd tell him I.
Speaker 1 (59:32):
Didn't, but like a titanium cut protect his boys. Yes,
that has nothing to do with the movie. Nope, thirty seconds,
but guess what he does? It boomed.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
I was hoping, Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
I was hoping they did a full because I like,
it had been a long time since I watched.
Speaker 1 (59:53):
I was I was waiting.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
I was like, I forgot he didn't do a full
pulp fiction where he's running out. I was hoping he'd
run it with a flapping with their walks awakes up
and kept it in never way too long. He'd run
out with his flares with a needle flying.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Because so yeah, I think I said F eighteen's five
of them, and they were talking because his girlfriend's back
at h Q or fiance wife, and she's hearing the talk.
But the one guy's like, the the amount of orders
(01:00:28):
they're gonna drop, Uh, it'll be over before they even
realize what happened. Something like that, because they were going
to obliterate Alcatraz because only their best guess is like,
if we just nuked that ship out of it, not nukes,
we just out of it.
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Maybe maybe it'll burn it up.
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
And yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
They had a weapon they're working on that could they
could drop and it would burn it. It was all experimental,
but then the air Force couldn't pull it off. Job
air Force.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
What I loved about uh this too was he fired
like Ed Harris fires one at the deadline, but then
the last minute redirects it back out of the ocean.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
But at the same time, I went, that stuff so toxic.
He just blew it up. That's still out there. He
killed a lot of people, like he killed some marine
life and probably people when the way when the air took.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
It in, like right, even though it crashed in the
ocean there, I knows. And yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
They were they were like, well, this stuff is so
toxic that blah blah blah, it won't be whenever it
blew up, like you know, some have got in the air.
Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
People died. He killed people. He's a terrorist, yeah, domestic right, Yeah,
and when that hit that ocean. Yeah, No, it's something
is that one fisherman out there have the best day,
Like I just got this huge fish and then all
of a sudden everything's bubbling. I don't why. Yeah, he
(01:02:00):
killed some people. Yeah, fortunately they did save the day.
Yeah they oh but the so it was like five
h planes coming in and they called because Nicholas Cage
came run out with the needles stealing him because someone
talked about like you know, the signal was like, uh
(01:02:22):
you know green smoke.
Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Yeah, got puffed the green smoke whenever you disable everything.
Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
And he did.
Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
He came around. I was like, didn't look green to me.
Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
I think the flare the end of the flare did,
but the smoke was gray.
Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
But he came running out down to his knees off
the full apocalypse now right, yeah, oh yeah. And they
had like spotters uh across the bag who were doing
everyone job there it is.
Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
I think you think they would have saw.
Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Coming out of very last minute like uh, greens mouth
greens mouth smoke, like calling off with the one guy's
like the one guy's like ship, I just whoop.
Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
See.
Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
So four of the jets pull up. The one guy
drops a bomb like that's cool, just hit the other
side of the island, inside of the island, nobody, that's
not where the hostages are. Which that's what she cracked
me up, because like, oh you dropped them, Thank god,
you're a horrible shot. It was a pretty huge explosion, right, like, no,
nobody's dead.
Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Nobody, right, Yeah, I can see they were right in
front of the island. You think they were all going
to drop.
Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
And that one guy said the amount of orders are
about to drop. Yeah, but apparently not from this one guy. Right,
he was just fodder. But it works because and then
we can justify Yeah, where they asked worse Mason? Oh yeah,
the one guy is just so worried about Mason Womack. Yeah,
because I think he I think he's not saying about it.
(01:03:46):
I feel like the way he hates Mason. He had
sex with his mom.
Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Like he never They never really did say why hates
really so much?
Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Mason? What's that? Or maybe Walmack gloves right turned me down.
I hate him so much. Let him out, like, hey, man,
give us the give us the microfiche back and you're
on your way. Yeah, he's putting him in prison. Didn't
help him, tell him where he hit it?
Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Right, Well, that's the the end. They says, like he
knows as soon as they gave it up, I was
going to suicide. Oh right, yeah, he's like, because I knew,
I didn't say it. I didn't tell him because I
knew as soon as I give it up I would
I'd be dead because they would kill me and it
would be suicide Epstein style.
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Yep, pretty much. But yeah, so when they come on
the on, they're like, where's Mason, like disintegrated?
Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
I love four sizes, Like huh okay, like he didn't
give a ship, like no personal vandeta for him. He's okay,
I get it, Like this dude just saved.
Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Millions of people that could happen. It's like, ye better
they dropped playing dropped the bomb. Yeah, like he was there,
he was in the ability and that it hit you know,
it's pretty easy like explain away because Nick was like, yeah, man,
(01:05:18):
he tore up your part and and he's like yeah, yeah,
I know, I know. And he's like going, get out,
get out of here. But he gives he gives him
a note, yeah where to find the microfish?
Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Was it Saint Martin's Church or something like that? Right
front leg pew.
Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Legs And yeah, it was like was this setting up
part two or was it just like you know, I
think I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I think they just wanted to silly ending because because even.
Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Nick's wife was on into it, like what do you
get out of it? Is this like how he becomes
the guy from National Treasure. You know.
Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
If they kept good Speed as the name of Nick
Cage's character.
Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Oh a, yeah, it made a lot of sense because
it's like they found this thing and yeah, anyway, anyway,
that's our version of the Rock. I enjoyed the shit
out of it. Yeah it was, but you know what,
it's dumber than I remember. Right.
Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
That's I was like where it was doing the car
chase scene.
Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
I was like, I forgot how over the top this
movie was enjoyable, Yeah, but like, holy shit, oh fuck,
it's over the top. I like knowing that Nick Age
uh ad libbed most of his stuff and little details
like my character likes vinyl. It's kind of like okay,
(01:06:45):
sure buddy, which I love that. What's funny because I like,
I just bought Oh And another thing he did was
like I'm sure he picked up on it. He felt
like his character doesn't swear right. There was a couple
of it was him and someone else. I was laughing
in the middle of it because I think maybe it
was fourth Light character. There was an easy there was
a time where he should have said ship and he
didn't say shit, And I was like, I was like
(01:07:05):
double checking, Like I was watching on Hulu and I
was like, am I watching like the FX version or something,
because you feel like he like they bleep.
Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Yeah, it was like it should have been shipp and
he didn't say shit. And then there was Yeah, there's
another time where good Speed was supposed to easy f
bomb time and he didn't. And I was like, I
looked at Rachel. I was like, did they cut like
a couple swears because they were already in an R
and needed to cut back from an NC seventeen or something.
Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
No, He's like, his character doesn't swear nerd why nerd? Nerd?
Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
But I think he does walk a little bit in
the end.
Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
It might have been like at the end.
Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
I do remember that one guy that when they did
capture him briefly right Mason got him out, He's like
something about got you boy. So he's a big cases
laying in his cell, I got you boy. He just
keeps repeating it out. I'm like, that's probably where he
was ad libbing. Oh in my heads, You're like, what
is happening?
Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
I didn't even know like that he did add lib
At a bunch of stuff. But in my head I
was like, yeah, were they just rolling cameras while he
was just laying running his mouth?
Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
I could see that to his director yet, all right,
so cameras were rolling.
Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Just do Nick Cage stuff?
Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Yeah, because I'm going to gut you boy. Like three
or four times it was great. It was saying, great,
that wouldn't be awesome? Yeah, all right, so we're just
do Nick Cage stuff. We're filming.
Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
No, just do it?
Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
You mean you mean you mean Good Speed? No, no
Knick Cage stuff. If you were Nick Cage right here,
right now, what would Nick Cage do?
Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
I'm going to gut you boy.
Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
He just kept saying.
Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
He was laying on the cell. Yeah, why Mason the
whole time is figuring out how to unlocked, right.
Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
I love that they put Mason in the cell with
stuff in it, and they put Good Speed in the
cell with literally nothing, and the guy didn't escape. Well,
I guess they didn't know he escaped from Alcatraz.
Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
They didn't know. They didn't. He was like also supposed
to be British Special Forces. It's also the guy who
played James Bond, and his character was the British Secret
Service guy right, so yes, sure, sure, I sat in
(01:09:09):
his eyes. He's not a killow. How's a going? Sure?
Uh do you where do you read? Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
I cried bout an eight about a money. Yeah, I
loved it. It wasn't it was fun. It was a
lot of fun him goofy and over the top as
it was.
Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Was goofy over the top Michael Bay, which I read
it like like this is his favorite film that he made,
and there's so many shots like yeah, he does that
every fucking movie.
Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
That three sixties stand up where the camera.
Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Krins goes around. It makes it seem like the character's
like it's about to get serious and like ship he
didn't hear, but he does it in that bad Yeah,
it does it in every movie. But it's a lot
of fun. This is what I would classify as turn
your brain off. Oh yeah, very nineties actions. Just go
for the ride, don't think about any of the logic
(01:10:14):
behind it, especially what a trolley car hits a F
four and it explodes like it had some C four
in the back of it.
Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
I love that the trolley driver was like the two
minutes or the thirty seconds of comic relief in the
whole movie was.
Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
So pissed off. Charlie Car, trolley car.
Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
You could tell that that guy was the trolley guitar
driver two days away from retirement, right like my baby.
Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
To shit, speaking of a ship, What is the what
is your pick for next time? My next movie?
Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Not very many explosions, different kind of action. Oh no,
nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
I remember when I first heard about this movie.
Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
I didn't like it. I didn't want to watch it
because it was but when I watched it, I fucking
fell in love with it. It was a fight Club.
Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Yes, I didn't want to watch Fight Club when it came.
Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Out because all the girls thought Brad Pitt was so hot.
I was just like, fuck this pretty boy. Oh and
I watched it. Yeah, he plays the exact opposite of
that guy.
Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
And I fucking loved it. Yeah, the whole That one
song at the end of the movie by the Pixies,
I have learned that I learned it on guitars like that.
Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
It's just such a cool song.
Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
It is.
Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
There's a professional wrestler that came out of that song
for a while, which I immediately loved that guy too.
Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Oh yeah, okay, all right, that's a good pick.
Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
I haven't seen it for a while, and I remember
when it came out, absolutely loving it from like a
designer and filmmaker aspect. Uh Like there's a scene where
uh at Norton. Yeah, it's sitting in his home with
all his just the way like graphics come out and
point to stuff and yeah, talking.
Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
About a dovet.
Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
It's like you're wearing Google glass. Yeah. I just thought
a lot of cool movie. I haven't seen it, man,
it's kinda been five to ten years, so this is
gonna be a really fun watch. And maybe now I
know a little bit more about the movie, I'll be
able to pick out something. Oh yeah, yeah, it's yeah,
it's the same way for me.
Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Like like I said back in the day, I didn't
want to watch it, but it it made me enjoy
Brad Pitt. It made me fall in love with Ed Norton,
even though he's apparently the biggest pain in the fucking
dick to work with on set. Like I thought he
killed it. But maybe, hey, let's see, it's been a
while since I watched it too. Maybe it don't all change.
Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
But it's right.
Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
But I loved both all the metaf meatloaf fucking kills
like all these guys like it didn't Bob ed bitched it. Yeah,
like they all seemed like they killed it back in
the day.
Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
So let's see if Hell yeah, his name is Robert
Polsen and death you have a name. That's gonna be
a lot of fun. You had fun listening to this
episode in our take on the Michael Bay movie, let
us know what you think may have more Michael Bay
and who knows?
Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Swl Cinema at gmail dot com, Hell ya Instagram, swul Cinema.
Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
You want us to talk about a movie, let us know.
Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Give us five stars on that Apple? Do you think
get Apple? Spotify or Apple? Hit us on a five
star unless you don't like us and give your own
right now. Either way, we'd like to hear from you.
Sure it's okay if you send us an email saying
we suck, we'll read it on here and we will laugh. Yeah,
honesty is okay. We're here for it. We're here for it.
(01:13:31):
What do we say? Sorry? Until next time, keep lifting
those weights, bitches. There you go.