Ep 51 - Tombstone

Swole Cinema Episode 51 rides into town as Ryan and Mark draw down on one of the greatest Westerns of all time: Tombstone!

Starring Kurt Russell as Wyatt Earp and Val Kilmer as the legendary Doc Holliday, this 1993 classic is packed with mustache-twirling outlaws, standoff showdowns, and some of the most quotable lines in movie history.

We’re talking duels, duster jackets, and why "I'm your huckleberry" still hits hard. Saddle up for a deep dive into the gunslinging greatness of the O.K. Corral!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
We could, we could. We good? What's up everybody? It
swoll cinema And if you couldn't tell by Mark's little reference,
we're talking about Tombstone today. I was just my every
day really kidding every day, saying that it's number one
on my I want to be able to use it

(00:29):
in everyday conversation, right this, and rewatching like, yeah, we'll
just get right into it. Huh, I'm yeah, I'm right. Well, yeah,
do the whole introduction. I think a little bit. If not,
they know what they're getting. Uh yeah, but yeah, we
watching this movie. May what what what? We're kicking the
you know things. That's true. There's one thing I did

(00:53):
want to say. Congratulations to Willie that stole my ship.
That's right, I did. I'm hosting this up. I want
to give it. That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Willie from the UK. Uh just competed in a strong
man event. It looked like he kicks some ass.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah. I saw a metal on him, so he must
have done pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Oh yeah, so Willy, that's awesome. Keep at it, brother,
and congratulations.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah I saw his video. I don't know what the
overhead press was, but he picked I said he had
comment and I was like, dude, you picked the log
up like it was a toothpick. That was it was ridiculous.
He said, it didn't wagh much. We didn't say how much.
He said, yeah, yeah, congratulations man, that looked awesome, right,
See that's someone man.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
He also left a comment on Spotify, uh, which I
didn't know how to keep track of comments over there,
but okay.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
That he's he's.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Excited for this episode because Tombstone is one of his
favorite movies.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
So Willie, maybe well it's a good week for you, bro.
We'll butcher it. Maybe we'll do a good yet. I
don't know. Yeah, yeah, we watching it? Man, was you
get reminded of just how quotable this movie is and
how like I said, and like we kind of touched
on at the end of the last episode, just how
much Val Kilmer stole the show just crazy amount of fun,

(02:14):
fun scenes with him, Like and I here's the thing.
I think it was great that he wasn't the main
character because it just made his lines that more heavy
in that Yeah you know, I I okay, I didn't
look at that way.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I was looking at it when I watched it last
weekend that I love.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Uh, Kurt Russell. Oh, yeah, for sure. He's been in
some awesome movies.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
And he had he had well, he had one great
line of course in this movie compared to Val.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
But I as I was watching, I was thinking, you
know what, you know, this is Vow's movie.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, like everything that he's doing is so more interesting.
And anytime Kurt Russell was like flirting without one woman anything,
could you just get back to Doc Holliday, come on,
because he really made the movie.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
But now you're right if he was in it just enough,
so every time he was you were like fuck, yes,
right because and that's why it worked even better too,
because Kurt Russell is a fucking great actor and he
killed his role as White Arp, which made everything else,
you know, everything like instant. I say that, you know Ellen,
you know, good performance elevates another performance. Yeah, it was

(03:24):
because Kurt Russell is a fucking great actor. So he
was killing it as Wide Arp, the straight man kind
of to Doc Holliday's one liner here and there, like
it all just worked so well with all the guys,
I mean, Russell, Doc Holliday, we got Wade Garrett right
as I say, the cast, it was just an all
star cast gives Wade Garrett in Roadhouse, Roadhouse. What's his
real name, Sam Elliott, Sam Elliott.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
He's kind of mustache, hey mustache.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Bill Paxton. Yea. And he played a great like immature
boyish Morgan like it was this. There's the scene at
one point where he like he they someone gets shot
whatever and he goes screaming running out of the door
like a small child. Was this hilarious?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, I love like so wow her we know famous
uh loud dog.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Uh. But they roll in Tubstone.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
They want to start a new life, and the first
thing I'm gonna do is like, I guess, run a
whole gambling thing, what I mean, And they you know,
you know he used to be a law dog. But
he basically came over a pistol whip dad dude and
took his Pharaoh table whatever kind of game that is.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, well, I mean that was one of those things.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
And they're like, hey, we're setting up a legitimate business, guys.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah. What was one of the things with wide Earp
was his whole thing was he cleaned up Dodge City,
like one of the most notorious towns in the West,
and then he comes to Tombstone, which was you know
another booming mind kind of mind town where a lot
of craziness happened and cleaned that up too, like and yeah,
but I loved how he that that whole scene where
they get into town. Well back up a little bit.

(05:04):
The introduction, like rewatching this, the introduction to every character
that they did at the beginning was so fucking good.
Like the opening scene is the Cowboys, the notorious Cowboy
gang of the Old West, ride into a Mexican town
and just a guy coming out of his wedding and
just with I guess he was one of the federal

(05:24):
allies or whatever, like he wasn't. Mexican police just mowing
him down. Yeah, annihilated the wedding party guessing on right,
and and then sat around and eat their food, right,
and then as the like even the priest comes over,
boom dead. Like they set up so perfectly. How these
guys were.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Just shit terrible. Well in the in the bad Guy
side had great actors. We have Powers Booth as the
leader of the gang. Yeah, and Johnny Ringo.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Uh, which was oh he was in Terminator. I just
name just fell out of my head. I forget. Oh
he played Kyle Reese. Oh, Michael Betan. Okay, man, where
did that brain cell go? Oh, i know, into this
beer can. So yeah, there was a lot of stellar actors. Yeah,

(06:17):
oh yeah, and this movie was stacked ready to be
a hit. Yeah. And so you have that scene which
I always forget about, that opening scene where they established
the cowboys are just yeah, they're they're the ruthless outlaws
of the West. And the first time you see wide
Earp is they're on a training tombstone. The mayor whoever
approaches like, hey, how is this not a chance? Like

(06:38):
I'm retired like immediately, But everybody his reputation is like
he's a bad motherfucker, a great you know law man.
They want him to come, you know, and be their
sheriff because they're they're in the West where their town's
a shithole, you know, with all these cowboys and everything else.
But the first scene you see him, he's getting off
a train in in Tucson, and it's just the moral
compass where a guy's like beating a horse to get

(07:01):
off the train and he just walking, you know, he's
he's beating a horse for no reason, just get trying
to get it off. The train walks over grabs the
whatever rope or whatever he was beating a horse with,
smacks the guy in the face and just takes his horse,
like just like you just let the funk go of
that horse, you know, and just takes it. I don't
know whatever happened to the horse, but I know it
was just to establish like he is the moral compass

(07:23):
of this movie, per se. You know that he's you know,
animal abuse anything widerup is A is a lawman and
won't won't suffer your compass, right, That's what I love it.
But the introduction of him is great because you're looking
at I was like, oh, this guy is a he's
a law man. You know who he is, and he
is a badass in a good way. And then you

(07:45):
go right to the next scene is Doc Holliday doing
what Doc Holliday does with Ed Bailey drinking, playing cards,
playing cards, cheating, and that scene himself is again just
another fucking great introduction to Doc Holliday. He's at a
table and it just shows you how danger like one,
how he's great at cards and also just a dangerous dude. Yeah,

(08:10):
you know, like I love I love the fact that
he like, you know, the guy's pissed at him because
he's keeping you know, however, he's playing cards just straight
or not like whatever. He keeps beating his due at cards,
and he gets pissed and he's like he groos to
grab his gun, and everybody knows Doc Holliday's fast, so
he just immediately like pulls his guns out and it's
like he's like here, well, first he goes Bailey, we

(08:30):
cross you know, and the guy and again this the
whole slew of great lines and the guy reaches for
his gun and boom, he has both pistols out at
him right away, and you know he's a badass because
then he's like just spins the pistols around and sets
him back on the tables. Like there now he can
be friends again. And still Wan's up killing a guy
with a knife like after he comes after, like it's

(08:52):
like you're like, yeah, Doc Calladay is a dangerous, awesome dude. Immediately,
so all the main characters immediately are like perfect in
or sorry, that was a long introduction, but I was
just rewatching that going. It was even better than I
remember it, being like they're that introduction when you're looking
at it differently, like, man, they just set up every
character immediately you know what they are exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Again, I think that's why it helps make it like
a great Western. Yeah, Like you're invested into these characters
right away.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Number one, we know man obviously, Wyatt and Doc have
to take care of these cowboys. They are bad people.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, and you want to root like it really sets
up like who you want to root for and sucks
you right in.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah. I mean because they you're introduced to the bad
you know, right, his gang. Right, I'm still saying, like
the setup, You're like, fuck, yeah, yeah, they're good guys.
He's protecting an animal. Docs he is what he is.
He's wild card if you want to say it like that.
And the bad guys just killed a dude on his
wedding day and like presumably raped his wife as they
drank her into a church. Right, Just everything was like yep,

(09:58):
very very bad, very good wild card. Yeah. Yeah. Then
they get to Tombstone and again another another cameo from
someone who wasn't that famous at the time. But uh shit,
now I forget his name, No, no, no, Billy Day, Billy
Bob Thornton. Oh right, he was. He was running the

(10:19):
ferry table. They pissed a whip and took it over. Yeah,
he was the shithead Pharaoh operator like that. He walks over,
he's like, oh, you're sitting in my chair and then
just slaps him silly till he bleeds and takes his
and kicks him out like it was. It was so great, right,
I mean he well, no, that guy was an asshole.
Oh yeah, And I think even the bartender's like, yeah, right,

(10:42):
he's he's driving all the business away. Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I love why not being a law dog could be
a little bit on the bad side.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, oh yeah, he's a bad dude. Like I love
when he stands like he's like you think I'm scared, mistery,
You're damn right you are. Like he's like a guy
not wearing a gun versus a guy sitting in the
car our table being an asshole with a gun, and
he's like not afraid to just go tell him to
get the fuck out, Like, yeah, I would be scared too,
because I'm like, what's this guy gonna do. It reminds
me of a little quick scene in the Simpsons where

(11:13):
the yakuza is fighting the mob, like the Fat Tony
and Simpsons and they're like and like, comber, get inside,
and he's like, but Marge, that small guy hasn't done
anything yet. And I know, and he does, it's gonna
be amazing. I'm familiar with that. But that's what kind
of reminds me of like this guy just have a
gun and he's not afraid of him, Like he's gonna
do something crazy, right, And sure enough, Yeah, he just

(11:34):
slaps the shit out of him and kicks him out.
We say something like, you know, just stand there and bleed.
Oh yeah, you're gonna do that. Just one of a
couple of his great lines. Yeah you're gonna do something.
You're just gonna stand there and bleed. Fuck yeah exactly. Yeah,
And that's how they get a twenty five percent steak
in the Oriental yep. And after that the Oriental is

(11:56):
bumping the rest.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Of it, booming, docs there playing piano, know, like this
is like the place to be.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, I mean, well, and everybody knows who why it
orp is. So it's kind of like a like a
celebrity owning a restaurant or something like, well, yeah, let's
go there, right, I've been doing of his burger joints.
It's fucking amazing good for Gordon Ramsey. Yeah in Vegas
and Vegas, I went to Gordon Ramsey's like burger joint,
and you go, like, that's just the burger. It's a

(12:23):
really good fucking burger, not even not even not expensive.
So yeah, if you're if you're in Vegas and you're
just looking for like a solid burger, yeah, go to
Gordon Ramsey. Yeah. I'm getting paid for it. Yeah, you know,
I get ten percent from time you mentioned my name.
The small cinema get you Yeah, not really.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Well, you know, things are are going extremely well until
the cowboys roll into town. Yeah, and then that that's
what shit gets like, so we start getting like the
amazing lines, oh shit South real quick.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Like. And I've said, like I've thought about this like
a man, I know, like being an outlaw is one
part being a badass, one one part reputation, you know,
And I've always wondered if Ike Clanton like and I
don't know, like I'm I've seen some other things or
Ike Clanton wasn't quite the coward that they made him

(13:25):
out in this movie. He was still like pretty close.
But man, if you're if you're wanting to be a badass,
outlaw cowboy, are you okay with like, oh, the rest
of eternity, You're going to be known as like the
biggest yellow piece of shit that ever walked into West
as an outlawl like cause he just gets shit on
the entire.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
You know.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
I love when the cowboys come to the Pharaoh.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, and they would have gamble drank and they have this,
uh this little bit of a run in with Doc
Holliday and Johnny Ringo. Yeah, it's probably it's one of
the most memorable scenes in this movie.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Uh, and I love it. I like to break it down,
uh because we got some Latin. Oh yeah, I meant
to look up like what actually said to each other?
That's right.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
I got an email from Eric and he helped break
it down to tell us through it. But he Eric
sent an email and he said, hey, guys, first off,
Tombstone is an amazing movie.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
I'm not even a fan of westerns, but this movie
nails it. Totally. Agree. Yeah, Like I don't watch a
lot of westerns.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Tombstone unforgiven with Clintie Sweet you guys, the outlaw Josie Wales's.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Say, Cline's would have some solid spaghetti westerns. You want
to call him like, good, Bad, and Ugly is a
solid movie? Can you Last man Standing or whatever it's
called for Cleinias, What was that a that the movie
has been made? I looked it up. Then once that
movie's been remade, like after we did the Bruce Willis version,
like six or seven times, that movie has been made.
Huh Yeah, Okay, a lot of versions of that movie

(15:04):
out there.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
But he continues some cool day details about the shootout
and some history factoids about the story and characters involved.
Now he goes in a little bit about the Oka Crow.
Do you want to go with that? Yeah, we'll use
these for talking points. The okay and the ok crowd
actually stands for Old Kinderhook. Oddly, it's named after the

(15:26):
childhood hometown of President.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Martin Van Buren in New York. Oh, MVB. YEAHV you're
down with MVB. I didn't know that. Yeah, he agrees.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Val Kilmner owned this movie. Doc Holladay was a centerpiece character.
His name was John Holliday. He was a dentist and
got his education at the University of Pennsylvania. That's not
the one where it's the party school.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
No, that's penn basically the University of Pennsylvania's penn Oh okay,
that's the party school. So there you go. If you
want to party, there's one spens in Ivy League school.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Well, what's the one in up state Pennsylvania? Like literally
they're they're known for party school.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
I don't know. I'm sure it's not the penn State.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
No I got no, I thought it was the University
of Pennsylvania could be run well, I mean Doc was
a party and so maybe that's where he got off.
But Doc was diagnosed with tuberculosis, which drove him west.
A famous line he had in the movie was, ah,
I want to say this, Eric will come back to that.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
So let's get to the Latin.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
So, which is a great scene because they're going back
and forth. We know Johnny Ringo seems to be like
a badass, a gunslinger and definitely wants to.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Not be afraid of Doc Holliday. But he definitely is
oh yeah, you know, but he's the young he's the
young cup. He knows the the stories heard about Doc,
so he's definitely gonna go fuck with him. And see right,
he's the fastest outlaw. But Doc's like also known as
just a fast gun. Yeah, so uh what's it? Uh?

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Doc says in vino veritas, right, which is uh, with
wine comes truth. So I guess he's just whatever Ringo
said to him. I guess the response is like, I
tell the truth when I'm drunk, right, yeah, which I guess.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Well I'll do. Well. It wasn't that He's like, and
you must be Doc Holliday and he's like, that's the rumor,
even the accent. I love it.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
And then I let's see. And second was, man, I'm
not going to do the Latin Credett. You know, I
actually can't say the Latin, but I did like when
he said, was it Doc calla day? Uh in pace?
REQUI Scott, see he told you I didn't want to
do this.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Rest in peace. I think he was telling uh Johnny Ringo, like,
now you may rest in peace.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
So the back and forth was them feeling each other out. Sorry, Eric,
I can't read this Latin. I've already had a couple
of beers.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
So whatever.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
John Ringo does say uh Laddin, which transfers to UH
experiences the teacher of fools, I don't know, or oh
youth is a teacher of fools. So I think he
was trying to say, uh, young, guns coming for you,
bro right, because you're a fool now you're drunk, right.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
I mean the exchange before that was was so great
because you know, they both know each other's reputation, and
Doc sitting there he's like, hey, Kate, that's Johnny Ringo.
Should I hate him? You know? And he's like and
he's laughing and you know, and he's like he's like, yeah,
I think I hate him.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
It wasn't like when they started doing Latin. He's like, mmmm,
Johnny is an educated man.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
That's Latin dollin. I know, I hate him. Yeahthing like
mister Ringo is an educated man now.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
But it's such an awesome scene where they go back
and forth, uh, and nobody else knows what hell they're saying,
including the audience.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Like that's whenever like like sure Fred comes over or
Frank or whatever comes over, it's like, come on, guys,
we don't want any trouble in any language here. Uh.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Then Johnny uh pulls out the uh you know, pulls
his guns out and does like all the fancy tricks,
and Doctor stands there cool studying, right, and then everybody's like,
oh shit, what the fuck's gonna happen, Dak. He has
a shot cup and he starts twirling and repeating Johnny's

(19:52):
moves with the shot up. Everybody laughs, right, it's like,
but it's an amazing scene.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
I'm sorry, I butchered Latin, Like, who winn't it? Well,
that's what's great about the scene. The scene itself is
fucking awesome. For everybody else, it like it breaks like
if you're in that room at that time. For everybody else,
that like gets you to get that nervous laughter, like,
ah haha. He's he's you know, he's kind of diffusing
the situation. But not if you're Johnny Ringo, you're fucking pissed.

(20:20):
Like he's mocking you. Now, mock it. To everybody else,
it's a joke, but to you, you know, he's insulting you. Yep.
But nobody else wants to, Like even Curly Bill's like, nah,
I like he doesn't want to fight in the middle
of the saloon. Like but he's like you take that personally,
and you fucking know, like he just like he diffused
it to everybody else, but to you, he just like
he made funny a little bit. Yeah, yeah, no, it

(20:41):
was a great scene. I wish I could have done
better with the laugh. Well there's time Mark, you can
go back to school for all right. Yeah. Uh continues.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Also, Doc Holliday used an early double action cult revolver
in the famous shootout, which was a faster shooting pistol.
Dude to have an having to cock the hammer for
every shot, do not. Uh, it was faster because you
did not have to cock the hammer for every shot.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Okay, I just keep squeezing the trigger, right Yeah, anyway.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
All right, thanks for sending that in butchered your email.
He finishes by saying, keep lifting those weights, bitches, and
ps just released the Cigal episode.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
He wants to hear that so bad?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Do you want to hear the drunk Cigal episode? All right, well,
I'll be sending you a sticker for Butcher in your email.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Sticker. Oh yeah, but yeah like that? Yeah, that was,
I mean, that's that scene again, like with a couple
of great lines. Again by Doc Holiday, you have that
tension building. Uh. And for me, even though.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
I couldn't break down the scene properly because of Latin,
for me, it is that one where you just your
eyes are glued.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
To it.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
You know, you're not on your phone, you're not doing
anything else, You're just fixated because it's it's one of
those moments movie that is so extremely badass. And that's
when you know, like Doc Holliday is absolutely the fucking man.
And I can't wait to see when he pones Johnny
Wrango because I feel like, you know, it's common, right,

(22:27):
like Johnny did all that with his gun, Doc studied him,
mocked him.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
That feels I feel like that Doc was like young
when not really scared, right, Uh oh for sure, that's
I mean that was the great thing about Doc Holiday.
I mean everybody else said he was one of the best,
and he thought he was the best too, So you're
not going to scare the dude. Like he's not scared

(22:52):
of how fast you can draw a pistol. He's good,
no man like even and he's usually drunk. Oh yeah,
sure he's drunk.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
He has tuberculosis, as I referred to him, like he's
a lunger.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
None of that is stopping him. Well, I think that's
what imagine.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
If he hadn't if he wasn't a drunk, uh completely healthy,
I mean he would how badass would he be?

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Or was he bad ass because of all those issues.
Say that that could have been the thing that drove him,
was like I got this terminal disease that we can't cure.
So Miles will just fucking live live for the day.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Right, Like maybe he became a better gunslinger because of
always probably lack of fear, no fear.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Well, he's probably he's already dying. Yeah, right with TB
I guess, yeah, just killing his lungs and going out west.
The dry air, right, it is supposed to be healthier.
I mean the smoking. I don't know why what the
dry air does if you're a smoke.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
So he has the line that I didn't understand. I
forgot to include includes when I was reading Eric's email,
but everybody talks about it.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
We already referenced. But I'm your.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Huckleberry, right, he does it a couple of times. He
says I'm your huckleberry, and then he says, you're no huckleberry.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
I never think he ever said that. I thought it
was always I'm your huckleberry.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
I swear this one time where he said Johnny Ringo
at the you're no daisy, You're not.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, maybe I'm getting confused, but so and this makes
so much more sense.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
So eric in in in the In the email, he
said one of the famous lines was I'm your huckleberry,
which is believed that it could be a mistranslation of
I'm your huckle bearer meaning I'll carry your coffin at
your funeral, because huckles are the handles on coffins. See,
I didn't know that one back in the day when

(24:47):
I first saw the movie, but now knowing that it's
it's so much more badass.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
It's basically a threat like yeah, oh oh hey, you
want to be badass, I'm the guy who's going to
put you in a coffin. And I swear there's a
line where he said to somebody, you're no huckleberry, meaning
like you can't fucking take me maybe, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean that. That's that's one of the big lines.

(25:16):
One of my favorite lines is, uh, well, in that
scene where he's mocking him with the cup and everybody
he's like, he's sick. He's like, oh, this is Johnny Ringer.
He's like, oh, this must be Doc Holliday and he's like,
are you retired And he's like, I'm in my prime.
Oh yeah. It's this pale, sweaty, drunk. I'm in my
not me, I'm in my prime. At some point I'll

(25:39):
probably get that shirt, like, yeah, we should make that.
Oh te Public has about Yeah okay, And if you'd
like to buy a swoll Cinema shirt, go to Tea
Public and search swul Cinema.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, no, we have him on there. Unfortunately it's under
the Paramol Punchers. Whatever is the Public Good podcast?

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Back in day? Yeah, we might do a reunion tour.
All these UFO files get resisted, get released.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah that's right, but I put a link on their socials.
You can get a you know, regular tea with a
full color logo. You can get a black and white logo.
You get in a tank top if you don't like sleeves.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
What yeah, yeah that like that? Uh the scene after
like after that where they're you know after that, you
know Virgil, Oh there's a bad you know, they're all
bad people. Virgils joins the marshals. So they're all marshaling
up getting their badges and ship, which why it's fighting
profusely because and that's the thing, like the the fun

(26:42):
thing about like when you start looking into like wider
herbs past and everything else. It's like everybody remembers him
as the peacemaker, you know, the lawman, everything else. He
was kind of a dirty sun of a bitch, like
coming up, like Maddy was a whore? How do you
think he matter? He was kind of a he was
a pimp for a while. Like what there's this one
point where I goes calls him pimps And I don't

(27:04):
know if it was widely known that, but they were
kind of pimps at one point, Like Maddy was a
whore like his wife that was doing all the yeah,
hopped up on opium opium, Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, Like
that's where he mean? Why And this one the movie
like takes me out of it because I just want
to see Doc Holliday and and him being a badass.

(27:24):
Where why Ittt is flirting with the Joseph Josephine like
a troubadours just came into town to do a play
at this is the bird cage that was called because
like kim Stone's Haunted, is is it the bird Cage?
But of course Wyatt instantly is falling in love.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
She's flirting back, even the point where they're going like
a horseback ride together like, yeah, doesn't he make a
joke like yeah, I'm a saint.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Oh he's I've that's that's the move from the line
from earlier. Whenever he call, he goes, well, you know
that that lady that we could tell you're fucking in
love with, Like what if she walked in? He's like,
I'd ignore her. He's like, he walks away and he
ignores her. After he's like, oh shit, he's gonna remember
that because he knows he's walking in and he's like
turns away. He's like, why I'm wrong, You are an oak?

(28:19):
And then he sees like getting a horse is like yeah,
I'm an oak? Are right right? Right? When he chases
after her, Yeah, I mean, you know, in his defense
is really I mean, Josephe was just like fucking strung
out getting all lit up on opium. Oh Maddie, yeah, Maddie, no, no,
just I guess Josephe was right a good one. Here's

(28:40):
the actress. Yeah, oh yeah, like his wife was at
home like you and that they they'd a solid idea
of sharing, like she's just an addict and just out
of it. Yeah. But also yeah, like Wyatt was fucking
around with b Han's girl the entire time, you know
which I don't know how beat Haan got her, but whatever,
beat Hand b hann sure be han Oh had Like

(29:02):
I've seen that guy had no business being the sheriff.
I've seen a couple of things. I started watching, uh
before I decided to do Tombstone. I started watching the
documentary on Netflix. There is like a six part series.
It's like six hours. It's like an hour, like forty
five minutes to an hour an episode. But they painted
be Hand slightly better than he is in this movie.
Like in this movie, he's a pompous jackass, you know,

(29:25):
like looks like a guy who never show it.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Looks like yeah, oh yeah, he looks like up like,
but you're the sheriff. You might have to get why
are you so dressed in the nines? Yeah, so I
think they were, but get in a mix up here later.
Yeah you sure you want to get your fancy clothes
all dirty and bloody?

Speaker 1 (29:42):
So he was. They really took the took the that
that aspect of him far where I've seen, Like in
the in the documentary he's a little more gruff. But
I don't know, I don't know where, I don't know
where the truth lies. But but he was definitely you know,
chasing Josephine that girl, which I feel like they kind

(30:03):
of made they kind of made the connection, but not
as solidly as I think he was in real life,
you know, like because I've seen other things were like uh.
And there was a movie after this, not nearly as
good with Kevin Costner, just called Widerup. I think, yeah,
I imagine. It was also over three hours. It was
a fair chemic. Cassar loved in like super long movies,

(30:23):
but in that movie, like b Hand had a At
one point, you see Josephine is in the photo gallery
at in Tombstone, apparently like she had taken a nude
picture for be Han and he was out showing it
to people in why in the Widerup movie. So I
was like, if you put it all together, like yeah,
like you could see why she'd want to leave his ass,
like yeah, he Supposedly Tombstone was supposed to be three hours,

(30:45):
but they cut it down to two and I was like,
you know what, and basically to keep the pace. Okay,
I was like, it fucking worked, because before I watched
it again, I realized it was two hours. I was
like it was like a ninety minute banger, like right, yeah, nope,
two hours, but it doesn't seem like at all. If
it was three, I think be they wouldn't have done
as well. No, no, like yeah, I mean I think
the story would have been maybe slightly better told, but

(31:07):
at the expense of it being a fast paced good
movie it would have been, it wouldn't have been as enjoyable.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Right yeah, just like me trying to speak Latin. That
was not enjoyable. Be no, very toss. Why don't we
take a break, Yes, empty some beers and grab a
fresh one.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Sure, we'll be right back. And we're back all right
and relieved and better than ever. And now we can
get to the big scene, right, and.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
We can get to the big stuff, the big stuff.
I know we've been like all over place. That's how
we do it. I don't know why we can't be
more concise and highlights, man, but I guess because you
really want to talk about the parts of the movie
where he just you're cheering, not even cheer, you're just like, fuck, yeah,

(32:01):
that was awesome, Like when the cowboys rolling in the
town and they end up chooting Bill Paxton. Right, uh,
basically what everything they when they make Wyatt or put
a badge back on and he had, and that's when

(32:21):
you're like, oh.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Shit, this movie just got people are gonna fucking get
gonna get it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, the line you tell him how's coming and I'm
coming with it?

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Right, I'm like, it's best fucking line ever. I know.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I said it a whole bunch of times in my
life just with my friends. So they're like, oh, you
should definitely get this reference, right, you know, right, Oh yeah,
you're telling them I'm coming, or even the simple thing
like yo, we're going to that comic book convention this weekend. Yeah,
and you tell them I'm coming and let's go with me,
and then you hope they get it.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Right. Boy, if you don't get it, I'm not going
with you. I don't know what you have planned, dude.
But shit, yeah, yeah, you get Virgil get with the
big conscience and I love the mayor. The mayor cracks
me up in that. And why that would be the
line that they thought would have gotten Virgil back in
the day was uh, you guys are making a lot

(33:18):
of money in this town, you know. But because he's
trying to constantly trying to get him to be sheriffs
or whatever, and uh, he's you know, you guys make
a lot to do, Yeah, but don't worry about the
other folks in this town. You know, you just keep
making your money type type of speech. And I'm like,
he didn't say that to anybody else that's making money.
That's not just the irp's making money in this town.
Like I'm sure the owner of the Oriental is probably

(33:40):
making hand of effistens. The earth's got there. So it
cracked me up to like the Virgil girl gets the dog,
you know, walks outside, all the cowboys come riding through
it with the almost run over the kid and he saves,
and I get it, But I also don't you know,
like just the just the you're making money and you're
just saying f you the rest of this town. I'm
pretty sure everybody was saying few the rest of this

(34:01):
town for a while. Like I feel like cowboys were
eventually gonna do what they did to the Mexico City. Yeah,
the tombstone if they killed a cowboy, sure, yeah, yeah,
I mean that was and that was the next step.
Then you know, Virgil signs up. Then it gets the
others signed up and actually tries to bring law to tombstone,
and then the cowboys like I don't go around here, no,

(34:26):
or it was actually did did? Did? Curly Oh? Curly
Bill shot up? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Well yeah, first the one of the cowboys, Curly Bill,
because there's like an opium.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Right there. Maybe doing opium wasn't a big deal back then.
Oh I assume no, but I love it. Like the
it looked like literally like they found some old blankets
and like, hey, let's just set it up between these
two buildings and make it look like a literal opium tent. Yeah,
and have a Chinese guy in there. Like it was
all the stereotypes right there. Man, it was great. Are
you saying it wasn't that way? I don't know. I

(35:00):
have no idea, but it was great. There's like made
me laugh to see in it where you know, Curly
Bill's trying to shoot the moon. I mean his aim
was good, he just didn't have the gun, right, yeah,
a different gun to hit the moon. Yeah. Well, I
mean just starts indiscriminately shooting around town and I did.

(35:20):
That was like that was pretty funny too, because like
b hand, you know the coward that be Hand was
portrayed as like, you know, there's or no who was it.
Someone came in. He was like, you know, Curly Bill's
out there shooting it, and uh the mayor said that,
and you know, and why it's like maybe you should
just let it go. I love that, Like, maybe should
just let the drunk fucking fire's guns. Everybody get the
way and you know, we'll figure it out tomorrow. And

(35:43):
Sheriff's like, no, no, or Marshall whatever whatever, Fred was,
Frank whatever his name was, whatever, No, no, I should
do something, you know, And Curly Bill like didn't have
any intention like what it looked like. He just you know,
he's fucking high ship like and he got close and
shot him right because he wanted him. They gotta take
your guns.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, and he gave the one did an upside down yeah,
shoot on him.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah. That was another another instance where be Hand sitting
there going like, this isn't a county matter, this is
a town matter. Like here the fucking sheriff. Yeah, bitch,
like they they did their so they did their best
just to make him look like a bitch. You know,
he was just the sheriff for status, right. Oh yeah,
he didn't want to do anything being the sheriff just status. Yeah, yeah,

(36:30):
he had that little bit of power. And what I mean,
he kind of was allot aligned with the cowboys a
little bit, you know. So, yeah, so they kill friend
and that was whenever it started the oh ship. You know, Wyatt,
being the law abiding guy he is, wasn't gonna let
him string up Curly Bill, even though everybody knew he
just shot the sheriff. But he also wouldn't let him

(36:54):
go back with you know, they let the cowboys happen.
Like he was fending off literally both sides of the people,
you know, and that was that was great. But yeah,
because he wouldn't let him go, that was it, Like
that was the final straw of Now now we're coming
after the IRPs because he didn't let let Curly Bill go.
And and I watched so the episodes of this documentary

(37:18):
I've gotten through, they kind of and and the other
other stuff I've seen with this is they kind of grazed. Actually, no,
that's after the Coral shootout. Never mind, I got a
lot of shit going on there. I'll just I'll talk
about that later. Yeah, we're all over the place. Yeah, sorry,
but They ends up leading to the Okay Coraw, the

(37:38):
big shootout, like the big event that everybody knows. Right,
you're gonna talk about it? No, I don't know. I've
seen you. I like you looking something up. What's going on? Man? Yeah,
I'm just like getting notes from uh just a case. Yeah, yeah,
the the Okay Corraw. I feel like I've just talked
like ninety percent of this and you're just like, no,
this is your movie. Go man, go I was.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
I was good until I bombed it trying to say
Latin man.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
I feel like I should just shut three off your game. Yeah,
totally wreck my game man. Now, yeah, the the ok
Crow is like the most famous gun shout gun shootout
and see now you got me doing it. The biggest
shootout in the Old West that they're like everybody knows
about and uh and everything. Now that like that's pretty

(38:25):
accurate for everything that I've ever seen. Was kind of like, yeah,
like Clanton, the guy shooting his mouth off that kind
of initiated it. Pretty much just ran up to Wider,
like ran up to him with the guns with his
hands up. Once shooting started, like just chicken shitting out
and everybody else, you know, his The rest of the
cowboys paid the price, you know his brother Billy, you

(38:47):
know still Wells. They all took it. But the scene,
like the way they portray it is just so good,
like the the idea that duc Holiday walked up and
winked it. H was a billy he winked at and
like winked at, and the like who played loll Mather
on right right another like another fun actor that you're like, hey,

(39:10):
nice cameo, like but he's in there and like his
face just drops like he's just because they had it,
and they had the night before or whenever they had
the the instance over the piano where he was like
trying to get him to play Camptown Races by Stephen
Foster and he's like, I'm sorry, this is Frederick fucking Chopin.
So they had that in like that the night before

(39:32):
and then I don't know why, but he winks at
him and his face just drops almost like he's hitting
on him or something like I don't know why he
was so taken aback by Doc winking at him like
or like I don't know, but that started like moom,
he pulls his gun and and the you know the
whole thing starts, and if you look at it. I

(39:53):
think I looked because I heard, I heard, I read,
I didn't hear it. Nobody was giving me an eye
account of it. But supposedly that whole the whole thing
in real life took like twenty seconds. I mean I
can imagine, yeah, like all that gunfire that happened like
twenty seconds and it's over. But I look back and
went back and looked it was like a minute forty.
Like it doesn't seem that long because it is so

(40:14):
fast paced, boom boom, so much shooting, but it's like
over a minute that takes into movie for something. In
real life that was twenty seconds. But yeah, like Man two,
you know, two rps get shot, all the all the
cowboys get shot except Ike. We're and one guy who
like as soon as they drew their like had their
came to the he like scurried out the back. Yeah.

(40:35):
And I'm like, I never read too much in who
that was whatever, but yeah, he scurried out the back.
Ike threw his hands up and ran away like a chicken. Shit. Uh,
and everybody else died, all the people that Ike assembled
for his big you know, and we're going to kill
the IRPs died because they followed Ike, who was portrayed

(40:55):
as like I said, like a like a yellow coward.
But it it just seemed so wrong that they made
him look like the old Prospector with that cowboy hat.
Yeah it was turned up in the front like Curly
Bill wore one, kind of like that, but it was
the brim was pulled up kind of the side where
it looked that kind of cool where I looked like
old Prospector. And this guy's like, this guy's an outlaw.

(41:16):
How he doesn't look like a bad ass? Yeah, I
don't know, but but yeah, that that was a great
shootout scene, Doc, you know, Doc, and Morgan killed his
first guy, like you know that that Wyatt tried to
tell him like, hey, it's not gonna be awesome, man,
you don't want to do this at the beginning, and
he's yeah, Virgil, he was a was a lawman before this,

(41:39):
so he was used to it. But yeah, like poor
poor Morgan baptized by fire and and okay, corral shootout, Uh,
Doc Holliday and why unscathed? Yep, yep, Oh he's out
there walking on water now. Yeah. But after that was
the was the funeral the okay coraw, he's as you're

(42:01):
a daisy if you do yeah, the one guys like
I got to drop on you now he pulled the
trigger and it clicked, and like he didn't have any
bullets but he had one an the other one. Yeah,
I got you now, holiday you ada if you do.
Yeah again, just great lines coming from Doc right, oh yeah,
I said he was he was coming. Apparently they say

(42:23):
it's accurate. Yeah, I don't know, like there is a
report old trying to look it at Old Western newspaper.
The report that's what Doc said, huh, which is even funnier,
like like we said, you have like if he actually
lived a life and said these things like what a
fucking bad had Yeah, yeah, And then I laughed because

(42:51):
like I didn't laugh, but I was like pay paid
attention because that's I think that was Stillwell or one
of the Stillwell brothers whatever that he shot and he
thinks he has the drop on Doc, but Doc shoots him,
but then Morgan shoots him and boom pegs him right
in the middle of the forehead, and then they cut
to like the funeral scene for the out for the Cowboys,

(43:12):
and I looked and they did put like if you
if you look close, you can see as whoa, that
guy's ah in in his casket where the glass topped casket.
As they're taking him down the street, there is like
a slightly lighter spot in the middle of his forehead.
Because I was like, how they oh, a little spackle

(43:33):
on there, some makeup on him? Yeah. I was like, good,
guess is that's a detail? You're good for you, like
you can easily look past that, not thinking like oh,
Morgan just like turned his head into a canoe as
they mentioned, like said at one point in the movie,
like yeah, and they fucking made a little dogs like
good for you.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
You got to go in a glass coffin. I forget,
somebody's got to do your makeup.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Right, Oh yeah you can't. I mean, the funeral is
one thing, but if you're gonna be paraded down the
middle of tunes, I guess traumatizing all your funeral goers. Yeah. Yeah,
But but that's where I think they kind of minimized
in this movie how big of a deal the trial
was after that, Like it kind of just goes like

(44:16):
like be hands like, oh, you're on arrest, and he's
like I'm not gonna let you arrest us today, be hand,
which was kind of the truth, like he was like, no,
go funck off, You're not taking us in right now,
like we've got two guys shot fuck off. But apparently
it was a way bigger deal, like the trial. It
didn't quite make it the trial, Like I guess it
didn't make it the trial, but it was kind of
a a trial to trial to go to trial type

(44:38):
thing that they basically said, hey, right, is there like
enough evidence to take it the trial type thing, which
apparently the lawyer for the IRPs knew like, hey, if
this goes a trial, like you're fucked, like you know,
and so he had to basically turn the pre trout
into a trial to try to get it thrown out
before it got that way. Like that was one of

(45:01):
those things where it was the newspapers everywhere where they
just kind of go, I mean, maybe that was one
of the things that was cut for time, because that's
not the interesting part. The trials are not.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I feel like I want to watch the documentary you watched. Yeah,
there's so many more details. I'm sitting here like you're like,
I feel like I'm doing all the talk like, yeah,
because you watch a documentary.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
With like a lot of interesting facts and I'm only
halfway through it. But I've watched that. I read a like,
I mean, it's I'm over here wondering, Like, you know,
I watched the movie like three days ago, but my
brain's like struggling to remember the details compared to all
the details you got. Well, I've got uh, Like I said,

(45:42):
I mean, I love history, I love the West, and
everything is that. So I've watched Tombstone on my favorite movies.
I've watched that Wide Up with Kevin Costner a couple
of times just because not good though, right, it's not great? Yeah,
it's too.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Is there any worth watching it? As a comparison? I liked,
I didn't hate it. Who's Doe Holiday?

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Of that one? Oh it's a it's a note like
I don't know who. I don't want to say that's
to nobody because I'm just not sure, but it's it
he doesn't do After you watch Falcomer do doc Holiday,
you know, you just hate seeing anybody else do it
because he was a faster talker, he was a taller,
slimmer guy. So I don't know who. I don't know

(46:20):
the actor of that one. But like I said, it
was it's not terrible. It was kind of worth the watch.
Dennis Quaid really yeah, I did not think it was
Dennis Quaid. Dennis quad Huh. I like Dennis Quaid, Gene
Hackman was Nicholas rp mhmm. The fuck is that? I
don't know? Uh, But yeah, like I watched it. It's

(46:41):
it's fun to like because they cover a little more.
It's longer movie, they cover a little more information. I
think they cover the trial a little more. Oh okay,
so there's some fun stuff there. But I also read
like a book where a guy like did a lot
of research about you know, The Wider and you know,
taking down the cowboys and everything. So I'm kind of
familiar with the subject, right.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
So it's like Kevin Casser's Wider six point seven out
of ten on IMDb and Tombstone.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Has seven point eight. Yeah. See, And that's the part
of it for me is like, oh, I'm the guy
you could listen to talk about this and people be like,
I don't ever want to fucking watch that movie because
this guy was just annoyingly talking about it, like he
just wouldn't shut up. About it. No, you have a
lot of great facts. I have nothing. Nothing. What about

(47:35):
fun facts about the movie? Oh we can get that
easily off IMDb and just regurgitate. But yeah, so they
got they got to the trial and and that's like, yeah,
after the trial, what that's whenever the the h the
cowboys aside, they're going after theirs and they just take
them down like it's one night and they they take

(47:57):
them down like they that's when they shoot Virgil. Ye,
take out Morgan. But that's the scene why Reverends earlier
where like Billy Paxson plays such a younger brother kid
type person. Because Virgil's shot, Like Virgil gets shot outside
and they're working on him trying to you know, get
the bullets, you know, get everything out of his arm
and fix him up, and Morgan goes screaming out like

(48:21):
what's going on? Why and just goes running out. But
next thing you see, he's just across the street playing pool.
What the fuck? You seem super upset literally five minutes
ago and now you're playing pool. I don't know, stupid,
stupid Morgan.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Oh you know they had that's where he got shot
there They put him on the pool table.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
To check him out.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
So we needed the pool table scene, right, they had
to get to that pool table.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
That and that scene cracks me up all the time
because how many times is there like a scene like
that where there's always a dog barking and why it's like,
can somebody get rid of that fucking dog? Like, and
that's all you're thinking too, because there's so much chaos,
but you're just there's just a random noise that's not
doing anything. It's like, goddamn dog barking. Right when you're
middle of trying to you know, your brother's been shot.

(49:11):
It's chaos. You will start to, uh, you'll pick up
on that one thing like right, yeah, we've all been
in that situation where you're like, fuck, this has so
much to deal with, and I can hear that fucking dog.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
The dog just won't shut up, or it's a kid crying.
There's always something they're trying to deal with something. That's
one thing you can You should be focusing on the
blood coming out, but you're like, holy shit, and that
shut up?

Speaker 1 (49:37):
How about this fucking dog? Because of course it's like
a bloodhound whatever, so it's not just a bar yeah,
just a howling Yeah, the Old West. Goddamn dogs. Why
did I just get a new one? Me? And I
almost scared. I got run up on by a German
shepherd the other day.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Oh yeah, ye have to really a good round of
disc off killing it but killing it in life. My
son and I were walking back to the car and
there was this woman with a German shepherd and this
dog wasn't off leash.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
It looks like she dropped a leash.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
And this dog was like every time she'd go to
getting me, like no, he'd back up. I was like,
here we go. We tried to, like, you know, creep down.
What was The dog took notice it was over.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Hey guys.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
They looked at us a couple few steps towards us,
and I said to the lady, hey man, we don't
want to get bit. I probably should have said it
more like, can you get your dog, we'll stop moving.
Get your But I just yell, we don't want to
get bit. And she she almost went into like a cocoon.
She panicked, almost like she was giving herself a hug,

(50:50):
and like froze because she she had zero control of
this dog. And I think her worst nightmare was happening
where there was people coming, so the dog ran because
she wasn't even trying to open her door, like hey,
get in buddy, He's like no, fuck off, so it
ran up on us. I just put my my disc
off backpack out and the dog stopped, looked at it,

(51:13):
dropped his ball. I'm like, good, he has a ball,
and they started sniffing my bag and I'm like, oh shit.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
He probably like frisbees. I fucking love those two. Can
you throwes?

Speaker 2 (51:27):
And my kids start walking away from me, which now
I'm like, oh, you probably shouldn't have just gave your
back to the dog, because then it went at him
and I was like fuck.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
So I picked up the ball.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
I'm like, hey, get your ball, buddy, and it immediately
stopped going out, and I swear when it was going
at my kid, I heard a ground uh. And as
soon as I said ball, I was like what and
I bounced it down towards her and it fucking went
at it went after the ball like it was.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Like, yes, this is what. So I know. The dog
was like, can you guys play with me? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:01):
But I always had, but she she gave up. She
had no control over the dog. The dog was the
one running the show. The dog was walking her, so.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
I was like, I feel like I was the alpha
in the situation.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
I'd probably take your dog home for you because you're
not doing a great job.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
This is my dog now.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
It was probably all her fears, And then we were
discussing that she didn't seem that control of it. What
if she was like a pet sitter or her parents
or some of their away, like, I take care of
your dog. I love your dog. It's awesome. Until she
brought it out to a park and the dogs like
a I've all listened to you.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
You weren't strong enough to contain me.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Anyway, that's my dog story. We didn't get bit. The
dog was adorable. It just really wanted to play ball.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
I guess. Yeah. Yeah, dogs love playing man.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Oh and I don't think you should walk away and
you'll put your back to a dog, a strange dog.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
That was a weird move by your kid. Yeah, I
think he.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Was panicking a little bit. I mean German shepherds kidding.
Oh yeah, I was bit by a German shepherd. My
head was in its mouth when I was a kid.
Oh god, it took me down. I had to go
to Hershey med because it pierced my skull. Jeez uh
So to this day, like, I don't like dogs necessarily, right,

(53:17):
but the kind they run up on you, right, I
don't care if it's a chihuahua. When dogs seem like
they have a poor training and they run up on you,
I kind of like get that, you know, that anxiety
and then try to hope that everything goes well. When
I worked for Airport Express, I had a clipboard. Sometimes
I had to smack dogs in the nose with the

(53:39):
clipboard because they would.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Run at me. Oh yeah, and then it could pop
in the nose. Then the owners were like, oh, it
wouldn't hurt you. I'm like, I don't fucking know. It's
running right at me. Right, Yeah, that's that's I mean,
that's all of them say. But if you guess what
people got bit by dogs who I can't believe he
did that like this.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
One though, I do like I do like German shepherds,
So it all worked out anyway, I am.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
It's nothing to do with tombstone in that story. Shut
that dog up. But I always have your dog in
a leash. Yeah, But that which that led to part
one of one of the best two part montages of
killing people that ever came about in the Western, because

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that's why it decides like you killed my brothers. That's well.
That led to the train scene with the line of
like I'm coming and helps coming out and then boy
does it? Yeah, and again I like Clanton. I love
the fact that and again I have no idea which
part was true, but like him him going like that's
Virgil with the women. I Clanton and be like he's mine. Yeah,
the guy with one arm surrounded by women. That's immediately

(54:45):
who would like the chicken would go for right, it
was he's mine, Like but yeah, immediately like, hey, where's
why I'm I'm right here? Turn around, shoots one of
the steelwells. And then again let's like Clanton scurry away
like the dog he is to tell the rest of them,

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tell him I'm coming and hell's coming with me.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
But you know, that's so many movies. Let somebody go right,
you give send the warning.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
And and then they did man like just I mean,
however many of those scenes were you know, and it
was like two former cowboys, Yeah that joined up masters there, well,
I think was whereas Turkey Creek and Texas Jack were
they I didn't know if they were cowboys, and ox
I knew those cowboys. I thought they were like, yeah, no,

(55:35):
we're McMasters. Was because yeah and yeah, so yeah, so
they all joined up with Doc and and Wyatt and
started just taking down cowboys left and right, like if
it's if it's wearing a sash, it's dead, like fucking great,
like the the rides the horse, why there rode the
horse into the front of a saloon or whatever and

(55:57):
just like start shooting people down.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
That's what you get the scene where he they're kind
of pinned down and why it's like start saying no, yeah, no,
he's gotta shooting.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
That's one. Doc's like, hey, where's why. Yeah, he's out
there walking all the water, right, did he get hit
it all? Yeah, just stands up and walks towards this
group of cowboys shooting at him, and no one hits him.
Curly Bill stops him and comes out, which apparently, by
all accounts, is true that Curly Bill like and WHYTT
just faced off and he kept shooting at him and
didn't hit him, and through his confusion, he just blew

(56:29):
him away, like just shot him like like what's yeah,
Like I read at one point I heard it was
a slightly different situation, but that part is like has
been in every every one of those instances. It's true
that like, yeah, he just went face down a guy
to shooting at him and he kept missing and just
shot him like Curly Be just shot Curly Bill after

(56:52):
like you know, just walking into a hailfire of guns.
You know, guns is not giving a ship crazy. Yeah,
I know they had love that line. He's down by
the creek walking on.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Wall and well you then also we get a moment
of Ringo and Doc Holliday have to face off, yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Which he wants. Wide originally wants because he knows, yeah
why it's the leader and he knows when Ringo knows,
he can beat him. So yeah, well that's that goes
back to the whole Like the setup to that was
the scene of Ringo's drunk walking down the street. Doc's
sitting in the barber chair getting a shave, and he
wants he's like he wants to fight the herbs, and

(57:34):
they're like, you're drunk, go home. And that's when you
get the first time like Doc's sitting there like watching
is going I'm a huckleberry, and you know and the
cowboys know, so they grab Ringo and he's just drunk.
He doesn't mean any he's just drunk.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah, so yeah, Doc takes his place. Does he get
up early and just go out in the woods to
meet Ringo?

Speaker 1 (57:57):
So? So what like I because I looked trying to
look it up beforehand, and one thing I wasn't sure
of and I looked. I tried to google quick like
did a dog Holiday actually kill Ringo? And supposedly didn't,
like supposedly like from what I read quickly, like in
a quick search. And I don't know a lot of time,
and I have no idea I verified or not I forget,

(58:18):
But supposedly Ringo I think they from what I could
read that he is like he did wasn't killed by
either White or Doc Holliday and ended up getting ship
faced one day, like severely ship faced, riding out to
the middle of somewhere and just shooting himself. Wow right,
Yeah that was That was a quick Google search. I
have no idea. I didn't even have time to like

(58:39):
look at the snott Yeah, but apparently he kind of
died like about the base of a tree like that. Again,
that was a quick Google search. Nothing to really verify it.
That was but but that scene was perfect though, Like
was great because yeah, like the guy who's you know,
guy who's sick, knows you know why it has some

(59:00):
and I beat him. He's his aunt like, now you
can't beat him, so he like so he drags us
out of us, out of bed and meets up with
Ringo before why I can get there, so he because
he knows he can beat him, which is fucking great,
Like yeah, perfect friendship, right, Like this is something like
where He's like, oh, my fight's not with you and
Doc's like, no, we started something. We started a game football.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
I was just fooling, like Ringo knew. He's like, yeah
I can't beat Doc. Yeah he knew, uh and he
didn't dog like.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
He is Like I was just fooln I wasn't. Man,
It's just again such great and Vow killed it. Yeah,
oh yeah for sure, Like like I said, really, I
would love to see a movie which just Vow as
Doc on the day. So can anymore? But one thing, hey,
rest in peace by the way. Yeah, the one thing
I did see was and you know what I was

(59:50):
like once I heard it, I was like, he, I
don't know if he would have done this good a job,
but he could have done a pretty fucking good job.
Was uh ship now just the guy that was in Uh,
I can't remember anything, you're in my state? Then, God
damn it. He was in the movie we already talked

(01:00:11):
about with the with the Irish two Irish brothers that
were killing people sat it was who's the cop? Oh?
Why did you do this to me? I don't know.
He also was Green Goblin and Spider Man. Yeah, uh,
come off, William, Yeah with us. So apparently William start

(01:00:36):
doing this podcast sober Williem Dafoe was o regently like
was their first person that they wanted to cast his
dog Holiday, And I was like, he would have brought
some fun to it too, man, Like if you give
him those lines, I think he could have done it.
Maybe not quite as good as a vow, but it
would have been fun, Like because the way I don't
know it definitely was it would be a different movie.

(01:00:58):
And that's the way I was thinking of was the
way he did the character in Bouddock Saints. Was that
kind of crazy, off the wall, like creepy lines like that.
Like I was like, he could probably do a could
have done a solid job. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
That would the movie would be different enough that it
probably would have tanked.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Right, well, I mean, Defoe nothing against William Fall. I
don't think he has the height and statue that that
Valcima probably did. I feel like Valcilm is probably a
taller actor. I don't know, just in my head. I
mean it just seems that way. Maybe I don't know,
but uh but yeah, like that was apparently the original
cast for that, and I still I think he could
have done Okay, I think he could have done Okay, Okay,

(01:01:43):
I mean okay, that was six foot. Oh, he seemed bigger.
Maybe it was just because his character was so good.
True with about William I Fell, I don't know, will
will dude do do come on computer? Be faster? Five nine?

(01:02:05):
Ah see, that's probably maybe that's why he didn't get
it too, because five nine wouldn't have been as intimidating
and true as six foot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
I just I feel like William Ifoe is a great actor,
has done some amazing roles were like you can't help
but like, wow, he was fucking insane in that right,
But this was not the role for him.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Oh No, I'm not saying he would have done as good,
but I think I think he could have well. But yeah,
but you're no Huckleberry. I don't know. Yeah, I know, yeah, yeah,
spider Man, you know Huckleberry. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
So and then one I am DB's and I am dB.
Someone's saying he's five foot seven. Somebody's fluffing their numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Can you imagine, like help, look all right, quick, look
up how tall is Kurt Russell? Because I feel like
Kurt Russell's a six foot are bigger? Right, And that's
that's the juxtaposition juxtaposition of a of a Kurt Russell
was standing beside a five nine.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Kurt Russell's five nine, that's what the internet saying. Doesn't
mean somebody on the internet doesn't like him and said
he's right five nine.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Because they were standing beside each other a lot boots
and he didn't Yeah, maybe he was getting some big boots.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Uh No, IMDb, five nine and a quarter. So somebody's
going the extra measurement, as you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Right as we do. I'm six one in a quarter,
gotta get hey, all that extra matters. Yeah, but yeah,
nine and a half, huh, I mean he's shorter than me.
I could be an actor that Yeah, that's that's weird. Huh,

(01:03:51):
all right, well never mind, well cowboy boots, Yeah, I
mean yeah, hey, hey Doc, you're wearing flats all day, Kurt,
you get into his boots, buddy. Oh no, I found
one where he's five eleven that seemed more like it,
and then another one says five to nine. Nobody wants
to like Apparently people just like making ship up. The
stat's the Internet, really, honestly, the Internet is like, oh yeah,

(01:04:12):
a bunch of people make a ship up? What's tom cruise?
Five to six? Five?

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Five?

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Right? The race real eazy only five five? I thought
he's wicked small. Oh yeah, he's a dwarf. Let's check
it out five seven? Oh yeah, and lift would list
and then another on redd it's like bullshit five four.
But you know Reddit, there's definitely people making shipped up.

(01:04:38):
All right. Now, we got to wrap this up because
we just went completely forgetting. All right, we're talking about
two stone so yeah, so oh no, no, no, no, no,
I'm gonna finish it out by how tall is Steven
Segal seven three right? Six four? No way, it's at

(01:05:05):
his official website. It might be, but would see what
other people were saying. Now, six four really did not
see that coming.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
I didn't see that coming. Then I am surprised. Yeah,
well i'll be we're a.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Sham and few of Now he's six y three, well,
I mean he's he's fighting gravity pretty hard right now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
That right with the way he put on, he might
have like might be down to five to four. Yeah,
six four, I just see that one coming, Chuck Norris
five to nine.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
All right, Well there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
I cast some bullshit on that, but I don't know who
am I to argue with Steven sigh. Yeah, but it
snatty we're talking about we'realking about teams soon.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
But then after you after the ring go kill, we
just get another fucking awesome killing montage of cowboys. You
see I Clan throw his red sash down again because
he's a coward. Uh and then him you know, unfortunately,
you see the demise of Doc Holiday. You see him
get back with Josephine. And one of my favorite things
about like it's just not good but just to make

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things that always made me laugh about this movie was
at the end of the movie, like you get the
guy narrating like whider, you know, and Josephine Dude whatever
and blah blah blah Wider nine in nineteen twenty nine,
with these actorsby as pallbears, this guy and Tom Mix
Tom Mix wept? Why was that included? Yeah? Why did

(01:06:35):
we need to say? Why do we need to shame
Tom Mix for weeping at Wyerup funeral? I still to
this day haven't figured out why we need to talk
about Tom Mix weeping at Winderp's funeral? Like, there's nothing
wrong with that, but why is it of note? Was
Tom Mix known for not crying? Was there something? Was

(01:06:55):
there something about Tom Mix? Was he like the tough
guy that would never find But yeah, Tom Mix Web,
think that's the last line in the movie, Tom Mix,
Web is how you end Tombstone? So there's there a
Tombstone review. Yeah, I hope you liked it. That was
barely a review, less the review more by me. I mean,

(01:07:17):
you did great.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
I'm sorry, I don't know. I'm glad you watched the
documentary documentary. I'm glad you had all kinds of facts.
I thought I knew what we were talking about today,
and then I had that I did work and that
my mind just melted over the stuff that I had
to do for work, and it was gone.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Yeah, well this is I said, this was one of
those movies I forgot to watch, and then I had
to sneak it in during the day when I could,
and but I could have done it from memory, because
if you do like this movie, you've seen it so
many times in nineteen ninety one ninety two when it
came out, so it's been out for a while, and
it's one of those movies anytime I watch, even if
it's I'm just watching flipping through like a regular cable

(01:07:54):
or whatever. If it's on, I'm watching it like it
starts with the remote stops. It is good. Like I know,
my wife thought it was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
It seemed a little long, but I feel like because
we were both in the same realm of like, you know,
the Doc Holliday scenes were awesome. Kurt Russe was great,
and I could definitely trim this down to that ninety
minutes that you were hoping it was right. I know
how to get this movie down. Is it a good
thing to trim it down to all the sweet juicy action, right?

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Are you missing a couple of elements of character development?
I don't know it three hours would be insane.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Yeah, oh yeah. But even then, like I know, she
thought it could be shorter.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
I was like, oh, I'm fine with it. I just
I got to the point that I just didn't give
a shit about the love angle.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Oh yeah. And that could have just been going right
because at that point they were trying to tell fun
in character development, right, they were trying to tell more
of a why at Art story where this was called Tombstone.
Let's worry more about Tombstone.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Right, Well, the funny thing is when you watch it,
especially if you watched a couple times.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Yeah, no, it's it's about why At hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Yeah, but it's really about Doc Holliday for all your
fans that love this movie, because that's what you want
to see. Classic lines, great action, you got gunfights, killer dialogue.
Like I said, even the Latin that I butchered, not
the only person butchering Latin right now.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
One of my favorite things about Latin is if you
ever watched the show Rosehe back in the day, there
was an episode where she went to school because of
one of her kids did something whatever. But at the
end of the episode, she's lead walking out of the
school and there's like a she's walking through the office
where the little like PA announcement microphone sitting and she
clicks it and she goes, attention all students, if you're
taking Latin, you're wasting your lives and walks down. I

(01:09:47):
don't know why that was stuck with me and just
cracked me up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Yeah, they could have skipped a Latin for that scene,
but it made it more badass.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Right, it developed those just when you did what they
were saying, you just knew that. Oh right, well, Doc
Holiday says like he reminds me of me. Yeah, and
you know, and then oh what now, you boat, you're
both educated.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Ship kind of setting up like oh these two right, yeah,
there's gonna be a showdown right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Between these two. It's the young and the old version
of this character.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
But uh, you know, Val Kilner is a standout. It
definitely is his movie. Kurt Russ is great, big mustache
to these mustaches.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
As great as uh Sam Elliot. Sam Elliott does everyone
did ever, literally everybody in that air have one of
those mustaches. Because maybe but I'm I imagine like trying
to drink a beer or eat food that could be
a problem in my head. I was watching this going
maybe for Halloween next year, be whieter up and I'll
grow this insane baby, grow one like that. Of course,
gota twirl it at the end. Yeah, well yeah, if

(01:10:45):
you're going to grow that, you gotta go all the
way right. You can't, No, I want you to grow
a mustache. I'd have to. I'd have to grow a
beer that big and then cut it down for one
day because I couldn't wear a mustache. Oh I wonder why, Well,
because I don't want to look like a pedophile a day.
Oh right, sorry to all you out there were in

(01:11:06):
mustache is it seems to be like a cool thing
right now? Really, hipsters, you gonna do wear flannel with
your mustache? Cool? Right? Maybe you commun your avocado toast
is getting a mustache? Your avocado toast. Val Kill killed it.
I did like Kurt Russe on it. Uh. The movie

(01:11:27):
for me was super awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
A lot of fun watching it. I'd love it to
be a little shorter. Historically, I obviously listen to what
yours said. I'm more fascinated with the what really happened,
But again, this is VALA's movie, so for that, it's
like an.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Eight out of ten. And if I was rating just
his acting ten out of ten, right, I loved him
in this movie. He was awesome. Yeah, this is this
is like one of my top three of all times.
So it's a ten for me. Like, I'll watch it
anytime it's on, every time the way through and love
it like it's I mean, I'm not saying there can't

(01:12:09):
be it's there's not flaws. Of course, every movie has
some flaws. But for me, yeah, just me personally, it's
a ten. I fucking love it all Right? What we
got next? Mark?

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
First off, if you want to send in feedback on
the show, not about my Laddin, fuck off.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Uh Swolfen at gmail dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Uh, send your your your ideas for like movies we
should watch comments, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
And I'm sorry, I've like I can't. I have to
find the reset the password and stuff for Instagram because
I've been able to get into it for like two
weeks since our last episode of Kindergarten Cop. So I
haven't posted anything for a while. Social media. Come on, man,
we both do too much of that in our regular jobs, right,
I don't do it anymore on the side, Yeah, I'll
get on it. I'm on it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
I thought it be fun. I know you're always like,
oh you in your eighties. Here's my impression when you
chastise me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
That's pretty solid.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Thank you, Kurt Russell. I was like, you know what,
let's go back to nineteen eighty one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
I was just I'm hoping it's what I'm thinking, Escape
from New York. Yes, I was because I thought about
one of the Escape movie because he had Yeah, I
think La was in the nineties, La La You ever
escape from l.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Yeah? Come on, it's like Snake Blisken. Yeah, you know,
apocalyptic situation but still action. He's sleepless and it looks
pretty bill right, it's sleepless. Yes, I'm a little.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Familiar with Snake.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
And I don't want to say it's I think it's
on Amazon right now free. But yeah, as soon as
we say something, it's no longer there. All right, there
you go. There's your homework, everybody, boom, that's your homework.
And also your homework is to keep lifting that weight bitches. Correct,

(01:14:08):
you get in a hooray