Ep 61 - Rocky - Swole Cinema

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Talia Shire because she was a fucking smoke show.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yeah, she was take your glass. I don't know if
you know this, but in a movie, if you take
your glasses off.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
You're hot. No no, no, no, a whole different persona.
No no, no, no. Oh.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Hey, it's swoll cinema. What's up, Mark, there's Ryan, there's
an ash. Hey, roll here, gang, we're talking about Rocky.
Uh fine, we could talk about the glasses. I wanted
to make the point that all it took was getting
boned by stallone and all of a sudden, she doesn't
need glasses.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
The stallone bone. That's true because.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
After after that scene, which I really think we should unpack.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Here's some issues with that scene.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, there's a lot of really cringey
things about that scene.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
But yeah, so that's all you need. Stallone scene cures
as well. Hear your blindness.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
Yeah, she had glasses again at the very end, she
didn't when she was in the locker room when for
other men to walk in, so can take care of them.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'm gonna stay here.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Yeah, yeah, my, you know, he told me you give
him the sta bone and he told me to stay here.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
But I'm in the stub bone.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
You know, he told me we have a scent, a
T shirt, stub bone, the bone, No glasses needed.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
You know, she's in the locker room waiting for him
to come back for a post fight, you know, kick
it off, dusting off. And uh I thought she had
glasses on in that one.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, I don't think she did.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Maybe, uh, maybe it only works in like twelve to
twenty four hour increments.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Right, he'd get boned to get Yeah, when you started
getting blurry vision d glasses again, Yeah, that's why you
need the stone. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
That's how it keeps you coming.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Back, keeps you coming back for more. Oh, you want
to see today? You know you got to do now?

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Nineteen seventy six, talking about the original Rocky that started everything.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, what I learned it is no Rocky three and four.
Oh so you're a you're a you're one of the
ones that likes sequels better.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
What do you mean there's no Rocky three and four?
Not Rocky three and four? What are you talking about?
This is a drama. Oh yeah, but a.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Drama, a little bit of love story and it stallone said.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, it's more about a guy and his life. And
he just happens to be a boxer boxing. No it is.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Stallone said that he doesn't remember his own name. Sometimes
he doesn't know.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Well in my head, I was watching it going like
thinking that, like, I guess this isn't an action movie.
I mean, no, not at all. It's it's more of
a it's a walking movie. It's an amazing franchise with
some great action sequences. But technically, if you're going to say,
is it an action movie, I'd.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Say no, no, but it is a walking movie. The
first thirty minutes is Rocky walking Philly.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah. Yeah, And Philly looks.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Like he knows every Like every time there's a corner
and there's a group of people on the corner, yeah
singing because I assuming Philly people you no Internet, but
he knows everybody gives a little pat gives him a
little point, but rather than stop and hang out with him,
just walks on.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Wait. So I wanted to like point that out, Like
the beginning with the credits rolling, like he has this
fight and then they they're bringing in the credits and
he walks to the corner and again I think that
whole scene was just to get his brother Frank yeah.
In the movie.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
I think his brother wrote a little ditty either singing.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, bring me back. So he walks around the corner.
They're like all taking swigs from a bottle of wine
or something. Takes a swig, spits it out, and gets
it back. Yeah, and then goes into his apartment and
takes a big gulp of flat beer for that was opened.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
That was already open.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
But after he won the boxing match, he gets what
spider or something. Yeah, he asked a guy, you go smoke,
and guy's like, yeah, you can have this one that
was already in his mouth.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
That was the longest.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
It was a fresh one out from behind his ear
all right. When it game the fresh one, Yeah, you're
not worth it.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
You bummed well.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
And that cigarette, if he noticed from the time he
left the fight, it didn't go out until he got
home and put that cigarette in the bottle that he
pulled out with the flat beer.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
He could have that was the longest cigarette ever.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
He could have stopped at a station because you know,
I had there's big winnings, so he could have.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Got a pack on the way. That's true where he
could have yeah, yeah, off camera.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
But but even like if we go the opening scene
of one of the greatest franchise in history is Rocky
boxing getting a ship beat.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Out of him. Well, yeah, one of the best cold opens.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
I think it was a fantastic because it was just
like Rocky a little bit of music boom in fighting
and was like, yo, this is a great opening. It
was right into it, no must, no fuss, Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
And and you're learning you get a quick introduction to
like the character Rockies, like he's in the ring getting
a ship beat out of him. By what you come
to learn is just a has been a bomb possibly
nobody can't. You can't that he's fighting and gets pissed
off because he gets a head butt and then just explodes,
loads on the shy living out of him. Yeah, and

(05:10):
you're got like, oh, so he just needs he is
this going to be a movie where it's one of
those like he just needs to get angry, like the
whole you.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
See, the whole guy is what it was. Yeah, that's
exactly right. Yeah, because he was just like had this.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Fucking he a tiger?

Speaker 2 (05:22):
You don't know it, but right then.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
It was just eye of the cub, you know, it
was I Schmitz of the Tiger. For right now didn't
fully develop, but yeah, he beat the crap out of
that guy. And then was like, okay, well where was this?
I mean right, I was thinking like, okay, well I
thought that made me think back to the day of
me in sports. It was like, well, were there times
where I would turn it on, like mid way through

(05:46):
something whatever a boxer, But I never could, just like
I would try to turn it on before I started
a match, right, not halfway through.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Well, with boxing, you got how long the rounds were, right,
rounds they were sched will do yeah, pace yourself a
little bit. He'd want to let it all out. And
once I'd had, Buddy's like fuck it, it's all out
and he beat.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
The crab out.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well, if it didn't happen he had to go five
or six rounds. You need that, you know, you need
to pace yourself. If you burn out in a couple
of rounds, then it could be over for you.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
And if you follow how many rounds were in the
final fight with Creed, there was like forty three rounds.
It was I thought it was a three round exhibition
kind of a thing. You keep on saying three.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Rounds because Paula said he was going to take him
out in three rounds? Oh that would it was okay,
I want the pede during.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
That I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, though a couple of times like and then whenever
he made it very clear at the beginning, whenever he
was dressed up as Uncle Sam.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Like I want you three rounds, three round Like, just.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Kept yelling three rounds. I think that's why, because he
said he was going to knock him out, gotcha.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
I mean, but technically Rocky knocked him out in the
first round. Well, if you would do a ten count
oh yeah, that was a long still editing and you
gotta make it look good and you want a long movie.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
But technically I wondered if they did it on purpose,
like because a little conversation and controversy, right, because in
my head I was like, well, like Rocky just keeps
like I'm like, what he is a bum? Why the
fuck do you keep rushing the referee who's trying to
count out the champ?

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Right?

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, sit in your fucking corner.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, like you're not gonna punch him wise lying on
the ground, getting your corner because the referee keeps getting distracted.
I think that's how they like give him the long ten.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, well, I mean you Rockies used to like fighting
in like bombs, fighting bombs, and he would Yeah, he
would have hit him when he was down.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
I think he's like, oh no, no, you hit him
till they're out. Yes.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
So so he finishes the fight, he gets his seventeen
cents from his manager or whoever.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Forty three dollars and seventy cents.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
I thought he was charging him forty bucks. It sounded
like it.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
No, I see what you're saying, because when he was
talking to Spider, he was deducting wards. When he was
talking to Rocky, it did come across unless it was
editing mistake. It came across like he was shower, locker,
all this and then okay, that's comes to forty three bucks. Yeah,
so I almost wonder I heard the same thing. I like, oh,
was that a Was that a mistake because that was

(08:12):
sounded like he would but it sounded like he charged.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
He was charging both of them for all the stuff.
For the stuff. Yeah, it's like, hey, you're the loser's
share was accident's fifteen dollars for shower for a cornerman
five dollars for shower and towel and seven percent tax.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
It comes to yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Whatever, well, because when he did it, it just it
just sounded a little weird. It sounded like he was
charging him and not what he was going to give him,
you know.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Like what a terrible deal.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
I was like, dude, he just won and he made
like fifteen dollars, So yo, he need to go back
to the other.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Guy fight again. Hopefully never never, that was nothing.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
But he walks around town with a little band aida
abovea's eye.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Everybody kept saying I didn't understand why everybody kept saying, like, oh,
he's just words like the mob guy. I was like,
or whatever. He was like, where's a truck that hit you?

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Whatever? I did look at that.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Oh, well, we know that guy was just a dick
to Rocky every time.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
That's typical. That's busting his balls at every every turn
in the corner.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I mean, the movie ended before could but that's the
guy you'd lay like, can we get a little like
like epilogue where he just beats the shit out of
that guy, the driver guy.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, well see, I imagine if there was an extra
in the movie that just gonna be like, hey man,
I'm really really sorry.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Man.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, I think he would turn the corner.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Speaking of that though, uh, he works for a loan
shark who is the nicest loan shark. He gave Rocky
fifty to take Adrian out. Yeah, gave him five hundred
for training, and I was like, is it gonna come back?
Is this kind of gonna be like cool that five
hundred I gave you and you just want one hundred
and fifty thousand?

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Well that's what I think. Do you think he went
back and was like I could just see after that, being.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Like you're you would dollars, you know, and and then
gave the money back. Yeah, he needs the big on it. Yeah, right,
he's sitting Rocket.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
See, Rocky's no bright enough to realize, like, don't take
that money.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
He's not your friend. He's not your friend. He wants
that money back. But I guess that storyline and I
wanted never happened.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
That's like that's like a like the Star Wars had
their original like X amount of movies and then now
they're doing all the pill in movies. That's like a
fill in movie from Rocky.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Right, Oh yeah, we'll follow the In the Rocky universe,
the point of view is the loan Shark.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Guy be like this guy is a fuck you know whatever.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
People hate it, and we've got to make sure Rocky's
in one episode so people are like, okay.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Would that not be fun?

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Though?

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Now, like the way Star Wars has developed this entire
universe to go back to other franchises and have like
side like you can.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Kind of what happened to what is his name? Denise Little?
Denise Little? She comes back and yeah, maybe who he said?
If you keep hanging out on that street.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Rocky Bboa?

Speaker 1 (10:58):
She is, Yeah, way spoilers, wait, you.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Have either if you watched like Rocky Balboa.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Like, is he the girl that he ends up helping
out in the neighborhood because she was at the hanging
out front of the Hogy Shaft?

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, because she's like at one point she's like I
remember you, and he's like what do you mean? He
goes screw you. Creep O brings back the.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Live I remember helping him helping somebody out, but I
didn't really helping her out.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Like here's again, he's walking around town and somehow knew
that come with me and gives her a whole.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Lecture like, hey, you don't want to be like that
that we're supposed to know he's a good guy.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well that's yeah, because well they set him up as
like this nobody bum guy that works for a loan shark.
But they try to give you these moments where.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Oh, deep down he gives he's got a heart.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah he's good, but but I love that as he
walked away, he's like who the Like, He's like, who
a might he give advice? Looking the bomb, like degrading himself.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
As he walked because that's what he feels and knows
what was saying with the first guy he chases down
at the ship yard to get money, right, he's supposed
to break his thumbs, but he didn't. But his logic
was great when he was telling the loan sharks, Yeah,
like just tink it for brick of thumb. Then he
gets laid off he can't work at that money. I'm like,
that's sound logic, right, Like, hey, you don't you want

(12:15):
the guy to pay off the two hundred dollars he
borrowed If you break his thumbs, he gets laid off.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
See, Rocky should be the loan chart. Say he's dumb,
He's not that dumb. He's sort of game, like, you know,
a couple of shots.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, definitely gave him some bruises.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, yeah, what was it? What was he driving?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
It was like a forknive without the ford. He was
just a lift. It was just it was just like
a little chariot thing. He was like tooling around the
shipyard on and I was like, I want, I want
one of those races down.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
But Doc and I love because like we've all been
around like something to that effect. And I'm like he
tries to get away, I'm like those things go like
maybe five mile.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Hours, like don't maybe rulling out, And I'm like a
shot because Rocky had like these high heel boots.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
But I know, so he maybe he's like I think
I might be able to outrun him.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
I did know that there's like those are the nicest
shoes for a goon that yeah, exactly not built for
running for sure. They're like dress shoes and he's running
around you're walking around.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
It so good. Well he had him cornered.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
If he kept on going, he was going to hit
the dock or the fall off or hit a boat
or something like that. You know.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
I do like that scene when he's before he catches
the guy. It just has a stick. Yeah, he's the
one just swinging around like exactly what a kid would do.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yeah, I mean that's what That's what you do in
Philly in the seventies. You just if you see a stick,
you just pick it up. It's just when you're walking
the seventeen miles to go shake down this guy, you know,
driving a cart on the dock.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
He just picks up up as you go. You don't
have a car y, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
But also whenever he like, he does that job and
he gets back in the car and he says like, hey,
tomorrow get del Rio. But and he puts on his
glasses like are those adrians glasses? Because those like your
framed glasses that he puts Yeah, so like feminine looking.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, he's real looking up an addiction. I'm like, uh okay,
that's it's a name. No, seriously, do you want me
to go get this guy and get your money back?
Where where is he?

Speaker 3 (14:09):
You know?

Speaker 1 (14:09):
What does he do? Uh? Again? The worst s loan
shark or the nicest loan could you just spell it phoonetically? Well?

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Then he so then after the inning, I saw like
moving mistakes. But he's supposed to be a south Paul
left handed, but he's writing down the name right handed.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Well, I mean technically you can do everything right handed
except box.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah, but if you're left hand dominant, I bet you're
just like if I try to right left hand, it looks.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Like a just ship.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Well, I mean, there's a no wonder he's like del
red Dale Roy. I can't I can't read my own writing.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
There's a there's a golfer, Phil Mickelson, who is left handed.
When he golfs, that's the only thing he does left handed.
He's probab not the only well, he holds clubs in
his left eyes, whatever it is. But yeah, apparently everything
else he does right handed because his dad was like
left handed, and when he golfed, he wont a golf

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like his dad.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
So he's interesting.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
He's picked up his dad's left handed clubs.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
And well, when they make his movie, we'll talk about.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
We will make that side movie.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
We can delve into all these right nooks and Crani's
in the Rocky universe, the Rocke verse. So then he
goes and he visits Adrian, right, because after that is
then he goes or is that when he goes to
the pet shop.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, ye is that? Yeah, Well he rehearses, like the joke,
he answer, hears his whole joke, and he goes to
tell her. I guess that's how we knew he's sweet
on her. Oh the worst pet start, poor Brutus buckets
that giant dog in the smallest freaking cave.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah. I know, that's a small crate for that giant
ass dog.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
I was hoping that was like the guard dog that
they left out like at night then, because that was
a big dog.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah. And so he goes to visit her.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
She smiles at him kind of once, you know, smiles
at his little funky joke, and then of course she's
they set it up that he goes in and I
guess every morning and every evening to go talk to her.
But it seems like when he went in that she
was kind of like, I don't want to Why do
you keep.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Coming in here?

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah? A little bit, and then introduced the psycho brother Paulie.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Well, like in that pet store, I was like, why
why is the manager cock Block and Rocky?

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah he's she like, yeah, go downstairs and tells Adrian
to clean up the cat boxing downstairs. It's a mess. Yeah,
and you can hear her off camera. You have a
Rocky you know, you gotta pay for her. He's like, yeah,
I know, don't pay and he puts in his.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Pocket he walks with it.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
I saw that too. I was like, Yo, he's just
crying over pay it, but he's stolen.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
I feel like he's like, what do you gonna do?

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Bo? So do you think that they it was? That's
not her sister, but whoever that her manager is? You
think she was hot for Rocky?

Speaker 1 (16:53):
No, she seemed annoy that he was just there.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Just just in general. Because he keeps stealing from her, stealing,
he probably has a reputation. What did make you call
him leg leg breaker?

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah? So I'm sure that people were like, he's not
that good. He's not a good guy.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
So how much of this movie do you think was
set up to show Rocky being down and out? Because
he was kind of down and out for the first
like three quarters of the movie.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
When did you say this is the quintessential underdog story. Well, yeah,
he's down and out gets this opportunity.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah yeah, Well then okay, all right, so he had
the ships I guess.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
I mean he was definitely down and out, like he
didn't close without his that one tank top had holes.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Hot tank top, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (17:37):
I think that was one of those things where it
was it was fun to see.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
He was tank top.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah that too. I'm gonna walk around the tank top
later the rest of the day. Like it was like
to see that it wasn't just an underdog, it was
an underdog. And then he had that realization like whenever
Mickey stops by at one point and he's only because yeah,
like he realized, like place as a shithole. I fucking
hate Like I don't hate this, I hate this place.

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I'm I'm not a good person, Like I don't like
the way I'm living. I'm living in a place that stinks. Yeah,
I took this fight because I'm just for the money.
You think I'm going to get mask, but yeah, I
wanted to be better. I want to be better. You know,
Like that realization, that's the way he gets you rooting
for him because he's like, hey came down. Yeah he's
a leg breaker. He doesn't like being a leg breaker.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
He wants because that's what he's good fight.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah, Yeah, it's a fighter that's what he's like tells Mickey, like,
why you always busting my chaps?

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Because what Mickey saying, because you have talent and you
waste it being a leg breaker.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah yeah, I'm like, maybe why didn't you tell him
that like earlier?

Speaker 2 (18:39):
See, I'm sitting there like whenever he's like, because he
goes into the gym, his locker, his his equipment's hanging
on skid row because basically like if you you can
train here, but you're not getting a locker, you're just
your ships is tanging there. Uh Like he goes, yeah,
you've been a buff for six years.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
I'm like, whoa trying to tell us?

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Years to train this guy? I can still some knowledge
and be a better coach, and you didn't get it across, Like,
I think that's kind on you a little bit, Like
at least he should have known where.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
You stood when he was taking this fight all Nick
came around. Huh right, Nick wanted some of that money
too for coaching him.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Well, do you guys know when when was Rocky three
when he went to Russia? That's four four? Okay, when
when when did that? Was that? In like nineties? He
said ninety six?

Speaker 2 (19:23):
I think that was nineties. Yeah, I mean I know
it was nineties.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Early nineties. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Three was because mid to late eighties, probably because whenever
mister T was hot, so probably yeah, yeah, yeah, Because.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
I was listening and I caught a little somewhere in
there it said that Rocky was thirty. He said, he
said somewhere in the movie at the beginning, like when
he was looking at Yeah he Polly's.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Like she's gonna be alone, and like waste the wait
or nothing?

Speaker 1 (19:50):
You're not married. He's like, well, just third thirty. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
So then I was like, well that that little sentence
was like, wait a minute, hold on, does that mean
when he goes to Russia he's in his fifties?

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I think in the universe, in the universe, late thirties.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Mate, those movies all technically one year apart. Gotcha?

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Okay? Was like did he fight Drago? Like getting ready
for retirement?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
I mean in real life? Yeah, he like he was.
Sylvester Sloan was probably like late thirties. Yeah, I mean
he was probably in his forties because what he is
seventy twoish? Now?

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Gotcha? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (20:27):
So that people were not good at math. This is
a action movie podcast, right, They told me there'd be
no math.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Speaking of PAULI, I mean, he got nominated for Supporting Actor,
but the character.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Itself was just a piece of shit. Oh just awful
to his sister.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
I didn't even understand, Like he just get angry, drunk
and angry, and he threw the turkey out the well and.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
He invited Rocky over for Thanksgiving. Yeah, I got confused
into a Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
I talked him into coming over, like pushed him to
come over for Thanksgiving, got to the house and then
threw the turkey out, and the yelderness just like go out.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
There, get out, go well.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
His whole his whole stick was he wanted to get
a job with the guy Rocky worked for the entire time.
So his his logic was, if I get Rocky dating
my sister, then he has to get me a job.
So the whole time, and if my sister's going to
be my sister's going to be this lonely bitch, I
need to get her. I need to give her a
reason to get out there with Rocky. That was his

(21:26):
his endgame was like I don't care about my sister.
I just want her to date Rocky. So Rocky's you know,
kind of the family. Then he'll maybe he'll get me
a job, Like his whole stick was constantly get me
a job. So I think that was just his way
of being an asshole. But my sister's going to with
a specific purpose. I'm going to be an asshole, but
it's his purpose. Was She'll then she'll have to go

(21:47):
out with him. If I throw the turkey out there's
no food here, she'll hate me. She'll go with Rocky,
but I'll still maybe get a job.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Okay, So, so what you're saying is that Polly was
a misunderstood was an asshole.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Misunderstood he was a horrible brother.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
It's an asshole. But well, I mean, yeah, it's all
about greed for him.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, oh she does after all that Fasco going a
date with Rocky, and it leads to the ice skating
rink scene, which I'm like, ship that's Happy Gilmore.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
That's where they got that scene in Happy Gilmore from.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yeah yeah yeah, And then to the most cringey would
you like to come up to my place situation that you.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
See like ever, Oh yeah, I guess no doesn't mean no,
not in the seventies, not in Philly, in the seventies.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
In Rockies defense, he did not physically force her. He
was ready to go, like he just basically like, come on,
come on.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
He convinced her.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
But he was on a stupid inside like he didn't
even do it from outside the house. He was just
inside like come on, like like you know, we like
each other, you know, come on.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
When it gets up to the apartment, though, it takes
a shirt off. When he was in the house and
locked her in the house. Yeah, they really set the
pedipher of the creep stage. Yeah, he definitely aged. Definitely. Yeah,
he's getting a little uh rape. Yeah, just a hint.
You don't have to kiss me back.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Even when she was like no, I'm minute ago, he
blocked the door. Oh yeah, yeah, and then you know
he again, Yeah, that's the love of his life in
every movie. But that scene, I'm like, I forgot how
bad this scene is. Yeah, and my son him and
his friends watch it. He has a group of friends
and they watched movies together. Uh and that you know,

(23:30):
critique it and he he said, this movie's ass and
he said that scene, Dad, that's some sexual assault action
right there. So twenties and that's how they interpreted it.
But that was fifty years ago, literally fifty years ago.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
I can't justify. Rules were different back then. Rule things
were different, the mentalities were different. That that's how you
approached the women because oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
And back then they would justify the scene as well.
You can tell she is needed persuade it because she
ended up kissing them back and making out like that's
how they justify it. I'm not saying it's right right,
like it's very like.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
It's very yeah, like this shouldn't be happening.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
But you know, is that what they were Maybe they
were thinking that that's how it worked back in the day,
thank you. I don't know, I don't know. I felt
the same way. I was just watching this thing, going like, oh, yoh,
like this.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Is I guess within movie the movie though Adriam did
really like.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Him, right, luckily it worked out luckily.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
That's some almost non consensual Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah,
you could bring charges. Oh yeah. And then and then
was she into it or did she just submit to it? Right? Right?

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Oh, she had to be into it because she changed
her whole look like.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
She was a woman. Yeah. Well the bone but again, there.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Was a scene where he's yelling at her all drunk
again and saying you're dirty.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Oh yeah, and now and then he was well again
because he didn't get a job. He was kept hunting
for a job, and then he also wanted money, like, hey,
you got you need a trainer, like Polly is a
leech man. Yeah, his hole motive, like every motivation is
how do I his? In his mind, he was being
kept down. He was such a great guy. He was
being kept down. And now Rocky's keeping him down too,

(25:18):
because first he won't get him a job, and he
got it, you know, he got him dating his sister.
And now he won't give him any this title fight
money or helping, you know, give him a job like
with him. And so then he got mad again, you know, Okay,
oh yeah he was. He was just a mean drunk.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, he was always drinking. He had like a bottle.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
In his pocket at work, taking a knit, walking down
the street hitting it.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah. Yeah, he was perpetually drunk. But what movie.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
But what you love about Rocky then at the end
is even through all of that, at the end, he
still gives Polly. Gets Polly like, what's his beak with?
He's walking out with his robe and it has the
whatever he meets on the.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Meat, Yeah, Shamrock meets Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
So Shamrock got the advertisement and Polly got like three
grand Yeah, you know, so he still will let him
let his beak.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Off of his because we aswe learned, Rocky is a
good dude.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Right well, other than raping his future wife. But you
know that's neither here nor there. You know, it just
it couldn't. We don't know that it was raping that night.
It could just been the salt well, whatever it is,
it's straightened out her eyeballs because you're right, she didn't.
She all of a sudden didn't need glasses anymore, and
she had style after the fact. Right after that, she

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was like bringing it on every time they were together.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
She was looking pretty good.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
An extroverts timid and into the.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Well to like to be honest like that was that
was probably one of the things with what was because
she was so shy was the fact that she never
was with a guy. So you got to imagine that
she would come out of her show a little bit
because that's one of those obstacles that she ever came.
So in my head, I'm like, it's kind of a
natural progression.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
What what keywords just triggered that, well, all this time,
that this is happening, though we have the other storyline
building to the main, the big Shell Polo Creede. Yeah,
setting up a huge fight in Philadelphia. Uh one for
the ages and the guy's fighting breaks his hand. Yeah

(27:29):
we don't.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
We just see the X.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Racer looking at all the other contenders. No one's available, right,
no one's available. Nobody can fight him.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
He comes up with this great idea. He picked his
name literally from a book, a hard I.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Was curious of, like what book contains just all the
local boxers in the town, Like a book be printed,
like you said, a hard bound book, not just like
hey here's some here's some paperwork on all the local boxers.
It was a hard bound book, like an encyclopedia of
local boxes affiliate. And it was thick.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
It was. It was a thick book. And he only
got to like age seven, found it. Found Italian Stallion.
That was all it took. That name. He's like, I
could see that that's gonna sell. Maybe there's a maybe
there's a registry.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Say Apollo Creed versus the Italian Stallion sounds like a
monster movie.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
And I do love the like the logic of him
throughout that, like that, like the fact that like, yeah, okay,
I can't find an opponement. I want to fight this date.
We're going to make it huge. Yeah if we promote
it right, And like the whole I did love the
whole mindset and logic that he had behind it, Like, yeah,
I look, nobody, this is America, the land of opportunity.
Let's go. It's like, that's that is genius, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, what did Yeah what do you say?

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Like it's going to be something Apollo He's like or
he's like, no, that's a smart idea.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, it's all a businessman. He was a businessman. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
And even throughout when Rocky starts training, Apollo is just
focused on the money. He's not not taking shit. Seriously,
We've never never seen him yeah training right. Even his
even his trainer when he's watching Rocky hit meat on
the New because again Polly trying to you know, still
make a little cash, called the news team to come down. Said, oh,

(29:06):
Rocky he trains punching meat. Uh he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Care, please say punching meat more.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Another T shirt?

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yes, yes, but even his trainers like so his trainer though,
they're sitting there on this guy's office, but his trainer's
watching the TV where Rockies hitting meat but.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Also with his shirt fully on. I know, I'm not
sure why he was the only one. Yeah, he's a
casual Friday bro guy.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Would they have the secretary like, hey, could you go
get us some coffee?

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Like what's off?

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yes, contains whiskey?

Speaker 1 (29:46):
What do I what do we miss? What do we miss?

Speaker 3 (29:47):
A party before we cut to this scene. But I
just thought that was funny. But his trainer was like
uh oh oh yeah. But again a polo c's like yeah, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Well, I mean, like you have to because whenever he
first starts doing that and Polly sitting, he's like, you're
break gonna break the ribs, Like I'm pretty sure you
have to punch as side of beef. Pretty hard to
break ribs in hisself, that should be a red flag
that he's out there just like busted.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Up the up sides of beef and you obviously it's
gonna come back, because he does give Apollo a shot
to the ribs and it looks like, yeah, might have
broken something.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah oh yeah. Because that they're like this guy goes
to the body like no one else. Mickey's saying that
to the what the cutman, whatever, we got a contender,
like he goes to the body like, no, I've never
seen like so it's a it's a focal point in
his in his strategy.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
But I really like Carl Weathers Apollo. Creed's a great Yeah,
great character. I don't even he's not necessarily the villain.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
No, not the movie. I don't know who the villain is.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Maybe just Rocky himself fighting him, feeling like he's not good.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah, it's his own it's his own internal struggle. Yeah, villain,
that's really what it is. I rewatching this. I didn't
remember up until watching this that really the hero of
the whole story is Creed. Creed is the one who
starts the whole He made Rocky. He made Rocky, he

(31:13):
made Rocky, he picked him out of the hardbound book
that started him off on this path that did the franchise.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Okay, yeah, crazy the hero you know?

Speaker 4 (31:21):
So, so Creed is really the hero of it because
Creed is the one who puts them on that path?

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Or is it like the like they always say about
the superhero ORCS is you'll never know it, but you
you're going to create your your biggest enemy, your own Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
So he kind of creates a yeah, okay, on how
we're here, Okay, now we're some metas up here we go,
so we're thinking like Batman Joker kind of a situation.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
He yeah, no, but okay, the Joker Batman, because Joker
creates his archenemy.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
I guess, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Well, our chenemies.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
Who Creed and well, I mean their rival, right, yeah,
event opponents, but Batman and the Joker there.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
They never become best bros.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
No, but they do recognize that they need each other.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
They need each.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Other, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, but then Rocky kills the guy.
He kills the Creed when they when the training montages
start with him running and the music, it is so
very iconic.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
I'm sorry, but those kids better recognize the king of montages.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Well.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
And actually, so I was, I was thinking about it.
I was like, wait, this happened in seventy six. So
I joked on my phone real fast, what is the
first training montage? And if you look up, what was
the first training montage? It was Rocky the first one
that hit the real There was other training scenes, but
not a true montage. Yeah, the first one was Rocky.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
And if you think about all the training montages, if
you do a top ten, at least four, there's four
Rocky movies in that.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Well, it was in seventy six, so he set the
format for the training montage.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
I mean, Rocky three, Rocky four probably has one of
the best training montages.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Drug and Your Blood Sport had.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
A That's why I said ten, Yeah, okay montage.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
You know, right before that began, I was like, man,
how many people drank raw eggs because of Rocky?

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Still as soon as he's through the moment, there's is
still fifty years later and people still refer to that
about drinking raw eggs, Like again, that's how you get salmonella, right,
especially in the seventies.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
That was that's definitely like almost gag inducing him just
hammering down and those were they were the real thing.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Oh yeah, they didn't have special effects in the sun.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
They didn't have the budget come up with fake eggs. Yeah, no,
he had to do it.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
So but that's one of the things, like how many
like that? Just that moment in the movie has led
to just so many moments in real life where people
people were slamming wrongs because I thought, oh if I
wouldn't get big and strong like Rocky, raw eggs apparently
is the way.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
How many hospitals like, so, yeah, so you have salmonella.
Can you tell me what you're up to today?

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Drinking row eggs? Rocky? Huh oh yeah, I recommend don't
do that.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Yeah, fucking Rocky, you're drinking eggs? Man, So do you
think that the the production team the director was like,
hold on, hold on, hold on, we need to do
that taking Oh my god, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
We didn't get it that time.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
I hay three dozen row eggs, but the directors whispering
another guy, oh, we totally got it.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I just want to see how many you can do.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
That's like there's if anybody out there as a fan
of a big Lebowski, there's a monologue that Sam Elliott does,
oh yeah, yeah, and at one point like they're doing it,
and they made him do that like eight times, and
finally Sam Elliott just got pissed.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
He's like, all right, I what why? What?

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I did this perfectly like every time, and if the
comb Brothers, being the weird Combros that they are, like oh,
we got it on like the second take. We just
fucking love watch be listening to you.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Do it, like.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Kept having to redo it because they're like, it's just
we just love it. We love hearing you do it
because you've got to draw and everything.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
It's like, see, yeah, probably who knows, who knows how
many eggs he ain't.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
I'm hoping just that one.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Well, yeah, because he wrote it, so he probably was like,
screw you half thozen eggs, so you can kiss my ass.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
That a good breakpoint. Yeah, let's take a break, come
back after this commercial women waking legs.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Well, I gotta tell you my women, my woman kind
of strengthens one of my legs.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Hey, we're back.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
This is exactly how we started this episode. Weird, and
we came back in the break weird.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, but no, And I thought about this, and I
was like, oh, so I don't know how many sporting
any other competition's marks competed in, but I know Nash
and I have done powerless to meets and stuff like that,
and I can distinctly say that.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
That's not true, that is not true, that is not true.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
I would and actually the exact opposite for me, had
always been true and where it's like the day before
you if you should get together the day before or
even hours before you leave the house, before you go
do something, you're like relax and you're like, you're there's
a clarity, you know, you get that clarity that you have,
the post nut clarity. You know it happens physically when

(36:33):
you get in there and you just feel like I'm
in the groove.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Man.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Well, the thing with me is I don't like I liked.
I try to stay away from it. But it's but
afterwards afterwards when I'm like the celebratory one, That's what
I'm looking for. But she doesn't listen, so she doesn't care,
but like she'll be the one that like initiates it.
The day before I'm like, no, I'm trying to, like you,

(36:56):
maybe have a little frustration, may have that concentration and everything.
No like, but then afterwards I'm like I'm ready to go,
and then she's like we just did that, Like what's up?
Like why you all over me now?

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Like you don't understand celebratory.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Like I just to answer your question, I was in
a boxing ring and a kickbox. I forgot you were
in a kickbox I was a former kickboxer. One time
came in second place where you're like two people in
the ring, So you can get what second place means.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Oh no, I was, I was. I was hurt. Oh yeah,
uh well just the pure exertion.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Uh yeah, of in the ring. Uh so my whole
body was just sore from just letting it all out.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
But did but did you did you beforehand? Did you
have a little I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
I was like twenty four, so maybe I feel like
maybe I handled things so myself.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
I can't remember. Yeah, no, I was pretty sure. When
I got home. I think I just got in the bathtub.
I can't remember if I helped myself either.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Not in the bathtub, weird and weird losers don't get.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
The second place. All in the bathtub. Oh no, steps
and salts. When I played baseball, yeah, I was like thirteen,
so yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I'm all, yeah it was because when you're that old,
you're just anything goes. You don't care what the rules are.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
I want to say I disagree with Mick a little bit.
I think having sets beat staying relaxed. Yeah. I like
the staying relaxed, good positive mood. Yeah, you're in a.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
In a flow, you know the uh then when you
go celebrating other movies having sex before the big game? Yeah, yeah,
the my my celebratory you know back in the day.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
I mean I was hungry as fuck, so I would
go eat. That was my I was like, I need
to eat something now.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
So that the Kpboxy Tornament was sponsored by Schlitz Maalt
liquor is even better. So when I was done it
dressed you know, street clothes, I was so excited. I
was like, freaking beer, it's free, It's gonna be awesome.
And let me tell you, it's not.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Switch is not good. Not speaking, which one was it
in the movie? Was it schlitz Er Smitch that Paulie
was drinking? Was it sl Slits It was Schlitz or
was it Schmit's. I think it was Schlitz in the movie, Yeah,
because Schmitz is still around. I haven't seen Schlitz in years.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yeah, it was bad beer. That bar was also interesting
in the movie. It was PAULI in the bathroom or
is that like a back office? Seems so bizarre rock Yeah,
but did he call it the steam room?

Speaker 1 (39:40):
He did?

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Yeah, He's like, where's paul He's in the steam room.
He's in the steam room in the back, and it
was like dropping the steamer, right, So that can be
taking all kinds of ways. I'm thinking to myself, is
that a good bar idea? Maybe it's a bar and
then you put a steam room in the in the men.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Dropping a dude like oh cool, I'm gonna walk and
talked to him.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Right, he had no problems walking in the bathroom with
the broken mirror.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Maybe maybe you know, you go back into the behind
the behind the door, you knock on the door like
a speakeasy, and you go back there and it's like
the Russian bathouse steam room back in there, girls and guys.
I would that may I think we have a new
idea for you need.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
A big Russian back there to keep order, because oh sure,
oh yeah of course.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
But Apollo, when the time for fight, he comes out
still just a showman.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Well, like not taking this serious. He's positive, right, they
can beat this.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
So you think that at that point, by the time
the guy other guy pulled out, he had put in
almost a full camp, you know, he had he had
he'd been training for a while, so yeah, so he
didn't look out of shape or flabby, but he had
a he had he was in it.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
And they gave Rocky five weeks.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
That was just five weeks of Creed probably doing light
work and mostly business.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Yeah, right, and so and so Rocky he's doing his
training montage. He's running from the ghetto to.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
In Philly.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
He's running up the steps. Yeah, up the steps. He's
got like a cramp whatever. He's like, oh yo, it sucks,
you know, and then you know, he could barely make
up the steps, and then he realizes, oh shit, I
got to actually walk home, you know, because nobody's gonna
get me a ride.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
That sucks.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
They don't know who I am yet.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yeah, yeah, the whole training ramp to the steps, that
that theme song, I thought, brilliant.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
I thought that in this one. Now I was wrong,
but I initially thought in this one, you know, because
they're doing the montage. At the end of the montage,
she's running and the kids of Philly like, is that
like two or three?

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Three? Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, I think, yeah, I'm not sure, but yeah, I
think maybe it's two. Because everybody knows him now right again, And.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
The same thing was happening in my brain when he's
running like, well, yeah, one guy chucked him in Apple.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
I was like, how comes no one's joining him on the.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Run, right, Yeah, it's definitely a different another movie, right, Yeah,
So he gets them with his training and uh, you know, Apollo,
I gotta tell you when they start fighting and they're
getting loop up in the in the in the back room.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Greased up, everybody's getting greased up.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Well, the end of his training montage, wherefore it goes
in the fight, Yeah, him on the oh well doing
where they literally built a statue and him on top
of that right the steps there was at the museum,
but but it's not a museum.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
But then after the training montage, just when he goes
and snuggles in the bed and he's really down.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Well he went for the walk like he started thinking
about the fight the day before.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
I went to the right now, yeah you know.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
And then he was like to go to the dos
and Talia is like, hey, I needs the bone, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Well he's like have you seen this bed? Just not
on the bed it's way too small, you know.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
And then she gets kicked out of her house because
because Pollie's being a dick. He's a dick, He's beating
stuff up with a bat. You know, you know he
has a bit of a dick.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
That's like, that's like the last you see of Pouli
is he gets drunk and over hears him saying like
I can't I can't talk to Grauso about Polly because
he doesn't know nothing about fighting or whatever. You know,
which is true because you think this roll poly little
fox is gonna go roll up on some dude at
the docks and demand money, like right, No, he's gonna
get the ship beat out of him.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Right, Maybe not, because Paulie looks like the kind of
guy would roll up on a dude and just start
hitting with a bat.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
He wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Like he did say I don't have any problem breaking
thumbs or whatever.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Yeah, Or maybe are they going a bottle of that
booze out of his pocket and smash it on the
ground and be like hold him.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
It's like wait a minute, I gotta pop eye up
and pulls the splash cout.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
So I think Pauli would actually be better than stallone
if this guy really wanted legs broken.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Yeah no, yeah, because he would have no qualms about
doing It'd be like yeah, yeah, and someone was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
They can't go back to work, you know, so then
what's your face?

Speaker 4 (43:44):
So Talia Shire, she's Arian, She's they have their big
outing and she's like, hey, do you want a roommate?
You know, to Rocky and he was like you do
like Turtles, Moby Dick of Lincoln movie Dick. She's like, yeah,
I sold you. Oh I know you sold them to me,

(44:07):
But I just.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Tell the story. Was it my kids? Uh?

Speaker 3 (44:11):
My kid, my one kid? Also like man, he just talks.
None of it makes He's just like says words. Well,
he's also nervous to talk, sir.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
That's I was like, have they ever not been like
I've just been confident on every girl they've ever been around.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Let me record you saying hi, yeah to a woman.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Maybe you would be like, oh hey I got long hair. Yeah,
I've been growing it for like five years. It's good.
How do you know? Like what makes you think you
have gay? Bro? I lived weights?

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, because like Adrian's like the hottest girl. He thinks
she's the hottest girl he's ever met. Yeah, like, go
up to the hottest girl you've ever met and just
start talking coherent sentences. Yeah, exactly, especially at thirty, like
not not at like older age where you have experienced
no first I assume kind of his first girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Yeah, thirty, lacks confidence, everybody's always shitting on him.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Lives in a shithold.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yeah. Yeah, he started saying something like that. It's just
like that kid in that clip on the news. He
was really nervous. When they're like, what do you so,
what do you think about the fair? He's like, I
like turtles.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
You know.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Sometimes you're like, ah, I don't know what to say.
You open your mouth and you're like, wow, I'm just
gonna go home and hide.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
I can't believe I just said that.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
We should look that kid up. Where is he at now?

Speaker 1 (45:26):
That's right, it's probably forty now.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
It's a corporate corporate, So so she moves in. He's worried,
he's he's down on himself. He visits the arena, he
sees it and he talks about how the shorts are
the wrong color, and the the guy, the promoter. I
was like, so what and you know that kind of

(45:50):
a thing.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Right, he basically and I think that just like cements
his doubt of like how well he's gonna fight because
the guy's basically tells him like, it.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Doesn't matter, you're gonna lose.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
It's just for show, buddy, Like, let's like we're just
put on a good show and get some We're gonna
put on a good show for him.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
And then day comes and Rocky he obviously had a
little nookie that night before because he was very relaxed.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Day of he was just like chilling here, you know,
hey whatever.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
You know, he was super relaxed. Everybody's getting greased up.
So they put something on Apollo Creede's face and under
Rocky's eyes, grease just that so that when if they
get the gloves, the glove doesn't cut.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Yeah, gotcha. So they're they're getting all oiled up and get.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
Greased up when you find maybe that's why you end
up in the number two spot.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
You know. The other guy was like slick with grease,
you know.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Uh, And he goes out and uh, I gotta tell you,
Apollo Creed Carl Weathers looked.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Great fully oiled. I gotta tell you, man, that guy
was shiny, which becomes the thing in Rocky movies.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Everybody from this point out as just oiled at every.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
Oh my god, I was just like, wow, that guy
he could slide down a flat plane.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
I tell you that Hockey three. He definitely had all
the oil because he was really shiny. Yes, yes, he was.
Everybody anybody had took their shirt off automatically, maybe oil
appeared on.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Oh my god, there was so much. And it had
to be some oil that lasted too. I want to
know what oil it is, because I think if if
I put all that job, like reapply oil had somebody
to be a oil.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Person, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Ooh girl, let me get over here.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Can we get the abs here? I need to get you.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
Just oil me up, oil me up. I want to
be fully oiled by somebody.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
I mean to look like them. I would have to
like get a.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Full body shave, and there would be some you don't
need to remove your hair, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
I wouldn't remove my hair. I would look like like
a slippery wheel.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Wasn't it wasn't shaved shaven on his chest. Think later movies,
he might have been Oh yeah, there, that became the
whole rotten thing.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Yeah, everybody nobody here.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Yeah, but this one still the seventies, yeah, so, and
he was still a little soft, but that's okay. He
was young in the end. The series the whole nine.
He didn't get really dialed in until later. Uh on
three he was.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, yeah, ripped, so ripped.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
There was a gently even before Predator obviously, but even
in Predator. I don't know if Predator came before or
after Rocky three, but Carl Weathers was his bicassadges.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Oh yeah. They had that scene, the scene with him
and Arnold you know.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Dyn you son of a bitch, And I thought he
was in great shape in this movie, but he gets bigger.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Throughout his career, right right.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
And then they fight and it goes to like a
couple of rounds, some of the shortest rounds on the planet,
gets a round three, and then they do that time.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Lapse, which I actually kind of like the time lap.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Was the first the first round when he knocks him down,
like he's hammering away on the jabs and all of
a sudden boom, quick upper cut, and it's like, oh shit,
he's got it.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
That's when they're like, oh, he's got a chance, he's
got a chance.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Knowing that he and you said like if you count,
like out loud, while the movie's going like he's down
for ten, Like the fight's over. Rocky wins in round one.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
I'm sure the editor was like, I'm not count of ten.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
I'm trying to make it a really interesting and I
and I, but really it's like I do think I
like the fact that it was like you're sitting there
watching it, going like that was ten yea, but Rocky
keeps coming in the region, so he gives.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Him the long ten.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
I was like, I kind of like that, whether they
did it on purpose or not. I like the idea that, yeah,
it could have been over right, you could you even
if at the end, when you know split decision victory
to the champ, you can look back and have the
conversation of like like, well, technically Rocky one in round one,
like they give him the long ten.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
You know, I haven't seen two in a long time.
Maybe some of that comes into part two.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah, well, I mean that's the like the end of
Rocky one ends with them not knowing what the franchise
is going to be. Like the end of Rocky comes
where you hear Apollo like there's no rematch, there's no rematch,
and oh but I guess what happens in Rocky too.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
But then they got that.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Then their bank accounts filled up and they're like, oh, yeah,
it's a rematch.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
So do you think that that extra long ten is
the main contributor to the long three that they would
give in professional wrestling? Right, because all of that, I mean,
there was still professional wrestling at the same time, but
it wasn't as mainstream until later, until like the eighties

(50:34):
and whatnot. Do you think they were like, oh, well,
you know, the delay and delay. But they got that
idea from Rocky One. I think Rocky One is a
birthplace for a lot of like conceptual ideas in all
kinds of stuff.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
I'm think you're making it up right to say that
was the pressional wrestling was around before Rocking And I'm.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Sure, yes, yes it was, Yes, it was. I'm sure they.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Were doing like long threes and stuff way before.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
That without footage. It didn't actually happen, didn't happen?

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Sorry, that goes fifteen rounds, it does, and it goes
to a split decision.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Well, and they because, like, to you guys's point, it
wasn't really a sports movie. It was more of a drama,
you know about the underdog story itself that they did
like the first couple of rounds and then they did
like the time laugh.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
So I did get like she's like they have the
ring go at three and now a sudden she just
fades into sad. What WHOA three to seven is?

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (51:27):
And then there's round and then they go to like twelve,
and I was like, yo, how many rounds are in
this fight?

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Oh yeah, I mean back in the day they had
they boxing matches in twenty some rounds. I'm like, what, yeah,
I'm good with the one. What twelve now?

Speaker 3 (51:39):
So it seem long for a show. Yeah, yeah, you know,
you think it would be a little shorter, but yeah,
I know, fifteen rounds. Even at the end, the last
apology almost is like fuck, like I gotta do this
one more time, one more round?

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah right, oh yeah, I love they both they both
walk out of their corners and the last like at
the beginning, it's just unbelievable amount of punches are thrown
in that fight, Like in the early rounds, like for
a regular box a Mount's just an unbelievable amount of
punches are thrown. And then at the last they finally
come out there just like dragon ass both out of
the corner like there's no punches for a good what
ten to fifteen seconds.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
They're just kind of like, is that coming into the
fifteenth round? Yeah, we get the famous uh can's see
it was like cut me, you cut me? We get that.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's yeah, that's and I love
like watching it as a kid, I didn't realize, like,
you can't just cut someone like because mixic I'll try
to hide it and they like, you know, the cutman
like hides in his hand, like rubs his eye. It's like, yeah,
that's not legal.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Click, yeah, you can't see, like it's over. Fights over.
I did completely miss. I was like, you got one
good I get out there. You know.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Back when I first watched this movie, Joe Fraser came out,
you know, and in the beginning of the movie, team
actually brought him out, and I was like I could
see Joe Fraser and he was like, oh, you're next,
you know, Big Joe. And Joe's like, I know he's
you know, doing whatever. I think he could do it
in his head. He's like like, you're ducking me. You've
been ducking me. Yeah, And I'm sure Joe Fraser was
like I would kill you in a second. He's like

(53:11):
it must be friends.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I did love that he comes over shakes Rock and
his hands like, oh, it must be.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Friends, you know. And then so So gets to the
end of the fight and going to the body, go
to the body, Rock go to the body.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
And then finally goes to the body with breaks a
few ribs and then the final gladiators come out to
the end.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Great, great finish with the movie. Yeah, you know, Rock Rock,
how do you feel I did?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
I mean, I worked with the movie because it is
because we all know the franchise now, but back in
the day, you're still hoping, you're holding out hope for
Rocky to win. Yeah, the hebro to win, even though
like he already won in his head. He won because
he made it.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
He made it. He's the only one fifty thousand dollars check. Yeah,
he made it to that and he got the girl.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Yeah, but it's funny, like, unless it was just the
DVD I was watching, Like, hear the announcer, You're like,
because it's chaos in the ring, everybody's jumping in, it's chaos,
and they announced this, you know by it's a split decision.
But I never really hear him announce who won and
give the hand up almost.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Like that's not quite important what Rocky just did.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Uh, they stopped focus on like Apollo did he get
his hand raised?

Speaker 1 (54:31):
He almost became not as important.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Because he raised up his hand, but only after announced
the first that the split decisions, right.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
I think they were actually announcing like the winner, Like
what by split? It goes to split where normally they're like, okay, round,
we're card one, card two, the winner.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
But you think they just said I think this went
like yeah, they usually do it like Judge whatever scores it,
you know, you know, two three for whatever.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Yeah, they always say that. I guess they just skipped.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
So they really glossed over, which still intentional because it yeah, yeah, nobody,
nobody gave a ship.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
You're supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
It's really about holy how he went fifteen rounds freaking Adrian.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
She was told to stay in the locker room. You
know that bitch is out wandering around, right, you got
a great outfit. She wanted to show it up. Yeah,
and wah. From the one side that he was like, yo,
stay here.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
And if I told my wife stay here and I'm
gonna go right and fight in fifteen rounds, she'd.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Be like fuck you man, I watched a fight.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
I could see him like, yeah, not one, thinking he's
gonna probably get a bloody beat down, right, and he
didn't want hurt, like you don't watch don't watch this.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah, she gotta be thinking like stuff might be going
okay because he wasn't back within like ten minutes.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
Right right, you know, And she's like this kind of sucks.
It smells in here? Can I can I leave? He
was didn't want me to go anywhere, but.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Yeah, I probably didn't have like a TV back there
for her to watch the eventor and then she said
listen to the cheers.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Oh yeah, like like what did she think of that
first round? Whenever he knocks Apolo on the canvas crowd,
it just goes nuts, Like she's just like, what was
something happened?

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Yeah? Yeah, she's probably like Rocky is dead.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Yeah, and I'm single again some of it And then
and then Polly does the probably the first good thing
in the movie is when he's fighting with the cop
or whatever he was trying to hold him back and.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
He's like, you messed up my suit.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
She's like Polly and he lifts up the road for
to sneak and I was like, okay, so Polly's.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Polly's like, there's nice, there's.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
Yeah, there's not being an a hole, fake pa.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
I love the fact that Rocky is on the way
to the ring.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
He's like, rock rock I paid to him. She costs
me two fifty dollarss like you say at that hot blonde.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
I'm like, is it just the boxing match?

Speaker 4 (56:46):
You see?

Speaker 1 (56:46):
I feel like you paid thwenty four.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Is it just an escort to the ring or is it.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Just cracked it up?

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Like, oh, you got three grand from that meat packing
advertisement and you already blew two fifty of it right
on a date for the for the boxing match. Yeah,
financially responsible, Polly.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
So then that's it. They meet up in the ring,
she gives him.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
She comes in the ring, and they're all hugging and kissing,
and he's telling the reports to screw off, and I
just want my woman and like yelling for her like
a he. So from Rocky's point of view, she's still
in the locker room until she finally shows up, and
he's out there screaming at her, screaming for like like

(57:29):
he's got a broken leg.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Like he's got a broken leg, Like he like she
can hear him.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
You know she's I mean she could because she didn't
stay in the locker room right right, He didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
He didn't know that. He's you know.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
But again, like another iconic moment, Like how many people
over the years have just yelled Adrian for whatever reason.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
I do it all the time, just so just when
I get done, go to the bathroom step She's like,
leave me alone. You wipe your own ass. Yeah that's Rocky,
that's Rocky.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yeah, you kind of touched on how like a bigger
fan your your wife is of it when we were
talking earlier, and but that was like, that was one
of the biggest things. I didn't look up a lot
of like behind the scenes stuff I meant to. But
the one thing I did love about this movie was
the fact that yeah, so lets did write the script.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah, he wrote it.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
It launched him to start him. But whenever he wrote
it and tried to sell the studios, they wanted it,
loved it everything, but they didn't want him to play Rocky. Yeah,
and he took like so much less money because he's like, no,
we're going to make it, but.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
I have to play.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
And he went to budget they had like twenty three
twenty eight days to shoot this entire movie, but they did.
I'm sure you all heard of a steady cam, like
this movie was maybe not invented for but us first
us in Rocky So you got to run up the steps.
It's really smooth. This kind of guy has the steady cam.

(58:56):
A lot of contraption, so the camera.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Just stays nice. It was on that phone.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
So yeah, the movie had a lot of first Yeah
it was. It was for you know, everybody thought of
it was just a boxing movie. But there's so much.
There's so many little tidbits that are first in a
lot of different ways that just populated the movie verse
there on, and it is.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
It is.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Disappointing and funny that like kids are like, that's just
movie's ass. I'm like, I I mean, at the highest critic,
I could be like, Okay, I get certain things, but
is it just because it looks like it's old, because
it is old?

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Because it is past? It was?

Speaker 3 (59:37):
I mean it was slow, right, oh, but I thought,
especially the first twenty thirty minutes, it's pretty slow. I
could see like these a younger generation just that with
the video game mindset and watching TikTok.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Hew uh yeah, I need to pick it up. Yeah,
but I did think that was like that part was slow,
but it was actually like a really good character development
to show like Okay, yeah he's not smart, he has
secialization and he is kind of a bum, you know,
he doesn't like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
His Like I thought it really pasture necessary.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Yeah, if they tried to push through that even short
runtime or cut you know, tighten that up, it's think it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Would have lost getting to know like this down and
out character. Well.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
And and I had mentioned to Stephanie, you know, just
an offhand comment, and I was like, you know, halfway through,
as he's before he's taken the contract whatever, and I
was like, oh, wow, Philly in the seventies is just beautiful,
you know, because there's just trash everywhere. And she's like,
she's like, yeah, that's the whole point of the story, idiot.

(01:00:38):
He was in the trash. He was a bomb, you know,
And that's what it was about. There's so many different
levels in the initial Rocky movie of like Slide wrote
this movie, he really did a kick.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Just the position between this one and when you see
the way he's living Rocky free. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Even like his apartment, I was looking at going like,
it looks like it survived a fire. Yeah, because it
was just dirt everywhere, like black rubbed on everything to
make it look just dingy and dirty. And everyone. I
was like, because there's some parts that were nice because
they actually looked like it. Oh, it's just dirt from
like where like where you grab something all the time.
But other parts is like, no, it just looks dirty

(01:01:18):
where they were dirt on places to make it look so.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Cra dirty, depressing, yeah, uninviting. Yeah, and it's and it
was just one of those things. I was like, Wow,
Slider put this together. I mean, man, hats off to you. Man,
this is the hell. Well he wrote the screenplay, yeah,
but the art director is one helped bring some of that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Oh now you're taking it away from him. That's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
He was nominated for Best Actor, yeah, uh, and it
was nominated for screenplay, but it won Best Director and
Best Picture nineteen seventy seven Oscars, So gotcha. But like
seven or eight nominations plus, So, I mean that's it's
pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
It is pretty crazy that. I mean, he's not in
the right genre to win awards, but he never won
for any of these roles. But they finally like he
was on me for Best Supporting Actor in one of
the Creed movies that was the kind of the spin off.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Of Yeah he was. He was really killing that one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
He was freaking amazing as like almost taking the Mickey
role and still like even with I thought for sure
like the Groundswallow support, like hey, this iconic actor of
our time like and still didn't win. I was like, God,
what does he have to do?

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Throw a dog of bone? Man? I mean, I know
he did Ryan Stone. Somebody on the oscar board needs
to bone. Yeah, okay, he needs to bone. Have they
never watched Judge Dread? I know, cinematic masterpiece? Come on? So? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
I shared when I was trying to figure out I
have an Instagram problems till Mark showed me I'm not
that smart either, Uh I shared. I shared a story
and it was someone talking to Sylvester Stallone and Arnold
Swartzinger and they said, so like of action movie icons
like the Mount Rushmore, whatever you want to do, like
you you are two of these guys that unquestionably are

(01:03:00):
us are sloan on. So two guys on the Mount
Rushmore of action movies, like who would you fill the
rest of that up with? And I was like, fuck,
has to be even Van dam One?

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Yeah, how many guys? Like five? So how many faces
around Mount Rushmore? Four?

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Okay I didn't guess the first part, so yeah, like,
uh so the four And it was like in my head,
I was like, Van Damn has to be one, but
I don't know who the last one is?

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Yeah, Van Damn because such icon of eighties movies.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
I'm not saying he's great act or anything, but he
made but we.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Got to we're keeping it in that time period eighties
early what if you go all time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Movies, so short of a like, I don't think his
career win as long.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
You know, yeah, but I think what he did within
that his career uh is still talked about today. True,
So he's he's the epitome of a legend in my
head all time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
I almost went uh like instead of Bruce Leek, just
because it's in that genre and he was kind of round.
I was like, maybe Chuck Norris is one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Chuck Norris.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Okay, I had someone reply, I forget who applied on
the story, but Harrison Ford was. I was like, no,
I don't know that he's he had some good actions.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
He has a good action, but just not he had
Connick he had in the realm of like Rocky right, and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I mean Indiana Jones great action.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Great action franchise. I just.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
It's it's hard because he's not He doesn't his physical
look doesn't fit them all that you're looking for. That's
the only thing that really draws me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Back from here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Has range, he can actually act. Why pittonholes some of
the best actions of stars, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Like act for nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Yeah, yeah, it's not like still, I mean, Arnold's not
that grave an actor really, but he does bring a
presence like he's just commands.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
That I would put Jackie Chan up there for Bruce Lee. Yeah,
I totally disagree over I'm now. The only reason I
say that is Jackie Chan's influence is considerably larger than
Bruce Lee's. Bruce Lee's career was so short.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Well, I would disagree with that too, though Jackie Chan
had much longer career because well, Bruceley died.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Yeah, but what Bruce Lee did and the legend it made,
and the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Fact that people still love all the movies talk about him,
make documentaries about him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
This guy, he is what, he is, immortal.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
I think I would still put I think that his effect,
that Bruceley's effect on the world and movies is bigger.
It's far reaching, but I would put I would put
Jackie chan on there over Bruce Lay.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
I'm craping on Jackie chan The guy does his own stunts,
and he's.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Been in the business for a long time and he
does it. Man, Damn yeah, yeah not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
I mean, if you go.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Modern like I see, I wouldn't put the rock on
the rock now. I just don't think he's that great,
and I don't think his these are that great.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
I don't He hasn't had the Blockbusters or like the
Iconic franchise or anything, and said, but who I really
like is an action star. That is Jason Stathum. I
think he ye, but I don't think he can makemore either, right,
I don't know that he's on Mount Rushmore. But I
was like, because he doesn't have them, he's not the
draw that the other three guys. I do fucking love

(01:06:23):
him as an action guy, like he's had some like well,
I guess he had Transporter that was a big one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
But not one not huge.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
He's in their expendables.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Yeah, which I didn't like that movie at all.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Which one all of them, I love them. I enjoyed
because it did. I watched it as as a kid
going or a guy going.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
But then all the stars not Mickey Rourke, but you know,
I know he was, he is not.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
But then that's all I'm saying. But then you have
Mickey Rourkey have Bruce Willis. Bruce Willis, Yeah, I don't
consider him an action star.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Again. I think it's only because his body type. Isn't
that the other three guys want to put up there.
We're all jacked, and Bruce Willis was an action star,
but he wasn't. He's a but I guess he was.
I guess he is an access star. I guess because
the die hard things like that. Yeah, I just don't
view him because those are Christmas movies and he didn't
have like the fight scenes that he didn't have the

(01:07:16):
fight scenes that the other guys, right, you know, like
the one on one like fight scenes. That's not a
Bruce Willis thing. He's just been great action.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Movies, the same way John Wick h they're great action movies.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
But I went so you can out of Reis is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
An action star, right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Man, that's that's when you say that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
I hate when you say that out loud because I'm
not saying you're wrong, but I hate when you say that, Like, man,
these are such a good action.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
Movie right yeah, he put everything into those movies. I
don't know, man, I'm not taking away from that. Maybe wait,
what would you consider him? You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Asta I actually now you say, I was like, I
might put him on the on the fucking rock ye
over the matrix movies are all like action, that's action
sci fi. John Wick is a amazing French.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Okay, then why don't I consider him an accesstar because
you're an idiot?

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Because he's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Feed to me? Yeah, that's I mean, like he's he's
Johnny tomnic Yeah, hey that was a good movie. You
this is a thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
What it is is my perspective is being held by
that small uh uh factor of he doesn't have the
Arnold and sly body looks and the kind of style
of action movies they did his he's his builds different
and his action movies are wildly different than like Commando

(01:08:36):
things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
So I think so, Yes, you know what, I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
He's an access star in his own right, and his
movies are fun as hell.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
I would probably put my four just in this conversation
as the sly Arnold and uh Jackie chan and uh
what's his face?

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
No, you're kicking him off. I kick him off. He's
off the mountains.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Who's last time?

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Uh? K oh j and ke Jackie and Keanu Stallone,
switzernegger Fandamn.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Brusley.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Okay, all right, yeah me and I'm going I have
to go. It's it's tough because I hate I hate
putting dors always gets as I say, you know, I
might replace I hate putting vandam on.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
We need one. How many faces do we get on
that mantain?

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
He was huge for the nineties.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Outside that decade, yeah, yeah, you're right. He disappeared.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
He disappeared, well you know he was Texas Walker, Texas Ranger.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
That's Chuck North. I mean, uh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Fan damn disappeared. Yeah, but man, his movies are still
watching tall man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Like, well, if we're doing a nineties like, we do
a lot of nineties movies, so like it's every other week,
We're like, yeah, we could do it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Sandamn movie.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Yeah, he's in great he was, Yeah, but he's that
iconic action the muscles from us, muscles from russels.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
I guess he did what what blood sport was seventies,
late seventies, No, so kickboxer blood sports. So he was
eighties and nineties. All right, So those three and I'm
going to put put Keanu up there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Yeah, Okay, Kanu I think should be up on there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
He's a I fucking love everything he does.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Yeah, listeners, do you have a uh yeah not Rushmore
action stars. Email us swoll Cinema at gmail dot com.
We love we'd love to know cinema. Maybe you think
we're wrong, Probably are Yeah, I guarantee any anybody loves
Kana is probably like dear Mark, you suck.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I took it back, though I realized my mistake. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
We talked about some of his movies already, point break speed. Okay,
I take it back. He is an action star and
maybe Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure is an action movie.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Feeling Minnesota, big action movie.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Uh walk in the Clouds.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Nice? Nice? See now you're making me walk dot com
and back email us let us know, ye what else?
That's it? I think that's XT obviously two Rocky.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
To Electric Boogoo is this is October kind of like
october Fest where it starts in September but ends up yeah,
and October is like, so we're.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Still doing in November. It's rock Rovember. Rovember kind of
rock November, and if it takes it till December, well
you get you get the rocks, you get rock Somber Octmber.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Cool, Okay, until next time. Keep living that weight, bitch
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