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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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All right, Stockholm mea the red face of white supremacies
here with us, and it's gonna be a different vibe
(00:49):
of the show because she's actually going to lead the
way today. She's got She's done extensive research, nearly thirty
minutes worth to be exact, and she's gonna I'm just
fucking with you. She's done extensive research on a topic.
Like we talked about last week. We all know WTF
Wednesdays we take a break from political and social commentary
(01:12):
and we get into the macabre, the spooky, the paranormal,
the terrifying. And this week, well, I'll let her talk
to you about it. Go ahead, So what are what
are we doing this week? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Sorry it was yawning.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I stopped doing that.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I know, as promised last week, Like before, I am
going to talk about d and Lorraine.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Warren from The Conjuring, Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well, from The Conjuring, Annabelle and Amityville, the Amityville Horror
m they were all of those.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I didn't know they were the Amityville.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, I didn't know that either until I started doing
the research and you messed up my pictures. Here.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I put them in alphabetical order.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I know you did. That's not what I wanted, an
order of the cases. But this is them.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Okay, they don't look like how.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
They look in the movie.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
No, they're fatter and uglier.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, they're a lot uglier than they are, aren't we all?
But Okay, So he so ed was a self proclaimed demonologist.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
What is a demonologist?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I didn't know what that was.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Is it like a biologist studies animals and a demonologist
studies demons? I mean, how do they get the DNA samples?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
He grew He said he grew up at a haunted
house and he could like sense demons. So he schizophrenic
blamed self proclaimed demonologist.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Can you go to school to be a demonologist? I mean,
how does this work?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I don't know. It's they're just self proclaimed.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Oh boy, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
And then she was a medium, so.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
She's a grifter. Yeah, got it that.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
She could see auras around people since she was like
seven or eight.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, I could see auras too, And then I realized
I was just tripping shrooms all the time, and I
stopped and I didn't see him anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, so they're both a little qq. But their first
like formal documented case was in nineteen fifty two. It
was the Bridgeport poltergeist case. There's not a lot of
like reliable or specific information on this, yeah, because it
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wasn't like that one wasn't super well documented, like well it.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Was nineteen fifty two. It's not like they were making
a TikTok series about it.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, they're not gonna go put everything online.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And netflixts showing up. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Know, it's like the very first one. They didn't know
to like document all this stuff. Yeah, so there's not
a lot of stuff known about that. But after that
first case they founded the New England Society for Psychic Research,
actually the oldest ghost prestigious. Yes, it sounds very fancy.
It's the oldest ghost hunting organization in the United States.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, I don't know how to be a part of that.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
But is it still active? And can I prank call it?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It's a good question.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
What's it called. I'll look it up.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, look it up, the New England Society for Psychic
Research Nesper nesper.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
That's what a lot, a lot easier. Yes, it is
still there. There, it's still a thing.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
It's still signed people up.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh, perfect, I'll get some. I know just who I'm
I know just who I'm gonna get signed up for this. Perfect?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But oh so they were also devout Catholics, which influenced.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Their medium and Catholic don't really mix.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Well, I mean, if she says she's a medium, then like,
I guess if it's like something that's like she can't.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I don't know, they're not. You're not supposed to go
seeking that shit out, That's all I've been told.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah. But so because of that, they viewed a lot
of their hauntings as demonic, and they frequently worked with priests,
and people were very critical of this, which we'll kind
of talk about later on.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I can just imagine my grandma hearing they worked with priest.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
But yeah, so we'll talk we'll like dive deeper into
that later. But yeah, and they had over ten thousand cases.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Wow, they stayed busy, they did.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
They had to make that money.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, what's their net worth?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Oh, let's see.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, I don't know if if I'm just curious, I
want to know how much they made off this, because
it was obviously very, uh, very lucrative for him, or
they wouldn't have kept doing it. Four million, okay, because
I mean they mean more than me, so I'm not
going to scoff at it. But I was thinking it'd.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Be more books. They had their little museum, and then
they had all the like movie and TV deals and stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
That's all. They only made four million off those movies.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I don't know that says four million, are.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
They still hold on? Hold on hold, There's no way,
because those movies grossed like hundreds of millions of dollars.
If I remember right, this.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
One says ninety oh combined ninety seven million.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
That makes more sense, yeah, because it might have been
four million before the movies. But those movies made dummy
cash at the box office. I remember I saw all
of them, the Conjuring and all that Annabelle. Annabel two
was like the nun I didn't see the newer ones,
I guess, but yeah, they made a fuck ton of
movies out of them, so I figured it'd be they'd
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be pretty well off.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Oh yeah, because those movies were huge.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Oh yeah, they were massive. It was uh well, because
you remember, like.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Feel like those kicked off like a whole new genre
of horror.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
It did, because do you remember, like you had like
the seventies and like the late seventies and then eighties slashers,
You had Michael Myers, Nightmare on Elm Street, Scream, Jason Voorhies,
all those, and then like in the nineties and two thousands,
horror movies fell off a cliff. They just all sucked.
You remember that it was I mean they I guess
like you had a couple with like The Ring and
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the Grudge and stuff like that, but horror movies just sucked,
and Insidious and the Conjuring really brought it back. It
was like, like you said, that new genre of horror.
It's like they were because you had the eighties had
the slash, and then the nineties and the two the
nineties kind of tried to piggyback the Slashers, and then
the two thousands were just lost. They had like mirrors
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and bathtubs and TVs and weird stuff like that, but
they couldn't really find their stick, and then demons kind
of took over the twenty tens.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, I think they did try and do too much
with Insidious, because I think there's.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Like four that's the one we watched that scared your sister.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Oh is it that one?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yes, yeah, I think there's like four Insidious movies out.
The guy who plays ed Ward is actually the dad and.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Insidious really yeah, Okay, so he's type cast.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, he's definitely type cast.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I should take that back. The nineties were a lot
of like psychological thrillers more than traditional horror. You had
movies like what was the one we just watched sixth
Sense stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, yeah, and then it was Yeah, I feel like
it was just like a like a revival, yeah, of
horror movies.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, okay, we went in a tangent there anyway, Oh,
let me go back.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Okay, So going into their cases, like some of their
major cases, annabel here is a cute little Annabell doll
in her.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I had one of those raggedy and doll. I had
raggedy Andy, raggedy Ann when I was little. Yeah, I
had raggedy I think my cousin had raggedy ann.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
But yeah, there she is. Sorry I had to. You're good, okay.
So the story of Annabelle it started with two roommates
nineteen seventy. One of them she received the raggedy a
doll as a gift from her mom.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
There wasn't a gift.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I don't know if I yeah, I don't know if
i'd like want to receive like a raggedy an all
from my mom.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Just don't like dolls period. They all creep me out.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Really, what about like barbies Barton?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Now, the bigger dolls, not like the little like eight
inch to No, those don't bother me. The big, bigger one, Yeah,
they all bug me.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, I can see that. But once they got it,
the doll began to move positions like on its own,
and it would appear in different rooms even though it
was left elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
So the mom had no red flash or was she
like I need to dump the shit on somebody like
a fucking STV.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I don't know. I don't know if the mom just
like got it or if she was like, I've done with.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
This, So we also a weird thing to give your
adult daughter.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Well that's what I was thinking too, She's trying to
pawn this off on her, Yeah, because I mean that's
what I was saying at the beginning, is I wouldn't
want like a doll for my mom, like because they
were in their twenties. It was like a childhood yeah,
But in the seventies, raggedy ann was like a really
big thing I think for kids. Wrong, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well, maybe if you were alive in the seventies, let
us know, did you have a raggedy hand? All drop
a comment on YouTuber rumble.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Well, not only that, did you have a raggedy hand all,
but would it be normal for you to receive it
in your twenties?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Probably not. If my mom gave me a doll, right,
I don't care how popular the doll was. I would
be like, what are you giving me that? Yeah, this
fucking thing right here, this little demon that we got
from some of our friends who we love, By the way,
but this thing creeps me out. Little booboo for those
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of you listening.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Okay, Another thing. They would notice parchment paper notes, which
they didn't own any parchment paper, but they would notice
the parchment paper notes would appear around the apartment, and
it would have messages on it that helped me.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I'd be wondering where the paper got in, Who's writing it.
I wouldn't go to the doll first, though. My first
culpra would not be the doll would be who's living
in my house? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Or it would be like, why is the roommate like
fucking with Why?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah? Are you fucking with me? You have to be
fucking with me. Even if I was sure, beyond the
shadow of a doubt that you were not fucking with me,
I would still think you were fucking with me. Before
I thought it was a doll, so, and then.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Another one is one time it left a small amount
of blood on its hands and chests.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
From who its own blood. The doll bled the doll,
the doll bloed the doll not stuffing no blood blood, Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Raggedy Ann had her little raggedy period.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, I was gonna say she had her her raggedy period, Yes, exactly,
I was.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Going to say that's and then another time she attacked
their friend.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
How did that happen? Look, I feel like if you
can't win a fight with a Raggedy Ann doll, you
probably just aren't gonna make it, you know. I mean,
of all the dolls, the possessed dolls, I'm pretty sure
I could kick a possessed Raggedy Ann dolls. Ass. You
can come at me like a possessed Gi Joe. We
might be having a different conversation here, but I feel
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like I would absolutely smoke a possessed Raggedy Ann.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I got attacked by cabbage patch kid doll one time
because it was they used to sell this cabbage patch kid. Yeah,
that would you could like eat like it was like
a you could like eat a feed it. Yeah, And
(13:48):
I had really like my hair right now, like, yeah,
it was like even longer.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
You had your Indian girl hair.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, I always had really long hair, and I got
my so they actually recalled it. But I got all
my toys at the thrift store, and so my mom
got this recalled cabbage patch kid.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Oh god, well.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
And then it ended up eating my hair.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Oh my god? How did you just have to cut
it out? Or what happened?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
My mom like turned it off and ended up yanking
it out.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
That's horrific, though, that would be terror. It's like it's
like the little kid version of get in your arm
stuck in a conveyor belt at the factory, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't remember much because I was like four, but
I just remember like screaming and then.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
My oh my gott fold. Oh my.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I've never told you that.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
No, I heard about when that was happening, but I
didn't know that. That's funny. I didn't know that happened
to you.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah. I don't remember a lot because it wasn't like
my first like my old house, like the one the
like like old old house else that I lived in.
And I just remember being in my kitchen and my
hair is getting yanked that's all I remember. Keep forgetting
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that I'm supposed to be the one talking.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, you're the leader here. Yeah, second chair today.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Okay, I was really nervous at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
You're doing great. Yeah, okay, as good as a non
white could do.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Okay, I lost her. I was oh, okay attacking, Yes, okay.
So then the girls they contacted a medium and then
they said that it was the spirit of a young
girl named Annabelle, and it had attached annabel Higgins. She
had attached herself to the doll. Then after that they
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got in touch with Adam Lorraine Warren, and then they
actually determined it wasn't the spirit of a young girl.
They were like, you're alive. And then they determined that
it was actually a demonic entity that was using the
doll to manipulate the residents.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Oh yes, a demonic entitude demonic. How did they determine that?
Did they like sit it down and interrogate it like
a like a Law and Order SVU. Elliott Stabler grabs
it by the neck and he's throwing it around or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, he's making it even more raggedy.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
He's a good cops. She's a bad cop.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, I just don't understand how that would how you
would determine, how would you come to that determination out
the shadow of it? Also, how did people just get
in touch with people in the seventies did they Were
they just in the phone book or what?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I don't know how they did that, but I think
they so I actually, okay, so I misspoke. I don't
think they reached out to them. I think they went
I think Edna and Lauren Warren went to people.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Okay, So I hate to.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
But I still don't understand how they like found the
I don't know how that would work.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Back then because I don't know if you.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Put an add out in the newspaper.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah maybe, I don't know, because I don't know anything
about this case. So I hate to be mister skeptical here.
Before they went to the medium, before they went to
these people, did they ever just consider throwing the doll
in the trash, Like they live in an apartment, there's
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a dumpster outside, let's stick it in there and it
can be the landfills problem.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I think they did that in the movie and it
came back.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I saw the movies like fifteen years ago, so I
don't remember.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, I think they did that in the movie and
it came back. I don't know if that happened in
real life.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
That's what talking Tina did on The Twilight Zone. So anyway,
classic episode by the way, Okay, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But yeah, yeah, so I think it's like so I
kind of talk more about this like with like later
on when I talk about like their critics and stuff.
But she does like a seance kind of thing, and
then that's how they kind.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Of like Lorraine does Yeah, she'd she'd yeah, that's what
she does. Okay, and then they bring in like priests
and stuff. But yeah, so that's how they kind of
like determine the demonic entity. So then once they determined
that it was the demon, they then performed a house
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blessing with the priest to get rid of it.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Afterwards, once they did all that, they took the doll
with them for safe keeping, and then it continued to
show signs of supernatural activity, so they put it in
like a special glass case, which you can see right there.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
What's all this other stuff around it? Is that like
other artifacts or yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Because this is there a cult museum that they have,
so it's like all artifacts from all of the cases.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
So it's like that weird place downtown in Omaha. Yes,
he used to be in Springfield and.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, yeah, so okay, so I'll actually talk about this
right now. The museum I wasn't talking about later, but
I'll just talk about it right now really quick. So
oh so, yeah, it has a sign. She has a
sign that says warning positively, do not open. Yeah, And
apparently apparently a visitor ignored the warning and it mocked her.
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And afterwards, like when he was leaving, died in a
motorcycle accident.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
So I don't know if ghost or was he just
one of those motorcyclists that kind of drives like a dick.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
He is probably one of those motorcyclists that drive is
like dick.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
That's probably what it was. Yeah, I don't think Annabelle
summoned a semi truck, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah. But so the museum, it is now closed off
to the public, so it's in the it's in the
basement of their house. It's closed off to the public
right now, but it's open to like select people. And
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there was someone it was like a couple of months ago,
like a ghost hunter was there and then died what Yeah,
died of what died after the Annabel Doll.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
We should see if they can let us go there.
We'll do We'll do a film something there, and I'll
just be an asshole and we'll see if I die.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Okay, So in August, my Rife bought it and he
owns everything.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Matt Rife the Comedian's.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Matt Right the comedian. He owns everything until twenty thirty.
So he's going to open it back up and let
people stay the night there.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
What the hell? Okay, that's just the most random person
to buy it. I know they're dead, she said, what
are they dead?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
The warrens, Yes, he was just skipping, making me skip.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Okay, Sorry, I didn't mean I thought we already went
over that. I was trying to realize.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
He died in two thousand and six and she died
in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Okay. Also, he didn't even get to see the fruits
of his labor with the movies.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Oh no, he did it.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So he died a broke boy.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
He did.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, well, probably not that well no, probably still they
probably did. They were probably doing okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Because yeah, so they would do all of their cases.
They did those for free, but then they would turn
around and like write about them and then do lectures
and stuff on them.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Oh so it's like mister Beast when he gives away
ten thousand dollars but his video makes like five hundred thousand. Yeah, okay, yep, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
So next case, the next popular case is the Amityville.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Is that how you pronounce Amityville? Yeah? I only know
that because there was the eminem song mentally ill from Amityville.
Accidentally kill your family?
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Still, So okay, the Amityville horror case so starts kind
of back in nineteen seventy four when Ronald Dafoe junior.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, like Willem will Willem Dafoe, Willem Dafoe, who's that
spider Man?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Okay, like that sounds familiar, Okay, murdered his family. So
that whole thing happened. I'm not going to go into.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
That because it's not just I knew that.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, this isn't a crime podcast. No, I'm not going
to talk about that.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
He was unalived with the pew pew after being essayed.
Can be paused for a second. If I ever get
killed by a serial killer, use big boy words when
you talk about me on your tiktoks and podcasts. Just
say I got killed, Say I got shot with a gun.
Don't none of this puw pewed, unalive, stop it, stop it, Okay,
(23:38):
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So, as someone who watches or listens to crime pod
like crime podcasts, a true crime podcast, I'll say on
the actual podcast, they don't.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Say it like that because, yeah, that's censored.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
The only censor like that if they're doing it.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
But it really doesn't censor, not as much as it
used to. So so they're just being Yeah, they're being
obnoxious fucking millennials. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yes, So started with the murder, I guess I'm not
gonna go into that, not a crime podcast. But then
two years later, the Lutz family moves in, which I
don't know why you don't want to move into a
house where like a gruesome.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
A good deal on it. Murders? Were they Jewish?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
LUTs?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Is that a Jewish name? I'm gonna look it up.
If it is, I'm gonna laugh. I'm gonna laugh because
it's gonna prove it. Let's see here Lut's name origin.
Oh it's Germany. Okay, so the opposite anyway, So they moved.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
In and then here is oh sorry, when oh here
it is? Okay, you moved around all my stuff? Okay, yeah,
so here is the house.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, it's a big house.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It is a very big I mean, I guess, like
if you've got a good.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Deal on it, that's got to be like at least
seven bedrooms, maybe more, with a three season's porch and
another upstairs.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I mean, that's solid. I'd buy that house. I mean
standalone garage.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, they had let me see how many kids it was?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Hold on? I mean because because here's the thing, if
they had a bunch of kids. I hate to break
it to you, but when you the more kids you have,
the more money you spend, your options become more and
more limited. And when you get a house that can
give all of them their own room and you get
a screaming deal on it, a mass murder? What mass murder?
(26:02):
What are you talking about? Mass? I mean mass murder? No,
that's a hoax.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I don't know. I don't know if i'd want to.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Okay, how about that you can live in a normal
house with two bedrooms, three bedrooms, sorry, three bedrooms, three
bathrooms and six kids, normal size house like the one
we got right now. Or you can live in an
eight bedroom house with six kids, four bathrooms, basement, three seasons, porch.
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But some guy may have killed his family there. Let
me ask you what sounds worse, six kids in three
bedrooms or a haunted house. I think the six kids
in three bedrooms sounds scarier to me than a haunted house.
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I can ignore the demons.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I can't ignore my kids beating the shit out of
each other because they're living on top of each other. No,
you get that screaming deal in the house. No, no, oh,
you hang up some crosses and call it good. So
did the original guy kill his kids because of demons
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or did he just lose his mind?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
It was the sun?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
The original people that yeah killed the family, Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
The original people that killed him. It was the sun,
and I think it was because he I think it's
because he lost his mind. I don't think it was
anything to do with the house.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Okay, well, some people might believe there are still demons
involved there, but anyway I.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Continue, oh wait, wait, yeah, no, I don't know. Doesn't
say anything about spirits.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I personally believe if you kill your whole family, you've
probably got a demon you but anyway.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Well like a personal demon.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
No, a literal demon from Hell's possessed you, I think,
But that's his story for another time anyway.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Anyway, Okay, So yeah, seventy six still Lot's family. German
family moves in. So when they move in, the dad
said he witnessed his wife. Isn't this kind of funny
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transforming into a ninety year old woman and levitating above
them pans?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Do you do that every time you get your period?
That's nothing new. She's slipping me off off camera, you
can't see it.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
They also claimed to see slime seeping out of the wall.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Also, I didn't say it continue slim out of the walls.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I can walk out, okay. And then a pig like
creature that was menacing them.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
How does it menace you? How does a pig? What
does a pig like creature? First time? Second off, what
does it mean that it's menacing you? I'm gonna make
some bacon like wrapped flays, like if this pig like
creature doesn't get the fuck out of my house, how
about that?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And then knives would fly off the counters and then
point right at family members.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
That is a concern.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yes, that is. And then on their last night there,
they said that bang as loud as a marching band
could be heard throughout the house. And so then they left,
and then shortly after the Warrens came and looked at everything.
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And while they were there, Ed Warren was physically pushed
to the floor.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I uh, you would push me down.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Lauren felt an overwhelming sense of a demonic presence. And
then they also claimed to capture a picture of a
spirit in the form of I'm getting a spirit of
a form of a little boy in the stairway and
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here is no oh my gosh, you got these all? Okay, yes,
here it is.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
That's creepy. Yeah, yeah, that looks like Nightcrawler from X Men.
That that's creepy looking. I mean, it's an old camera,
so like it'd be hard to doctor it. But maybe
it's just like the flash.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
How would that be the flash? Though?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Is that the railing banister? Is that like the Could
that maybe be like, you know, like the head of
the railing and there's just light reflecting off of it.
Maybe because I don't see a body, I see a
face and I okay, but look, okay, but look go
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right over see the railing banister right there, right where
the so called head pops up. That's a different banister.
So it's right on the end. So I wonder if
that's the head of it. You see what I'm saying. Yeah, oh,
you don't have your mic. They can't hear you.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
So no, okay, point point for me.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Okay, So look here is the okay, So see how
all of these are smooth, right, Yeah, this one is
like ribbed. You see that this banister, Yeah, it's got
like indense in it. Why did you look at me?
Like that ribbed up? So that's ribbed like a condom. Yes,
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And then right where the ribbed one is just so
happens to be where the head is. I'm wondering if
that was like if there was like a head of
the because like you know, some of those like older
houses with the wooden railings, the one that's like the
anchor of the railing that holds it onto the ground
level of the floor will have a ball on the
top of it. I'm wondering if that's what that is,
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and it's just the lights reflect I know. I'm wondering
if the light if the eyes and the light's reflecting weird.
I don't know, have a shirt on. I could be wrong.
I could it could be a ghost boy, but it
could be a railing. I would need to see the
house during the day. We can go there, No no chance.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
But also this one is the Amityville one. A lot
of skeptic skip.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Skeptics.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yes, sorry, I keep.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Stop drinking that coke, then give it to me.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Okay, a lot of skeptical stump.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I was thirsty. That was my scam to get a drink. Okay, anyway, continue,
we're losing viewers. A lot of skeptics.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
A lot of skeptics do not They actually don't believe
this one is real.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
So this is a major one, the Amityville.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, they don't believe this one is real despite this
solid evidence right here.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I mean, that's as bad as good to some of
your guesty pics.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I'm not gonna but yeah, they don't think this one
is real.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, And then another case is the Conjuring one. So
the famous movie, and that is the Parent Family Haunting.
This one is in nineteen seventy one, Roger and Carolyn
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paren moved with their five daughters to my personal health.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
That's the haunting right there, that's the scary part.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
They moved to a two hundred acre farm house that
was built in seventeen thirty six.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah, why why would you want to be living a
home that predates this country. Of course it's going to
be haunted.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
It's like two hundred years old.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
So some things that started happening there they reported, like
strange noises, just like the typical stuff, like strange noises,
objects moving, and then foul smells with no clear source,
which I mean like you got seven people living.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
There, You got seven people there, You're in the middle
of nowhere. I mean animals do crawl under houses and die. Yeah. That.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
The children claimed to see apparitions. Some were peaceful, others
were angry or menacing.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Like the pig like menacing the day.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
It's the word of the day, like the pig like figure.
Beds would levitate, doors slam shut, voices would whisper in
the dark, and the mom would be The mom was
targeted the most. She was physically attacked and possessed at times.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Oh yeah, I remember that from the movie. Yeah. Yeah,
so then you kick out the weak ones.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
They do, that's why I see, I would be I'd
be gone, I'd.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Be target number one. I'd be talking shit the whole time.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
By the way. Last, by the way, it's been six
months since some retard put a curse on me because
I made fun of Tarot and nothing's happened, So I'll
make fun of it again. Your stupid card game is
a bigger waste of money than blackjack. Go ahead?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Oh uh so?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
When so?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Then the Warrens came to investigate, and then Lauren and
Warren she claimed to since the presence of a spirit. Uh,
that's Sheba, Sherman.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
That's Sheba's the name from the Bible, is it? That's
the horror that seduces King David that he goes and
as her husband sent off to war so he can
like fuck her.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Oh okay, well here. Bathsheba was a local woman who
was rumored to have practiced witchcraft.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Just not a good name. Guys out there, if your
wife's pregnant with a girl, do not name her Bathsheba.
For those of you that that was on your short
list of names, do not name her Bathsheba. There are
no no good juju with that name.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
She also sacrificed her child to the devil.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yes, Bathshiba's not a good.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Name, and she lived on the property in the eighteen
hundreds and was buried nearby.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
He didn't get arrested.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
No, I mean it was eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
I think it was still illegal to sacrifice her kid
to the devil in the eighteen hundreds, though I don't
have the law book in front of me, but I
still think that was illegal even all those years ago.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I don't think they gared.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I think they did because they burned people that like
had premarital sex because they thought they were wishes. I
think if they caught its sacrificed your kid to the devil,
you probably meet a very untimely and nasty end.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I don't know. Maybe that's why she died. Maybe that's
why she has a grave here. Maybe, Yeah, that's her,
that's her grave.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
It's cracked, it's a weak foundation.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, But they conducted they conducted a seance to try
and communicate with her. But during the seance, the mom
became possessed and was thrown across the room.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
It's almost like you shouldn't try to contact those things.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
So it didn't turn out too good. No, after that,
the dad asked them to leave because he was a
little worried for his family.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
See, I would leave, get my family out of this house.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
They actually stayed. They lived in the house until nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
The Warrens or the family.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
No the family, so the Warrens left, but the family
continued to live there until nineteen eighty until they could
afford to move. But the paranormal activity remained, so.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
They just dealt with it.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
They just dealt with it.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Dude, I would be if I was living with that
kind of shit and I couldn't afford to move, I
would have like six different jobs until I could get out.
I'd so fucking cracked to get out of that house
if I had to.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I mean, you've got five kids.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Like I'd work sick. I'd put the damn kids to work.
Show any town. Get a job at the grocery store,
Go turn dirt. I don't fucking care. We're getting out
of this house. You're all making money. Do you want
to be terrorized by demons every night? No? I'm sick
of it. So you're all going to work. I don't care.
You go work with the illegals at the landscape. Well,
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they just deported all of them. Perfect, So you've all
got under under the table below minimum wage jobs. You
can work perfect. There you go. We're getting the fuck
out of this haunted house though.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
But yeah, so they stayed.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I wouldn't. It'd be better to be at work than
at the house, is what it sounds like. I'd becoming
over the road trucker.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
We're moms just getting thrown around.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, I've been over the road trucker. You would never
see me again.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Oh, you're just gone. Mom's just getting thrown everywhere. Yeah.
But yeah, so then the Warrens, so they were gone. Yeah,
they didn't do anything, but they considered that case one
of the one of their most disturbing and complex hauntings,
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even though they didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Really like what's a simple haunting?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
I don't know, I don't know what it's simple haunting
would be. But like, they didn't really sell anything.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
No, they just went there and got kicked out, and
then the movie made it seem like it all got
tied up with a nice little bow.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, I feel like that's movie magic. Yeah, but yeah,
they didn't really do it. They just, yeah, they got
kicked out.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
They get the fuck out of my house.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
You just got my wife attacked. Now, Lee So what.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Is the house still standing?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Oh it is because there's a TikTok page for it.
You can follow it. Yeah, it is still standing. Yeah,
they should drop a bomb on it. On places like that,
control burn with the fire department. I feel like that's
the way to go.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Why would they? Yeah, why wouldn't they just like demolish it.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
It's a museum. Now you can go hang out there.
It's like a whole business.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Oh is it like a place you could go like
spend the night.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah. I don't know about spend the night. But there's
like a social media manager for it that posts videos
all the time.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Okay, next one, I think this is the last one. Okay, yeah,
last one. So this is the Enfield Haunting, which is
the second Conjuring movie. This is in August of nineteen
seventy seven. This is the one where the guy literally
had a heart attack during it.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Guy, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I don't think he died, but he literally had a
heart attack during it.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Do you remember that during the movie?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, during the movie.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Was it like an actor had a heart attack?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
No, it was a guy who was watching it.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Well, that was probably just coincidental.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
It was like it was that like a jump scared
moment and a guy like had a heart attack.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Well take care of yourself, guys, that won't happen to you.
Go to some pushups.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
But yeah. August to seventy seven, Peggy Hodge Hodge, Peggy,
she reported strange just disturbances at her house with her
four kids. They lived in London.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
First problem it was Muslim immigrants, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
No, they're white.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
No, that was That's what the disturbance was. Oh and
then they reported it and the police came and arrested
them for complaining about it on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yes, yes, but uh so furniture would move on its own.
One thing that would happen I think they like showed
this a lot in the movie is a dresser would
slide across the floor and there were knocking sounds that
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would echo all throughout the walls. Yeah, there would be
there'd be objects that would fly across rooms. Toys and
marbles were thrown.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Are they sure the house didn't just have foundational issues
that maybe it was a little off due to some
soil settling on one of it and stuff was just sliding.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Has anyone ever can I mean that could I'm not
even being a dick here. That could be when I
hear these stories. But old dressers were slide again, marbles
were rolling across. So it's like, well, first off, I
had a friend who works construction, and he told me, like,
you'd be like, do home construction. You'd be surprised how
many homes just don't get put on a totally level
(44:27):
a total get put totally leveled just from the get go.
And then I mean his houses get older. He use
an older house and talking about stuff sliding around. Foundations
start to go bad depending on the way your house
was built. So like, I'm not even in a dick here.
This literally just could have been a situation where half
of the house was fucked up and needed like an
eighty thousand dollars fix with stilts up inside of it
(44:50):
and stuff was sliding around. That could have been. It
wasn't that on that evil show, wasn't it? Something was
like that was going on. Yeah, there was like a
structural issue. Yeah yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Oh and then cold spots would appear, so I don't know,
new windows, Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Our whole basement's haunted cold spots, but only between the
months of December and February.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
A lot of the activity was centered on the daughter.
It was centered on one of the daughters, Janet. So
there are four kids, but a lot of it was
centered on one of the daughters. She was said to
have levitated, also been thrown from her bed and spoken
(45:41):
to by a guy's voice saying that he is Bill Wilkins,
Which is the guy? Yeah, he is the guy who
supposedly died in the house years.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Earlier, Bill Butt liquor.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Liquer. Her prices have.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Never been lower.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
So then in seventy eight, the Warrens visited and she
claimed to sense a demonic presence again, and Ed believed
it was a clear example of possession. But but, but
but the girls admitted later on that they fabricated some
(46:30):
of the events.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Some of So this is what's called a trickle truth,
which means all of it was a lot.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, but they insist that most of it was real.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Well, I bet furniture was sliding around and it creeped
them out a little bit, and they might have let
their imaginations get the better of it. By Jenuine, I
think I almost be willing to bet this is like
a structural issue with the house.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, and then well the thing is, so she was saying,
like the guy that was talking to her his name
was Bill Wilkins. But like all they had to do
is just a little bit of research to find out
that that's the name of the guy that worked or
that lived there previously.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, that wouldn't be hard.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, So the disturbances they would like continue off and
on until they just suddenly stopped. In nineteen seventy eight,
when that happens, yeah, the ghosties just leave they got bored. Yeah,
demons just go bye bye.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
I would say.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Bye bye, bye bye. It remains one of the most
studied and debated paranormal events ever recorded.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Hotly debated.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Huh yes, hotly debated, just like Adam Lorraine Warren. Oh, first,
here's a picture of the bedroom.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
This is the English one.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
The English one.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Yes, where are the muzzles.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
That's the girl. She looks like she's just jumping around
in her room having a good time.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
That's what it looks like to me. I mean, you
could show me this and it could have been like
a stock photo for like kids at a slumber party.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, so it doesn't Yeah, there's nothing really I don't know.
She doesn't look like possessed or anything. She looks like
she's just jumping around.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
No, of course, I don't know what a possessed person
looks like. I can't say I've met one, met some
people who I've wondered, but I can't say I've definitively
met one.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
So and then here is Lorraine Warren. This is what
she does too many No, this is what she does
when she is doing her like investigating, when she has
her like, when she's doing like her little like seances
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and stuff.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Looks like she's taken a nap. Now pissed. I'd be
if I paid someone to come to my house and
they just fucking laid down, get out of here. What
would you imagine? Hey, you call like a heating and
air guy to come fix your air conditioner and you're like,
all right, man, here's the AC. It's not cool in
the house down and he just lays down the fuck
out of my house. Dude, I'm paying you by the hour.
What are you doing? Leave?
Speaker 2 (49:26):
But yeah, So, there were a lot of critics of them.
So one of them, one of the uh, a lot
of one of the oh my gosh, sorry, uh one
(49:46):
of the critics that they had it was based off
of lack of scientific evidence because they a lot of
their photos and videos, well most of them couldn't be
verified in anyway.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Okay, but what scientific evidence can you provide for the paranormal? Yeah,
and I mean, I hate science cocks almost as much
as I hate paranormal grifters, So don't make me defend
these people.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
I was so okay, I was kind of confused about
this one, honestly when I was looking at it. And
then okay, I think this kind of goes into this
next one. I'm going to read these two together, and
then I'm going to ask you your opinions because I
have a question because I'm a little bit confused about it.
(50:38):
So also religious bias too, so, because they were Catholic,
they viewed pretty much all of the hauntings as demonic
rather than exploring huh sorry, rather than exploring other explanations
such as like mental health or environmental factors or just
(50:59):
like fraud in general. And uh so there was a
lot of criticism about that. Rather than so they just
like always like defaulted to demons.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
So I just like that, from what I understand, that's
a pretty common belief in Christianity is that ghosts do
not exist, but demons, and but demons do and if
something so I heard a priest say on a podcast
one time. He said, if you are communicating, And I
am not saying I necessarily agree with this, but this
is seems to be the like I don't want to
(51:36):
say dogma, but like the party line on this. I
saw a podcast with one of you know, there's like
this like kind of like celebrity type priests or whatever.
The guy was an exorcist with it from the Vatican,
and he said that ghosts do not exist. He goes,
if you think you're talking to your mom here on earth,
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he said, like through a ouiji border, a seance or whatever,
or you think you're seeing her at night, your mom,
if she's in heaven, she's having a good time. She's
not coming down. She'll be fought. She she can wait
seventy five years till you get up there too. That's
something pretending to be your mom because you're vulnerable because
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you miss her, and it's trying to communicate with you.
I'm not to get to you to like get its
foot in the door like a slee's bag vacuum salesman
kind of thing, and so it can get an enclose
the deal. I'm not saying I agree with that. I'm
not saying I disagree with that, but that is the
party line with Catholics and a lot of just Christians
(52:38):
in general, which is that ghosts don't exist. It's it's
demons pretending to be ghosts. So when they that does
not surprise me that they would see any and all
hauntings as demonic possession, because that is the belief amongst
a lot of them. So was that your question?
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yes, okay, yeah, I was kind of confused about that.
So that's that makes sense. Yes. Another thing that people
were critical about it they embellished a lot and were exaggerated,
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so they didn't work almost like a book or something.
They didn't work with these families as much as they
claimed they did for the Enfield Haunting, which is the
the last one.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, the British, the British one.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, they visited like very very briefly. But they took
a lot of credit for the investigation, like they profited
off the whole movie, like they wrote a whole book,
like did a whole action, Like they took a lot
of credit for this and they like very briefly visited
(53:58):
them a lot of it. A lot of the work, Yeah,
a lot of the work for this case was done
by like other people, but they took a lot of
credit for it. And that's like a common theme with
some of their cases is just like the exaggeration of
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their involvement.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
You know what, those other people should have wrote the
book if they wanted the credit part. So they how
many people are there ghost hunters? I mean there can't
be that many.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
A lot.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Start up a business they did.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
We should, Oh we should, Yeah we should.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
I'll just find shots. Make shut up, tell people like, yeah,
that's that's what that is.
Speaker 2 (54:47):
Man.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Something grabbed my shoulder when I was down there. Fucking ghosts.
Call me a fagot man? What you got going on here?
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Ass whole ghost?
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Another one is financial motives, which.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
That can't reach for most obvious.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, because like for their books lectures, they're involved, like
their Hollywood involvement. And then also to get people to
go to their museum, so they would do because they
all of from all of their cases, they would bring
like little trinkets and stuff like the Annabell doll, So
(55:31):
bring in more people to come, and then they had
some questionable investigation methods. Lorraine her ability for Lorraine's abilities,
and eds self taught demonology. His credentials were never verified.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
How do you verify who you call? Is there like
a state ghost hunter's license department, Like where is there
a test to a test, like a written portion that
you have to take?
Speaker 2 (56:05):
Or well, they weren't verified by any scientific or academic binding.
Speaker 1 (56:10):
Yeah, no, I mean if you're at the point where
you're if you're at the point where you're calling a medium,
are you looking for one who's been verified by a
scientific of course not. You kind of abandoned it at
that point.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, I don't know, Like I don't even know how
you would verify that.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
Yeah, that makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
They relied on subjective experiences and seances rather than like
documented investing investigative protocol. So it's kind of just like
like how she was basically trust me, bro, Yeah, really
like how she was doing right here, like her just
kind of.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
Like legged down, what's her thing?
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah, rather than like going in and like actually investigating
and like doing research and stuff. Is really her just
like h hang down and like yeah, trust me with
these like little seances that I'm doing. And then also
(57:16):
like some ethical concerns. Some families said they felt used
and manipulated by them. Yeah, which I mean, like, yeah,
I can see that if they're coming in and I
don't know, like trying to help you, but then they
just like leave. Yeah, especially like the ones they didn't
even help. Like there's a couple they just like didn't
(57:37):
even help at all.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yeah, but took credit for it though.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
Yeah, still took credit for it.
Speaker 1 (57:45):
So here's the thing. If you're gonna, as far as
I know, if you're going to use someone's name and
likeness in a book or a movie, they have to
get royalties. So are these people who they're claiming to
have helped are they Are they getting the cut of
this or how's this work? Are they changing names and stuff?
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I don't know if it's different if you're like writing
about like different cases, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
I think you might have to change names. I don't know.
I don't know how that works. I'm not a lawyer, but.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe, yeah, maybe you have to
change names. I don't know how that works. But yeah,
so that's it. And then yeah, he died two thousand
and six. She died twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
I was gonna ask if she'd do the show. I'd
probably be too old if we'd have to say once
her in.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
Wouldn't we Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
We'd have to do a little seance.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
Get what is a seance? Is that where you sit
around with like this? No, you sit around in like
candles and try to talk to ghosts or something like that.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
Yeah, I thank god.
Speaker 5 (58:54):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
Also another picture, This is a little boy they saved.
The caption said little boy that they saved from a demon,
and I thought it was funny because I was like,
well the demons.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Right next is the demon? Yeah? How did they save
the boy from its exorcism?
Speaker 2 (59:17):
Or I don't know. I didn't look into that story.
It was just a photo of them.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
I wasn't going to look into all of their cases.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Sorry, no, I don't blame you. That was more than enough.
That was more than enough. Well, if you have any questions,
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of the show because she's actually going to lead the
way today. She's got She's done extensive research, nearly thirty
minutes worth to be exact, and she's gonna I'm just
fucking with you. She's done extensive research on a topic.
Like we talked about last week. We all know WTF
Wednesdays we take a break from political and social commentary
(01:12):
and we get into the macabre, the spooky, the paranormal,
the terrifying. And this week, well, I'll let her talk
to you about it. Go ahead, So what are what
are we doing this week? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Sorry it was yawning.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I stopped doing that.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I know, as promised last week, Like before, I am
going to talk about d and Lorraine.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Warren from The Conjuring, Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well, from The Conjuring, Annabelle and Amityville, the Amityville Horror
m they were all of those.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I didn't know they were the Amityville.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, I didn't know that either until I started doing
the research and you messed up my pictures. Here.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I put them in alphabetical order.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I know you did. That's not what I wanted, an
order of the cases. But this is them.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Okay, they don't look like how.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
They look in the movie.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
No, they're fatter and uglier.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, they're a lot uglier than they are, aren't we all?
But Okay, So he so ed was a self proclaimed demonologist.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
What is a demonologist?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I didn't know what that was.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Is it like a biologist studies animals and a demonologist
studies demons? I mean, how do they get the DNA samples?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
He grew He said he grew up at a haunted
house and he could like sense demons. So he schizophrenic
blamed self proclaimed demonologist.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Can you go to school to be a demonologist? I mean,
how does this work?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I don't know. It's they're just self proclaimed.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Oh boy, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
And then she was a medium, so.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
She's a grifter. Yeah, got it that.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
She could see auras around people since she was like
seven or eight.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, I could see auras too, And then I realized
I was just tripping shrooms all the time, and I
stopped and I didn't see him anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, so they're both a little qq. But their first
like formal documented case was in nineteen fifty two. It
was the Bridgeport poltergeist case. There's not a lot of
like reliable or specific information on this, yeah, because it
(03:40):
wasn't like that one wasn't super well documented, like well it.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Was nineteen fifty two. It's not like they were making
a TikTok series about it.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, they're not gonna go put everything online.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And netflixts showing up. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Know, it's like the very first one. They didn't know
to like document all this stuff. Yeah, so there's not
a lot of stuff known about that. But after that
first case they founded the New England Society for Psychic Research,
actually the oldest ghost prestigious. Yes, it sounds very fancy.
It's the oldest ghost hunting organization in the United States.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, I don't know how to be a part of that.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
But is it still active? And can I prank call it?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It's a good question.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
What's it called. I'll look it up.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, look it up, the New England Society for Psychic
Research Nesper nesper.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
That's what a lot, a lot easier. Yes, it is
still there. There, it's still a thing.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
It's still signed people up.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh, perfect, I'll get some. I know just who I'm
I know just who I'm gonna get signed up for this. Perfect?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But oh so they were also devout Catholics, which influenced.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Their medium and Catholic don't really mix.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Well, I mean, if she says she's a medium, then like,
I guess if it's like something that's like she can't.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I don't know, they're not. You're not supposed to go
seeking that shit out, That's all I've been told.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah. But so because of that, they viewed a lot
of their hauntings as demonic, and they frequently worked with priests,
and people were very critical of this, which we'll kind
of talk about later on.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I can just imagine my grandma hearing they worked with priest.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
But yeah, so we'll talk we'll like dive deeper into
that later. But yeah, and they had over ten thousand cases.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Wow, they stayed busy, they did.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
They had to make that money.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, what's their net worth?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Oh, let's see.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, I don't know if if I'm just curious, I
want to know how much they made off this, because
it was obviously very, uh, very lucrative for him, or
they wouldn't have kept doing it. Four million, okay, because
I mean they mean more than me, so I'm not
going to scoff at it. But I was thinking it'd.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Be more books. They had their little museum, and then
they had all the like movie and TV deals and stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
That's all. They only made four million off those movies.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I don't know that says four million, are.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
They still hold on? Hold on hold, There's no way,
because those movies grossed like hundreds of millions of dollars.
If I remember right, this.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
One says ninety oh combined ninety seven million.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
That makes more sense, yeah, because it might have been
four million before the movies. But those movies made dummy
cash at the box office. I remember I saw all
of them, the Conjuring and all that Annabelle. Annabel two
was like the nun I didn't see the newer ones,
I guess, but yeah, they made a fuck ton of
movies out of them, so I figured it'd be they'd
(07:12):
be pretty well off.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Oh yeah, because those movies were huge.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Oh yeah, they were massive. It was uh well, because
you remember, like.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Feel like those kicked off like a whole new genre
of horror.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
It did, because do you remember, like you had like
the seventies and like the late seventies and then eighties slashers,
You had Michael Myers, Nightmare on Elm Street, Scream, Jason Voorhies,
all those, and then like in the nineties and two thousands,
horror movies fell off a cliff. They just all sucked.
You remember that it was I mean they I guess
like you had a couple with like The Ring and
(07:46):
the Grudge and stuff like that, but horror movies just sucked,
and Insidious and the Conjuring really brought it back. It
was like, like you said, that new genre of horror.
It's like they were because you had the eighties had
the slash, and then the nineties and the two the
nineties kind of tried to piggyback the Slashers, and then
the two thousands were just lost. They had like mirrors
(08:06):
and bathtubs and TVs and weird stuff like that, but
they couldn't really find their stick, and then demons kind
of took over the twenty tens.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, I think they did try and do too much
with Insidious, because I think there's.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Like four that's the one we watched that scared your sister.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Oh is it that one?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yes, yeah, I think there's like four Insidious movies out.
The guy who plays ed Ward is actually the dad and.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Insidious really yeah, Okay, so he's type cast.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, he's definitely type cast.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I should take that back. The nineties were a lot
of like psychological thrillers more than traditional horror. You had
movies like what was the one we just watched sixth
Sense stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, yeah, and then it was Yeah, I feel like
it was just like a like a revival, yeah, of
horror movies.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, okay, we went in a tangent there anyway, Oh,
let me go back.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Okay, So going into their cases, like some of their
major cases, annabel here is a cute little Annabell doll
in her.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I had one of those raggedy and doll. I had
raggedy Andy, raggedy Ann when I was little. Yeah, I
had raggedy I think my cousin had raggedy ann.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
But yeah, there she is. Sorry I had to. You're good, okay.
So the story of Annabelle it started with two roommates
nineteen seventy. One of them she received the raggedy a
doll as a gift from her mom.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
There wasn't a gift.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I don't know if I yeah, I don't know if
i'd like want to receive like a raggedy an all
from my mom.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Just don't like dolls period. They all creep me out.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Really, what about like barbies Barton?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Now, the bigger dolls, not like the little like eight
inch to No, those don't bother me. The big, bigger one, Yeah,
they all bug me.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, I can see that. But once they got it,
the doll began to move positions like on its own,
and it would appear in different rooms even though it
was left elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
So the mom had no red flash or was she
like I need to dump the shit on somebody like
a fucking STV.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I don't know. I don't know if the mom just
like got it or if she was like, I've done with.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
This, So we also a weird thing to give your
adult daughter.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Well that's what I was thinking too, She's trying to
pawn this off on her, Yeah, because I mean that's
what I was saying at the beginning, is I wouldn't
want like a doll for my mom, like because they
were in their twenties. It was like a childhood yeah,
But in the seventies, raggedy ann was like a really
big thing I think for kids. Wrong, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well, maybe if you were alive in the seventies, let
us know, did you have a raggedy hand? All drop
a comment on YouTuber rumble.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Well, not only that, did you have a raggedy hand all,
but would it be normal for you to receive it
in your twenties?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Probably not. If my mom gave me a doll, right,
I don't care how popular the doll was. I would
be like, what are you giving me that? Yeah, this
fucking thing right here, this little demon that we got
from some of our friends who we love, By the way,
but this thing creeps me out. Little booboo for those
(11:43):
of you listening.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Okay, Another thing. They would notice parchment paper notes, which
they didn't own any parchment paper, but they would notice
the parchment paper notes would appear around the apartment, and
it would have messages on it that helped me.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I'd be wondering where the paper got in, Who's writing it.
I wouldn't go to the doll first, though. My first
culpra would not be the doll would be who's living
in my house? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Or it would be like, why is the roommate like
fucking with Why?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah? Are you fucking with me? You have to be
fucking with me. Even if I was sure, beyond the
shadow of a doubt that you were not fucking with me,
I would still think you were fucking with me. Before
I thought it was a doll, so, and then.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Another one is one time it left a small amount
of blood on its hands and chests.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
From who its own blood. The doll bled the doll,
the doll bloed the doll not stuffing no blood blood, Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Raggedy Ann had her little raggedy period.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, I was gonna say she had her her raggedy period, Yes, exactly,
I was.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Going to say that's and then another time she attacked
their friend.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
How did that happen? Look, I feel like if you
can't win a fight with a Raggedy Ann doll, you
probably just aren't gonna make it, you know. I mean,
of all the dolls, the possessed dolls, I'm pretty sure
I could kick a possessed Raggedy Ann dolls. Ass. You
can come at me like a possessed Gi Joe. We
might be having a different conversation here, but I feel
(13:24):
like I would absolutely smoke a possessed Raggedy Ann.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I got attacked by cabbage patch kid doll one time
because it was they used to sell this cabbage patch kid. Yeah,
that would you could like eat like it was like
a you could like eat a feed it. Yeah, And
(13:48):
I had really like my hair right now, like, yeah,
it was like even longer.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
You had your Indian girl hair.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, I always had really long hair, and I got
my so they actually recalled it. But I got all
my toys at the thrift store, and so my mom
got this recalled cabbage patch kid.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Oh god, well.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
And then it ended up eating my hair.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Oh my god? How did you just have to cut
it out? Or what happened?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
My mom like turned it off and ended up yanking
it out.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
That's horrific, though, that would be terror. It's like it's
like the little kid version of get in your arm
stuck in a conveyor belt at the factory, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't remember much because I was like four, but
I just remember like screaming and then.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
My oh my gott fold. Oh my.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I've never told you that.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
No, I heard about when that was happening, but I
didn't know that. That's funny. I didn't know that happened
to you.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah. I don't remember a lot because it wasn't like
my first like my old house, like the one the
like like old old house else that I lived in.
And I just remember being in my kitchen and my
hair is getting yanked that's all I remember. Keep forgetting
(15:13):
that I'm supposed to be the one talking.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, you're the leader here. Yeah, second chair today.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Okay, I was really nervous at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
You're doing great. Yeah, okay, as good as a non
white could do.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Okay, I lost her. I was oh, okay attacking, Yes, okay.
So then the girls they contacted a medium and then
they said that it was the spirit of a young
girl named Annabelle, and it had attached annabel Higgins. She
had attached herself to the doll. Then after that they
(15:50):
got in touch with Adam Lorraine Warren, and then they
actually determined it wasn't the spirit of a young girl.
They were like, you're alive. And then they determined that
it was actually a demonic entity that was using the
doll to manipulate the residents.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Oh yes, a demonic entitude demonic. How did they determine that?
Did they like sit it down and interrogate it like
a like a Law and Order SVU. Elliott Stabler grabs
it by the neck and he's throwing it around or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, he's making it even more raggedy.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
He's a good cops. She's a bad cop.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, I just don't understand how that would how you
would determine, how would you come to that determination out
the shadow of it? Also, how did people just get
in touch with people in the seventies did they Were
they just in the phone book or what?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I don't know how they did that, but I think
they so I actually, okay, so I misspoke. I don't
think they reached out to them. I think they went
I think Edna and Lauren Warren went to people.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Okay, So I hate to.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
But I still don't understand how they like found the
I don't know how that would work.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Back then because I don't know if you.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Put an add out in the newspaper.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah maybe, I don't know, because I don't know anything
about this case. So I hate to be mister skeptical here.
Before they went to the medium, before they went to
these people, did they ever just consider throwing the doll
in the trash, Like they live in an apartment, there's
(17:32):
a dumpster outside, let's stick it in there and it
can be the landfills problem.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I think they did that in the movie and it
came back.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I saw the movies like fifteen years ago, so I
don't remember.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, I think they did that in the movie and
it came back. I don't know if that happened in
real life.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
That's what talking Tina did on The Twilight Zone. So anyway,
classic episode by the way, Okay, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But yeah, yeah, so I think it's like so I
kind of talk more about this like with like later
on when I talk about like their critics and stuff.
But she does like a seance kind of thing, and
then that's how they kind.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Of like Lorraine does Yeah, she'd she'd yeah, that's what
she does. Okay, and then they bring in like priests
and stuff. But yeah, so that's how they kind of
like determine the demonic entity. So then once they determined
that it was the demon, they then performed a house
(18:39):
blessing with the priest to get rid of it.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Afterwards, once they did all that, they took the doll
with them for safe keeping, and then it continued to
show signs of supernatural activity, so they put it in
like a special glass case, which you can see right there.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
What's all this other stuff around it? Is that like
other artifacts or yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Because this is there a cult museum that they have,
so it's like all artifacts from all of the cases.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
So it's like that weird place downtown in Omaha. Yes,
he used to be in Springfield and.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, yeah, so okay, so I'll actually talk about this
right now. The museum I wasn't talking about later, but
I'll just talk about it right now really quick. So
oh so, yeah, it has a sign. She has a
sign that says warning positively, do not open. Yeah, And
apparently apparently a visitor ignored the warning and it mocked her.
(19:53):
And afterwards, like when he was leaving, died in a
motorcycle accident.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
So I don't know if ghost or was he just
one of those motorcyclists that kind of drives like a dick.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
He is probably one of those motorcyclists that drive is
like dick.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
That's probably what it was. Yeah, I don't think Annabelle
summoned a semi truck, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah. But so the museum, it is now closed off
to the public, so it's in the it's in the
basement of their house. It's closed off to the public
right now, but it's open to like select people. And
(20:33):
there was someone it was like a couple of months ago,
like a ghost hunter was there and then died what Yeah,
died of what died after the Annabel Doll.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
We should see if they can let us go there.
We'll do We'll do a film something there, and I'll
just be an asshole and we'll see if I die.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Okay, So in August, my Rife bought it and he
owns everything.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Matt Rife the Comedian's.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Matt Right the comedian. He owns everything until twenty thirty.
So he's going to open it back up and let
people stay the night there.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
What the hell? Okay, that's just the most random person
to buy it. I know they're dead, she said, what
are they dead?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
The warrens, Yes, he was just skipping, making me skip.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Okay, Sorry, I didn't mean I thought we already went
over that. I was trying to realize.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
He died in two thousand and six and she died
in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Okay. Also, he didn't even get to see the fruits
of his labor with the movies.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Oh no, he did it.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So he died a broke boy.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
He did.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, well, probably not that well no, probably still they
probably did. They were probably doing okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Because yeah, so they would do all of their cases.
They did those for free, but then they would turn
around and like write about them and then do lectures
and stuff on them.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Oh so it's like mister Beast when he gives away
ten thousand dollars but his video makes like five hundred thousand. Yeah, okay, yep, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
So next case, the next popular case is the Amityville.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Is that how you pronounce Amityville? Yeah? I only know
that because there was the eminem song mentally ill from Amityville.
Accidentally kill your family?
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Still, So okay, the Amityville horror case so starts kind
of back in nineteen seventy four when Ronald Dafoe junior.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, like Willem will Willem Dafoe, Willem Dafoe, who's that
spider Man?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Okay, like that sounds familiar, Okay, murdered his family. So
that whole thing happened. I'm not going to go into.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
That because it's not just I knew that.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, this isn't a crime podcast. No, I'm not going
to talk about that.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
He was unalived with the pew pew after being essayed.
Can be paused for a second. If I ever get
killed by a serial killer, use big boy words when
you talk about me on your tiktoks and podcasts. Just
say I got killed, Say I got shot with a gun.
Don't none of this puw pewed, unalive, stop it, stop it, Okay,
(23:38):
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So, as someone who watches or listens to crime pod
like crime podcasts, a true crime podcast, I'll say on
the actual podcast, they don't.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Say it like that because, yeah, that's censored.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
The only censor like that if they're doing it.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
But it really doesn't censor, not as much as it
used to. So so they're just being Yeah, they're being
obnoxious fucking millennials. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yes, So started with the murder, I guess I'm not
gonna go into that, not a crime podcast. But then
two years later, the Lutz family moves in, which I
don't know why you don't want to move into a
house where like a gruesome.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
A good deal on it. Murders? Were they Jewish?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
LUTs?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Is that a Jewish name? I'm gonna look it up.
If it is, I'm gonna laugh. I'm gonna laugh because
it's gonna prove it. Let's see here Lut's name origin.
Oh it's Germany. Okay, so the opposite anyway, So they moved.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
In and then here is oh sorry, when oh here
it is? Okay, you moved around all my stuff? Okay, yeah,
so here is the house.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, it's a big house.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It is a very big I mean, I guess, like
if you've got a good.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Deal on it, that's got to be like at least
seven bedrooms, maybe more, with a three season's porch and
another upstairs.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I mean, that's solid. I'd buy that house. I mean
standalone garage.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, they had let me see how many kids it was?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Hold on? I mean because because here's the thing, if
they had a bunch of kids. I hate to break
it to you, but when you the more kids you have,
the more money you spend, your options become more and
more limited. And when you get a house that can
give all of them their own room and you get
a screaming deal on it, a mass murder? What mass murder?
(26:02):
What are you talking about? Mass? I mean mass murder? No,
that's a hoax.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I don't know. I don't know if i'd want to.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Okay, how about that you can live in a normal
house with two bedrooms, three bedrooms, sorry, three bedrooms, three
bathrooms and six kids, normal size house like the one
we got right now. Or you can live in an
eight bedroom house with six kids, four bathrooms, basement, three seasons, porch.
(26:37):
But some guy may have killed his family there. Let
me ask you what sounds worse, six kids in three
bedrooms or a haunted house. I think the six kids
in three bedrooms sounds scarier to me than a haunted house.
(27:00):
I can ignore the demons.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I can't ignore my kids beating the shit out of
each other because they're living on top of each other. No,
you get that screaming deal in the house. No, no, oh,
you hang up some crosses and call it good. So
did the original guy kill his kids because of demons
(27:25):
or did he just lose his mind?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
It was the sun?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
The original people that yeah killed the family, Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
The original people that killed him. It was the sun,
and I think it was because he I think it's
because he lost his mind. I don't think it was
anything to do with the house.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Okay, well, some people might believe there are still demons
involved there, but anyway I.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Continue, oh wait, wait, yeah, no, I don't know. Doesn't
say anything about spirits.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I personally believe if you kill your whole family, you've
probably got a demon you but anyway.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Well like a personal demon.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
No, a literal demon from Hell's possessed you, I think,
But that's his story for another time anyway.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Anyway, Okay, So yeah, seventy six still Lot's family. German
family moves in. So when they move in, the dad
said he witnessed his wife. Isn't this kind of funny
(28:29):
transforming into a ninety year old woman and levitating above
them pans?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Do you do that every time you get your period?
That's nothing new. She's slipping me off off camera, you
can't see it.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
They also claimed to see slime seeping out of the wall.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Also, I didn't say it continue slim out of the walls.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I can walk out, okay. And then a pig like
creature that was menacing them.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
How does it menace you? How does a pig? What
does a pig like creature? First time? Second off, what
does it mean that it's menacing you? I'm gonna make
some bacon like wrapped flays, like if this pig like
creature doesn't get the fuck out of my house, how
about that?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And then knives would fly off the counters and then
point right at family members.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
That is a concern.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yes, that is. And then on their last night there,
they said that bang as loud as a marching band
could be heard throughout the house. And so then they left,
and then shortly after the Warrens came and looked at everything.
(30:15):
And while they were there, Ed Warren was physically pushed
to the floor.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I uh, you would push me down.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Lauren felt an overwhelming sense of a demonic presence. And
then they also claimed to capture a picture of a
spirit in the form of I'm getting a spirit of
a form of a little boy in the stairway and
(30:51):
here is no oh my gosh, you got these all? Okay, yes,
here it is.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
That's creepy. Yeah, yeah, that looks like Nightcrawler from X Men.
That that's creepy looking. I mean, it's an old camera,
so like it'd be hard to doctor it. But maybe
it's just like the flash.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
How would that be the flash? Though?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Is that the railing banister? Is that like the Could
that maybe be like, you know, like the head of
the railing and there's just light reflecting off of it.
Maybe because I don't see a body, I see a
face and I okay, but look, okay, but look go
(31:37):
right over see the railing banister right there, right where
the so called head pops up. That's a different banister.
So it's right on the end. So I wonder if
that's the head of it. You see what I'm saying. Yeah, oh,
you don't have your mic. They can't hear you.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
So no, okay, point point for me.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Okay, So look here is the okay, So see how
all of these are smooth, right, Yeah, this one is
like ribbed. You see that this banister, Yeah, it's got
like indense in it. Why did you look at me?
Like that ribbed up? So that's ribbed like a condom. Yes,
(32:29):
And then right where the ribbed one is just so
happens to be where the head is. I'm wondering if
that was like if there was like a head of
the because like you know, some of those like older
houses with the wooden railings, the one that's like the
anchor of the railing that holds it onto the ground
level of the floor will have a ball on the
top of it. I'm wondering if that's what that is,
(32:50):
and it's just the lights reflect I know. I'm wondering
if the light if the eyes and the light's reflecting weird.
I don't know, have a shirt on. I could be wrong.
I could it could be a ghost boy, but it
could be a railing. I would need to see the
house during the day. We can go there, No no chance.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
But also this one is the Amityville one. A lot
of skeptic skip.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Skeptics.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yes, sorry, I keep.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Stop drinking that coke, then give it to me.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Okay, a lot of skeptical stump.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I was thirsty. That was my scam to get a drink. Okay, anyway, continue,
we're losing viewers. A lot of skeptics.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
A lot of skeptics do not They actually don't believe
this one is real.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
So this is a major one, the Amityville.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, they don't believe this one is real despite this
solid evidence right here.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I mean, that's as bad as good to some of
your guesty pics.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I'm not gonna but yeah, they don't think this one
is real.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, And then another case is the Conjuring one. So
the famous movie, and that is the Parent Family Haunting.
This one is in nineteen seventy one, Roger and Carolyn
(34:30):
paren moved with their five daughters to my personal health.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
That's the haunting right there, that's the scary part.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
They moved to a two hundred acre farm house that
was built in seventeen thirty six.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah, why why would you want to be living a
home that predates this country. Of course it's going to
be haunted.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
It's like two hundred years old.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
So some things that started happening there they reported, like
strange noises, just like the typical stuff, like strange noises,
objects moving, and then foul smells with no clear source,
which I mean like you got seven people living.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
There, You got seven people there, You're in the middle
of nowhere. I mean animals do crawl under houses and die. Yeah. That.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
The children claimed to see apparitions. Some were peaceful, others
were angry or menacing.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Like the pig like menacing the day.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
It's the word of the day, like the pig like figure.
Beds would levitate, doors slam shut, voices would whisper in
the dark, and the mom would be The mom was
targeted the most. She was physically attacked and possessed at times.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Oh yeah, I remember that from the movie. Yeah. Yeah,
so then you kick out the weak ones.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
They do, that's why I see, I would be I'd
be gone, I'd.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Be target number one. I'd be talking shit the whole time.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
By the way. Last, by the way, it's been six
months since some retard put a curse on me because
I made fun of Tarot and nothing's happened, So I'll
make fun of it again. Your stupid card game is
a bigger waste of money than blackjack. Go ahead?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Oh uh so?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
When so?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Then the Warrens came to investigate, and then Lauren and
Warren she claimed to since the presence of a spirit. Uh,
that's Sheba, Sherman.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
That's Sheba's the name from the Bible, is it? That's
the horror that seduces King David that he goes and
as her husband sent off to war so he can
like fuck her.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Oh okay, well here. Bathsheba was a local woman who
was rumored to have practiced witchcraft.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Just not a good name. Guys out there, if your
wife's pregnant with a girl, do not name her Bathsheba.
For those of you that that was on your short
list of names, do not name her Bathsheba. There are
no no good juju with that name.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
She also sacrificed her child to the devil.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yes, Bathshiba's not a good.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Name, and she lived on the property in the eighteen
hundreds and was buried nearby.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
He didn't get arrested.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
No, I mean it was eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
I think it was still illegal to sacrifice her kid
to the devil in the eighteen hundreds, though I don't
have the law book in front of me, but I
still think that was illegal even all those years ago.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I don't think they gared.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I think they did because they burned people that like
had premarital sex because they thought they were wishes. I
think if they caught its sacrificed your kid to the devil,
you probably meet a very untimely and nasty end.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I don't know. Maybe that's why she died. Maybe that's
why she has a grave here. Maybe, Yeah, that's her,
that's her grave.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
It's cracked, it's a weak foundation.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, But they conducted they conducted a seance to try
and communicate with her. But during the seance, the mom
became possessed and was thrown across the room.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
It's almost like you shouldn't try to contact those things.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
So it didn't turn out too good. No, after that,
the dad asked them to leave because he was a
little worried for his family.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
See, I would leave, get my family out of this house.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
They actually stayed. They lived in the house until nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
The Warrens or the family.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
No the family, so the Warrens left, but the family
continued to live there until nineteen eighty until they could
afford to move. But the paranormal activity remained, so.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
They just dealt with it.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
They just dealt with it.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Dude, I would be if I was living with that
kind of shit and I couldn't afford to move, I
would have like six different jobs until I could get out.
I'd so fucking cracked to get out of that house
if I had to.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I mean, you've got five kids.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Like I'd work sick. I'd put the damn kids to work.
Show any town. Get a job at the grocery store,
Go turn dirt. I don't fucking care. We're getting out
of this house. You're all making money. Do you want
to be terrorized by demons every night? No? I'm sick
of it. So you're all going to work. I don't care.
You go work with the illegals at the landscape. Well,
(39:58):
they just deported all of them. Perfect, So you've all
got under under the table below minimum wage jobs. You
can work perfect. There you go. We're getting the fuck
out of this haunted house though.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
But yeah, so they stayed.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I wouldn't. It'd be better to be at work than
at the house, is what it sounds like. I'd becoming
over the road trucker.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
We're moms just getting thrown around.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, I've been over the road trucker. You would never
see me again.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Oh, you're just gone. Mom's just getting thrown everywhere. Yeah.
But yeah, so then the Warrens, so they were gone. Yeah,
they didn't do anything, but they considered that case one
of the one of their most disturbing and complex hauntings,
(40:51):
even though they didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Really like what's a simple haunting?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
I don't know, I don't know what it's simple haunting
would be. But like, they didn't really sell anything.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
No, they just went there and got kicked out, and
then the movie made it seem like it all got
tied up with a nice little bow.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, I feel like that's movie magic. Yeah, but yeah,
they didn't really do it. They just, yeah, they got
kicked out.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
They get the fuck out of my house.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
You just got my wife attacked. Now, Lee So what.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Is the house still standing?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Oh it is because there's a TikTok page for it.
You can follow it. Yeah, it is still standing. Yeah,
they should drop a bomb on it. On places like that,
control burn with the fire department. I feel like that's
the way to go.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Why would they? Yeah, why wouldn't they just like demolish it.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
It's a museum. Now you can go hang out there.
It's like a whole business.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Oh is it like a place you could go like
spend the night.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah. I don't know about spend the night. But there's
like a social media manager for it that posts videos
all the time.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Okay, next one, I think this is the last one. Okay, yeah,
last one. So this is the Enfield Haunting, which is
the second Conjuring movie. This is in August of nineteen
seventy seven. This is the one where the guy literally
had a heart attack during it.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Guy, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I don't think he died, but he literally had a
heart attack during it.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Do you remember that during the movie?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, during the movie.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Was it like an actor had a heart attack?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
No, it was a guy who was watching it.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Well, that was probably just coincidental.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
It was like it was that like a jump scared
moment and a guy like had a heart attack.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Well take care of yourself, guys, that won't happen to you.
Go to some pushups.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
But yeah. August to seventy seven, Peggy Hodge Hodge, Peggy,
she reported strange just disturbances at her house with her
four kids. They lived in London.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
First problem it was Muslim immigrants, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
No, they're white.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
No, that was That's what the disturbance was. Oh and
then they reported it and the police came and arrested
them for complaining about it on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yes, yes, but uh so furniture would move on its own.
One thing that would happen I think they like showed
this a lot in the movie is a dresser would
slide across the floor and there were knocking sounds that
(43:41):
would echo all throughout the walls. Yeah, there would be
there'd be objects that would fly across rooms. Toys and
marbles were thrown.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Are they sure the house didn't just have foundational issues
that maybe it was a little off due to some
soil settling on one of it and stuff was just sliding.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Has anyone ever can I mean that could I'm not
even being a dick here. That could be when I
hear these stories. But old dressers were slide again, marbles
were rolling across. So it's like, well, first off, I
had a friend who works construction, and he told me, like,
you'd be like, do home construction. You'd be surprised how
many homes just don't get put on a totally level
(44:27):
a total get put totally leveled just from the get go.
And then I mean his houses get older. He use
an older house and talking about stuff sliding around. Foundations
start to go bad depending on the way your house
was built. So like, I'm not even in a dick here.
This literally just could have been a situation where half
of the house was fucked up and needed like an
eighty thousand dollars fix with stilts up inside of it
(44:50):
and stuff was sliding around. That could have been. It
wasn't that on that evil show, wasn't it? Something was
like that was going on. Yeah, there was like a
structural issue. Yeah yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Oh and then cold spots would appear, so I don't know,
new windows, Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Our whole basement's haunted cold spots, but only between the
months of December and February.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
A lot of the activity was centered on the daughter.
It was centered on one of the daughters, Janet. So
there are four kids, but a lot of it was
centered on one of the daughters. She was said to
have levitated, also been thrown from her bed and spoken
(45:41):
to by a guy's voice saying that he is Bill Wilkins,
Which is the guy? Yeah, he is the guy who
supposedly died in the house years.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Earlier, Bill Butt liquor.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Liquer. Her prices have.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Never been lower.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
So then in seventy eight, the Warrens visited and she
claimed to sense a demonic presence again, and Ed believed
it was a clear example of possession. But but, but
but the girls admitted later on that they fabricated some
(46:30):
of the events.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Some of So this is what's called a trickle truth,
which means all of it was a lot.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, but they insist that most of it was real.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Well, I bet furniture was sliding around and it creeped
them out a little bit, and they might have let
their imaginations get the better of it. By Jenuine, I
think I almost be willing to bet this is like
a structural issue with the house.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, and then well the thing is, so she was saying,
like the guy that was talking to her his name
was Bill Wilkins. But like all they had to do
is just a little bit of research to find out
that that's the name of the guy that worked or
that lived there previously.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, that wouldn't be hard.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, So the disturbances they would like continue off and
on until they just suddenly stopped. In nineteen seventy eight,
when that happens, yeah, the ghosties just leave they got bored. Yeah,
demons just go bye bye.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
I would say.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Bye bye, bye bye. It remains one of the most
studied and debated paranormal events ever recorded.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Hotly debated.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Huh yes, hotly debated, just like Adam Lorraine Warren. Oh, first,
here's a picture of the bedroom.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
This is the English one.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
The English one.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Yes, where are the muzzles.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
That's the girl. She looks like she's just jumping around
in her room having a good time.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
That's what it looks like to me. I mean, you
could show me this and it could have been like
a stock photo for like kids at a slumber party.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, so it doesn't Yeah, there's nothing really I don't know.
She doesn't look like possessed or anything. She looks like
she's just jumping around.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
No, of course, I don't know what a possessed person
looks like. I can't say I've met one, met some
people who I've wondered, but I can't say I've definitively
met one.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
So and then here is Lorraine Warren. This is what
she does too many No, this is what she does
when she is doing her like investigating, when she has
her like, when she's doing like her little like seances
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and stuff.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Looks like she's taken a nap. Now pissed. I'd be
if I paid someone to come to my house and
they just fucking laid down, get out of here. What
would you imagine? Hey, you call like a heating and
air guy to come fix your air conditioner and you're like,
all right, man, here's the AC. It's not cool in
the house down and he just lays down the fuck
out of my house. Dude, I'm paying you by the hour.
What are you doing? Leave?
Speaker 2 (49:26):
But yeah, So, there were a lot of critics of them.
So one of them, one of the uh, a lot
of one of the oh my gosh, sorry, uh one
(49:46):
of the critics that they had it was based off
of lack of scientific evidence because they a lot of
their photos and videos, well most of them couldn't be
verified in anyway.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Okay, but what scientific evidence can you provide for the paranormal? Yeah,
and I mean, I hate science cocks almost as much
as I hate paranormal grifters, So don't make me defend
these people.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
I was so okay, I was kind of confused about
this one, honestly when I was looking at it. And
then okay, I think this kind of goes into this
next one. I'm going to read these two together, and
then I'm going to ask you your opinions because I
have a question because I'm a little bit confused about it.
(50:38):
So also religious bias too, so, because they were Catholic,
they viewed pretty much all of the hauntings as demonic
rather than exploring huh sorry, rather than exploring other explanations
such as like mental health or environmental factors or just
(50:59):
like fraud in general. And uh so there was a
lot of criticism about that. Rather than so they just
like always like defaulted to demons.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
So I just like that, from what I understand, that's
a pretty common belief in Christianity is that ghosts do
not exist, but demons, and but demons do and if
something so I heard a priest say on a podcast
one time. He said, if you are communicating, And I
am not saying I necessarily agree with this, but this
is seems to be the like I don't want to
(51:36):
say dogma, but like the party line on this. I
saw a podcast with one of you know, there's like
this like kind of like celebrity type priests or whatever.
The guy was an exorcist with it from the Vatican,
and he said that ghosts do not exist. He goes,
if you think you're talking to your mom here on earth,
(51:57):
he said, like through a ouiji border, a seance or whatever,
or you think you're seeing her at night, your mom,
if she's in heaven, she's having a good time. She's
not coming down. She'll be fought. She she can wait
seventy five years till you get up there too. That's
something pretending to be your mom because you're vulnerable because
(52:17):
you miss her, and it's trying to communicate with you.
I'm not to get to you to like get its
foot in the door like a slee's bag vacuum salesman
kind of thing, and so it can get an enclose
the deal. I'm not saying I agree with that. I'm
not saying I disagree with that, but that is the
party line with Catholics and a lot of just Christians
(52:38):
in general, which is that ghosts don't exist. It's it's
demons pretending to be ghosts. So when they that does
not surprise me that they would see any and all
hauntings as demonic possession, because that is the belief amongst
a lot of them. So was that your question?
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yes, okay, yeah, I was kind of confused about that.
So that's that makes sense. Yes. Another thing that people
were critical about it they embellished a lot and were exaggerated,
(53:14):
so they didn't work almost like a book or something.
They didn't work with these families as much as they
claimed they did for the Enfield Haunting, which is the
the last one.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, the British, the British one.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, they visited like very very briefly. But they took
a lot of credit for the investigation, like they profited
off the whole movie, like they wrote a whole book,
like did a whole action, Like they took a lot
of credit for this and they like very briefly visited
(53:58):
them a lot of it. A lot of the work, Yeah,
a lot of the work for this case was done
by like other people, but they took a lot of
credit for it. And that's like a common theme with
some of their cases is just like the exaggeration of
(54:22):
their involvement.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
You know what, those other people should have wrote the
book if they wanted the credit part. So they how
many people are there ghost hunters? I mean there can't
be that many.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
A lot.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Start up a business they did.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
We should, Oh we should, Yeah we should.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
I'll just find shots. Make shut up, tell people like, yeah,
that's that's what that is.
Speaker 2 (54:47):
Man.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Something grabbed my shoulder when I was down there. Fucking ghosts.
Call me a fagot man? What you got going on here?
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Ass whole ghost?
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Another one is financial motives, which.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
That can't reach for most obvious.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, because like for their books lectures, they're involved, like
their Hollywood involvement. And then also to get people to
go to their museum, so they would do because they
all of from all of their cases, they would bring
like little trinkets and stuff like the Annabell doll, So
(55:31):
bring in more people to come, and then they had
some questionable investigation methods. Lorraine her ability for Lorraine's abilities,
and eds self taught demonology. His credentials were never verified.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
How do you verify who you call? Is there like
a state ghost hunter's license department, Like where is there
a test to a test, like a written portion that
you have to take?
Speaker 2 (56:05):
Or well, they weren't verified by any scientific or academic binding.
Speaker 1 (56:10):
Yeah, no, I mean if you're at the point where
you're if you're at the point where you're calling a medium,
are you looking for one who's been verified by a
scientific of course not. You kind of abandoned it at
that point.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, I don't know, Like I don't even know how
you would verify that.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
Yeah, that makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
They relied on subjective experiences and seances rather than like
documented investing investigative protocol. So it's kind of just like
like how she was basically trust me, bro, Yeah, really
like how she was doing right here, like her just
kind of.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
Like legged down, what's her thing?
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah, rather than like going in and like actually investigating
and like doing research and stuff. Is really her just
like h hang down and like yeah, trust me with
these like little seances that I'm doing. And then also
(57:16):
like some ethical concerns. Some families said they felt used
and manipulated by them. Yeah, which I mean, like, yeah,
I can see that if they're coming in and I
don't know, like trying to help you, but then they
just like leave. Yeah, especially like the ones they didn't
even help. Like there's a couple they just like didn't
(57:37):
even help at all.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yeah, but took credit for it though.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
Yeah, still took credit for it.
Speaker 1 (57:45):
So here's the thing. If you're gonna, as far as
I know, if you're going to use someone's name and
likeness in a book or a movie, they have to
get royalties. So are these people who they're claiming to
have helped are they Are they getting the cut of
this or how's this work? Are they changing names and stuff?
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I don't know if it's different if you're like writing
about like different cases, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
I think you might have to change names. I don't know.
I don't know how that works. I'm not a lawyer, but.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe, yeah, maybe you have to
change names. I don't know how that works. But yeah,
so that's it. And then yeah, he died two thousand
and six. She died twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
I was gonna ask if she'd do the show. I'd
probably be too old if we'd have to say once
her in.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
Wouldn't we Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
We'd have to do a little seance.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
Get what is a seance? Is that where you sit
around with like this? No, you sit around in like
candles and try to talk to ghosts or something like that.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
Yeah, I thank god.
Speaker 5 (58:54):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
Also another picture, This is a little boy they saved.
The caption said little boy that they saved from a demon,
and I thought it was funny because I was like,
well the demons.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Right next is the demon? Yeah? How did they save
the boy from its exorcism?
Speaker 2 (59:17):
Or I don't know. I didn't look into that story.
It was just a photo of them.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
I wasn't going to look into all of their cases.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Sorry, no, I don't blame you. That was more than enough.
That was more than enough. Well, if you have any questions,
she is now the expert on the Warrens, so drop
them on YouTube. Rumble that that's based with Caleb Salvator
facebook group. We will see you guys on Do you
have anything else? You want to add before we get
out of.
Speaker 2 (59:43):
Here, buy a hot salt, and.
Speaker 1 (59:48):
Yeah, the other one. All the stuff you all know,
the ads, It's all in the description. All Right, We'll
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