Jim Acosta

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Jim Acosta Show, and it's another day
that ends and why in the Epstein Gate cover up? Today,
Donald Trump told the Justice Department to investigate anybody but
himself when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein. Here to discuss
is investigative journalist Vicky Ward. Vicky, great to see you.
And I guess remember that Epstein email that called Trump
the dog that hasn't barked? Well, the dog you could say,

(00:26):
is barking a lot today. I guess we should just
dive right into this. A lot of things to talk about.
I guess, first of all, your reaction to Trump saying,
you know, he wants the DOJ to investigate Bill.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Clinton and Larry Summers.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
But you know, not himself, which I guess you know
there's the social post there.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Anybody, you know.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I wasn't surprised by that, Jim, because I've reported this
that back in twenty and fifteen, when you know, Trump
was running for president the first time around, and twenty
fifteen was when Virginia Roberts allegations against Prince Andrew. I

(01:09):
mean she actually identified Prince Andrew by name. She hadn't
done that before, and she came out with claims that
she'd made in a class.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Action lawsuit Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
When Trump heard all about that, and what was I
was wondering aloud to his campaign staff, who included a
guy called Sam Numberg, if his previous relationship with Epstein
would be a problem for him. He's Actually his immediate
reaction to Sam was, oh, well, Epstein is a much

(01:47):
bigger headache for Bill and Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton was
obviously running against him for president at the time, then
Epstein is for me and I, you know, and anyway,
I chucked Epstein.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Out of Mara Lago, So that was how he dealt with.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
The issue back in twenty fifteen. So it's almost surprising
that's taken them this long to get to the same
point in this cycle about Epstein.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Everything cyclical, I guess to some extent, But I mean,
the other thing we should mention that I guess Pam Bondi,
the Attorney General, has said she will assign and investigated
to this prosecutor to this, so stay tuned for developments
on that front. It's another instance where you know, Trump
is just ordering the DOJ to do things, which is
another thing that we could talk about some other time.

(02:35):
But let's talk about the April twenty eleven email, because Vicky,
you've investigated Epstein for so many years. You've broken a
lot of stories, You've uncovered a lot of stuff. I mean,
when these emails came out, I thought they were pretty
explosive because here we have it in black and white.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
You know this April twenty eleven.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
This is before Donald Trump becomes a candidate for office.
He was sort of dabbling in politics back then. He
was the birther stuff. He was going on talk shows
and talking about Polt. But he wasn't a president educator.
But Jeffrey Epstein said to Glaine Maxwell, I win didn't
not realize that the dog that hasn't barked as Trump
victim redacted, spent hours at my house with him, and

(03:14):
he has never once been mentioned police chief, et cetera.
I'm seventy five percent there, Ghlaine Maxwell says, I've been
thinking about that your thoughts on this because there aren't
many pl I mean, there aren't many plausible explanations that
sound good to me for Donald Trump. But what do
you think? What did you take away from this? Because
you know this much better than I do.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
So I think you have to connect that email with
one he sends himself much later in two thousand and nineteen.
But I want, you know, I think context is really important.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I want to show that one too, But yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah, no, no no, So let's take them in order.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Twenty eleven email to Gilen Maxwell in April is right
after the mail on Sunday, and then the Daily Mail
have published that photograph of Virginia Roberts with Prince Andrew
and is you know, arm around her waist and allegations,

(04:19):
you know, the allegations that we sort of are familiar
with now that Epstein, you know, pimped her out, but
she doesn't specifically name Prince Andrew and she doesn't name
the people she says he pimped her out to. And

(04:40):
in the second article, Trump is mentioned, along with Naomi
Campbell and other people just as people who were in
Epstein's orbit.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
So Maxwell came out swinging.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
In the wake of those two articles, accusing publicly accusing
Virginia Roberts of lying, and various other people who were named,
including the former Israeli Israeli Prime minister who Barock. You know,
they back then, believe it or not, they had spokespeople
who did talk to the mail on Sunday, said, yes,

(05:21):
we know Jeffrey Epstein, you know knows Jeffrey Epstein doesn't
know anything about Virginia Roberts. Trump said nothing. I mean,
arguably there was nothing to say. But as we know, well,
you know Trump, Trump in those days was on speed
dial to places like Page six, right, you know, you

(05:43):
know it was New York real estate, Trump with you know,
Trump was Trump and so. And we also do know
at this point that Jeffrey Epstein didn't want Gilen Maxwell
to weigh into this publicly. I mean, it's one of
the things he subsequently sent emails to her and wish she.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Wouldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
He himself remained dead silent, and so I think when
he's you know, he's noting that Trump is staying quiet,
which is not usual. But he then in this email,
then goes on to talk about the Palm Beach police chief. Right,

(06:28):
he's seventy five percent there. Well, and I also think Jim,
just to put context, it's worth remembering that in two
thousand and nine, which is two years before all of this,
Trump has already got on the phone, unlike any of

(06:50):
the guys the other Bold face names who are hanging
around with Epstein. Trump volunteers to get on the phone
to Brad Edwards, not well known lawyer in Florida, who's
bringing together the Epstein victims in a class action suit
because they're going to sue because the plea deal that
was the non prosecution agreement was done behind their backs.

(07:15):
And when Brad Edwards reaches out to speak to Trump
via his counsel Alan Garton, and I said, no, no,
you don't need to subpoena him. He'll jump on the
phone with you.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
And he was the.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Only one of all these well known, high profile men
and whose names be kind of all known by now.
And Trump gets on the phone and says to Brad Edwards,
you know how can I help? And he says, yes,
you did used to hang out with Epstein. He tells
him this story that emerged again in the emails that

(07:47):
came out a couple of days ago. He tells him
how he stood in Epstein's living room in Palm Beach
and then he looked out the window and there was
a group of remarkably young and he asked Epstein about it,
and Epstein said, yeah, they're part of my mentorship.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
Program, and.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
You know, Trump, I mean went out of his way,
according to Brad Edwards, He's written about this in his
book To Be Helpful. Edwards also says that as time
ticked by.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
And he interviewed more and more of.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
These witnesses and more and more survivors, he reckoned that
Trump hadn't quite told him the full extent of his
relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. But I've always wondered, I mean,
you know, Donald Trump's very smart. I mean, to be
willing to give up time to jump on the phone
to talk about Jeffrey Epstein in two thousand and nine

(08:45):
is an unusual thing to have done.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Why did he do that?

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Was he trying to get ahead of a situation or
was it because there was such bad bl blood between
these two guys? And I must say, Jim, as you read,
you know, reading all of the emails that were released
two days ago, it did seem as if Jeffrey Epstein

(09:11):
was obsessed with Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah, more than fifty percent.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Of these emails were gossip and speculation and questions about Trump.
And given that they hadn't actually spoken since two thousand and.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Four, you had to wonder.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Allegedly, yeah, right, we allegedly, but you had to wonder why.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
And that's why I think when.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
You think about the dog didn't Bark email in twenty eleven,
and it mentions the Palm Beach police chief in that email,
and then you go to the one that he writes
in two thousand and nineteen. January two and nineteen. Yeah,

(10:01):
he writes this email to himself and then forwards it
to Michael Wolfe, and we know that Michael Wolfe is
looking he's Trump's biographer. He writes, you know, a vast
number of books on Trump, and that's very useful for
Jeffrey Epstein because he, you know, uses all the information
Michael tells him. You know, he thinks that's helpful for him.
He then goes and tells the Russians. But the old

(10:23):
Michael we know we've seen is wants anything on Trump.
And we've also seen in the emails that Epstein says,
I'm the one who can bring Trump down. And January
twenty nineteen is right after the Miami Herald's excellent series

(10:43):
by Julie K Bran, Perversion of Justice, has been published.
It's right around the time that Ben Sas then the
Senator for Nebraska, is joining with Republican is joining with
the Democrats. The beginning the drum beat saying why has
nothing been done about Jeffrey Epstein's just a few months

(11:05):
before he is, in fact, finally going to be arrested.
And so I think it's fascinating that he spews all
of this out, and some of it the first half
is sort of defending.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Himself, right, But this is the second part.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
It's all about this business deal that supposedly caused the
rift between the two men. Yes, this battle for this
house that was going into bankruptcy. Epstein wanted it to

(11:46):
buy him for himself, told asked Trump to come see
it because he wanted suggestions for how to, you know,
where to put a swimming pool and reconfigure it. And
the next thing he knows, they're in the auction and
Trump outbids him and gets the house in auction for forty.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Five million dollars.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
And Epstein, in his telling of this to Michael Wolfe, says,
you know, there has problems with that because Trump doesn't.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Have forty five million dollars.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
He has nothing. Now you have to question how did
Jeffrey Epstein know that? And he says, given that he
has nothing, He then begins to question the things that
happen next, which is that basically Trump puts it on
a market at such a ridiculously high price that no

(12:42):
one's going to touch it. But it will then justify
why a Russian oligarch, who's one of the few people
who wouldn't probably.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Care about paying such a high price.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
A few years later comes in buys it for one
hundred million dollars. So I think you can see that
the insinuation from is.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
This money laundering? Is you know, did he buy it
for the Russian oligarch?

Speaker 3 (13:07):
And then he questions how did Trump disclose this on
his tax forms? Because did he declared the capital gain
on this? Okay, So that's what he's that is what
he's saying in this email to Michael. He's basically saying,

(13:30):
go away and have a look at this. I will
say something else, Jim, I suspect that he talks to that.
He says, there were only three people involved in the
bankruptcy of this house. The other is a guy called
Pulty p u l t y that that is in
fact pull t p u l t E. Jeff could

(13:52):
not spell.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
I saw that, and I was wondering.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Connect that is either the father or the grand father
of the man in the news running Fanny May.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
He's suggesting people like Eric Swalwell for investigations exactly.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yes, so, but I think, you know, this is clearly
Jeffrey Epstein telling Michael go after Trump.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
This is this is what I have on him.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
But I know from Michael Wolfe, because he and I
have talked, we've done interviews on substack, that that the
reason Epstein was so obsessed with Trump was because he
believed that it was Trump who had gone to Michael Writer,
the Palm Beach police chief, right after this fight over

(14:55):
the bankruptcy. Ording to Michael Wolfe, Epstein instead that he
threatened Trump that he was going to expose his finances. Well,
I mean, I have a problem with that because what
was he going to expose and to whom?

Speaker 2 (15:08):
So the Trump.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
That he was going to expose expose Trump's finances, But
I don't know how he was going to, you know,
I mean, and the idea of Jeffrey Epstein phoning up
I don't know, a reporter at the Wall Street Journal
kind of defies belief. But but his working Epstein's working
theory was that it was Trump who tipped off the

(15:34):
Palm Beach police, and it is true. The Washington Post
did report that two weeks after this that this has sale.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
The Palm Beach Police chief did.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Receive a tip about young girls going in and out
of Jeffrey Epstein's Wow.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Wow, Yeah, there's a I mean, there's a lot to
unpack there. The other issue, too, is is that you know,
just the other day, when Caroline Levitt, White House Press
Sector is trying to knock this down, she said, you know,
Trump got rid of Jeffrey Epstein because he was a
creep and a pedophile. Is that is somehow not.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Not in line with the timeline.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
I should say, can we play that, and then I
want to play this other thing, and then we'll talk
about it, and then.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
Have your statement about the new Epstein emails that have
been released by Hels Democrats. Separate from why you believe
the emails were made public, can you address their substance?
Did the president ever spend hours at Jeffrey Epstein's house
with a victim?

Speaker 7 (16:41):
These emails prove absolutely nothing other than the fact that
President Trump did nothing wrong. And what President Trump has
always said is that he was from Palm Beach, and
so was Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein was a member at
mar A Lago until President Trump kicked him out because
Jeffrey Epstein was a pedophile and he was a creep.
And this email you refer to with the name of

(17:03):
a victim that was unredacted now and.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Has since been and she says that Trump kicked Epstein
out because he was a liar and a creek. But
this is what Trump was asked in twenty nineteen whether
he knew what Epstein was doing with underage girls. And
here's what Trump said in twenty nineteen, that's at the
White House during his first term.

Speaker 8 (17:28):
No, I had no idea. I had no idea. I
haven't spoken to him in many, many years, but I
did have no idea.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
So he says he has no idea.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
He kicked out Jeffrey Epstein from mar A Lago, Caroline Love,
it says, for being a creep in a pedophile. So
that means those two things don't they don't.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Work, They don't squeare they did?

Speaker 1 (17:51):
They did, And there's a lot of lying about the
what Trump's knowledge of the behavior was, of the criminal
behavior was.

Speaker 8 (18:00):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
It is worth pointing out that in Virginia Geoffrey's memoir,
which has only just been published, that there is a
footnote in which she herself refers to the fact that
in twenty twenty a book reported that Trump kicked Epstein
out of Mara Lago not because of her, but because

(18:26):
because Epstein was hitting on the teenage daughter of a member.
And so it's worth I think noting that that's something
that Virginia Geoffrey wound up believing that why Donald Trump
can't remember his own history on this is you know.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
It's crastin, Yes, it is. It's very strange.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
In the April twenty eleven email, you know, can somebody
explain me why he was spending hours at the house
with a victim? And it's been reported in the White
House will ledge that the name that's redacted there is
Virginia Giuphray's name, But I until I see the email unredacted,

(19:08):
I don't know that that is the case. And do
we have any is there is that still a question
that hangs in your mind?

Speaker 2 (19:15):
You know, what is this all about?

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Well, I mean, I'm going to come back to the money, Jim.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
You think it's still come.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Back, because because because you know, at this point could
come back, because could come.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Back, yes, because because Epstein does claim and I can't
remember at this point, I've read so many emails, whether
it's in this batch of emails or on previous batch
of emails. You know he and you do have to
remember Estein was a complete liar. I mean, no one
knows that better than me. I mean had to sit
three months and months of it.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
But the.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
But he claimed that he had saved Trump from bankruptcy
and that he was a financial advisor to Trump in
much the same way that he was a Leslie Wexner
and too.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Leon Black. And so you know, one can imagine in
that scenario, but that Trump might pop.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Along to Jeffrey Epp student's living room in Palm Beach
to have a chat. I mean, that's that's not so extraordinary.
But again, it's the whole that, you know, it's the
whole idea. They're sitting there, there are all these girls around,
and we know we've got the documentary evidence of how
they all held around at parties with you know, lots

(20:32):
of models around. It's it's you know, I guess I
can see why Donald Trump you know, doesn't like the
imagery that all of this just you know, it keeps
putting out there. I mean, it's not the kind of
it's not the imagery he wants us to be thinking about.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
He wants us thinking about his new ballroom.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yea, and other things.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Right in, VICKI The other one last thing I wanted
to ask you about is Steve Bannon. He shows up
in these documents and in these text exchanges with Jeffrey Epstein,
and you know, media, the folks of at Media Matters,
they're reporting this, and I had seen this mentioned elsewhere
that there's also the issue that Steve Bannon may have
had what some fifteen hours of video footage of interviews

(21:22):
with Jeffrey Epstein that he did back at twenty nineteen.
I mean, this is somebody else who probably had an
extra grind with Donald Trump. Steve Bannon was fired by
Donald Trump after Charlesville. Bannon was the chief strategist at
the White House, was fired in the aftermath of that,
and so there was some bad blood. But then they
reunited and you know, he became an advisor to Trump

(21:42):
after that. But there's it's strange that Bannon is in
the middle of all of this.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, so this actually has been written by another Michael Wolfe,
and a lot of people missed it because it was
in I think, if not the last, but the penultimate
that my Michael wrote, which was and it was a
chapter right at the end, and it kind of didn't
gel with the rest of the book, and I think

(22:08):
a lot of people miss it.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
But he does describe how.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Bannon and Michael and Epstein's attorney, Read Wangotten would all
get together and, believe it or not, coach Epstein for
his great comeback.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
They coached him to appear on sixty.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Minutes And you know, yes, was this the wisest thing
for Steve Bannon to be doing?

Speaker 4 (22:31):
I would suggest not.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
I mean, I know Steve I did back in the
day at one point say to Bannon I had heard
that he was maybe going to even get on a
plane with Epstein. And actually in the emails you see
that Epstein says, you've got to travel, and I did

(22:52):
say to Bannon, don't go anywhere near Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, Well it doesn't sound like it doesn't sound like
Steve van listen to that advice. But Vicky, it sounds
to me though we have more to uncover. It's the
reason why the Epstein files have to be released, and
we're not going to know the full story until they're released.
But I always appreciate you coming on and diving into
this stuff. I'm sure we'll do it again. I'm sure
something else will pop up and want to do it again.

(23:20):
But I saw your your video about that twenty nineteen
email that Epstein sent himself, and I thought that was fascinating.
So nice work is always, Vicky, great to talk to you.
Thank you so much for having me j all right,
really appreciate it. And before we got started, Vicky and
I were talking about all the rabbit holes that you
can go down in all of this, and there are plenty,
but the I mean, it remains the overarching question in

(23:43):
all of this, why won't Donald Trump release the Epstein files.
His latest distraction today is to put out a truth
social post saying he wants the Department of Justice to
investigate the Democrats and to go after Bill Clinton and
Larry Summers.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
And I guess he misspells Larry Summers. Now just who care?
I guess I shouldn't even go down that rabbit hole.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
But and now Pam Bonnie is going to jump on
that because she's Pam Bonnie and that's what Pam Bonnie does.
But you know there's one place, there's one channel that
you won't see a lot of coverage of Jeffrey Epstein.
And I think you know which channel I'm talking about.
I'm talking about the Fox News Channel. They call it
the Fox News Channel. We know it's not really the
Fox News Channel. We know it's the Fox and Nois channel.

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And I have lots of things to say about Fox.
But one person who can really shed some light on
all of this is talk show host Stephanie Miller, who
joins me. Now, Stephanie, is great to see you. This
is a long time coming. I'm so glad that we're
able to chat about this. And when I saw this
moment that you had with Sean Hannity the other night,
I fell out of my chair laughing. And I don't

(24:46):
know if I've stopped laughing because you busted him so good.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
How are you? By the way, you know what.

Speaker 8 (24:52):
I'm having a little champagne because you know it's Friday,
and you know it's not every week that you kicked
Sean Handy's out us Jim, and.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Thank goodness.

Speaker 8 (25:03):
And then Fox News is dumb enough to let you
come on in the middle of the Epstein bombshell emails, right.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
And they had not been Just to go back to
what I'm kudos on having champagne at one three in
the afternoon in La. This is why I should probably
move to La or at least get a place out there.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
But at least we.

Speaker 8 (25:20):
Were doing shots together. It's you know what I do
want to do it. It's it's five o'clock.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Somewhere, absolutely, and it's and it's almost five o'clock here.
But but no, the thing that and we should preface
this by saying Fox was just ignoring these bombshells that
had come out what was it Wednesday morning?

Speaker 2 (25:37):
And then I don't know why. So the Handity people
call you and they say, hey.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Stephanie, we'd love to have you come on the show
tonight and talk about Joe Biden being senile or something.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Is that what was happening?

Speaker 8 (25:48):
No, Jim, it was more ridiculous than that. So I've
been frenemies with Sean Hannity for thirty years from radio,
so you know his radio FORDU called me first. I
went on his radio show, Jim, you know this game,
I did a ridiculous joke photo. I just did a
PROP fifty event out here with Jasmine Crockett campus prop Efty.

(26:12):
So I did a funny joke photo of me kissing
her feet because I love her.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, she's awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (26:17):
I don't know if I can swear on this show, Jim,
but you maga lost their ship. I don't know if
you saw Twitter exploded, white liberal lady, black lady pete
oh no, New York Post Daily Caller. So that's how
this all happened. Is I was supposed to be the
liberal punching bag Jim like, oh, stupid liberal lady and.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
So oh boy.

Speaker 8 (26:44):
So after I did the radio show songs like I'm
on the TV show, I'm like, okay, that was supposed
to be the subject. Is what are you thinking? Oh
my god?

Speaker 2 (26:54):
How could you do that? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (26:57):
And as you as you probably saw, I said, you know,
what's interesting thing about this whole story is that Trump
is all over the Epstein files.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
And I love it.

Speaker 8 (27:06):
Well, let's do this that day.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
It's incredible to me. All right, let's play the footage
because for folks.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Who have not seen this or if you just want
to relive the moment, it's glorious.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Let's watch.

Speaker 9 (27:19):
I do have a question I tried to get an
answer out of you on radio. Okay. The question is
when did you notice Joe Biden's cognitive decline? And don't
I don't, don't change the subject and deflect. When did
you really notice it?

Speaker 10 (27:33):
Well?

Speaker 8 (27:33):
I think it was through all of the times that
Donald Trump has fallen asleep in public and talked about,
you know, magnets getting wet in the last few you.

Speaker 9 (27:43):
Know, my gosh, my mom had to mention recognize that
this is not.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's a very good deflection.

Speaker 9 (27:49):
You're a professional.

Speaker 8 (27:50):
You know. What else is worried about Biden's Biden's decline
is that Trump is all over the Epstein files, and
I'm wondering if they're going to release those. Are you
covering that tonight?

Speaker 9 (28:00):
Not really, because the woman that apparently they're talking about
is the one that said he was a gentleman and
never did anything wrong. And the person that had a
grudge was the guy that got thrown out of mar
Lago twenty five years ago.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
And you got him.

Speaker 9 (28:13):
When you get thrown out of a club in Palm Beach, Florida.
That's kind of a big deal, and it's very humiliating
and embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
And it was a convicted pedophile.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Oh gosh, So he got really riled up there, Hels.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
But yeah, well.

Speaker 8 (28:34):
Thank you, honey. Did you like the scooby doo at
the end? What?

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Now?

Speaker 8 (28:38):
No one ever said that Trump raped all thousand girls? Jim,
just FYI? And I mean we all know that he
had the emails revealed he had Thanksgiving with Epstein in
twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, what's that all about?

Speaker 8 (28:52):
It? He didn't throw him out of mar Lago and
you know, obviously like it was over a business dispute
or something else. And I'm like, I'm sorry because he
stole your girls that you were sex trafficking.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, and he's like, and he's repeatedly lied about it.
We were just showing this a few moments ago with
Vicky Ward. We were showing how Caroline Levitt said that
Trump kicked Epstein out of Marlaga for being a pedophile.
And then Trump was asking twenty nineteen, did you know
what Epstein was up to you? No?

Speaker 2 (29:18):
No, I didn't know anything. I didn't you know. It
wasn't me.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
It was the one armed man, you know, and it's
I just anyway. But the thing that is so glorious
about what you did there is it exposed.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
What goes on at Fox.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
And I've reported on this for many years and talked
about this for many years.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
They are they act in cahoots.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
With the Trump people and the Trump administration, and they
obviously made it very clear to Fox that they didn't
want to see any coverage, and so there was no
coverage until you brought it up.

Speaker 8 (29:49):
Basically, I gotta tell you. So, I'm sitting in the chair,
you know, you as you do in TV. So I'm
sitting in the chair. And first of all, the guy
at Fox News, you know in New York, is like,
I love your show. I'm like, don't say that. You're
gonna get fired. But before me, Jim, As I'm sitting
in the chair, this is like, they don't need to
sell me to send me to El Salvador. This would

(30:10):
be liberal torture. I'm sitting in the chair. First is
Mike Johnson. Then it's uh, I can't Stephen Miller, and
then Cash and then cash Hotel, and then me. So
I'm forced to sit here and listen to this solid
wall of lives.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
So and were any of those guys asked about Epstein, No,
of course, not like sol On.

Speaker 8 (30:34):
Yeah, they thought they were having me on for a
gotcha like, oh my god, you kissed the black lady's feet,
and it ended up being like a commercial for Jasmine Crockett. Yeah,
you know, they played Charlottage and the Gods saying she's,
you know, should be the voice of the Democratic Party.
That's why people are resonating, you know, to her. Anyway, Jim,

(30:54):
it was hilarious because I you know, and my mom
did have dementia, and Trump obviously a lot going on
that they, of course they don't cover on Fox News.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Well, and the other thing too, is I mean, maybe
we should talk about this is Megan Kelly. I mean,
Megan Kelly is blowing up and not in a good
way right now. Oh my goodness. She was on her
show trying to she was making this argument that maybe
it wasn't pedophilia because we're talking about fifteen year olds
and that eight year olds. And now she is like,

(31:24):
what the hell I mean, people are just saying, what
is wrong with you? Is your brain broke? But to me,
it's like this is what happens when you're in a cult.
When you're in a cult, you explain away the actions
of the.

Speaker 8 (31:35):
Dear leader, right, and it's like they're getting us ready
for what we're going to find out that we all know.
We're that, Oh, it's not so bad, it's not really rape.
I mean, Jim, it reminds me of that whole debate
about what's a legitimate rape, and women have a way
of shot it down if it's a legit I mean,
and this is a woman who has a fifteen year
old daughter is saying it's not really rape. If you

(31:58):
know it's different than five, would you be okay if
your fifteen year old daughter?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
I mean, I would want to kill the person. I
mean to say, right now, that's what I would want
to do that I would, you know, to me, the
normal people, most normal people would that's their reaction. If
you have kids. I mean that this is a fifteen
year old as a kid. I don't know how she
could come to that conclusion. We were playing the video yesterday.
I don't know if we could play it again, but
I mean the way she just kind of goes through

(32:25):
these verbal gymnastics, these mental gymnastics, It says to me
that that Megan has sold her soul. She's just she's
not like it's there. The soul has left the body.

Speaker 11 (32:37):
Jim.

Speaker 8 (32:37):
It's why I've always been such a huge fan of
yours and why you know, a lot of most people
doing the most important work now are on substack, because
you know, the mainstream media is you know, it has
meant the knee kissed the ring. And I'm telling you, Jim,
someday we're gonna we're going to look at how the
mainstream media got a child rapist into the into the
Oval office.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Do I need to say allegedly, Well, we'll say alleged.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
And he has said repeatedly he didn't do anything wrong.
But he also said that he didn't know what Epstein
was up to, and that clearly is not the case.
And so you know, there's a lot of lies, you know,
lies telling lies to cover up other lies. But I mean,
you know, I think you're right about the mainstream media.
And I call it the corporate media, the legacy media.
And to me, you know, when they have all of

(33:24):
these merger and acquisition deals. You've been in the entertainment
and talk industry for a long time and We're a
legend out out there in California and all across the country,
and people love you. But I mean, you know this
all too well. When there's a company here's there's we
talk about Megan in a second.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
But when there's a.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Company involved in charge of these companies, in charge of
these news outlets, it bends the way the coverages is
it just is.

Speaker 8 (33:49):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I feel like it. I don't
mean to be rude, but it was a little sexually
exciting to me how you used to come after Donald
Trump because you were just doing and I'm gay, but
oh my god.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
I'm happy to I'm happy to help in any way possible.

Speaker 8 (34:06):
You know, thank you, Jim. You were doing. You were
doing what journalists were supposed to do. You know, it's
just you got to hold their feet to the fire.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
That's what the public expects.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
And that's why these companies are all in the shitter
right now, because you know, the public is like, screw it,
I'm going to go on substack or YouTube and find
other places and go. They just don't want to listen
to the to the uh, to the news media and
not do their jobs. But let's we got the Megan
thing queued up. Let's watch this and talk about it,
and then I'll let you go on your way. I've

(34:36):
taken up so much of your time, but let's watch this.

Speaker 11 (34:42):
Now.

Speaker 10 (34:43):
Virtually everything, not everything, but virtually everything. And this person
has told me from the start, years and years ago
that Jeffrey Epstein, in this person's view, was not a pedophile.
This is this person's view who was there for a
lot of this, but that he was into the barely
legal type, like he liked fifteen year old girls. And

(35:04):
I realized this is discussing. I'm definitely not trying to
make an excuse for this. I'm just giving you facts
that he wasn't into like eight year olds, but he
liked the very young teen types that could pass for you.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
I think that's enough. That's enough.

Speaker 6 (35:19):
Is that?

Speaker 8 (35:20):
I mean, seriously, Jim, is that there like for the midterms?
At least she wasn't eight. Make America great again.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
I know.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
It's grotesque, it's grotesque, and it says to me that
something seriously wrong with Megan. She's gone to the dark side,
and she sold her soul to Donald Trump, and she
doesn't know what to do with herself. You know, remember
when he went after her, and she was kind of
held up as like, here she is over at Fox,
she's actually making Trump sweat and stuff. And then she

(35:49):
went to the dark side and did rallies for him
and so on, and now sound she sounds worse than
Caroline Levitt.

Speaker 8 (35:55):
It's just well and Jim. People were like, oh, you
were so brave. I'm like, no, I'm I'm like you, Jim,
I have zero Fox left to give. I'm like, I
don't want to be on Fox News again. My goal
is always to get thrown off and never get invited back.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Good because the Academy Award goes to you.

Speaker 8 (36:14):
They always want you to play the game like, you know,
be the liberal punching bag, be the you know, I'm.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Like, no, f you it's pro wrestling. They wanted to
be k Fabe.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
They wanted to be you know, I'll do this and
then you'll do that. And I'm so glad that you
did not play that game with them, and you exposed
them in a very important moment when everybody was watching
and wondering is Fox going to cover this, and you
just totally punctured that. So thank you, Stef. It's great
to talk to you. Thank you so much for what
you do.

Speaker 8 (36:41):
Yes, I need a commitment right now, you're coming on
my show. I've been trying.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
I will definitely come on your show now. We were
talking a while back. I think it was right after
I left, and that was when my head was like
spinning like a top.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
And so I'm much calmer now and.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
I'm in more I have people who help me with
this show, and I'm much more in command of my
faculty on a daily basis.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
So we'll make it happen, I promise.

Speaker 8 (37:02):
All right, let's do it. Let's do it for you, Jim.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
All right, love you. Thanks Stephanie, really appreciate it. All right.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
I'm glad I'm helping out in all kinds of ways too.
By the way, thanks Stephanie.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Take care. Yeah, She's terrific. And it's one of those things.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
It's like you rarely see it when somebody breaks character
in state television and you know, it's one of those
is like remember the lady in Russian state television when
she held up the sign. It just is one of
those moments that we can all look back to and
say thank you Stephanie for you know, pointing out what

(37:37):
a fraud Sean Hannity is because that's what he is.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
He's a fraud.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
I want to switch gears again one more time, because
I mean, it's not very often I get to have
an Academy Award nominated actress on this show, but I
was able to have an interview with the one and only,
the great Lily Gladstone, who has been doing just amazing
work in highlighting the plight of Native people in this country,

(38:07):
Native American Indigenous people in this country. And she has
a new documentary that's out. It's out on PBS and
they're gonna be screenings coming to a city near you
that talks about the return of the Buffalo to the
United States. And it's a mission that is very important
to the Blackfeet, and Lily is a member of that.

(38:29):
And here's our interview. We'll talk about on the other side,
but she just she's an amazing person and we had
a terrific conversation.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Here it is.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
And joining us now is Lily Gladstone. She is an
Academy Award nominated actress. She's an executive producer and the
narrator for a new feature documentary that is extremely important
right now. It's called Bring Them Home. It is from
Thunderheart Films, W E t A, TV and PBS. Bring
Them Home is about the Blackfeet nations decades long effort

(38:59):
to return wild buffalo to their ancestral lands. The project
is so important to the identity of the Blackfeet Nation.

Speaker 11 (39:06):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
And here to talk about it is Lily Gladstone.

Speaker 11 (39:08):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
What an honor. Thank you so much, really great to
see you.

Speaker 11 (39:11):
J Me, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Absolutely, And it's Native American Heritage Month right now, and
so this comes at at a perfect time. You know,
I just have to ask you first of all, and
I want to show a clip from the documentary and
so on.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
But you know, why did you decide to do this?

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Why is this project so important to you?

Speaker 11 (39:30):
You know, from being a kid just day one. I
grew up on the Blackfeet Reservation where a lot of
the film takes place. A lot of the same landscape
was what I saw on my commune to school every morning.
You can see my cousin Will out there riding a horse,
helping helping drive them drive the buffalo. Growing up, just

(39:51):
something that I heard a lot, partly came from my
own family, my great great great grandfather, Chief meet Gay
stew Red Crow. He was a signatory of Treaty seven
in Canada, but he was around for that time of
transition from buffalo to cattle, and he witnessed and talked
about how you know, we're buffalo people, but you look

(40:13):
at cattle and how they behave. They're kept behind fences,
they need to be fed on a schedule, they're dependent,
and he said, that's who we're going to become. Kind
of you are what you eat, sort of a thing.
And Carasp I guess. But the return of the buffalo
then has been in conversation since early childhood for me.

(40:34):
The first time I remember seeing the first attempt at
a trial heard I was pretty young. This was before
my family moved away from the reservation, so mid nineties.
I remember driving between East Glacier and Browning to go
get groceries and just waiting and hoping to see them
out there. There was one time they were across the
road and they totally shut traffic down. So there was

(40:56):
a big formative point or period of my life where
I would just imagine and pray for it and think
about buffalo being back on our planes and imagine that
that resurgence. So when this documentary was coming together. It's
been seven years seven eight years in the making. Wow,
no kidding the documentary. Brilliant documentarian who came out of Bozeman, Well,

(41:20):
it came out of Brooklyn and came out of Bozeman.
Daniel Glick. He was doing his footwork and working his
way around the res and kept asking for collaborators, and
everybody kept bringing my name up. So long before Killers
of the Flower Moon made me kind of a global name,
I was definitely known around the res and around Montana

(41:40):
as a Blackfeet filmmaker. So I've been attached to it,
at least narrate for a really really long time. And
it was really kind of heartwarming and wonderful that in
the background of everything that was going on with me,
the buffalo continued to come back and continued to get stronger.
And one thing that it's a traditional game that we're

(42:02):
taught when we're young that you play at gatherings called
make the Buffalo Runs. Before we had the horse, It's
there was buffalo runs. So you would have runners, young
kids that would at the top of their lungs yell
and scream and run for a length to draw the
buffalo over a cliff. Pretty dangerous job and requires strong

(42:23):
runners with loud voices, so kind of took the analogy
of that that, you know, I guess that's what I'm doing.
I'm out here running fast, I'm making noise, I'm leading, yeah,
a bit reluctantly, but it's all in service of making
a buffalo run and bringing them home. So it was
always really wonderful fuel knowing that this story was coming together.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
It's an incredible story. And let's watch a little bit
from the documentary. I think we have a clip or
a trailer, and I was looking at some of this
last night.

Speaker 12 (42:54):
It's just this has been our home for millennia. For
almost that entire time, we've lived with and alongside the buffalo.
But more than a century ago, we and the buffalo
became the targets of genocide. Without buffalo, our world collapsed.

(43:17):
But there were some of us who refused to give up,
who held tight to the hope that with the return
of Enie would come the healing from this trauma.

Speaker 11 (43:28):
Growing up, there weren't any buffalo here on the reserve.

Speaker 13 (43:33):
Never heard anybody ever talk of buffalo, and so slowly,
you know, just start learning.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
There's still a wild animal.

Speaker 13 (43:40):
When you get them into crowd and stuff, you could
keep knowing you'll find that out pretty damn easy. We
begin to see who else should we bring in to
help us eb fall This idea of wild bison, seeing

(44:03):
them buffalo coming into territory up here would be a
great victory, more than anything that we've settled in the
last thousand years, because they're gonna teach us our ways again.

Speaker 5 (44:17):
And it was almost like they were saying, or coming
home and prepare, prepare for us to come home.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Wow, it is it looks amazing.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
It looks beautiful cinematography here is I mean, it's just
it's amazing to.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Look at Lily. You must be so proud of this.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
But I mean, I guess help us with the viewers
and educating them on what happened to the buffalo, because
I mean a lot of people may not remember.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
This or realize. I mean, they were just about wiped out, correct,
I mean.

Speaker 11 (44:56):
A large campaign Latin or part of the eighteen hundreds
early nineteen hundreds. It was a very concerted effort. It
was essentially a genocidal campaign. That famous photo of the
mountains and mountain bison skulls. As I was talking about
my great great grandpa Red Crow, how we're buffalo people.

(45:19):
We're not the only ones who acknowledged and notice that.
So when westward expansion was happening, when there was a
price on Indian scalps, there was also a price on buffalo.
Knowing that eradicating buffalo would mean that we would become
dependent or we would just go away entirely. So this
campaign was enormously successful. And it's kind of a miracle

(45:43):
that we have the American bison anymore. And it's you know,
I want to call it a miracle, but I also
want to call it kind of metaphysical. Will I suppose
will of any will of the buffalo that one of
our genetic herds from this time was it found kind
of a sanctuary on the Flathead Reservation for a while,
and then those buffalo moved up to Canada and still

(46:06):
Blackfoot Ancestral Area territory, but this specific herd sat and
waited for over a century, for one hundred years, and
then in twenty sixteen, I remember going out and visiting
the yearling. We got about forty head forty to sixty
head of yearling that were brought down and corralled and
those are the ones that you see in the film
that continue to grow, and knowing that they look a

(46:30):
little bit different too. They sound like little pigs. They're
really cute.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Don't get too close. As we saw that one close
exactly in the.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Ring there, I thought, oh gosh, somebody's gonna get hurt.
But I have to ask you because everybody knows you
from Killers of the Flower Moon, which I loved that book.
I read that book and a couple of days it
was incredible, and then the movie was just amazing, and
you were incredible in it. And what is it about
the stories about Native American about our indigenous people? Why

(47:02):
are these stories resonating with us now?

Speaker 11 (47:04):
Do you think something that a lot of Indigenous folks
have been saying for a while. We've survived genocide, We've
survived concerted efforts to limit our liberties, to limit our speech,
to limit our way of life, and we're still here.
So there's been an enormous amount of tumult as of late,

(47:26):
and it's affecting communities that haven't really ever felt it before.
So I feel like, you know, we have survived and
we are still here in the face of all of
these very concerted efforts, these large policies, these government policies
to kill the Indian, save the man, to basically eradicate
our way of life, and in the hopes that we

(47:48):
just kind of disappear, and clearly we haven't. And that
very much comes from going back to who Buffalo people are.
When you're facing adversity as a kid back home and
you hear a lot is that you just turn into
the storm and face it head on, because that's what
buffalo do. You know, cow will need a rancher to
take them to a pasture, them to take them to

(48:10):
a barn, basically so they can survive a cold winter.
Buffalo calve in sub zero, so they're babies, Their newborn
babies can survive fifty below. And the way that they
get through the storm is they keep moving. They face
it head on, and they break the strongest buffalo break
the embankments and break the storm and the snow that's

(48:32):
piling up. Everything they do is protective of they're young,
protective of they're vulnerable, and they just keep moving. So
we've learned how to do that from them. It's one
thing I'm really grateful about this documentary, particularly that Daniel
had the absolutely necessary and vital foresight to work with
Blackfeet filmmakers. A lot of times you see documentaries that

(48:55):
have a biological element because in a lot of the
documentary we're talking about storing bison as a megafauna for
you know, some necessary ecosystem revitalization, and a lot of
times when you're talking in Western biological terms, there's this
strong resistance to anthropomorphize. So you're not supposed to have

(49:16):
pomorphize the animals. Well, it's true. You always got to
be mindful of how much you're projecting yourself into what
we're doing. It's kind of the opposite with us. Buffalo
have taught us who we are. Human beings are kind
of pitiful creatures. If we're born in the middle of
a sub zero storm, we're not going to make it.
So we have to learn how to be and one
of our biggest teachers are the bison. So it's yeah,

(49:40):
I think the lesson that people can look to from
native peoples who have survived all of these you know,
centuries now of of hardships, of of a rasure. Essentially,
we've learned how to survive from our land, from from
the non human peoples that we share our land with.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah, a couple of things you said that really resonated
with me. One is about being part of a culture
that is facing the threat of eradication and erasure. I
think that that message resonates with a lot of people
right now. And I think also what you're talking about
the connection between ourselves and the natural world, which.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
I think so many people have lost sight of. Absolutely
Yah's climate, our environment.

Speaker 11 (50:32):
Exactly, it's a global crisis, and it's a global crisis
of shared resource, but also a sense of self of identity.
There's this idea of man conquering nature and that's absolutely
not it. You know, it hasn't been that long in
our timeline as Blackfeet people that we haven't had been
hand in hand with Buffalo. And seeing that come back
and seeing the revitalization of purpose, sense of who we

(50:56):
are coming with it, that's always that's always been a
big part of the goal, I guess, and I hope
that's what an audience that is not Indigenous takes from it.
Is we have one world and we are part of
a very big picture. We're kind of brought up in westerns,
just Western society, to believe we're at the top of

(51:16):
a hierarchy, but we're really part of an ecosystem and
restoration of that and acknowledgment of that humbling ourselves that
we're animals too, and we're a pretty pitiful species when
you look at it. We have a lot to learn
from being what we're meant to be, which is stewards
of a world that is way bigger, way more connected,

(51:39):
way more powerful than we are.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Such an important message right now, Lily Gladstone, to me,
you are such a role model, and it's so amazing
and important that you have emerged as this incredible star
right now and you're using that platform to tell the
story of your people. There's there's some of the dates.

(52:02):
If you want to see this documentary in person, it's
coming to a town near you. And I think it's
so wonderful that PBS is part of this too.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yay public broadcasting.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
We love public Yes, but Lily, I'm a huge fan.
I know you're so busy doing these interviews. I won't
hold you up too long, but kudos to you, honestly,
way to go, amazing stuff.

Speaker 11 (52:25):
Thank you so much for giving us the time to
talk about this too.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Just mean you bet the great Lily Gladstone, who will
be seeing for years to come. I promise you everybody,
we're going to be seeing Lily doing amazing projects for
your years to come.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Thank you so much, really great to talk to you.
Appreciate it with you.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
It really was great getting to know her there. And
make sure you check out her film. It is going
to be coming out on PBS in the next couple
of weeks, and really appreciate her time.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Thanks for that.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
I want to touch finally, very quickly on the Epstein story.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
We've just obtained. I've just obtained this letter.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
From some of the survivors, the victims' families. They have
written this letter and they've sent it to every member
of Congress up on Capitol Hill. They are calling again
for the release of the Epstein files. Of course, they're
sending this letter in this very critical moment in the story.
In Epstein Gate, you saw all the emails that were

(53:28):
released by the House Oversight Committee, led by the Democrats
on that committee, who obviously pushed this forward first, and
now we're seeing basically a huge moment that is shaping
up for next week. We saw that they had the
necessary votes in the House for the discharge petition. That
means that there will be a full House vote we
expect next week on releasing the files. Then the matter

(53:51):
goes to the Senate, and then it goes to the
White House. Of course, we all expect Donald Trump to
veto that if it ever gets out of the Senate.
But I want to read some of this letter to you.
It's on screen right there. It says, we write to
you as the family of Virginia Robert Giuffrey, and as
fellow survivors of Jeffrey Epstein, Gallaine Maxwell and their co conspirators,
who have the ability to vote to release the Epstein

(54:11):
files and with a delivery promise the American people have
waited for far too long. We implore you to do so.
Several weeks ago, when a few brave survivors stood before
you and recounted their harrowing stories, many of you were
shaken to your core. We urge you, when you cast
your vote, please do not forget the horror you felt
that day. There is no middle ground here, There is

(54:32):
no hiding behind party affiliation. The testimonies you heard are
just a fraction of the unimaginable suffering endured by more
than a thousand victims alike. Epstein and Maxwell's crimes exposed
a double standard of justice, where rich and powerful men
and women e vague repercussions despite years of work to
bring them to justice, and most of Epstein and Maxwell's
co conspirators remain completely free, continuing to amass power and prestige,

(54:56):
living without apparent shame. As you gather with you her
family this season, this is important. Remember that your primary
duty is to your constituents. Look into the eyes of
your children, your sisters, your mothers, and your aunts. Imagine
if they had been preyed upon. Imagine if you yourself
were a survivor, what would you want for them? What

(55:16):
would you want for yourself? When you vote, we will
remember you and your decision at the ballot box. This
last April, we lost our sister, Virginia, true American hero
and a beacon of strength the survivors everywhere. Her resilience
in the face of immense adversity, the threats to her life,
financial ruin public shaming inspired us all. Her courage brought

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this case to a momentum excuse me, a monumental turning point,
and her testimony exposed the lurid secrets of global sex
trafficking network, and doing so, she brought down a prince
and paved the way for us to come forward and fight.
Virginia was failed over and over by the systems that
consistently believed and supported her abusers over her. Today, we

(55:58):
urge you not to fail another survivor and deny them
justice any longer. Embody Virginia's courage. This is what they're
saying to the members of Congress here in Washington. Be
brave and stand for her in her absence. Vote yes
on the Epstein Files Transparency Act. Vote for justice, accountability,
and the truth with gratitude, respect, and resilience from survivors

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and the family and friends who love them. And on
the back of the letter you see it on screen,
they're all the names of not all of the survivors,
but of the survivors and their family members who have
added their names to this. There's one where you just
see initials aw but imagine the pain and the heartache

(56:41):
and the suffering that these very brave people have endured
for years. And now Congress is on the edge of
a very big moment. Are they going to deny the
truth to the American people? Are they going to turn
their backs on the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein and Glenne Maxwell.

(57:06):
Are they going to do that to the Republican members
of the Congress. I mean, this is really this is
really directed at you. Are you going to protect and
shield Donald Trump once again? You know, he's put out
this Kakamami truth social posts trying to say now he's

(57:29):
going to have the Department of Justice, and Pam Bonnie
has already said, I'm going to do this, investigate the
Democratic figures who show up in these Epstein documents and
emails and so on. That is not what that is
not what the families want. That is not what the
survivors want. They want the Epstein files released. It is
something Donald Trump campaigned on. It is something that people

(57:52):
like Cash Mattel said he would do. It is something
that Pam Bonnie said she would do. And today she
said saying she's going to have the Southern District of
New York investigate Bill Clinton and Larry Summers and so on.
The survivors I've I've talked to some of the folks here.

(58:13):
They're just saying release the files. They're not saying pick
and shoes. Donald Trump is the one who wants to
pick and shoes.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
And why is that?

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Why does this continue to be an issue for him?
Why does he continue to be engaged in a cover up?
Why is the White House still engaged in a cover
up and strong arming the Justice Department as part of
that cover up that brought in poor Lauren Bobert and
brought her in.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
The situation room as part of this as an.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Attempted cover up, trying to strong arm people like Barjorie
Taylor Green and Nancy Mays to vote against releasing these files.
And make no mistake, ladies and gentlemen, going into next
week the White House, you've been at the Justice Department,
Cash Mattel, They're going to be lobbying these members of

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Congress to please don't vote for this. And it's expected
that there's going to be a jail break in the House,
that they have enough votes in the House that this
is going to get through the House. It's going to
come down to the Senate, ladies and gentlemen, where they
need sixty votes to call the vote, to call the
final vote on this. And if you're a Republican senator,

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who is going is this how you want to go down?
Is this how you want to be remembered? Will you
be able to face the voters at home? Will you
be able to face your constituents at home? If you
have once again help Donald Trump conceal the Epstein files.
The survivors want them released. It is time to release them.

(59:51):
It is time to stop playing games. It is time
to end the diversionary tactics. Donald Trump, what are you
so afraid of?

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Why are you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Asking Pam Bonni and the Justice Department to investigate the Democrats?

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Just release the damn files? What are you so afraid of?
Why won't you do it? What did you do?

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
As I've said on this show, is not what did
the president know and when did he know it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
It's what did he do? What did you do? What
did you do?

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
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the great Lily Gladstone. Really appreciate her time as well.
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