Jim Acosta

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Jim Acosta Show. And it's
another day that ends. And why in the Epstein gate
cover up, Donald Trump is claiming he's all in for
the vote in Congress this week to release the Epstein files.
But I don't think a lot of people are buying that,
at least I'm not. Trump can release the Epstein files
right now. He can do this right now as we're speaking.
He could have done this yesterday. He could have done

(00:27):
this months ago, as he promised. Make no mistake, it
appears at this point he is playing games on this.
My big guest at the top of the hour is
independent journalist Tara Palm Mary, who has been one of
the few leading reporters on Epstein in the world. And Tara,
great work as always on all of this. I mean,
that is the thing that everybody's talking about right now

(00:48):
is that Trump has said, oh, no, you can go
ahead and do it after months and months of delays
and calling it a hoax, And so I even called
it a hoax again today while he's indicating that he's
okay with this. What are your thoughts on all this,
because I mean, to me, it just this doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Add up It's very strange.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Why would they waste so much political capital on this
story to then eventually cow down. I think he's playing
catch up. I don't think he wanted it.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
To go this way.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I think he realizes this is what's going to happen.
And I saw it last week. I'm sure you did too,
once you saw Don Bacon, Birchett stew But like a
handful of Republicans said that they were going to have
to vote to release the files if it actually came
down to the fort.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
It's just too tough of a vote.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I mean, very rarely does do ninety percent of people
agree on anything like including that the Earth is round.
I mean, so they all realize that this is something
that they are going to have to vote on. And
President Trump, realizing that this is not a train he
can stop, is following them, which shows that he's losing
grip I think on his party and also in his

(01:51):
fight with Marjorie Trader Green, as he likes to follow
you when you look at X if you want to
stick your head in that cesspool. You notice, said a
lot of the followers of Trump and Marjorie Taylor Green,
they're really siding with her in this fight. And yeah,
so I think they're starting to catch on that the
online wars that he's losing them right now. And I

(02:15):
think that he knows that this is one.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Now here's another caveat.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I always think, and you know this having covered Washington
for a really long time, that every bill goes to
die in the Senate, right like that is a graveyard
for bills. So what happens next? But this is the
Epstein story. I mean, this is not you know, this
is this is not that your typical bill.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Can you really let it die?

Speaker 3 (02:43):
So we'll see what John fun does is he put
the bill on the floor by the end of the
week and just get it over with now once it
hits Trump's desk and say it's a veto proof majority
because he's given permission.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
To the entire GOP t BO on it. Basically, right,
he said, is the files?

Speaker 3 (02:57):
He just said that even if he releases the files,
does the dj actually release them in full.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Or does it redact a lot of it?

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Right?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
They're not very good at self policing, as we know,
and we already have a number of files on the
FBI's website right now. They're just all black lines. So
That's what I think. And that's why, as much as
everyone's like it's going to be a Trevor Treasure Trove,
it's going to be the endors box. I worry that
people are going to be disappointed in the level what

(03:28):
they consider to be sensitive information and.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Media.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
No, I agree.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Let's play a little bit of Trump this afternoon. He
was talking this afternoon in the Oval office, and just
everybody's aware of this, his voice is very raspy in
this video. I don't know why that is, but here's
Trump being asked whether he's okay with the things that
terrorist mentioned, which is, does he approve of this going
through the Senate? Will you sign this? And then, you know,

(03:55):
have these files come out. Let's listen to this's far.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
House Republican.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Is the vote in favor of this Epstein release bill
they're going to vote on tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
I just want to be super clear at your position.
Do you want to see that past the Senate?

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Would you sign that bill if it gets to your desk?
I do want to say, here's what I want.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
We have nothing to do with Epstein, the Democrats, all
of his friends were Democrats. You look at this Readhoff
and you look at Larry Summers, Bill Clinton, they went
to his island all the time, and many of his
oral Democrats. All I want is, I want for people
to recognize a great job that I've done on pricing,

(04:35):
on affordability, because we brought prices way down, but they
go way lower.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
Yeah, there's a lot of lying in there. What is
your reaction?

Speaker 1 (04:45):
He does a little bit later on indicate yes he
would sign it.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
You know, they almost had to pull.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
It out of it, So who knows, you know what
he thinks he's answered yes to.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
But you know, that was not very clear cut to me.
And he's still trying to.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Point the fingers everywhere but himself, especially at Democratic figures.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, I mean Trump was a Democrat when he was
friends with Jeffrey Epstein, So like we all have to
remember that that's writing checks to Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer.
And this is why Jeffrey Epstein could brag so much
about the fact that he was friends with Donald Trump.
I mean, he wasn't really a political guy until I

(05:26):
think around two thousand. Well, he's always been political, Like
he's always thought that he could run because of his
whatever you want to call it, thousands from the blank
whatever it is about his personality that makes him think
that he could lead people. But you know, when did
he really become a Republican when he latched onto the
birth of a movement?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
I would think.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Exactly that the other came out of Endoris Romney in
twenty twelve, but yeah, that was in that time frame, exactly,
That's right.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, so let's let's remember that.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
And yeah, there's terrible things about Democrats in those files,
for sure, based on what we already know Virginia Gifry,
which she said about Senator Bill richardson Senator Mitchell, I mean.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
She said that she was trafficked to them.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
And these are prominent Democratic senators, colleagues of former President
Joe Biden, which I've always wondered if that was part
of the reason why the files never came forward, was
because that even in Virginia's depositions alone, she had these
really damning details about prominent Democrats, prominent Democratic donors. But
at the same time, a lot of people who were

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Democrats a part of the tech like the tech illuminati,
the tech no oligarchy, whatever you want to call them.
Peter Tiel, the surge, A Brins, the that entire circle.
I mean, they're all Republicans now, and even Elon Musk
like he was hanging out with Jeffrey Epsien. You saw
on the calendar. They said, well Elon may come to

(06:55):
the island.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
We're not sure.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
So everyone who was a Democrat then is now a
republic So I don't really think it matters anymore.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, And Reid Hoffman put out a statement we should
put out. He didn't heat tweet over the weekend that
this is false what's being said about him and so on.
But Trump has been pointing the finger at him, He's
been pointing finger at Larry Summers. I mean, it's kind
of irrelevant right from the standpoint of the survivors here,
because they don't they're not partisan in this. They want
these files released, they want the truth to come out.

(07:24):
They want justice. Doesn't matter if it's Democrats are in
their Republicans in there. And the other thing that Terry,
you and I should talk about is the emails that
came out last week. Not been able to do a show.
You and I have not been able to do a
shore since that happened. But I saw your comments out
there that this is not the files that the emails
are not the files is not the same thing the files.
There's a lot more in the files.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, I mean some of these emails will probably be
in the files because they would have been used in
discovery for various cases. But the files are I mean
way more expansive as we know, three hundred and thirty
gigabytes apparently, and we've only gotten one percent of them
so far. These are just emails from the estate. We're
just putting pieces together based on Jeffrey Epstein's correspondence, not
even during the period in which.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
He was prosecuted.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
We don't even know why he got the sweetheart deal
based on these files. And so we're just putting it
all together right now.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
And so what the Justice Department is holding back, what
Trump is holding back, is a whole lot more.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
Could be pictures, could be videos, Oh definitely.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Well I know that from Virginia.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
I mean she said that she was brought into the
FBI's headquarters and if they showed her pictures of girls
with men because everything was being recorded, she was asked
to try to identify her body.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
She couldn't.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
There's video footage, like there are real files and that
like that was even in the pictures like the New
York Times when they went in there and took pictures,
you could see there are little cameras all over the house.
This was his KGB tactic style. So I think everybody
needs to understand that there's a lot in there. And
that's why I'm very dubious about how much we're actually

(09:01):
going to seephen files. I've always been very dubious and
suspicious of this. I think ultimately the truth comes out
through a whistleblower, and then that person's going to have
to leave the country for a really long time, unfortunately.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
And then there's what Congressman Thomas Massey was saying over
the weekend. He was saying that he doesn't buy what
Trump is saying no matter what, basically, no matter what
he says, because you know they Trump has already ordered
an investigation into Democratic figures by the Justice Department. Pam
Bonni has apparently said that she's going to do this,
and Thomas Massey was saying over the weekend on one

(09:34):
of the Sunday talk shows that, well, they may not
be able to open up the Epstein files if there
are open investigations now into let's say Larry Summers or
Bill Clinton or whatever.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yea very convenient way to close again.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
You went from case closed, there are no third parties,
to guess what, we're reopening it again based on some emails.
You know, it's all so shady. I mean, everybody in
that Justice department.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
How can we how can.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Anyone take how can someone trust anyone in the Justice Department?
Right now you've got Pam Bondi running the place saying
I've got the Epstein files on my desk. Then months
later there are no Epstein files, there were no third parties,
there was nothing case closed. It's all a figment of
our imaginations.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Okay. And by the way, that's impossible.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
I the depositions of the girls, which are publicly available
even right now, show that there are other men.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
That they accused of being trafficked to.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
So it's like, you can't say that this is all
some sort of figment of the imagination unless you are
saying that a witness testimony is not evidence, And in
that case, you are literally saying that these people do
not matter, that what they are saying is not applicable,
it is not.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Permissible, and that is what they have been saying.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
FBI Director Cash Patal admitted that he did not read
witness testimony. Neither did alex Acosta. None of these men
care about what happened to these women. They do not
care about their accounts. Their accounts are not valid, which
shows you exactly how they think about this story. How
they value the how sorry, Jim, it just gets me

(11:08):
kind of worked up.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
But like now I got me too.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
How they value victims, how they value these these women.
It's the power imbalance. The Justice Department supposed to be
working for the people, but instead they are silencing them.
And these women are just knocking on the door, begging.
And now they're going back to Washington this week. They
made this beautiful video.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
Oh yeah, we should play that video.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, yeah, I'm mad.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
We have the video.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Let's play the video and let's talk about because to me,
this is this video is extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
I know, I suffered so much pain, so much pain,
so much pain.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
I suffered so much pain.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
I was fourteen years.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Old, I was sixteen years old, was.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Sixteen seventeen, fourteen years old.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
This is me, This was me, This is me when
I met Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
There are about a thousand of us. It's time to
bring the secrets out of the shadows. It's time to
shine a light into the darkness.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, and that is from Lisa Bryant, who was the
producer of the Filthy Rich Epstein documentaries. I actually worked
with her on the second one on Glenn Maxwell, since
I've done a lot of reporting on Glenn.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I had a podcast on her.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Two podcasts, but ones on Jeffrey, the other ones on Glen,
and so yeah, it's I'm really, really really.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Proud of them.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
I obviously know a lot of these survivors really well. Jenna,
who was holding up, she's like visibly shaking. She was
wearing the brown shirt, really looks young with the hoop earrings.
I mean when I first met her back in two thousand,
twenty nineteen, I mean she struggled to like sit through
a dinner with me.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
It was really hard for her.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
I don't think people understand how many of these women
end up having drug problems, committing suicide, having severe mental
problems after being.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Trafficked so young. My heart broke for them.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Courtney Wilde came to his doorstep fourteen braces on and she,
you know, ended up spending all the money that she
won from a sit table case with him, which was like,
you know, I don't know how many, maybe a million dollars,
she blew it, but on drugs to not feel and
then she ends up in prison. She's the one who

(14:03):
ends up in actual prison, like it's a real prison,
not a county jail like what Epstein stayed. And she
fought from prison for the Crime Victim's Rights Act to
fight to reverse that sweetheart deal, claiming that they were
never notified of this Crime Victims Rights Act, that they
were never notified of the sweetheart deal, and therefore the

(14:25):
case needs to be overturned. And it just breaks my
heart that she spent more time in prison than Jeffrey
Epstein because the money, she said, made her feel like
she was just being paid over and over and over again.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
It made her feel like she was a prostitute. And
he offered her a he offered her lawyers.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
He offered all these girls lawyers, telling them that they
were the teenage prostitutes and that they needed representation and
he could say help them, and a lot of them
took them the lawyers. Courtney did originally because they were
so young, they didn't know any better.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
They were groomed, they were manipulated. They had no home.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
They came from broken home, and they had no self esteem.
They didn't even think they were worth fighting for. And
it wasn't until Courtney read her best friend's deposition who
had brought her to Epstein's house, that she decided that
she was going to fight and she was going to

(15:19):
make sure that he spent the rest of his life
in jail, and she did it from behind bars.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
And now the Crime Victim's Rights Act.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
She was there with Nancy Pelosi when it was finally unveiled,
and it was like a huge I mean when I
see her, I'm like, I'm just so.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Proud of her.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
I did a bunch of episodes just on her because
her story is incredible. Some broken Jeffrey Epstein. But yeah,
this is a podcast I did with Julie K. Brown
and Adam McKay and it's just this is a really
big moment for them. And I could see when I
was there on the hill, they were just like gleek.
They were glowing. They were so happy. They felt like
they had some power again. And I think this is

(15:56):
what the story is about these women taking back power.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
Yeah, no, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
And the heartbreaking I mean, there are so many heartbreaking
parts of that video for such a short video. As
you know, they say I was fourteen. I was fifteen,
you know. And there was this Megan Kelly thing last
week where she was trying to redefine you know what.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
I don't know what the hell she was doing, but
this there.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Shouldn't even be a conversation about this when girls are
that young. There's just there's I don't get that. I
don't understand where that comes from. This like trying to
justify or explain it away thing that people do, and
she was trying to do it late that I just
thought it was.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
It was heinous. So it never was I, you know, Jim,
I I made a video. It just like hit me
really hard.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
While I was working on a magazine Pieced and I this,
and I was writing and I was going on these shows.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
It's just me.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
I was like, oh my god. When I worked on this,
on the epscene podcast and the magazine piece of spart
I remember listening to the voices of these girls talking
to the detective for Carrie. He was the palm Beach
detective who worked on this case relentlessly, by the way,
and when I heard their voices, I was like, oh

(17:09):
my god, these girls are so young. I have to
get the audio of these voices and play them on
my short, on my reel wherever I can put it
out so people can hear, so that they're not confused
by what Megan Kelly is saying. And I remember that
one of the girls called his penis a wee wee,
like that is how young she was. They were, And
so I like, I put it out on a reel,
and you know, people really responded to it, because I don't.

(17:33):
I think, like, that's what was so brilliant about that
video is that you see their faces, you know, you
hear your voices. You have to be reminded that, yes,
they're adult women now, but they were children then.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
And exact, there are a lot of apologists.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Out there for Jeffrey Epstein, believe it or not, and
they they they say, like, these girls were teenage prostitutes.
I mean literally, the crime that he pled guilty to
was I think it was the word teen and prostitute.
We were the same. It was soliciting a fourteen year.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Old for prostitution right right, right right, as if a
teen could be a prostitute. So it was just a
bosing over.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
And over again that these girls were in the wrong,
that they were, they were you know, they had done
something wrong. And so I feel like it was it
felt like it came over me. I'm like, I got
to get this out there. I got to get the
sound out. And honestly, Mike and Kelly should go listen
to the sound. She should go listen to those girls depositions.
She should hear what they had to say, what they
went through, and here in their voices as kids, They're like,

(18:39):
there were girls there and you know they're children, Like, yeah,
there's nothing sophisticated about them.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
They there were a lot of them were poor girls.
He created a pyramid scheme instead of a high school.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Right.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Well, she wouldn't be talking that way, Megan Kelly, if
we were talking about somebody else besides Donald Trump. Right,
He's just doing this because I mean, and maybe that
is some of the good news that we're seeing, you know,
develop over the last you know, couple of days, which
is he's just running out of he's running out of
real estate. Here, he's running out a runway on this.

(19:14):
He's lost Marjorie Taylor Green, He's attacking Margie Tailer. They
try to bring in Lauren Bobert to the situation room
and that didn't work.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Phone on and.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
How intimidating too right, we're trying to look it's like
a shakedown.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
It's a shakedown, and it didn't work. And it didn't work.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
And now the word on the street is is that
it may be a near unanimous vote in the House
of Representatives. I can't think of the last time anything
was near unanimous vote when it was something that was
once this contentious, and you know, it's it's extraordinary to me.
And I don't know how they can vote against it
in the Senate either, if it comes out of the
House like gambusters, which is why it's gonna look, it's

(19:54):
gonna look like a jail break.

Speaker 6 (19:56):
No.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
And you know what, I did a big like investigation
on Lisa Murkowski, the senator from Alaska. Yeah, and how
she had this really tangled web of connections to Glenn
Maxwell and they spent a lot of time together and
she voted against releasing the Epstein files in September, on
the day that Charlie Kirk was murdered. Well, last night

(20:17):
she made it clear that she'll be voting to release
the files.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
So this is a really big deal everybody. And I
think not.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
You know, I think I'm going to go up there
because I think they're going to be some of these
folks are gonna be running scared. They're still gonna be
running from the cameras. It's going to be very interesting
to observe the behavior up there up on Capitol Hill
because there are a lot of Republicans who were just
dead against this. They didn't want to they didn't they
were going to line up behind Trump and it fell apart.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Oh, Donald Trump, Yeah, still freaking out.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
We have the video from I think it was Friday
evening day, or maybe it was last It might have
been last night. He was still getting pissed. You got
pissed off of somebody Friday. I posted that video. This
is last night, he freaks out a reporter. I believe
they're leaving Palm Beach and he's being asked about Thomas
Massey and what he's been saying about how you know

(21:11):
this is you know, they're still trying to play games
over there.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
Listen to he calls her fake news. Listen to the
way he treats this reporter. He's still freaking out.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
He says, he's concerned that the ex team PROB you
are calling for to be a smoke screen to lock
the week of the files not the case.

Speaker 7 (21:28):
Well, I don't want to talk about it because fake
news like you. You're a terrible reporter, and fake news
like you. They just keep bringing that up to deflect
from the tremendous success of the Trump administration. So a
guy like Massi, his Faull numbers is showing he's a
six percent approval rating right now, and we call him
Ran Paul Junior because he never votes for the Republican Party.

(21:52):
So they're using Jeffrey Epstein as a deflection from the
tremendous success that we're having as a party.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
Yeah, I mean terror to me.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
I know his behavior when he acts that way, he
knows he's in trouble y. He it's not looking good,
you know, And that's when he starts to flip out
like that, call people fake news.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I mean, yes, you've been there, We've all been there. Yeah, and.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
So something's up. I mean, that's you and I did
not talk about an emails last week.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Right, Yeah, sorry, no, no, I just feel like he's
losing his grip. That's what I'm seeing right now.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, And what did you make of that twenty eleven
email where you know, Jeffrey Epstein is saying he was
over at my house for hours with victim redacted. They
alleged their allegations that it was Virginia Giufray. Until I
see the email without the redaction there, I don't believe
what anybody says. I just want to see it for myself.
But how does he spend hours at Jeffrey Epstein's house

(22:52):
and there not be something untoward going on? It just
seems to me, you know, that email is just so damning.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, no, it's really it's really something else, especially because
there wasn't it wasn't exchanged to be one day dug
up by a you know, a House oversight committee, or
to be these are just two people having a conversation,
Bonnie and Clyde, casual, you know, preparing trying to collude

(23:24):
actually about how to handle their own cases, and they're
wondering how did Donald Trump not got caught in all
of this? So it's like it's really something.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
We'll see I don't.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
I think you can't be friends with someone for decades
and not know what they're up to. It's like, yeah,
we were, really we were. We were in the same
town together, we spent I mean, he wasn't even a member.
This whole time they've been saying he's a member of
mar Lago and then't. So they were so close he
didn't need a membership.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I mean, what.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
Does make sense.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
I don't believe anything that comes out of the White
House because of the fact that I was told that
there is literally no merita on on Jeffrey Epstein, and
so they cannot ask him questions about it. Trump doesn't
want to talk about it, like you know, interesting aids
where they don't want to ask tough questions of Trump
how to respond to the press. So it's like bullshit
to hope, you know. And then that's it. So I

(24:21):
just don't believe any of the stories they make up.
I just like, yeah, okay, cool, thanks, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
And this is in this thing that they're doing now,
where is Oh yeah, I'm in favor of go ahead and.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
Vote for it. This is this.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
This is his latest coping mechanism. The next coping mechanism
would be completely different. He he's just making this up
as he goes along, it just seems to me. And
he's going to keep flipping out every He's going to
be drag kicking and screaming every step of the way,
and you just that's why you just can't buy it
in my view, until there's a full release of the files.
Uh tera palm Mary as always. Oh sorry, one last thing,

(24:53):
did you want to make one last comment?

Speaker 2 (24:54):
No, no, I was just agreeing with you. This is
just it's insane.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
But thank you for having me, Jim, and I appreciate
your dedication to the story. Eve been really all over it.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
And it's you too, No, not as much as you.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
I've just you know to me, like you know, it's
obvious he's hiding something. It's obvious they're hiding something. And
you can't hide this. This is not this is not something.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
That should be hidden.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, when it involves President the United States or really
any powerful figure or anybody. Now, and make sure to
fall of Tara is reporting on substack all of the socials.
You have a very important substack, Tara, and everybody needs
to follow it.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
So we appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
As always, Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Thanks Eric, great to see it, really appreciate it. Yeah,
and I wanted to show. And you know, my friend
Juliette over at Decoding Fox News, she has this new
thing now.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
I got to get her on.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Where she she blocks out Trump's face and blocks out
his voice because people are so sick of hearing him
and seeing him. But you get to, you know, listen
to what he is saying, all his bullshit lies and
so on.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
But I do think from time to time it.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Is instructive to show, oh, the way he is lashing
out at reporters, because the way he lashed out at
that reporter last night leaving Palm Beach to me, I mean,
I just know because I've been on the receiving end
of this.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
He looks like his goose is cooked.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
And that's a perfect segue to my next guest. You know,
great Joe Walsh is with US former Republican congressman now Democrat.
And Joe, I saw your I think I saw some
of your stuff earlier today saying don't believe any of
this crap. You know that he's like he's he's a
sudden convert to releasing the files.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
Come on, man, Well and Jim always good to be
with you.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
I love you, I love your sub Steck, I love
teror Palmyerty, and I love her. When she says she
can't believe anything coming out of this White House, I
laugh because you the rule of life is you can't
believe anything that comes out of Trump's mouth, right, Jim.
Somebody somebody posted this today, so I'm stealing it. I

(27:00):
tweeted it, but it was along the lines of I've
never seen anyone fight so hard to suppress the evidence
of their innocence. Like if Trump is innocent, he's working
his ass off to not show any evidence of that,

(27:21):
to keep these It's like bizarro, right, He's fighting so hard.
He says he's innocent. Nothing there, nothing there, but he's
fighting tooth and nailed not to let anything come out
that would prove he's innocent.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Nobody innocent has ever looked this guilty, you know, just
you know, if they prove it and they release everything
unredacted and nothing's been destroyed, I guess maybe I'll maybe
I'll believe it, but I don't, you know, like the
way he's worked on this, it's this truth social post,
this rambling. He says, Okay, we have nothing to hide.

(27:56):
Let's move on. Let's let every house Republican should vote
to least the epscy BOWSI says, And then it goes
on this rambling. You know, Joe, I've been talking about this.
I know you've been talking about He just he seems
like he's just completely lost it. He's out to lunch.
He's just one flew over the cuckoo's nest here now.
And it just depends on how bad it's going to get.

(28:17):
It seems to me between now and January twenty twenty nine.
I wonder what your thoughts are. But there's a lot
of spinning of the wheels there. There's a lot of spiraling.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
I'm not gonna read.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
And I like what you said earlier with Terra and
when he got off that plane last night. This is
a man who looks like his goose is cooked. Look
coming from Maga like I do. He can lie about
the twenty twenty election, They'll buy it. He can lie
about Haitian migrants eating cats and dogs, They'll buy it.
He can even try to lie about tariffs and all

(28:50):
of that stuff. But he and JD. Vance and all
of my former buddies out in the right wing media
world for years, they promised the bait, the goods, yes,
and this one he can't escape. So partly it's that, Jim,
and I also think partly it's highly likely there's ugly, ugly,

(29:13):
ugly shit about him in there.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
I mean again, I don't know, Oh it's a pedophile.
I'm not gonna say stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
We don't know. We don't know what we don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
But he's also denied having knowledge of it. Yeah, so
there's evidence that he's had knowledge of it. That's bad too. So,
I mean there's lots of there are many, you know,
colors on the spectrum here of how bad this and
how dark it gets.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Right, And the danger with Trump always is because there's
always such bullshit. We laugh about it, like now he
wants release the files and everybody says, oh, that's because
he knows a hundred Republicans in the House tomorrow will
vote to release and he's trying to get ahead of
the parade. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all part of it.
But the truth, Jim, is more sinister. I can't tell

(30:00):
you that Pam Bondy hasn't scrubbed or shredded any evidence
of anything.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
We don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
There's a reporting by Bloomberg over the summer that indicated
that they were looking for references to him.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
So and the scarier thing is what Trump did last
week ordering Pambondy, who's not the attorney general, she's Trump's lawyer,
ordering Pambondy to start and another Epstein investigation. I have
no doubt that he did that. They did that to
protect himself because if it ever gets to the point

(30:34):
where Trump might have to sign the release Pam, Bondi's
going to get in front of the camera's Jim and
say I can't release anything. There's a there's an ongoing,
active investigation. I think that's why they did what they
did last week.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yes, and it gives them cover for saying, you know, hey, guys, sorry,
you know, we want to get to the bottom of
this Larry Summers thing or whatever.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
Who the hell knows.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
There's an ongoing investigation. And Jim, that ongoing investigation, that
new investigation that Trump told Bondi to launch against Democrats
in Epstein, that ongoing investigation will go on for the
next three years.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
You know.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
And Joe, I got to wonder what you think about
Trump going after Marjorie Taylor Green and calling her Marjorie
Trader Green.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
He was asked about this last night. We should play
this video.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
He was asked about this last night, and he acts
as though he does not have a care in the
world that she is now getting death threats and everything else.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
We should play that if we can.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Her mind would be a danger because of the rhetoric.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
Her life is in danger.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Who's that, Harvey Taylor Green?

Speaker 7 (31:40):
He said, Marjorie Trader Gren. I don't think her life
is in danger. I don't think frankly, I don't think
anybody cares about her. Okay, what about you?

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, he knows that he knows what he's doing. He's
done this to a number of people, calls up. He
called the press the enemy of the people. We got
death threats. I mean that happened all the time, and
he's doing it to her. And now she's been saying, like,
over the last twenty four hours she's had death threats.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
I believe she said.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
That there was a threat of a pipe bomb, and
you know, this is real stuff and she could get hurt,
and he is egging it on.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
What do you think about all this?

Speaker 4 (32:18):
A reminder that he's a horrible guy. He's a bad guy.
He's a psychopath. He doesn't care about anybody but himself,
that's one thing. So he is purposely endangering her. But
Jim Acosta, you know, and I know, any of us
who stand up publicly and oppose him, we live with threats.
Marjorie now knows that, and it's wrong. But now Marjorie

(32:43):
knows what all of us who've opposed Trump for seven
eight nine years have lived with. This is scary, dangerous stuff.
And as Jim as the MAGA coalition kind of begins
to crack up, and it's beginning. Yeah, we're going to
see real, sporadic shots of violence. I think it could

(33:04):
get ugly.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
It could get ugly.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
I mean, I'm wondering what you think about this, Joe,
because you know, they haul in Lauren Bobert into the situation.
That doesn't work. They're trying to peel off somebody else. Obviously,
they try to get Margine Jelly Green to back off.
She didn't do it, and you know, people they're standing
up to him a little bit. I don't want to
hand out any you know, presidential Medal of Freedom or

(33:27):
anything like that. I'd love to ask Margese Taylly Green.
Does she still believe that the twenty twenty election was
stolen and that sort of thing? But what do you
make of how she has been defying him? Do you
think that there's some sincerity involved here? Perhaps there is
on some levels. Maybe now that it's been made real
to her, she gets it and maybe a light bulb
has gone off.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
I don't know. I'd love to get a read on it,
you know.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
So my answer to you, my good friend, is I
don't know. And I say that from the perspective of
someone like me, who was a divisive political asshole and
seventy I came out.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
You weren't this bad, Joe, No.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
No, no, no, But Acosta, you raked me over the
colls deservedly, so a few times.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
You were twenty twelve bad. That's not a different universe.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
By the way, Jim, that's an amazing thing you just said,
Like today, I would be like a squishy moderate in
that party. That's amazing what you just said. Twenty twelve bad.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Yeah, But like I came out, I said, I'm no
longer going to be a divisive asshole, and I publicly
came out against Trump. Now and for seven years Jim,
I've had to prove myself. I've had to prove it
was genuine, that my conversion was genuine. Marjorie's gonna have
to walk the same road. The only difference is all

(34:45):
she said yesterday was I'm not going to be a
divisive asshole anymore. But she still supports Trump and she's
still full on maga. So it's a different play. And Jim,
you nailed it right. She believes January sixth was a
patriotic day? Does she still believe that?

Speaker 5 (35:02):
Right?

Speaker 1 (35:03):
I mean that's what we and I think this is where,
you know, the deprogramming starts to begin, maybe, and and
reality starts to set in and people's information bubbles and
silos start to get puncture.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
I mean, there's the situation over at.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
The Heritage Foundation, to which I feel like, if there
wasn't all this other crazy stuff happening, we would spend
a lot of time talking about this. You know, Tucker
Carlson interviews Nick Fuentis. Then Kevin Roberts, the head of
the Heritage Foundation, defends Tucker Carlson. Then he has to
backpedal and say, well, I didn't really know what Nick
Fuentes was like. Give me a break. Yes you did.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
You're a liar.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
And all these people are bailing from the Heritage Foundation
like big people. I mean maybe I don't really recognize them,
but I've been told they're big people the Heritage Foundation.
And these are the Project twenty twenty five people, Joe.
So it's not this is not like some think tank
that's just a throwaway think tank.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
This is oh god, no, the Yeah, when I was
in Congress, hereda, you wanted Heritage's plus Now heritage was different.
Then the story of Heritage is the story of the
Republican Party. It moves from tea party to MAGA free
trade to nationalistic authoritarian. The Heritage Foundation did the same
damn thing. And I mean what happened is, you know,

(36:19):
Trump the party became radicalized and he let all these
different various people come out from under their rocks and
now they're out there in power and they're starting to
fight with each other.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
Yeah, it's wild. It's wild.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
And you know, and the other bit of news to
me that is astounding is that this judge in the
Komy case may throw that case out the window. And
he's saying that there was there I think he used
misconduct potential misconduct in this case. And no shit, yes,
I mean, you know it's obvious, but there are cracks.

(36:58):
There are so many cracks under Donald Trump's feet right now.
It's I have not seen anything like this in some
time since you know, you know, twenty twenty twenty, you know,
January sixth, that era. You know, that's really dicey for
him right now.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
I agree with you, Jim, but everybody listening to us
right now, to this your wonderful show. Here, take it
from a former MAGA guy. We bend out. We've been
here before, and don't. He is still the ring leader.
He's still the cult leader, and that's not changing. And
if Marjorie Taylor Green wants to run for president in

(37:33):
twenty eight or Tucker or JD, they need his blessing.
No matter how much they fight with each other, He's
still he still has a hold on that base that
no one comes close to.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
You're right, no, that's true.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Well, Joe, I definitely want to get your pulse on
all this because to me, you know, this is this
is a big moment. This week we're about to see
take place is a big moment, and they've been dragged
kicking in screaming in this direction. Donald Trump does not
want this week to play out the way it's going
to play out. He's going to have Muhammed ben Salmon
over at the White House. They're going to give them

(38:07):
fighter jets. I mean, there's that's a whole other, you know,
stuff to get. I mean, then we can get into
that at some point later on this week. But that's
important stuff. But he is not in control of this
Epstein story. The White House is not in control of something,
and he hates that.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
He hates the most.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Hey, Jim, he doesn't know what a patard is, but
he's hoisted on his own patard. He doesn't know, but
that's what's happened. They built this thing up for years
and he now can't escape it.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
That's it. That's it, Joe. Great to see man, Thanks
a lot, Love you, Jim. And you weren't really you
never were bad. I think you were just you know
you No.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
I'm going to use that quote, I was twenty twelve bad.
I'm going to use that.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
We admit we had nice you know, genteel Mit Romney
to compare you to and all this it was all
relative back then.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Thanks Jim.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
Good to the h l right, take care. And you
know what, there's something about redemption.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
There's something about coming back from the cold, coming out
from the cold. And I've always felt this way. I
know a lot of other folks feel this way. That
you know, people can have some pretty extraordinarily you know,
awful beliefs, I suppose you could say, or some very

(39:24):
far right beliefs that are just way outside of the mainstream.
But you know that I think does not completely just
cut somebody off from redemption. You can have redemption. And
I don't know whether we're seeing that right now from
margin children. I'll be really honest with you. I have
a lot of suspicions that some of this is, you know,

(39:44):
because she wants to run for president or Trump didn't
go along with her running for the Senate thing. You know,
I saw Adam Kinzinger was like, give me a break,
you know what about all the January sixth stuff. I
you know, I used to go up to her up
on Capitol Hill and griller on, you know, wanting to
declare Marshall all this stuff. And so it remains to

(40:05):
be seen how this is all going to play out
In terms of Margine Taylor. There's one other little tiny
bit of information that I can offer. In all of this,
there was some speculation, and this is for folks who
maybe spend too much time online, like myself, And there
was all this talk of Donald Trump and Bill Clinton,
and there was a Mark Epstein email about Bubba and

(40:26):
all the emails that were released last week, and there
was oh, my goodness, is Bubba Bill Clinton? Because back
in the day, that was one of Bill Clinton's nicknames.
People called him Bubba, and it was a whole thing.
And as it turns out, Mark Epstein says, no, that
is not the case. He has released a statement saying,
for the avoidance of doubt, the reference to Bubba in

(40:48):
this correspondence is not in any way a reference to
former President Bill Clinton.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
He goes on to.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Say, you know, any attempt to conflate that reference with
President Clinton, or to read sweeping implications into them, misrepresents
both the purpose and the tone of the original correspondence.
I want to be absolutely clear on the point that
the public record has not distorted, and so that speculation
does not unfairly implicate people who are not actually being

(41:14):
referenced in those communications. So that's for Mark Epstein. I
had him on over the summer. He still believes to
this day that something happened to his brother, Jeffrey Epstein
in that prison. When it was stated by the government
that Jeffrey Epstein hung himself, Mark Epstein does not believe
that that is the case.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
And you know, one of the things that we.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
All have to keep in mind is we don't know
what we don't know, and that is why the Epstein
files must be released. Donald Trump can play all of
the games that he wants, He.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
Can blow up at every reporter.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
That comes into the Oval office or hangs out on
the tarmac for Air Force One, but he cannot stop
the truth. He cannot stop the truth, and he is
not in control of this story.

Speaker 5 (42:06):
As we saw last.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Week, we saw the emails that were released last week.
We still don't know what's in the Epstein files. Perhaps
there's something in the Epstein files about Jeffrey Epstein's death,
But we saw the emails last week. We saw the
emails that say from Jeffrey Epstein to Glaine Maxwell that
Donald Trump spent hours at his house with victim redacted,

(42:33):
with victim redacted. We still don't have an explanation as
to why that is the case. And I think there
are some good reporters in the Oval Office today who
are pressing Donald Trump on whether or not he's going
to go along with signing this bill if it gets
out of the Senate to release the compel the release
of the Epstein files. But I still think the question

(42:53):
has to be asked. Question has to be asked of
Donald Trump.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
Somebody should auditi just carry that that.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Email into the carry the email into the Oval office
and read.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
It to him.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Read that April twenty eleven email to Donald Trump from
Jeffrey Epstein to Gallaine Maxwell, and ask him what does
this mean. Why does it say that you spent hours
at Jeffrey Epstein's house, and why was Jeffrey Epstein saying
this back in April of twenty eleven. You keep saying
this is a Democratic hoax and it's the Democrats trying

(43:29):
to get me, and the Republicans say, this is all
about the Democrats trying to get Donald Trump. That has
nothing to do with this email. This email predates ninety
nine percent of his political career, and it is an
email from two of the sickest people who have ever
walked this earth talking about Donald Trump, who became president

(43:51):
spending hours at Jeffrey Epstein's house. Can anybody make that
make sense? Can Donald Trump make that make sense? And
so to me, this is an email, and we all,
some of us at these news organizations still have printers.
That email should be printed up by a reporter, brought

(44:13):
into the Oval office or to a press conference and
ask mister President, what is going on with this email?
Can you make it make sense? Why were you spending
hours at Jeffrey Epstein's house?

Speaker 6 (44:28):
And he.

Speaker 5 (44:30):
Let him say whatever he wants to say, but the
gold star, if I can hand out gold stars, goes
to the reporter who asked that damn question. It needs
to be asked.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
And all I can tell you, folks, having been in
that position, when he starts throwing around fake news, you're
pretty much flying over the target. Folks, you're pretty much
flying over the target. When he he starts screaming about
fake news, you're pretty damn close to real news. And so,

(45:07):
Donald Trump, we have seen this movie before. We know
when you start calling people names, when you start saying
fake news and you start calling members of Congress a trader,
we must be getting awfully damn close to something called
the truth, and the truth is catching up to Donald Trump.

(45:28):
Did you hear him in the Oval office day? Sounded
awfully damn rasby. Sounds like somebody who hasn't had a
whole heck of a lot of sleep lately. Sounds like
somebody who's been up late at night. Heh let's listen
to this again.

Speaker 6 (45:41):
We have nothing to do with that. F seeing the Democrats.
All of his friends were Democrats.

Speaker 5 (45:46):
You look at his reetop, and you look at Larry
You were one of his friends.

Speaker 6 (45:50):
Bill Clinton, They went to his island all the time,
many of his oral Democrats.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
A lot of lying, whole lot of want.

Speaker 6 (45:56):
Is I want for people to recognize a great job
that I've done.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
And he goes on to say he's doing great jobbing prices,
which is also bullshit.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
By the ways that we haven't even gotten into that.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
That's bullshit too. Prices are not coming down. Everybody sees
the prices are going on. Put that to the side.
This does not sound like a man standing on solid ground.
The cracks are starting to appear under Donald Trump's feet,
and the cracks are getting bigger, Ladies and gentlemen, The

(46:30):
cracks are getting a lot bigger, and the truth.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
Has a hell of a way.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
It may be delayed, it may be denied, it may
be pushed off, but it has a hell of a
way of hanging in there and making a comeback. And
that is Donald Trump's worst nightmare. Everybody, that's his worst nightmare.
My thanks to the wonderful tear Paul Mary, My thanks

(47:00):
to Joe Walsh as well. My thanks to all of
you for watching. Still reporting from Washington, I'm Jim Accostas here.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
Next time,