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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I really really wanted to talk to you about the
fact Mike Johnson is now reopening the House, which means,
guess what's back on the docket the Epstein files.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
So what will happen theoretically is that the the House
will vote to subpoena the Epstein file.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Or files.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Theoretically it is everything that exists within the United States
government on Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Michael Joela, so much to discuss. Last time I saw you,
the Democrats were riding high off their victory from the election,
and now it's.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And they were also winning the shutdown hands down. This
was their shutdown, which doesn't usually happen that the opposition
party can claim victory on this. But given that it
is Trump who can be counted on to so often
shoot himself in the foot again and again, because fundamentally he.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Is self destructive.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
So when he's taking food, snatching food from from babies,
when he's not snatching.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Babies themselves, to.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Refusing to refusing to find money to pay the air
controllers to again and again and again, essentially essentially being
willing and enjoying it to ups to disrupt major.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Parts of American life.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
This is what he would do, I am going to
do that. So there he was remote, disengaged, having parties uncaring,
and you know, a complete shit.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So that's what we went into.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And suddenly yesterday the Democrats are like, okay, we give up.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
It was incomprehensible to me too. And also it's very
unusual to see the Democrats turn on each other. I mean,
you had Gavin Newsom saying this is unconditional surrender. At
the other side of the country of Newsom's in California
and New York, Richie Torres is saying this is ridiculous.
(02:22):
How do we make sense of this?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I mean the Democrats.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I guess we make sense by saying the Democrats are
the Democrats and ultimately they fall back or or a
good a good in this in this case, a decisive
margin of the.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Democrats fell back.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Unseeing this as politics as usual, right right, politics as
Trump exclusively Trump, anomalously Trump, you know, never to be
the same Trump. This is like like, you know, we're
we're in the Senate and Senate doesn't like this, and
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we have to we have to be practical and and well.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And I think they're seeing lines for food, right and
they're thinking this is really bad. I mean, I think
they're genuinely caring the people that made.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
The decisions, right, absolutely, but they are seeing this as
as a political event rather than an existential one.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
But the crazy of it, because even Trump knew that
they were that the Republicans were losing the shutdown. He
actually said, people are blaming the Republicans.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
He did. But what he did also say and has
been saying within the White House is is in his threes,
they'll fold, they'll fold, they'll fold, and if they do,
we win.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
We win, we win.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Saying that in the White House.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yes, he said this to both aids, because the Republicans
have been really worried about this, you know, I mean essentially,
essentially this is not involved the Democrats. What it had
been up until yesterday, involving the Republicans negotiating against each other.
How do we get this guy Trump to a sit
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down for a meeting, listen to the Democrats appear to
come to some kind of kind of compromise, I mean,
work it out as these things have always been worked out.
And that didn't happen because because he doesn't do it,
he doesn't, you know, the greatest I am the greatest
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negotiator on Earth. In truth, he is not a negotiator
or the worst negotiator, but really not a negotiator. It's
my way or the highway, always my way or the highway.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So what's inside Trump's had Because he was feeling a
bit raw coming off the Democratic victory, he just did
a fiery interview with Laura Ingram where she he pushed
back on his idea for fifty year mortgages. She pushed
back on the idea that people are feeling good about
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the economy. She pushed back on the idea that the
polls giving him terrible ratings are fake.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
This is just Trump who has one mindset, all or nothing,
which I'll point out is the title of my last book.
You know, my last book is about the campaign, and
the campaign was just again, you know, four indictments, one
criminal conviction.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
It didn't make any difference to him.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Just just do not alter your position at all.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And if you do this, if you are.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Irrational, then the rational people actually fold.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
That's what they do.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Those people in the Senate, those eight senators all you
know in career politicians, completely completely rational, all about cause
and effect.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
They could have been. It was a reliable prediction.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
But does the Democratic Party now split into the people
who understand how to deal with Trump or think they
understand none.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Of them understand. They really don't.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yes, there was a glimmer at this at this point
that they that they would go the distance, but I
don't know how much more distance.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
They would actually go.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And I've got to believe that these eight people did
this because that was basically the mood of the party.
So Chuck Schumer, who people are are are blaming for this,
and other people saying, well, he's not to blame. I'm
sure he is to blame. And I'm sure that there
was a tacit kind of thing within the Democratic Party,
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certainly among the Senate Democrats, which was, you know, how
much longer?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
How much longer can we really go on this?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Right?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And two of them are retiring, and then the other
six none of them are up for reelection next year,
relatively safe in terms of no one will remember this
probably next month.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
But we're back to that thing that that Trump fights
in asymmetrical battle and they don't get it at all.
They're still in we're politicians, and we do what politicians do.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
They're still fighting. George W.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Bush they're still just doing what they've done for their
their whole careers. It's a where we have a processed job.
It's about procedures, it's about cause and effect. We know
we know this Trump No, Trump is all or nothing
now that they that is, that is in. Those are
diametrically opposite mindsets.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I mean, Trump will go down. He is willing to
go down.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Now, people don't let him go down because.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Because I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I think they don't. They don't know how to do that.
They don't really what is I mean? And they're looking
at this and saying, you know, this is a crazy man.
What's what's the crazy man going to do? We better
do something so that fundamental political precept, if the opposition
is immolating itself, do nothing. Instead, they helped, they gave.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
It to him.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Did you see the Laura Ingram terview?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
No one ever sees any interviews anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Except did you see the clips?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Trump? Yes? I saw the clip.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
What did you think?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Well, I knew what was going on, so well.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
That's really what I'm asking what was going on?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
So Laura Ingraham at Fox, she is the anchor who
is the mouthpiece for the Fox owner Rupert Murdock. Everybody
else is kind of difficult and doing whatever they have
to do to get the best ratings they can possibly get.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
The Fox people have wanted to fire Laura Ingraham for
a long time. She does really get ratings, but she.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Is protected by Rupert Murdoch. Therefore she says what Rupert
Murdoch wants her to say, or what Rupert Murdoch wants.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
To be said.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So so in that interview, you know, and Rupert Murdoch,
you know, has this deeply, tragically conflicted relationship with Donald Trump,
who he detests. But nevertheless, Donald Trump is the President
of the United States, and Donald and Rupert's relationship to
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power is, you know, he understands, he understands power.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
He understands where it is and how to and how.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
To, He understands what he has to what he has
to do. So he is theoretically a Trump ally at
this point. But that's a that's unthin ice. And so
he uses his outlets. The Wall Street Journal is often
opposed to uh to to Trump Fox less so, but
in this instance.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
It was so.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Murdoch would have been aware that this interview was set up,
and then he would have been on the phone with
with Laura Ingraham, and she would have taken notes now
that that is also difficult because to be on the
phone with Rupert Murdoch, I can do it.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Hm hm, no one can understand.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yes, so a more power to her, right, But she
she certainly delivered the That was not the Fox line.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
It was the Rupert Murdoch line.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Okay, Well, I love the line where she walks around
the Oval office and said, is this all from home?
Deep talking about all the growl decor because he's saying, oh,
you can't just get paint that has gold in it.
That that seemed a good line and sort of slightly
withering off him. And then his strange, his strange understanding
that most people's mortgages were for forty years and now
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we were extending them to fifty and she had to
correct them and say thirty.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
No, I mean Rupert literally would have called her up
and said, that asshole you that's his always his, always
the bottom line when it comes.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
To Rupert's view of Trump, well, that's an asshole.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And you say an asshole. I can't even begin to
do his accent or his mumble, but you say in
the first book, for and Fury. It's Rupert's great tragedy.
He always wanted to make a president of the United States.
The fact is he made it Trump, and he hates
Trump and.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Does great irony. Yes, the great irony is that it
is Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
There's also an anecdote in your book, The Fall. I'm
sounding like one of those super fans who now turns
up at a book reading and has all your books
in a pile and asks you to sign them. I
promise you I'm not that, But there is no.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
To sign anyone's books. Come. Come with as many as.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
You have, all right, Well, you can send them to
the Daily Beast opposite offices and we'll get them signed.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
For your colleague of mine from Vanity Fair who.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Sent me.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Send me his copy of Fire and Fury annotated and
asked me to sign it. This was this was very nice.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, now what is that?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Almost six years later, I look at that book constantly,
and somehow I cannot bring myself to I have signed it,
to put it in an envelope and go to the
mailbox and the post office and send it back. It's
just a moment of guilt constantly in my life.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Just to point that out.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Okay, well, then just remove it, remove it from your office,
all right. You can send them to us and I'll
fake sign them. No no, no, well have you signed
them on the podcast as we're talking. But my point
is there is an anecdote about Laura and Ingraham at
Roger ales funeral. Graham Ingraham, Okay, Ingraham, you say, Ingraham,
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I don't know what to say, but there is an
anecdote about her at the funeral, because don't you fly
down to Roger Ayles's funeral My.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Wife and I down on Sean Hannity's plane, which is
an entirely other story how that.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Came to be, and that should be another episode of
the podcast.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
But at the funeral, in Roger Ayl's funeral in Palm Beach,
Laura Ingraham was there and and I've always been been
friendly with her and we when we saw each other
in the church, she we we had a nice conversation.
But from that point, progressively on she got drunker and
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drunker and drunker drunk, to the point of, you know,
in the nineteen sixties on on on television, there was
always this character of the drunken character, which is not
really how people act when they get drunk. But this
is how actually Laura Ingraham uh acted on the you
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know the speech, the slurred speech, the she couldn't stand straight,
your her hands all over you. And then on the
way back she wanted a ride back. She didn't come
down with us, but she wanted to ride back on
Sean Hannity's plane. And and Hannity said no kind of
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whispered so too fat, No, no way, those planes.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
That bathroom is very small. We do not want to
see that.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
What do you mean that bathroom is very small. We
do not want to see that, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
On the plane when she threw up, Oh, she was
that drunk and the plane would well what was that
sn a force seater?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Uh no, no, but you know those, but it wasn't that.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
It was a you know, it was a It was
a a respectable private plane, but not a super private plane.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Right. Does Sean Hannity have his own plane or was
it rented for them?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
It does?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
He does have his own plane, but a smaller executive plane.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Smaller executive plane. Okay, well we've somehow distressed right.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
There, and you didn't want to go because it's.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Like, okay, got it, you know the yeah, I thought
Laura pushed back against Trump quite well more effectively than
Laura o'donald on sixty Minutes looked stern, but she didn't
really push back.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Well, I think Laura, you know, they were both carrying water.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Laura for Rupert Murdoch, Noura O'Donnell for the sixty minute CBS,
and who's.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
That company that bought.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Whatever those executives were saying this is.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
You know, go well, Barry Wise, actually Barry.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
White, gentle on Trump.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Matter of fact, that may well have been part of
their settlement in the sixty Minutes suit. So fifteen million
dollars plus go gentle on Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Okay, which brings us neatly to the BBC, which lost
its director general and its head of News, Tim Davey
and Deb Turnus, who used to be the head of
NBC News. They both resigned this week after accusations that Panorama,
their flagship documentary show, had actually alighted two different speeches.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, So the thing is, I mean we can break
that what they what they did, was they they shouldn't
have done and was a was a was a mistake
which you should have been able to apologize for, and.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
And life goes on.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
They had to resign, bringing the BBC to its knees
in many many respects right now because well enormous political
pressure within the UK against against the BBC, but also
Trump Trump now threatening to sue him for a billion dollars.
And we ought to say that that that the person
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threatening to sue the BBC for a billion dollars is
also the person who threatened to sue me for a
billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I mean the lawyer so Alessandro Brite exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
So this guy in in Florida who is now kind
of runs, you know, the Trump libel industrial complex. You
just send out these these these things and everybody, including
now the BBC goes goes, you know, clasps its breasts
and and panics and and you know now fires its executives.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
So and I will again say that I am the
only one.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Who has not panicked and has and has fired back.
And and the GoFundMe page is still open, still collecting
because I am not going to fold at any rate.
But I don't want to get off the BBC because I.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Don't want to, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I I also want to say two things can be
true at the same time, that they're getting screwed by
by across the political the right wing political spectrum, including
the right wing in the UK and in the right
wing in the White House. But having said that, the
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other thing that's that's that's true is is the BBC
if anyone, I mean, I've never met such arrogant people,
such such remote people.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
What world do they live in? This is?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
This is so so while I would never have what
has happened to them is completely unfair, at the same
time they deserve everything they get.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I don't feel as strongly as you do about the
BBC as a British person inculcated well as a British
person I grew up there were three channels to watch
and you always felt like it was reliable, that it
was doing its best. The institution is always going to
be bigger than any one person that works there, right
I think Also Tim Davies had a difficult time because
their lead anchor, the man who announced the Queen's death
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on television, got into trouble because he was paying underage
boys to send him photos of themselves naked.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well, yes, that old, yeah, Well it's not a British habit.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
It's definitely not a British habit. It is extraordinary how
they just gave Trump this gift.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Though I am speechless.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I know, literally, when committing suicide, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
All they badly do was just wait this out. He
would have and they said, well, he would never have crumbled.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I mean, he had, he had the following choices, and
to crumble, or to get rid of the filibuster which
other people in the Senate were not going to do,
or to can continue on. He was going to get
the blame on this.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
But all the energy that the Democrats had from the
election victory now feels like it's just blown away on
the wind, blown away on the wind.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
And so the larger story here is that we are
beginning this year now formally beginning the year to the
twenty twenty six mid terms, and those are going to
involve a reckoning in the Democratic Party and that will
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then be the precursor to what happens in twenty twenty eight.
But this is the kind of thing and we ought
to we ought to we ought to be able to
start to frame flat frame that story because this is
a big story. I mean, together with the Trump story,
which is obviously the biggest story and will be the
biggest story for the next hundred years. But what the
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Democrats are now going to do? The spotlight is on
them and the onus is on them.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Well, certainly, as far as I could see, Newsom was
the first person out on social media saying the Democrats
have unconditionally surrendered. This is terrible.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Well, yeah, and I think Newsom is the is the one,
the first one out of the gate. I mean he is,
he is going to I mean he is out of
the gate for twenty twenty eight. He is running for
president clearly, and he will in order to do this,
he will look to step up for twenty twenty six.
And remember twenty twenty six is going to be pivotal.
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Is that that is the moment that could truly and
we don't have to wait till twenty twenty eight bring
down Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
We could have a ticker here just clounting down the
days because it's whatever it is, three hundred and sixty
three days to the next election, to the midterms. It's
very exciting. I mean, I saw that your friend Trey
Parker had made a comment saying that it's not that
South Park has become political. It's that politics has become
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pop culture, and we are all engaged now. I mean
the idea that you would have a ticker and you
would be excited about the midterm elections. Who knew that
that was something anyone would ever say?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Matt Stone is really my friend in that duo. And
I should tell the story at some point about when
I thought that Matt Stone should be the president of
the United States, and when I got Steve Bannon, who
I thought should abandon Trump, and I said, this is
your real populist candidate, and then I had them both
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to dinner at my house, a complete catastrophe.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Well, go on, Well what happened?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, they just didn't click in any way.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I mean, Matt was.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Utterly contemptuous of Steve Bannon, and Bannon was not able
to rise to the populist occasion.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
All right, Well, then that does bring us to Steve
Banner and his expression burning daylight that neither of us
knew what it meant, but in fact, thank you, thank you.
Scores of people actually wrote in to tell us that
it means don't waste time your burning daylight. Daylight is valuable.
And then someone said that it was Actually it made
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an appearance in a John.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Wayne by the Cowboy.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
The Cowboy, okay, which I'm sure that Steve Bannon has seen,
where burning Daylight is a John Wayne line in the
movie The Cowboys, and that's from beer check on on
be a check a nun. Anyway, thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Anyway, if anyone else has any other point of view
on that, we're yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
We're open. I liked it. It's a great it's a
great expression, all right. So I really really wanted to
talk to you about the fact Mike Johnson is now
reopening the house, which means, guess what's back on the
docket the Epstein files.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Well, not that it ever left, frankly.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Okay, well it was just hov it was similing on
the back burners, and now it's being moved to the
front burner.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
So what will happen theoretically is that the the House
will vote to subpoena the Epstein file or files and
those things that.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Desk.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
We don't know. I I I assume what she had
on her desk was nothing, blank, blank pieces of paper,
which is which is part of the problem, and that
that is now going to become the next part of
this battle. So they are going to subpoena but something,
but they don't know what they are subpoena in. And
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and then it will be they'll have to figure out
exactly what that is. And and the Executive branch which
will have to deliver this this this material.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Will define what that is.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I mean in the hands of the executive branches is
the ability now to define what that is plus its
own I suspect confusion about what it is and where
it is, and then what they redact and don't redact.
So the executive branch, even with a vote in Congress,
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is still basically in charge of these of these this
materials Epstein file.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Okay, which is the stuff that the FBI has right, well.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I mean, it's theoretically, theoretically it is everything that exists
within the United States government on Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
And just to remind people, this is the joint effort
between Thomas Massey, the very independent leaning Republican and Congressman
wrote Kanna from California. The two of them got together,
backed by They've got enough publican votes with Marjorie Tayler
Green Lauren By, but a Nanci Mace plus the Republicans
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to get two hundred and eighteen votes, which means they
can demand the files.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Right, So let's look where the files are. There are
the what the FBI holds. There there is what the
Justice Department holds. And while the FBI reports the Justice Department,
those are not necessarily material in the same place. Plus
there there that's that's would be considered what main Justice holds.
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Then there's the Southern District in New York, and then
there is the Florida District. And and that's that's just
within that that framework. There is in potentially throughout other
parts of the government, and and and what they know
about Jeffrey Epstein, you know, including the financial investigations that
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have various times begun about Epstein and his and his
business endeavors and business relationships. And Plus there is on
the local level.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I mean, he was he was actually.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Convicted in in in Florida state court, not in federal court.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
So this is all this is just spread far and.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Wide, and it will be it will be sort of
up to Congress to kind of to kind of define
what they're looking for. Those will if a if an
investigation actually begins, if hearings actually actually happen. Then that's
a question, where is this?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
What are they?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
What is how do we define this information about this guy?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Which leads us nicely on that's the Oversight Committee doing
their job there. But on the Judiciary Committee, Jamie rass In,
the Democrat from Maryland, has been asking about Gilen Maxwell's
what seems to be preferential treatment at Brian, the jail
she was transferred to from her less salubrious jail in
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Florida after the two day interview with the number two
in the Justice tom at blanche.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yes, from a terrible jail in Florida to a jail
a club fed which sex offenders are by statute excluded from.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It's also interesting when you have a sex offender who
has offended against women in a women's jail. I'm assuming
this doesn't happen very often. I mean, because in a
man's jail, don't they get put into solitary confinement for
their own protection?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I don't know, but there aren't that many women sex.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Offenders, right, and certainly not that are sentenced to twenty
years for sex trafficking. And I wanted to read you
the story that we had in the Beast. I wanted
to redo some of the details because it was kind
of amazing. So this is Jamie Raskin saying that a
top prison official is complaining that he is sick of
(29:13):
being Gilen Maxwell's bitch at her cushy new prison digs.
Apparently she has a puppy, and the Maryland lawmaker I'm
reading a paragraph here alleged that anyone pushing back against
the grotesque pampering of Maxwell is being punished and retaliated
against by prison warden Tanisha Hall, and Maxwell was transferred
(29:39):
to the low security camp where she has her own
private physical trainer and she's getting her own meals delivered
to her in herself. I mean, I would quite like
my own personal exercise classes and to have meals delivered
to me. I don't want to go to jail, obviously,
but I'm just mentioning it. I mean, if you've got
to be in jail, it's not bad. And then we
know that she she said emails to her family saying
(30:01):
this is so much better, and the warden is actually
one of the more professional people I have met in
the prison system. I wonder if she could give a
review of her prisons.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
To hopefully digress and say.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Don't digress too much because I am fascinated by it.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Well, let's go, because, I mean, her leverage here is
much more powerful than fifty thousand dollars or whatever contribution
she might be able to make. Her leverage here is
the president of the United States. Let's let's be very clear.
I mean, it is clear, it is transparent. What is
happening here? She and let's go, let's go back she.
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The Wall Street Journal published a Donald Trump's birthday greeting
to Jeffrey Epstein on the occasion of his fiftieth.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Birthday, a.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Birthday greeting which did not, let us say, redown to
Donald Trump's advantage and.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Talked about that wonderful secret that they should act exactly,
and we want to know what the wonderful secret was.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Right, So within the White House, everyone immediately understood that
this was a leak from the Maxwell family and describing
it as a shot across the bow. Almost immediately, several
days later, the number two in the Justice Department was
sent down to Florida to interview Glaine Maxwell, a sex offender.
(31:29):
Now this is the number two in the Justice Department
who just happened to have formerly been Donald Trump's personal lawyer.
But this would never happen, not in the realm of
logic with the number two in the Justice Department personally
go and interview a convicted sex offender. Anyway, he goes
(31:50):
and interviews the sex offend, the convicted sex offender, Gallaine Maxwell.
Shortly thereafter, there is a transcript of their interview released
in which clearly Glene Maxwell is utterly on script. Donald
Trump is the greatest guy.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Loved that guy.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Never saw anything in the PREMI ever.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Ever, never, I mean, she so everything.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Also, top Blanche was pretty fawning towards us, seemed very
you know, thanks her profusely for doing this interview, as
if she had lots of other things to do and
wasn't stuck in prison for the next one.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
No, the amazing thing is how transparent this this was.
I mean, the thing, I mean, it's kind of confusing.
The thing about cover ups is that they're supposed to
be hidden. I mean, what what what is it even called?
When the cover up.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Is released on a transcript and.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Then and then almost immediately afterwards, she is she is
transferred from her terrible prison to a.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Vastly better prison. On the way I.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Think we can reasonably assume to a pardon or commutation
of her sentence. And again, you know, the cover up
is completely out in the open.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Well, Jamie Raskin is on the case, wanting to know
what's going on there, and of course that wasn't I mean,
he may be thinking of pardoning Gilen Maxwell, but he's
actually just pardoned seventy seven people on his crew, the
people who were denying that the twenty twenty election had
been won by Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
No, I mean, and to pardon Gilleene Maxwell would seem
to be appalling, except that this she just joins the long, long, long.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
List of other appalling pardons.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
True. The difference here is I think that there is
a very motivated, articulate, attractive group of Epstein victims who
will not take this line down.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Well, I think that they will not take this lying down,
and this will continue to haunt Donald Trump. But what
it avoids is the person potentially with the smoking gun,
so he will not have he seems to have arranged
it so he will not have Gleainne Maxwell saying on
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this day in Palm Beach in nineteen ninety nine, Trump
was with this girl or whatever else she might say,
and obviously there is great fear about what she might
say because of all everything that we're seeing that she
is getting not to say it, so he avoids that. So,
(34:45):
in that respect, out in the open, cover up will
probably succeed. Yes, the Epstein matter will go on. Yes,
people will continue to try to get to the bottom
of it, including yours truly. But but that pivotal witness, Glaine Maxwell,
(35:08):
that pivotal person who is who is you know, a
effectively a co conspirator, will be quiet.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
All right.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Well, that brings us to questions that we have for Millennia.
Many of you have written in with excellent questions. This
is a great question. This is from pi Fe question
for Millennia. With your apparent expertise a matter of hair,
(35:37):
makeup and styling, why have you never assisted your husband
in these areas?
Speaker 4 (35:46):
I mean, this is this is this is yeah, I
mean this is a This is complicated because you have
to understand that actually Donald Trump believes he is is
the consummate mister styled. He is, he is, and he
(36:08):
would he would And I've actually heard this this explanation
actually makes this explanation to Stormy Daniels she's one of
the few. But this is a great part in her
book in which she she asks him there in there
in bed, and she asked him, you know, you know,
(36:28):
so what's what the hair the hat?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Right?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
And then he gives an explanation that, you know, his
hair was he was always very proud of his hair.
And then and then he got older and he started
to do things, have to do things to it to
maintain it. But now and now, rather than seeing this
has become ridiculous, he understands it has become a signature.
(36:52):
It is it is Donald Trump, and.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
People identify him with the hair.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
It is a and I even think he used he
used one of those words. It's a it's a you know,
Confaned Enhanser, something like that. You know, so he's a
he is he for a guy who looks absurd. He
is actually aware of that and has cultivated that and
(37:19):
has seen the advantage in that.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
And didn't Jeffrey Epstein tell you that Donald Trump had
had a scalp reduction. Yes, yes, I didn't even know
that was a thing. I never even heard of it.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, so you reduced the ball scalp.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
So so it has.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You know, you the the the exposed surface.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Is it's smaller. But but also Pife assumes that Milania
hasn't helped him with his starling. There are two other
possibilities here. One she has and she likes what he
looks like, and she finds the fake town attractive and
the confection of hair attract or. It could be that
she's deliberately helped him with this because she thought it
(38:06):
made him look ridiculous and that he would somehow not
get elected because he looked so strange. And indeed, as
you say, it turned out to be a brand enhancement.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Okay, I'm now officially in.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Over my head here.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Okay, So another question for Milania, this time from Camille
p question for Millenia, what was it about Donald that
you fell in love with? He's in gee? He was
a man, the bolt town, successful businessman.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Yeah, I think that's the answer.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Okay. And here's a question from Senia Swifty. Ask Milania,
what does be best mean? And given his many infidelities,
why haven't you divorced Donald Trump?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Well?
Speaker 2 (38:49):
There's I mean, I think that the answer to that
there is divorce, and there is divorce when you really
don't have to live with your husband, and you leave
a parallel life, and he leads a parallel life, and
everybody is and the the financial arrangements stay the same.
(39:09):
This is you know, rich people don't have to get divorced.
They have a lot of real estate.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I live life, parallel life. Okay, all right, so more
questions please for Millennia, Michael, all these questions.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Remember I can't I am answering these questions as best
I can, but I will have the opportunity I'm counting
on to ask her directly.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, so we're complising our questions. List of question.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
They're not for me.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
They are literally for no, They're for Millennia.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
These are people asking you to ask Millenia on that
under oath, under oath, so she will undoubtedly be best
under oath.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
What do you think that means the.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Best be best? I don't know, but we like be beast,
as you know, just means release your inner beast. You
don't need to release your inner beast because you're in
a beast is already alfare you have an outer beast.
You don't need to worry about your inner beast. But
other people need a little encouragement to release their inner
beast and that's all we do at the end of
(40:20):
our at the end of each episode. So we'll be
back on Thursday with more of what it's like inside
Trump's head. But how do you think it's feeling? To say,
I think it's feeling sunnier inside Trump's head, don't you This.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Was a wholly unexpected Well no, you see, I shouldn't
say that.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
I think I think it. I think for.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Everyone around him, it was an unexpected victory for him,
it's just plain to victory.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
I just wait for the victory.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I can.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I can wait as long as anyone and you know,
and he was right. You know they'll fold and then
I'll win. And that is what happened. And why the
Democrats can't understand how to play this guy, why they
don't call me up and at least have a conversation.
I really do understand something about this guy, because they don't.
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Thanks to our production team Devin Rogerino, Anna von Urson
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I really really wanted to talk to you about the
fact Mike Johnson is now reopening the House, which means,
guess what's back on the docket the Epstein files.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
So what will happen theoretically is that the the House
will vote to subpoena the Epstein file.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Or files.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Theoretically it is everything that exists within the United States
government on Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Michael Joela, so much to discuss. Last time I saw you,
the Democrats were riding high off their victory from the election,
and now it's.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And they were also winning the shutdown hands down. This
was their shutdown, which doesn't usually happen that the opposition
party can claim victory on this. But given that it
is Trump who can be counted on to so often
shoot himself in the foot again and again, because fundamentally he.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Is self destructive.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
So when he's taking food, snatching food from from babies,
when he's not snatching.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Babies themselves, to.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Refusing to refusing to find money to pay the air
controllers to again and again and again, essentially essentially being
willing and enjoying it to ups to disrupt major.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Parts of American life.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
This is what he would do, I am going to
do that. So there he was remote, disengaged, having parties uncaring,
and you know, a complete shit.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So that's what we went into.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And suddenly yesterday the Democrats are like, okay, we give up.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
It was incomprehensible to me too. And also it's very
unusual to see the Democrats turn on each other. I mean,
you had Gavin Newsom saying this is unconditional surrender. At
the other side of the country of Newsom's in California
and New York, Richie Torres is saying this is ridiculous.
(02:22):
How do we make sense of this?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I mean the Democrats.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I guess we make sense by saying the Democrats are
the Democrats and ultimately they fall back or or a
good a good in this in this case, a decisive
margin of the.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Democrats fell back.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Unseeing this as politics as usual, right right, politics as
Trump exclusively Trump, anomalously Trump, you know, never to be
the same Trump. This is like like, you know, we're
we're in the Senate and Senate doesn't like this, and
(03:02):
we have to we have to be practical and and well.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And I think they're seeing lines for food, right and
they're thinking this is really bad. I mean, I think
they're genuinely caring the people that made.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
The decisions, right, absolutely, but they are seeing this as
as a political event rather than an existential one.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
But the crazy of it, because even Trump knew that
they were that the Republicans were losing the shutdown. He
actually said, people are blaming the Republicans.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
He did. But what he did also say and has
been saying within the White House is is in his threes,
they'll fold, they'll fold, they'll fold, and if they do,
we win.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
We win, we win.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Saying that in the White House.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yes, he said this to both aids, because the Republicans
have been really worried about this, you know, I mean essentially,
essentially this is not involved the Democrats. What it had
been up until yesterday, involving the Republicans negotiating against each other.
How do we get this guy Trump to a sit
(04:11):
down for a meeting, listen to the Democrats appear to
come to some kind of kind of compromise, I mean,
work it out as these things have always been worked out.
And that didn't happen because because he doesn't do it,
he doesn't, you know, the greatest I am the greatest
(04:32):
negotiator on Earth. In truth, he is not a negotiator
or the worst negotiator, but really not a negotiator. It's
my way or the highway, always my way or the highway.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So what's inside Trump's had Because he was feeling a
bit raw coming off the Democratic victory, he just did
a fiery interview with Laura Ingram where she he pushed
back on his idea for fifty year mortgages. She pushed
back on the idea that people are feeling good about
(05:07):
the economy. She pushed back on the idea that the
polls giving him terrible ratings are fake.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
This is just Trump who has one mindset, all or nothing,
which I'll point out is the title of my last book.
You know, my last book is about the campaign, and
the campaign was just again, you know, four indictments, one
criminal conviction.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
It didn't make any difference to him.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Just just do not alter your position at all.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And if you do this, if you are.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Irrational, then the rational people actually fold.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
That's what they do.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Those people in the Senate, those eight senators all you
know in career politicians, completely completely rational, all about cause
and effect.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
They could have been. It was a reliable prediction.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
But does the Democratic Party now split into the people
who understand how to deal with Trump or think they
understand none.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Of them understand. They really don't.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yes, there was a glimmer at this at this point
that they that they would go the distance, but I
don't know how much more distance.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
They would actually go.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And I've got to believe that these eight people did
this because that was basically the mood of the party.
So Chuck Schumer, who people are are are blaming for this,
and other people saying, well, he's not to blame. I'm
sure he is to blame. And I'm sure that there
was a tacit kind of thing within the Democratic Party,
(06:47):
certainly among the Senate Democrats, which was, you know, how
much longer?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
How much longer can we really go on this?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Right?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And two of them are retiring, and then the other
six none of them are up for reelection next year,
relatively safe in terms of no one will remember this
probably next month.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
But we're back to that thing that that Trump fights
in asymmetrical battle and they don't get it at all.
They're still in we're politicians, and we do what politicians do.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
They're still fighting. George W.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Bush they're still just doing what they've done for their
their whole careers. It's a where we have a processed job.
It's about procedures, it's about cause and effect. We know
we know this Trump No, Trump is all or nothing
now that they that is, that is in. Those are
diametrically opposite mindsets.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I mean, Trump will go down. He is willing to
go down.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Now, people don't let him go down because.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Because I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I think they don't. They don't know how to do that.
They don't really what is I mean? And they're looking
at this and saying, you know, this is a crazy man.
What's what's the crazy man going to do? We better
do something so that fundamental political precept, if the opposition
is immolating itself, do nothing. Instead, they helped, they gave.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
It to him.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Did you see the Laura Ingram terview?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
No one ever sees any interviews anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Except did you see the clips?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Trump? Yes? I saw the clip.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
What did you think?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Well, I knew what was going on, so well.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
That's really what I'm asking what was going on?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
So Laura Ingraham at Fox, she is the anchor who
is the mouthpiece for the Fox owner Rupert Murdock. Everybody
else is kind of difficult and doing whatever they have
to do to get the best ratings they can possibly get.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
The Fox people have wanted to fire Laura Ingraham for
a long time. She does really get ratings, but she.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Is protected by Rupert Murdoch. Therefore she says what Rupert
Murdoch wants her to say, or what Rupert Murdoch wants.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
To be said.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So so in that interview, you know, and Rupert Murdoch,
you know, has this deeply, tragically conflicted relationship with Donald Trump,
who he detests. But nevertheless, Donald Trump is the President
of the United States, and Donald and Rupert's relationship to
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power is, you know, he understands, he understands power.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
He understands where it is and how to and how.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
To, He understands what he has to what he has
to do. So he is theoretically a Trump ally at
this point. But that's a that's unthin ice. And so
he uses his outlets. The Wall Street Journal is often
opposed to uh to to Trump Fox less so, but
in this instance.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
It was so.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Murdoch would have been aware that this interview was set up,
and then he would have been on the phone with
with Laura Ingraham, and she would have taken notes now
that that is also difficult because to be on the
phone with Rupert Murdoch, I can do it.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Hm hm, no one can understand.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yes, so a more power to her, right, But she
she certainly delivered the That was not the Fox line.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
It was the Rupert Murdoch line.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Okay, Well, I love the line where she walks around
the Oval office and said, is this all from home?
Deep talking about all the growl decor because he's saying, oh,
you can't just get paint that has gold in it.
That that seemed a good line and sort of slightly
withering off him. And then his strange, his strange understanding
that most people's mortgages were for forty years and now
(11:04):
we were extending them to fifty and she had to
correct them and say thirty.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
No, I mean Rupert literally would have called her up
and said, that asshole you that's his always his, always
the bottom line when it comes.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
To Rupert's view of Trump, well, that's an asshole.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And you say an asshole. I can't even begin to
do his accent or his mumble, but you say in
the first book, for and Fury. It's Rupert's great tragedy.
He always wanted to make a president of the United States.
The fact is he made it Trump, and he hates
Trump and.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Does great irony. Yes, the great irony is that it
is Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
There's also an anecdote in your book, The Fall. I'm
sounding like one of those super fans who now turns
up at a book reading and has all your books
in a pile and asks you to sign them. I
promise you I'm not that, But there is no.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
To sign anyone's books. Come. Come with as many as.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
You have, all right, Well, you can send them to
the Daily Beast opposite offices and we'll get them signed.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
For your colleague of mine from Vanity Fair who.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Sent me.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Send me his copy of Fire and Fury annotated and
asked me to sign it. This was this was very nice.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, now what is that?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Almost six years later, I look at that book constantly,
and somehow I cannot bring myself to I have signed it,
to put it in an envelope and go to the
mailbox and the post office and send it back. It's
just a moment of guilt constantly in my life.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Just to point that out.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Okay, well, then just remove it, remove it from your office,
all right. You can send them to us and I'll
fake sign them. No no, no, well have you signed
them on the podcast as we're talking. But my point
is there is an anecdote about Laura and Ingraham at
Roger ales funeral. Graham Ingraham, Okay, Ingraham, you say, Ingraham,
(13:07):
I don't know what to say, but there is an
anecdote about her at the funeral, because don't you fly
down to Roger Ayles's funeral My.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Wife and I down on Sean Hannity's plane, which is
an entirely other story how that.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Came to be, and that should be another episode of
the podcast.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
But at the funeral, in Roger Ayl's funeral in Palm Beach,
Laura Ingraham was there and and I've always been been
friendly with her and we when we saw each other
in the church, she we we had a nice conversation.
But from that point, progressively on she got drunker and
(13:48):
drunker and drunker drunk, to the point of, you know,
in the nineteen sixties on on on television, there was
always this character of the drunken character, which is not
really how people act when they get drunk. But this
is how actually Laura Ingraham uh acted on the you
(14:11):
know the speech, the slurred speech, the she couldn't stand straight,
your her hands all over you. And then on the
way back she wanted a ride back. She didn't come
down with us, but she wanted to ride back on
Sean Hannity's plane. And and Hannity said no kind of
(14:34):
whispered so too fat, No, no way, those planes.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
That bathroom is very small. We do not want to
see that.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
What do you mean that bathroom is very small. We
do not want to see that, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
On the plane when she threw up, Oh, she was
that drunk and the plane would well what was that
sn a force seater?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Uh no, no, but you know those, but it wasn't that.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
It was a you know, it was a It was
a a respectable private plane, but not a super private plane.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Right. Does Sean Hannity have his own plane or was
it rented for them?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
It does?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
He does have his own plane, but a smaller executive plane.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Smaller executive plane. Okay, well we've somehow distressed right.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
There, and you didn't want to go because it's.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Like, okay, got it, you know the yeah, I thought
Laura pushed back against Trump quite well more effectively than
Laura o'donald on sixty Minutes looked stern, but she didn't
really push back.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Well, I think Laura, you know, they were both carrying water.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Laura for Rupert Murdoch, Noura O'Donnell for the sixty minute CBS,
and who's.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
That company that bought.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Whatever those executives were saying this is.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
You know, go well, Barry Wise, actually Barry.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
White, gentle on Trump.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Matter of fact, that may well have been part of
their settlement in the sixty Minutes suit. So fifteen million
dollars plus go gentle on Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Okay, which brings us neatly to the BBC, which lost
its director general and its head of News, Tim Davey
and Deb Turnus, who used to be the head of
NBC News. They both resigned this week after accusations that Panorama,
their flagship documentary show, had actually alighted two different speeches.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, So the thing is, I mean we can break
that what they what they did, was they they shouldn't
have done and was a was a was a mistake
which you should have been able to apologize for, and.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
And life goes on.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
They had to resign, bringing the BBC to its knees
in many many respects right now because well enormous political
pressure within the UK against against the BBC, but also
Trump Trump now threatening to sue him for a billion dollars.
And we ought to say that that that the person
(17:04):
threatening to sue the BBC for a billion dollars is
also the person who threatened to sue me for a
billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I mean the lawyer so Alessandro Brite exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
So this guy in in Florida who is now kind
of runs, you know, the Trump libel industrial complex. You
just send out these these these things and everybody, including
now the BBC goes goes, you know, clasps its breasts
and and panics and and you know now fires its executives.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
So and I will again say that I am the
only one.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Who has not panicked and has and has fired back.
And and the GoFundMe page is still open, still collecting
because I am not going to fold at any rate.
But I don't want to get off the BBC because I.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Don't want to, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I I also want to say two things can be
true at the same time, that they're getting screwed by
by across the political the right wing political spectrum, including
the right wing in the UK and in the right
wing in the White House. But having said that, the
(18:22):
other thing that's that's that's true is is the BBC
if anyone, I mean, I've never met such arrogant people,
such such remote people.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
What world do they live in? This is?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
This is so so while I would never have what
has happened to them is completely unfair, at the same
time they deserve everything they get.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I don't feel as strongly as you do about the
BBC as a British person inculcated well as a British
person I grew up there were three channels to watch
and you always felt like it was reliable, that it
was doing its best. The institution is always going to
be bigger than any one person that works there, right
I think Also Tim Davies had a difficult time because
their lead anchor, the man who announced the Queen's death
(19:11):
on television, got into trouble because he was paying underage
boys to send him photos of themselves naked.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well, yes, that old, yeah, Well it's not a British habit.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
It's definitely not a British habit. It is extraordinary how
they just gave Trump this gift.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Though I am speechless.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I know, literally, when committing suicide, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
All they badly do was just wait this out. He
would have and they said, well, he would never have crumbled.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I mean, he had, he had the following choices, and
to crumble, or to get rid of the filibuster which
other people in the Senate were not going to do,
or to can continue on. He was going to get
the blame on this.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
But all the energy that the Democrats had from the
election victory now feels like it's just blown away on
the wind, blown away on the wind.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
And so the larger story here is that we are
beginning this year now formally beginning the year to the
twenty twenty six mid terms, and those are going to
involve a reckoning in the Democratic Party and that will
(20:35):
then be the precursor to what happens in twenty twenty eight.
But this is the kind of thing and we ought
to we ought to we ought to be able to
start to frame flat frame that story because this is
a big story. I mean, together with the Trump story,
which is obviously the biggest story and will be the
biggest story for the next hundred years. But what the
(20:58):
Democrats are now going to do? The spotlight is on
them and the onus is on them.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Well, certainly, as far as I could see, Newsom was
the first person out on social media saying the Democrats
have unconditionally surrendered. This is terrible.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Well, yeah, and I think Newsom is the is the one,
the first one out of the gate. I mean he is,
he is going to I mean he is out of
the gate for twenty twenty eight. He is running for
president clearly, and he will in order to do this,
he will look to step up for twenty twenty six.
And remember twenty twenty six is going to be pivotal.
(21:35):
Is that that is the moment that could truly and
we don't have to wait till twenty twenty eight bring
down Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
We could have a ticker here just clounting down the
days because it's whatever it is, three hundred and sixty
three days to the next election, to the midterms. It's
very exciting. I mean, I saw that your friend Trey
Parker had made a comment saying that it's not that
South Park has become political. It's that politics has become
(22:03):
pop culture, and we are all engaged now. I mean
the idea that you would have a ticker and you
would be excited about the midterm elections. Who knew that
that was something anyone would ever say?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Matt Stone is really my friend in that duo. And
I should tell the story at some point about when
I thought that Matt Stone should be the president of
the United States, and when I got Steve Bannon, who
I thought should abandon Trump, and I said, this is
your real populist candidate, and then I had them both
(22:36):
to dinner at my house, a complete catastrophe.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Well, go on, Well what happened?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, they just didn't click in any way.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I mean, Matt was.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Utterly contemptuous of Steve Bannon, and Bannon was not able
to rise to the populist occasion.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
All right, Well, then that does bring us to Steve
Banner and his expression burning daylight that neither of us
knew what it meant, but in fact, thank you, thank you.
Scores of people actually wrote in to tell us that
it means don't waste time your burning daylight. Daylight is valuable.
And then someone said that it was Actually it made
(23:17):
an appearance in a John.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Wayne by the Cowboy.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
The Cowboy, okay, which I'm sure that Steve Bannon has seen,
where burning Daylight is a John Wayne line in the
movie The Cowboys, and that's from beer check on on
be a check a nun. Anyway, thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Anyway, if anyone else has any other point of view
on that, we're yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
We're open. I liked it. It's a great it's a
great expression, all right. So I really really wanted to
talk to you about the fact Mike Johnson is now
reopening the house, which means, guess what's back on the
docket the Epstein files.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Well, not that it ever left, frankly.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Okay, well it was just hov it was similing on
the back burners, and now it's being moved to the
front burner.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
So what will happen theoretically is that the the House
will vote to subpoena the Epstein file or files and
those things that.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Desk.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
We don't know. I I I assume what she had
on her desk was nothing, blank, blank pieces of paper,
which is which is part of the problem, and that
that is now going to become the next part of
this battle. So they are going to subpoena but something,
but they don't know what they are subpoena in. And
(24:42):
and then it will be they'll have to figure out
exactly what that is. And and the Executive branch which
will have to deliver this this this material.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Will define what that is.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I mean in the hands of the executive branches is
the ability now to define what that is plus its
own I suspect confusion about what it is and where
it is, and then what they redact and don't redact.
So the executive branch, even with a vote in Congress,
(25:23):
is still basically in charge of these of these this
materials Epstein file.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Okay, which is the stuff that the FBI has right, well.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I mean, it's theoretically, theoretically it is everything that exists
within the United States government on Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
And just to remind people, this is the joint effort
between Thomas Massey, the very independent leaning Republican and Congressman
wrote Kanna from California. The two of them got together,
backed by They've got enough publican votes with Marjorie Tayler
Green Lauren By, but a Nanci Mace plus the Republicans
(26:06):
to get two hundred and eighteen votes, which means they
can demand the files.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Right, So let's look where the files are. There are
the what the FBI holds. There there is what the
Justice Department holds. And while the FBI reports the Justice Department,
those are not necessarily material in the same place. Plus
there there that's that's would be considered what main Justice holds.
(26:33):
Then there's the Southern District in New York, and then
there is the Florida District. And and that's that's just
within that that framework. There is in potentially throughout other
parts of the government, and and and what they know
about Jeffrey Epstein, you know, including the financial investigations that
(26:59):
have various times begun about Epstein and his and his
business endeavors and business relationships. And Plus there is on
the local level.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I mean, he was he was actually.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Convicted in in in Florida state court, not in federal court.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
So this is all this is just spread far and.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Wide, and it will be it will be sort of
up to Congress to kind of to kind of define
what they're looking for. Those will if a if an
investigation actually begins, if hearings actually actually happen. Then that's
a question, where is this?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
What are they?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
What is how do we define this information about this guy?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Which leads us nicely on that's the Oversight Committee doing
their job there. But on the Judiciary Committee, Jamie rass In,
the Democrat from Maryland, has been asking about Gilen Maxwell's
what seems to be preferential treatment at Brian, the jail
she was transferred to from her less salubrious jail in
(28:14):
Florida after the two day interview with the number two
in the Justice tom at blanche.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yes, from a terrible jail in Florida to a jail
a club fed which sex offenders are by statute excluded from.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It's also interesting when you have a sex offender who
has offended against women in a women's jail. I'm assuming
this doesn't happen very often. I mean, because in a
man's jail, don't they get put into solitary confinement for
their own protection?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I don't know, but there aren't that many women sex.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Offenders, right, and certainly not that are sentenced to twenty
years for sex trafficking. And I wanted to read you
the story that we had in the Beast. I wanted
to redo some of the details because it was kind
of amazing. So this is Jamie Raskin saying that a
top prison official is complaining that he is sick of
(29:13):
being Gilen Maxwell's bitch at her cushy new prison digs.
Apparently she has a puppy, and the Maryland lawmaker I'm
reading a paragraph here alleged that anyone pushing back against
the grotesque pampering of Maxwell is being punished and retaliated
against by prison warden Tanisha Hall, and Maxwell was transferred
(29:39):
to the low security camp where she has her own
private physical trainer and she's getting her own meals delivered
to her in herself. I mean, I would quite like
my own personal exercise classes and to have meals delivered
to me. I don't want to go to jail, obviously,
but I'm just mentioning it. I mean, if you've got
to be in jail, it's not bad. And then we
know that she she said emails to her family saying
(30:01):
this is so much better, and the warden is actually
one of the more professional people I have met in
the prison system. I wonder if she could give a
review of her prisons.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
To hopefully digress and say.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Don't digress too much because I am fascinated by it.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Well, let's go, because, I mean, her leverage here is
much more powerful than fifty thousand dollars or whatever contribution
she might be able to make. Her leverage here is
the president of the United States. Let's let's be very clear.
I mean, it is clear, it is transparent. What is
happening here? She and let's go, let's go back she.
(30:40):
The Wall Street Journal published a Donald Trump's birthday greeting
to Jeffrey Epstein on the occasion of his fiftieth.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Birthday, a.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Birthday greeting which did not, let us say, redown to
Donald Trump's advantage and.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Talked about that wonderful secret that they should act exactly,
and we want to know what the wonderful secret was.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Right, So within the White House, everyone immediately understood that
this was a leak from the Maxwell family and describing
it as a shot across the bow. Almost immediately, several
days later, the number two in the Justice Department was
sent down to Florida to interview Glaine Maxwell, a sex offender.
(31:29):
Now this is the number two in the Justice Department
who just happened to have formerly been Donald Trump's personal lawyer.
But this would never happen, not in the realm of
logic with the number two in the Justice Department personally
go and interview a convicted sex offender. Anyway, he goes
(31:50):
and interviews the sex offend, the convicted sex offender, Gallaine Maxwell.
Shortly thereafter, there is a transcript of their interview released
in which clearly Glene Maxwell is utterly on script. Donald
Trump is the greatest guy.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Loved that guy.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Never saw anything in the PREMI ever.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Ever, never, I mean, she so everything.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Also, top Blanche was pretty fawning towards us, seemed very
you know, thanks her profusely for doing this interview, as
if she had lots of other things to do and
wasn't stuck in prison for the next one.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
No, the amazing thing is how transparent this this was.
I mean, the thing, I mean, it's kind of confusing.
The thing about cover ups is that they're supposed to
be hidden. I mean, what what what is it even called?
When the cover up.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Is released on a transcript and.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Then and then almost immediately afterwards, she is she is
transferred from her terrible prison to a.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Vastly better prison. On the way I.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Think we can reasonably assume to a pardon or commutation
of her sentence. And again, you know, the cover up
is completely out in the open.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Well, Jamie Raskin is on the case, wanting to know
what's going on there, and of course that wasn't I mean,
he may be thinking of pardoning Gilen Maxwell, but he's
actually just pardoned seventy seven people on his crew, the
people who were denying that the twenty twenty election had
been won by Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
No, I mean, and to pardon Gilleene Maxwell would seem
to be appalling, except that this she just joins the long, long, long.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
List of other appalling pardons.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
True. The difference here is I think that there is
a very motivated, articulate, attractive group of Epstein victims who
will not take this line down.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Well, I think that they will not take this lying down,
and this will continue to haunt Donald Trump. But what
it avoids is the person potentially with the smoking gun,
so he will not have he seems to have arranged
it so he will not have Gleainne Maxwell saying on
(34:21):
this day in Palm Beach in nineteen ninety nine, Trump
was with this girl or whatever else she might say,
and obviously there is great fear about what she might
say because of all everything that we're seeing that she
is getting not to say it, so he avoids that. So,
(34:45):
in that respect, out in the open, cover up will
probably succeed. Yes, the Epstein matter will go on. Yes,
people will continue to try to get to the bottom
of it, including yours truly. But but that pivotal witness, Glaine Maxwell,
(35:08):
that pivotal person who is who is you know, a
effectively a co conspirator, will be quiet.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
All right.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Well, that brings us to questions that we have for Millennia.
Many of you have written in with excellent questions. This
is a great question. This is from pi Fe question
for Millennia. With your apparent expertise a matter of hair,
(35:37):
makeup and styling, why have you never assisted your husband
in these areas?
Speaker 4 (35:46):
I mean, this is this is this is yeah, I
mean this is a This is complicated because you have
to understand that actually Donald Trump believes he is is
the consummate mister styled. He is, he is, and he
(36:08):
would he would And I've actually heard this this explanation
actually makes this explanation to Stormy Daniels she's one of
the few. But this is a great part in her
book in which she she asks him there in there
in bed, and she asked him, you know, you know,
(36:28):
so what's what the hair the hat?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Right?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
And then he gives an explanation that, you know, his
hair was he was always very proud of his hair.
And then and then he got older and he started
to do things, have to do things to it to
maintain it. But now and now, rather than seeing this
has become ridiculous, he understands it has become a signature.
(36:52):
It is it is Donald Trump, and.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
People identify him with the hair.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
It is a and I even think he used he
used one of those words. It's a it's a you know,
Confaned Enhanser, something like that. You know, so he's a
he is he for a guy who looks absurd. He
is actually aware of that and has cultivated that and
(37:19):
has seen the advantage in that.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
And didn't Jeffrey Epstein tell you that Donald Trump had
had a scalp reduction. Yes, yes, I didn't even know
that was a thing. I never even heard of it.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, so you reduced the ball scalp.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
So so it has.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You know, you the the the exposed surface.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Is it's smaller. But but also Pife assumes that Milania
hasn't helped him with his starling. There are two other
possibilities here. One she has and she likes what he
looks like, and she finds the fake town attractive and
the confection of hair attract or. It could be that
she's deliberately helped him with this because she thought it
(38:06):
made him look ridiculous and that he would somehow not
get elected because he looked so strange. And indeed, as
you say, it turned out to be a brand enhancement.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Okay, I'm now officially in.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Over my head here.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Okay, So another question for Milania, this time from Camille
p question for Millenia, what was it about Donald that
you fell in love with? He's in gee? He was
a man, the bolt town, successful businessman.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Yeah, I think that's the answer.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Okay. And here's a question from Senia Swifty. Ask Milania,
what does be best mean? And given his many infidelities,
why haven't you divorced Donald Trump?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Well?
Speaker 2 (38:49):
There's I mean, I think that the answer to that
there is divorce, and there is divorce when you really
don't have to live with your husband, and you leave
a parallel life, and he leads a parallel life, and
everybody is and the the financial arrangements stay the same.
(39:09):
This is you know, rich people don't have to get divorced.
They have a lot of real estate.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I live life, parallel life. Okay, all right, so more
questions please for Millennia, Michael, all these questions.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Remember I can't I am answering these questions as best
I can, but I will have the opportunity I'm counting
on to ask her directly.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, so we're complising our questions. List of question.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
They're not for me.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
They are literally for no, They're for Millennia.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
These are people asking you to ask Millenia on that
under oath, under oath, so she will undoubtedly be best
under oath.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
What do you think that means the.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Best be best? I don't know, but we like be beast,
as you know, just means release your inner beast. You
don't need to release your inner beast because you're in
a beast is already alfare you have an outer beast.
You don't need to worry about your inner beast. But
other people need a little encouragement to release their inner
beast and that's all we do at the end of
(40:20):
our at the end of each episode. So we'll be
back on Thursday with more of what it's like inside
Trump's head. But how do you think it's feeling? To say,
I think it's feeling sunnier inside Trump's head, don't you This.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Was a wholly unexpected Well no, you see, I shouldn't
say that.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
I think I think it. I think for.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Everyone around him, it was an unexpected victory for him,
it's just plain to victory.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
I just wait for the victory.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I can.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I can wait as long as anyone and you know,
and he was right. You know they'll fold and then
I'll win. And that is what happened. And why the
Democrats can't understand how to play this guy, why they
don't call me up and at least have a conversation.
I really do understand something about this guy, because they don't.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
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