Rick Wilson

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, folks, so glad to have you with us here
on Lincoln Square Substack live right now. You me Haiti Fang,
my friend and one of the best people on this
entire platform for kicking ass, taking names, And today is
a excuse me to kick a hell of a lot
of ass, to take a hell of a lot of names,
because it looks like the Epstein files have popped up again.
And wow, it's not pretty.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's a doozy. It is a doozy. And you know, Rick,
we were just saying before we hit the live button,
it's one thing to have these things exist and come
out through the Epstein estate, for which I express my
eternal gratitude because the DOJ and doing shit for us.
But the fact that the White House is scrambling to
try to convince Republicans to not support this discharge petition

(00:44):
you gotta make it makes you wonder, right, what the
hell are they trying to hide? Rights bad?

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Can these things be all bad?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Apparently?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Pam Body, Cash, Patel and the White House staff all
trying to lobby Skary, you guys a little bit of
the thing in my throat today too, tried to lobby
Bobert and Nancy Mayson, god knows who else, and having
the President call these people, how bad is it if
they're on a full court president. I mean, they've never
worked this hard on anything in their lives.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Remember, they haven't been working for weeks, so it's like,
you know, they've been just everybody's just kind of been
sitting there like eating shit for a while, including the
White House. Let me be very clear, it's not like
dy've been hustling.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Right, Yeah, you know, Okatie. One of the things that
we were talking about it earlier when we were before
we came on the air, is this is now like
black letter stuff. These are emails from Jeffrey Epstein, not
friend of a friend, not a rumor of whatever, saying
Trump was with that in the house, with this one
of the underage victims, Trump was in the house, one

(01:49):
of them saying, Oh, I don't want to come back
to your house and find Trump there again. So suddenly
it feels a lot more like Crump and Jeffrey Epstein's
relationship is going to be a lot harder to do.
I barely know the guy. He was a coffee boy.
I don't know who you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, there's no KOFEFI energy here. And you know what
the thing is too, Just as a lawyer, what I
appreciate is, you know, are they going to make the
same allegations they did about the birthday book entry?

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Rick?

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Are they going to say that somebody went at a
secret time machine back over years, over time to be
able to fabricate these fucking emails. So I'm going to
go with an assumption that these emails are authentic for
purposes of our conversation, and then I'm going to say, look,
as a lawyer, you couldn't ask for better evidence when
it's in writing. It's one thing to ask, Rick, do
you recall the conversation you had with Jeffrey Epstein back

(02:36):
in twenty eleven. It's a whole other thing to whip
out a damn email that shows the buy in between
conversation in black and white. When you have evidence like that,
it makes it almost impossible, if not impossible, for somebody
to negate. Now, look, is there room for interpretation? Sure?
I actually have been giving quote credit and I don't
use that word very nicely to Glaine Maxwell. Her skill

(03:01):
in these emails has been incredibly sphinx Like, That's what
I've been saying, she doesn't really directly implicate herself in
huge ways, which shows that she's smarter than the average bear.
Which also suggests that Todd Blanche fucked us all over
when he went for that nine hour booondoggle with her,
because you knew he knew about these emails before he
met with her. You know, so here basically facilitated perjury

(03:23):
is the way that I'm looking at it. When he
met with her for and you know.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
We're seeing these stories the last few days that Dwayne
Maxwellan now has a puppy in prison, and she has
the warden helping her fill out her commutation papers, and
everybody treats her like she's a goddess. This is on
Todd Blanche. He knew this. He was part of the
criminal conspiracy here to cover up this material. He is
abusing government resources and power, he is, he's suborning perjury.

(03:50):
The whole thing just stinks on Ice. I got to wonder,
as we see real heal of us sworn in today,
we're going to end up, I think in a place
where Todd Blanche is going to take a very ugly
set of hearings coming next fall or once the Democrats
take the majority, he's going to be on the hot seat,
and I don't think he is positioned to survive that.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, let's have to stop with Todd. Let's go with
Cash Battel and Pamela Joe. You'll recall they testified before
Congress standing there's no there there. We need to look
at the entire file, but you know there's nothing there.
The amount of cover up action that has been done

(04:32):
in a proactive sense should offend anybody to the core.
I said this morning with Jim Acosta, I said, look, man,
you want to be a part of bullship tariffs, that
heard American working families. You want to sit there and
you want to applaud the weaponization of the Department of
Justice to prosecute political enemies. You want to sit there
and do casual racism and be fine with that, that
white Christian nationalism and some anti semitism. You know what,

(04:55):
I don't sleep at night, but I guess you do.
But what's your fucking red line? Don't you think child
sex trafficking and child sex predation and child sex abuse
should be the red line that you, as any American
should say, regardless of party affiliation. I have to say
this is where it has to stop. So Republicans, if
you're hearing us, which you know they all hate, watch us,

(05:15):
you know that your ass is on the line. Because
that's the reason why the scramma from the White House
is let's not put this up ever for a vote
for the full House, because who wants to be on
record to say that they supported keeping the shit in hiding.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
I gotta tell you, I don't think, Katie. I don't
think Katie, that we're going to have at the end
of this release of these emails today, more Republicans who
are skeptical of this. I think we're gonna have fewer.
I think you might end up as people is this
purplates through Congress. These emails are damning. This is not
good for Trump. This is not Look when Nebse says

(05:54):
the dog that didn't mark, when you read that email,
you have to make an assumption that he is talking
about from has knowledge of the situation during Epstein's trial,
the dog that didn't bark. He neither he neither flipped
and confessed what he knew about Epstein, nor did he

(06:15):
change his behavior. The whole thing is just I mean,
I think this is going to end up pissing off
a lot of these Republicans who have been taking a
lot of heat for Trump.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Right now, yeah, and listen, I want to focus on
that twenty eleven email you just talked about that the
dog hasn't barked, and that's Trump because what you don't
see is just as important as what you see. So
this is an email buying between Epstein and Gallaine Maxwell
right April second, twenty eleven, to which Gallaiine Maxwell responds,
I've been thinking about that, meaning she's been thinking about
how Trump's name hasn't come up. And of course at

(06:45):
the end of Epstein's email, he's like, he's never once
been mentioned as in Trump, police chief, etc. I'm seventy
five percent there. I think it means Rick. It means
I'm seventy five percent there to nark on Trump to
the police chief. But you know what, Ghlaine Maxwell says, says,
I have been thinking about that a few notes. One
this was set with high importance, meaning they thought it
was important enough to flag it. Number two. You know

(07:08):
what she doesn't say. She doesn't say, what are you
talking about? Jeffrey Trump was never there? What are you
talking about? Jeffrey Trump never did anything. Donald who right?
None of that is there, which just goes to show
there is something there. There is a measure of substance
that creates compromott as I've been calling it, that creates
a foundational basis for extortion, blackmail, and other things. We

(07:31):
also know Michael wolf talk to Jeffrey Epstein via email
in twenty fifteen about creating a debt or some type
of sense of gratitude if he Jean's in twenty sixteen.
I mean, who the hell has conversations about people unless
there's something there about which you can hang something over
somebody's head. It's pretty obvious. You don't have to be
a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, I'm curious about Michael Wolfe's emails back and forth
with Epstein in this because he's clearly a guy who
talks to everybody all the time. He is very well sourced.
He clearly has more in his quiver on this, and
I would encourage Michael to come out and lay it out. Brother,
take it out there.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
I want to know what your thoughts are, Rick, because
some people have been very critical on social media about
the fact that he's been sitting on this this entire
time and has not come out with some of this.
He's come out with some of it, but obviously not
this stuff.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Right. Look, I I'm looking at this as we now
have this new trans of documents. If Wolf has material
that is relevant to this tranch of documents, and again,
he talks to everybody. He talks to everybody all the
damn time. He spends more time on the phone and
emailing people than I do, which is insane. And so

(08:44):
I would encourage him to lay more stuff out now.
And frankly, we're at the moment, we're at the junction
right now where if Michael Wolf wants to stop all
the BS lawsuits against him from the Trump world and
wants to be a damn hero, now's the day. Brother.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, you know, this morning I had mentioned how he
went on the Initiative and the offensive to sue Almania
for defamation concerning that, and that I think it was
Ryan Liza and I were checking with Jim Acosta and
that dude has clocked more than three quarters of a
million dollars in small dollar donations to be able to
finance that litigation. So there are enough people that are
believing in the cause. To be able to do it,

(09:19):
I think we've got to see two things happen.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Rick.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
One, I think every American who gives a shit about
what is happening here needs to reach out to their
members of Congress, Republicans or Democrats and say, I need
to know what your position is on the Trump Epstein files,
regardless of whether or not you actually see the public vote.
I think people need to be putting pressure on their
electeds in DC to say how they come down on
this issue. And number two, I do think I would

(09:42):
tend to agree. I think because under the law, if
you were the custodian of these documents, as we've seen
the Epstein estate show, there is no court order barring
the release of this. Mickel Wolf really needs to say,
here's the entirety of my communications with Jeffrey Epstein, Galley
Maxwell and others, and y'all do what you want with it.
This is my civic duty as an American hero. Here
we go, because I mean hero, people are pissed, people

(10:05):
are mad that he's been sitting on and people are
alive with the You've seen the criticism, right, people like
you need to provide this information and look There's an
email in another group of emails that was from Wolf
to Epstein on October twenty ninth, twenty sixteen. And Rick,
you and I both know we were going to throws
on the eve of the presidential election. Subject how could

(10:26):
be the time? Importance level high? Quote, there's an opportunity
to come forward this week and talk about Trump in
such a way that could garner you great sympathy and
help finish him interested question mark, Michael Wolf knew something
and didn't say you.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
And that wasn't Michael Wolf being a journalist. There No,
that was Michael Wolf being a player. And that's and look,
I like Michael, I like Michael, We get along. But
I do think he's in a point right now where
where this is kind of like that Maggie haveman vibe. Yeah,
you knew all this stuff about Trump and you saved
it for the book. Is the critisis she gets every

(11:00):
single day. Now. I can argue that North and South,
but in this case, you know she had coverage about
policy shit in the White House. This is coverage about
whether the president is a pedophile. This is these are
the questions.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
So you bring Michael do you bring him in?

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Then?

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Rick, if your house oversight, do you bring michaelwon? And
now do you ask him what was you knew that
would quote helped finish him end quote.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
It's going to It's gonna come out one way or
the other. Because this is a weird kind of true.
This is a telltale heart kind of story right now
where yeah, it hasn't gone away. And people kept thinking,
and I know a lot of people around the MAGA
world thought, oh, it's going to go away, Frump will
bullshit his way through it. Something what else will happen?

(11:47):
But it has stayed as this constant drum beat for
the last ten months. It never disappears, It never fades
down enough, and the minute anything else calms down, it
pops back up. And right now, in some ways, he
should have wanted the government shutdown to continue forever.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I said the same thing, man. He is the victim
of a news cycle. I know, man, you and I
are some potago that way. He is the victim of
a news cycle that's kind of pumped the brakes a
little bit on shutdown and other things, even though those
are still obviously very important. And no, the shutdown hasn't
ended people. I'm sorry, I don't agree with that assessment.
When people say that it is still happening day in
and day out, people still don't have their still Yeah,

(12:24):
people are sure hurting, But I will say it sucks
for him, sucks for him that the news cycle today was, Hey,
how's does to come back and vote? Oh, Grijalva gets
torn in discharge petition. Oh and look at the tranche
of information that just came out that was released by
House Oversight. Comber must be getting his ass reams, Oh
this shit right now, Maget.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
They must be beating Comber six ways from Sunday right now, olypoop.
This guy, that guy. The one thing you and I
both know about Jim Comber. He is not a smart man.
He is not a smart man. And so he is
now staring in the face to something that I think
Pam Bondi and others that short him. No, no, no, no,
nothing else is coming out. Don't worry. You can still

(13:06):
talk about Hillary's emails or whatever bs you make up.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
You know, auto autopen, Biden's.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Autopen, Yeah, Joe's audit, Joe Biden's autopen. But I think
that this is I mean, I think, folks, excuse me.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Today has been a hell of a day for for
for just for people who look at this and say,
am I going to be a party to something truly monstrous?

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Am I going to be a party to covering up?
And then to the pardon of Blaine Maxwell. That's the
other reason they can't release these files, folks, is he
needs to pardon her to shut her mouth. If these
files come out. He cannot pardon Blayne Maxwell. It can't happen.
But there's nothing here in my mind that that were

(13:53):
I don't think there's a clean path out of this
now for the house, I think they are. I mean
ghols In, she would have been sworn in by the
time you know we finished this conversation. And and and
I don't think so far with the reporter, I've seen
that before we came on the air. Nancy Mace has
not changed, nor has Bobert.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
And you know, and you know EMPTG isn't because she's
been doing immediate.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Is going to go and read that? Yeah, and that's
a whole We just have a whole another day on MTG.
But but I will take the enemy of my enemy
right now.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Oh look, I'm not I'm not listen. The macavel inside
of me is not above taking the help where we
can get it. I'm not listen. They're not invited to
the Thanksgiving table let me be clear, but I will.
I will grant them the daily grace if they're going
to be on the right side of history. For example,
Ran Paul voted against on Sunday, joining his Republican colleagues

(14:47):
in the Senate on that bullshit. So listen again, give
them grace words due. I will say this. You know
who also needs to be hauled in front of oversight.
One of our dear, dear deer targets, Steve Bannon. Steve
Bannon text messages in these in these disclosures. Quote on
June twenty nineteen message, can't believe nobody is making you

(15:08):
as in Epstein the connective tissue. What do you know,
Steve Bannon? What do you know?

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Steve Bannon also recorded something like twenty hours of interviews
with Jeffrey Epstein. He has like twenty plus hours of
videotape with Epstein, and he was counseling Epstein on how
to improve his public image and how to get back
in good with Donald Trump and all this other stuff.
I would really like to understand why the deeply curious

(15:35):
group of people who were at the White House that
day accepting their special notebooks with Epstein didn't do They
never seem to take a look at brother Bannon, and
he was clearly either in business with or you know,
using him as a subject for a documentary. You know,

(15:56):
Jeffrey Epstein, I just I think you're right, that is
that is another play are in this mess that I
think is going to be top top top of my
mind for the House when they come back.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Well, this text message, just to give everybody chronological context.
June third, twenty nineteen, is on the eve of the
July twenty nineteen indictment from the Southern District of New York,
wherein Jeffrey Epstein finally faced some federal accountability because you remember,
the US Attorney for the Southern District of Florida, alex Acosta,
never prosecuted Epstein or co conspirators. And you know who

(16:28):
else was facilitating giving Gilaine Maxwell the pass was Comber again.
She was due to be deposed in augusite of this
year by House oversight, but because she had a pending
petition for re assert to the Supreme Court of the
United States on her appeal. They said Comber gave her
a pass and said, when the Supreme Court rules on
your petition, you'll come back. Oh honey, that's been done
and over with for most now, and she hasn't appeared.

(16:52):
And instead Blanche decided to substitute, thinking he could pull
the wool over the American's eyes by doing that nine
hour let me braide your hair and drink cocktails moment
with her. So there has been a cover up of
a massive, massive size And I just feel like, you know,
what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
And I don't think that you can push the hypocrisy

(17:13):
agenda this far and not have to fucking Biden in
the end. And I believe that that's exactly what's going
to happen here.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Speaking of the hypocrisy agenda, there was one of these
emails that has nothing to do with the with the
underage victims of Jeffrey Epstein and Gawayne Maxwell and and
potentially Donald Trump. It was the one email where Epstein
said somebody should ask Trump about where he got the
money to buy mar Alago, the unions and a casino
that he loaned him thirty million dollars to buy mar

(17:41):
A Lago. I was told that mortgane fraud is a
very bad thing. I was told, yes, it was one
of the times of the century. And I'm curious if,
if if Donald Trump has ever been candid about that
in any of his federal filings, which when you run
for president, folks, you have to do these big financial disclosures,
and they are complicated and they are thorough, and they

(18:03):
go way back all to the dawn of time. So
I'm fascinated to see how we're going to how the Dojakes,
who are like Gannie I'm a spot with mortgage fraud
cases right now, treats that revelation well.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
I mean, we had the media reporting yesterday that Bill
Poulti was being investigated right for how he managed to
get those records visa via the mortgage fraud allegations. And
now we know where it is. And remember that was
the crux of the civil fraud litigation that Letitia James
brought as in your Attorney General that resulted in that
verdict that's been challenged on appeal. Another thing I wanted
to go back very quickly, if you don't mine is

(18:35):
in the sixteen page PDF that came out February eighteenth,
twenty seventeen. Jeffrey Epstein writes to Roy Black, the late
the criminal defense lawyer who just passed away. I knew
Roy very well. Quote Boom will represent Acosta at hearings
meeting alex Acosta concerning his Senate confirmation hearings to be
the Secretary of Labor, to which Roy said he will

(18:56):
be by himself, perhaps a Trump administration aid to assist
and accompany him. If you recall that alex Acosta testified
in front of House Oversight that you know, very little contact,
no contact with the White House, very little, very little,
very little. Come on, we all know there was a
measure of vetting and prep and shit going on.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
I've been to that rodeo. I've helped that cabinet and
sub cabinet and judicial appointees. Inside government. There is never like,
oh that guy seems good, let's put him up.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
They did, They go Why would Jeffrey Epstein care about
sal Many being nominated for the Secretary of fucking Labor
unless he knew that there was perhaps something there that
might come out, you know, in the midst of the questioning.
It's The level of incest that's going on with this
group is disgusting. The level of conspiracy going on in

(19:47):
this group is disgusting. But you know, the true stupidity is,
did you really think it was never going to see
the light of day? It may take a long time,
what is it the wheels of justice? Ryan slowly? You know,
they still fucking do it? And they did they not
think this ship was going to come out eventually? Please?

Speaker 1 (20:05):
That's the craziest part is although this stuff is now
twenty years old, it doesn't it still has the capacity
to shock the senses. So it's the capacity where you
read these things and you're like, I mean, god knows.
I've interviewed the Gfrey family members, and I've interviewed and
War who wrote the book about Oh Nobody's Girl, and

(20:27):
it was wrenching, and I'm thinking this was happening back
in the two thousands, but yet it feels so current
and present because if you're a parent, you think, if
that was my little girl, what would I feel? And
do you lose your damn mind? And these people, hundreds
and potentially thousands of victims of Epstein and Maxwell are

(20:47):
out there in the wind and They're all thinking, what
the fuck is my government doing covering all this up
to protect Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Well, it is a It is a story about myny wealth.
Power means influence, right one. But two, Epstein and Maxwell
didn't do this in a vacuum. They had assistance to
be able to do this. They paid for the assistance.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
They paid to assistance and lawyers and doctors and every
other guy.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
But there were other people that were complicit in the
trafficking and in the partaking of the sexual abuse. Number one.
Number two, the thing that bothers me is the victims
and survivors of Epstein, Maxwell and others. And I always
emphasized Ricky and others because that was the whole point
of this. Jamie Raskin just last week sent a letter
to Pamela Joe at the DOJ stating why after Donald

(21:34):
Trump was sworn in in January of twenty twenty five,
did the Southern District of New York stop its investigation
into any potential co conspirators of Epstein and Maxwell? And
the file was transferred from New York to Washington, d C.
Main Justice, after which in July we had that bullshit
declaration in a memo quote, there's nothing credible here about
third parties to continue to look at and prosecute obviously

(21:59):
the cover off. Right, We're not dumb, we know exactly
what is happening here.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
This is the largest cover up in modern government history, folks,
and I mean above and beyond Watergate, because it covers
so many more victims, so much more harm, and such
a more And look, I'm not saying that that breaking
into the Democratic Party headquarters is a good idea or whatever,
but I am saying that was stuff that was You

(22:27):
could look at it and squint and say it's politics. Bullshit.
This is rape of underage girls, trafficking. This is child rape.
This is child rape, this is trafficking of children and
adult women. This is ongoing sexual abuse at the hands
of Julane Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and a whole bunch

(22:48):
of rich guys that they were friends with. And it's
it's unexcusable.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
I want to make sure something's very clear here. The
victims and survivors of Epstein, Maxwell and others have been
failed grossly by the system. Not only have they it's
been documented that the Victims Crime Rights Act has been
violated or the Prime Victim's Rights Act excuse me, has
been violated for them, and it was designed to protect them.

(23:14):
But the abuse is ongoing. And the reason why I
say that, Rick is although maybe the physical abuse has stopped,
how is this not emotionally abusive to have alex Acosta
sit there and say, well, the credibility was suspects, so
we didn't move forward even though we had a multi
count indictment prepared to be able to move forward federally. Uh,
you know what, I'm a Republican in Congress, but I

(23:36):
don't need to really meet or listen to the victims
and survivors with Epstein because this is just a Democratic hoax.
The abuse is ongoing. It is the biggest insult and
slap in the face of these poor victims. So at
the very least the Americans should be able to judge
for themselves whether they want to be complicit themselves. And
continuing to allow somebody who has this bears fruit. Donald

(24:00):
Trump has committed impeachable offensive for which he has zero
fitness for office, and Americans should say to their electeds,
you need to get him the fuck out of office now.
You and I need to have a whole other conversation
about Jadie Vance President. That's a whole other thing. But
in the meantime, in the meantime, I'm just saying that
what this guy has done is impeachable.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
And I think the other area where it's impeachable is
in the actions of Bondi, Battel, Bongino, and Blanche. They
have been engaged in a criminal activity. They are in
a criminal cover up right now. They are subborting her
perjury to protect Donald Trump. They are engaged in something
that is cruely monstrous. And I think, I think, you know,

(24:46):
I don't want to waste a lot of time on
Donald Trump if he's not going to be actually convicted.
But I want to drag Pamela Bondie, and I want
to drag Todd Blanche and Dan Bongino and Cash Bettel
over hot coals and broken Glas asked for a thousand
years because they know what they're doing to these young women.
They know what they're doing to them.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, and you and I have talked about how critical
it is for accountability to actually have a face and
to actually have a moment, which is why getting us
back into the levers of power positions to be able
to have accountability hearings for all of it. For the
Ed Martin's, the Pamela Jose, the Captel, the toab Lanchez,
the Emil Bovis, the Greg Bovino's, Uni jenm Piro's, the

(25:34):
Lindsay Halligans, the Lena Habas. I could go on and
on horrifically. As a member of the bar. They are
members of the bar, almost all of them. Right, they
are lawyers that should know better. I have called them
the enablers. I have called them in enablers for years
since Trump turned one point zero. And really, you know
the funny thing is, and I spoke about this this morning.
You know they're so dumb that they haven't figured out

(25:55):
that with somebody like Trump, transactional loyalty is the name
of the game. And when Trump figures out that his
ass is high and dry and left to be hanged,
you know he's not going to be worried about bringing
their asses down with him as well. Right, I had
no idea, Right, And what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (26:17):
It's almost as if everything Trump touches dies when you think.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
So, hmmm, Rick, what a concept. No, look, these these
but these are the moments that we have to actually
State and I and I always look for these moments
because I've been frustrated since Sunday's vote. This is this
is when you appreciate process and rule of law. And
what I mean by dad is a congressional subpoena was

(26:40):
served on the Epstein estate. The Epstein A State has
given us the birthday book, The Epstein A State has
given us financials. The Epstein A State has now given
us these emails. Somebody figured out at the Epstein Estate
that compliance with the congressional subpoena is the lawful thing
to do. Unlike Pamela Joe at the DOJ who also
bought a lawful serve of congressional subpoena and is given

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it the big middle finger. I'm just grateful that the
process exists, even in a place where we are not
in the majority to be able to control outcomes. At
least we get this small measure of transparency and accountability.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Exactly. Well, Katie Fang, I want to thank you for
coming on the show today. IM sorry my voice is
so raw. Folks us up to We will have you
back again very soon. My friend, this was such a
good conversation. I love you, appreciate you and we'll talk
to you soon.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Thank you guys, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
By thanks Brotty, thanks for tuning. Then see you again.