Rick Wilson

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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Patriots, Gatriots, atriots, black triots, brown triots, and all of
the maga that is so wound up about DEI what
can they do? Pumps for golf. That's right, that's what
they can do, pumps. What have you had it with?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Okay, what I've had it is, I've had it with bullshipped.
Don't bullship me. Don't piss down my leg and tell
me it's raining. Just be straight at This is what
I want from you. This is why I'm calling. I
got an email. I swear to god, it was like
forty five paragraph of bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. At the end,
the person wanted something from me. I would have appreciated

(01:07):
it more if they just said, hey, I know I
haven't seen you in thirty years, but will you do
this for me? I would be more inclined than if
use of praise for one hundred and sixty five thousand
pages and paragraphs, and then the ask. It's like, don't
kiss my ass, just tell me straight up. I had
somebody I haven't talked to you and forever text me

(01:27):
and say hey, will you sign a book and send
it to me? That was it, no preamble, We didn't
small talk, and I was like, yeah, send me the address, easy, peasy, greasy,
don't bullship me for fucking nothing. I only have so
much time on this earth left. I can't spend it
waiting through bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
That's a great grievance. Pops, it is a great grievance.
And there's just something about superficial phrase praise that is
so off putting to me. People are uber, uber, uber complimentary.
If they give you a compliment, you say, oh my gosh,
thank you, that's so nice, then it's time to move on.
But when they keep going it reeks of superficial praise.

(02:12):
It negates all genuine concern or praise that that person has,
and I just find it incredibly off putting.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, the sincerity's lost when it just keeps going and
going and going. I think I couldn't agree more Okay,
so mine isn't necessarily agrievance as much as it is
I'm gonna tattlete on myself for something. So Josh and
I go with our friends Renee and Eden to the

(02:43):
Tame and Paula concert in Brooklyn, and we love the band.
Tame and Paula are lesbian friends. They went with us
or on Australian. Tame and Paula is Australian. They did
like five sold out nights in Brooklyn, right, So I
got the tickets and we get to Barclay Center and
we go. I asked the lady, I'm like section eight,

(03:04):
and she's like, yeah, right down here. So we go
right down and.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
We see the four seats and I got the seats
that were on the aisle and we sit down, and
so a couple of times people were like, you're in
our seats, and we're like, no, these are our seats,
and they went on some of that typical stuff. And
then at one point one of our friends, I think
it was Renee, was up buying drinks and so there
were just three of us sitting in the four seats

(03:30):
and this girl comes in hot and sits in our
fourth seat and she has a beer and a water
and the concert has started. We're like three quarters of
away through the first song, so it's peak hyper focus
at this point, right, And I'm like, that's our seat
and she's like, no, it's not, and I'm like, yes.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
It is.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
That is our seat. You can't sit there. And then
she's showing me her ticket. I'm like, you're in the
wrong section and our friends coming back, like the concert started,
you need to go find your section. So she has
her two drinks, the beer in the water, and she
is drunk and she's slopping like this okay, and my
purse is hung over my arm wrist and the beer

(04:15):
in the water keeps hitting my purse and I really
like this purse. And I just went, God, damn it,
can I help you get out of front me? And
just just fucking pissy, just as twatty as I could be.
I just went, god, damn it, Like are you this
big of a train wreck?

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Right?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
So she's like I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm like it's good,
We're good. And I was like, god you kind of
that was such a bitchy, Jennifer. But I wanted to
watch the show and I want to just secure the
seat for our friend. Well, about five minutes later, a
couple comes up to our seats and they're like, what
row are you? We're row seven and he goes, this
is row six and I'm in these seats and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
That's the worst.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
That is the worst. Oh my god. And so there's
the lady that works at Barclay Center and she's wanting
to see our tickets and I couldn't. I didn't save
the tickets to wallet. They were just in my ticket
Master app, right, And because everybody was attached to all
of the Wi Fi capabilities and the antennas and the
five G I was unable to get in to our tickets.

(05:26):
Now we're on song Too, which was a banger of
a song, right, and we're homeless, And finally I get up.
Renee had had season tickets to the WNBA team Liberty
that played there, so she had the Wi Fi password
for the good WiFi of the arena, so she does
share password. I'm able to get in. I screenshot all

(05:48):
of our tickets. I go back to the lady that
kicked us out of our seat that we're our Clay
Center and she is like, oh, you're over a section,
so we get over. Somebody is in those seats, she
makes them move, we get our real seats. And then
it occurs to me that that girl that I went

(06:10):
god damn it with her, say she was probably in
the right seat. You were in her seat. I was, yeah,
And I was doing what she did the whole time,
and I was acting like I had my shit together
and she didn't have her shit together. Now, I do
think she could have been in the wrong section entirely,

(06:31):
because I think somebody would have guided her back before
the other couple came. But as I'm sitting there and
I can't enjoy the second song because I'm really browbeating myself. Right,
why do you have to be such a twad? She
was trying. Of course, she couldn't hold a glass. She
had no I don't know why they don't have lids

(06:53):
on these things. I don't know what happened to that
idea that when you get things at these arenas that
liquids just around. But I just wanted to tattle on
myself that I'm a big hypocrite. I am incapable of
finding the correct seats. I basically told somebody off that

(07:14):
didn't need to be told off when I was the
person that needed to be told off, And so I
felt like if I atoned here publicly, and I want
to tell the girl that I said, God damn it too.
I apologize profusely. I hope you found your seat. I
ended up finding mine, and I'm a bigger asshole that

(07:36):
I'm a bigger asshole than you could have ever been.
Despite slapping beer all over my one of my favorite purses,
I still humbly and sincerely apologize.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Here's the thing. I completely get the seat mix up.
I've done it. I try to be super gracious in
those situations because they happen a lot. But I am
a firm believer, and you just because you have a
seat to an event, you don't get to destroy anybody
else's property with all your shit. Because this happened to me,

(08:07):
not me. But I was sitting next to behind these
two guys at a Thunder game just recently. They're ship faced,
they have their solo cups piled up, you know, like
fourteen deep. So they get up to cheer, and they
both take their beer all over two roads in front
of them, like full beers all over these like old people.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
And I was just like enough, Like if you can't
hold your liquor better than throwing your beer on Grandma
and grandpa, sit it down, don't drink it, get a lit.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
These arenas don't have lids. That's a huge problem. We
need lids in these places. But like, there's no excuse
for her spilling on your purse. It's just not that hard.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, I think liquids in an arena or a large
capacity venue, we need to focus on liquidity safety and
keeping the liquid contained because then you open up a
whole can of worms to people slipping, falling, personal property
getting damaged, and this whole just free balling with these
cubs that have this really wide top build to the

(09:12):
very very top of beer or water and everything's flying around.
It's just it's just a liquid disaster, is what it is.
Welcome to I've had it. I'm Jennifer.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I'm Angie. HBIC stands for Beaver.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
All right, we have Kylie the producer. Kylie, how's going.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
It's going good. I actually had a recent thunder game.
I sat next to this old lady and we kind
of bonded, and she taps me on the elbow and
was like, Hey, I have this bag. I bring it
to every game. Put your stuff in it, like your jacket,
your purse, so that when things spill, nothing gets on it.
So she let me share her bag with her.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
That was nice.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
It's change that was really thoughtful. And see, this is
just something that's interesting that people are having to bring
a bag just to cure the bag, right, you know,
like I think we need to focus on liquid safety
and keeping the liquids contained into one device because you've
got a bunch of drunk people, a bunch of hooting

(10:12):
and hollering and crazy shit going on, and we just
can't have these liquids flying all over the place because
then I'm sitting there going god.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
To like a complete twap watch total.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
I was just awful Aurrah. And then she was like,
I'm sorry, I'm trying to go. I know you are,
I know you are. I'm sorry. Like I I got
right again there with her, but my I thought it
in my head. R God, damn it, this fucking bitch
and it just came out. It just I was like,
oh shit, that was supposed to be internal, right and
it just came right out.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Your indo, A voice came out.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
It happens to me a lot.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
It's funny that you brought that up because I have
a review and it's five stars and it says Jen.
I just wanted to write that I was the chick
that yelled your name at the Tamin Paula show in Brooklyn.
You and Josh are such a super hot couple. I
actually can't believe how beautiful you are in person. After
I fangirled seeing you, I just wanted to write in
that you and Pumps are my favorite podcasters. I hip

(11:09):
is how I get my daily news updates because I
just can't stand the rest of it anymore. And you
are both mother. It was so cool to see you
in New York as a native born and raised. We
welcome you, and I'm so excited for you to be here.
Hoping with Zorin and people like you, moving in New
York will be back to what it was.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Okay, I think it's safe to say that she was
not the girl but I God damned, which also we
can eliminate her as a candidate on my ongoing apology
tour to find this needle in the haystack of the
woman that I owe this apology to thank you, I
do remember that gal and she was so sweet. We

(11:48):
were leaving and she was like jin jin and we
turned and waved and she was very sweet. And it
was the Tame and Paula thing. Oh my god, if
y'all don't know who this guy is, so Josh and
I listen to their music all the time. Great so
in person, he is such an incredible talent. Kylie gets
your aspect in this. H you don't get to leave.

(12:08):
I was talking to you too. He is such an
incredible talent. It's oh my god, Kylie. Do you like
Tame and Paula.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
I love Tame and Paula.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
You know who Tame and Paula is?

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah. All right, moving along, Okay, now let's bring it
down a little. One star. Their name is fuck Your Reviews.
And they said, ah, the screeching old liberal white women show.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
It's as bad as it sounds, but it is great.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
That is great, miserable, that is so.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Look what my cup here right here, Seth dried up
and right on brand. Pop Ye nailed it right on brand.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Okay, Kylie, do you have any news stories to share
with us?

Speaker 4 (12:53):
I do have an interesting one. This one says the
door closed button in most elevators doesn't work. It's just
to make you feel ill.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
I knew it. I knew it.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
This says the door closed button you jab every morning,
It probably hasn't done anything in decades. According to the
head of the National Elevator Industry, most of these buttons
were disabled after the nineteen ninety Americans with Disabilities Act
mandated that elevator doors remain open long enough for people
with mobility challenges to safely enter. Then, it says, but

(13:24):
elevators aren't alone. As The New York Times notes, crosswalk
buttons and even office thermostats often fall into the same category,
designed more for psychological comfort than function.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
I knew it. It doesn't psychologically comfort me. It psychologically
tortures me that I pushed the closed door button and
the door doesn't close. This is this is psychological torture.
I knew they were fucking with us, Pops. This is
your way back into the legal profession with a class
action lawsuit for mass fraud, fraud, wasting abuse, right, wasting

(14:05):
our brain cells, abusing us by making us think we
are in control and when in fact we're not. And
they're like, haha, lol, joke's on you the National Elevator
What was that thing?

Speaker 4 (14:17):
I didn't even know there was such a thing, the
National Elevator Industry.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Okay, okay, never heard of what you know what, National
Elevator Industry. Fuck you for fucking with us for all
of these decades, and y'all just sitting around at the
National Elevator Industry offices going lol. I bet they have
little hidden cams in the closed door buttons. They're like,
look at this psycho And I'm sitting there going god

(14:45):
damn it, just like I did that girl at the
tam In Paula concert.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, I've been with you when you've done it, but
Jennifer and I have, I mean, we've said it on
the podcast before, but we like to when we see
people we don't want to be on the elevator with,
we act like we're trying to keep the elevator door
open and hit the door open, but we're really not.
It's just like, oh, oh sorry, but we weally.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
You see somebody coming and you're like, oh you see it,
acting like you're hitting door open, and you like slide
it over in this door closed. Sorry, I tried to
save it for you. Hit the bricks all right kind
of left, which I think means that we have a guest.
We are super excited about our guests. He likes to
shit talk, We like to shit talk. He hates Maga,

(15:30):
We hate Maga. And we're going to have a who
hates Maga the most contests. And of course I'm talking
about Rick Wilson of the Lincoln Project, and it's I
can't believe he hasn't been on I've Had It.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
I know.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
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criminally criminal, that we're three years into this thing and
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Rick Wilson, Why the fuck have you not been on
this pod?

Speaker 6 (19:15):
Soon?

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Right? How's this happen?

Speaker 3 (19:16):
So? I have no idea. It's a damn mystery, but
I'm delighted to be with you. Guys.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
We are so happy to have you on. I think
the Lincoln Project has been such a front runner in
fighting maggot. And I'm specifically interested that the majority of
you or all of you are former Republicans. Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Most most of us are former Republicans. And just you know,
I was sort of an outlier. I was the first,
like National Republican Consulting in twenty fifteen. I was like,
I'm not doing this shit, not fucking doing it. And
when we came together in twenty twenty, you know, all
of us were like, We're just not doing this we
are not. We're not we're not we're not your people.

(20:00):
And you know, it's funny because we are from that generation.

Speaker 6 (20:06):
I worked for the old George W.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Bush, the Bush Senior, the smart one.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
Well he was a he was a.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Very wise guy, Okay, And and it was a different
world now. I was joking with an old friend about
a year and a half ago. He said, remember when
we were in the White House, we used to fire
people for being rude.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah, like, oh.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
Yeah, yeah, I do.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
And now it's like, you could be a you could
be a Nazi war criminal. And you're like, they're like, fine, hey, cool,
he's what he's one of our guys.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, it's almost a prerequisite to be an asshole and
a bully.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Oh yeah, I mean and you look at you look
at the people inside the White House. They're all trying
to be like baby Trump's they're trying to imitate Trump
or trying to play their little, their own little like
sub variation of Trump. Stephen Miller is is the worst
possible kind of example of that. He's a guy who's
never been in a fight, He's never taken or delivered
a punch in his life, and yet he's in there

(21:00):
and gets a heart on from putting like kids in
zip ties.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
Yeah, it's sick.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
He is.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
He is, So.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
It's unbelievable to me. And I always wondered, like, who
is he married to? Yeah, and then I'll be goddamned
if his why should roll on to Peers Morgan? And
I was like, Oh, this totally she.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Is?

Speaker 6 (21:22):
She is.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
I mean, look, I don't know how Stephen Miller has
bred with anyone except in some sort of complicated lab experiment,
but apparently her standards are such that she was okay
with that, which tells you everything you need to know
about Katie Miller.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
No shit, Okay, Rick Wilson, what have you had it with?

Speaker 3 (21:43):
I have had it with this country treating the Democrats
and the Republicans like there are two sides of the
same coin. Yes, one of these parties. And look I
still come as this as an ex Republican. I don't
have to agree with everything in the Democratic Party. I don't,
but I do look at the two parties, and one
of the is an authoritarian fascist party that wants to

(22:03):
impose huge government control of everything you do in your life,
that wants to tell businesses how they should run that
wants to tell women how they should govern their lives,
that wants to tell everybody that they have to express
the official emotions the president wants. And that's the Republican Party.
I'm done with it. And Democrats and the media too

(22:24):
opten goals. Well, the Democrats and the Republicans are just
two sods of the same.

Speaker 6 (22:27):
They're not.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
The Democratic Party, as much of a hot mess as
it can be, does not want to impose a single
national standard for behavior on every single human being. They
are not out there saying, oh, let's round up all
those people we disagree with. They're not out there saying
the DOJ is going to prosecute all of our political opponents.
It is the disservice of people in politics and media

(22:50):
who do that. I think it is an astounding failure
on their part.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
I com I completely agree with this, and I think
that trickles down when the media says that. That trickles
down to the electorate. And you hear the electorate picking
that up by saying one voting for the lesser of
two evils, And the two evils with whom they were
discussing is either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump or Kamala
Harrison Donald Trump, and that corporate media assertion trickles down

(23:23):
and the electorate adopts it accordingly. And I think it's
we're in such a dangerous place. And I've been thinking
about this a lot. Sometimes I get mad at the journalists,
but I think we have to give a little bit
of space to them because the pressure from their corporate
owners is so intense, and they need health insurance and
they need a paycheck, and they're rearranging the deck chairs

(23:46):
on the Titanic. And I think this corporate media takeovers
that we're seeing. I just saw I don't know if
you guys saw this that Barry Weiss was in the
room during the sixty minutes interview, when he was sitting
there taking softball after softball after softball, and nobody asked
him about the MRI.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
No, And look, the corporate media thing. I want to
cover that quickly because I've been I'm writing a new book,
and a part of that is about this corporate media
takeover of everything. You know, when you essentially have Trump
allies running CBS, Trump Allies running part of the NBC family,
Trump allies at at ABC about Bending the Knee, and.

Speaker 6 (24:33):
Fox News, which of course is the like the creation of.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
End of Donald Trump. I don't want to hear any
bullshit from conservatives going, oh the liberal media, who, yeah, where,
where's this fucking liberal.

Speaker 6 (24:45):
Media that I hear so much about?

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Because what I mostly see is an increasing Oh and
by the way, the social media platforms are run by
Ketamine Nazi, Mark Zuckerberg and now Larry Ellison from Oracle,
who now is also owning who now also owns CBS.
So I'm sorry, I don't I don't want to hear
any bullshit about this liberal media edifice that's supposedly out

(25:09):
there when the MAGA media system is vast and expanding
by the minute.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Well, and statistically they have way more podcasts and influencers
and all that. Okay, I have a question for you.
You've been doing this a long time.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
You see well, I mean you worked for senior bitch.
You don't look at day over thirty five.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
But like the same washing of Trump, like the sliding
into dementia that we all clearly see, Biden has one misstep,
and I mean including MSNBC, all of the liberal media,
like a media as a whole, just you know, got
right on it, captured it talked about it. Trump slurs,

(25:53):
he makes no sense, he goes off on tangents, and
they say, Trump had a press conference today, not rambling.
Trump made no sense in dementia written press conference. What's
that about?

Speaker 6 (26:04):
Not crazy? Grandpa's shit?

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Talks for two hours in a rambling, long story about
some woman he met in high school.

Speaker 6 (26:11):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Joe Biden had a bad debate night and the world exploded. Okay,
that was all that was going to be talked about.
There were people who wrote books about it.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
Hello, Jake.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
All this other bullshit and Donald Trump's physical and mental
collapse is right in our faces every damn day. He
cannot string twenty words together without some wild ass misstatement
of fact. I say that kindly when he's not lying.
His sinility in his dementia is so obvious that he

(26:43):
does not understand where or where he is or what
he's doing. This is a president who is physically and
mentally collapsing in front of America, and he's in charge
of seven thousand nuclear weapons, and he's surrounded by people
who know this. This is why Russ Vaugh Project twenty
twenty five and Steven Miller and JD Vance and Pete

(27:04):
Hex at the Marco Review are all doing their own
thing because they can get away with it. Trump doesn't
have a clue what's happening around him, and he's easily
led and manipulated by both people internally like his own staff,
and externally like Vladimir Putin. He is a guy who
is physically and mentally knocking on death's door loudly, and

(27:24):
we're ignoring it as a country.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
I'll tell you who's not ignoring it are some members
of the Maga movement. And as the media ignores it
and sinewashes what I thought was a master class on
how to travel to Asia with dementia when he just
did the tour, I thought it was a master class
on that.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Right.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
But I'll tell you who has taken notice. And there
are some opportunistic, savvy players in the Maga movement who
are already seeing a post Kanks America that I never
mentioned him anymore. And I'm talking about Marjorie Taylor Green,
I'm talking about Tucker Carlson and they Ted Cruz and
they are stepping out and they rarely ever mention him.

(28:08):
They're bringing an economic populist message. They have actually paid
attention to the polling of what the American support is
for funding the war in Israel Gaza and seeing that
the poll it's wildly unpopular. And so they use a
very simple Trumpian xenophobic argument to make that will hit

(28:28):
hard in flyover states, which Marjorie Taylor Green does us
all the time. It's not America first when it's Israel first,
and they have health care and higher education and we don't.
And for somebody who is not a psycho like the
three of us that just like is you know, yes,
right as deep in the political news cycle twenty four

(28:50):
to seven, and they see it like, well, she doesn't
seem so crazy anymore, you know, that's right? Why are
we paying that? And it's not that Marjorie, she doesn't
give a shit about Palestinian heads. She's an anti Semite.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah. Look, the the Maga folks that see this coming,
that see this, you know, they understand that Trump will
die someday. Batch warial tables are one hundred percent undefeated
in all of human history so far, and when he goes,
they don't know what world to build. And yes, there

(29:24):
is an anti Semitic underpinning.

Speaker 6 (29:27):
In the Maga movement.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
There's a part of it that is wildly anti Semitic.
There's a part of it that doesn't understand how to
differentiate between Bibet and Yahoo and Israeli citizens.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
There's a part of it.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
That looks at that classic sort of populist nationalism and
says America first, bring it home, don't spend money there,
spend money here. And it's a longer argument for those
people to have in their heads, and they're not good
with long arguments. You can see the political motivations of again,
Ted Cruz, Josh Haully, Marjory Taylor, Green, Tom Cotton. A

(30:03):
lot of these people are looking out into the future,
not just two years from now at the you know,
as we wind down the Trump administration, but ten years
from now where they see a party that he managed
to really reshape in his image, and they don't know
how to unfuck it.

Speaker 6 (30:21):
They don't know how to.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Make it viable again without him on the ballot. And
that was you know, Trump Trump. Trump rarely tells the
truth that last night he came out and he said
Trump wasn't on the ballot, That's why you lost. That
was not an inconsiderable reason, that was a factor. He
pulls out these lower propensity voters that ordinarily wouldn't come
out to vote. What we call ones and twos. Voters
are scored on one to five scale. Fives vote in

(30:43):
every election, ones vote, and only when it's a celebrity.
He pulled those people out, but the rest of them can't.
And trying to sell trumpsm right now to regular human
beings in America, It's like here, have a delicious shit sandwich.
It doesn't work right.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Right exactly now. I think that I think that he
is a lame duck and the Republicans are some Republicans
are treating him as such. Of course, Moses, Mike Grinder
Johnson will go down with that ship.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
He will. He is killed down, all right.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
But I wish that the Democratic leadership would ride this
vibe right now and make the argument that you made
at the top of this podcast. Look, Zorn's a little
further left than I am, but we're not like Trump.
He won his primary fair and square, and we listen
to the voters of New York and we hear the

(31:43):
affordability argument, and we're here to support him as a
party because we're a big tent party. New York's a
little more liberal than the rest of the country, so
it makes perfect sense that he's a little bit more
liberal than I am personally. Corey Booker chuckles. They all
should have I went to the party, the.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
On party.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
They all should have been there because establishment Democrats go
hand in hand no matter what it is. But they
weren't there.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
They were a wall. I mean, these guys, they will
snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory every single time.

Speaker 6 (32:17):
I'm done with it.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
I know, I know I should be more polite about it,
but I cannot deal with Chuck Schumer and this instantaneous
like I will send a sternly worded letter that will
teach Donald trumpell less week right, won't fight him till
the death exactly.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
And here's the thing. They are playing two different games.
The Republicans and the Democrats are playing two different games. And
when when Kanks was out there saying they're going to
make d C State and Puerto Rico and they're going
to stack the court, I think if I was Hakim
and Check, I would stand up and go, you're goddamn right,
we're going to do well.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Every admitted that we're going to do all of them
as fast.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
As you moved. When we get power back, we're going
to move faster. And Merritt Garland fucked up and Joe
Biden fucked up by not appointing a fighter in that position.
You're goddamn right. We're going guns and blazing on all
of that shit.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
I gotta tell you, I mean, I think the Democrats
should be promising right now. We're going to dismantle projects
winning twenty five. We're going to dismantle Doge. We are
going to hold the people in these masked assholes from
ICE and DHS who are zip tying kids and kicking
the doors in on the homes of American citizens without
a warrant. We're going to hold them accountable. We're going

(33:30):
to cut off Christy nomes Jet. We're going to not
let her boyfriend Corey Leewandowski, you know, run this ship
behind the closed doors. We're going to drag Stephen Miller
up here for one thousand fucking hearings. We're going to
get every document. We're going to go into the White
House with a chainsaw. We're going to find every secret
of this bullshit that's going on. We're going to go
into all these corporate donors to the fucking ballroom, and

(33:53):
they're going to be sitting in front of committees in
the House and the Senate, and they're going to get
their heads caved in over and over again in public
to explain the corruption and the cruelty and the bullshit
that's going on in the criminality in this country. Democrats
need to show America they've got some fight in them.
One of the things that I can't that I've had
enough of, is like they're like, well, we'll focus group

(34:15):
this policy statement, no one will be offended, and now
go in and punch bad people in the face over
and over again, and yes, does everybody like that?

Speaker 6 (34:24):
No?

Speaker 3 (34:24):
But do Americans respond when you fight for them?

Speaker 6 (34:26):
Yes, they do.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Well that's why Trump was president twice. Even if he
lies through his teeth, he gives the appearance I'm gonna
go fine for you. And the focus group situation is
what I call pick me politics.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
And if you try to make it, I steal that.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
If you try to be a pick me politician, you're
going to be milk toast. Nobody's going to like you,
nobody's going to dislike you. They're not going to have
a strong opinion about you at all. When we had
Corey Booker on the podcast, he made an argument that
nobody really knows who Chucks Humor is and I was like, yeah,
fair enough, And I thought about it since we filmed,

(35:03):
and I thought, you know what, every motherfucker in this
country should know who Chuck Schumer is, because I know
everybody knew who Mitch McConnell was. We all knew that
Turtle Mini stroke train wreck, and everybody should know who
the Democratic leadership is. They should be household names. And
the focus group situation is so embarrassing. I read an

(35:24):
article that said that they had focused group that the
Democrats shouldn't talk about LGBTQ plus rights, and I'm like,
you dipshits. Andy Bursheer talked about it and he won
Kentucky twice. Zorn Mondani threw zero groups, zero groups under
the bus and took on billionaires and people fucking loved
it for him because he believed in something, and you

(35:46):
would much rather vote for somebody that believes in something
that is a pick me politicians, and the Democrats play
this pick me politics and it drives me fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
You know, you know that that moment that one of
the weirdest moments of my time at Lincoln Project. In
twenty twenty, before he passed, I had a conversation one
conversation with Harry Reid. You know, the old world of
Rick Wilson. Talking to Harry Reid is like, you know,
matter of anti matter, could have never happened. But he
said something to me in that conversation. He says, listen,
he goes, there have been three great Senate leaders, Linda

(36:18):
Baines Johnson, myself, and Mitch McConnell. And Mitch McConnell was
a great Senate leader in the minority or the majority
because he always had a plan and he didn't care
how to get there. He had a plan to execute
on it. And that is not Chuck Schumer, God bless him.
I mean, maybe the guy is a lovely person. I
don't know him personally. Maybe he's a lovely man. But

(36:38):
we are at the point now where fighters are necessary. Yeah,
and you know, I'd love to be in a world
where more diplomats were necessary, but right now street fighters
are necessary.

Speaker 6 (36:49):
And that pick me stuff is I'm so stealing on
that line.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
That's a great he can have it.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
He can.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
But the pick me thing is so true. It's like
they don't want to offend anybody, and so what you
end up with is something that might have worked in
the beginning, but it gets ground down and it gets
like there's no salt in it, there's no spice in it.
It's all like vanilla paste. There's nothing wrong with vanilla paste.
But it doesn't convince anybody. It doesn't make the world
go wow, Okay, this is a different idea. These people

(37:17):
are going to do something that I agree with or
that I feel strongly about. You just get this like
mush and that ain't it, folks, No, that ain't it.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Okay. I want to ask you this question. How worried
are you about the mid terms coming up? You see,
you know the jerrymandering and all that. But outside of that,
you know, Trump is now saying, well, if you do
what I say, they'll never get back in power again.
I'm like, I know, I know it's corrupt, I know
it's illegal because that's his mo.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
So so he wants to do this filibuster thing.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
And I will say this. John Thune came right out today.
I said I don't have the votes. He goes, I
don't have the votes. You gotta have two thirds of
the Senate. That is a real high hill. You're not
going to convince twelve Democrats to join the Republicans and
pass an into the film. It's not going to happen.
And in some ways I want to encourage him in

(38:12):
the fucking filibuster so that when we take the Senate
and see how it rolls. But they're not going to
do that, and so he's stuck there. The redistricting stuff.
You know, look, California, the Prop fifty last night passed
with a billion to one. Virginia now has a super
majority in the House of Delegates.

Speaker 6 (38:28):
If you all want to play.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Fuck around, we got Virginia now, and California and Maryland.
Wes Moore came out of Maryland last night and said
and said, well, you know what, none of the elections
over we could do redistricting too, how'd you have And
in a lot of Republican states Kansas, now, Missouri and Florida,
they've all basically said, yeah, we can't really pull this together.

(38:49):
So everybody needs to step back from the table, put
the guns down and not and let us have a
regular old bar fight with with a normal election. I
think the redistrict stuff they missed. There may still be
some screw around on that, but all the overall climate
of the year right now, we are looking at an

(39:09):
election that is driven by three things. For twenty six
Democrats now have a pathway to talk about affordability, the economy, jobs, families.
That isn't culture war. It's nuts and bolts. Hey, I'm
going to get these roads paved. Oh think about that.
I mean, that's crazy, right, We're gonna build put new
roofs on the schools. That's all this basic stuff. The

(39:32):
second thing is Donald Trump is the most unpopular president
of our lifetimes. And I'm sixty two years old and
I went through the numbers. In my entire lifetime. There
has never been a less popular president at all at all.

Speaker 6 (39:47):
And that is a.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Drag on Republicans because they defined themselves as the Trump Party.
These members of Congress, they're not the Republican member from
the third District of Illinois or whatever. They're the MAGA
candidate who serves Donald Trump. So they're stuck with him.
So as his numbers have gone down, their numbers have
gone down. The economy is killing them, The tariffs war

(40:12):
is killing them. The shutdown is killing them all. The
polling blames them for what Trump has done. And finally,
and I think the biggest thing here is Donald Trump
will not be on the ballot for twenty twenty six.
He's not going to be on that line. And so
these these less these low propencity Republicans who are now

(40:33):
sort of becoming dispirited and unhappy, are like, fuck it,
I'm staying home. And we also saw New Jersey in
Virginia last night, the Lincoln Project style Republicans, the moderate
Republicans crossed over and voted for Cheryl and for span Berger.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Love it. So on the economy, I feel like the
Republicans need to make a big shift in the manner
that they talk about this. Not the Republicans. The Democrats
seem to make a big shift on the way that
they talk about this. Republicans have always undeservedly gotten the

(41:07):
accreditation that we're so good with the economy, we're fiscally conservatives,
and it's a total heaping pile of bullshit.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
It is as a Republican, that's Republican. That's a power
of bullshit, right.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
It is one of the biggest lies that has been
perpetrated on the American public that Republicans are fiscally conservative
and that trickle down economic works, and that propaganda. Where
we are from Oklahoma, it hits really hard with Lincoln
Project style Republicans. They say, I'm fiscally conservative and I'm
socially liberal. And the Republicans do a really good job

(41:41):
for doing decades long propaganda that embeds into the electorate
to take credit for things that they did not earn.
The Democrats operate under assumption politics. We assume nobody is
going to vote for Donald Trump. Well, they fucked around
and he won twice. Right now they are ignored. Marjorie
Taylor Green and I keep screaming from the rooftops, we

(42:04):
have a fucking problem here. And they just assume nobody's
going to vote for her because she's the crazy QAnon
Jewish laser lady. And I think Democrats have to start
messaging Republicans fuck up the economy every single time. Then
they need to message how many big red cities can
you name? How many big red cities that are economic hubs,

(42:27):
that are you know, big donor cities named me one
big red city. You can't fucking do this, Yes, no,
and the Democrats need to start doing this, and it
makes me fucking crazy that they're playing patty Cake at
the at Congress talking about stupid shit.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Let me break this down into two parts, because you
made two really good points. First Off, Marjorie Taylor Green
is craftier than people are giving her credit for. Yes,
I don't think she's smart, but I think she's crafty.
And there's a difference and crafty and politics is a
good Donald Trump's not smart. He's crafty as fuck, Okay
he is. He is a sly motherfucker when it comes

(43:05):
to emotionally powerful things with the base. I think she's crafty,
and I think she's playing a game right now where
she's gonna say a little bit of like I was
drawn into MAGA because of my good heart about helping
poor people, but it was a lie. Now here's the
real me. I think it's bullshit, but I think that's
what she's playing at. I want to say this though,

(43:26):
about Democrats and economic messaging. They have for too long
come out with policy papers and big thick briefing books
and slide decks in powerpoints.

Speaker 6 (43:36):
Here's our plan.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Read read Chapter seven, Appendix four, and you'll you'll be convinced.
It's it's what I call the Ezra Kleine theory yet
of politics.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
You know what when.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
When Ezra Cline's like, you may think you know about Toboggans,
but the history is, you know, that's there's a joke
about that. I mean, it's like, it's like they need
to speak to people in America. In American, they need
to talk about jobs in ways that aren't wrapped up
in some weird policy statement or some catch all bill
that nobody really understands. Because as good as the Inflection

(44:10):
Recovery Act was for a lot of things, nobody understood
what it did. They couldn't never sold it in plain
English to regular people. And I think that there's an
opportunity for Democrats right now because Silicon Valley and private
equity and Wall Street and all this enormous wealth in
this country at the very top is expanding a thousand

(44:32):
times faster than families in this country. Real wages in
this country creep, and the value in private equity and
Wall Street and Silicon Valley leaps vertical every day. And
I think there's a way for Democrats to start saying,
you know, we got to build an economy that isn't
just guys who have a summer home in the Hamptons.

(44:55):
We got to build an economy that isn't just weird
ass guys in electric cars in Silicon Valley. We've got
to build an economy that in farm country and in
manufacturing country makes sense. We got to build an economy
that gives a shit about real people. We've got to
train people for real jobs. We've got to educate people
for real jobs, and stop trying to make everything into

(45:17):
this hyper sophisticated Like I said, the Ezra Cline argument,
people don't need all that nuance and back of the
room think tank bullshit.

Speaker 6 (45:26):
They want to hear real talk, you know.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
And it speaks to how the Marjorie Taylor Greens and
the Donald Trumps use very simple languaging. And I think
if the Democrats were to go into deeply read places
and say we need an economy that isn't built on lies.
The Republican Party has lied to you. They've used their
faith against you, and they've tried to create a boogeyman
for you to hate. And who you should hate is

(45:50):
that one percent who they're always Donald Trump riding around
his golf cart saying I'm lowing your taxes. You've been
lied to by the Republican Party, and have some fire
in it. Keep it very simple, keep it very black
and white. But I agree with you. It is this
when we have some of these Democratic politicians on the
podcast and you ask him a question which is a
fucking layup for them to answer, and then thirty seconds

(46:12):
into the answer, I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
It's like well, as in my role on the Subcommittee
for toilet seat Standards, I can tell you we've pass
several bills that would improve the possibility. No stop it.
And you know, there's a classic American fight of small
against big. Americans were always the small against the big.

(46:35):
And that's the Great Depression, that's World War Two, that's
all these things in American history. I think reframing this
because the Democrats as the party of big government.

Speaker 6 (46:45):
Is a lie.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
But the party against big entitlement and big wealth and
big control and big tech and big insurance and big banks,
that's a pathway where they can go out and Americans.
So those are my guys, those are my guys. They're
going to go kick the shit. You know, Elon Musk
does not need an eighth private jet.

Speaker 6 (47:07):
He does literally have.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Eight private jets, by the way, just so you know,
he doesn't need an eighth private jet. If he's worth
a trillion fucking dollars, well, then he can pay five
percent more in marginal taxes every year, or pay marginal
taxes at all. You know, there's a lot where they can,
where they can. They've got a cast of villains to
run against now, because Republicans will say, well, you know,

(47:29):
if you raise those taxes, it's going to be mom
and pop on main Street who pay the price. It's bullshit,
it's a lie. But Democrats never wanted to tell that
story evocatively.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Well, and I think here's an important message that the
Democrats haven't messaged, and the Republicans have done a very
good job. The Republicans have talked, spoke about privatization and
how important it is and how much preferable that is,
and the Democrats have not offered an alternative which the
facts are aligned with their policy. If you are for privatization,
then you're going to be on a Boeing and your

(48:02):
door of your airplane is going to fucking fly off
because there's been zero regulations on that and it's better
for you to have these services that are a matter
of life and death in the hands of people that
aren't doing it for profit, because every time it's for profit.
Look no further than the pharmaceutical industry, the fertilizer industry,

(48:23):
the military industrial complex, the tobacco industry. Twelve times out
of ten, they're going to dick you over and they
don't give a shit if you or somebody you love dies.
But the government does. And the Democrats have not offered
a defense. And that's why the public was so down
with all of these normal, everyday civil servants that worked

(48:46):
for the government getting fired, because the Democrats have never
explained how life saving and important those jobs are. Is
there room for cuts, Yes, but I believe it was
somebody that worked under Elon Musk if they interviewed that said,
I was actually really surprised at how efficient the government was,
and I didn't find that much waste.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
You know, years ago, a guy who was the Secretary
of the Air Force was a friend of mine, guy
named Don Rice. Years ago, we were talking about this
one night and he said, you know, here's what Americans want.
They want a government that's smaller, smarter, and better, and
I think those all could be done. I think the
Democrats could run on those three things. You know, we
do have bloat in the government. Short we could do

(49:29):
things a lot smarter, one hundred percent, but we could
also craft a government that is more about taking care
of things that people need in their lives. You know,
during World War Two, we provided childcare because women had
to go to work in the factories while men were
fighting the Nazis. We did things in our country that

(49:49):
that today, you know, people would say, oh, that's that's communism,
But you know what, I look at the rest of
the world and the things that they do for people,
and if we had a structure in our country where
this this absolutely incomprehensible amount of wealth that has been
generated from private equity, Wall Street and and and Silicon

(50:11):
Valley was accountable at all. And I say this from
a conservative economic perspective. These guys get a free fucking
ride on regulations, on taxes, on on on everything. We
support and basically fund them and provide them with an
enormous amount of wealth and protection. You know, when the

(50:33):
when the banks went tits up in two thousand and eight,
wasn't those poor fuckers who lost their houses and were
upside down on their mortgages. Who got bailed out. It
was JP Morgan.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Yep, you know all this and the airlines. You know,
the airlines have been built out.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
All the airlines I think have been bailed out like
five times in my lifetime.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
And what an important message that the Democrats should be
crawling all up like Moses Mike Grinder Johnson's ass. This
is what pissa like.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Now you don't, don't, don't, don't turn him on. He's
gonna have to report you on his porn app.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
It pisss me off to that Democrats don't call because
the Christian nationalists brought faith into the political discourse, and
I think Republicans need to, I mean, Democrats need to
respond to that, to say this guy, this guy's your
example of Jesus, the guy that's the pedophile protector that
doesn't do anything to fight for young kids to eat,

(51:31):
and they need to call it out directly. Hakim did
a few days ago he talked about the pedophile protection program.
I was like, yes, more of that. Now take it
further and call him a Christian hypocrite, because when they
quit playing pigmy politics and they put a little fight
in their step.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
It works.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
And I remember and y'all probably do too. In twenty
fifteen when Trump called Ted Cruz lion Ted and Marco
Rubio little Rubio, Lil Marco. I loved it. And what
was what was Jeb Bush?

Speaker 6 (52:02):
Low energy?

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Jeb low energy Jeb? There was something at the beginning
of that nobody ever thought he was going to win
or go anywhere. You know, we all assumed because assumption politics.
But there was something refreshing about calling out these fucktwatts
that just lie to us all the time. You know,
there was, and I wish the Democrats would strut doing that.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
You know, the passion that you want to see in
a candidate. Too often the consultants are saying, now, you
need to be a statesman right now. I was very
successful with a lot of candidates when I was a
political consultant because I told them you have to show fight.
You have to show people what you're going to do.
You can't don't be the diplomat now. And sometimes you

(52:46):
have to punch the other guy in the face and
they would hesitate. I don't want to do that. My
country club members would not like it. If and I
always had one line. I'm like, so, here's the deal.
On election day. You're gonna feel terrible if you lose,
and if you do these things, you're gonna feel terrible
if you win, is what you're telling me. But do
you want on election day have the title scumbag or

(53:08):
the honorable scumbag? Because the honorable scum bag gets to
go to Washington and be in the fucking Senate, or
gets to be the governor, or gets to be a
member of Congress, and a lot of them, thankfully, you know,
chose the honorable scumbag route. But it is a fight.
You have to show people that you will fight, and
you have to you have to call out the things

(53:30):
that you see. And Trump's greed and corruption and selfishness
has become the brand of the Republican Party. Democrats have
not figured this out yet. They still think, well, we're
going to run against this guy in this district because
you know, we were looking at his vote on The things
Trump has done are unpopular with two thirds of the

(53:50):
American people, and by unpopular, I mean like like radioactive
waste unpopular. And it's just it's just an open opportunity
for them to go in there and speak American to people.
You know, Bill clinton speechwriter was a guy named David Cousinant.
He wrote a book called Speaking American because Bill Clinton
used small words, easily understandable, spoke to people at a

(54:13):
seventh or eighth grade education level, and they found it persuasive.
Trump does the same thing. Democrats abandoned the multi syllable
words to get across.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
As a strategist, what do you think about the way
Zoron ran his campaign?

Speaker 3 (54:30):
So look, I think you know you mentioned yourself. Zorn's
a little to my left. But his campaign, just from
a technical perspective, was brilliant. It was disciplined. Every day
he communicated where the voters were, which is social media,
which is earned media and press. You know, look, voters
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do get their news from their phones. He ran a
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and over and over and over again worked to build

(55:15):
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(55:39):
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HGB or publics or whole foods or whatever, and you
that's not spinable. So families feel that. And when he
talked about it over and over and over again.

Speaker 6 (55:51):
And when you see New York as this city with
this insane wealth on the top end, and and and
people who you know, a middle class family in New
York now has a three hundred thousand dollars income, and
that's it's impossible to raise a child there. You know that.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
And and so he kept that discipline in that focus
every day. He also was a happy warrior, which counts
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whathe do you agree with them or disagree with them?
They were happy warriors. Reagan was a happy warrior. Bill
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(56:31):
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Mom DOMI was able to run against Cuomo, who basically
functionally became Trump in the race, and he ran a

(56:54):
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learn from it. The branding was great, the logos were great,
the music and the and the and the video composition
was great, and people felt like they knew him. He
became a friend to people through the social media stuff
and they liked it a lot. Now, being mayor is
a hard fucking job. It's the hardest job in America.

Speaker 6 (57:17):
I know this.

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I was a senior advisor to the mayor of New
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our world famous game called it, had It or Hit It?

(01:01:34):
Oh my god, welcome to had it or hit It?

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
I would hit it better had it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Had it or hit It?

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Internet trolls, I hit them, like them.

Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
It's not that I like them or hate them. It's
that I understand that they are a sign that the
other side is pissed off at you and that you're
doing your job. Yep, So I hit them, hit it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
I like it. I see.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
That's how I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
That's a winning attitude. That is the brand of fuck
you politics that I need in a leadership position right now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
You know name as I like to say, make me
Democratic chair for a week, I will change the entire party.
It will not be pretty, but it will be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
No, we need to have we need to embrace rational
politics and head straight into fuck you politics. People are
craving it, and that's what the focus group is never
going to pick up on.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Okay, had it or Hit It?

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Florida, I'm a fifth generation Florida man. My granddaughter is
a seventh generation Florida woman. But I have had it. Yeah,
I live in North Florida. I live I'm practically Ronda
Santas's next door neighbor. I love my state on some levels,
but I've had it. It's just it's such an ugly
place now, both spiritually and physically. It's developed, like it's

(01:02:55):
over developed, like crazy. It's the politics here is so
ugly and cruel and shitty, and it's I hate saying that,
but I've had it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
What's going on with Kitten Hills? What's he up to?
I mean, you know, he thought he was the big
heir apparent to Trump, and I haven't really seen that
tough guy or as Kitten Hill around much at all.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
You know. Here, here's the thing. He did not understand
that Trump would never let him back in the circle.
Right because Trump's chief of staff, Susie Wiles, used to
work for DeSantis and Desanti's wife, Casey Macbeth, I call
her Casey decided Susie Wills had to go and humiliated
her publicly, and Susie Wiles has never forgotten that, and

(01:03:36):
she pisses in Trump's ear about de Santis all the time.
He's he's he's dead, but he's too dumb to lay down. Yeah,
I've had it with him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Yeah he's over. I did see him now very recently
on Fox News and you know he has that weird mouth.
He has no riz people talk about how Yes, so
he is on there. I swear to God during the interview,
he's sitting there going, he's like, really true.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
You can see that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
You can see it will un human program seven smile, smile, Yeah,
exactly right, that's exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
It's really inauthentic to say the least.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Oh God, yeah, the guys hot wreck, hot mess.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I just that photograph of him with the white range
one that is just I mean, it is just absolute perfection.
And it tells you that when you are a politician
that paints over pride sidewalks, if you would have had
a gay person on staff, they would have never want

(01:04:35):
you to be in front of a camera and those ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
I have a theory of related to that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Okay, let's hear it is that is that his staff
hates him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Yeah, it has to be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
That is my theory. His staff hates him and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
They have to.

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
He is a. He is an.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Incredibly unpleasant person, incredibly unpleasant and and will it will
never be president.

Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
He's just there there, he's poison.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Yeah, okay, had it? Or hit it Trump's ballroom?

Speaker 6 (01:05:08):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
God, had it? I wrote a piece right after the
East Wing was torn down. Remember when I was at
the White House? I mean, the East Wing was this
beautiful historic place. It was a symbol of American generosity
and graciousness and hospitality, and you know, and and and
that place would be one day it would be a
team of junior high basketball championship girls, and the next

(01:05:31):
day would be astronauts. And the next day it would
be a Nobel Prize winners, and the next day it
would be you know, kids working in an apprentice program.
And it was it was a special historic place. And
the obscenity of him tearing it down in the ten
years of Trump, other than January sixth, I can't think

(01:05:51):
of something that made me more emotionally angry than that
that that it was just such an obscenity, and it's
such a such a an arrogant Saddam Hussein like ego thing,
just really infuriating.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Did you see did you see where now? Because of
the advanced dementia that they have in gold lettering. Put
on the output of the Oval Office. It says the
Oval Office.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
And it's like, you fucking dipshits gets rounded.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Everybody fucking knows that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Everybody gets it. Everybody gets it. These people, you know,
this is like an insane medieval king. They all know
that he's not the guy in power anymore. He still
has that ability to command, but everybody knows this game
is ending, this game is winding down. It's curtains and

(01:06:48):
none of the people around him, by the way, who
are getting away with murder right now quite literally. And
Stephen Miller's case, Yes, Democrats, if you let them go,
you are fools. They will spread the vices if you
don't hold them to account when he's when he's gone.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I agree. You think they Wouldn't You think that they
would ever fucking blink if an Obama or Kamala Harris
did something to the Oval Office war crimes and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
If I put up if I was Barack Obama and
I put up Timu whorehouse, decorse stick on gold beef,
bullshit all over the White Oval Office, Fox News would
be running a twenty four hour I think they're that's
a Christian of the White House and there would be
people in the street with pitchforks and torches. Yeah, because
it is there's a Southern word that my grandmother sues,

(01:07:41):
grad do. I don't know if y'all know that word, but.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
They do in Oklahoma.

Speaker 6 (01:07:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Well, well, the grad do all over the White House
is a sign of his dementia. Also, Yeah, he wants
to be somewhere that looks like mar A Lago, so
he's comfortable it looks like it looks like his Liberachi
bukkaki spooge glitter fucking Marie. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
And I also have this theory Rick that the real
uh psychotic planners that are thinking long term here, that
want to dismant all the Constitution. They realize, let's give
him projects. We'll give him arts and crafts projects, and
he can have show and tell with the billionaires on
the Oval. He can build his arc, he can do

(01:08:25):
his ballroom, and we'll keep him occupied with the Lincoln
bathroom while Russ Vought, Stephen Miller and Peter Thiel and
ban Yeah, where they really fuck it up because they
know that if they do not consolidate power in him, right,
now they do not have an air apparent that can

(01:08:45):
go win a real election. You think jd Vance, the
failed drag queen, is going to win a general. No,
And Kitten Hills everybody hates his ass. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
So jd Vance is is is a guy who is
really trying to play act charisma and it isn't there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
No, And the whole Erica Kirk jd Vance thing is
just weird, so gross, It's so weird. The way that
whole thing has rolled out has just been so bizarre.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
My favorite, my favorite, some woman on Instagram. She said, oh, Rushia,
you in danger girl.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Okay, Rick Wilson, last one had it or hit it.
The United States of America hit it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
I'm keeping it. I'm going to fight for it. They're
going to carry me out feet first out of this
fight most likely. You know. I'm just gonna I'm gonna
keep plugging away for this place because we are the
inheritors of a tremendous gift. Our country didn't start out perfect,
and we have, but we have millions of people who
have sacrificed their lives on the battlefield and in the

(01:09:49):
streets and in courts and in Congress and who've tried
to build something that honored the Constitution and the founders
and the sacrifices that the generations before us have made.
And I absolutely refuse to give that up to this
petty gyrant and his and his scusy little minions and

(01:10:12):
this grotesque movement that they think is going to replace
the Republic and American democracy. Just won't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Yeah, I love that. We'll leave it there. Rick Wilson
of the Lincoln Project, thank you for all of the work.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Thanks so much for both of you for having me.
I really appreciate it. It was so fun.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Yeah, it's so fun. I'm so glad that we collabed.
And let's just keep keep fighting him. Let's keep pushing
the Dems to do a better job, and let's just
absolutely ridiculing the fuck out of these.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Fucking ridicule That's why I deliver it hot every day.
Love its appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Thanks, bye bye, Okay. I just think he's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
I really, I mean I cannot believe this is just
now having him on. I like everything he does. I
want to see it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
And he delivers the what the Democrats haven't tapped into,
which is this kind of rage, you know, with status
quo politics, with MAGA, with democratic establishment. He's a very
good communicator. And I think his idea of going to
run the DNC doing it like a two month little
smith there, I'm all for that. I think that that

(01:11:21):
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