Rick Wilson

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Rick Wilson, Molly John Fast a little bird told me
you were in the Gettysburg of the Maga Civil War
this weekend.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
The District of Columbia where I ate dish next to
Todd Blanche and Borished Epstein.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Oh my gosh, they could not have ever been doing
anything corrupt or dirty.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Well, they were with their families, so I would assume not,
but who knows. I also couldn't hear anything because it
was so loud, But I will say I am reminded
that the District of Columbia has about seven people who
live in it, and it is literally like being on
a cruise ship.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yes, it's like a country club in a mid sized town.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
It is the country club from Hell. Speaking of from Hell,
Susie Wilds, who is Donald Trump's chief of staff and
probably why Donald Trump is president today, a meaningful part
of it. Yes, And she comes from Desanti's world, where
DeSantis did something so stupid. I don't know what he.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Means, La Lady Macbeth Casey DeSantis Casey mc alienator. She
fired her and then publicly humiliated her in the press.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
And see Wiles went and made Donald Trump president.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
As Susan I was weighed carefully her options and said,
how am I going to fuck these people harder than
they've ever been fucked before? And she went back to
Trump and all of this, all these machinations of Ronda
Santas running for president, were happening before he was even governor,
and she blew up their ten year plan, absolutely train

(01:35):
wrecked his presidential campaign and was really one of the
reasons Donald Trump was elected because she would go to
the big donors, the serious people, not the crazies, and say,
I'm going to control it. I can imagine him. I'll
set up systems, We'll let him go and play with
parades and watch the fighter planes fly over, and the
grown ups will do business. But so what happened?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
So let's fast forward to Susie Wiles today. What is
happening with miss Wilder?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Well, I will tell you the magi are now have
They've looked at the last ten months. They've looked at
the steep decline in Trump's polling. They looked at one
disaster after another since ten days ago. On election night,
there's a rising drum beat inside the Maga world of
both people inside the White House who don't like her e. G.

(02:27):
Stephen Miller and of the MAGA influencer ecosystem out there
in the world. They're all looking for a way to say, no,
this isn't Trump's fault, This isn't Trump's bad decisions, This
isn't a public assessment of Donald Trump being a terrible
leader in destroying the economy and zip tying children in
the streets and running a police state. It must all

(02:50):
be Susie Wiles's fault, because she's the one who's secret.
They call her like swampy Susie. She's getting the nicknames.
She's in that moment right now. There's always an arc.
I wrote about this today in an article on my
substat called Run Susie, Run. And there's an arc with Trump. First,
you're the essential person, the highly respected Susie Wiles, you know,
great chief of staff. And then it's you get the

(03:12):
responsibility of trying to clean up the messages, and you're
always behind the elephant with the smallest shovel in the world.
Then in the point where all his mistakes and fuck
ups start to accrete and they can't be cleaned up,
it's like, well, it must be her fault or their fault.
Whoever the person is and right now she's in the
phase where Trump is on the phone and people going,
do you think Susie's doing a good job? Once he
does that, start the clock fucked. Yeah, Everything Trump touches

(03:36):
dies at that point.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Here's a question for you. Stephen Miller wants Susie out.
But what is Stephen Miller doing? That is like bankable
or good?

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Nothing? Nothing, It doesn't matter. Look, there are three reasons
you want to be chief of staff. Reason one is
that you're loyal to the guy. You came up with
him as a congressman, a governor, a president lifers. Trump
has no one like that around him, no one, not
even this family. Right. The second reason is it's the
highest you can ascend in the pairmid of political power

(04:08):
in America without being an elected official. It is the
most powerful non elected job in DC by far. And
the third reason you want to do it is once
you're chief of staff, the rest of your life, you're
never on schedule to or travel again. You are going.
You're on corporate boards all over the country. You travel
around the world to give compensated speeches and beautiful resorts
to very wealthy people.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Steven Miller is going to be on corporate boards.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Oh no, Steven Miller will not. This is what Susie Wiles.
This what Susie Wiles wanted. Steven Miller is going to
be in a fucking prison if I have anything to
do with it.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well, he's certainly not going to be on the board
of American Airlines. Uh No, he is being like being like,
let's pepper spray babies. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, So her position is tenuous now. A lot of
her people have been leaving DC. A lot of people
she brought in who were more sane, more rational people.
They're already out of the administration. They're like, need to
spend more time with my family. My, wow, my, my, my, my,
My service here has been the greatest honor of my life. Sir.
But my, you know, I've got to go mow my

(05:10):
lawn whatever.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Right, lawn mowing is important.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
That's That's what I'm told.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
But but she is she is not immune to the
power of everything Trump touches dies and she's not immune
to the power that the MAGA influencer class has over Trump.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
And and I've been keeping an eye on a couple
of them. I haven't seen her attack directly yet. By
lumersobiac all those sort of people that you would start
to you know that Trump's made a decision by the
time they start attacking somebody right right there yet. But
she is, she is, you know, she's got this enough

(05:48):
of the smell of death around her that the vultures
are circling over.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Her head when this happens eventually. I mean, one of
the things Trump two point zero has done that Trump
one has not done is that he does not fire
people in this new administration. Right people they moved to Greece,
like Don Junior's girlfriend, They get moved around, but they
don't necessarily get fired that I think he thinks that

(06:14):
will keep the leakers at bay. So this would actually
be a paradigm shift.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yes, it would be, And I will tell you it's
a paradigm shift because they are in a crisis that
they have not been able to break the cycle on
when the Epstein stuff first started, you and I had
this conversation. This is the first thing we've ever seen
in a decade of watching this craziness that he can't
get under control. He may push it back for a

(06:41):
day or two, but it always comes back. Epstein is
the underscore of the soundtrack of the Trump Presidency Part
two and right now. You know, we saw basically what's
estimated to be about five percent of the materials that
are out there about Epstein least this week, and it
has been a pure firestorm on this guy. He has

(07:02):
been taking taking a a a chaotic approach to handling it.
You know, for these people to spend all week trying
to come up with a plan, and they're going to say, well,
we're going to investigate Reid Hoffman and Bill Clinton and
not Donald Trump, even his own people. The MAGA reaction
to this was like, come on, come.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
On, bro, my Man read Hoffman, though, let us give
a little credit where credit.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
I have been brother Hoffman, extremely crotchety and cranky with
Reid Hoffman in any number of different ways, and criticized
him ad nauseum, including sending him a d M that said,
I'm very disappointed in you, which is the way I
Jewish mother American democracy.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
And yet my Man stood up to Trump said go
for it. Fight, fight, fight, That's the only way. And
and by the way, I mean, look, you.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Know, tell you and I wish, I wish we had
more billionaires in this country. Who would display the guts.
Read Hoffman showed this week said bring it on. Fuck you, Yeah,
I will fight you. Let's go. Every time you show
Trump you're not afraid of him, they always take a
beat because they expect everybody to do what well a

(08:17):
lot of people have done over the over the over
the years. Yes sir, yes sir, how many? How many
make it better? Never apologize to Trump always said go
fuck yourself, get right back in his face, steer. That's
the only way, only way.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
But I think it's worth for a minute going back
to this moment here, because I actually think this is
the end of MAGA, and I want you and I'm
going to tell you. I'm going to tell you my
theory and then tell me your theory why you think
it's wrong or right or whatever. You know, you and
I we exchange theories, you know, all the time, you

(08:54):
have for a long time. So my theory is this,
there are two things that are taking down MAGA at
the same time, but only one is visible. So one
is the Epstein stuff, right, you see, Marjorie Taylor Green,
Lauren Beaupert, Thomas Massey, Nancy Mace, Nancy Mace. These people

(09:16):
are all like breaking with the party in a big way.
And supposedly there's like one hundred republic going to We're
going to vote for the discharge petition. Yep, big deal.
But the underlying reason why the MAGA is disintegrating is
because of inflation.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yes, these people are taking the economy in the face, right,
and they finally reached a point where they couldn't spend
it anymore and they couldn't say, well, you know, I'm
sacrificing for the good of the country because Donald Trump
needs this. Now they're basically at the point like he's
fucking us. Yeah, we're getting screwed. And you notice there's

(09:54):
an interesting and I think your theory is correct. Inflation
and economics are taking their cracking.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
They're the underlying right And why is.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
That, Molly, Because one of their most fundamental beliefs from
all the way back in twenty sixteen was that Donald
Trump was a masterful negotiator. He'd be great for the economy.
He's the guy who could solve all these economic problems
that the Libs have caused. Well, the Libs didn't cause them,
but what he did. What he did was shattered the

(10:25):
country with this tariff deal. And it is kept inflation
grinding away under the water, and it is not a
visible process. It's like it's like a disease and it's
eating away at them and they and they. It's hard
to go into the grocery store and say, yeah, no,
this isn't a two hundred and fifty dollars bill for
five bags of groceries. It's an eighty dollars bill like

(10:46):
Trump told me it is because it's not true. Can't
spin it.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
And we know that the inflation is a problem, and
that Trump is saying uncle. And you know why we
know that.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Because he's reversing the tariffs at nine o'clock on a Friday.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Night, as one does.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
He as one does. He's reversing the food tariffs that
have caused coffee and chocolnen and meat, wheat and meat
and all this other stuff to skyrocket.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Because my man sees Thanksgiving around the corner and Christmas.
And even though he did explain to Maga voters that
you might get one dollar instead of three or eleven.
By the way, this is the problem with making a
billionaire president is that he's not you know, you get
one you know you'll only get one jet that I

(11:39):
think this is really seeing it come apart here.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Look, I think, and I think there are there are
large things and small things that are shattering the coalition
on the economic axis. And if you look at all
the public polling and all the survey work that's out
there right now, everything in the economic basket, he's upside
down by between eleven and twenty seven points. On inflation,
he's down about twenty seven points across multiple polls. A

(12:06):
couple are worse, a couple are better, but the aggregate.
You you know, this is the same lesson gerald Ford
learned in nineteen seventy six. Inflation is a killer app
for voters. They will not tolerate it. Joe Biden and
Gerald Ford learned that lesson. Yeah it was, but by extension.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I was just gonna say, like, you can you can
just pull back from like a year ago. Yeah, No,
it's true. I mean the but the great irony of
all of this, which I think should not be ignored,
is that this is caused by trial.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Every bit of this inflation under Joe Biden was coming down.
It was coming down swiftly. But I mean, look, was
everybody happy, of course not. I wasn't happy. Nobody was happy.
The Fed wasn't happy. That's why they can the breaks on.
And that the reason Joe Biden ended up with inflation
was because Donald Trump had botched COVID so badly that

(13:08):
we had to juice the economy in the beginning of
the Biden administration and we paid for it on the
back end with inflation.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I mean, I also think everybody had inflation and even
if you hadn't used the economy. Yeah, but I also
think Biden world was fad at messaging it, so that
got them to a place where everything was a shit show.
But this is a problem of Donald Trump's so making
now I want to talk about what's happening right now

(13:36):
in there are a couple of cities where Donald Trump
is pulling out the National Guard, indeed, but there are
a couple of cities warmer weather where Donald Trump is
sending in ice.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yep, Charlotte is the new victim city.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
But Charlotte why there is.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
A meaningful Hispanic population in Mecklenburg County, which is the
main county in the Charlotte area. A lot of them
are legal, but that doesn't matter to Ice. Their criteria
is not legal or illegal. Their criteria is brown or
not brown. I also think that they reached a point
where Chicago was not providing them with the visuals they wanted.
And folks, if you don't believe me and believe us

(14:20):
that the MAGA media ecosystem is super coordinated, why haven't
you heard the word Portland in weeks? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Why haven't you heard?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Why is it that suddenly we're not seeing every MAGA influencer,
Benny Johnson and all the rest of all the way
down the food chain out in Portland trying to get
on camera.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, why not?

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Because it wasn't giving them the picture they wanted. They
were being mocked and ridiculed by people in frog outfits
and fuck this, will go to Chicago. And they went
to Chicago and people were going out in the streets
with whistles and people were coming out. There was one
of these small towns they showed up in outside suburbs
outside of Chicago, with a population of four thousand people
and five hundred showed up to protest. Ice they were

(15:00):
getting the message like fuck you, arrest us all give
it a shot. And so now they're going to try
for a different city and try for a different set
of visuals and yes, it's a lot warmer insure than
it is in Chicago. And a lot of these these
proud boys and these goons that have joined ICE in
the last five minutes, they're not exactly like Navy seal
toughness levels.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
It is interesting to me that the uh, this crew
that is doing the doing the arresting, so to speak,
is headed by dog killer and dog killer.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
And and and fraud Queen christinome.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yes, who has in fact, now there's this new reporting
from Pro Publica showing that she did in fact self
deal or give you know there, She's violated ethics so
shockingly this woman.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yes, So the Strategy Group is the company that she
used to build all these MAGA ads, all these ICE
ads that she's in, and they're all of her fully
made up, beautiful golden extensions, hair riding horses, trying to
look tough, you know, wearing body armor, the whole thing.
I'm gonna I'm gonna flip on the wayback machine for

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a second. The Strategy Group for media and and and
apparently also Chris Losovita. I heard the other day, I
read that somewhere they're cashing in on this media buy
to the tune of many, many, many millions of the
of the two hundred million dollars. They're the people. The
company was once headed by the guy that sent Michelle
Bachman the vibrator when she was a customer. I don't

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know if you that's a way back, that's a little
probably a little too obscure, too much of a deep
but they are they. The Strategy Group for Media is
truly batshit insane, and by a remarkable coincidence, Tricia McLaughlin,
who is her who is nomes Comms director, is married
to Ben Yoho, who runs what the Strategy Group for Media? Wait, huh,

(16:58):
how did that happen?

Speaker 2 (16:59):
It's amert, It's amazing. I also just think that Christy
Nome is a like, you know, when you think about
this administration, you think about like, one of the things
I think we learned in twenty twenty five was that
this is not going to be forever. Trump is going
to lose, he's going to lose the House, he's going

(17:21):
to lose his Senate. He's not going to be president
for the rest of our lives. This is not how
this is going to go down at all. In fact,
this is going there's going to be truth and reconciliation.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
There's going to be Oh, yes, there will be.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
There's the lies. People are going to go to jail.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Or let me say something, huge file. I will bet
you a dollar right now that Greg Bavino, the guy
who runs all these ice operations around the country, the
guy who shows up in the big Hugo boss, you know,
Nazi style greatcoat. I will bet you a dollar that
guy goes to prison. He will be the Patsy and
Christy Nome and Steven Miller will go. He just misinterpreted
our orders. We were trying to stay within the and

(17:59):
it just it got out of hand.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
What about Tom Holman.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Oh, Tom Holman's going to jail.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Cash in the bag, Cash in the bag.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Tomsh Yeah, bag cave.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Bag, cave bag time.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I think Pam Bondi's going to jail. I think Tom
Blanks is going to jail. And I say this because
I think there's an increasing understanding among the Democrats who
are not the quickest on the uptake about the use
of power in this country. They are real act Yeah
you do. I think even now they're realizing if we
don't hold some people to account for the criminality of

(18:33):
the things that are going on right now. It will
allow a cohort of these people to survive out there
like a like a virus that's.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Dormant more and come back and come back and do
it again like JD. Vance, Like JD the President in
twenty twenty. Hat just kidding. You know, guy's never going
to be president.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
The thing I love about Jadie Vance is the groyper demo.
That is a very powerful demo inside the GOP. Now
he is married to a foreigner in their mind, and
she is an alien and a brown person, and therefore
they awade the nuptials of Erika Kirk and.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Jadie Rick Wilson. Will you come back?

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Of course I will