Stuart Stevens

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everyone, I got Stuart Stevens here. You know him,
you love him. A co founder of the Lincoln Project,
former Republicans strategist, a man who spent his life, really
his adult life, helping Republicans. He thought, hey, you know,
I'm doing something good for the country. And then during
the rise of Trump, had a come to I guess

(00:20):
to Jesus moment, come to America moment and realized, you know,
it was all a lie. And that's the name of
his fantastic book on one of the books, one of
my favorite books by for lack of a better word,
former Republican, never Trump Republicans, because I really appreciate the
candor and the honesty, and I felt like in your
book it was all a lie. There was a true
moment of reckoning, right like, oh, this is the party

(00:42):
I supported. These people are terrible. These people are racist.
The white supremacy is behind it, greed, and you don't
hide it. And since then, Stuart, for the past several years,
has spent his time and I think, if I'm wrong
in this, trying to raise his Republican party to the
ground and create some thing better for the rest of
us and our children. And with this particular framing, I

(01:06):
called it rejecting vshi Democrats and maga Nazis. And you
might think, Watts, that's a little too much. On the no,
that's too you're being unfair. I don't think I'm being
unfair based on what we saw last night. Let's start
with the Democrats, because I always try to be fair
on this show. Stewart, your take on the eight Democrats,
rather seven Democrats and an angus King who decided to

(01:29):
go against the majority of their Democratic colleagues, go against
the majority of Democratic voters, go against what seems like
the wave that brought power to Democrats last week, and say,
you know what, we trust these Republicans and they're in shahlah.
Let's go ahead in cave your take. Look, I think,

(01:50):
but first, thanks thanks for.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Asking me. Man. I'm a huge fan of yours. I
think that and we do have to divide between good
intentions mistakenly directed and evil intentions. And I think that
the intent I take them at their word that they
really do feel. I think I guess King is a

(02:15):
good man. I mean that they really do feel that
the pain that people are feeling. I think their motivation
is good, so is Neville Chamberlain's and you know, he
really was trying to save millions of lives. You know,
he saw fifty thousand British dead the first day of

(02:36):
the soum as opposed to what I think is on
the Republican agenda, which I think is evil. I don't
know any other word to describe someone like Stephen Miller
or describe this process that Trump is going through, pardoning
these January sixth deniers or election deniers of January sixth geoment.
So look, I think that is important because I think

(02:58):
that the Democratic Party, to me, has this tendency of
questioning and self doubt that I don't I don't really understand.
If I were in a Democratic Party, I would say, look,
we're right, they're wrong, chant it every day. But look

(03:21):
on the positive side, I will say this, And this
is something I used to always sort of frame, try
to frame things with clients. What is going to matter
in two months? And I think what happened last Tuesday
is more than important than what happened last night, because
I you know, I've always felt that the twenty twenty
four election was mistakenly interpreted. If you say it's a

(03:42):
realignment election. It was an election in which a challenger
was heavily favored to win a right track of twenty
seven percent in the country. No in comment parties, every
one it was under forty five. You had to approval
ready for a president forty No incoming parties ever got
more than two points higher. So they new Project twenty
twenty five was poison. Now that people are being forced

(04:03):
to drink it, it's only gotten more bitter. So I
thought the reversion to the norm is really what happened
on Tuesday. So you have the African American Republican nominee
for governor getting seven percent of the African American vote.
That's exactly the same percent that Barry Goldwater got in
nineteen sixty four. You saw dropping the thirty two percent

(04:27):
with Hispanics in Virginia. You know that has sort of
been the norm for Republicans. With Bush World, we got
up the forty three d but then with McCain, they
dropped the thirty two and it wasn't let McCain was
out there talking about deporting a lot of people and
calling him rapists. So I got up to think seventy
percent with Asians. So look, I think that that is, well,

(04:48):
we know it's the future of the country because the
country's were coming in a minority majority country and all
the Stephen Millers in the world aren't going to change that.
So I think that the inclusiveness of the Democratic Party.
I think he had, you know, a Mandamie women and
you had a governor's in New Jersey and Virginia winning

(05:09):
of a very different sort of tone. I think that's
a very very positive sign for the party. Okay, so
let's work backward. Let's start from last week and get
to this week. And I'm glad we're talking because you
are more generous than me, and you remind me of
conversation I had with a friend of mine on WhatsApp yesterday.
We're in a group, and you know, he knows some

(05:31):
of these guys. He knows Tim Kaine, He's been very
active in politics, and the majority of our WhatsApp group
had the type of righteous rage and he is like,
he was, like you, Stuart.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
He goes, listen, let's see how this plays out.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
People are pissed, but I know the intention wasn't bad.
But sometimes, as you know, the road to Hell or
World War two or the rise of Nazis is paid
with the best of intentions and with the men who
should have been fighters but decided to be complicit. We'll
get to that. Let's take it back. Let's take the
delirium back last week, right, we had historic wins, like

(06:07):
you said, we had Zoron Mamdani, the Democrats, the establishment,
the right wing, the billionaires through everything, and a Bill
Clinton and a kitchen sink at Zoron who was a
distant number two Stuart when I interviewed them in the spring.
He stayed on message. The core message was affordability for all.

(06:27):
Didn't throw immigrants around the bus, didn't throw brown people
under the bus, didn't throw black people uner the bus,
didn't throw trage under people in the bus. Was critical
of Israel at a time when the establishment said, how
dare you? He had to apologize for slogans he had
never used. Nonetheless, stood by on his principles, was firm.
Young Jews voted for him, not despite of his views

(06:49):
on Gaza, but due to it. He ends up getting
this multicultural coalition wins my nearly double digit points. Let's
focus on that race first. Your take, your takeaway from
what that race showed you look, I thought.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
The Democratic Party was crazy to try to stay away
from him and any of those that did he won
the Democratic nomination. Okay, you endorsed the Democratic candidate like that.
I you know, I have a positive expectations from Ndarmie.
I happened to be with him the night after the
he won the primary. I ran into it kind of

(07:25):
in the green room over at NBC. Now, in my experience,
the night after you win a big upset victory, it's
you know, you're usually in a pretty good mood and
you're at your best. But I thought I was really
struck by how charismatic he was. He was funny, he
was a big guy, which is I didn't realize, and
he had a he had a certain factor. And you

(07:47):
know what I think about him is, you know, he
say what you will about Bernie Sanders. He's a guy
who doesn't care if he's liked or not. And I've
known Bernie here in Vermont, you know, since I was
at Middlebury College and he was running for mayor Mandominie.
I think wants to be liked, and I think that
that is a positive characteristic of his that will serve

(08:09):
him well. I think if he goes and does stuff
that proves to be very unpopular. He's not going to
be ideologically pure about it and say well I was right.
You people are just wrong, and they're going to come
around to it. I think he'll adjust. I think this
is a young guy who wants to have a big future,
who cares about it. So look, just think about it.

(08:30):
Republican Party is going in saying over god, that's talking
about maybe five city owned grocery stores, while the Republican
Party is nationalizing Intel.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
And then Trump last week to a what company was
a Denmark company, is like, should we, like, can we
have a control of Navtel?

Speaker 1 (08:51):
And and I think that's what caused the guy to
pass out. He's like, sir, we're a foreign company. Uh yeah,
So I mean the projection of it all right, because
they're freaking out, And you know what I like about.
Mamdani goes, well, if billionaires could sit there and just
dream about oh, I don't know, eugenics and techno fascism
and terror forming Mars and making Trump into a trillion

(09:12):
air why can't we dream about free buses and why
can't we try it out?

Speaker 2 (09:16):
And if it works great?

Speaker 1 (09:17):
If it nothing will do something else, and I feel
like the message of affordability and going against the rologarchy.
To me, the fact that he won by nearly double
digit points, the fact that the entirety of the establishment
went after him and people said nap, the fact that
two million people came out shows Stewart, you know the
pulse of the nation. Nation changes. I'm a bit old enough.

(09:39):
I'm forty five. I've seen the nation change and you
have to read the nation, meet them where they are.
There's a righteous rage. There's a restlessness that I think
the Democratic Party. Let's stick with the Democrats for a second.
The leadership. The leadership hasn't acknowledged and I think, you know,
to give Donald Trump credit, which I hate doing. This
has been around for ten years now. Stewart like, Donald

(10:00):
Trump won because he promised it was all bullshit, but
he promised to be an outsider. He's the consummate insider.
Again bullshit, but he said, I'm an outsider. I'm not
like these politicians. I'm not on DC and that's why
you should vote for me, because I don't suck up
to these people. I'm going to drain the swamp. And
I remember the people who voted for him said yeah,

(10:21):
he's going to bulldoze these corrupt institutions, and even use
those words, I'm going to be a bulldozer, and people
said okay. And the people who voted for Donald Trump
were also supporting Bernie Sanders for that exact reason. I'm
an outsider who's promising something different. This has been the
story for ten years. To me, Stewart a type of
anti establishment, anti institution, outsider wing that comes in and

(10:43):
cleans up shot. And then you see the type of
political malpractice, in my opinion, from democratic leadership. Your guy
is ascendant, your guy's tapped into something. I haven't seen
Democrats this excited since AOC and Obama, and you will
then throw everything for a disgrace, a led sex predator,
Cuomo and even now Stuart, when sure Tumor was asked

(11:05):
do you endorse Mamdani, he still said no. As a
person who will diagnose political malpractice, where do you rank
this on?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
I would bet you a lot of money if when
the Mandamie campaign was polling every night at the last
couple of weeks of the campaign, you know they were
behind behind, I would bet anything the day they went
ahead in the primary. Is the day that Bill Clinton
endorsed Cuomo, it was like Torontosaurus rex endorsing a pterodactyl.

(11:34):
I mean either too dinosaurs. I mean, people looked at
that combination. It just like wanted to throw up. You know,
one of the things I like about when Dombie is
a lot of people thought that Cromo couldn't beaten until
they didn't run, which curiously is what happened with Bill Clinton.
And you know, you go back to nineteen ninety one,

(11:56):
when Voice had favorabilities up in the high ninety eighties,
you know, almost ninety percent favorability. A lot of Democrats
said they weren't going to run. Bill Clinton said well,
I'm gonna run and ended up winning. And I think
the same thing happened about Madommian. And I like that
because it shows somebody that's running because they want to win,
not because they're afraid of anybody, not because they're gaming

(12:18):
the system, the timing, and you're not afraid of losing.
And I think, you know that's a really those are
admirable qualities in life and in politicians. So look, you
know the other thing, I just think you have to
look at the totality of Tuesday also so you also
had winning in a New Jersey and in Virginia. And look,

(12:38):
I work for Chris Christie when you got to let
the governor of New Jersey twice, right, New Jersey is
a pretty conservative state. I mean this, there's a lot
of very very blue collar sort of voters that you
need to connect with. And it wasn't just that she

(13:00):
she won in a route and she wasn't running against
the nutbag who didn't have any money. I mean, I
was a serious campaign, somebody who you know, not a
not a crazy person, and she won in a route.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
So you know, double folks, twelve points, and I remember
that's a lot of people two days before the election,
you know, when it comes to the media framing, it
was like, oh, it's a tight race. Black voters are
gonna have abandoned Cheryl. She won black voters by nine percent,
ninety literally to nine, not ninety nine ninety two nine.

(13:36):
She won a multicultural coalition, and she wanted to buy
twelve points when it's in I'm in Virginia, Stewart and
we haven't talked, uh for a month or so, I think.
But I was telling folks, because you know, you know,
when you're on the ground, and you know a community,
you know the pulse, you follow the polls, but you know.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Nothing like it yet.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, and so that's why I remember when it was
mccaulluff versus Youngkin I told everyone, all my friends, Youngkin'
is gonna pulled through by two points, and they said no, no, no,
mcauff stuffs by two. I'm like, you're misreading it. Suburban voters,
this parents' choice, the DEI stuff, it's spooked him out.
They're not minting it. He ends up winning by two points, right,
And Democrats didn't have a counter response to it, which
I thought was political malpractice by mcculluiff this time around

(14:17):
because of the government shutdown, and you know in the
DMV area, Stewart, you know, I'm sure you all have
read the headlines. I mean, people are in pain. I
have friends who are in pain, like they're like, and
they all blame Republicans in addition to the rising costs.
J Jones, I give this example of why, I think,
to your point, why this was such a big win
and shows you where the energy is in the country.

(14:39):
The attorney general, the lieutenant the Attorney general race, which
people might not be falling right. I've said this before.
Just stick with me, folks. J Jones was behind Mirus
by two to three points. Mirs is a Republican trumper.
J Jones fed up. They found like a text that
he had sent when he was a state legislator, like,
you know, figuratively just threatening violence. Saw bullshit compared to

(14:59):
the violence insurrection. Nonetheless, Republicans pounced on it, ad after
ad after ad. Jay Jones, do you want this man
who wishes violence? Is an ugly text? Right, So I'm like,
everyone's like, oh, he won't win. Then the government shutdown happened,
and for the past month, Steve Stewart I was like,
he's gonna pull it off. He's gonna win by one
or two points, and like this is going to be

(15:21):
a trifecta. And now you saw Virginia. They got the trifecta,
the governorship, lieutenant general, attorney general, sixty four houses, right
seats in the House. And then in like the whole
you saw the map where everything leaned blue. And then
you saw this multicultural coalition that came out to me.
Had Democrats run anyone, I feel like New Jersey or

(15:44):
even a Virginia, I feel like the sentiment to me
was a widespread rejection of Donald Trump Republicans and their
economic policies. I mean, they lost the entirety of their
He lost, Donald Trump lost all the Latinos had it
went back to twenty sixteen. Yeah, and to me, and

(16:04):
then I want to ask you this question. But then
I was looking at the crosstabs and folks. I was like,
come on, white folks, come on, white folks. For Mamdani,
for Mickey Cheryl, and for the Virginia races. The double
digit wins were thanks to the cobbling of the multicultural coalition.

(16:24):
Like you said, the Latinos, the Asians, black voters in
all those three races, a majority of white people still
didn't go for them.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Stewart, Well, look, you know I used the Doug Jones
race when he got elected, you know, senator for the
first Democrat elected forever in Alabama as sort of like
it's almost like a setup of setting a lab joke.
What would it take to get white moderator conservatives to

(16:54):
vote for a Democrat? But what if he was running
against the child molester? And it was like nope, they
still got sixty seven percent of of Alabama white voters
voting for the day. But look, you know, don't I
think what you're saying here is really important. We don't
talk enough about it, and that is race. We don't
talk enough about race in America politics. I don't understand

(17:17):
why race is the key in which American politics has
played and what is driving the panic in the Republican
Party is the fact that the country is becoming a
minority majority country. They know that, and the party had
two possible paths. One to say, we have failed at

(17:37):
appealing to these voters. We need to change, We need
to find out whatever it is that we're not doing
right and grow in that direction, which I will say
this is something that George Bush and Compassionate Conservatism was
at least an attempt to do. Though with nine to eleven,
that whole agenda never really got developed. But remember in
two thousand and five, the chairman of the party, Ken Melman,

(18:01):
went before the NAACP and apologized for the Southern strategy. So,
I mean, I think that acknowledging that, like you're talking about,
you know myself. I think at the first step to
it's like, Okay, we were wrong, we shouldn't have done this,
and then does it make a difference. I think it
does so, but the party went in the other direction
and decided to narrow its race. So since to go

(18:23):
to the title of a little episode. Here, you're sitting
around in jd Vance's office. You're a staffer forum. Some
youngish people not kids, who are elected officials and Republican
operatives have a like pro Nazi little LoveFest going on
here on text and jadvanced the friest presi of the
United States because you know, I'm going to defend that. Yeah,

(18:46):
you know, what do you say to them? Like, look,
Boss's I don't think defending the Nazis is super But
why did he do it? Because the Republican Party has
really become an extremist movement, and what don't we know
about extremist movements? Purity tests are increased important and you
have to demand more transgressive behavior just to get attention.

(19:10):
So no, Jeddie Vans is sitting there, no enemies to
my right, it means I defend nazis not a problem.
I'll be your guy. And I think it just shows
the complete moral bankruptcy of the party, and that is
not where the country is. I mean, I don't care.
If you're running for a supervisor in the reddest county
in Mississippi, you don't go out there and defend Nazis.

(19:34):
It's like not a good thing. It's just like a
you know, there's not a constituency for that except this
crazy little world inside the Republican Party. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
And when I said, you know, the framing is no
t V shee Democrats and maga Nazis, I wasn't being
tongue in cheek, folks. Stuart's right, And I know there's
lots of people forget. But just a couple of weeks ago,
Oh Jen's joined Hi Jen, fantastic whistleblower on ICE. We've
had her on her show twice before. I'm gonna invite
you next week. But you know, people speaking about ice.

(20:04):
People didn't vote for children being zip tide. People didn't
vote for seventy nine year old white men shopkeepers being
thrown to the ground. People didn't vote for priests and
callers being tear gassed in the face. People didn't vote
for their communities being terrorized with master armed agents who
walk around like the Gestapo, and speaking about Nazis without hyperbole.

(20:26):
What Stuart was referring to was the political article that
came out last month that had twenty nine hundred telegram
twenty nine hundred pages of telegram texts between young Republican
leaders in their thirties and late twenties, including legislators, These
kids that JD. Evans talked about saying things like the following,
I love Hitler. Rape is epic fourteen eighty eight, which

(20:50):
is Folks, fourteen eighty eight is used by white supremacist
It's their slogan, you know, imagining torture, violence against the
rest of us, throwing us in the gas chamber. The
other reason why Jay Jones was helped and beat Miaris
even though he's behind by two or three points, is
people are like I just saw Republicans spend a month

(21:10):
doing ads condemning Jay Jones for the stupid, violent text
that he did as a state legislator. But then the
Vice president is perfectly fine with young Republican leaders throwing
the rest of us in gas chambers. Okay, I think
being pro Nazi is worse. And then now Stewart, I
wanted to ask you this because you spend your life
in the Republican Party. I predicted this. I hate predicting this,

(21:34):
I said that Nick Fuentes would be the present and
future of the GOP what he represents, and I keep
the receipts. And I remember two and a half years
ago Donald Trump dined with Nick Fuentes and post anti
Semitic Kanye West. I've been asking for two and a
half years for reporters to ask Donald Trump, do you
condemn Nick Fuentes. I think he was asked once. He

(21:57):
said Nick, huh who? I didn't know who that was,
just like he did with CZ who he pardoned, huh
CZ my business partner, huh money laundry what?

Speaker 2 (22:06):
I don't know?

Speaker 1 (22:07):
And then Marjorie Taylor Green has supported Nick Funtz and
now you see Tucker Carlson supporting Nick Fuentes. Talk to
us about the Nick Fuentes civil war that is ignited
with the conservative movement. Kevin Roberts in the Heritage Foundation.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, look, you know, I think this is really interesting.
The Heritage Foundation has been corrupt for a long time,
and the dirty little secret inside the Republican Party that
I was part of, we really didn't care what the
Heritage Foundation was saying. It was not some great engine
of ideas. It was really a fundraising mechanism that hired
a bunch of people who paid themselves a lot of money.

(22:44):
But we didn't really pay attention to it. But you
look at where the party chose to go, it's only
going to accelerate that route. So you you know, I
go back to this. I think in the post World
War two World Republican Party had took two paths. One
was Dwight Eisenhauer conservative, boring, governing say and Joe McCarthy conspiratorial, racist, xenophobic,

(23:13):
non governing right. A lot of us who worked for Bush,
I mean, like me and Nicole Wallace, Matthew Dowd, Mark McKinnon,
Pete wayneer we Stall sit in the same office. I
think it's fair to say that we thought our side
was the dominant jean in the party, and that the party,
if only because the country was changing so much, would

(23:34):
have to go more in our direction. And I don't
know any honest conclusion, And this is really what I
had to grips with after Trump won, is we were wrong.
We were the recessive gene. The party is what it
wants to be. Nobody makes anybody vote for Donald Trump.
That's just what they want, and the degree to which
the party has been compromised by Russia is a great

(23:57):
underreported story. I mean, the Russians elected Donald Trump, but
helped elect Donald Trumps. Causality is always difficult in politics,
but there's no question, asked Marco Rubio Center Intelligence Committee,
they wanted to elect Donald Trump. And what did they get? Well,
unimaginable what they got. And now you have all these
Republican senators on an issue like Ukraine, they're afraid to

(24:17):
take Donald Trump owned. And you saw that across the board,
and it's just this sort of moral collapse of a party.
So you know, they talk about with this this split,
and real conservative Republicans don't agree with the hair of Sunday.
I don't really know where these people are, the armies people.

(24:41):
I don't hear a lot of Republican senators attacking the
Heritage Foundation. And I think silence is complicity, So I
don't know. I mean, this is a party that doesn't
have a room for Cheney, a Cheney.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
On Lynz Cheney, a Dick Cheney, a Mitt Romney, a
John mccannon. And you and me are old enough Stewart
that we remember in twenty twelve The flag bearer for
the party who ran for president as republic was Mitt
Romney in two thousand and eight. The person ran with
John McCain, I have a dark joke that you can
use that I think his works is that if George W.
Bush ran as a Republican, Mago would reject him for

(25:19):
being a Muslim lover. Because if you remember Georgia, that's
the truth. That's the truth. That's not a joke, it's
a truth statement. Go back and read George.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Bush's acceptance space at the two thousand convention, which was
written by Michael Gerson, who became a Washington Post columnist.
Said they died about two years ago, an evangelical Christian.
And when we were all living in Austin in ninety
nine and two thousand, we were all going out to
clubs at night, drinking and raising hill Gershon was working
quietly in a homeless shelter, never told anybody. Only found

(25:52):
this out because I had the dragon him have to
rewrite something. I found him working at the homeless shelter.
I mean, that is a truly good person. He wrote
that speech. Go read that speech. It's like an artifact
from a last civilization. It's all about humility, service, compassion.
That guy couldn't get fired for sent in the Republican Party. Now, No,

(26:12):
absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
And folks, it wasn't that long ago. And I'll share
a story. Clearly not a fan of Georgia BI Bush,
the war on term Mitt Romney. I want people to
realize that, you know, because I'm sure people are like, wa,
why are you normalizing it? But I'm telling you compare
and contrast. That was a party that, despite its policies,
still preached a compassionate conservatism, was pro immigration. I believe

(26:37):
it was the Bush Foundation that released their own data
that said, actually, immigrants are good for the economy. Mitt
Romney being Mormon when it came to religious persecution, he
didn't ran on the manufactured, hateful anti Sharia bullshit because
he recognized it, because like, oh, they're going to do
this to Morments, right, So there was some level, just
some level of decency there that like, we won't go

(26:58):
come on, let's not go that far. And I remember
a Stewart in twenty eleven, I did fear incorporated the
roots of the Islamophobia Network and investigate a report for
a CAP which talked about the creation of these horrific
islamophobic memes that you just saw in the last two
weeks against mamnani right that was used against Obama.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
And then the.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
People who proliferated it were, if you will, the original
MAGA types, these freaks, these these these are these nuts
that yes, they were allowed on right wing media and
they proliferated on social media. But the if you will,
the respectable conservatives once that report came out, Stuart Uh,
they met me. I'm talking about Republicans who were working

(27:38):
in the government, you know, died in the world. Conservatives,
you know, like you said, some evangelicals were like, man,
we got to change. Because there was also an audit.
If I remember that the Republican Party said we have
to become a multi racial and be prog Romney.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
After Romney lost, we lost by the way it the
party did go through this so called autopsy seeing itself,
why is it that we keep losing now? The conclusions
were not profound. They were obvious that you had to
have appealed to more non white voters, You had to
peal to more younger voters. You had to appeal to
more women, particularly women that worked outside the home, particularly

(28:14):
younger women. It's good to say this stuff. But what's
interesting about this is if you go back and read this,
it was presented not only as a political necessity, but
a moral mandate that if you're going to earn the
right to govern this big change in cacophonist, contradictory, loud country,

(28:36):
you need to be more like it. And then Trump
came along and everybody said, great, this is what we're
gonna do. And Trump came along, and I swear to God, man,
you could hear an audible sigh of relief in the
Republican Party, like, thank fucking God, we only can win.
We can go back to Windy with white people. We
don't have to pretend we really care about this shit, and.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
We could go all in now, we could go full
white remses them. And you know, the what I was
saying is at that time, folks believe it or not.
Twenty twelve, twenty eleven, I was told I was working
with that died in the world conservatives who were like,
watch this report is very important.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
This is what they told me. Thank you for writing
this report.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Even though it exposes some of these Republican officials, elected officials,
the type of airing of dirty laundry shames us, and
now we can vomit out these extremists from the party.
That was the goal. Around twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. Okay,
so I remember Stewart that you know Seapack. There was
a Seapack conference and these people that we outed, these

(29:38):
original magafreaks, right, the pre maga freaks, the extremists to
hate mongers, they weren't invited by Seapack, and so Steve
Bannon in twenty fourteen did a parallel event called the
Disinvited Elevator Freaks. Pam Geller, I think Daniel Pipes, a
few Steve Emerson, and Steve Bannon said I'm I'm going

(30:00):
to do a side panel called the Disinvited, and I'm
going to elevate these freaks that got rejected by Seapack folks.
Fast forward eleven years. Those people now have infected the
Republican Party. They took over, and now I see the
next generation. Steward. I want to ask you this because
I've been paying attention to me because it's been ten years.
People forget ten years is a long time. That means

(30:21):
there's an entire generation that has been radicalized and groomed
by Trump and Trump's cruelty. And now what I'm seeing
is that Trump and the people in Trump's orbit are
seen as the rhinos for this next generation.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, it's you know, which is what always happens in
extremist movement. You know that the previous generation can never
be an iteration, can always be trumped by an eclipse
by a more radical group. You know, this is how
it starts. You know, it's true in the Red Guard,

(30:57):
and there's never a moderating force within that that ends it.
It wasn't the moderate element of the Khmara Rouge that
ended the Khmara Rouge. And it's just a pattern that
repeats itself. And look, this is you know Joe Trippy,
who's I think the best gen one of certainly the
best democratic consultants of his generation, a guy I hated

(31:20):
to go against because he was so got them good.
But you know, when we used to do campaigns against
each other, we look back at it and laugh about
what we were doing attack ads about. It was about
the capital gains tax, like, well, one person wants it
at thirty two percent, and one person want we wanted
a twenty eight percent. And you know it was like it,
those are quaint issues compared to what is happening now,

(31:44):
and there is no party called Republicans that really is
a pro democracy party now, And we just have to
admit that you have to beat these people because pain
is the only teacher in politics. And if you have
enough people who will start to lose and realize they

(32:05):
are losing and they can't lose. A Trump is a
middle change. But you know, it's a threscial level of
acceptance of advancement in the Republican Party to deny what
a fifth grader knows, and that is who won the
twenty election. And when you demand that level of humiliation,
familiation and subservience. You know, I wrote a piece about this,

(32:30):
and I'm something I've thought about a lot. How is
it that we ended up like this in the Republican Party?
And I think it's something we did over decades that
we devised a system that rewarded compliance, rewarded going along,
that rewarded waiting your turn, that if you were a

(32:51):
true outsider, you were punished, you couldn't really advance. So
you do that, you know, decade after decade, what happens
you kind of end up with the experiment of a
group of politicians who've risen to the top, who are
really compliant. So, you know, I think about getting elected
to the Senate, is it real? Is it pain in

(33:12):
the ass? I mean, you have to go to all
humiliating stuff, you have to raise all this money. You know,
it's talk to all these people you don't want to
talk to. So you finally get elected to the United
States Senator as a Republican to do what whatever Donald
Trump tells you. Really, that was worth all the bullshit,
you know, all the early morning, late night, it's all
the humiliating phone calls, begging for money to see whatever

(33:32):
Donald Trump wants. And I just find it just so
so disparity. And I as critical as you are the Democrats,
I am more critical of these Republicans because they are
the heirs to the greatest generation and they have abandoned
that legacy.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
And I think it's just utterly shameful and not only
a bandon that legacy. Look how they're behaving and that
if you just step back and look at the corruption
of the Republican Party, look at Ted Cruz, jd Vance,
Mike Lee, all super Christians apparently, Look how they spend
most of their time steward, essentially being trolls online. The
victories are measured by how they ship post against us.

(34:11):
I mean, look at JD.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Vans.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
I don't know if you saw this, but and you
probably did because you're a massacus like me, and you
follow these freak shows.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
JD.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Vans on Halloween. You know did the meme, man, you know,
he did the meme. And as a result of him
doing the meme and behaving like the punchline, you know
how South Park made fun of him. All of these Republicans.
And I'm not just talking about like Republican trolls or
Nazi bots or Russian bots. I'm talking about like actual
like elected officials, like JD. Vance is the man, He's

(34:39):
the king. This is awesome. I'm like, really, this is
what we expect from our vice president. This is what
makes us awesome. As there's frigging lines around food banks,
as people can afford meat, as people are terrified about
their flat wage, as people are wondering why Elon Musk
might be a trillionaire, as people are wondering about like
the healthcare premiums going up, this is It's a party

(35:00):
of four Chan trolls. It's a party of like shit
talkers and accelerations.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
You know, I don't understand something very basic here, and
that is, how is it that we have this lunatic
as president who's appointing these Russian stooges, drunks, conspiracy nuts
quacks across the government and we're having a national discussion
about what's wrong with the Democratic Party, Like, how did
this happen? How did the media allowed us to happen?

(35:29):
You lost an election, Okay, that happens. Actually in a democracy,
somebody does have to lose. It's not a bad thing.
You lost an election. And because you lost it doesn't
mean you were wrong. I mean, I grew up in
you know, deepest Mississippi seventh generations. My parents were against segregation.
I don't remember them, and a lot of people ran
a segregationistone warrant. I don't remember them sitting around the

(35:50):
kitchen table and going, well, maybe we should rethink segregation.
It was like, no, we lost with try to win
next time. And there's something that's sort of questioning about
the Democratic Party that is just it's just hoping to
get beyond that, because you know, people are drawn to

(36:12):
swagger people are wont drawn the confidence and nobody wins
the Super Bowl, like walking out there and going, now,
I think we got a shot. I don't know, probably not,
maybe we could. You know, it's like, no, this is ours,
we deserve this, We're going to take it. And that's
what Democrats need to do. Nothing that I could be,
who am how to tell democrats what to do? But
it's you know, I think that they are the majority

(36:35):
of the country, this country, and that is what you
saw on this last election. You know, this country does
not want mask men hunting brown people across the country.
This is not what we want, and it's it's sick.
And you know, one thing that really strikes me, all

(36:57):
of these people are deeply, deeply damaged people. That's right,
Jimmy Vance, Yeah, Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon, these are all
just weird, those freaks, horrible people. And you can look
at somebody like Jady basically, well you had just you know,
unfortunate background. Out of that, well, we know a lot

(37:17):
of people that unfortunate backgrounds. They didn't become monsters and
overcame it. And there's there there there's a lot of
acting out personal pathology in the public sphere. Absolutely, that's
that's that's just a sick way to go about governing.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
And you know, I've noticed this for a while. It's
it's these unchecked pathologies, the daddy issues, the mommy issues,
not all of them, but it goes Elon Musk daddy issues,
Peter Tiel apparent issues, Joe Rogan daddy issues, Tony Hinchcliffe
daddy issues, Donald Trump daddy issues. Steven Miller I think
got rejected by a Latina and then decided to become

(37:58):
a white nationalist. Pete Hegseth. I mean, just just a
manic f up. I'm sure you know a lot more
than I do. Clearly, these are you know that that
famous saying that now gen Z says all the time,
if only men would get therapy. Yeah, they're playing out
their pathologies, their grievances, their rage in real time with
power and politics that terrorize the rest of us. And

(38:21):
this is where I get to shit on the Democrats,
Stewart uh is. With this righteous rage, You're seeing a
righteous rage build up in the country. People are sick
and tired of the status quo. What do they want fighters?
They just want fighter, Give me a sincere authentic person
who will fight. And I'm glad you use this sports analogy.
You and I watched sports. You saw your giants literally

(38:42):
squander away yet another victory, and today, yeah, sorry New
York Giants fans. I was like, oh, they got this,
And then I got a message from Stuart like, oh,
of course they afted up. Of course my niners at
least are injured, so I knew they were gonna get
s shell ACKed. Right, but let's give sports analogy. My
niners completely injured, Just go and fight. You know, I

(39:04):
know you're gonna get your ass kicked by the rams.
I just want you to fight. Just fight, damn it, right,
show fight until the end, even if you're down two touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Just fight.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
That's what people respect. So they want fighters. They want
fighters willing to stand up against this extremely unpopular, racist,
criminal regime which now has an approval I wouldn't be surprised,
Steward if this approval rating dips down to thirty five.
He's at thirty seven right now. It's only been a year, folks,
to have an approval rating of thirty seven in your

(39:33):
honeymoon year, just it's an abomination, right, Have some courage,
have some guts. Don't throw the base under the bus. Right,
going back to your point, you only lost by one
point four points. There was no mandate. Donald Trump's never
crossed fifty and all the Latino voters gone because he overreached.
Asian voter's gone, young voter's gone. Right, So what Gavin

(39:55):
Newsom did originally this Originally he proceeds, let me do
a podcast. I'm gonna invite Steve Bannon, and I'm gonna
invite Charlie Cirk.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I'm gonna agree with him.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Right, that's what he did, folks. Let me find the
young Joe Rogan and spend twenty million dollars. Oh, the
universe gave us mom Donnie. Let's kick him in the
balls and support Cuomo instead. Right, And so what happened yesterday?
And I think, just to show you from a democratic
point of view or progressive point you why people are
so pissed. Is you fought for forty days. You know,

(40:28):
Donald Trump is back in the corner. You see Marjorie
Taylor Green singing a different tune because she sees where
the wind is blowing. She's blaming Mike Johnson, shredding down
the government. Right, you see the approval readings coming down.
You see Jay Jones beating me artists, you see a
double digit victory, and you have him on the ropes.
Even Donald Trump is fuming. You want to get a
guarantee that the Obama subsidies will be extended. That's the

(40:50):
reason why you've done this. Okay, get something in writing.
And these eight Democrats, maybe they have the best intentions,
but as we know, sometimes the road to hell and
punching yourself on the face is paved with best intentions.
They went against the party, they went against the base,
and they caved. And now Republicans are like, yeah, inshallah,
we'll vote on it. And I want to read you

(41:12):
this from the centrist, alleged centrist governor elect, Mickey Cheryl.
This was her quote, Steward, just to show you where
I think the Democrats are. I think she sees the
tea leaves. Also quote, I read for office to deliver
for New Jerseyans, even in the face of Washington leadership
that keeps failing people. And last week we won with
the Broad Coalition after laying out a plan that takes

(41:33):
bold action on costs, despite political pressure and people saying
it couldn't be done. Voters made it clear the American
people want leadership with a backbook, and at a critical
moment when they need leaders to stay strong under pressure,
the Senate is on the brink of caving on a
bill that the American people can't afford.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
They caved. Quote.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Make no mistake. If this deal passes, it will lead
to New Jerseyans paying far more for their health care
when they already are paying more and more for everything.
Making this deal is malpractice. We have more than nine
million people in New Jersey were counting on us to
fight for them, and instead Washington is putting them in
hard's weight, Harm's weight, not my watch.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
End quote Stuart, your response, listen, God lover her. I mean,
you know, we used to say in politics, there's nothing
in the middle of the road except yellow lawns and
dead armadillas. And you know that. You you in politics,
you have to be willing to dig the ditch you're
going to die in. You have to say, look, this
is right, and I'm for it. And if it means

(42:31):
we're gonna lose, We're gonna lose. But I think we're
gonna win. And people are drawing the conviction. I mean,
I look at these AOC Bernie rallies they were having,
and you know, there are a lot of people there
that don't agree with them on everything, but it's just
the idea that they're fighting. That's right. It goes back
to you don't want to. Bill Clinton's maximum is strong
and wrong will always beat weak and right. And he

(42:53):
got it and it's true. And you know this idea
that the Democratic Party went and held two hundred plus
focus groups with young men. You know, you don't go
to a focus group to remind you of your deeply
held beliefs. I mean, it's like commissioning focus groups. Why
do men go to strip clubs?

Speaker 1 (43:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I think we know guys. You know, I don't think
we need to really think too MRT about this. I'm
Beyonce Stewart. Yes, it's the it's the buffet. Uh. You know,
I saw the sopranos. They love the food at the
bottom being you know, man, look, I think you just

(43:34):
have to have to be out there. I mean, I
admire the hell out of you and these others for
holding you know, the party accountable, which is something Republicans
we never did, and demand more.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
But you know, I love that quote, the quote strong
and wrong beats weak and right. It's it's unfortunate. But
Clinton was spot on, and the polls show Stewart, I'm
sure you've read this that the American people view Democrats
as weak and deer in headlights when they're asked to compare,
and they said Democrats are like deer in headlights and

(44:12):
Republicans are like ravenous lines. They take what they want.
And it's not like they like the Republicans, but they say,
you know what Republicans get power, they flaunt it, they
flux it. And what we're seeing right now is that
DNC has the lowest favorability rating since nineteen ninety four.
People literally perceive them as weak, as not fighting, and

(44:32):
strong and wrong beats weak and right. There's a reason
why Donald Trump, as a strong man, is able to
win over men. At least you'll get it done. At
least he cares. You know, there's something about it. I
know it sucks, but folks appeals to human nature. A leader.
You want them to be strong. I'll get it done.
I don't give a shit. And you're like, oh, he's onothical.
But compared to this week, this completely weak flaccid man

(44:54):
who has no spine. I guess I'll go for the
strong guy who'll just you know, kick down some doors
and hopefully the door won't fall down on me. And
that type of strength is something that I think is
not reflecting. And I want to ask you this, how
long can Chuck Schumer last? Because Chuck Schumer didn't vote
for it yesterday? Right, So this is what I was thinking.
If Chuck Schumer didn't vote for it, but he allowed

(45:16):
eight Democrats to break ranks and vote for it, that
to me reveals Week leadership. If Chuck Schumer is like,
I didn't vote for it, but they did what I
wanted them to do, that reveals also Week leadership because
now he's lying to the people and going against the base.
Your take from your decades of breaking this.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
I think one of the disadvantages Republicans have is they
have no one who is the face of the party
that is appealing, Absolutely no one. I think Democrats have
a lot of faces out there that are appealing, but
Chuck Schumer is not one. I mean, I think that
you look at humor, it's like wallpaper at best. You know,

(45:56):
he's a Washington institution. He gets in that thing. Man.
You know, I've liked it. A lot of senators. They
go there, they think there's as a god, said a
friend of mine. I got to let as a senate said,
you know, they all think they're wearing togas over here,
you know they and they get this whole weird sort
of inside talk about process and this and that. And

(46:16):
Schumer he's just as a face of the party. He's
never going to help you. There's nothing inspiring about Chuck Schumer.
There's nothing that makes you want to. I may, you know,
die on this fight, but I'm going to die with
Chuck Schumer fighting that. No one ever says that. I
don't think even said that.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
I think they're like, let fuck die.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
He's had a good life. Yeah, it's another era of politics.
And you know, I think one thing that Democrats I
wish they do, I think they could do is come
up with an agenda for this coming election that when
you vote Democrats, you're going to get this. This is
what we're going to do. The first day, we're going

(47:00):
to cut off funding for ICE. The first day, we'll
cut off funding for the executive brands. The first day
we'll pass attacks on everybody who makes more than ten
million dollars a year. Pick a number. You know, I've
never seen a poll where that didn't test ninety ten.
At least you're going to go, we're going to go
after these orders. We're going to nationalize Star League, We're

(47:21):
going to nationalize SpaceX. He shouldn't have an unstable man
with drug issues involved in national critical national security issues.
But give people something that. Look, go out there and
find we're going to give you this. And I think
that that would be very very positive as a sort
of national agenda. And even if you can't do it,

(47:44):
who cares? Just promise it. Look at Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
He promises it, he lies, but at least he promises it,
and once he gets in power, he goes a or whatever.
I'm perfectly fine with Democrats doing that pie in the
sky in Charlotte. Let's try it out.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (47:57):
If you know, if if Donald Trump gets spend three
or minus and destroy the East wing and line and
create a bunker, we could get free buses. Let's give
it a shot. Let's go for affordable healthcare, Let's regulate
the billionaires. Let's nationalize starlink right, Let's run on accountability.
Let's have trials. Let's put Steven Miller in jail. I
think that'll be very very very very very very popular.

(48:20):
Maybe we don't need ICE. Do you want the Gestapo?
Maybe we should replace ICE with something better. Just dream big,
And I think what the Mamdani and you know, I'll
end on this. I think what the Mumdani campaign showed
you is you stand ten toes down on principle. Like
I said before, I interviewed him when he was a
distant number two in the spring a couple of months ago.

(48:40):
He has the same platform. He goes, I'm gonna ride
or die on this platform. He was a distant number two, folks,
he just chipped away, chipped away, chipped away, chipped away.
He didn't take any vote for granted. He talked to everyone,
He met people where they are, and the message was affordability.
Let's take on the broligarchy. Why should the one percent
get all the money and you don't even get crumbs?
And people are like, yeah, why not? And if he says,

(49:01):
you know, if Elon Musk and all the other people
could get billions, why can't you get free buses?

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yeah, why not? You know, Americans are so interesting it's
like we have Stockholm syndrome. We don't deserve paid family leave.
How dare we even dream of it?

Speaker 2 (49:15):
You know?

Speaker 1 (49:15):
And then someone says, hey, guys, do you know that
every other industrialized country has guaranteed paid family leave. You're like, oh,
that'd be nice. And I think basic stuff like this
and fighting for it. Stuart will give you a route,
I mean, And like you said, I think the magnet
it's so unpopular right now.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
They're just a little vicious and ugly. Sorry, go ahead, no, here,
here's a little exercise. I think it's worth paying. What
if you were running for office today and you've proposed
what we need is we need free public schools, you know,
and we're gonna have free bussing for people who want
to go to public schools. Republicans would call that, like,
you know, socialism now, but that is the essence of

(49:55):
the American public school system. You know. We say we're
gonna have colleges that you really don't have to pay
go to. We had land grant colleges like that that
you really didn't Mississippi State basically free. And now if
you did that, it would be all, how dare you
that's crazy? So this what you know, we need a
place people could go and they could access books for free.

(50:18):
Let's call it a library. And they would hate that.
They go, no, you can't do that. You're gonna destroy
the book industry.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
People can't give these books away for free. So there's
certain things that were given in the American Social Contract
that we decided we were going to be this that
the Republicans have I lost faith with and you know,
the just lost you there, hope you come back. Yeah.
The irony of this is the states that are most

(50:50):
dependent upon federal aid are these southern red states, right,
you know, if they're the ultimate welfare states. A state
like Siscific it's forty percent of it of its budget
from the federal government, you know. And so the extending that, okay,
we have public schools, okay, so what else is going

(51:11):
to be next? All right? Very well, have free buses
in New York. Why is that such a radical idea?
I'm with you, I don't.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
I don't understand it, and you also have to, you know, Stuart,
you and I are old enough that what's considered extreme
isn't if it is normalized. Right, marriage equality was We've
lived you and I have lived a life where if
someone told us in the nineties men would be married
to each other, will get the fat out of here.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
What are you talking? Two thousand and eight, every presidential candidate,
Democrat and Republican was against same sex marriage.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
You know what happened in twenty twelve.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Tell them what happened in twenty twelve. Oh, Barack Obama
came out for it. And you know now now you
don't even talk about it, though, I will say, just
as an aside, I think a lot of the obsession
that Republicans have about trans is the fact that they
never really accepted same sex marriage absolutely. And this is
just you just sort of shut up about it because

(52:04):
it was a losing issue. So now trans you come along,
and it gives you a way to sort of express
that anger.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
It gets you a chance to relitigate the loss on
marriage equality, which is and you know, but what I'm
saying is what's considered. You know, everything was considered extreme.
Living wage was considered extreme folks, Medicare for All was
considered extreme. Interracial marriage was considered scare. Medicare was considered extreme.
I Ronald Reagan, in part rose to prov prominence campaigning

(52:35):
nationally against Medicare now, and so you need a leader's
job is not just to even imagine a better future,
but then connect the dots right, and then if you
champion it, folks, you see change. I want to leave
on two examples where people might think I'm crazy on this.
Democrats threw undocumented immigrants under the bus for the first

(52:56):
couple of months of this administration. Go back and look,
they were timid, they were quiet, They focus grouped the
shit out of it.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Right.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Donald Trump abducted, literally abducted nearly two hundred and thirty
people Brown men, including kill mar A Brego Garcia Stewart,
and sent them to die in a foreign prison in
an Ol. Salvador Chris van Holland was the only senator
who morally said, you know what, kill mar A Bargo
Garcia is a constituent of mind. I'm gonna fly over.
That was risky, folks. He was the only one. No
one else joined them. The Florida El Salvador said, I

(53:23):
will stay as long as it takes to get proof
of life. He got within two three days. He got
proof of life with kill mar A Brego Garcia. The
Trump administration folks. They smeared this poor man. They did
everything in their power instead of simply saying we made
a mistake, you know, the decent thing or throwing some
ice agent under the bus. They're so cruel that they
kept lying about this man.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Right.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
What happened as a result of campaigning and messaging on
this right, kill mar Abrego Garcia became a political albatross
for Donald Trump. I remember Stuart a week later he
was a negative nineteen on kil maar Abrego Garcia. So
that put the pressure on them. They put the pressure.
Just shows you what happens when someone messages and fights
and then something that was a political liability then became

(54:05):
a political strength for Democrats. Right, Just something I want
people to think of and remember, even what happened with
Jimmy Kimmel, people fought back within a week Jimmy Kimmel's reinstated.
So you need the leaders to fight. Imagine to message
and in the short run, Steward maybe push it up
uphill and then get to the point where then the

(54:25):
energy and momentum just you know, push it this uf.
But you need fighters. Right then, going back to your point, ethical, moral,
what do you stand for?

Speaker 2 (54:34):
And be for big stuff, you know, I mean I
think that don't fery Timothy Snyder's on tyranny. You know,
one of the first rule is do not obey an advance,
and that is really saying, you know, it is autocrats,
stock and tray to reduce hope, to try to make

(54:56):
people believe that it's not possible, that they'll defeated, that
it's not possible to have this stuff. And look, that's
the civil rights movement. I have a dream. It is
the idea that you have to have these big, big
ideas that are worth fighting for. And I you know,

(55:18):
I just don't know. If somebody held a gun to
my head and said what does it mean to be
a conservative in America today, I'd say, shoot me. I
have no idea. I mean, there's no there's no You
don't say what you will about Elizabeth Warren. Here's a
theory of government. Maybe you disagree, but you can talk
to her and she'll defend it. He's like, brilliant. You
can have a discussion. You can't have that with a JD.

(55:40):
Vance or anybody with any integrity in the Republican Party
because we're the pro tariff party where the proputant party,
where the nationalized intel party, where the where the complete
corruption party? Now? And you know, we've gone from an
environment with Donald Trump repeatedly in fifty teen and sixteen

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had to promise to release his tax returns to now
it's not even talked about. And you know, and I
just legally I hope Democrats are thinking about and some
one should come forward. What is the mechanism that is
going to be put in place to hold these people accountable?

(56:22):
You need to have a mechanism to go back and
look at the dose outragees. These are criminals. They broke laws.
Elon Musk broke laws. All these punks they put in there,
they broke laws. Go after these is stations. Because you're
a law enforcement official does not mean that you are

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not answerable to the law. There's a lot of police
and women in jail, you know, I mean, sirproco, there's
a lot of the idea of a bad It doesn't
mean that you're never going to be held accountable. See
essence of it. And so what is this going to be?
You need something that is going to be sort of
a truth and reconciliation after that, absolutely, and don't be

(57:06):
afraid of it. And that's the problem we had with
Merrick Garland. We never went through that process, sou And.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
That's and that is a The Merrick Garland of it
all is a beautiful encapsulation of the timidity of some
well intentioned Democrats who would choose civility and restoration to
progress and reform, where the respect for institutions outweighs the
righteous anger of the majority that demands accountability and change

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and and and the weakness of Biden. I'm sorry to say,
because if Trump was there, he'd be like, okay, Merrick Garland.
By and furthermore, I think I'm gonna put you in
jail and go after you because I want to. And
then he'd put in someone who's a fighter.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
And Democrats need to learn and I and you said it,
and I've said it before, and I hope people will
listen to you. I said, any Democrat running for national leadership,
a national position, has to run on accountability. And if
they run on accountability, I guarantee you people will.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Vote for them.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
If they literally say, this is how I'm gonna hold
this mother effort elon Musk accountable.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Vote for me.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
This is how I'm gonna how I'm gonna hold Stephen
Miller accountable.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Vote for me.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
This is how I'm gonna hold Pambondi accountable. And this
is how I'm gonna hold Ice Agents accountable. I still
haven't heard that, Stewart, because and a cash Battel. Hey guys, Hey,
I'm at Valhalla. Sorry, I had to let me be petty.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
My dad My dad was an FBI, so that that
really strikes him.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's terrible. By the way, folks. For
those who don't know, Cash Battel has reportedly taking several
trips on a sixty million dollar jet, wasting taxpayer dollars
to go visit his honeypot girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Not just one I saw with seven Yeah, there you go,
there you go.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Uh So why who who authorized it?

Speaker 2 (59:01):
How will you pay us back? Christy Nome?

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Why did you get a one hundred and seventy two million
dollar private jet so you can fly around with your
lover for Corey Lezewski private? So I want someone to
run on accountability, dammit Stewart. And I think there's a
righteous rage. I think the one who does it will
really get I think the person who says I'm going
to take you on, Stephen Miller, and I'm going to
friggin try you, and I'm going to investigate you because

(59:24):
I think you engage in war crimes, and I think
you friggin terrorize people, kidnap them. And I want accountability
for the one hundred and seventy plus citizens who got deported.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Anyway, Who am I? I'm nobody.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
No one listens to me, but maybe they'll listen to you, Stuart, Stuart,
before I let you go pamelessly promote yourself.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Oh look, I am with a Lincoln project, which I
hope people will consider supporting, a super pack which is
all donor driven, and a substack called Lincoln Square, which
you know, I mean as you wake up every day

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living this. No one is going to save us but ourselves.
You know, there's not a billionaires for him, and though
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Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
And folks there's twenty five hundred people watching this, which
is fantastic, So the people who joined us late. I've
been talking to Stuart and we've been talking about last
week's election, the blue tsunami, the righteous rage that many
Democrats are feeling after they think that eight Democrats caved,
what the Republican Party has become, how it will further devolve,
And are humble recommendations for Democrats or anyone who wants

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to galvanize on the rage and the energy of the people,
on what they should run for. And we also did
a nice little DeLorean trip. We even did some old
school references Storagan, George W.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Bush.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
I think even a McCarthy was thrown in there, and
of Bill Clinton. This will be up on our substack,
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Maybe you can help me feed one child. This is

(01:01:23):
the Left Hook. I'm with Stuart. Folks, be kind being formed.
This is a long walk. We need to be joyful. Warriors.
Do not obey in advance, do not Both sides on
fascism or genocide fight back. Everyone has a role to play.
Everyone has a role to play, and please, oh please,
don't be a fascist.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Thank you Stuart, thank you brother, thank you cre