This is How MAGA's House of Cards Will Crumble

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, folks, I promise I'm not just talking to myself.
I promise there's a human being there, not a gin See,
there's a Mike Madrid. Mike Madrid is in a hotel
right now, but he has raised his phone and thanks
to his laptop. Mike Madrid is a co founder of
the Lincoln Project. He was part and parcel of the
Republican Party before they decided to go full white nationalist.

(00:22):
Since then, he is an anti Trumper. He's also the
editor of the Great Transformation. And the reason why I
love having Mike on is because Mike loves the numbers,
he loves the data. He makes informed opinions after going
through all the cross tabs, and specifically, but not exclusively,
he has been following Latino trends, not a Latino trend,

(00:43):
because it's very important. There's no such thing as one
Latino community in America. And his prediction was Donald Trump,
you know all of it. The MAGA could sink if
the Latinos that went from twenty twenty four, if they deflect,
and he said a couple months ago on this show,
look at two issues, the economy, immigration. If Donald Trump
and MAGA overreaches on those two issues. This big Latino

(01:05):
trend that everyone talks about going to Maga, it'll reverse
just like that, and it'll go back to the twenty
sixteen numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Well, boila, that's happening.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
So all these numbers have come out, the poll numbers
have come out, the Epstein file crisis, and Mike was
tweeting a lot of stuff over the weekend, and I
was telling Mike that right right as I was about
to go and tweet, I saw Mike had tweeted the
same exact thing. So I just retweeted him. And then
after I tweeted something I saw, oh, Mike retweeted later,
so we were in sync. So let's do first a

(01:33):
top level view, eagle's eye view of the numbers. And
I think let's then drill down on the cross tabs,
and I think what we're gonna see, folks, is it
ain't looking good for Trump and MAGA. It ain't looking
good when it comes to the economy, Epstein and even
immigration and.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Even folks white voters. We're going to dig into it, Eagle.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
I view, first and foremost, with all the numbers that
you saw over the past week, Mike, well.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Thanks watch for having to me I love being with you.
You know that there was just a h and sync
on a lot of these things as they're developing, especially
the numbers. Let me set the table by saying this,
Donald Trump is hitting lows that he has never hit,
even in his first term. Uh, in the depths of COVID,
when people were dying by the tens of thousands, he

(02:22):
was not as low as.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
He is hitting now.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
And as I'm going to predict, he's going to go
even lower, which may not sound like a big deal,
but you have to remember with somebody who has had
such a strong stable base of MAGA support, that means
he's cutting into the MAGA bone right now, like he's
now seeing defections from MAGA, not just your Republican country club,

(02:46):
Republicans that want a tax cut what however, many of
those are left. This is now MAGA now is getting
you know, they're cutting into the bone. So why well, look,
you set it up perfectly. There's really little nothing going
well for the administration right now, like nothing, it's extremely
hard to see where there's anything positive happening. And I

(03:08):
want to set up the mid terms that we're heading into.
Compared to Donald Trump's first midterms, because they're the best comparison.
But it's worse now, and I want to explain why.
A lot, a lot of what happened on Tuesday showed
a remarkable shift on two core strengths that Trump had,

(03:28):
which was immigration and the economy. The economy is still far,
far worse in terms of perspective, and that was his
biggest strengths in November, just a year ago. This month
when when you know he in the November elections, immigration
has flipped on him too, by a wide margin, but
not nearly as much as the economy has. And it's

(03:50):
very hard, especially when you're talking to about young people,
younger males and Latinos specifically, to isolate those two of them.
They're really they are really both very important issues in
the Latino community specifically and with young people broadly. But
there is there is clear evidence that it's the souring

(04:14):
economy that is what is driving these dramatic twenty five
percent vote shifts in Passaic County or Union Union City,
New Jersey, or Manassas, Virginia. I just got off the
phone with the Miami Herald reporter about thirty minutes ago
talking about the Republicans losing the mayorship in Miami. Trump
had just endorsed the Republican mayor a couple of days ago.

(04:37):
Runoff is in a couple of weeks. Good chance of
Trump endorsed mayor candidate in his own backyard is going
to lose amongst core Republican Cuban you know, hardcore folks.
All of these are signs again that we're witnessing not
just a loss of independence, which he lost about three

(04:57):
months ago, but he's losing hard core, hardcore Republican base voters.
The glue lodge, And sorry if I'm all over the place,
but I don't.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
We gonna spend some time on this.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
The glue here, the trust, this inviolable, indelible trust me.
I'm the only one who can fix it. I can
shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue. Nobody cares with the Epstein glue.
And on Tuesday, there's going to be this vote, presumably
sometime this week, where there were going to be upwards
of one hundred Republican voters defecting. Trump of course, gets

(05:32):
out front of it by three days ago, now two
or three days ago, reopening a closed investigation so that
he doesn't have to release all of the files because
he knows he's going to lose the vote, and then
he has Republicans, tells Republicans to vote for it, so
it looks like they're for it, even though they're not
going to release all of the data. Now, the American
public's not stupid, they're going to see this. But he's

(05:54):
a desperate, cornered animal, and he's got very very few options,
and they're shrinking politically. This is going to get worse
for him. The Epstein stuff is that glue that is
opening the door for people to realize, yes, the price
of everything is going up, Yes there's a mess on
the international scene. Yes, healthcare costs are going to go up. No,

(06:17):
it's not Joe Biden. And the existential problem I hate
that word, but it is an existential problem for him
is once these people feel that they've been lied to
on something big, all of the lies starts to cascade.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
So on the.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Once the house of cards falls, and it's not going
to be a small drop in three or four percent,
you're going to see a complete Balkanization of the American
right because there's no ideological underpinning of the Republican Party anymore.
It's all personality. Look at the fight that is happening.

(06:55):
Even in the Democratic Party. There's maybe there's a fight
between Istanbridge, you're right or his mom. Okay, that's that's healthy.
We talked about this last time. Is it more right?
Is it more left? Is it more center? Fine? Those
are good, good, healthy debates to have. On the right,
is is it is Charlie Kirk right, or is it
Ben Shapiro's right? Or is it Laura Lumer's right? Is

(07:16):
all of these personalities on social media that are simply
angling for larger followings and larger proximity to power with
Donald Trump. Once Trump goes away in one way, shape
or form, You're going to start to see an atomization
of the right. It's not gonna be a typical center right,

(07:36):
moderate conservative split. Those days are gone. It's going to
literally atomize in in a in every difference direction. And
that's going to really change the calculus of how Trump's
lame duck presidency is going to go forward, If it
goes forward, how it limps forward after the midterms, which
I think are going to be very, very bad, at

(07:57):
least at this point less, there's a remarkable turnaround because
and I'll end on this watch, Storr. I've been talking
so much because the economy is getting worse. And remember
twenty eighteen, the year we first started talking about a
big blue wave. This is the Trump lost forty seats.
The economy was really good, the economy was doing great,

(08:20):
and he still lost the historic number of seats. His
numbers are way below that right now. The Epstein stuff
is going to bring those way further. In his own base.
Everybody's reacting to the economy broadly. The economy is not
going to be better by one year from now, it's
going to be worse. Prices are going to be higher,
and all of this is creating this perfect storm. The

(08:43):
storm is coming, as they say in key world, and
it's going to be an unmitigated disaster unless the trajectory changes,
and I understanding changing that. Imagine as tough as it
is right now for Republicans after last Tuesday's elections, what
is the post midterm disaster look like? If Democrats get
both the House and the Senate. There's no heir to

(09:06):
this cult. There is no heir, and in fact there's
no leader anymore. When Donald Trump is losing Republican votes
in the House on Epstein to the point where he
has to open up this fake investigation on a closed
investigation to protect himself while then also trying to pretend
like he told Republicans to do what they were going
to do. Anyway, He's not in control anymore. That's the

(09:29):
most important takeaway. And when there's nobody that can sees
the mantle of an ideology in a party, it does
nothing but scatter with the whims in every possible direction.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Use great table setting.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
You talked about three key issues that I want to
dive into one by one, Epstein, the economy, and immigration.
Before we do that, I just want to let people
know Donald Trump has never cracked fifty. Donald Trump doesn't
have this remarkable mandate. Even in the twenty twenty four
election forty nine, he barely beats Kamala Harris by about

(10:01):
one point four points. Steve ben predicted ten years ago,
we can rule for the next forty years. I'm sure
you remember this, Mike. If we just gobble up the whites,
enough of the whites the rule of whites, and peel
away from some latinos Asians and black folks. He goes,
that's all we need, and then you know, you throw
in a little bit of jerry mandering and disinformation and YadA YadA, YadA. Okay,

(10:23):
so folks, that's what he got in twenty twenty four.
The majority of whites, sorry to say, Democrats, they have
abandoned you since the nineteen sixties.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
As Lyndon B.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Johnson predicted even now twenty twenty five, majority of whites
did not go for Mamdani, did not go for Spandenberger.
They did not go for Miki Cheryl. It was the
rest of us and about forty five percent of whites,
all right, So he cannot afford to lose any whites.
I saw one data that about five percent of the

(10:52):
whites who voted for Trump have decided not to support
Republicans in the midterm elections. Five percent does not mean
they're going to go for Democrats, but they might.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Just stay out.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
That is, they can't afford that when it comes to
Latino voters. You've been saying this for a while, Mike,
because this has been your expertise. You told me, even
if you look at one factor, and one factor alone,
if he loses the Latino voters, that he'd gone twenty
two and four and they go back to twenty sixteen numbers,
that alone might be enough to wipe out the Republicans.

(11:24):
In addition to that, they've lost now all the young voters,
the young voters who you know, first time voters who
grew up with Trump is I'm like, what the f
is this? They're gone?

Speaker 2 (11:32):
And then you saw the twenty twenty five election, just
a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
You know, if you know, we don't know if it
will hold, but we assume yes, a lot of the
Asian voters who left, a majority of them still went
for a Democrat, but still he peeled off a few
percentage they went back. And then Mike, we still haven't
talked about a third of American voters or people who
can vote and don't vote, you know, just to mobilize
people off they're asked to vote. All right, So this

(11:56):
is what we're dealing with right now, folks. He, according
to CNN Harry Entin, is negative thirty five on the
Epstein files, and that was a couple of days ago.
I agree with you that him announcing that bullshit yesterday
was not him all of a sudden saying release the
Epstein files because folks, facts matter. Donald Trump can release

(12:17):
the EPSCE files. He can pick up the phone right now
to Pambondi and who's his reek, and say DJ, release
the epsceen files.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Coloss. That's it, forget the votes.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
He is behaving like a man who is the opposite
of innocent. He has done everything that a guilty man
would do in what I call the biggest political cover
up in modern history when it comes to the Epstein files,
because based on what we know we've heard, he is
most likely all up in those files. Even with what
we know what the emails were released, his name is

(12:47):
number one. There have been FBI agents, thousands of them,
tasked with literally redacting his name. All right, there's so
many leaks here, Mike that he can't plug. The survivors,
the thousands of FBI agents who have seen this stuff
with their own eyes, the Epstein, a state that has
given the documents already, the Democrats and Glenn Maxwell. Right,
so let's start with the Epstein files, the fallout and

(13:10):
what's been happening over the past two days. It's wild
where Trump has turned on Massy Trump, He's turned on
Marjorie Taylor Green. They have stood firm, and now you're
seeing the cracks and you've seen the numbers. Let's start
with Epstein. Your take, so a great setup.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Look, this is really really critical, and it's why you know,
when this first started bubbling up, I was saying, this
isn't going to go away, because again, the right way
to understand the politics of Epstein is this is the
glue that has held all the weirdos on the right together.
And as it started to kind of melt away, you
started to notice to see this really big civil war

(13:46):
starting to happen in the Heritage Foundation between Tucker Carlson
and Nick Fuentes and Ben Shapiro, like, this is not happening. Coincidentally,
this is because the only thing holding this colors together
has been fealty to Donald Trump. And when you see
a Marjorie Taylor Green or Tom Mask, he starts to
back off of him. Now, Don Bacon and like Dawn

(14:09):
a lot, but boy, he needed to show a little
bit more courage, especially knowing where this was all going.
He's finally starting to show some of that courage. Courage
gets easier when more voices joined the choir. And I'll
get to that in a second, because it's important on
how the resistance forces and amplifies the division in the
Maga Civil War. Right now, that's probably one of the
best things that you can do, because Trump is realizing, Okay,

(14:31):
wait a second, Now, I can't hold this back. I've
got two options. The first option is what he essentially took,
which is reopen the investigation that Pam Bondi already said
is close. Because if I open the investigation, then by law,
I don't have to release all of the files. I
can say there's an open investigation, and legally we're not
allowed to release everything. He'll put out a few more

(14:54):
things to files that don't incriminate him, but they're not going.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
To believe that.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
No one's going to believe that going to do that.
And then the second is flip it to the Senate
and try to have the Senate hold for him. That's
another thing that there's going to have to be a
lot of pressure put on these Republicans in the Senate,
and I think you're probably going to start to see
some breaks on that if not. If not, then I
think these people are putting themselves in jeopardy because, as

(15:19):
was accurately explained by Tom Maskey, Congressman Republican Tom Massey himself.
Trump's gonna go away in a couple of years. He
will for a whole lot of reasons. But if you
vote to protect a pedophile, will that will exist for
your entire career. You will never ever be able to
get away from that stain in Trump. Trump's cast ay

(15:41):
is not going to last for another you know, twenty
four months the way that it has. I'm not saying
there won't always be a Trump presence. There will be,
but it's not going to be what it was in
this aftermath. So okay, So what does that mean politically? Well, again,
the key right here now. Normally we say never interfere
with the enemy while he's in the process of destroying himself.
That's usually true, except what we're witnessing right now is

(16:05):
not anything cohesive holding this together. He is the glue.
Remember of all the crazy the MAHA folks used to
be kind of, you know, a very different constituency than
the than the America Firsters and anti globalists in those paranoids,
they're all on the same party. But when Trump is

(16:26):
gone again, this thing shatters, and that shattering is what
is happening. So amplify those divisions, amplify those divisions, and
then one final thing. Watch, I'm gonna flip it back
to you. This is where it gets boring, but it's
so damn important. There has to be a message on
fixing the economy. If Democrats have just two or three

(16:49):
bullet points on what they will do once they take power,
you're talking about an additional eight to eleven point spread. Wow,
it's a breaking open and it's like a ninth inning
three run home run and a tied game. It just
it blows the game open. That's where Democrats need to
be focused, because Trump is going to do more damage

(17:10):
to himself on the Epstein files than the Democrats are
going to be able to do to him. He's going
he has no choice, he all of He's putting everyone
in the Republican Party in an extremely bad position where
they've got to choose between continuing to back Trump or
realizing this guy's gone. He's a land dunk. The party's over.
Bitch him and distance from as quick as we can

(17:33):
so that I can save my own career and that
the party is in complete shambles heading into not only
twenty twenty six, but the twenty twenty eight presidential election.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I want to get to the economy in one second,
because I think that is an out and the weakness
for Democrats in my opinion, which we'll talk about. I
think that Donald Trump's two Achilles cankles. I've been saying
it for a while, or to the Epstein files in
the economy, and you use the Epstein files to weaken
them as a divide munker and you increase the fissures
and then you really drive home the steak with a

(18:04):
popular economic message. Right, Epstein is the scandal, and Republicans
have been fantastic on creating scandals or butter emails, butter emails, Watergate,
water You know it works, folks. It stays in the news,
It hurts the reputation and the integrity of the candidate. Right,
it's a scandal, right, it feeds the news waves, part

(18:26):
of the cultural war. Republicans are fantastic on this. So
that's your Epstein files. Also, I would say accountability. Not
only do you go after Epstein and Trump, but you
also go after wait for it, the billionaires. And this
is where tying it then to the economy. I feel
like Democrats the reason why you're seeing what I refer
to it as a civil war in the Democratic Party

(18:47):
is like you said, you have you know, you have
a slugger up. It's bottom of the ninth bases loaded
and you can hit a freaking grand slam. And Democrats
are like, let me bunt it. And the reason why
they bunt it is because they're still unwilling and I'm
talking about they meeting the democratic establishment is still unwilling
to untether themselves from the teet of corporate power.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
And you mentioned an example. I think there's some data points.
Anyone who says this, they're like, oh, you're being to
this and to that, and we have to go centris centric,
centris centrist.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
I'm like, you're misreading the people, You're misreading the moment.
Can you give us an example of the economy, and
I think the shift and what would be a more
popular shift on the economy meaning embracing that progressive anti
prologarchy message. And let's just use the data point of
this democratic internal pull that showed that AOC's message on

(19:41):
Prop fifty gagging Newsom's message on Prop fifty, because I
think that's a really good example that we can use
as a microcosm for a big picture.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, well, that's a great setup, and that's the perfect example.
I think we both kind of were tweeting and talking
about that because it's absolutely right. I'm going to tweak
this a little bit though, because I think even though
you and I come to the exact same conclusion, our
analysis is about two percent off, so we agree ninety
eight percent. But here's here's what I believe. I believe
that the right left spectrum doesn't exist anymore. I don't

(20:15):
believe I don't believe that we're having a discussion about
the role of government in terms of doing any bigger
or less government. We're talking about haves and have nots. Now,
we're talking about insider versus outsider, and we're talking about
those with influence and those without influence.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
I agree with you, by the way, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
And so so so when we say progressive, really what
we we're kind of almost just saying populist, right, because
a lot of what even Donald Trump is saying is
is kind of progressive populist because it's anti establishment. It's
it's anti corporate, for sure, but it's anti it's anti

(20:54):
institutional in a lot of way because the institutions aren't
working and the Democrats are trying to the dablishment. Democrats
are trying to balance this need to be the protectors
of democracy, as they call it, which means protect all
of these institutions when the institutions aren't serving the working class.
So in a Bernie or an AOC or a mom
Donnie start to say that, like the Emperor has no

(21:17):
clothes here, like we need a bigger fix than just
keeping things that the status quo. It's resonant because they're
just saying people can't afford stuff like we look, we
talk about all these scandals in the Trump era and
appropriately so, but my god, there's any economic crisis for
working class people right now. It's like car repossessions are

(21:39):
at an all time high right now, like rents are.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Through the roof.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
I don't know how young people, working class people non
you know, I don't know how people are making it like.
It's just it's it's brutal. I've got three children who
are in their twenties, and I don't know what to
tell them other than none of this stuff works. So
the only politicians that are saying that, and the politicians

(22:05):
from the left are saying it constructively with policy. Donald
Trump was saying it destructively. Like blame, get picked, be AnGR. Fine.
He channeled that for a while, but at a certain point,
after a child throws a tantrum and cries and kicks
and screams, they exhaust themselves and it's like, Okay, now what
am I gonna do? We got to fix stuff. And

(22:26):
you have people on the far left agree with them
or not or at least talking about it, while the
democratic establishment is saying it's not happening. Don't believe you're
lying eyes. If we just go back to what the
way it was, everything is gonna be fine.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Restoration not reformation.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah, well said, well said, And so that precisely, and
so that I think is the real dividing line in
American politics is people who believe that if we just
got back to the old way of doing things, everything
would be fine, and those that are growing a number
saying no, it was never fine and it's not fine now.

(23:05):
And this is the opportunity, because it's failing all around us,
to do something dramatically different. So I think we're saying this,
like I said, we're saying ninety eight percent the same thing.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
I honestly, I don't think we're even ninety percent. I
think we're the same. I would just make an example
through a political lens. But yesterday, two days ago, I
was at Georgetown and it was a really great event.
It was all these Pakistani Americans, all these generations coming
together trying to mobilize, and was the first of its
kind type of conclave. And you know, the kids asked,

(23:35):
you know, what do you think is the number one
question across the board, the number one problem? And I said,
the number one problem is the struggle between the haves
and the have nots, that the ninety nine percent versus
the one percent, and young people are realizing the one
percent are gobbling up all their milkshick and as a result,
that one percent is creating a prologarchy and fascism, and

(23:57):
the rest of us now have to organize and mobiliz
against the one percent. That to me is the narrative
nine versus the one percent, the rest against the broligarchy.
They're drinking our milkshake. We have to stop them from
drinking our milkshake. And if we can, then the rest
of us, all of us, can have an economically secure,
better future for ourselves and our children and our grandparents.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
That to me is your home run.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
That to me is your soft meatball down the middle
fifty miles per hour to bury bonds.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Anyone who does that, you knock it out of the park, Mike.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
But the fact that the Democrats are unable to do
this reveals to me that there is a fissure in
the democratic movement.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
You saw that with Mamdani.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
They still have an embraced Mom Night Shumor still has
an embrace Mdnni Jilibrand still has an embrace Mamdani. The
utter refusal to embrace reform, the utter refusal to look
at the reality in your face, and folks, is not
just the last two years. Going to Mike's point, We've
talked about this before, and I think it's really important.
This has been happening for a decade. Donald Trump is
he's a bullshit artist, but he ran as an anti

(25:02):
establishment candidate. I think people need to remember that, Mike,
because it's been ten years. He is the establishment, He's
always been the established. He ran though as specifically, I
remember the analogy bulldozer.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
I will bulldoze the.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Establishment in the institution, and remember people like, yes, we
need to get rid of this shit, bring it all down,
drain the swamp. Bernie also did it, but from a
type of different angles that the institutions are corrupt, the
rich are getting rich, and we need reform and dying
into the point of the AOC message. And I'll get
back to mic on on this. I just want to

(25:34):
remind people because it's bear remind me because you get
gas lit from horribly overpaid corporate consultants who don't want
you to believe the evidence of your eyes. They still
say Mamdani is the one up. They still say Trump
is an aberration. They still say there's no such thing
as economic bibulism. They're still selling capitalism to young people.
Look at all the poll numbers and data young people,

(25:55):
and I can't blame the Mike. They're like, what has
capitalism done for me?

Speaker 3 (25:58):
All Right?

Speaker 1 (25:59):
You got democratic, so sure you got MAGA. Sure, I
don't give a shit. I don't give a shit about
any of this stuff. Whatever makes my life better. That's
where young people are, right. And so you're seeing now
this lane, wide, open lane that works for anybody. And
even Margorie Taylor Green, if you notice, she's come on
board with this because she realizes that you see the
where the winds are shifting. Let me tie my white

(26:21):
nationalism to economic populism. This takes me to prop fifty
and the Democrats are trying to promote the Chuck Schumers,
that King Jeffries, even the Gavin Newsom's If I made
it real quick my prediction why I think Gavin Newsom,
if he doesn't shift, that will not be your democratic
warrior in twenty twenty eight. I think he has some

(26:42):
week spots, Mike. His week spot is on Israel. He
still goes right, he doesn't see where the wind is blowing.
Still tied to Apak, same with Pete Bluegige and Corey Booker,
and I see he flips on the woke in Immigrants.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
You know he goes where the wind is blowing.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
I want to remind people that he's the one who
invited Charlie Kirk and Steve Bennon on his podcast and
then the third one. He still hasn't detached himself from
the broligarchy and the Silicon Valley bros. And you see
that impact his messaging. Now compare and contrasts that to
aac's ad and talk to us about why I'm focusing

(27:18):
on this and what that says and why that kind
of might prove what you and me are saying.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
So some testing was done on all of the ads
for the s on fifty campaign, and the one that
tested the best was when AOC talks about the costs
of healthcare and economic pocketbook issues. Now, some people will say,
what does that have to do with redistricting. The answer is,
I mean, it is kind of a bank shot, but
people don't understand redistricting. Real people don't understand redistricting is

(27:44):
in the first place. But what they do know is
that they're angry at what's going on with the economy
here in the country. The only ad that the s
on fifty campaign ran the only one that spoke to
the economy. Remember they spent tens of millions of only
one spoke to the economy. It was AOC on these
economic pocketbook issues. It's tested by far the best. Not

(28:06):
because she's more popular than the others. She may or
may not be, but the message was what was resonating
and to me and I've been going back and forth
with some of the consultants who worked on the s
on fifty campaign, saying, Gavin Newsom, to your point, wise,
Gavin Newsom needs to make a pivot we and I
think his by the way, I think Gavenuwsom is a

(28:26):
generational talent. I think he's remarkably good. But he had
some weak spots. He just pointed some out there. This
guy's not there's not gonna be a coronation here. This
is gonna be a long flog battle to the nomination,
and there should be. That makes your nominee stronger. You
want to have a big fight. But one of the
weakest is working class people aren't doing great in California

(28:48):
right now, and rather than running ads speaking to that,
where Gavin Newsom could now be championing some of these
issues that AOSC was talking about in her ad. They're
talking about some of these old oldie book goodies that
were never really resonant anyway with the working class and
the poor, and they're trying to say, well, let's just
lean in to those issues again because we want overwhelmingly

(29:10):
so clearly they're working. Well. No, look this wave and
it was a blue wave on Tuesday night, didn't it
just hit New Jersey and Virginia where they were talking about,
you know, more more economic pocketbod issues, but certainly New
York City where it clearly happened. Hell was it happened
in Miami? Yeah, the Republicans has been swept out of

(29:30):
the mayoralty in Miami, Marcus Mississippi, Mississippy like Georgia, Mississippi,
New Hampshire, like, come on, guys, stop it. So, yeah,
there have to be a shift made. Gavin has not
made that shift yet. Knowing him the way that I do,
he will. I think he'll be effective at it. Does
it stick? I don't know. It's way too early for
those prognostications. But the point you're making, in the point

(29:52):
that I'm agreeing with trying to supplement, is unless you're
talking about those kitchen table economic populist pocketbooks, issues don't
even apply. Don't even apply because no one's listening to
you and no one believes you. And there has to
be an acknowledgment, an overt acknowledgment that the system has failed.

(30:12):
And when I say the system, I mean it's not
blue or red, it's not it's have and have not.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Here you go.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
When you say the system is failing, you mean the
system is failing. It's not a buzzword to score partisan points.
That's why you're seeing these wild swings back and forth
of Latinos working class young people. They're saying, I don't
believe the bullshit any of the red corporate guys or
the blue corporate guys are selling. Because I don't. It's

(30:43):
not working. So if I have to choose about on
the on the lesser of two evils, whoever is the
evil guy? Is the guy sitting in power. That's not
enough to create a movement, that's not enough to create
a party that's enough to win in an off cycle,
and you leave yourself even more susceptible to the swing

(31:04):
back in twenty twenty eight and you get nothing accomplished.
That's my fear of what's gonna happen is the Democrats
won't learn the lesson of twenty eighteen when they win
an historic blue wave, but then the next three elections
the historic right word shift of Latino's young and working
class people because they believe they had a mandate. They didn't.
They're not doing anything transformational to change people's lives, and

(31:28):
unless you do, you're not going to have anything lasting.
You will You'll go from pyrrhic victory to another piric
victory eight years later with a ton of losses in
between and that's what's happening right.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Now, and that's my fear. And I don't trust them
at all.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
I'm old enough to remember when they had a chance
to hold these people accounibal the establishment accountable for creating
the greatest economic crisis of my time, the two thousand
and eight subprime crisis too big to fill. And then
in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, when you had a
chance again restoration not reformation, restoration not reformation, and.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
They will through it.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
I'll give the Mamdani great example right in front of
us last couple of weeks, they threw everything and the
kitchen sink and a Larry Summers and billionaire money to destroy.
I mean, even now they say it's a one off.
It's a one off. It's a one off. Trust a
shut up, shut up and trust us. You better go
back to restorate trust us. And young people are like, no,
I don't give a shit. Democratic social why not? Sure,

(32:24):
I'll try a democratic socialist. And some of these same
people twenty twenty four last year, I mean, it bothered me,
pain me that this happened, but they were like, I'll
try a maga why not? Like whatever work, Okay, I'll
try an alien alien. Hello alien, Okay, do you promise
an affordable life?

Speaker 2 (32:40):
All right? Conquer from another planet? Give me better healthcare?

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I feel that's what we're seeing right now for the
past ten years is people are done with the establishment.
They want reformation, not restoration. The democratic establishment is going
to do everything to destroy anyone and everyone who brings
out a reformist idea.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I'll give you an example.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Them trying to crush Mamdani, them trying to crush AOC,
them trying to crush Bernie Sanders, them trying to say
white people don't understand the oligarchy. Bernie and AOC do
fight the oligarchy tour. White people are like, yeah, nine
nine versus the one percent. I understand this. So this
is why I believe we really have to put pressure
on these Democrats, Mike, because my fear is exactly what

(33:20):
you said. They want another Biden as a stopgap measure
in twenty twenty eight, and they think that they'll be
able to cobble up enough without realizing Nope, the restoration
milk toast centrism is just going to lead to the
same ground houx day cycle, and then you're gonna get
a big Fuentn Test type candidate come out in twenty
thirty two, who's just going to be outright white America,

(33:42):
America first, America only.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
That's what's gonna happen. I'm telling you right now.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
If the Democratic Party, which is our only lever that
we have right now when it comes to political parties
and a national level, continues on this path, you're gonna
get a milk toet Centris stop gap in twenty twenty eight,
and then you're gonna get a Nick fuentn Test type
character in twenty three to two. That is my prediction.
If you don't believe me, you're not paying attention and
looking at the last twenty years. The final question I
want to ask you is on immigration. And you said

(34:10):
that if there is overreach on immigration, these Latinos and
a lot of Americans are gonna jump shit. That seems
to have proven out. You see what's happening in Charlotte, Portland, Chicago,
America is like, I didn't vote for this shit. I
voted for strong borders. I didn't vote for kids being
zip tied. Donald Trump in one year has made immigrants
great again. The highest favorability ratings of immigrants are right now, folks,

(34:32):
which is great and amazing opportunity. Another wide openly for
Democrats to finally realize they can't stop punting on immigration
like they have for twenty years. They have to come
up with a bold, humane immigration reform policy and people
receptive to it. You have a compare and contrast, right,

(34:52):
you have literally Ice agents terrorizing This immigration policy has
not made everything better. We have fewer immigrants of color
coming to America for the first time in decades. Are
people feeling better? Is the economy great again? No, All
the data points are right there, Mike, It's right there
in front of you. And plus, being republican light has
never worked. And then you also have the universe giving

(35:13):
the example in the UK where Starmer went Republican light
on immigration and it's hurting him, not helping him on immigration. Mike,
A generational opportunity for Democrats.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Your take.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
On what they should be doing was well put. In fact,
it's more than a generational opportunity. Last time we did
this was eighty six. We're going I got two generational unity.
It's been so damn long since this has been done. Yes,
look the overreach and you and I have been talking
about this for months now, and I was saying, the
party there's gonna be no winner on this, there's gonna
be a loser, and the loser is gonna be the
party that overreaches first. And Republicans can't help themselves. They

(35:51):
will overreach, and they have. They have in fact that
they in fact, they have overreached so much that these
issues aren't even viewed as immigration now they're viewed as
military overreach because that's what it is. Like they've gone
so damn far out to the right, there's no oxygen anymore,
and they're going into Charlotte like they're just these show

(36:12):
of forces are not about immigration anymore, and the American
public is being repelled, repulsed by it. So what does
all that mean? Look, I think I believe, and again
somebody's worked on the immigration issue for thirty five plus years,
there is a unique opportunity for Democrats to finally start
talking about in specifics the pathway to citizenship. This idea

(36:34):
that the borders are going to be closed. Fine, Trump
got that it's all locked up. Whatever. What we need
for economic purposes is an actual number and actual plan.
The abstract doesn't work anymore. Democrats will lose that in
the abstract because unless they start putting specifics on paper,
the Republicans will still go to this oldie but goody

(36:56):
and start calling them open borders. Advocates have to say,
here's what the plan is, maintain the border as it is,
but what does the pathway actually look like? And here's
why that's important. Was Again, I worked on Republican politics
for thirty five years. I have heard over and over
and over again every week during those thirty five years,

(37:17):
Republicans saying I support legal not illegal immigration, to which
I would immediately respond, how many legal immigrants do you
think the country should have? Not once in thirty five
years have I ever gotten an answer to that, because
they don't mean it. They don't mean it, they don't
have a plan, they don't want any immigrants. They just
say as long as it's legal versus illegal in a

(37:38):
broken system, they won't do anything about it. So Democrats
have always shied away because they thought, well, if we
start putting out numbers, we're going to be looked at
open as open borders. The reality is, the economy is
so jacked up now with prices that from the agricultural
level to the H one B VI's a highly educated

(37:59):
tech worker level. We need more workers as a way
to keep the economy going as a way to pay
for I mean, hey, excuse my craftness here. Watch but
wiping the asses of the old white people watching Fox
News in homes, you know, who are anti immigrant, that
are only alive and sustaining their lives because of immigrant work.

(38:20):
Like that's the one of the great ironies. Their Social
Security check is only being made whole by young, unskilled
workers who will in most parts never even see that money.
They're the most anti immigrants. It's crazy, like these old
folks that are old Republicans and hooked up to their
Fox News IV drips, the most anti Republican group are

(38:42):
the ones that are most literally the most reliant to
keep them alive by immigrants. And so from that level
to the high tech level, Donald Trump himself is saying,
we're gonna have to do something on H one B.
We're going to lose our competitiveness very very quickly if
we keep with this militarization, if we keep driving people out,

(39:02):
not let alone not allowing people in. So sorry about
the long diet tribe, but there's a huge opening to
have some courage to start defining what a pathway to
citizenship actually looks like. The big cudgel has been taken
out of your hand. The fear of the open border
stuff is gone. Now start doing something aspirational, get back
into the economic discussions by talking about what this looks

(39:23):
like in order to fix the economy, to have a
pathway to citizenship, to be more humane as humanitarian than
the Republicans are. You're already on good, strong, solid ground,
not just on this issue, which is a rarity. By
the way, it's very very rare for Democrats to have
higher public opinion approval ratings on immigration than Republicans. It's
very rare, but that's where we're at. But keep in

(39:45):
mind they're on positive territory and basically every public policy
and every political issue right now. How many times have
you seen a political party out of power have more
political power than the party in power? Like now is
that moment? Learn how to win, take a w start
moving the ball down the field and run up some victories.

(40:06):
And immigration is a great place to start with us.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
And you need bold leadership, you need a bold vision,
and you need champions and fighters who are willing to
go ten toes down on reformation, not restoration. And you
have to be prepared that the establishment and the establishment,
you know, Mike, I think we're gonna it's important. Establishment
includes Democrats and Republicans. The establishment includes the people who

(40:28):
are tied and tethered to the rologarchy, the old way
of things, whether it's due to race, whether it's due
to comfort, whether it's just to money, whether it's due
to their friends, right seniority. The people are done. Young
people are done, whether you like it or not. The
truth these young people now more identify more as democratic socialists,
where you have as many democratic socialist as MAGA. And

(40:50):
if you just step back and stop hyperventilating for a second,
why because they're like, the system sucks, the establishment sucks.
I don't give a shit about Democrats or repub books
because they don't get a shit about me. I don't
give a shit about the billionaires. They don't give a
shit about me. I want something different. So now you
have a wide open lane. This is generational opportunity. And

(41:11):
this is why I'm going to stress it. It's up
to us to push to push the democrats right, because
they can at least listen to push them to actually
embrace this economic populist message to lift everyone up and
get immigration reform. You can do it all, folks, And
we need to do this because we are suffering from
generational damage, the damage that Trump and MAGA has done.

(41:34):
All the experts that I've talked to, I'm sure you
have as well, Mike, people don't realize generational damage has
already been done. It's done. The question is is it
multi generational damage that's up to us? And Mamdanie. You
like him, you don't like him? What did he run
on affordability? Muslim brown immigrant eats with his hands? Oh

(41:55):
my god.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Democratic Socialists New York said, I don't give a shit.
I like his message.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
You know, AOC Latina Democratic socialist, Eh like.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
I don't care. She fights, you know, Bernie old Man,
I don't care. He fights right even on the flip side.
Donald Trump, what potential pedophile? Yeah, criminal, But he'll bring
down the establishment, sure, so wide open lane.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
He is weak. Epstein ain't going away. Economy is gonna
get worse. He's gonna overreach on immigration. These negative double
digits on Epstein, negative double digits on the economy according
to someples, these negative double digits on the immigration, I
think it's all gonna get worse, Mike. As it gets worse,
he gets more desperate. He's gonna overreach on all these issues.

(42:42):
I think you know he's at thirty seven. I let's
see my prediction he goes under thirty five by the
end of December, which would be is that. Do you
think he'll get to thirty five? I am I overreaching.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
No.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
I mean when you say it that way, there's all
the evidence of saying that you're right. I think it's
very possible. We'll see, if you know, I think that
could happen by January February. But I mean, not just
picking at detail, the fact that we're even talking about
him hitting thirty five. I mean, you're exactly right. Donald
Trump has had the hardest ceiling I've ever seen for

(43:16):
a politician. He's never been at fifty percent. He also
have a really strong solid floor. His range is like
two or three points in the low forties. When you
started talking about Trump hitting thirty five, like I was
watching this on the Lincoln Project and when I was
doing all the data work, we never hit thirty five
in the depths of COVID, like when people were willing
bodies out of overstack hospitals and putting them in freezer trucks.

(43:40):
I remember that that was a real thing. He never
hit thirty five. Is it possible. It's very possible. And
like I said, once that happens, the rats are going
to scurry off of the magt ship.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
They've got no choice. They've got a bail to save
their own lives and folks. He's at thirty seven right now.
So if you think I'm crazy, I don't. I see
lev On, I'm gonna invite him. I had a two
and Mike Nellis is here. I'm going to join Mike
for the first time tomorrow. I've invited lev Mike, thanks
so much for joining us.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
The sixteen hundred people who tuned in this is Mike Madrid.
He's a man who goes over the numbers. He's been
following these trends for thirty years. He's a co owner
of the Lincoln Project. Mike, shamelessly promote yourself and how
people can read you.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah, if you could follow me at the Great Transformation,
I write about these topics all the time. You're going
to get kind of a real analytical deep dive look
with data polling numbers. We'll do it county by county,
especially as we had into the midterms. It's a really
good follow I bring a lot of analysts on that
to campaigns for a living and so you'll get a
hopefully a unique perspective. Lev I see you there. Good

(44:45):
to see your friend. Yeah, I'll drop off now and
give you guys some room to keep coming now.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Man, thank you, Thanks Mike.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
And again Mike has been calling it, and Mike called it,
and you know, I had him on several months ago
and he said, just watch watch if he overreaches on
the economy. Trump over each of the economy and immigration.
All these people freaking ou about Latinos, they don't know
what they're talking about. I've been following this for thirty years.
These are Latinos for Trump. They're going to drop back
to the twenty sixteen numbers. And in the past two
weeks they have dropped back to twenty sixteen numbers. So

(45:14):
if you just want to focus on one group Democrats Latinos,
you can turn the tables by literally one over winning
over that one group, and that one group alone can
get you back the House and potentially even the presidency.
But you can also get over young people, women, Asian Americans.
It's right there in front of Democrats. Just trust the numbers.

(45:35):
Thanks Mike, talk to you much.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Talk.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
I keep keep fighting a good fight, Mike.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
You too, brother, keep hanging in there.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Lev, thank you so much for joining. I'm four minutes later.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
I was going to text you, but then I saw
you had joined LEVI and I were supposed to talk
on the weekend. We were going back and forth and
Lev was telling me about the great freak out that's
happening within the White House. For those who haven't paid
attention Epstein files, we've been saying ed Lev and I
have been talking since the summer. This is his achilles
cankels Folk. Donald Trump has freaked out Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Liv.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Let me put it this way.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
If you told me how not to behave I would
give you Donald Trump. If you told me how to
show the world that you are guilty as f I
would give you Donald Trump and his behavior since the
spring in what I have called the greatest political cover
up in my lifetime in modern history, the Epstein scandal.
Now he's turned on Thomas Massey publicly mocked him in

(46:31):
the most ugly way. Thomas Massey, regardless to what to
think about his politics, remarried after his wife died, and
he just mocked Massey and his wife. And then he
turned on Marjorie Taylor Green and surprise, surprise, leve Marjorie
Taylor Green and Thomas Massey are like, oh my god,
when Donald Trump attacked us, we've been getting threats. Oh no, shit,

(46:52):
that's what you've been doing for the past four years.
You had no problem going after Democrats, Bill Han, former
AOC David Hog, supporting the violent insurrectionists. And now when
the shoe is on the other foot, huh. But his
attack on Marjorie Taylor Green and his attack on Massy
is a sign of weakness according to me. And they

(47:13):
haven't flipped back. They're still standing strong. And now there's
a massive fissure, a massive fissure within MAGA, and Donald
Trump is doubling down on the Justice Department, going after
Obama and now he's going after you know, Letitia James
and James Comy and Bill Clinton, and you're seeing the
Epstein file drip drip drip, Left talk to us about

(47:34):
what you're hearing and your analysis of the great freak
out over the past three days.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Yeah, I know, it's the wat. It's been crazy. I
literally haven't slept all three days. I've been on the
phone back and forth. I like the way you call
it the great freak out of the White House, because
that's what you call it. I mean, he went from first,
he went to try. He thought he he no problem.
He was going to get Lauren Boubert or may or

(48:00):
Green to come back and you know, not sign the petition.
When he lost that, he started freaking out. We wrote
about it, We spoke about that. He started for forty
eight hours. He spent phone calls blasting it congresswomen, men,
trying to threaten them, ask them favors, what do you
call you name it? And he started seeing the writing
on the wall that there's an avalanche is coming, that

(48:22):
he's not getting the votes that we've been talking about.
And then he went to step plan B, Plan C.
He went to calling the senators. Lindsey Graham got his
team and work called thuon tuone. Actually, from what I
my sources are telling me, told him that he'll do
everything possible to even not even put up a vote
in the Senate to try to somehow block it, you know,

(48:45):
make it irrelevant. So but then, but then after making
more calls, he started realizing that the pressure that there
were over twelve congressmen that I'm hearing that, I mean senators,
excuse me, that we're planning on flipping, and that thuone
was not going to be able to the line. And
that's when they decided to go nuclear and announced the
contingency plan that if you will take a look, I

(49:07):
actually broke this two three months ago, right when we
first meet and you start talking about it in July
when we said keep an eye on the plan. And
what was the plan is they were going to go
attack the Clintons and some of the big names. But
that was not the key. See that's all, you know,
just to get the media to run it. The key
is the strategical part is think what they just did.

(49:28):
They went from in July sixth. What started this whole
thing is they came on and said that there's no criminality.
That's it. We're closing the investigation. Nobody did anything wrong.
We've extensively viewed it. Five the administrations looked into it.
The Democrats did nothing wrong. Republicans did nothing wrong. Yes,
Epstein is the only one that's it done. Then the

(49:48):
outcry and all of a sudden, now they opened up
the investigation. Investigation is not about convicting anybody. They're not
going to you know, I want to stop Clinton is
not going to prison criminality. It's strategically put. And that's
why will go over his tweet. Is strategically put to
be able to now see what is going to get

(50:09):
leaked out and what they want to give out for
AREO as far as they to counter the emails that
the linked they came out of the EPSTEIN. So this
is the plan that was put in effect. That's what
we've been talking about. But then Donald Trump, like I say,
can't keep it in his pants, like he even in
his tweet, like you know, that's why what he tweeted
out yesterday he said, yes, release the files. Because what

(50:33):
happened was he started getting pressure from Susie Wiles and
Russell Baud and Steven Miller, the people really there trying
to push their Project twenty five agenda, and there started
to see that everything is slipping. All of their plans.
I mean that they're not going to be because now
they're having a unified front going against Trump with the

(50:54):
Epstein files. So they basically said, go out there, you
already have the planet. Put Bondi's already scapegoat. Bondi's gonna
take the hit, just like she took the hit for
closing it. Now she's gonna take And you just go
out there and say, yes, release the files. You know,
Pam Bondi is the greatest. He's gonna We've given you. Look,
we got you, gave it Clinton, we gave you, you know,
Larry Summers. We're giving you stuff more than the you know,

(51:15):
play that whole thing. But even when he did that,
he wrote down that we'll only and he mentioned it
whatever legally whatever the terminology is in there, so he
can't keep it in his stance. But that's the plan.
Because what I'm hearing wash and this is why I
think this is tremendous, and I think that he's not
gonna be able And Pam Bondy and I got some

(51:36):
news for you that we're going to talk about in
a second. Also is but I'm hearing that we're going
to get over to ninety in the in the house
that it and it's we might we might have a
double majority, if you know, that's how this is picking
up speed. And if we get two thirds in both houses,
he loses the veto power. So this is why this

(51:56):
is there's a lot going on right now that this
is why all of a sudden and understands that, and
he can't go to war. That's why he came out.
And basically so now on tomorrow we have a tremendous avalanche.
He's going to try to take credit for it by saying,
I see, I told you everybody, and I open up.
So this is what's happening in the best of this
week and what I've been dealing with and what's going on.

(52:17):
But the key to it that we're going to talk
about in a second later on is damn Ba Gino.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
And we're gonna we've been We've been on Ben We've
been Benno for a while before we get to Ben Juno.
Just to recap and kind of parcel out what you
just said. Right now, I think Republicans realize it's just
a matter of time. There are too many cuts, there's
too many leaks. Specifically, the big leaks are the Epstein,

(52:47):
a state, which has documents that they've already sent over
to House Democrats. House Democrats have not released the entirety
of the trench of documents, all right, So there's a
lot of more damning stuff. And it's totally damning against
Donald Trump because he parted with Epstein for ten years
and Epstein said that he was Donald Trump's closest friend.
And Michael Wolfe has alleged Holme and others that he

(53:08):
has seen photo was given to him by Epstein with
young girls partying with Donald Trump, with young girls sitting
on his lap, young girls pointing at a wet stain
at his crotch and smiling. Right, So I think that
stuff's there. We have the survivors themselves that are now
more and more emboldened. Thankfully, they feel like people listen
to them. They have stories, thousands of them.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Right. You also then have Glenn Maxwell. Her ass ain't
gonna be in prison.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
He saw George Santos get pardoned, She saw a cz
A bin at to get part and you think she's
going to be sitting in jail forever. Who do you
think folks leaked the birthday book to the Wall Street Journal.
That's Glenn Maxwell. That's those three leaks.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
He has to plug.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
The fourth leak is that these dumbasses and Pam Bondi
and Cash Battil are so stupid, reckless that they allowed
thousands of FBI agents access to the Epstein files for
the sole purpose of redacting Trump's name. And they were
all operating off of the same Excel sheet that was
accessible to all of them, so some of them took photos,

(54:12):
probably copy pasted, and their whistleblowers there right and then
on this issue, since they've radicalized the Trump base for
the past ten years with QAnon and Pizzagate, their base,
once the release of the Epstein files, they were promised it,
and Bondi promised it, Kesh Buttell promised it, Dan Bongino
promised it. They riled up their base with these conspiracy

(54:33):
theories and now over seventy five percent of Americas, I
think the number probably has increased, want a demand to
the release of the Epstein files. So to me, that's
just the dam cracking, cracking, cracking, this is them putting
scotch tape.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
On the dam.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Lev is just a matter of when, and now you're
seeing LEV and it's so disgusting, it's so shameful, and
thankfully it's not working. You see Republicans and Megan Kelly
trying to shift, well, is fifth teen really pedophilia? I'm
not going to make this up, folks. I mean, it's
not pedophilia. It's not like a five year old. That's

(55:07):
what Megan Kelly said. It's not like a five year old.
It's like barely legal. No, it's illegal. Fifteen illegal. And
Michael Wolfe has said that you know Epstein and Donald Trump,
they chase models.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
That's what they did.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
That was how you proved that you were at alpha
male in the nineties, and the age of the models
was ages fourteen and nineteen. And there was a powerful
ad that came out during the weekend of these former
survivors holding the photos of themselves of girls when they
were raped by Epstein and Maxwell and probably other powerful men,

(55:39):
and they said sixteen sixteen, fourteen, fifteen, seventeen sixteen, all
this is going to come out, and furthermore, before I
give it back to you, liv just to bring the receipts.
Donald Trump has openly talked about, you know, like sexualized
comments about his daughter, sexualized comments about teenagers. It's all

(56:00):
air lev right. So this is just a matter of
drip drip, drip, drip drip when But what's interesting is
speaking about Dan Bongino. Is Bongino and Cash Bitil and
Pam Bondi rode the Maga wave and promised their base
they would release the Epstein files. And then in the
summer we all saw them come out white faced, ashen

(56:21):
eyes bugged out because I think they saw the files
and realized, oh shit, our king and Daddy's probably a rapist.
And then they did a complete one eighty. They did
a complete one eighty, and ever since they've done that
complete one eighty, Dan Bongino has been quiet as a
mouse fart. So talk and you've been on it. You said,
watch the Dan Bongino space, tell us about Bongino.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
So that's one of the reasons why I even set
up my GoFundMe is because what I'm planning on doing
wash and because nobody I've been screaming about Bongino, nobody's
acting on it. So what I'm planning on doing is
doing a little differently than most people out there. My
plan is simple, is I'm going to do to them
what they basically did it. I'm gonna be a part
of that is I'm not going to go out there

(57:04):
and debate policies. I'm not going to go out there
and talk about try to turn these mega and try it.
I'm going to go out there and expose them, and
I'm going to go out there and put them back
and up because most of those people never voted before
Donald Trump ever, and if a no vote is just
as good as a vote as a no vote for
Donald Trump is just as good for a vote for us.
And uh and that Brgino is going to be a

(57:25):
big part of what's about to take place because I'm
not going to allow him to stay quiet anymore. I'm
working with some groups behind the scenes where we are
going to put a major campaign on. I'm going to Washington,
d C. We are going to basically find them, We're
going to question, We're gonna we are not going to
allow him to hide. We are going to expose and

(57:47):
a lot and go people around them and make sure
that this start gets a lot more attention than what
it's getting because the second uh, and it's not just
that Bagino, like you said, because there's already a lot
of whistleblowers there ready to all it takes is that
one that first to crack is that that dam is
going to be coming out, because there's a lot of
people they already know. But the first step before we

(58:09):
get there is we need to write now. And that's
what I wrote my letter, and I think everybody should
do today and tomorrow is every single person should be
on the phones of sending the emails to your representatives,
to your senators, and making sure that if we could
get is the first two things. If we could get
two ninety two thirds in the majority in the House,
which is tomorrow, that's the first step. Then the next step,

(58:31):
if we could then do that in the Senate, we
take away a big part. We put them in a
corner where then there are left only with one ace,
and that is the DOJ and the FBI. And that's
why Mangino and all of these players will come in
to break that whole thing up. So we have a
plan of how to break it up. We just have
to keep pushing. We just have to keep calling you guys,

(58:53):
have to just keep doing what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
And how desperate.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Let me put this way, from what you know and
what we know, but from what you've heard, how desperate
is Trump right now?

Speaker 4 (59:07):
Extreme me I mean, I just looking at him from
knowing him, you know, you could you could tell even
in his movements and his so even the way he
talks to reporters, like you know, he started, he's very agitated.
People around him are saying that he's a snappy uh,
he's uh. I mean, he's pissed. He's he's pissed also

(59:29):
because he's losing the he lost the control of the
House and the Senate. Really, because he's starting to people
that are turning on him because he got so used
to where they basically he called and deb like with
the big Ugly Bill and all of that type of stuff.
The way he bullied and pushed, he kept pushing it
through all of a sudden, just like any bully. When

(59:50):
a bully all of a sudden, it's like even when
you watch these movies when the bully as it comes
out there and now there's that one guy, but there's
three hundred kids standing behind that little kid, and he's
standing by himself. That's what Trump is starting to see.
That's the it's not now it's not one Thomas Massy.
Now it's Marjorie Taylor Green. Now you got Lauren Bober.
Now you got and now you got all so and

(01:00:12):
those are his hard courser. So just imagine all of these,
like I keep saying, these congressmen and women that you
don't even know they're names. They're in the small little
you know, but they're looking at saying if Marjorie Taylor
Green could do with it, Bober could do it, we're
gonna do. And that's what you're seeing. And I spoke
to Don Bacon and he told me that you're you're
gonna see the fluggates open up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
And remember we talked about this was Swallwall I think
three weeks ago where he tweeted that a Republican colleague
allegedly texted him and said that it's just a matter
of when, uh these files get released, and once they do,
the house of cards will fall on Mega like it's
it's it's it's over. It's the Epstein files that will
well do it. And we haven't even talked about the
economy and the overreach on immigration. It's all bad, folks.

(01:00:56):
The economy is going to get worse, the trade wars terrible.
Americans have finally figured out that terror of our taxes.
They didn't vote for this, they didn't vote for high
grocery prices, high meat prices. Yeah, they got rid of immigrants,
and so what the economy still sucks. And now they
have ICE agents terrorizing Charlotte, North Carolina and Portland and
going after white people and zip tying kids. They're like,

(01:01:17):
what the f And now there's war against Venezuela and
they're like, who whoa? This is an America first And
now they're saying, it's really interesting. It's not just America first.
Now the new iteration of maga folks is America first,
America only, America first, America only. So you're going to
see a lot more anti Semitism come out out on
the open.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
And by the way, I'm sorry to touch you, but
I think it's also important to know this. Did you
see how Trump protected Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson, how
he basically didn't condemn that. Did you see that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
I did see that. When was that, oh.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Right before you got while I'm saying you could even
take a look before you got them that he was
one of his ex He was giving an interview and
they asked them about the Tucker Carlson interview of Nick Fuentes.
So he basically said, well, first of all, he said,
you know, Nick came there with you know, another guest
of mine. He brought him there, which was Kanye West.
And he goes, listen, you know. Then he also started

(01:02:14):
but not condemning, not saying anything bad. And then as
far as Tucker, he said, me and Tucker a great
we have a great relationship they have and Tucker, you know,
should you know he could invite anything. I mean basically
giving I mean, if you listen to that conversation, and
if you listen to the way he responds, I mean
I was blown. It was worse than when he said

(01:02:36):
there's good people on both sides.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
I just found it. I just found it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
Oh go ahead, go ahead, got it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Uh Palm Beach International Airport, six three pm ET yesterday.
Here's two Here are two quotes. Question from someone from
the press. Tucker Carlson recently had a friendly interview with
anti semi Nick Fuentes. What role do you think Tarker
Carlson should play in the Republican Party?

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Go for it quote.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
I found him to be good. He said good things
about me over the years. I think he's good will.
He let me finish my statement you're the worst. You're
with Bloomberg, right. I didn't even know why they have you.
Here's another question. Okay, here we go. Quote. We've had
some great interviews with Tucker Carson, but you cannot tell
them phot an interview. If he wants to interview Nick Fontes,
I'd end a match. Abatto reporter, you were with Nick

(01:03:23):
Fuentez at marl Lago. He dined with Nick Fuentes and
Kanye West two and a half years ago. And two
and a half years ago, I was on top of this.
I was on top of this, and the corporate media
just like whatever, no big deal. I'm like, no, folks,
this is a huge deal, the fact that he is
voluntarily dining with Nick Fuenttees.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
And then people are like, do you condemn him? Do
you condemn him? Do you condemn him? And he said
the same thing, I don't know who he is?

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
What huh? And then I believe it was The Guardian.
The Guardian was the only outlet that followed up on
this and said that the reason why Donald Trump two
and a half almost three years ago didn't condemn Nick
Fuentez is he realized that Nick fuent Has represents a
part of his base. Now you fast forward two and
a half three years, here you go, last night, Tucker Carlson,
Nick fuent has opened neo Nazi.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Nick Fwent is white nationalist. Nick Fuentes that my Nick
Fuentes grouper. Nick fuent has having a huge fight with
Roger twenty twenty five in Heritage Foundation because Kevin Roberts
came out a couple of weeks ago and said, yeah,
you want me to condemn Tucker Carlson.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Nah, And that's caused huge friction within the conservative movement
right now at the Heritage Foundation. At Donald Trump just
doubled down and said, Tucker Nick fuent has neo Nazi,
a person who praises Hitler, because that's the base.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
So this is a major fish. This is another major
fissure that's happening.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Absolutely. I mean, why this is and this is this
is what he's trying to keep because if we could
get these people to realize that Trump is not maggot,
Trump is not America for Trump is not for them.
Trump is a trader. They will not vote, they will
get pissed at Trump, but you can try to convin
to vote for Democrat because that triggers them right away

(01:05:03):
to automatically vote for Trump. So that's the strategic part
that if everybody got to do a little strategic someone
do it here, someone doing there. My strategic is to
go inside and do to them what we did, you know,
do a little bit of you know, you know how
they send in the seals before the everybody, Well, that's
what that. You know, me and my team we're gonna
be the seals. We're going to go in there and

(01:05:23):
we're going to cause a little ruckous inside the mega
world internally and let them, you know, understand, open their
eyes up who Donald Trump is and basically go back
into your caves. Yeah, go back into your caves.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
There's another interesting part that I want you to take
a look at that I'm looking into right now. Watch
that this is going to be big because in this
Epstein dump, you know, the one thing that I'm talking
about is what Trump is really scared about. Is, yes,
he's scared about the women, he's scared about the business,
But what he's really scared about is for people to
find out what Russia really has on him. Because we

(01:06:02):
now know for a fact that Epstein was working with
the Russians giving information on Trump, but also what I
realized by just going through and we were just on
with Dean Blundellum, we were going through some of the
emails and I realized there's an email there, the one
the Bubba, the blowing Bubba email. But everybody and everybody
was talking about the Blowing Bubba. But what's interesting about

(01:06:24):
that email is I'm not sure either Mark his brother
or Epstein is writing the email is saying did Bannon
give that picture to Putin? So basically we now have
understanding that Bannon had the community has a relationship with
Putin in twenty eighteen. Directly. This has never even talked about.

(01:06:48):
I mean, we've spoke about man for it, we spoke
about others. But now it's placing basically that Bannon who's
having conversations with Epstein where Epstein and his brother he
has no reason to lie, has no reason to make
it up as saying they're just, you know, whatever the
picture is. But the question is the more I think
important part and not the picture. The other picture is

(01:07:08):
whatever it is. But I think the important part is
that they're discussing, they're wondering if Bannon handed it over
to the Russians, so was Bannon. So now you know
the interesty part was Bannon giving information to the Russians.
I mean, how many people were giving information to the
Russian and what deals were being made and what compromise

(01:07:28):
do they really have on Trump? Because that is why,
and that's what I've been saying. Witkough is the point
person to all of this. He knows the dirt. He's
been with Trump for fifty years or so, you know,
since since the being used to be his lawyer, and
he's the only when Trump trust. That's why you don't
have people like Rubio going dealing with Putin and Kirio Dimetrie.
You don't have people like heg Sag, you don't have

(01:07:50):
any administry. You have people like Steve Witkof with no experience.
Why because they basically and think the other thing. I'm
connecting the dots. Every time Trump came out and spoke
really nasty about Putin, what happened was the first move.
If you go do a little history, Steve Whitcoff would
be summoned to the Kremlin, I mean literally summoned to

(01:08:12):
the Kremlin, and then right afterwards there would be a
whole new narrative that will come out. So what I'm
hearing from my sources I can't go into factually, but
when I do, I will this will be huge. But there,
you know, there is compromise. But it's not the compromise
that we were talking about back in twenty sixteen when
everybody was saying, yeah, when you know, not the P tape.

(01:08:35):
This is not P tape compromise stuff. This is financial stuff.
This is actual Epstein stuff that has to do with
underage models and stuff like that. This is stuff that
he did not in Russia, but stuff that he did
in the United States, unknowing to him that he was
being monitored, being fouled, and then when he became president,

(01:08:55):
people around him leaked all of this information to very
to the Russians. Was starting to see wasn't only Epstein,
it was also now Bannon, there's a Lincoln and others.
So this is so there's a lot more. Why he's
panicking right now is that the media and nobody's connecting
the dots. And that's what I wanted to give it
to you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
It's two it's two threads that this corporate media doesn't
really follow up on. As the financial thread the money
thread which connects Epstein to all these billionaires and potentially
to foreign countries, but also then potential foreign intelligence right,
because what we know is that Brock, who was the
former Prime Minister of Israel also the former head of Ideaf,

(01:09:34):
met Epstein many times and drops side a couple of
days ago had the emails that showed that Hoth Brock's
aid stayed at the Epstein apartment totally normal. And the
two countries that keep coming up as having potential ties
with Epstein, and we still don't know the ties, both
when it comes to Epstein giving them information and or

(01:09:59):
being used by those two countries, also the financial trait.
It's Russia in Israel. Those are the two countries that
keep coming up again and again and again. And furthermore,
as we know all these powerful people that apparently visited
Epstein's island or his New Yark penthouse where Epstein rape girls,

(01:10:21):
we also know that Epstein had video cameras everywhere. So
if you're a foreign country and you want someone compromised
and you want to use someone lev what better way
than to use Epstein and the blackmail that he has
on these people and also on remind people because Zev
always reminds us this is that Trump and Epstein both

(01:10:44):
open up and account with the Deutsche back on the
same day, and Deutsche Bank has been the primary vehicle
for Russian oligarchs to do some shady, shady stuff. I
would love to see those two threads, the financial thread
and also the thread to foreign countries.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
I think they're connected.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
The one thing I would love to see is for
the media to stop with the bullshit. I mean, I
could I want to throw up today When I heard
breaking news and then Trump did a one eighty, I
felt like I'm in a wonderland, like this was a
Russia all over again. Trump didn't one eighty. He now
wants to release what happened? What changes? Are you kidding me?
Stop with the ship one eighty? Like what they mean?

(01:11:27):
It's like everybody, I mean, my twelve year old understands
what's going on, Like, I mean, this is the and
he knows it. He plays it. But I'm telling you, yeah,
you're right. The threads, the financial thread and the SPA
I mean, being a compromise. Look, look, we need to
I think as a country as get past certain things

(01:11:49):
where we're saying why why I mean, it's we already
I mean, we already understand. It's just like Epstein was
more than just a pedophile. We could see it in
the in the conversation, we could see it in the
email Doumbs. We could see in the criminal I mean,
we could. But the other thing I want you to
also think that's very you know, suspicious, is in twenty eighteen.

(01:12:11):
End of twenty eighteen, you're seeing these email threads of
how Epstein a with Wolfe, is talking about how he
could have stuff over the president of the United States.
You see Epstein talking about how he could give the
Russians information about Trump that could nail him. You see
him talking about you know, the memes sending back and
talking about the band and give this effort. So you
see Epstein being heavily involved towards the end of twenty

(01:12:33):
eighteen about involved in President somehow and another through different
sources of blackmailing or extorting or controlling Trump. You see
this in a different from with different people. What happens
literally six months later, he gets arrested by Bill Barr,
same as me, literally, but not to an open investigation,

(01:12:54):
but to shut him up. This is this is this
is this is, this is the life. So there's a
lot more that Trump is trying to hide and protect
then just some pictures or some you know that what's
the closing. And that's why I think you're one hundred
percent right there. This is this is more than just financial.
I think the chain of worldwide. I mean, and that's

(01:13:16):
and that is why, folks, it's been covered up by
five administrations because this is some and and and I'm
not saying that's a good thing, but that's because this
is this is a volcano that needs to erupt already
and we need to clean this up. And it doesn't
matter blue, red green, I don't give a ship who
you are. Let's get these I mean some of them

(01:13:37):
probably already passed away. I mean, think about five administrations.
You're talking about decades of you know, like a.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Lot of them are left. A lot of ours beyond
black Leslie Wexner is alive, Bill barrs a live, Steve
Bannon's alive, Peter Thiel's alive, elond Trump is alive live,
uh who Barack is alive? And I think you're right.
It goes goes back to the rock the corrupt that
I was talking to Mike Madrid about and you're seeing

(01:14:04):
it's going to be tied in directly to I think
this message of the one percent screwing over the rest
of us, the rich and the powerful and the billionaires,
thinking that they can rape girls and get away with it.
Them covering up each other's sins, them covering up the
Epstein files, them going to the island and you know,
having sex on Lalita Express, which was the name of
Epstein's private jet, where he claims that Milani and Donald

(01:14:27):
Trump had sex. Them trying to have you know, all
of our cakes and our crumbs and getting permanent tax
cuts for the rich as the rest of us starved
to death. You know, there was an Ultimate Fighter, a
UFC fighter, and you know UFC for those who've been
following sports, you know, I've said UFC is an in
kind donation to Donald Trump and MAGA, like literally it
just like it's just an extension of MAGA and UFC

(01:14:49):
is sadly for Beteral Works is very influential. And Dana
White was invited by Donald Trump on election night to
come to the stage like we're in idiocracy. The president
of you was invited onto the stage where then he
thanked Joe Rogan and Theo Vaughn and all these other
losers for helping Donald Trump win. You're seeing a crack
in this where I don't know if you saw this,

(01:15:10):
you know, I'm so glad this fighter said this. There
was a UFC fighter who was asked, I think just
a couple of days ago, you know, Donald Trump has
proposed hosting UFC fights on the White House lawn, and
Brandon Royball he said this, And I think this is
important because I think it's all connected to what you're saying,
the growing rage against the billionaires, the rapists, the criminals,

(01:15:31):
those who just look at us like we're just dirt
or trash or property. He says, it's like to fight
in front of them seems like some effing hunger gains
type of effing shit. I don't give a f to
fight in front of some effing billionaires and rich people
that could give a shit less about me. And that
was one of these public breaks from between MAGA and UFC,

(01:15:57):
and a lot of people are like, Yeah, why should
I go fight to the death in front of a
billionaire who don't give a.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Shit about me?

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
The Colosseum, like exactly, and this is a Folks, if
you don't follow UFC, I'm telling you, it is in
kind donation to Mega like they worship Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
So the fact that you're seeing now, he's not the
only one. There's another MAGA fighter excusing the MMA fighter.
Might as well call him a MAGA fighter who came
out and said I'm done with Donald Trump. Right, So
you're seeing this. You know, people need to connect the dots.
I think, folks again, I know I sound like a
broken record. Prologarchy, the one percent, one percent, one percent.
If you can connect Epstein to the prologarchy, you can

(01:16:33):
push to an economic message. You can push for affordable healthcare,
you can push for ammigration reform, you can push our accountability.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
It's not just Epstein.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
What we've seen is it's an entire cabal of powerful,
wealthy men and some women who raped girls for like
you said, twenty plus years, and I will also say
this level.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
In the summer, Nancy Pelosi.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Was asked about the Epstein files and I keep receipts
and MSNBC asked her about it, Chris Jansen, you know
what Nancy Pelosi said, What don't people care about? You know,
kitchen table issues, this is just a distraction. And I'm like,
why would Nancy Pelosi, who knows the numbers in the polls,
see that this is a winning political issue for Democrats

(01:17:18):
and then say, well, well, this is just a distraction.
And to me, I have no proof. To me, she
was probably trying to cover up from some powerful Democrats
live proministrations. We're probably in these files. It's a big club.
You ain't in it. And I think the people are

(01:17:39):
waking up. And I agree with you, Lev, I think
this is the story. I've been seeing it for a while.
I think it's not just Epstein and Trump. I think
the more you pull out this thread, it will unravel
and you're going to get a lot of spiders caught
in this. A lot of folks have questions that need
to be answered and dripped, drip drip. This guy, this guy,

(01:18:03):
he can't escape it and and I think he's going
to get really, really desperate.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
I have a question for you, because you know Mago World.
Why is pat and Bondi, Cash Pattel and Dan Bongino
have they decided to think with the ship?

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
Well, Pam Bondi and a Cash Pattel, Yes, Dan Bongino No,
that's that's why they you know, pambond Cash Pattel is
one of those like he's like he's been like he's
he doesn't even know what world. He's in, very nice,
traveling private jets. He has a girlfriend. He you know,
he's trying to fix.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
It's not making up, folks. He's using tech for dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Yeah, to take that sixty million dollars jet to go
meet his honeypot girlfriend.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
Yeah. Yeah, so of cash ptels And you know that's
what I'm saying to you. Pam Bondy, she's all in.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
She once she took the hit with closing that because
that was the first once she took the hit with
closing it. Now she's like there's you know, she's down
with what with the ship? Uh, Bongino, that's a joke
or that. I think we're going to be able to exploit.
I think he just needs to put We need to
put some pressure on him. I think we need to

(01:19:07):
put some cameras in front of him. I need to
we need to get some people that are associated around him,
that work with him, that you know, know him, uh,
and get some stuff to come out because you know,
I think we need him on the record. Let him
come out and say, let him say that he supports
Trump and clothes. Let him say something he hasn't. He
hasn't been on the record since the day he left
the office. So, you know, for somebody that's been so

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vocal about it, I think we need to have him
go on the record and say what does he feel,
especially being the second in command of the FBI and
somebody that saw the records and knows what's going on,
and you know, even to the fact that ask him,
why do you agree that there should be an investigation
opened up into the Clintons. I mean anything, I mean,
there's no questions. I mean, just let's ask anything. You know,

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there's no questions if we asked. And you know the
media is around there, so I know there's a lot
going on. I know the media is all over the place.
You know, they try to chase that, you know, you know,
shiny next story. But we have a plan, just like
me and you out here, you know, and others fighting
the fight get exploiting there, but we're gonna take it

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to the to the ground. We're going to go out
there and I think the next year we're gonna You're
gonna hear a lot of a lot of interesting stuff.
Because remember the one thing I kept trying to tell everybody,
even the investigators, when you know I was cooperating with
the House Intelligence Committee and testifying, I was saying, the
one thing about you got understand is there's no loyalty
in any of that group. They are all in their

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separate little quarters. It's like Bannon and Rudy and and
you know what's her name, Laura Lumer and Tucker Carlson.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
There's no on each other.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
Now, that's why, because there's no they were always you know,
it's because it's they try to get Trump's attention. They
they try to go even more whackier, even more crazier,
even more. That's why you see, you know the two
governors who are the two main idiots constantly going out
there and outdoing themselves, Abbot and the Santas. They just

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if Abbot goes and says I'll deport one hundred people,
Desantists will take a plane with two hundred and send
them to You know what I'm saying, It's like they
try to are doing. Then you have and that's the
group of people. So but it's the I could tell
you one thing that a lot of people are realizing,
and that he is off the rails. A lot of

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people are starting to realize that he's he's he was
never about America first, there's always about himself. A lot
of people are starting to realize the money and the
bitcoins and all of that. I'll even tell you another thing, Like,
you know, I spoke to a lot of some of
these big bitcoin guys and they're really scared, like right now,
because they're understanding that you know, once Trumpet, you know

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another year, you know, once the Democrats, once real people
take control, once there's a real DJ I mean, you know,
all of these people making billion, millions and billions of
dollsand bitcoin, I mean, investigations are going to open because
we got you guys. If everybody needs to understands on them.
For every person that makes money in bitcoin, somebody loses
money in bitcoin. It's it's one, it's there's no other way.

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So you know you're hearing about this. So there's a
lot of people that are starting to get worried and like,
you know that this wave is not going to last forever,
and it's not like so that's why you know, I
keep saying, we just got to keep the pressure on.
We got to keep the pedal to the medal. We
got to keep the first things versus you know, make
sure you spread the message. You know, becoming paid free

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subscribers is the number one thing we always talk about
because that builds the community that gives the message because
three four people, three four people, three four people, and
eventually the whole country is understanding what's going on because
the media is not doing it. It's people, you know,
in dependent journalists like Wash, They're out here, they're breaking
these I mean, he's out here literally every time I
turn on a Substackic Washes interviewing somebody. I don't know

(01:22:56):
how you do it. I don't know. Amazing because and
it's every different subjects and it's great because he's keeping
people informed. So that's why it's important, you know. Like
so that's why I say, right now is the time
that we you know, like I said, keep the pedal
to the medal more than ever, do not no matter
what he's going to try to do, everything he might

(01:23:17):
invade Venezuela like he might do, don't let him get
right now, keep it. We have a unity. Right now,
the country is united, and we're united. We want to
know why you're covering up for this pedophiles, what's in
those Epstein files. And until we get to the bottom
of it, we don't let it go. And that's how
we take our democracy back. And then we could be

(01:23:37):
at each other's throats talking about policy, disagreeing, agree because
you know, at the end of the day, that's what
America is great, because right after that we'll be grabbing
drinks together at the ballgame and laughing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
I hope so, inell I hope so, folks.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
That's that's what we need to keep up the pressure
and it's going to be a long walk.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
The damage has been generational. We have to reform and rebuild.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
But but there's cracks, and as lev is saying, you know,
because Levi and I are massachists, we follow this so
you don't have to. Laura Lumer and Benapiro are against
Nick Puenteth and Carcker Carlson and Candice Owens is against
now MAGA and doing her conspiracy theories, and Tim Dillon
and some of the bro comedians are walking away from

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Donald Trump, and Joe Rogan is like, hey, hey, maybe
I shouldn't be terrorizing people, and people are realizing it's
hurting their bottom line.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
And we have Marjorie Taylor Green who's horrible by this,
She's terrible. Use her as an instrument, but know she's terrible.
Her and Massey, use them, let them divide, divide and conquers.
So what the British did? Weaken them? Weaken them, weaken
them from every angle, the economic angle, the overreach angle.
When it comes to Ice and especially Epstein, Epstein is
his Achilles Cankele. He cannot escape Epstein. The ghosts and

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sins of his past are threatened to bring him and
Maga down. I think they eventually will. It is our
job to keep up the pressure on him, but also
the Democrats and the corporate America and the establishment who,
as Lef said, man, it's been five administrations, a lot
of powerful people, a lot of powerful people wanted to
protect themselves and Inshalla and Shalla.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Hopefully these names will be come out to light. Live shameless.
You promote yourself, folks.

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You know this is our home. Substack Levy members, please
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I'll be giving you updates as we go along. But
the first step, as we're trying to get to Washington,

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d C. To really cost some heavoc to Donald Trump.
So whatever your support, God bless you, thank you when
whatever you have left. I know Wash has like twelve
thousand kids and he's never.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
You have twelve flouts.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
I have eight hundred kids, has twelve thousand kids, and
we're capitalists.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Left took. Everything is free.

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Give some money if you can, If you can, at
least subscribe and spread a good word. Today was a
super sized episode for those nearly twenty eight hundred people
joining us. The first half we had Mike Madrid, co
founder of the Lincoln Project, former Republican. I think we
have two former Republicans. It's important. And Mike really loves
the numbers and the data and really digs down into
the data and backs up with lev Is saying with

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the latest data that shows the cracking support among Latino's
young voters, even among some MAGA voters over Epstein, economy
and immigration. And then lev Here comes in and tells
you about what's happening within the Trump administration and within
MAGA and how Dan Vongino he might be the weak link.
Lev has been saying it since the summer. He says,

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look at Ben Gino, Bongino might be the weak link.
And you're seeing some of these rats flee the ship.
I think we should make their lives as uncomfortable as possible.
I want to remind people how terrible MTG is and
Candice Owens is. They're all going to try to flee
the ship. Flee the ship they will. This is how
the town works. Everyone fails up. But just make it
a bit uncomfortable for them, folks. Thank you for watching

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twenty eight hundred people. This will be up later on
my substack and left substack for those who missed it
without paywall. Be kind to each other, be informed, and please,
oh please, don't be a fascist. Thank you lot, Thank you, sir.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
Take it