Military Chaplain vs. Demons: 25 Years of Spiritual Warfare to Set Captives Free with Steve Dabbs

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Crossfiles podcast, otherwise known as the Strange
o'clock Podcast. We have a very special guest tonight, Pastor
Steve Dabs, who was available on a very short notice,
so I'm so glad that he responded to my email
to him through his website Steve Dabs dot org. He
spent thirty five years and the military Air Force to
speak back, and he spent twenty five years as a

(00:23):
chaplain to the people in the military. And he's also
an author of the book called When Demon's Service. It's
an excellent book which I read in parentheses. I actually
listened to it, so I cheated, but I didn't recognition it,
so didn't speak. And he's a pastor and a deliverance
minister and a life coach and so you can read

(00:43):
all about him at Steve dads dot org. So welcome
Pastor Steve. I also have my partner in crime, Michael Bashant.
He's one half of the File podcast. And you have
our special podcast friend, Don Elliott. She has her own
podcast called a New Dot Podcast. And then of course
Michael has his own podcast in which he just goes

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live on Facebook almost every night, but that's called The
Spirit force or spirit wars. So welcome, Pastor Steve. Thank
you so much for your time tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Hey, thank you so much for inviting me. And it's
my honor.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Oh, the honor is all our. Thank you as an
honor of pleasure. They have you on floor. Thank you
so much, Pastor Steve. Can you tell us how you
became delivered minister in your time as a chaplain?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I can tell you this. One of the things is
quite naturally. I'm I love biblical research. That's where all
my academic studies in. I've done like eight years full
full time academic Bible research and always fascinated with the scriptures,
historical research, early Church, ancient Judaism, Hebrew and Greek, the

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original languages of the Bible. And so for me, I'm
excited at any topic of Bible or theology that I
can delve into. I can say this, should I say
when it comes to supernatural or the spiritual warfare element
that all caught me by surprise. I never looked into it.
I never had any interest in it, and so all
of this was I should I say. I was forced

(02:13):
into the front lines of the battle, and it started
when I date, when I've submitted myself to the lordship
of Jesus Christ as a teenager, and of course we
can always come back to it if you desire. But
many people have already heard my stories my testimony online
that I was trying to make a deal with God
for my soul and I had a vision that same

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night of falling into the fires of hell, and I
was awakened by my tormented screams, and so, as a
sixteen year old with now having post traumatic stress as
a result of that, I pretty much stopped dating, gave
my life to Christ, and committed to a living for him.

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And I could tell you I did not have any
demonic encounters of until I did that, so shortly after
that's when I started, I tell people all Hell broke lose.
That's when I started having the demonic attacks, paranormal activity
in my bedroom, sleep paralysis, the whole nine And of course,
skipping years ahead, I became a military chaplain And when

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I went into the chaplaincy, I started meeting people from
all walks of life and backgrounds, and they were having
demonic attacks, spiritual warfare battles, and some of those battles
were worse than my own, and so when I retired
from the military shortly after, that's when I decided that

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it was high time to maybe write about it, since
it was such a prevalent issue that I dealt with
in my pastoral counseling, and that very few churches were
even talking about it. And of course I know we'll
get to that eventually. The question about how what about
the modern day church and what should they be doing
in light of spiritual warfare and why they don't talk

(04:03):
about it. There's some reasoning for that, but I can
tell you that's why I'm writing about it. If anything,
I had people in the military that came to me,
again from all backgrounds, racial, ethnic, religious, and one of
the jobs, even lower ranking individuals, civilians all the way
up to high rank and commanders and executives. So many

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of my people today they come to me. They're psychiatrists,
even psychologists, therapists, archaeologists, anthropologists, pastors, professors, and so I
leave you with this before we move to the next question,
what did That's my biggest takeaway from that is spiritual
warfare is a universal conflict in which no human is exempt. Amen. Yes,

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that so true? Live that actually was there.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
A specific encounter something specifically. Maybe that happened that where
you saw that Jesus saw the power of Jesus help
someone break free.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Oh, that happens regularly. On a regular basis, I see
Satan fall like lightning from the sky. I can tell
you that if you go back and look at Luke
chapter ten, the disciples come back and tell Jesus high five,
and that they're they're toasting wines of glass, glasses of wine,

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and they're excited, they say, they tell Jesus, Jesus, you
won't believe it. These demons listen to us when we
use your name. It's amazing. And I could tell you
there are many days I feel like Tom Cruise in
top Gun, stepping out of the fighter jet and walking
across the tarmac and just accomplished a great defeat. I

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feel that way sometimes. But Jesus reminds his disciples and
even us today. He says, don't just rejoice that the
demons obeyed me when you use my name, but you
need to rejoice that your name is written in the
Lamb's Book of Life. Again, I can The book has
over fifty true stories in it, and since then I

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could tell you I can match that in then some
I have more. I have hundreds of stories of telling
you witnessing Satan's defeat, witnessing him all like lightning from
the sky, thanks me to God, and I can tell
you it's all because of the glorious, powerful name of
the Lord Jesus Christ. I'd love to hear one.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
I haven't had a chance to read the book yet.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Okay, I'll share one that's not in the book. How
about that? Okay. I had a lady. She contacted me
and she said, look, I spent many years in witchcraft,
and she says, I was actually at that time moving
into Satanism, and I had also trained to be a medium.
So she had what I call the trifecta she had.

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She was a witch, Satanism and a medium. And she
said that her spirit guides were angels, fallen angels. One
spirit guide was an alien from out of space. It's
interesting that even though these were angels and aliens, they
acted like demons. And yeah, interestingly, for those that are

(07:31):
in the UFO thing topic phenomena, it's a it's interesting
that people in my field in demonology, when we're dealing
with alien life, they act like demons. They take people captive.
We call it all day. What's the word they when
they come and they picked people up and I'm sorry, Yeah,
they're abduct to just think about their word for a moment.
Who abducts? So they're taking you against your wheels, doing

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things against you. Some of those are sexual. You didn't
give permission for it to be sexually assaulted. So they're
doing sexually assaulting people, taking them by force, doing experiments
on them. So they sound, they act in sound just
like demons. And when people use the name of Christ,
they stop, so they respond like a demon would when

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you use the name, when you use the name of Christ.
So this lady again was she had the trifecta. So
she goes to a church. She gives her life to
Christ because she realizes at some point, hey, the I
am dealing with demons, and so she submits to the
lordship of Jesus Christ. But she still has a problem.

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There's one specific demon that will not leave. So she
goes to a church. They try to cast the demon out,
and the demon takes over her body and it tells
them it says, I am not leaving until the Holy
Spirit tells me to. So think about that for a moment.
It's a weird statement theologically that this particular demon was

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stating that it was not going to leave her until
the Holy Spirit tells him to. And so they tried
to cast it out and says, I'm not going anywhere,
and so that didn't work. So she went to another
church and after about a few hours of that, excuse me,
the church told her we can't help you. And so
I don't know how it happened, but she found me online.

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She sent me an email and sure enough, I set
up a zoom session. We're not even getting through the
zoom session when this entity would take over her body
and start trying to talk to me. And so every
time we would have a conversation, the entity with the
surface in her manifest and interfere with the conversation and

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interjected itself. So I used the authority of Christ to
silence it and give her back the use of her
body and mind and voice. And I remember one time
it took over again. It was just it was an
arrogant spirit. It was She's just arrogant when you're around
somebody that's arrogant, braggadocius. When the spirit would take over
her body, it was just that same personality, and I

(10:10):
asked him, I said, hey, why are you still resident
in this child of God and you're not willing to
leave it? I know, of course, me saying this is
raised up a very controversial question because now I'm saying
that a person can be a Christian can be demonized.
So that's an interesting conversation. I just had a podcast
on that. And so she's a believer and she's demonized.

(10:32):
I know that's troubling for some of the listeners, but
it is happening to this lady, and it's happened to
several people, and which is why it's a big deal
now in the church. A lot of pastors are starting
to re examine their views on this. It pretty much
it tells me the same thing it told that the
other churches. It says that I'm not leaving until the
Holy Spirit tells me to. So at that point, I've

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been experienced enough to know what that means. That means
that she had an open doorway and that she needed
to the door. So I take her through a series
of renunciations and prayers, and right when we get to
the end. Now that's interesting. My demons of intelligent beings.
So the demon knew that at this point in the

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juncture of my my my prayers that I used that
pretty much admit that he was going to be expelled.
And so that arrogant demon rose up and right before
she was about to say the part of the prayer
that the declaration that required him to depart, it says,
I think I'm going to leave her now. And so

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instead of just conceding defeat the demon before she made
the declaration of the part from me now in the
name of Christ Jesus, it decides to depart on voluntarily
and not sorry I have Yeah, she did. She had
an open door. Yeah, And I knew that, and I

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knew that the best way to do this is think
about in the military. I'm a chaplain, of course, but
I minister the warriors. And when when I when the
warriors went into Iraq, they had to employ a tactic
called urban warfare. So they just go they went from
house to house, kicking down doors until they found terrorists.
And so that was the most effective way to fight

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that battle. So I knew that spiritually that was the
tactic that I would have to use because that demon
was not forthcoming. As to what door he entered and
would not leave? And what's what door is still open?
And I just went through these series of prayers kicking
down doors? Is it? This? Is it that? Okay, we're

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gonna renounce everything. We're just gonna go buy the book
and buy every particular area where there is particularly entry points,
and we're just gonna kick all the doors down until
we find a spiritual terrorist. And that's what we did.
Found him, and he decided at that point, hey, when
I just raise my hands and surrender and voluntarily leave.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
And so he did leave.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
That the devil wasn't it. He wasn't tricking you and
trying to keep some legal right. He was Actually he
did leave.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
He did wow. And as matter of fact, two weeks
after that, I wrote her back because the thing was
tormenting her. It was doing I don't know how much
we could talk about, but just put it this way,
no human issue is off limits when it comes to demons.
So it think about every aspect of your body, from
the top of your head to the soles of your feet,

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all of that is impacted in these battles. So she
was being impacted in private ways. The demon made himself
known and so after that, I didn't hear back from
her for two weeks. I said, wait a minute, like
to know if my ministry was effective. So I contacted
her and she just wrote me back. She said, oh, yeah,
I'm good. I haven't had any problems. All this clear

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in the military. When we finish a battle, all clear
for our artituy workuds.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
So what other kind of parallels do you see between
being in the military and what you engage us us
thirty five years, the twenty years, twenty years in the
Air Force, and fifteen years in Witch Branch.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Sir.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
I spent ten years in the Army Reserves, and I
did see combat. I did do my first combat tour
in the Army Reserves nineteen years old.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
And bless you, sir.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
You have a time machine because you look like you're
twenty five. But what kind of parallels of the strategic
what you actually experienced and what you're doing now with
this ministry, Sir.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Here's what may shock you what we see in the
natural world. Most of those tactics are already happening in
the unseen round. We are still catching up to the
sophistication of what demons do and how they battle us.
But there are common things that I see. You notice

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that anytime you meet a military person, how do you
know their military they're wearing a uniform. Typically, what kind
of uniform are we wearing? Camouflage? Why are we wearing camouflage?
Because we're gonna blend in. Demons are the same way.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
Oh, that's good.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
They want to blend into the environment. They want to
be undetected. And normally when you detect them, that's when
you see the manifestations. Either they're threatened or they're detected.
Three ways. Three let me go back to three. Three
ways you see a demon manifest either they are detected,
either they feel threatened, or they're they're feeling very bold.

(15:44):
Hey what are you gonna do about it? Wow?

Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yeah, the pride spirit definitely gives them away. They're not
good at being humbled.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
Sir. I'm so blessed to know you.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
I just got off the phone with a deliverance pastor
just got ordained. He wrote his first book. He's like
in his thirties. My grandfather wrote books about deliverance. Don Bashiam.
I'm going through his other book right now, but.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I got his book on the moment you're kidding me,
that's my grandfather.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
You have deliverance thole. Okay, we're working on getting that line,
but we need.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's why I said yes to geral Lea because when
you told me down Bashroom was your grandfather. That's how
I signed me up.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
That is so encouraging, That is so but I.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Was excited when I saw when I was told that.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
I'm deeply honored and just thrilled that people are still
interested in this. And we're working on getting the ministry
back online because Derek Prince ministries, my uncle runs that
is doing a great job.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
But we need to have I think.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
More fine tuned and actual, live hot ministers like yourself,
as in you're engaging the enemy full time, not just
writing books and putting them out there. Like man, it's
such a it's so exciting. So I'm a deer in
the headlights now and you want to take the next question,
but just anything the Lord ship.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
Like my grandfather used to say, he got pulled into
the Deliverance ministry, dragged into it because he was already
teaching on the Holy Spirit. But then he started to
see this great, this vacuum in the charismatic church and
the church. So was it a similar experience for you
or I mean, you had all kinds of other ministry
going on, but the deliverance side of it, it's uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
It is I don't think people naturally sign up. If
anybody says, hey, I just I am just curious about
this stuff, I want to join, that's just not that
would be weird to me because it doesn't just there's
a difference. As anybody you talk in the military, the
closer you get to the front lines, the battle is
more fierce. So I don't know anybody that says, hey,
I want to get on the front lines where there's

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fierce battle, and normally we want to be with our
natural instincts are to protect ourselves safe, go on ourselves
and our loved ones. Anybody that joins this particular ministry,
you put your You put yourself and your loved ones
at risk, even because demons will retaliate and they will
do that. Family members and so all of my family

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members when I went down this pathway of writing, even
I can tell you we had four cars that we
totaled for we imagine that we had in our immediate family,
between my wife and my children, we had four cars
that were totaled rex and so let me just let
me share that with you. Let me stop there for
what I've shared this, but this will be the first

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podcast I will share this on. So when I started
writing the book, my wife was sitting at a red light,
law abiding red light, a law abiding system, and all
of a sudden, a twenty something year old rams her
in the rear of the car going about fifty miles
an hour. Obviously he was texting and looking down, and

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so she we total that car out and she had
to go to the hospital. She still has back issues
as a result that.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Oh I'm so sorry.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
And then my son was going to work one day.
He's on a highway driving about to hit a ramp
and exit, and all of a sudden, the car gets
out of control. Boom, he runs into a barrier, totals
his car out. I had another son because of my
wife's back issue she was he helped to come over
and help to get the flower bed and put the
mulch out and everything. He's on his way home. He's

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ran off of the road by big old mac truck
and that came over him and pushed him into a field,
toted his car out. And then my daughter was actually
on her way home from work and a car, a
big ol' suv driven by a teenager who was not
who ran a stop sign, hit her te bone her,

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knocked her into a field, toted her car out. In
the last story, we were I was on the highway
when traffic had died down. I was on the Dallas
toad Way, very open, so it was only three cars
on the road. It was me. It was a car
in the in the slow lane, and there was a

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and then let me say car was in the middle.
Let me just say hi, because I was in the
fast lane. So there was a car in the middle.
They don't know if we get a little feedback there, Okay,
we got it. Basically, there was a car in the
middle lane. I'm in the fast lane. There's a truck
carrying furniture in the slow lane. And so I'm driving

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down the road in the fast lane. I'm doing at
least I'm on the Dallas toll Way, I'm doing at
least eighty miles an hour because I think the speed
limit is seventy five. And I'm one of them guys.
I believe in the spirit of the law. I just
put the cruise control on five above eighty miles an hour.

Speaker 6 (20:48):
The truck in the slow lane speeds for some reason,
the truck in the slow lane carrying furniture speeds up
in the slow lane and pull eventually into the fast lane.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
The car. The truck had to be doing at least
ninety miles an hour. I don't understand why the person
carrying the furniture felt the need to be doing ninety
something miles an hour to it pull up in front
of me. I heard a voice. Very few times in
my life I hear God's audible voice. I heard an
audible voice say move over and move over. Now. I

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move over into the slow down. I move over into
the middle lane so that I'm avoiding this truck. Ten
seconds after I move over into the middle lane, of
a big old couch comes off of that sofa, off
of that truck and falls into that lane. Had I

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remain in the fast lane behind that truck, there's no
telling what I would have done swerving to try to
either avoid hitting that couch or that couch hitting the
car and causing me to have a severe car wreck.
And so I remember that day going to my prayer
closet and asking God, Hey, wait a minute, Father, what's

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going on here? Why is it that we're being attacked
through car wrecks? And then it dawns on me when
I was watching the news that day. You know how
many people die, how many fatalities we have in America
from car wrecks every day, about one hundred and forty
thousand a year. So Satan decided to retaliate against me

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in writing this book through one of the most dangerous
things that you do every day that we take for granted,
and that's cranking up that car and getting on the road.
And you can be the safest driver on the planet,
but you can be killed in a car wreck by
the unsafest driver.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Absolutely, I definitely can see that the enemy was trying
to snuff you all out, or at least cause a
lot of damage. The enemy knows that he can't necessarily
take you out without the permission of the Lord, so
he'll try to do everything that he can to squelch
your ministry, to derail you from writing that book or

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publishing it or what have you. I know, I've been
there myself for sure. I heard some heroin stories with
some people that produced that movie nefarious about that demon
possessed Eli Bro. I don't know if you saw that
or not, that I definitely highly recommend that movie as well.
And what I heard all the things that they went

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through health issues and car accidents and that were just
super normal, that are way above par than the average
health issues and crisises and what have you. Pastor Steve,
a question for you. A lot of Christians, I would say,
almost like ninety percent of Christians or even more just

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totally disavow and denounce any agreement that a Christian can
be demonized. And just a little a quick comment as well,
and I know that for years self included that I
made a differentiation between oppressed from without and possessed from within.
And the question that people will ask in general, will

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they'll ask can a Christian be possessed? And my answer
was always before the last five or ten years, was
a Christian can be oppressed, but not possess. Pastor c
can you address that misconception that a Christian cannot be demonized?

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Absolutely? I would say that the current and past generation
would be the first in all of church history that
pretty much struggles with that that notion. I would say
that the early Church throughout up up until even the
Protestant Reformation, it was taken for granted that a Christian
could be demonized. They believed it, and they believed it

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because they saw it their historical testimonies to that. These
are historical cases of people who were demonized and it
was they literally had to go through exorcism. So it's
I would say to anyone listening to this, it wasn't
until probably two hundred years ago, or should I say,

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let me go back Industrial Revolution eighteen hundreds, until we
started questioning and doubting supernatural, anything supernatural. It was born
out of the Industrial Revolution when we put an emphasis
on science and rational thought as opposed to anything supernatural.
Some of that is understandable in the sense that people
were so superstitious that everything was germs were demons, so

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get it to that extent. But I would say that
we threw the baby out with the bathwater, and that's
part of the problem, and it may help to know
at first historically that demonization was that was a belief
taken for granted that a Christian could be demonized for
almost two thousand years. This is a new thing in church.
That's why the historical churches like the Catholic Church, the

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Eastern Orthodox Church, the conservative, more historical Anglican and Lutheran
churches still practice exorcism own believers, and they still have
exorcistic prayers for when they're do in baptisms. Why because
they still it was taught by the early Church that
a person could be a Christian can be demonized. There's

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a lot of theology there, and if we have time,
we can delve into that. Just remind me we can
go as deep as you want. But there's a lot
of theology there that I would say to you venture
to say that deliverance ministry as well as exorcism or
whatever you want to call it. I know freedom in
christ ministries referred to it as a freedom session, whatever
you name it, anytime you're expelling someone or freeing someone

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from demons. I would venture to tell you that the
Bible teaches that is a new covenant benefit for believers,
not for im believers. That it is actually so thing
that is they benefit to believers when you come and
covenant with God, and that it was never to be
a benefit for a nonbeliever. And there's reasons why. If

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you think about it simply in this way, Jesus refers
to it it as the children's bread, which is a
metaphor for is for covenant, the children of the Covenant.
And then secondarily, if the Bible describes us as children
of darkness, then why would you drive darkness out of
a person who's steal a citizen of the kingdom of darkness? So,

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if anything, you're just worsening their condition. So there's some
theology there in that regard. So when we talk about
one thing is important to realize some of the terms
we use today are very confusing on the topic of
spiritual warfare, which is why I would be a unifying
force to tell people we probably need to stop using

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those terms. Let me give you some examples. Demon demonically influenced.
I think it's a bad term. I think because there's
already a word in the Bible that's dedicated to that.
It's called deceived demonically oppressed. I still I think it's
again for the sake of simplifying, not confusing Christians on

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this topic, we should get rid of that one as well,
because there's already a Biblical words devoted to being demonically oppressed.
It would be tested or attacked by a demon, you're
in battle for some reason. And then of course demonically
when we talk about demonic possession, it's not necessarily a

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bad word because if it means if you means by
demonically possessed, if you mean a person is inhabited by
a demon, then that would actually be an accurate term,
because when people who are inhabited by a demon, they
believe that in somehow, some way, the demon is controlling
elements of their life, their body, or their voice, or

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they're thinking that scene that's that would sound like, okay,
something is taking control of me. It's controlling my thoughts,
it's controlling my voice, is controlling my body in some way,
that would be accurate in that term. It would be
inaccurate if you mean ownership, because God says all souls
belonged to Him, even Satan's soul. Satan's soul belongs to God.

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So Satan can't own a person or souls. You can't
even sell your soul to Satan because it don'tven belong
to Satan. That's a deception. And so basically, if we
want to simplify it and keep it less confused, there's
only one word in the Bible that talks about a
person inhabiting a demon, and it's just one word, it's demonized.

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That the English translation of that would be demonized. And
so that's why you notice that a lot of newer
professionals in the area of demonology going to use the
word demonized. They're not going to they're going to avoid
terms like demon possession, they're going to avoid demonically influenced,
they're going to avoid demonically oppressed. And I think that's

(30:11):
I think it's less confusing, it simplifies it, it's less
confusing to the body of Christ. And furthermore, it a
lot of times people would use those words because they're
trying to they're trying to make light of that beyondsettling
fact that a person can have a demon, be inhabited
by a demon. And so I would say, again in closing,

(30:32):
it's one word in Greek, one word in the Bible,
and it's demonized, And I think that simplifies the whole
concept for anyone on the topic.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Absolutely, when people push back on the concept of a
Christian being demonized from within, and I always think of
it as a spectrum, So demonization can run the gamut
of Peterson No Lord Jesus, you will never go to
the cross. And then of course Jesus rebuked him and said,

(31:05):
get behind me, because at that moment, or at least
for that moment, that a demonic spirit or even Satan
himself was trying to get out the Lord Jesus to
try to dissuade him from going to the And so
that runs the gamut of a momentary demonization to the
Gatherine demoniac who had a legion of demons, which equals
six thousand demons, which is a whole crap ton And

(31:31):
I only think of it as a gradation or variation
or spectrum. And so this the pushback is that a
lot of people say, and I know you've heard this before,
the pushback from a lot of people of the ninety percentile.
They say, quote, the Holy Spirit can't dwell in the
same place as demotic spirits. Are you kidding me? And
that they push right back. So what would you say

(31:52):
to those people? And I'm so sorry, don I know
you have to go here and Admitte and actually we
might just return to this because I wanted to have
that don get in another question here, but before she
has to leave. But if we could return to this
after Don leaves, that would be awesome.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
I'll have that's good video.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
I'm sorry, Don ask you a quick question, real quick,
Actually I would.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
I've been wondering the same thing because of a situation
that I'm going through.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
That is the question that I've always wondered.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
If I have the.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Holy Spirit in me as a saved person.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
How can I still have a demon?

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I tell people that first and foremost, if we look
at the attributes of God, there were three main attributes
of God that make him God that no other being
in all of the universes combined have these three features
God Ma What makes God God? Are three main things.
The awls he's all knowing, he's all powerful, and the

(33:02):
third one is he's all present. So if God is
all present, and that in order to be God, he
has to be all three and which means all present,
then that means God is present wherever evil is too.
That's why a prostitute in a brothel can call out
on the name of the Lord and he'll show up

(33:24):
in the brothel the place of evil. That's why a
person who is being sex trafficked can call on the
name of the Lord and he will show up in
the sex trafficked area, even though there's evil happening. That
is why the drug addict, even in a heroine needles,
sitting laying right beside him in that midst of that

(33:45):
can call on the name of the Lord. In the
midst of the evil of heroine. You's going all around
him and God shows up, Thank Jesse. That's why even
a person can be sitting in the temple of Satan,
which Satan worshippers all around him or her, and he
or she can call him the name of the Lord,
and God will show up at the altar of Satan

(34:09):
because he's all powerful, he's all present, and he's all knowing.
So we don't know how the spirit world works, that's
the thing, but we do know that God can be
present even where evil is present. Why because he's God
and he's all present.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Amen.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
That's very powerful.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
That's so helpful. It's like, how can this still be happening.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
I've been following the Lord for six years now, dove
in the deepen and follow the Lord, and I've had
people tell me, you know the story.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
And to get in though in the name of Christ Jesus,
it can end.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Amen. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Hey, manna. Thank you, sir, Yes, hallelujah.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Wow, this is so good. I'm like, Lord, why are
we so blessed?

Speaker 2 (35:06):
There are so many warriors rising.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
I can't even count everybody. It's just do you notice
in the recent just even the last few months, especially
with Ai and all this new stuff that people have
access to, not just an uptick people love to say, oh,
it's like really spiritual warfare City this week or something,
but like a pervasive, like just darkness on people's self

(35:31):
deceived not even knowing that they're demoniacs, like all the
No King's protesters that you're faced with, and.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Just hella, oh, how are you this deceived? Have you
seen this, sirce? And what do we do?

Speaker 5 (35:48):
I like how you're helping us to define stuff getting
into the word. Have you seen people just get delivered
by exposing them to the gospel, like just giving them
the Word of God and things just come out of
them when you're playing for him?

Speaker 2 (36:01):
You know what. I've seen it all, and I still
I can tell you this eye witnessed man. On a
regular basis, I see Satan fall like lightning from heaven
again again and again, just like Jesus said he would
day cats yess. And so let me give you this
one story that that to this day still fascinates me.

(36:24):
And it's a tie in to really something I said earlier,
and we could get it's so all these stories of
school interconnected that I could I don't know, man, we
could spend days and if we didn't, if we didn't
have to leave our seats, we can. Actually I could
talk to you for days on these issues and top
another show. Yeah, absolutely count me in. And so this

(36:46):
one guy, he was a medium. He was a medium.
And so one of the things in my book I
talk about an ancient prayer that I discovered that totally
rented me of nightmares and sleep paralysis. I started reciting
this ancient prayer and it ended, and so I said, hey,
wait a minute, excuse me, this happened to me. Excuse me,

(37:11):
this happened to me when I was a college student,
still having these attacks. And so I said, came military
chaplain and I was teaching a Bible study like thirty
five students and we were talking about spiritual warfare. And
I said, hey, that's true. I want you to try
this reciting this ancient prayer. I want you to recite
it every day, and I want you, especially before you
go to bed at night and tomorrow next week when

(37:33):
we come back, I want you to tell me how
your nights went. Because Neil Anderson in his book Bondage Breaker,
he talks about how Satan not typically attacks us at night,
specifically it attacks us through the day, but really heavy
attacks at night. There's something to that, by the way,
I talked about that in the book as well. Yes,

(37:53):
but they came back the following week and they all
unanimously stated that particular week they had no sleep paralysis,
no nightmares. Matter of fact, for those who were parents
who recited this ancient prayer with their children, guess what
they said. Even the children that week had no nightmares.

(38:16):
So after the Bible study ended, a young lady, she
was she sheepishly came to me and she looked both ways.
She was an executive, high ranking person. She said, I
did that. I recited that that ancient prayer you're talking about.
And she said, one of the things you could tell
you this is that I have having I've been having
night terrors every night for over twenty years. She says,

(38:42):
I will go to I go to bed, and she
says I will go to bed at night and I
would awaken in the middle of the night terrified that
because I was I had a nightmare of being covered
in insects on my face, on my entire body. She said,
this happened every night. I had recurring nightmare of being
covered in insects. And she said, the first night I

(39:05):
recited that prayer, no night terrorists. The second night the Lord,
no night terrorists. The third night, no night terrorists, the
fourth night, no night terrorists, the fifth and sight, no
night terrorists. The sixth night, Wow, no night terrorists. The
seventh night, no night terrorists. She said, that is the

(39:28):
first in twenty something years. So you want to know
what that ancient prayer is, the Lord's prayer.

Speaker 5 (39:38):
Huhlijah, thank you Jesus.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
And I did research on that you'll find in chapter
three of the book. I looked at it in Hebrew
and then I translated in Greek, and fascinating research there.
I grew up in a Baptist church. I was thought
it was a moral prayer. That is not the way
it's rendered in Greek. Jesus clearly says in the language,
he says, say this prayer. Okay, So it's not in Greek.

(40:05):
There you would not find any semblance of it being
a model prayer. A matter of fact, if you don't
have the book, you can go to my website. Look
at my blog, and I have three blogs that you
can review for free that talks about it, and you
can see my research. I put it out. My agent
probably fainted three times when I did it, because it's
free content I'm putting out in free research. But it's
too important. The body of crisis do not have and

(40:27):
I don't want any Christian to be limited because they
don't have a copy of the book. But you if
you go to my website, look at the blog. I
talk about the Lord's Prayer in three parts. I look
at Jewish heritage, Christian heritage, and then biblical meaning, and
you can read all of them in fifteen minutes. It's
they're short, They're very short, and I have everything footnoted
so you can go back and do the research. You

(40:48):
can use it in your Bible studies, you can use
it in your research papers, you can use it in
whatever you're doing. People are using in their doctrinal Hey,
praise me to God.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
He's the Lord, and just so people can also support
you Steve Dabs there on when demon's surface on Amazon,
is that the best place for them to buy the books?

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Or you know what? You can then buy the book.
Most people go to Amazon to purchase the book, but
you can get it anywhere books or sold. You can
buy it on Walmart dot com, Barns Andnobles, Target dot com,
you name it. Wherever books are sold, you can purchase it.
Somebody contacted me from England, from the UK and it
was in the bookstore. How is there, I don't know,

(41:31):
but she was able to purchase it right there in
Great Britain, and so yeah, and it's in various forms too.
When jery Line was talking about she was cheating, I
don't consider listening to a book as cheating. I do
that sometimes as well, because sometime in the expediency I
like to put it on two times double the speed
when I'm on a trip or something, and I can
listen to an audio book and get that content. I'd

(41:53):
rather have the content than not have it at all.
And so a lot of people are telling me they're
not only listening to the book, but they do that
first and then they wind up buying the books, so
they get all the footnotes in the scripture references and
so in there that's nearly four hundred It has nearly
four hundred footnotes. And so that intentionally so that the believers,

(42:15):
the Body of Christ, would have the information at their disposal,
because basically, this is not my research as much as
it is your heritage. It is the heritage of the
Church and the people of God to be fully equipped
in this battle, because again, spiritual warfare is a universal
conflict in which no human is exempt.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Amen, and Pastor Steve, I have to bring up three
different things. That was a confluence of divine appointment. And
it's funny because when I watched you on the TV
with Sean McDowell, I felt the Holy Spirit say email him,
and I thought to myself, there were six people they

(43:00):
haven't gotten back to me, and what makes sit He
probably won't get back to me, but I'll do it, okay, Lord.
So I but when I did it, and I was like,
I was really hoping and praying that they get back
to me. And when you did, I was like, oh,
thank you Jesus. So that was the first thing that
coincided with Don and I hadn't helped at Don. We

(43:20):
hadn't done a podcast together in six months. And when
I called Michael and told him about you, the Holy
Spirit said, asked Don to also join you, and I
all right, I'll do it. I'll do We had talked
for a while, and we hadn't podcasted first since or
eight months or so at least, but I felt the
whole Spirit asked me to ask Don. And so when

(43:42):
she texted back and she said, I had mesaged Pastor
Steve and I'd love to talk to him because I'm
having these issues, spiritual issues, and I thought, oh my gosh,
this is definitely the Lord. So that was the number
one confluence. That was a divine appointment, Solf. Divine appointment
was the fact, Amen, God is so good. The second one,

(44:03):
this is a weird, gross sort of story, but you
answered it. You answered the reason why in your book. Okay,
so about a week ago, I was sleeping, and like you,
I've had sleep paralysis, demons harassed being ever since I
became a Christian. Because I have Buddhism in my background.
You have false religion in your background, even if you

(44:25):
don't practice it. It could be voodoo, it could be
very worship Catholicism, or whatever, and even though you don't
do it, those demons are still harassing you or whatever
you did in your backproend. So it could be your
forefathers and four mothers from therefore generations ago, and or
stuff that you've done. So I felt like there were
a couple of open doors. Even though I've repented, the

(44:48):
enemy doesn't want to let you go, like a jilted
lover who doesn't want to let you go. So it
seems that before I do something really spiritual for the Lord,
the enemy is like owed me if for whatever reason.
About a week or two ago, and this is maybe
before I even saw your video. A pastor Steve was
I was sleeping and then I was awakened to this

(45:11):
knowing that there was a demon like to the on
the right hand side of my bed. Did I see
it now? Did I sense it? Absolutely? One hundred percent?
There's something spiritual. It's almost like your spirit man or
woman becomes awakened when you're sleeping. It's almost like it
gets dislodged from the natural world and you sense things

(45:34):
that you normally wouldn't sense if you were awake. So
I sense that there was a demon that was hovering
between the bathroom and our bedroom. I just knew it,
but it didn't paralyze me. It just was just there,
just saying things, and I'm like, ever, I rolled my
eyes and went back to sleep, and I think I
just rebuked it in Jesus name. So in the morning,

(45:56):
and I had not seen any cockroaches in the house
in the years, because we've got these little and these
were people I know, some people saying they really were
because I saw the gorge in front of it, or
I've seen bugs in front of these little blue things.
We have these little blue electronic things that we stick
in the wall, and it does take about a month
or so and you might even see like an uptick

(46:16):
in bugs, but eventually they're going to be like rigor
Mortis on their vat, dying or dead or crispy. There's
can be a lot of krispy creators in your house. No,
I have not seen any bugs hardly in the last
like eight months to a year, any cockroaches, Okay, because
there's one on every wall, almost every wall, at least
one in every room, and it's just really enough. So

(46:38):
that same night where I sent there was a demon
in the specific area, and when I woke up. I
saw that there was something on the floor and I
walked past it, and I was like, I was not
going to step on it, just in case if it
was a bug. And I saw that it was a
cockroach and it was dead. But it was weird that
it was in the same exact area that I sensed

(46:58):
that there was a demon, and so I was scratching
my head. Was there a coincidence behind that? So I
googled are there any witchcraft, smells, incantations, curses or whatever
that are in witchcraft or voodoo or whenever that could
be like a retaliation or is it just something that
it just a demon did on its own, not being

(47:20):
sent by as an emissary by a person that was
in this occult. And so I read a couple of
stories and I thought, Okay, it's possible that it could
be witchcraft or voodoo or just a demon doing on
its own just to bother me. And then I tell
my husband this that he's been a Christian since he
was a little kid, and he's half listening to me
hath not happily being me, and half not because he

(47:42):
doesn't really get harassed necessarily by demons the way I
do for some reason, it would be more of a
batting field for the mind, but not weird things like
sleep paralysis or things manifesting or whatever, not any of that.
But I think it's because of my background. Like what
I told you, there was the cockroach thing, and then

(48:02):
and then when I read your book. When I read
your book, like one of the stories was a young
lady who had dreams of demonic insects just covering her
and then she woke up to a cockroach on her pillow,
and I go, hot dog. The Lord brought Pastor's Dve
into my awareness and his book into my awareness to
give me an explanation of what happened, because you have

(48:25):
the Holy Spirit in you, and so if you don't
have the Holy Spirit in your you just dismiss it
with cockroach. But it was like, I think that there
are spirits that actually happened to use like unclean bugs
and things like that to harass Christians. I've had enduring
sleep paralysis. I've been awakened from my body and seeing

(48:47):
a huge spider. This has been happening for the last
twenty five plus years, where I see a huge spider
like for a few seconds, like when I wake up,
like if I happen to wake up at night, I
see a huge spider on the wall. But it's not
it's not a natural spider, it's a spiritual spider. It's
a spider. It's a demon that's I guess, manifesting itself

(49:10):
as a big, huge, like six foot spider. And so
there's something about insects that that are unclean that the
enemy seems to use or whatever having. So there's that.
And oh, and then the third thing was when you
said that you had talked to doctor Merrill f Hunger.

(49:31):
I was like, oh, my gosh. That was when I
was fourteen flash fifteen fourteen, almost twenty fifteen to eighty eight.
I there was a I was in a drama theater
arts class with somebody, and then I was really into
I was into horror books and horror movies. And there
was a Beguiling by doctor Merrill and Hunger, and I
thought it was a spooky, scary book by doctor by

(49:53):
Stephen King, and it was Demons in the World Today.
And the picture of it was a woman at a
table and then behind her was an apparition of her husband.
And I said, Demons of the World today, And actually
I was curious, not being a Christian, and I was
been to the occult and I said, he's got can't
I bar that? Because you could have it? And it
was just interesting how God positioned me to sit behind

(50:15):
this guy who had this book and he just totally
didn't even ask for it ever again. And I brought
it home, and I was into Luigi boards and tarot
card reading and horoscope reading and numerology from a demonic standpoint.
You could do those things from an either a demonic
or biblical standpoint, so it was definitely demonic for sure.
The astrology, neurology definitely not biblical, just totally it was

(50:37):
the demonic dark side. So anyway, so the and I
was depressed and suicidal. And the first chapter I opened
it up to doctor Merrill Leffunger's book, Deals of the
World Today was Demons and borte Itelling, and he said,
I remember, he said, the manifestation of demons in a
person's life is suicidal ideations and depression. And I just
knew God was talking to me through the book. And

(50:58):
I cried, and I cried out to God and definitely
life changed since then. And a year later, witch Church.
So those are those three things. Was the was the
thing with Don and the cockroach thing and the doctor
Marriln Funger things. I just I had to share that
with you. So sorry for going on or on about that,
but I had to share that with you, Pastor Steve.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Absolutely, And of course I never, for clarity, I never
met or talked with doctor Hunger. But I've studied his work.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Okay, you've studied his work.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
And you've said and then in our course is included
in the book. His research is included in the book.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Oh okay, Because I'm wondering, you scratched my head. I'm like,
Pastor Steve doesn't look very old at all. He looks
within five years of me or something. And I'm in
my early fifties, and I'm like, how did he talked
to doctor maryln Bunger who died in nineteen eighty. I'm like,
if you talked to him in nineteen seventy nine as
a very young man, you know what.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
I've talked about him a lot, Okay, checked out.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
Him a lot.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
I thought. I asked went to be with the Lord
in nineteen eighty after his posthumous fleet, and.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Of course I talked about it. He's worthy to be
talked about as a respected leader in a Christian church.
He's a well respected leader, archaeologist, a scholar, and I
was really fascinating with his research on demonology. And he
had that even then when his books came out, he
had the nerves, should I say, the courage to to
talk about demons and them how they impact Christians when

(52:27):
other people were not willing to do that.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yes, it was almost to me it was groundbreaking because
never read a book exposing demons like that. Because it's
interesting because a lot of books at that time in
the early eighties was just either it's about Christ and
the Holy Spirit and angels, which could but it wasn't
anything about how these occult practices open the door to
demon I can probably count now, thank god, there are

(52:53):
lots of books that are like yours, that expose the
tactics of the enemy. But like you said, you didn't
want to talk about some of these supernatural things that
had happened to you as a chaplain and a deliverance
minister because in the eighties or even nineties, people weren't
ready for it. But people are definitely ready to hear
it now. Because they are experiencing an uptick in supernatural

(53:16):
phenomenon good and bad. So it's so often that you
had to have the current you had and have the
courage to talk about these things. So thank you, Good
on you.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Amen.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
Yeah, if you have any materials that you'd like us
to help you distribute up here in the mountains where
outside of Asheville is just like overrun with witchcraft and
wild things, and it's been good to have Derek Prince materials.
I'm interested in actually getting involved with more ministries like yourself, sir.
I drove to San Diego and we got in touch

(53:50):
with this church, Sadanku that's ordaining young pastors and they
are just on fire. David Miller, Dennis andros I went
to the Chattanooga, Tennessee Deliverance conference that I was the
video guy of it. They all knew my granddad. I
was like, you kids, no, my granddad is great Lork. Yeah, Michael,
come on, we're gonna we're gonna interview this demon. I

(54:11):
was like, okay, And I think the reason I don't agree,
I don't think people should interview demons. I'd like to
hear your take on that. But he told the Spirit
that we were gonna start releasing Don Bashing materials, and
the spirit remembered him and was all angry and.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Just coming through this little cute little Christian girl before that.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
David was like, hey, this is we're gonna start getting warm.
You know who Don Bash.

Speaker 5 (54:38):
Is, blah blah blah, and they remembered. I just all
the goose bumps on my body watching this, because I
haven't really been involved that much in deliverance ministry, at
least not full on. But I felt like the Lord,
let me see that just to be as a reminder,
like the enemy's realm is threatened by what we're doing.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
And what do you anything you want.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
To say about Do you take anything that they say
because they're liars though, like you don't really probably interview them.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Or say that. There's a camp of people that don't
believe you should talk to demons at all, Yeah, because
they're liars of course and deceivers. And then there's a
camp of people that you should have dialogue with their
own the other extreme. And then you have those in
the middle like myself that there they can speak when

(55:28):
they're spoken to, when it's necessary to do and I
don't ascribe to the view that you shouldn't talk to
him only because I saw Jesus talk to him, and
so you have to explain why Jesus did it. And
then the second part of it is I don't think
anybody should be trying to gather any type of systematic
theology courses with demons. Hey, can you tell me about

(55:48):
the soultariology or eschatology? When is Jesus coming back? You're
going to set up his kingdom? Who's the Antichrist? I
don't think you should be going to theology class with
a demon. I think yeah, if you're going to the
whole purpose of deliverance is to set the captive free,
and so in the process of your mission and your

(56:09):
assignment to help this person find freedom, that's the only
time you would interact with a demon if necessary, And
that's say hey, who are you? If they're stubborn, who
are you? And what do you have to be present
in this person's life? Then? And that's all they need
is that's kind of what the POW used to tell you.

(56:30):
Here's my name and social security number. So that's all
I need from a demon, your name and your social
security name and so I think keeping the main thing,
and that is the setting the captive free.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
We all of a sudden moving forward, I'd really like
to know how we can partner, help promote your ministry,
get the soldiers connected up. Are you looking to do
you have a team right now? Are you doing mostly
everything online and publishing or is there any kind of
like I don't know, have you been out on the
streets with any of these guys, you know? Do you

(57:04):
need some twenty year olds to disciple.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Say, I'm open to discipling anyone. I would say that
for the most part, I've been working more in the
field of an author and oscillate between writing educating the
body of Christ about the demonology and then also doing it.
So basically, I think I had a friend of mine
when I remember going to my second combat tour, and

(57:30):
I had a friend of my attend of my Bible
study was like he was an orthopedic surgeon. And so
one of the things about if you've known people that
ever served on the battlefield before the war commences, it
is the most here's the way to describe it. War
is ninety nine percent boredom and one percent sheer terror.
I remember only fit. General Patton had said that, but

(57:53):
it's so true. A ninety nine percent boredom and one
percent shere terror. So here we got an orthopedic surgeon
that's used to doing surgery on a regular basis, and
he's walking around the chapel and walking around the compound,
and I said, hey, I thought he was down. He said, man,
I haven't done surgery. He says, my scalpol is getting dull.
And this is his way of saying he needed to keep

(58:14):
him his skills sharp by doing surgery. And so I
would say, the way I keep my skills sharp is
by staying in the ministry of practically and doing it.
So normally, I I probably do about an average of
thirty sessions of counseling a month as our consultation, because

(58:36):
I have not pastors and psychiatrists other caregivers that are wanting, hey,
how do I got this conundrum? Do you have any experience?
And can you give me some advice? So I'm doing
the consultation element, and then I have people that contact
me and say, hey, I'm having this spiritual battle, can
you help me resolve it? So between those two things,
the consultation and the counseling. I stay pretty sharp in

(59:01):
that regard, But I am not opposed to If people
wanted me to come to speak at the church or
conference or whatever, it would be my honor. But right
now what I do is to keep myself committed and
in the fight is educating because there's a lot of
content that I provide. Very few people study this in
the context of ancient Judaism and early church, and so

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I didn't. But normally what I do is I try
to read all the books that are coming out in
the past ten years on the issue, and those that
are well known. I try to read all of them.
And one of the things I know that that's really
missing is the ancient heritage piece, and so that's what
I try to bring. I don't want to write a
book that someone else has wrote it. I'd rather promote
someone else's book if they've done great research and it's effective,

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and why not come alongside my brother or sister and
promote their research. So I would rather do that. But
right now, the stuff that I'm writing is not on
the market. That's why if you read my book now,
I write my all my stuff I write on a
high school level because I want the regular Christian to
be able to pick up my book and understand it.

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I put all the advanced information in the footnotes for
those that like to go a little deeper, and that's
why I get a lot of contact from seminary professors
even and PhD level professionals. But nevertheless, I write on
a high school level. So that and most people tell
me they read the book in one day, so I
was always shocking to me. But most people will write
me back and say, I reade your book in one day,

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and so they're probably skipping the footnotes, of course, but
that's why. But nevertheless, my intent in that is I
want to make the information accessible and available to the
common Christian and above and so that's my commitment to
the Body of Christ is discuss and the end of
the day. If you look at my research, what is

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an indictment against the Church is that the whole ministry
of exorcism deliverance was actually done by the lay people.
There was no up into the third century. We did
not have an office dedicated to the exorcist. It was done.
It's like, hey, hey, Johnny, we were told that Michelle
has a demon. We need your help me. He said, Okay,

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let me bring in the fish, or let me finish
bringing in the harvest, and we'll go cast that demon
out of Michelle, Jessica or Jacob or Larry. This was
done by the late people. So the mere fact that
we have to be talking about this on such a
high academic level is an indictment against the Church. This
was done by the common people. And so I bring

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that out in my book that even in ancient Judaism,
it was the parents who taught it, even to the children.
So every covenant believer, even an old Covenant believer, could
cast out a demon in the name of Yahweh. And
so this mere fact that we're now waning to relegate
that to the pastors our people, that they have to
be well seized and trained and walked with the Lord

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for fifty years to do this, I think they're early
Church would say that's that's an indictment. That's not the case.
I got a story of a girl that just one
day after rededicating her life to Christ, she was nineteen
years old, she said eight words and the demon left
her husband. Praise God, I rebuke you in the name
of Jesus, she said. The only thing I knew to say.

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Is what my grandmama told me. She says, she grabbed
his arm and said, I'll rebuke you in the name
of Jesus, and her husband was expelled of that demon.
So and So's she was nineteen years old and one
day rededicated her life to Christ. So don't come to me,
I don't care if you have two PhDs and try
to tell me and convince me that the power of

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Christ is limited. We've been given, according to Luke ninety one,
we have been given by Jesus delegated power and authority
to expel your study men. And where I'm going to
be any person, you will not find me trying to
limit anybody on the youth of what their new covenant

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benefits and authority really anything. I'm gonna encourage them to
know who they are and their identity in Christ, and
next it out on who you are in Christ. Because Amen,
fearfully wonderfully made, you have been seated in the heavily
of Christ, and you have been given all power and

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authority to trample over Satan in his kingdom.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Yeah, yes, he's given as the authority to trample on
steakho scorpions and some people don't really understand what that
scripture means, but it's a metaphor for demotic spirits that
manifests themselves as makes in terms of being stealthy and
scorpions in terms of poisoning people and things of that

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nature with their lives and what have you. I totally
I can see that most people think that the ministry
of delight, verds and extorcism has to go to priests
and has to go to the pastor and whatever. When
Jesus himself said to the common people me you Michael,

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and you're more than common having these experiences. But in
your back on everything, he says to everybody who's a
true born again believer, that you have this authority to
cast out demons. That was a mandate from Jesus to
cast out demons, raise the dead, heal the sick. And
it's only that kind of a small rednant church that
does all that. I hardly ever go to a church

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where there's a section where they're driving on demons, although
my husband did when he was a little guy. He
went to the Pentecostal Church of Canada, and he thought
it was so bizarre and so weird to see demons
being cast out. They're growling and glittering and writhing and
contorting and yelling out and he just didn't as a
little boy, he just did not want to be part

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of it. You've want to be at church four times
a week because his father was an elder for this
Pentecostal church of Kent, so he almost has an aversion
to that. And I'm like, give me, I want church
like that. But a lot of times there are very
small churches. They're like thirty or forty people, maybe eighty
people at most. And my husband likes to go to

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big churches, not mega churches, but a larger churches that
we can blend in. And I'm like, okay, Lord, I
know that you're that I'm supposed to be patient and
I'll and I'll be submissive to whatever he wants to
go to, but it's not I would rather go to
a four square gospel church where the Holy Spirit is
in full blessing. In terms of people getting healed, yes,

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a lot of non denomination churches they'll pray for your healing,
but we'll like healing like at that moment and where
they're where they're driving out demons, and it's those two things.
And I know there's hardly any churches that believe in
the gifts of the Holy Spirit I speaking attend. That's
the whole other story. But again, ninety nine percent of
people don't believe that tongues are for today, are link

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is for today, or or driving out cared as for today,
or they think that it's in that it's for the
upper echelon Christians. Yeah, I'm glad that you touched on
that a pastor, Steve. I actually had a guest who
thinks it's a gift. This person said that if you
have the gift of you know, driving out demons, get
that thing out of them. And I'm thinking, okay, it's

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not a gift. Yes, it is a give that the
Holy spectualize. It's a gift to all the body of believers.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Or I like to use the word since the Bible.
The Bible doesn't specifically refer to it as a gift.
I just tell people it's ability, it's a new it's
a new covenant ability, and then you're right to anybody
that would say it's a gift. I had a conversation
with a PhD on this and I had to remind
him show me in the Bible where it's a gift.
It's not even this. Not only do you not find
that in the Bible, it's not even in the Early

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Church as described as a gift. As a matter of fact,
in the Catholic Church. To their defense, to provide clarity,
they don't even believe. They believe every believer has that.
If you are a Christian, they believe you have that ability. However,
they just want to govern it by just having it
for the They call it major extracisms. They want their

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priests to do it, so it's a preferential thing. But
in their theology they were followed that of the Early
Church and believing that it's an ability given by given
to all believers. They just with the priests. The priests
are extra they go through extra training to deal with
the more extreme cases. And that's why they would prefer training. Yeah,

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that's that the priests be the ones that do the
extreme cases of deliverance. And of course, you know that
story in the Bible. I don't know if y'all remember it.
It was a guy that the disciples found that he
was actually going around casting out demons, and they came
back to Jesus and they said Jesus, we found this
guy casting out demons in your name and we stole it.

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We told him to stop. And Jesus say, is thank God, Yeah,
cause we don't want people going around doing that on
their own. I don't know if y'all remember that story.
You know what, it's not really because it doesn't exist.
The real story is when they came back to Jesus
and said, we told this guy to stop casting our
demons in your name. Jesus said, what what?

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:08:14):
What?

Speaker 6 (01:08:15):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
He rebuked the disciples. He says, anybody us and I
may I treat you. Anybody that's for us, is not
against us. No, don't stop him. So that tells me
that it was something that Jesus wanted to But if
you hate you believe it, you submitted to my lordship,
then you have my delegated power and authority, the new

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coveted ability to expel demons, and I want you. I
want you in the fight. And so that was his
message to this And it's interesting thing about it that
disciples were humble enough to make sure they included that
story in the Bible because they wanted us to know
in the modern day that is exactly what Jesus himself

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rebuked and then taught them to do yes nice and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Has she seemed I feel like the lawn's me to
bring this up. And I'm so glad that you touched
on this in your book. Sue. Michael hasn't read the book,
listened to the book, but I hope you will. But
the beginning story that Pastors Tea starts off with is
that he basically was a little reluctant to accept Christ
because he didn't want to stop chasing girles. And I

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totally get it. I understand I was totally into boys
when I was a teenager and everything, even after being
a Christian. But it was interesting. So he had a
very just startling like out of body experience or revelation
or something like that and such that he was intimate
with a young woman and then the whole then the
Holy Spirit opened up his floor and he was like

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falling into hell and so waiting up startled. Whether it
was a dream or vision or whatever, it was something
that Lord gave him, and it was like it woke
him up. Okay, are you going to continue chasing girls?
It to the to the detriment of not following Christ
in other words, already going to continue having relations outside
of marriage and not follow Christ? Or are you going

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to follow Christ? And then obviously wait till the Lord
provides him with the wife anyway, So that was a
very startling vision that the Lord gave Pastor Steve. And
then fast forward to almost like three quarters of the way,
almost to the end of the book, he was bringing
up this couple that the husband was into pornography and
was just really comparing his wife to these girls in

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porn and just making her feel awful and bidding her
to sin with them by watching porn. And he didn't
want to. He wanted to be with other women as
a result of the porn, but instead he found another
couple that was willing to switch partners. It was the
weirdest thing is here's another confluent thing, is that in
my small group Bible study, there was a couple that

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actually said that they had some friends that they had
to cut ties with because those friends were into partner switching.
And I thought, oh my gosh, really, and so they
and the more they grew in Christ, thank God they
didn't do that. It is for what I understand that
the more they grew as a couple in Christ. The
more they realized that these bad the bad company will

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corrupt good characters, so they like cut off, like all
these friends and like all those friends are now divorced, surprise,
surprise me. And so it was weird. So they told
me that story just laugh Monday. And then when I
read your book, this morning is yeah, this morning is
when I heard that with your account of this couple
whom they assuming that they were wanting to go to

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marital counseling, but instead they went to Pastor Steve because
he knew that the husband knew that this was a
spiritual issue. So it was prise God that this couple
went to Pastor Steve realizing it was a spiritual issue.
And then it was interesting that the husband, like when
he was getting when he repented of the poorn usage
and trying to wipe, swap and everything, that he like

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threw up this is gross, but he grew up. He
threw up this black like the demon inside him as
a result of the porn viewing and whatever else he
was doing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
They give, hey.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
I just had to share that, and I was just
like I had to bring that up because it was
that was the number of the or coploads of things
that here is a long time we think, oh, those
are weird, fringy people that do that. They are on
the outskirts of society and they're just perverts or whatever.
But they could be the next door neighbors. I'm not
saying that they are, but so they're listening. But if

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you just have no idea, they could be at church,
they could be down the road or whatever. You just
have no idea what people are into. Because they had
that God shaped hole in their hearts, instead of filling
it with God, they're filling it with bears and foreign
and all those sexual deviancy and stuff because they think
that's going to fulfill them somehow voted by a demonic spirit.
So I just thank you so much for even addressing
that your vision. And I also had a similar dream.

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I was married once before from age twenty to twenty four.
We got into war, and then I had a boyfriend
who was living with me from age twenty four to
twenty six. And then around when I was like twenty
five twenty six, I had this dream that I was
underneath the earth and it was very hot, like in
a kiln, and I I was in hell basically and
I just sweating and just it was tormenting, and then

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like my body was floating towards the outer perimeter of
this an oven underneath the earth, and then I was
let out and I woke up, and the Holy Spirit
was showing me if I were to continue living in
this relationship based on fortification, that's where I'd be if
I were to continue that road. So it was interesting
that you were blunt and brought it up. You know

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exactly what the Holy Spirit was showing you. So thank
you so much, Patrit for even talking about the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Subjects absolutely my honor. And I felt the Bible tells
us that Satan is destroyed by the blood of the
Lamb and the word of our testimonies. And I know
one particular critic said, hey, have you share a lot
of stories in your book, and I had to remind them,
I think you're forgetting that the scriptures itself state that
Satan is defeated by the blood of the Lamb and

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the word of the testimonies. So the stories are testimonies
that aid in the defeating of the enemy. And that's
why I felt like if I was going to share
other people's stories, that gave me permission to do, then
then I would also share mine as well. And so
I'm just grateful that my stories, those that I share
are getting people pushing people closer to Christ. That was

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that's the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Intent, Amen, Yes, and you definitely use it, not just stories,
but you would use your entire book with scriptures and
it's the best and impatients that I'm like, wow. So
it's definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Biblical, Amen. And that's the intent as a body of Christ,
and that we need to make sure that we can
ground these experiences in scripture. If anything needs experiences is
to confirm or validate biblical truth, and so that's what
I strive to do. We'll go ahead, Michael. You were
going to say, yeah, just.

Speaker 5 (01:15:02):
About well just overall about this Halloween tomorrow if we
I don't know if we're going to publish this by Halloween,
but any take on. I have been seeing so many
just out of control spirits of death everywhere recently, and
like a worship and a desire for death to just permeate.

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And it's not just like goblins and pumpkins. It's like
the most vile stuff all over town. Because my wife
and I like to combine ministry with door dash and stuff,
and we'll just make some money and pass out tracks and.

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
Leave them everywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
And so, but we see a lot of neighborhoods and
it is just vile. That was the question, and I
just also wanted to throw in we're part of some
bigger churches now that are operating the gifts and they
really need this what you're doing, and I just want
to encourage you to keep going and other ministries that
are operating the different gifts. Eventually, I want to help

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ridge that gap and bring vice versa, bring all the
gifts together.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
We don't have to just.

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
Have only United States Deliverance Command and then over here
are the intercessors, or over there are the evangelists. Let's
get the experts on breaking off sicknesses, diseases, poverty, unclean lips.
But those guys, they're so busy sometimes within the Word

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of Faith movement that we've been focusing on recently, that
they don't really it's something they don't believe in deliverance.
They do have a lot of testimonies, but it's not
like their focus. And so I would love to see
a greater partnership in the coming days with Derek Prince
ministries and what we're trying to do with Don Basham
Ministries coming soon, and then what you are producing. I'm

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totally new to your work, sir. I'm so honored to
know you, and I'm so excited, especially a military veteran
thirty five years and you're going strong, sir, hallelujah. Just
the Halloween question, what's your scope on this season? And
should Christians celebrate Halloween? Here's an easy question.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
I do not celebrate Halloween, and I could tell you
my take on it is this. I've heard various explanations
for historical practice of Halloween. So if you look at
some of the historical churches, they call it all Hallows Eve,
which if you think about the word hollow, it means holy,
and so on the eve of this day, people are
at sundown. They celebrate the saints who have passed on

(01:17:33):
to the next life. I hear that, and then of
course I have people that are I hear their testimonies
and people I personally talk with that have come out
of Satanism and witchcraft and this, and you know, and
they say, Hey, on Halloween, that's a holiday for us.
Matter of fact, it's the chief holiday and we're beseeching
gods and praying to your nature, and some or even

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making animal and some cases I hear human sacrifice. And
so when they come out of that and they converted
to Christianity, they are highly against the celebrate of Christians
having anything to do with Halloween. If and so my
take on it now is if people are coming out
of witchcraft and Satanism and saying, hey, I wouldn't even

(01:18:18):
mention the day in your house, then I think I'm
gonna just take their word for it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
Amen, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
That pretty much salt sums it up right there, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Some people want to give our candy and dress their
kid and a ninja out for a fit or a
prince's outfit, and they want to do that, then that's there.
If that's their right they want to do it. But
I think if anything God dressing up in a scary,
fear inducing outfit that clearly tells us the Bible clearly
tells us a secret Timothy one and seven that God

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has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power,
love and a sound mind, then I would encourage anybody
that any fear inducing activity. I don't think it's consistent
with scripture. So it's up to them if they decide
they want to dress in a prince's outfit or some
type of cute little outfit and get candy. If you're
gonna do it, then I would say that's better than

(01:19:14):
the fear inducing element. But my current take on it is, Hey,
I'm hearing with some people say all hallows eve. I mean,
other people say Halloween, and we're selling we're making sacrifices
and worshiping demons and gods. And my thing is, hey,
if the witches and the sataness are coming out of
the out of those backgrounds and they're saying, hey, don't

(01:19:37):
even have anything to do with the holiday you mentioned,
I think I'm just gonna take their word for it. Amen.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Amen.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
I got that out of the way.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
Yeah, thank you. Do you have any final questions, Charlin?

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Do you want to you has actually to expand the
Halloween question, Chap, What are some occult practices that kids
do or just people do in general on Halloween or
the days leading up to Halloween that can open the
door to demit.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Oh, clearly, Oigi boards. When you're trying to consult and
communicate with entity spirits, it's interesting. I never hear people say, hey,
let me use wegi board to talk to God, the
God of the Bible. I'm talking to the other spirits.
And so I had the Warren folks the same with
terror cord uses, and I got stories about both in
the book, by the way, scary, eye opening awakening moments

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of how those particular tools are tools of the enemy.
And so I know one particular story which happened last year.
It was thirty four girls that were playing with a
wigi board at schooling middle school and they wound up
having to be admitted into the hospital having fainting spells
and all of death from playing with a wigi board. Interestingly,

(01:20:54):
fainting spells are weird health issues as a result of that,
thirty four school age girls. You can read this up
and look it up online. Anybody can google this. Also.
I remember hearing one particular case whereas a young lady
she was off to her first year of college and
on Halloween maybe Halloween, I know it was one night,

(01:21:15):
they were playing with Terrort cards and it was her
they pretty much I guess, they were taking turns with
the Terrort cards and it came around her and as
soon as she touched the cards, a demon rose up
in her. It was like the wait did the people
describe it? It was something took over her body to
such a degree, and it actually stated it said foolish.

(01:21:36):
I think it said, foolish girl. I've been waiting. I've
been waiting eighteen years for you to touch these cards.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Oh yeah. She had a history her family line of
the use of mediums in terror card usage, and that's
why the Bible warns about these demons visiting, these curses,
visiting the families onto the third and fourth generation. And
a lot of people today they don't understand the whole
idea of generational curses. Some don't believe that Jesus became

(01:22:07):
a curse for us. I have to remind them that
you do know that the new Covenant is a covenant,
and so covenant comes with different expectations, and it's within
covenant there is a obedience generates blessings, Disobedience generates curses.
Curses can also be understood as misfortune, So you expose
yourself to misfortune when you don't live up to the covenant. Again,

(01:22:30):
there's a reason why the Bible describes this covenant as
a marriage. We're the bride of Christ. And just like
we say I do and not i'll try on a
wedding day, pay applies when you enter covenant with God.
I'm gonna try it. No I do. That's why Jesus said,
you love me, you'll keep my commandments. It's a lot

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involved in that, and we need to make sure that
we're not dabbling in things that alone forbidden by our God.
It would not make our husband, our spirit her husband
happy if we're dabbling in things that he does not like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
And even Christians sometimes will unwittingly open themselves up indirectly
to demonic influence. Like for example, I heard a story
as somebody who companied it. She was Christian, and she
accompanied her friend to see a medium or spiritists that
would read her fortune. And she told the friend, I

(01:23:27):
don't think you should go to this medium or spiritist
or psychic medium or whatever. I think they're all one
of the same, in different radiations or whatever. And so
she unwittingly went with her friend to the psychic medium
and then was saying a bunch of things to the
friend that seem to resonate with her. And of course

(01:23:47):
we know those are familiar spirits or familiar demonic spirits
are familiar with that person that they have. They're not omniscient,
but they have a lot of knowledge with regards to
the background of people and the things that occurred in
the past. And they have a limited knowledge of the future,
like in horoscope astrology as well as psychics and mediums

(01:24:08):
that they can divine what could what has happened in
the past, present, and a little bit of the future.
But I don't believe that they know they're omniscient. Says
that only God is omniscient. So what do you think
of people like who are well, I'm sorry to finish
the story with. So the psychic was divining some things
to the friend and then said, and I have a

(01:24:29):
message for you to the Christian woman and was saying
some things and whatever, and so she became demonically influenced
after that. And so it's just such a trick of
the enemy, I believe, is to cause Christians to think
that they can do whatever they want. They're saved and
the devil can't touch them. They can do whatever they
want and wife swap and go to psychic mediums and

(01:24:52):
whoever it is. And then they won't get a demon,
but they a lot of people learn the hard way.
What do you think of that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
I agree with you. I think we put it this way.
Let me tell you why that's that knowledge is dangerous.
If Christians think, if there's a Christian that's deceived into thinking,
let me say, let me rephrase it. If there is
a Christian that believes that they're safe and they can walk,
they can disobey God and involve themselves in practices or

(01:25:26):
behaviors that are forbidden in scripture, then why would God
tell us on four occasions to keep on the full
armor of God. So if we didn't need to be protected,
then why are we wearing this armor? So it's a deception,

(01:25:46):
it is. And if and if you're not if and
if you're not reading your Bible, if you're you're just you.
If you're going through the Bible and cherry picking your
favorite scripture, Oh that's my favorite scripture. If that's how
you read the Bible, then you're gonna be very ignorant
of the other truths that are that are within. We
have to know the Bible from the first page of
Genesis to the last page of Revelation. And yeah, guess what.

(01:26:08):
Because we're our brains were so forgetful. We have to
be reminded of these things. That's why you read Paul
and you read Peter, and they both say, I remind
you of what you already know, so you don't forget.
I remind you that you hear that word again. We
have to keep reading. It's like you can't read the
Bible one time and say it got it. You can't
even read a good book sometimes. At one time, a
lot of people telling me now they have to reread

(01:26:29):
the book because there's some things they read and now
they need to refresh themselves on this other aspect of
it because they need to take that to consideration because
they're finn go into battle and they got to revisit that.
And same thing as a warrior. I was a thirty
five year warrior in the military, and I can tell
you we go back and read the doctrines and battle
doctrines and SOPs because we have to refresh ourselves with

(01:26:53):
the battle plans. And the Bible is a big old
battle plan book. Follow it, you can you it and
it will grant you success. But if you don't know
how to wield it. It was trouble because guess what
the battle will be up close and personal. And if
you don't know how to wield your sword, I'll tell
you what you're going to. Just endure some injuries that

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you did not have to it was there were aren't
necessary because we've already been granted the victory in Christ.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Amen. And by the way, thank you so much for
your military service and your godly spiritual service. You deserve
at least double kudos.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Yes warriors, sir, Amen, thanks me to God. Just an
odd cont service. Amen. Thank I love you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
Man, I love the spiritual warfare battle Battalion of Wow.
So we your experienced military is invaluable to be applying
in it in this present day. Your publications and your
blogs are they're not blogs, what a silly word.

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
It's very well put together.

Speaker 5 (01:28:04):
I recommend everybody visit and if you want to just
promote all the different websites and I see stevedabs dot org.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
With two pece as in one stop shop vivedabs dot org. Okay,
so go to Steve dabs dot org.

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
Obviously, subscribe to YouTube and all the links are there
and donate.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Can they donate as well?

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
I have not I get that question a whole lot,
and I have not set up any avenues for the donations,
but if I keep getting that question, I just may
do that because the donations will help me. As the
ministry has gotten to a point where I have to.
Some people may ask, hey, can you travel and come
see us? Because we know and Torment then we need assistance.

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Our family needs assistance, and they may not be able
to afford the trip. Than having a budget of some
sort would be beneficial. And so I just haven't established
it yet. More to come on that. Yeah, great, No,
I'm just checking in. There's so much here, guys. This
is really it's a military operation. Steve dabs dot org
not joking. This is exactly what we want. We are

(01:29:10):
endeavoring to do right here in this mountain base in
western North Carolina. So I thank you so much, Steve.
This is such an honor. Appreciate you. Then you want
to lead us out. I'm just the co pilot. Sometimes
I'm like, what are we doing? So thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
The analogy that we're gonna land his play now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
I know, I love it. Yeah, we have a lot
of much Thank.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
You Chaplain Pastor Steve. Appreciate it. It's funny. I actually
just read your email that you prefer to be called
either Steve or Chaplin Steve or author Steve, so I'll
call you all the all three.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
You're doing just fine. You can just you can just
say hey, you know that works with me. Oh goat,
you're so.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Humble, No that want so thank you so much, chaplain
Steve for your time, and it was such a pleasure
and honor, and it was a lot of fun talking
to you, and thank you for pulling the veil off
of the hidden subjects that. Yes, a lot of churches
you refuse to take a look at that are in darkness,
so I really appreciate it. Your book was excellent. Yes,

(01:30:15):
check out his book on Amazon. I don't know if
you're like me, people, but I love to listen to books.
Ever since I started podcasting ten years ago. It ruined
me for physically sitting down and reading a page by
page book. Although that is good. It's a good adjunct
to listening, or listening is a good adjunct to physically
reading a book. And I'd love to also get the
physical book to read it and see all the footnotes
and the scriptural references. I can see where the scriptural

(01:30:37):
basis is for what patchatv is saying and those stories
that he's sharing. So yes, definitely go to his website
Steve Dabs dot org Steve Dabbs dot org and I'll
put that in the show notes. And so we really
appreciate your time tonight, and hopefully I'll be able to
crank this out just time for Halloween tomorrow, but for

(01:30:59):
some reason it comes out after Halloween just I guess
it would be a one year early Halloween episode as well.
I really appreciate it. We are be pleaded to have
you on board the Strange o' clock podcast, Slash Crossfiles podcast,
plane or train or Thank you so much, Chaplain, Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Thank you, Hey, the honors mind, Jolene, thank you so much,
and then Michael too and Don thank you guys for
having me. And it was my joy to sit with
you for a few minutes and talk about the Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
Amen. Absolutely, could you pray for the people listen or
watch it?

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Yeah, be good, Yeah, do that. Thank you Father about
the authority and the power that you've granted us as
believers in Christ. Jesus Father, I want to bind and
expel any demonic spirit that may be interfering or troubling
your children. Right now, dam Man, again, I'll bind and

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expel you from them, and then they with Jesus, and
I command you to loose them to have sound mind.

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
Thank you, loose them to.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Know that greater is God who is within them, than
you who are from the world. And Father, I ask
you to now grant them your forgiveness, grant them your repentance,
and grant them your full deliverance in Jesus's name. And
now may I bless you altogether. May the Lord shallow

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you with all good things and sustained in the faith.
May the Lord smile upon you and bestow his great
and awesome mercy upon you.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
Thank you Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
May the Lord remain for a mindful of you and
give your wholeness and all of your being through Christ
Jesus his Son, our Lord. And we all say amen, Amen,
Thank you Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
Thank you so much for watching and or listening to
the Stage of Clock podcasts or Cross Files podcasts, whatever
you want to call us. It's fine with me. Have
a supernatural and strange day, and may the Cross be
with you everybody. God bless you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
And by the way, if you have a story. If
you have a testimonial that you want to share, feel
free to go to our website crossfiles dot org, c
R O, S, S f I, l Ees dot org,
or send us an email to cross files at yahoo
dot com against c R O, S, S FI, L
Yes at yahoo dot com. We'd love to hear from
you any feedback about the show about Chaplain Steve. You

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can feel free to email us, or you could just
feel free to reach out to Chaplain Steve directly. Again,
thank you so much, have a great day. Bye. Thank
you sir much.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Chaplin Steve jam thank you so much,

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