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June 17, 2025 • 30 mins
What if the real barrier to transformation isn’t technology—but fear? Silicon Valley veteran, strategist, and author John Hagel joins Tom to challenge the myths of digital transformation, argue for the power of scalable learning over efficiency, and explore why unlocking human passion may be the only sustainable way forward.

From leadership mindsets to the future of education, John’s insights reframe the role of institutions in a world of accelerating change.

A real must-listen episode! 

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