All Episodes

April 4, 2025 36 mins
Ninna and Nina talk about our identities and how they link to happiness and belonging. Faith shares her research on how fat liberation and Health at Every Size are portrayed on social media.

Faith Stadnyk is an academically-trained intersectional feminist, critical health, fat studies, critical disability studies, and critical eating dis/order studies researcher and advocate for social justice. 

Nina Robinson is CEO of the media production company Soundtruism, which aims to tell diverse and authentic stories in audio as factual narrative podcast formats.

Nina Makrinov, aka The Fat Psychologist, is a teacher, trainer, coach and the author of The Fat Psychologist Podcast. A critical thinker by nature, Ninna is an activist who questions knowledge from a feminist, fat inclusive, disability informed, anti-racist perspective.

Read more in the show notes.
Mark as Played
Transcript

Episode Transcript

Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
(00:00):
Hello, I'm Ninna Makrinov. I am a psychologist and yes, I'm fat. I am the Fat Psychologist.

(00:09):
I love who I am. In fact, I want everyone to embrace who they are. Fat or skinny, gay or straight,
white, black or brown, funny or boring, whatever. Just be you. Saying this sounds easy, doing
it is hard. That's where my podcast comes in. So welcome to the Fat Psychologist Podcast. Join

(00:30):
me to decode wellbeing research so it can have a real impact in our lives. Let's make decisions
based on information we understand and question, not based on what others say we should think
of ourselves. This series is all about exploring how we have come to terms with ourselves, our
quirks or differences, how we can be happy at every size. In this podcast I will share who I am,

(00:57):
talk with others and explore what researchers know about what happiness at every size means.
In this episode, we explore the link between identity and happiness. As a psychologist,
I define identity as all the characteristics and values that make me who I am. We are all
many things. How do you describe yourselves? What is important to you? I pick parts of my identity

(01:26):
as I present myself to the world, even when I am being transparent and open, because I am a complex
human being just like everyone else. One of the first things people see in me is that I am fat.
That is hard to miss. I am also a mum, a migrant, white, middle aged, a psychologist,

(01:49):
an educator, a leader and many other things, possibly now a podcaster. I believe that happiness
or rather contentment requires me to fully accept all aspects of my identity, even the bits I
might want to hide from others. Today I reflect on the quote if I am a Staffy, why try to look like a

(02:13):
Greyhound? I have a book of points and quotes I copied when I was in my teens. It is one of the only
possessions that have made it through countless house moves in three countries. One of the quotes

I copied but did not attribute says roughly (02:26):
Why not be yourselves? That is the secret of a good
public speech. If one is a Greyhound, why try to look like a Pekingese? I adapted this slightly as
I am no Greyhound and look much more like my lovely Staffy, Kacey, who my friend Nina who's

here with me is terrified of. (Nina (02:45):
It is scary. She's scary? Anyway, the comparison also seemed
apt as I have a great friend who is tall and thin and has a greyhound and I always laugh at how our dogs
look like us. I suppose the answer to my question is that when I try to look like a greyhound,

(03:06):
it is because deep down I sometimes believe I am not good enough. I invite you to challenge this
belief with me. I am good enough and you are too. So today I'm talking to my dear friend Nina Robinson.
Nina's amazing. She challenges me and supports me. I wonder her here today for two reasons. One,

(03:29):
she is the UniPodFest director and she organizes a podcast festival in Birmingham which started me
in this path. Two, Nina is passionate about anti-racism and telling stories to celebrate identities. So hi Nina.

Nina (03:42):
Hi Ninna. Ninna
By saying all these things. Ninna

Ninna (03:58):
Okay. You actually, you told me that yesterday and I'm like, no, you need to be here because I think you're an ally.

Nina (04:05):
Well, I think it's interesting because when I first met you
and what, you know, as my friend, I don't see... that is not the first thing that I, you think that
that is the first thing people see. But when I first met you, what more was a striking identity was
that you were from Chile? That was actually more... Ninna: But I had to tell you that.

(04:28):
Significant. Yeah. But that was like, that was the first thing really that was
a found interesting about you.Ninna: I think I said because being fat is so visible, like people who can see,
see it. I don't have to tell them I'm fat. I mean, obviously in a podcast, I have to tell you.
But I mean, still, I don't think that there was something that it is the first thing that you

(04:51):
necessarily notice. Like, okay, so I also have different identities as a South Asian female,
from Birmingham, I grew up in a working class family. So those are myriad of different identities.
But I think that they're significant to me. But I don't think it... depends on the context of how you're

(05:12):
meeting people. So say if I'm in a networking event, so I can entrepreneurs networking event,
then the South Asian thing, I think quickly, it doesn't come into the equation when you're meeting people.
So I think it does depend on context. Ninna: I don't know. I have the feel that identity is always
there because people are reading us through what they see in us. And actually you mentioned that...

(05:36):
Chile, for example, I'm Chilean, that's another one. And I was thinking the other day as I was listening
to radio and podcasts... I don't think I've ever heard a second language English speaker
in a podcast or in a broadcast. So I might be one of the only ones. And I think it's about, yeah,
I think it's about the fact that being fat or being brown is things that people see, right away.

(06:00):
Rather than the other things, you have to disclose. Nina: But also, I would say those identities are quite different.
So the fact that I am South Asian, for example, I don't think you can equate that
to having fatness as an identity. Ninna: Okay. Why? Nina: I think they're really different.

Ninna (06:18):
I mean, in what sense? Nina
more similar? Ninna: I think in a way they're similar in a way they're different. So I think they're
different because they have to do with culture and with the assumptions that people make about
what we are. Nina: Yeah. Ninna: And I think there's an assumption when they look at me and they, if they

(06:40):
identify me as fat, that I do that because I want to or because I'm lazy or because I haven't done
enough to look after my health. Nina: Okay. So you think that there's something that comes into play.
There's nothing I can do with the color of my skin, but people might perceive that there's
something that you can do about what size you are. Ninna: Yeah. However, I think they both identities that people see as
potentially negative. Although I don't think hopefully people will say it as much.

Nina (07:05):
So I mean, this is what I think I would disagree with that. So I think that fatness has more
kind of privileges than race. Ninna: Okay. Potentially, and then actually, I don't think it's a
competition about privileges.Nina: No, but I think that is a really fundamental and important difference.

Ninna (07:26):
And I actually, one of the things that I was also, and I don't know if you know this, but a lot of the anti-fat
movements actually come from the American movements of black women who were fat. And actually,
it's really important to me that we do talk about these issues because I don't want to be stealing
that from them. And I do recognize that I have a lot of privilege from my race and have a

(07:48):
lot of privilege from my education as well. And I have a lot of privilege because I grew up in a
relatively wealthy, eesh, middle-class family. So I recognize all of that privilege. And I think
that's why I want to talk about identity. And actually, why I want to talk to you about identity?
Because I think that element of privilege is so important.Nina: Also in certain cultures, in certain

(08:10):
societies, being fat is actually a power dynamic. So, you know, you'll find like not just women,
but men, especially in Western societies as well. So you'll find leaders who are really, you know,
in good positions like CEOs, and they kind of use their size as part of their power.

(08:32):
There's a lot of research that actually proves that there's huge discrimination against fat people,
particularly fat women, and that we are perceived as lazy, we're perceived as people who
are not committed to ourselves. There are a lot of people that are talking that fatness is the
only accepted form of discrimination nowadays because, I mean, discrimination is always bad and

(08:58):
again, no competition. But the fact that I think people make these assumptions about fat people,
especially fat women. I've been told to my face that I wouldn't be given a job because I was fat.
I was told by my family that I could, I would never be loved, I would never find a job because I'm fat.

(09:19):
And I see your point about cultural differences on that as well because I've discovered much recently
that for not all, because I cannot generalize, but for many African countries being fat is a good thing.
And my partner's from the Gambia.Nina: Yeah, well, Indian culture as well, so it is like, you know,
part of like shows that you are... you don't say fat really, you say healthy. You know, that's the word.

(09:42):
Oh, she's very healthy. That's a euphemism nowadays, but that is the word that is used.
But I can't understand how your family might, you know, be saying those things about you,
saying that you won't be able to get a job, saying that you won't succeed in life for that reason.
And also don't understand because another is a lot of online hate as well against, you know,

(10:07):
plus size people and that is, I just don't get it. Like, what is it to them? Like, why is it such a,
you know, I just, it's just beyond my comprehension, like, like, why?
That's why I love you. But I'm getting emotional now, but I think it's because there's various reasons. So one is there's a very
huge in the West, there's this push for being thin is a good thing. And actually, and this is where

(10:36):
the race issue comes through black bodies, especially women tended to be bigger. So being thin in America
was considered a good thing because you're not like that black servant, which is super horrible.

Nina (10:48):
I think this is where it comes like fat is politics, it's political, the fat body is political,
the black woman is political. Ninna: Exactly. So it's about society. It's not about me only, if that makes sense.
I don't think we can ever separate that. And I, that was a really important thing for me to get to that do.
And I think when, I've actually I've noted this, that we're both activists. So kind of we change society?

(11:11):
And I hope we can. Nina: Yeah, you just keep on, keep on like little pickaxes, keep chipping away.

Ninna (11:21):
Yeah, and then the other thing that I don't think happens with some other characteristics. I'm not
going to compare with which or whatever is that there's a strong relationship in the kind of the,
again, in the Western cultural way of seeing the world between fat and unhealthy. So we've said

(11:41):
that people who are fat, die younger, so there's a cost for society. We tend to take more space
in planes, so we're not allowed in the plane. Like we shouldn't be. And from my family's perspective,
they were not trying to be nasty. They were trying to be helpful, but they did it in a very nasty way,

(12:02):
in which they strongly believed that by having me on a diet since I was eight, they were
helping me become healthy. And what they didn't get is that I didn't. It actually hurt me,
and it hurt me so much. I still feel that hurt. Now, as I'm speaking to you, it really really hurts.

(12:26):
It hurts that I felt unloved, although they did love me. And I felt that there was no way I could
be part of the world being who I was. And actually that was one of the main reasons I think that I ended
up loving the UK, because here I didn't feel people were looking at me that way. And I felt that I

(12:47):
could get a job and I could be happy and and and it feels safe. And it's not, but it's much safer than home.

Nina (12:54):
But do you know, tell us a little bit about the guess that you've got coming on. Ninna
She's a researcher. She works on anti-fats studies. And I found these article she's just published
2024, where she analyzes how a specific movement that's called health and every weight. So how this

(13:17):
is portrayed in social media. And she tells us a lot more about that. And she lives in Canada, so she's joining us online.
I have been reflecting about identity and happiness as I prepare this episode.
And I think there's a relationship between what we think about ourselves and what others say we

(13:38):
should do or think. As an academic, I looked at recently, you're turned this object. And I'm super
excited that Faith Stadnyc, who recently published an academic article about how fat activism
is portrayed in TikTok, has agreed to an interview. So joining us from Canada, thanks Faith for being here.
We have been talking about identity. So how about we start there? How would you describe yourself?

Faith (14:03):
Yeah, so I am a queer, white, fat, settler cis woman. I also identify as disabled and neurodivergent,
and I live and work on the unceded and unsurrendered Algonquin Anishinaabe territory.

Ninna (14:23):
Thank you so much. And I actually was super excited when I read your article, not just because of
the article, but because as an academic, disclosing your identities as you did in the article itself,
and as you do now, can be a huge challenge. And I think it's a great way of showing others how we
should be doing research as well. So thanks for that. And that why did you mention identity

(14:49):
in the research. Why was that important to you? Faith: Yeah, so in feminist research and even social
justice oriented research more broadly, explicitly engaging with your positionality in order to
practice reflexivity or continuous questioning about how your social location or your identities
shape the research that you're carrying out is quite common place. So the idea is that

(15:14):
rather than trying to be objective and ignoring our potential biases, we're acknowledging
that that's impossible when doing social research. And so rather, we put ourselves really deeply
in the research. And it's the idea that once you do it, then your research is ethical and you don't
have to worry about how you're portraying voices of identities that you don't belong to.

(15:41):
And rather than do that, I really like Pillow's concept of uncomfortable reflexivity, which I talk
about in my article, but it's you know that what you're doing is uncomfortable and difficult.
You know, you're not going to get it right. I know as a white person as a settler, I am not going to
fully understand the lived experience of anti-blackness, white supremacy, settler colonialism. So it's not

(16:01):
about that. And it's also not about saying, okay, well, I've acknowledged that so now it's good.
It's rather about like staying in that point of discomfort in order to just do important work because
the alternative is leaving those systems and experiences out of the research, which is obviously
just going to continue to perpetuate those experiences. Nina: So tell us more about the actual paper then.

(16:24):
So what is it that you've you concluded that paper? Faith: Yeah, I mean, I can give a little bit of context
and then I can go into the finding from the article. Ninna: Yeah, go for it. Faith: Health at Every Size is a
framework of care. And it's actually trademarked by the Association for Size Diversity and Health or
ASDAH, which a lot of people do not know because it is such a popular framework and it has really

(16:50):
expanded on social media. Health at Every Size was in historically really largely dominated by
white people and by thin people. And so ASDAH has done a lot of restructuring in I'm not even sure exactly
the last two to four years I'd say, to really change the leadership. So there's a lot more fat people

(17:10):
on the larger end of the fat spectrum, super/infinifat people, black people, queer people, gender queer people,
disabled people. And the Health at Every Size principles have actually redrawn a new iteration
like quite recently as well. One of the main changes was that intuitive eating and joyful movement
or intuitive movement were moved from key principles of the framework to be more tools.

Nina (17:32):
What is intuitive eating? Faith
well-being or intuitive movement. It kind of has some different names that people call it but
intuitive eating. I believe it's 10 principles. I couldn't name them all off the top of my head,
but it's things like reject the diet police, honor your hunger, honor your fullness. Essentially the

(17:59):
idea is, okay, so I'm not going to eat based on what someone is saying I should or have to eat. And I'm
not going to eat to lose weight or to control my weight. I'm going to eat based on what makes me
feel good and well in terms of mentally, spiritually, emotionally, but also physically. Yeah, it's
basically it's really popular in eating disorder care or anti-diet care where people are coming from

(18:22):
really restrictive mindsets, which were all socialized and policed into. And then one of the
principles of intuitive eating is moving for well-being or joyful movement or something.
And Tally Rai is a UK anti-diet physical trainer actually who extended the principles of intuitive eating into

(18:45):
this joyful movement or intuitive movement framework. And it's the same thing. It's like a bunch of
principles basically saying that you should move how much you want, when you want, to the degree you
want, you should do activities that make you feel good, you shouldn't force yourself or punish
yourself, you shouldn't moralize it. And so yeah, these are basically tools for people to
restructure their own personal habits. And people kind of thought of those things as Health at Every Size.

(19:10):
They were they were synonymous and people were kind of missing the point that it's a
it's a framework of care. So it's supposed to increase access to care for fat people and provide
quality care and establish quality health care as a human right for people regardless of their size.
And so that looks like doctors that you can go to and you can say, I have these things I need help

(19:35):
and they won't just say lose weight and send you away. They won't blame everything on your weight.
They won't require you to lose weight. Ninna: I was also kind of reacting to your story because
I have loads of people who go like, no, but no, you're clearly doctors don't discriminate against you.
And I'm like, you know, I go to the doctor myself. I mean, you're right. I don't feel in the chair

(19:58):
sometimes. I have some of these issues. I mean, the UK at least they don't weigh me every single time I go in.
But I've had asthma since I was a child. And I've asked for ask my medication and they just don't give it
to me because there's like, you need to lose weight to get your asthma medication. Because clearly you
can't breathe because you're fat or get like a pain on my leg and I'm like, no, you need to lose weight

(20:18):
because your leg hurts because you're fat. It's not because there might be something underlying
that fatness. I mean, the UK actually, there's a lot of procedures that they wouldn't do
unless people lose weight. And I suppose the other thing is that I don't know your experience,
but as a fat person, it's a scary thing to go to the doctor. It's and there's no emotional safety

(20:40):
either. It should be the people who look after you. And actually just the experience of going there,
it's like, what will they say next and what harm or what kind of bullying am I going to expose
myself every time I am there? And even though in the UK there's less bad than in Chile, for example,
in Mexico. So you looked at how this movement was being portrayed in social media, in TikTok, in particular.

Faith (21:04):
Yeah, okay. So yeah, now that we have the context, kind of set up. So this big critique,
health at every size is healthest. But I have personal experience using the framework and
it was extremely helpful to me. And it was my first dipping my toes into fat activism and fat
liberation. And at the same time, I was also really frustrated with it because I was following all

(21:29):
of these content creators. And no one was posting anything about anything other than food and exercise.
So it's supposed to be this social justice aligned framework, but no one was talking about
Black Lives Matter or the West-Wet and Land Defenders because I was really into this during when
the first year of COVID. And anyway, so my research question is essentially, what are the harms,

(21:55):
limitations and benefits of Health at Every Size? And this specific article focuses on the harms
and limitations. And so essentially what I found is yes, health and every size performances or
communication, discussions on TikTok, which is what I looked at specifically, is embedded with
healthism. I also noticed though that white supremacy, anti-blackness, colonialism, ableism, and

(22:22):
eugenic ideology were also really present in the data. And so that kind of led to the blending of
these things in terms of maybe we're not fully understanding what healthism is and how it operates.
If all of these elements are so key to how healthism is operating in Health at Every Size.
And so besides just identifying these systems in the data, what I also did was

(22:48):
argue for a shift from the definition of healthism to something called co-healthism, just to better capture
the power relations involved in how health is weaponized against particular people. And so I can go
into more detail on that if we go in that direction. But basically it's just the idea of the co in co-healthism
is co-constituting systems of oppression they're acting as a web to require health in order for a

(23:15):
person to have value in society. It's defining health based on one's closeness to a normal or
normative body. So white, thin, able body-minded. And it's also promoting health promotion as removing
and erasing people who are marked as unhealthy. So these people that don't meet these norms.

(23:37):
And proliferating or extending or growing the norms for the people who do. And that's
framed as health promotion. And that's framed as good for society, good for the biological and moral
improvement of society. And so it's able to justify itself. Like everyone thinks promoting health is
good, but it can be so insidious because yes, providing well-being to people is good, but co-healthism is not.

(23:59):
And so the kind of like so what of the article is just that in our fat activism, we have to be
just as critical of co-healthism as we are of anti-fatness. And so we have to resist this urge to
say, fat people are healthy. We are normal. And instead really look at the roots of anti-fatness and

(24:21):
how they're embedded in co-healthism and try to target the system at its roots rather. So transforming
the system rather than looking to be included in the system. Ninna: So what I'm hearing is that when
people talk about this Health at Every Size movement, which is supposed to be about everyone can access

(24:43):
health, whatever our size, they talk about the fact that actually we can be fat and healthy,
and we can be fat and be pretty. So we should be doing certain things. And then what happens with
people who don't want to or cannot do those things? Or what happens with people who
say are not pretty and fat or just ugly in fat society because I don't know there's a one thing

(25:08):
that's ugly or whatever, or who are not these kind of good fat person who's actually making an
effort to be healthy. Because if you're unhealthy in fat, then you don't be sure of access to health
because you're not trying hard enough. I suppose that's kind of what I hear.
Yeah. You're exactly right. There are chronically ill people who, depending on the definition of

(25:32):
health that you use, are never going to be understood as healthy. And under co-healthism, anyone who is
on the margins or on the outside of mainstream power. So black people, indigenous people, disabled
people, super/infinifat people, are also not going to be able to access this healthiness.
So the definition of it in terms of it's commonly understood as lack of disease and a complete

(26:00):
presence of well-being, spiritual, emotional. And that's like I am kind of like who is meeting that definition?
But yeah, so why are we leaving behind unhealthy? Why don't we care about the unhealthy?
That's whether or not it's a more physical biomarker kind of identification of it or this more
social thing that I've done in terms of how health is understood under co-healthism.

Nina (26:21):
Actually, this whole conversation reminds me of one TikTok and she's on Instagram as well,
influencer. She was overweight and she was fashion and she was like, you know, amazing style plus size.
And she just looked incredible. Well, it just goes to show like how the TikTok, so basically she

(26:43):
got caught into this videos of her exercising, right? So then all of a sudden her like feeds were
just full of her like being on the peloton and just going crazy. And now she's lost loads of weight.
And you just see a sweaty and in gym clothes the whole time half the size of what she was when

(27:04):
why was that she became so big on TikTok, you know? And I'm just kind of like I miss the one
that was, you know, that's what we liked about her, you know? And now she's half of who she was.
And it's not nice to see her sweaty and in gym clothes half the size it she was, you know?

Ninna (27:25):
But again, you see it about, and I think you would have picked me on this one if I'd said something
like that about race. But you see it about, like, we want to see fat people as well. We want people
going, you know, on the journey or on the healthiness or what obviously are we objectifying people,
just because we go like we want to see you on whatever? I don't know.

Nina (27:48):
Well, I think what made her popular was the fact that she was a plus size woman looking great
in whatever she chose to wear, like her style was that as a plus size woman. Now she doesn't have that.
I'll just wonder that TikTok, the algorithm, how it feeds, it actually feeds this gym culture, you know?
Like that is like part of the algorithm. She probably saw like, oh, you know.

Ninna (28:10):
But it... do you think it, I'm going to wonder because I don't know we have an answer,
but is it the algorithm or is it the people who are actually looking at that, you know?

Nina (28:19):
Also that, because it led itself to extremes as well, doesn't it?

Ninna (28:23):
Yeah. Nina

Faith (28:29):
I really like a Imani Barbarin. She goes by Crutches and Spice on social media,
but she does like just videos on disability justice, fat activism, anti-racist activism,
and so her work is very much kind of getting at what I'm getting at from the lived experience

(28:55):
of someone who's experiencing all these things, but like getting at the root of the problems.
I honestly...Nina: She sounds great. Faith: I don't really follow a whole bunch of people on social media, like I
I follow like 60 people and it's mostly my friends. Ninna: Not to worry, but can I...?

Nina (29:14):
But at least those people do get a platform whereas, you know, maybe they're not feeding
into the algorithm, but there are more fat people now on social media than they've ever been,
say, on legacy media. So the platform in general, is it a good place for fat people to be?

Faith (29:33):
Yes and no. The thing with social media is that you can kind of curate your page in a lot of ways.
And I actually, I have another article with Fadi Shannuda, Nicole Shott, that I've co-authored with them,
and it talks about targeted ads of oppression, working from Noble's idea of algorithms of oppression,

(29:57):
and it's talking about anti-fat and sanist ads on social media and how they target people. And so,
that's kind of getting into what I'm getting at, but so you can curate your feed, but the algorithm is
ultimately still driving it. And so, for example, if you're into Health at Every Size, and you're looking at
all these Health at Every Size posts, the algorithm might just think health and might associate health

(30:21):
with weight loss, and you'll get a bunch of that popped in there too, because it just doesn't quite
understand. And then you get targeted ads for, like, bariatric surgery or a shredding workout plan,
or a meal plan, or whatever. And like, as you're trying to curate your feed, you still
can't stop the incessant and anti-fatness that the algorithm is feeding you through ads and through

(30:43):
targeted posts. But yes, it allows for, obviously, like, a grassroots resistance. A lot more fat people can
just get on and be content creators, as opposed to having to, like, get cast in traditional media.
But yeah, the online world social media is embedded with all the same systems of oppression
as the real world. So, it's not some sort of utopia. And you can find community, and you can find

(31:07):
niches on there. And you can, you know, really curate your feed to the best of your ability.

Ninna (31:11):
So, going back to your research. You say in the results that besides these kind of negative
portrayals, there's also some sort of liberation that you call healing and world building.
In, like, one sentence, when would these be? Faith: Collective and community care of others that are
going through similar pain as you, through that care, you're both caring for yourself and others.

(31:36):
So, and then thinking about our listeners and how they might be pursuing happiness, because they're
looking at... listening to this podcast on Happiness at Every Size, how might you find things
inform how I should do this and how we can help them?Faith: I think just the idea that happiness or

(31:57):
well-being more broadly is not an individual or a personal endeavor. It is. And there are things
that you can do to care for yourself. And that includes blocking anti-fat ads on social media,
reporting them. It includes reading fat liberation literature, and art. And it involves finding fat friends
and following fat people on social media. And those things are caring for yourself,

(32:24):
but you're also building community. And just remembering the importance of cross-movement solidarity.
So, rather than thinking about just anti-fatness, fat liberation has always been a movement committed
to cross-movement solidarity. And none of us can achieve happiness in well-being while these systems
of oppression are largely constraining our lives. And so, that is just as much an important element

(32:48):
as finding redress while we're living in the systems. Because we are living in the systems that we
do need immediate relief and care. And yeah, community can be a huge part of that.
Right. Thank you so, so much for your time. It's in lovely having you.

Faith (33:01):
Thank you. Nina

Ninna (33:08):
Quick chat. What do you think about when we were talking with space?

Nina (33:14):
It was really interesting because it's just a whole rabbit hole or wherever you want to call it,
going into looking at that kind of content on TikTok especially. Ninna: And I love what...
People finding their communities, I think it's brilliant as bad as it is as well, you know.

Ninna (33:36):
Because it depends a lot on who you end up with or who attacks you or like because yeah,
I always had when I had X which I don't have anymore, Twitter. It felt like a whole people were
lovely but then some people have terrible experiences. Nina: I don't go on X anymore. Ninna: I don't go on X anymore because of recent...

Nina (33:53):
Do you do on Threads? Ninna
all of the things fate has set because I've obviously read the article and it's very academic and
uses these big words. But when we translate it in this idea that when we think of this co-healthism,

(34:14):
it's just about the fact that we need to consider people's lived experiences and identities.
And understand that we all have elements of our identity that potentially give us privilege
and others that give us... that are part of oppression systems and that we are there to support
each other in the root. Nina: Is it like, you know, you want it's like how letting the medical professionals

(34:41):
or telling the medical professionals teaching them of different experiences. They can't just turn
around and say, oh, eat more healthy when that person probably might not have any control of
what food they eat. Ninna: Yeah, and also the fact that genuinely all of the research there is out there...
but also, would you stop? I'm going to use a kind of site, there's other unhealthy behaviors.

(35:07):
So for example, there are a lot of extreme sports people who genuinely harm themselves,
but no one would tell them stop your sports because of your health.
Like it's seen as a good thing or... so it goes beyond that. It's about the fact that as a doctor,

(35:30):
you're supposed to just care for the person who's there and the problem they have.
All this idea that they are helping you if they say all of this stuff that is not very helpful.

Ninna (35:42):
It's not at all. I mean, I don't think it is. I don't think there's any fat person in the world
who's never been told they should lose weight.Nina: That's why I was so interested in this
concept of intuitive eating because I mean, it sounds wonderful, you know, that you can

(36:04):
learn how to just appreciate and be with food and the love of food without having all of this extra kind of...
So do you have that as well? That kind of worry about the food and...
because I don't have it anymore, I just enjoy it. Nina: Yeah, well, I enjoy it as well.

(36:25):
But yeah, let's go and have dinner.
This podcast was produced and edited by Manish Verma.
If you like my podcast, follow me on Instagram or wherever you listen.
Find the show notes in my website if you want to know more, participate in other episodes or by me a coffee.
Advertise With Us

Popular Podcasts

Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.

24/7 News: The Latest

24/7 News: The Latest

The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.

Stuff You Should Know

Stuff You Should Know

If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.

Music, radio and podcasts, all free. Listen online or download the iHeart App.

Connect

© 2025 iHeartMedia, Inc.