The Intermat Wrestling Podcast: Jax Forrest's Top 10 Schools + NWCA All Star Matches - IWP 9-24-25

The first set of NWCA All Star matches have been released. The team digs into what they think of the bouts and who they are putting their money on. Also, top prospect Jax Forrest released his top ten schools so we discuss where we could see him heading after high school.
 
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right, all right, all right, welcome back to the Internet
Wrestling Podcast. We got Kevin, Robbie Austin, and myself back again.
Kevin was recording another show. He's cheating on us for
a week, but he's back in the mix. And before
we even get started and dig into the topics that
we have today, definitely want to send, you know, some

(00:21):
thoughts and prayers out to Alan Vera's family, Greco athlete
who passed away this week. Really really sad news, and
you know, just not much that you can really say,
just honestly, very very sad. He was also a soccer
player as well as a wrestler and said how much
he loved soccer as well as wrestling, and you know,
I was able to do everything that he loved when

(00:42):
it came to sports, as he had signed for signed
with that soccer team a little while back as well
as still competing for the Greco team as well.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
And so just really.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Really sad news to hear that Alan Vera passed away. So,
like I said, thoughts some prayers to his family and
hopefully they they are doing well through everything that they're
going through.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I be very very careful with you know, don't take
anything to granted, you know obviously like this is one
of those things as you get older and you're like, wow, okay, family, Yeah,
those are the things you've got to be around. And
I I couldn't imagine, you know, being in a position
like that. So parsed all of them absolutely for.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Sure, you know. So let's transition.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
I know it's very hard to transition from news like
that to talking about wrestling, but let's let's attempt to
do it. Our first topic that we want to discuss
is the first four bouts of the nw C A
All Star Classic.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
That was released this week.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
We've got RockA Wells versus Levi Haynes, Shane van Ness
versus Ty Waters, now see your Bailey versus Evan Frost,
Steven Little versus Zach bronegle pretty good set of matches
that we have so far. Mean, we even got a
little bit of Cargasaraci trash talk in the post as well.
We can get to But first off, what do you

(02:07):
guys think of these first four matches that we found
out about and are there any of them of these
first four that you're a little bit more intrigued about
than the other.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
I like seeing this year up there, kind of high
high on him going into last season, and it was
nice to see him kind of coming on the top
and making a big push last year. So it's nice
to see him get some shine preseason, get you know,
get get out there in the spotlight a little bit
more for the program as well. So that one's a
fun one in my mind.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I completely agree. I'm rocking my Little Rock stuff here.
But you know, I was going one ninety seven. We
haven't seen Zach Bronagle in a minute at least in
the collegiate rank and collegiate ranks, and I mean his
ascension at one ninety seven was so much fun to watch.
I guess he was at eighty four before then. But

(03:03):
he's just so physical and so dominant, and I'm looking
forward to seeing him with another year of you know,
primarily Greco training. Steven Little All American all credit to him.
And again I'm wearing the Little Rock shirt, so I
know how good he is. But he's gonna be going
up against, uh, you know, a man in Jack Bronagle.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
I think Bronagle gets like de facto Dad strength from
his hairline, even though I don't think he has a
kid that I'm aware of, but I think he gets
the vibes of the dad strength from that. And you
see the physicality with it.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Well, if let's be honest, if you heard the Broneagles
talk right like the thick accent and they're just all
those brothers just beating the hell out of each other,
I'm sure like that it's physical, gonna get physical, different
levels to it.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
So we'll see the basement in that house has probably
seen a fight, a fight or two, a lost two
or two, because those guys are absolute hammers. Probably probably
happened there's there's there's a there's a lot that probably
happened down there.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
I I agree with with you, Robbie, with.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Seeing NASR out there, and mostly because like we talked
a lot last year about how these guys at Little
Rock were going to be probably hit really hard with
the donor.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Money and the the n I L money and.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Everything else being thrown at them from being at, you know,
such a small program. I was fortunate enough to be
at a leade eight calling those matches over the this
past weekend with the assistant coach at Little Rock, Albert White,
and awesome guy you know, was awesome to sit talking
you know, chat with him about his guys in the
program and everything that they're building, and you know, I
think that those guys are you know, they're going to

(04:49):
keep ascending. I would not be surprised to see Little
or Bailey be at the top.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Of the podium before they're done at Little Rock.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
I know, we you know, on this show, we definitely
predicted that those guys were going to be the first
All Americans. I would not be surprised if they are
the first NCAA champions either. What Neil Arismon is doing along,
you know, with the rest of the coaching staff, just
love to see it, and you know, love the fact
that they have two guys, you know, both Little and
Bailey are in this this first you know set of

(05:22):
of matchups that we're going to be seeing.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
So that's huge for the program.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
It's really really big for wrestling to see such great
ascension in such a short amount of time. So Robbie,
I'm on the I'm on the Little Rock train with
you and Kevin. I don't have the shirt to go
along with it, but I'm certainly drinking the kool aid
when it comes to Little Rock Austin.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Anyway, One upstairs, wake the kids up to grab.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
So yeah, I was gonna bring up a point about
two guys from Little Rock in the All Star event,
and you kind of said that there that I think
that's really cool. You see two Penn State guys, which
is expected. There's probably going to be more so, especially
since it's at Penn State this year. But you know,
it's just the first four bouts. But you expect Iowa
and there, you expect Michigan, but you see two Little

(06:08):
Rock guys. You know, I think that's really cool, really
eye opening for the program. And I'm looking forward to
that seventy four match. You know it'll be now it's
Levi Haynes is confirmed to be up two way classes.
You know, see how he handles rock a welch there,
and I like forty nine as well, with van Ness
coming back from injury and Waters he's fun to watch.

(06:28):
He's a goer, man. I think those those two are
the ones I'm looking at. I mean, all of them
will be good, obviously, but those just two that kind
of stuck out my mind because cool tattoos in this
graphic too, Welch and Waters.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
It really takes away if you put that in black
and white, So I'm glad they went full color on
that that layout. I think what you hit on there,
and it needs to be kind of emphasized is And
I know he gets a lot of props, but Arismon
has done just a phenomenal job from the get go
start that program from nothing, you know, for me, effectively

(07:02):
an empty building to building into what it is now.
You know, great support from staff, great support from his school,
and never afraid to jump to a challenge, never afraid
to get his guys out into the spotlight. And that's
what we're seeing here too, Like it's it's just another
opportunity for them to continue to jump levels, both individually
and asse a program. And he's he's done a damn
good job putting that program in a position to be

(07:24):
successful as.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well as keeping the talent.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Like you said, like there there were an airasman said it,
and I know I've said it before, but Arismon talked
about how his guys were being contacted during the year
last year, and he, you know, he'd said it during
the presser at NCAA's where he's like, I already know
that my guys are being contacted, right, So like props

(07:48):
to them for whatever they did to keep those guys
in the program, because we've seen the big names leave.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Other pretty big programs.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I mean, think about Arizona State losing two of their
hammers this year, right, jacquarda teamer gone right, Like guys
that they probably thought they were going to be able
to kind of lay kind of rest the gold around
their neck at the end of the year, right, and
it's just like they're gone. So the fact that we
have this very small program that is already lighting things

(08:24):
up when it comes to being on the podium, and
not only that now they're in the All Star class
like a year later, huge props to them. The matchup
that I really can't wait to see, and we just
saw Levi Haynes at the trials where he looked pretty
damn good to be honest, is with Roca Welsh. I

(08:46):
mean Welsh obviously NCA runner up last year to Carter
Sarachi Leevy, Haynes a champion down at a much lower
weight than he's going to be at. So I think
that's going to be really really interesting to see how
he matches up. Obviously, we just saw him handle o'tool
at those trials, and I think if you put o'tool

(09:09):
versus Welch in any of this, you're thinking O'tool's going
to come out on top of that, right, And now
you see Haynes stepping in and it's essentially could be
his weight class to take over with the ascension for him.
So that's probably, like, you know, outside of being a
fan and loving the fact that Little Rock is getting

(09:29):
some shine, that is the most intriguing matchup for me.
Because we've only got a very small sample size of
one hundred and seventy four.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Pound le by Haynes.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
I'm going to make my pick in that one, and
I'm going to take Haynes just and like I said,
I know we have a small sample size, but it
wasn't like the match that he had with O'Toole wasn't
a fundamental, fundamentally folk style match, Like, it wasn't like
there was anything that he was doing in that freestyle

(10:02):
match that he wouldn't do in folk style. So it's
just like the control that he showed how he went
about attacking a guy like O'Toole, who is much bigger
and who has been bigger than him for quite a
long time. He's like, I'm not cutting any weight anymore.
This is basically natural weight for me. I feel great
in this weight class and you saw it at the trials.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
So I'm gonna go with Haines.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
I think that he brings he has already you know,
brought the motor with him to the weight class, and
I think that's what's going to differentiate him in this
in this matchup.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
What are your guys thoughts on this matchup specifically?

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah, I mean Haynes at one seventy four is going
to be interesting. There were times last year where you
could tell that the weight cut was getting to him.
I mean, by the time NCAA's rolled around, he clearly
looked like he had it together and was in the
right spot. But yeah, during the Big ten season, it
was just, you know, on again, match to match. It's
really hard to you know, go through the season the

(11:01):
way he did. But yeah, I think it's going to
be interesting to see what he does there. And you know,
let's not forget Rocco wasn't the starter for most of
the year, right, and he had a great NCAA run
And I'm not trying to take anything away from him
by by saying it this way because I'm a huge
Roco fan, But I don't know, I just my position

(11:25):
is not really talking about the All Star Classics so
much as I want to see him go through a
full season at one seventy four to two, and how
he's able to use his style and again the same
sort of physicality that you see in a bronegle and
how that holds up through the season, and what he's
added to to put more points on the board too,
because that's going to be huge for him during this
during the year, keeping up with a guy like Levi

(11:48):
in this match in particular, though.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Agreed.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Austin probably anything.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
Yeah, I mean part of me is it's earlier in
the year. How big is we Levi Hayneses going to be?
Is he going to be a full size one seventy
four yet? Is that going to take some time to develop?
You know, come March, it's a different match.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
I wonder, I wonder what he weighed in at for
the Trials, right, like, yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
Yeah, you gotta wonder. I mean RockA Wah is obviously
a full size one seventy four pounder, and again it's
still his exhibition matches so early in the year. You know,
these matches are tough to predict, but I'm kind of
in a welch just based on size. And you know,
I think that that loss in Nancy finals may have
maybe stick around with him, might have an anti Penn

(12:34):
State thing in his mind.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
But yeah, just think you needed that loss for that
that happened.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
Well, yeah, I guess you're probably right. But you know
now they've done it last year.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, I don't like them.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, now, Ohio State and Penn State don't get along.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
Oh yeah, it's a new rivalry.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
It's brand new. It is brand new. It's so the
wounds are so fresh.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
Yeah, you know what kind of home crowd advantage are
we're going to get in state college too?

Speaker 1 (13:04):
I mean, the same one we sold the Olympic Trials,
so we thought recently it was thick too.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
It was the Ultra Classic? Was it Penn State last
year too?

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Yeah? If RockA loses, his career might be over. So
gotta be careful.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, they do make some something the veiled threats when you're.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Change wads and go make the world team later. Yeah,
I don't know. I mean, there's a lot to read
into that as far as location and trying to play
I don't know, play Kate Penn State and to get
them involved because they're not going to be involved if
it's not there. I mean, that's a whole separate conference.
I mean, I don't know. I don't know either. I

(13:43):
mean that's certainly an argument to you, Mad and a
discussion to be had is you know, how much would
they participate if it weren't in their backyard? But I mean,
I think it's going to be a good showcase for
Haynes to see where he's at. That's a good marker.
I don't know, it's kind of the same thing as
he you know, is he going to be does he

(14:03):
continue to grow throughout the season to get to a
full sign of seventy four? Is there any cutting involved
at all? There's a lot of kind of unknowns in
that situation. But I think from what we saw at
the Olympic Trials or the World Team trials, he looks
dan good. So it's gonna be hard to see anybody
beating him right now.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, that that's what I'm That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
And Kevin, I know you mentioned, you know Roca Wolfs
didn't have a full season, but even without having a
full season, he was still a surprise to make the finals.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
You know, I don't I don't think that anybody really.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Expected him to be the guy on the other side
to be wrestling Sarachi, right, So, I don't know. I
I ultimately feel like by the time this match happens
on one of.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
The when's the All Star Classic.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
November sixteen, sixteenth sixteenth, Yeah, so I think. But by
the time it happens, Hanes is even bigger than he
was at the Trials.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
But I don't know, I just feel like his.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Style is a is a matchup that doesn't bode well
for for Welsh, right for Welsh, It just doesn't.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
I'm just more I'm leaning more Levi Haynes here, just because,
like I said, what we just saw him do at
the trials, and call it recency bias, maybe that's what
it is. But to a guy of O'Toole's caliber, right, yeah,
just like that's that's a lot.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
It's conventional wisdom. Right. Do you think that O'Toole would
beat Roco Welsh right now?

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (15:42):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Right? Okay, So then if we think that, then we
probably think that Levi Haynes, who just beat O'Toole, would
beat Roco Welsh. It's just you know, process of elimination
of sort of.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
But yeah, but I don't even think that any of
us had picked Hanes to beat a tool either if
they were to match up, right, like, like, no, I didn't.
That's the thing is like o'tool, he's super, He's he's big.
He was big at seventy four at the trial, he
is he was a full blown seventy four last year.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
He just was not gonna, you know, leave like sixty
five like that.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Would have been, even though him versus s Tarachi probably
would have would have been an amazing match, not to
say that him wrestling car wasn't, but man, holy shit,
that that would have probably blew the roof off of
the entire stadium.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Well and shoot, I think I just lost my point.
But like o'tool, I lost my point. I completely lost it.
But no, yeah, he's awesome. He's he's really really good.
He's certainly a full sized guy. Oh that's what was.
It was a week ago when I was recording Blood Round.
That's what I realized. Like I was looking through the
brackets as we were talking about you know and recapping

(16:53):
the trials and I go, oh wow, I didn't realize
that Levi Haynes beat Kegan O'Toole. And then I watched
the match and I was like, oh yeah, he just
kind of yeah. It was just takedowns, you know, It's
not like he caught him in a trap arm gut
and they went out of bounds and that was you know,
seventy five percent of his points. Not at all. So,
by the way, also a match to watch. I think

(17:14):
we talked about it probably before it happened, but Andonian
and Will Lawan that was a fun one. So check
that out.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
A couple of big moses were fun. His matches. Parker
was fun too.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Unfortunately Ian Parker tours Elsie out that match. It sucks, but.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, that's never fun. That is never.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
The The next match on here is Shane van Ness.
You know, obviously another Penn State guy, but he had
a season ending ending injury last year, was out for
the entire season and he's got ty waters and I
think as the season went on we kind of felt
like this would have been a huge matchup to be

(17:57):
last year as well. But we're gonna get it at
the all Star Classic. I can't wait to see how
van Ness is.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Coming off of injury. It's obviously been a very long time.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
It's been what almost the year since he was injured
and had to go through rehab and get back on
the mat and everything else. I think this is the
year that van Ness wins a title. A lot of
people thought that that was going to be last year
with him, you know, before he got injured.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I think it's this year.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
I think that that this is the year for van
Ness to win a title because that man works hard
as hell, not to say that these other guys don't,
but he is a bruiser, he's got heavy hands, he's
got I mean, we saw what he did two years
ago in Oklahoma at ncaaa's, So, like, I think that's
going to be a huge match.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
And like I said, I'm taking Haynes in this one.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Nothing against Waters obviously was worth at last year's ncaaas.
And he's he's also huge, So I think that's what
might give van Ness a little trouble, is just that
size advantage, not to you know, kind of rehash the
same argument we just had for seventy four.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
But Vanessa isn't very big.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
He's not.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
He's just about the same size as Bo Bartlett, right,
Like they're not very much different in size there. So
I think that's what gives a little trouble is Waters
is a long, really lanky guy, and Vanessa is going
to have to finish his shots quickly, which he already does.
But you don't want to get tied up with a

(19:35):
guy like Water because it's basically like, you know, being
wrapped up in a freaking octopus.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Any any thoughts on this one, guys, Well.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
That's what I was going to say a moment ago
was that it was if I remember and I was
looking at it here, Yeah, I was like she and
Vaness kind of falls in that same rock O Welsh category.
Like granted, you know Welsh made the finals, but it
wasn't like people were going in the n C double A
is like Shane van Ness is, you know, gonna make

(20:03):
the Semis against the Yannie and and you know make
it a yeah exactly, but like nobody thought that ahead
of time. As my point, he had a good season,
he was a twelve seed and he you know, high
upside coming in the next season or this past season,
I should say, and I mean I know he's a
high recruit. I know he's he's really good. I know

(20:24):
he finished the season strong. Coming back from injury can
be really hard, and I think ty Waters is a
guy who was good all year last year again is
huge and is coming in here to be like this
is You're gonna have to get through me before you
start thinking that this is just your spot again. You know. Plus,
if you're you know, West Virginia, I'm sure they're being like, Hey,

(20:47):
you're gonna go into their house and you're gonna take
his his toys and you're gonna leave right Like that's
that's what we're gonna do here. Uh, they're the they're
the favorites and we're the underdogs and and you know
lean into that as you trained.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
So that's what shout out to West Virginia for having
a guy in here too. Like like you said before,
like the usual suspects are here of you know, Penn State,
and I'm sure you know we'll probably see teamer in here.
I have no intel on any of these matchups, but
I'm sure there will be, you know, some sort of
Iowa representation in here.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
We West Virginia hasn't been you know, top tier.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
I mean they had noise that had and you know,
catching lightning in a bottle type NCAA's years ago, but
you know, couldn't duplicate it after that, right, So like
seeing how they are getting these better recruits, and you know,
seeing Waters at the All Star Classic, like and I
know we've kind of repeated it at nauseum, but like

(21:44):
this All Star Classic is not something to take lightly
because of the matchups that have come before them. I
mean just Dake versus Taylor alone is what tells.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
You why this is important.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
And the gravity of the matchups that are happening at
you know, at his All Stars. So you know, little
Rock in West Virginia being able to be represented to
kick off the season essentially is awesome. So yeah, and
I agree with you. I think Waters is gonna He
is one of those guys that just has like that
mentality of like this is your house, but I'm kicking

(22:18):
the door down right, And West Virginia has done a
very good job of instilling that in there guys with
the with the coaching staff that they have. Uh Port
was Mitchellport was actually at the lead A tools as well,
and he he had his eye on on some you know,
high level guys, and I think that he They're going

(22:38):
to continue to get some really good recruits at West Virginia,
especially if Waters continues to do the things that that
he's doing. And they have nice facilities at West Virginia too,
so it's not like nice at least us exactly right.
So I think those guys are going to continue to ascend,
and it's probably gonna be on the on the back

(22:59):
of high Waters and how well he continues to do.
Any other thoughts on this one, Robbie Austin.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
That a lot.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
I mean, Waters was one of those guys that you
kind of left the season feeling really good about, you know,
high rank your group, going in what two time p
a state champ. So he's no slacks coming into college,
great freshman year, you expect to pick things of him.
I mean, having Port to wrestle around with every day
is probably not hurting him either. So interested to see

(23:33):
kind of how he comes out here. I think he
could really set the tone for a season. Getting to
win here would be pretty major for him to get
his sophomore campaign started up.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
Yeah, I agree, And just obviously we talked before Van
Nesk coming off that injury. You know, what kind of
wrestling has he done up to this point? What kind
of wrestling will he do up to November sixteenth. We
kind of talked every year Penn State kind of eases
their way into the season a little bit. They don't
really have too many tough matches in the first semester.

(24:08):
I don't think that's a horrible thing to say. That's
kind of the truth that they do. And yeah, it's
interesting to see him coming off injury wrestling in this event.
I was a little maybe not shocked to see that,
but I was thinking, that's one guy I wouldn't see
there because just injury and kind of easing him back
into it.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, that is that is probably the most shocking thing, right,
It's just the fact that he hasn't wrestled in a
year and his first match back is going to be
against a guy that he could potentially see in the
NTA Finals. So that's a hell of a way to
test it and it's going to be a very good match,

(24:46):
I believe thirty three we talked about about Bailey, but
Frost is definitely no slouch. And obviously these guys were
both in the bracket last year. I can't remember if
they if they hit, I don't have the bracket in
front of me right now, so I can't remember if
they hit at all.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I'll look it up quick. I was just looking up.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
They probably did during the season, though, right.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Were they both at the Journeyman duels with Cornell?

Speaker 2 (25:18):
I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
We're there, right, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Cannot remember, honestly.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
I got the brackets right here.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Let's let's fire up old wrestle stat because we can
do that.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Frost, No, Frost lost to fix.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah he lost a fix. I know he lost to
fix to to one.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Side maybe, but I don't know if they hit, like
during the season or anything else like that. I don't remember,
and I probably should have looked at it before we
started recording.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
But yeah, now this is more fun.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
This is way more fun. Let's let's do a little bit.
We're gone.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Happened Bailey Tech falled him in two minutes?

Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah, I was just looking at this.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Well, maybe they should have rethought that match up. I'm
maybe they didn't look it up there.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
I think I think they I think they go off
the improvement, right, like that's a that's that's a hell
of a first first match right the and for them
to be now meeting in the All Star Classic when
you know they're both ranked top five and even though
Frost tech them, Bailey outplaces him at NCAA AS so

(26:34):
that also.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Speaks the way around Bailey.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, oh, Bailey tech Frost. Okay, my bad.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
Took them down and turn them a bunch would be
my guess, because.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Tilt til video address.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
What's that? I say, no matter what I'm going with Bailey, But.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah, no, I agree, I'm full on.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Them that I was there before I knew that'st.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Why has it gone from being a preseason event to
being two weeks into the season Because this used to
be and it used to not count on records too correct.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I don't know to be I don't think it still does.
I don't think it does now.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Count records. It still doesn't count on records, I don't believe,
except for the record of public opinion, which.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I think we're you know, fans, and we definitely
use it. But I don't think it's used in like racketing, right,
like if if Frost beats Bailey in this, I don't
think it counts to like towards like NCAA seeding, right.
I mean it might because it might when it comes

(27:56):
to human error and movement, right, but not in the
sense of record versus record, you know. So yeah, But
I mean you're you're right about it not being before
the season anymore.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Because I liked that.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
I liked that being good. That was why it was
called the Kickoff Classic because it kicked off the season.
It was the week before actual matches started, and that
was always I felt it was always a good way
to kind of get everybody energized and back into the
swing before everything ramps up. So I know things change,
and schedules are what schedules are, but I like that

(28:35):
being a preseason event.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
With my pick being Bailey, I do think it is
way closer this time around.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Because you saw the improvement.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
And I mean, you can say what you want about
Dayton Fix kind of shutting down his offense in later,
more tense rounds at NCAA's but if Frost was a
match that Dayton Fix felt he could open up in.
He opens up in that match because we've seen him

(29:07):
do it. We've seen him do it a ton in
early round matchups. He's in, he's out, he's done, you know,
he's back at the hotel. Obviously this was a later
round match, so he's you know, a little bit more puckered,
I guess you could say. And Frost was right there
with him, right, and they they wrestled a number of times,

(29:28):
Fix beat him eight five, and then it was tiebreaker.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
The next time they wrestled and he beat him.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
He beat him eight five two weeks prior at Big Twelves,
and then after that, you know, they went to tiebreaker
and it was two to one. So who knows what
what changed or what Frost was doing. And mind you,
they also wrestled again earlier on the season, and every

(29:57):
single time they wrestled was you know, right there getting
closer and closer, right, It went from eleven to five
to what I say, eight five or eleven three to
eight five to two one in ultimately and tiebreaker.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
So like.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
That's that's testament to the growth and everything that happens
at Iowa State as well. So I think, you know,
even though Bailey tech him at the beginning of the
year in their duel meet literally in the first period, Jesus,
it's I still fink I think Bailey is the favorite,

(30:36):
but not by as much as people probably think, basing
it off of their their previous meeting, that's just you know,
I think that's probably pretty safe to say. Now, we
already talked about van Ness coming back off an injury,

(30:57):
Zach ronegell is coming back off of the Olympic red shirt,
and he's up aweight, right. I think he was at
you No, he was at ninety seven, he was at
eighty four, and he spent one year at ninety seven
and then he took an Olympic red shirt.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
But I think that's you know, Kevin, like you said,
that's going to be It's going to be really interesting.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
To see how he competes now that he did a
full year of just like reco training, where that is
becoming a hand fighting specialist, and it is basically what
these guys do at ninety seven. There's not a lot
of guys with a lot of movement and sickness and
everything else. It's a lot of hand fighting. It's a
lot of wrestling in a phone booth. You're not wrestling
on the outside.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
So I want to as much as I.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Would, you know, like to go with Steven Little because
of what we saw last year. I'm going Bronagle here
based off the fact that he can do damage inside
the ties and his strength and ability to use his
leverage has probably grown exponentially.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
But he's also really really good.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Like, outside of the fact that he's never been an
All American, he's a three time NSA qualifier, he's also
really damn good. So I'm gonna go with Bronagle. I'm
gonna try not to be such a little rock Homer
in this episode, So I'm gonna go with with Bronagle,
and I think that the training that he put in
over this last year is going to be a huge

(32:21):
factor in in this matchup.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Thoughts, gentlemen, I'm doing the same. It was my match
I wanted to see. I think I'm gonna I'm gonna
go with old Man Bronagle, just doing strength man, come in.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Old Man Bronagle.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
It's funny because I think there are a lot of
people that were like, he still has a year left,
Like what the hell? I guarantee you he does not
get booed though, like Dayton fixed it for being an
old man in Tash.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
I'm going with Bronagle for the same reason I'm putting
no old mobany on the podium this year. And the
ball guys. We gotta stick together and support each other
throughout the struggles that we're gonna have this year. No, really,
Bronagle's damn good. Thank you, Kevin. I appreciate it. He's
really good. It's gonna be interesting to see kind of

(33:13):
how those tactics play out coming off a year of
Greco and I mean he always he's always had good offense.
I'm interested to see how that translate if it if
it allows him to open up a little bit more
and get to some positions to get his offense going.
So excited to see where he's at.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
Yeah, I mean I like this match because Little's coming
off such a great year, you know, a great program.
We've talked about them all the time, and you got
Bronagle who hasn't wrestled folk style in over a year.
So you know, the excitement from on his part too,
to get back in there and be able to touch
a leg every now and then might be a little
more interesting for him, more exciting for him, you know.
But I think he gotta go, Bronicle. Just physicality, toughness,

(33:56):
and he's what probably six or seven of your you're
now you know, not to not brag on him. But
you know, you're just a little older and a little
more experience, I.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Think, and.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Remember back in the day when the Van Wilder playing
was like some huge joke and now it's like literally
happening every single year.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Yeah, great movie, too, great movie. Was it us that
we're talking the other day about peak Tarror Reid? Where
was that? I don't remember where that was? Could have
been anywhere? Yeah, man, I cannot keep a thought in
my head right now, having so much I think that's.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Probably the issue right there.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I don't know, broad goes good. Uh, that's probably my point.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, I like I said, I think that it is
the physicality, not to say that Little isn't a physical wrestler.
I just think that the hand fighting is where the
advantage is going to be. And you know, Little will
probably make all of us look stupid and come out
with ankle picks and you know, look like Jordan Burrows

(35:08):
shooting doubles from the outside.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Just because we're saying this, but all.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
That comes out.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
That's what my point was gonna be. Though. It's like,
I know, we talk about like, oh, this guy hasn't
you know, wrestled folk style in a while? And it's like, well,
first of all, he's been wrestling in college for eight years, right,
and then second of all, like, you don't just like
forget how to do it? Like is that like he's like, whoa,
I forgot? Like how does the scoring work here? When

(35:36):
do we do the Clint isn't there? Parterer? Like, No,
he knows what he's doing. He'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, I'm convinced that if kamal Bay decided to like
take a year of college wrestling, it would be must see.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Like he was.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
I'm here for that.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
He was awesome to watch in high school. I remember
him trying to jump over Mark Hall like it was.
He was an insane folk style wrestler. I think, you know,
if we brought some of those Greco guys back into
the folk style mix. Guy, at least guys like him
and and you know and Jesse Porter that just like
absolutely go for it, it would be it would be something.

(36:13):
It would certainly be something to see.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
But yeah, folks style run, Yeah, I certainly would. I
certainly I would also entertain a Kyle Day Greco run.
I would certainly would. He was a he was a
Greco champ back on the day as.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Well, maybe his second set of twenties, he can do it.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, exactly, They're coming around. Yeah, they're coming, They're coming
back around.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
I'm pretty sure he goes back to Fargo, picks up
a title, and then.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Goes So those are the first couple of matchups we
have with the All Star Classic. Good piece of information
that was dropped last week. Now let's shift a little
bit back to high school and Jack's are released. His
top ten schools in the mixer Iowa, Iowa State, Lehigh, Michigan, Nebraska,

(37:06):
North Carolina, NC State, Ohio State, Oklahoma State, Penn State.
So half of them are state schools. I like, like
my opinion of Bo Bassett, I no longer see him

(37:28):
leaving the East Coast. At one point I saw him
going to Oklahoma State because the writing was kind of
on the wall of them recruiting him kind of early
in a sentence of if you just watched wrestling, you
saw Oklahoma State's club coach coaching him at matches. So

(37:51):
there's that, but seems like a hint, Yeah, it's just
like this, if this relationship is already being fostered, now
you're which I mean, if you're allowed to do it shit,
it's genius. I don't think you are, but I think
it's I think they're a little loophole that they.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
May have found. But I don't know. I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
It doesn't really make it fifty miles still water, right, Yeah,
it is, it.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Is within It is within the RTC.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Right, he's in Pennsylvania, he could train inste like I
think it's within the RTC limits. I think so, don't
quote me on that. No, But I originally did see
him going to Oklahoma State. I think that Oklahoma State
is still one of the schools that ends up in his.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Top five because of the tailor factor in all of it.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
But again, like Bob Bassett, I don't see him leaving
the East Coast anymore. What are your guys thoughts on
his top five? Where do you feel like he would
fit in the best you know, and any other thoughts
you have on Jack Expors top five.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
We're talking before we got on here, and the one
that kind of stood out to me as a surprise
was Lee High just because it maybe doesn't have as
much cachet. Even though it's a great school and a
great program, it doesn't tend to be one that's like
as glitzy as as some of the other schools. But
I think that kind of shows kind of like we

(39:27):
were saying before that I think that that there is
an educational aspect to it, that he's actually considering that
there's more than just I'm going to go wrestle somewhere,
but he wants to, you know, facilitate his career graduation. Yeah,
I like seeing both North Carolina schools on there, seeing

(39:47):
as he is from North Carolina right moved up Pennsylvania
a few years ago, correct, So yeah, so good to
see that. I think that was the case, if I
remember correctly. But for me, I think a big part
of wherever he ends up going is going to be
a culture aspect of the room. And I think I

(40:10):
think I feel that way about all the the court
guys right now, because they've kind of come together as
as such, kind of a small tight knit group that's
started everything together and done everything together. That the culture
of that room is going to be important. That they
have something similar that they can kind of go into
in a college room and feel like they're part of
something bigger, which I think is what a lot of

(40:32):
them feel right now.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
So Indian Arbor. There's this place called the Arboretum, and
it's basically like a big forest, and so like maybe
he can go there and just like feel her at home.
There's lots of other nice place places in ann Arbor
to go hang out. So the pinball recruiting Pitch South.
You I'm just talking about things.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
It sounds like it on the list, is it not.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
I'm not. I'm not talking about the Sorey and Eagle Casino.
I'm Mount Pleasant. I'm talking about so No. I mean,
you know, my heart says Michigan. But whatever reason my
head says, Kevin Dresser is gonna get this done and
he's going to go to Iowa State.

Speaker 5 (41:19):
I don't know why m.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Necessarily like that fit.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
I mean, there's a few ways to look at the
way I'm looking at it though, as I mean, he
was a high school kid in the Olympic Trials, so
I think his goals are beyond college. I think it's
more RTC. You look at that list, there's only a
few proven RTCs that it would fit his aspirations. And

(41:45):
you're looking at probably Penn State, Michigan, Oklahoma State, Iowa,
you know, maybe Ohio State, as well. So there's probably
five right there that for the top RTCs. But again,
if that's his main goal, you know that those are
probably five. If he's looking for nil money, you know,
maybe I was more in that conversation. Maybe Michigan's more
up there.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
I think I was in that conversation with everyone because
of nil money. Hell, they they'd be in my conversation currently.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
Yeah, I'm sure there's brushes already talking to him, but
that's you know, that's that's another topic. But yeah, it's
it depends like you look at it too. Like I
was surprised, Robbie, I agree with wisely high in the list. Yeah,
I mean they're not traditionally top ten like they used
to be, but you know that tradition still there. They
got an up and coming, you know, young young team

(42:33):
that he might be able to join there. And you know,
if he wants to be an engineer, the guy's a
great freaking school. Yeah, Brown, that could be that too.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
You know, if he went to Lehigh, he'd have to
become a fan of Hills as well, because that entire
campus is on a very steep hill. Makes you tough,
and it makes you tough. Yeah, it also makes you
hate being there. We used to go to camp there
and they would make us run the hills. And then

(43:04):
once you get to the hill, there's those very steep
stairs outside of Grace Hall that you then have to run.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
All the way up to the top of so you.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Get to run privilege.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Ye figured something else out.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
It is.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
It is a it's an uphill battle pun intended when
you go to Lee High, but it it Uh, it's
a great school. I love seeing them in there, right,
but I mean, Austin and I can completely attest the
Lehigh Valley is very much so different than Raleigh or no,
we're still water, right like, it is not big business

(43:46):
like this right, like it just doesn't. I mean, it
does breed excellence a ka the two of us. But
let's let's be let's be honest. It's very different than
a lot of these places. Right So, I'm I don't
see him going.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
To the ACC.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
It's very like it's I just don't it's a it's
it's Big ten or Big twelve that I think him
going that I think he would he would end up
going to. And Big twelve is like it's like big
ten up here, Big twelve down here, like it's a
it's a far distance between those two.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
So and there's a good I mean, there's a good
mix of schools in here.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I mean he basically hits the major conferences ACC, Big twelve,
Big ten, you know, e w A also in there.
So he's it seems like he's open to to a
lot of different things. But man, it's it's tough for
me to not see him end up on the East

(44:50):
Coast and by that I mean Michigan or Penn State
because of what Austin talked about with RTC.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Too, you know what I mean, it's close enough.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
He just had his first official at Michigan too. I'm
not sure if you saw that the recruiting taking him
at dinner there or he took it was.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Not the Arboretum, which also has a lot of hills,
And yes, I do know it's not on the East Coast.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
But it's close enough, is what I mean. It's not
a it's not like a cray. It's not like having
to go to Still Waters. Yeah, like it's not it's
not like anything that crazy. So maybe I should say
East Coast adjacent fair Yeah, but it's but it's not
it's not the a c C. I don't see it happening. Sorry,

(45:47):
does it fit into the midden?

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Yeah, it's it's like here, okay, got it, hold on
there it goes. That looks better that way.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
It's right here.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
I love how Michigans always leave off the up like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Well, I mean it's it's not really inhabitable. I mean,
I know there are people that live there, but.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Ye come for the wrestling tax state for the geography, guys,
It's fine.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
That's exactly what you're gonna get when it comes to us.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
For the record, I would like to state that I
was the Wyoming state geography champion and I was in
sixth grade, so not a big deal.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
But that.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Adults and children or what.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
Oh state of Wyoming, it's only five hundred thousand people.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
There, you go, a nice job.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Okah, yeah, probably probably closer to five thousand people. We're
gonna pretend like Wyoming's huge.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
No smaller than Richmond.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
It's smaller than Richmond.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
So as we as we kind of wrapped up basically
every show, we always ask for common questions, different things,
and mister or maybe missus slapped the mat decided that
they were gonna hit us with it with a one
two punch, and I think that whoever this person is

(47:14):
was listening and responding in like real time of like
listening like like you really think that, and just like
banged out like a comment and then was like, oh shit,
they're going even further and just banged out another comment.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
So I want to respond to to the to the
first one.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
And you know, we made comments about David Taylor looking
tired and gassed when he wrestled Uh Trent idly specifically
and then also in that first match with Zaheed, and
the comment just basically makes us, makes it sound like
we're crazy and like he wasn't tired. So I want

(47:52):
to back this up a little bit of evidence, or
not so much evidence, but what what I saw why
I felt like he was tired. First of all, when's
the last time you saw somebody have David Taylor in
a front headlock and jump over them and score on him.
I don't think that has ever happened in his entire career.
So there was that, and then the fact of the

(48:12):
matter was exactly the fact that he stayed in that
position on the edge of the match. I understand being
ground and everything else, but David Taylor doesn't normally stay
in that position. He is a guy that goes out
and he scores. He's the original machine gun mentality, let's

(48:33):
call it what it is. And he goes out and
he scores a bunch of points. And he looked incredible
in his last match, last match against the Heed, looked amazing,
looked really good against Mock as well, But against Trent,
he looked pretty tired. And Trent was able to throw
that underhook, throw it by score a takedown right.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
The Heed.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
They went three to three last time him and the
Heed wrestled it, not three to three, that's for damn sure,
previously to the meeting in the finals obviously. So yes,
I do think that David Taylor looked a little tired.
Reason being is because going from eighty six to ninety
two is six kilos. That's over ten pounds of weight

(49:17):
that he's now carrying. And I don't care how much
he was training, he wasn't training with anybody in that room.
That at least, I don't think that was on the
same level as as a Heed or Trent Hydley, which
is why I feel like the weight had a factor,
not that it was anything like training and conditioning wise,

(49:40):
I think it was the new weight he was carrying
was different to maneuver with. He looked a lot bigger,
he looked heavier, and I think that's why he looked
gas As a result of that, I think Trent had
him tired. So your guys, thoughts, at least anything else
you want to elaborate on that We talked about last
week when it came to because I believe I think

(50:02):
all of us agreed on that. Kevin, you weren't there,
but I think all of us kind of agreed. He
looked a little bit laboring. I mean even in the
corner he was leaning hard on his coaches. Still a
ton of belief in Taylor when it comes to him
going to the two worlds. And yes, we'll get to

(50:22):
that piece of it too here in a second, because
that's the second comment from this person. But any follow
up thoughts or Kevin from you, any initial thoughts on
David Taylor looking tired against Trent or Zahead.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Well, it's it's insane to think that he wasn't a
little tired. You're tired. Wrestling's hard, You're at the trials.
These guys are going hard. And especially a young dude
like Trent, who makes who could make a locomotive tired
just under pushing it backwards on the tracks. Right, So

(50:54):
it's not like some negative thing to say David Taylor
was tired wrestling. Those man had matches. Yeah. My other
piece of evidence is you know what he was like, shit,
I cannot do that again. I gotta go pins the
heat immediately.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
And then he did.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
And that's why he's David Taylor. He's that good, you know.
So I don't know, that's my that's my thought. It's
okay that he's tired. It's not a yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I don't think we're trying to take anything away from
him at all. It was just very different to see
him look lumbering in certain positions, or to give up
to take that he gave to Trent when Trent just
underhooked him and threw it by or jumped over his
head and scored like it.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
You know, it was it was.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
It was a bit much.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
We're saying he has to turn in his Hodge trophies
and World Lympic medals.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I know, the blasphemy of saying that a guy looked tired.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
He did.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
I get tired talking to Trent sometimes I'm tired right now.
He's just full bore all the time. So I don't
blame him, you know, it's I mean, there's nothing we're
not taking, wait anything from him. He still won the matches,
he still got it through it.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
But and he'll probably look better, look better at Worlds.
I assume he'll be a little more prepared for the
size and everything else.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Yeah, you're gonna crossed that bridge now, right.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, And that's something right.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
So the other the other piece of this is us
saying that Taylor's comments about not potentially not going to Worlds,
we were playing Devil's advocate, right, Like my comment about
maybe he was just like I want to do this.
We'll cross the bridge when we get to it was
the other side of the coin. Do I seriously think

(52:40):
that they sat down and only talked about David Taylor
going to the trials?

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Hell no, Like it's not David Taylor isn't a half asser.
He just isn't.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
He's going whole ass all the time every time.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
So when they have this conversation, it's I, I'm most
likely going to win this weight. There's nobody there that
we could even potentially see beating me. We didn't even
think that he was not going to make the Olympic team. Right, So,
like they had this conversation, they sat down, they hashed
all of it out, they figured all of it out.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
This is.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
In my mind, the comments were the perfect ones to
make absolutely perfect. It's what your administration wants you to say,
because they just hired you with a lot of money
to do this job.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
They flew back and forth to come see you in
a private plane, then flew you to Stillwater in a
private plane to do this job. So him saying my
focus is my team is what he is supposed to say.
So at no point do I truly think or do
any of us truly think that he was like, hey,

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I'm going to do this thing in like two weeks. No,
he was training for a very long time.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
He continued to train.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
I think he maybe took three weeks off from training,
maybe not even a month off of training after taking
the job. Like I think all of that happened after
the Olympic trials where he was just like I'm not
gonna train, I'm done. He's entertaining this job, he's moving

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figuring out how to get all his his cows and
his chickens and his cold tub and everything else, and
what they're gonna do logistically for everything. So I think
he takes that time off to move his family and
everything else. But no, I do not think that he
took any time Like it had been a thought for
a very long time. This wasn't a spur of the

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moment decision. The comments that were made in last show
were on the flip side of the coin, right, like
maybe that was what he was getting at when he
said that.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
But no, I think they had a conversation.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
They sat down, they hashed it all out, and the
plan has already been in motion, and it's there's going
to be other there's going to be another video that
comes out in support from the administration and from his
wrestlers that hypes him up, brings the marketing. It's I'm sorry,
but it's recruiting, guys. It's recruiting freaking season. And the

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people that I spoke with at Elite Duels were like,
it's a genius recruiting tool. It is a genius recruiting tool.
That he said the right things, he's doing the right
things by the school, by the administration, by his wrestlers
and by himself. And on top of that, he's shooting
the school to the top of.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
The charts marketing wise.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
When he's saying I'm going to be focused on the team,
and then it's going to come out and say, I
appreciate all of the support from my team, from the administration.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
I will be going ahead and looking to win another
world title. End of story. But no, I it was Yes,
it was the right move. It was a pr move completely.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
It's all marketing and it's a genius marketing tool and
it's almost like my thought.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
The guy who's had a professional camera crew with him
for the past few years following him around everywhere knows
a thing or two about building his brand and highlighting
himself and putting himself a position to be successful, and.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Now he could do that with a high profile program
that he is now running.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Also, for the record, David Taylor going whole ass is
completely different than me being a whole ass, So let's
make sure everybody knows the difference.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
One thing too, that's that's unique about this situation is like,
didn't John Smith basically do this in his first season
at Oklahoma State?

Speaker 5 (56:42):
Too?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Like correct, there's a lot of presidents builded it too. Yeah,
there we go. So I mean there's enough connecting people
and mentors and tissues there for all of this to
work out one other thing, and this just popped in
my head. You guys, remember when David Taylor was bumping
up weight classes initially and decided to come back and

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wrestle at the Midlands. And it was like, awesome, David
Taylor wrestling at the Midlands, and it kind of looked
like he was tired a couple times and a little slow,
and then he shortly thereafter was awesome and winning a
bunch of world championships and titles. Like again, is it
that crazy to say, maybe that's what just happened. Yes, so.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
And the funny thing, the funny thing about you bringing
that up is the same kind of reaction happened when
he said he was wrestling at Midlands and what he
said he was coming back and wrestling at the Trials.
People were like, why are you doing this? Why is
this happening? You don't need to do this, like just
you know, be be an Olympic wrestler or whatever. It's like, guys,
he's training m h. And I don't think he ever

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wrestled at Midlands either, So he wanted to wrestle at Midlands,
so go do it. Like if any of us wanted
to wrestle at Midlands right now, we could.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
I don't want to.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
You want to see somebody like real tired.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Exactly, but like, let's call it what it is, guys,
Like he wanted to wrestle at Midlands and he wanted
to wrestle at the Trials.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
I think it's you know, it's genius marketing. He said
all the right things, and.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
I think there will certainly be another Oklahoma state We
support our new coach video that comes out in call
it a week or week or two where he's like, yeah,
I'm going you know, I just.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Wanted to have that discussion with my wrestlers and everything else.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
But they're all behind them and they all think that
it's really really cool that he's doing it. I mean,
think about that teachable moment right Like I you know
how many coaches are like I was up until three
o'clock in the morning watching film so I could be
here and make you guys better and this that, and
David Taylor's like I'm literally in this room training with

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you right now.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
To win a world title.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
If I can do these things, you can do these things.
So it's manufacture. You got to manufacture these these coachable moments.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
Fellas, Yeah, I don't know what Slap the mat his what? What?
What did he want David Tye to say, like, hey,
screw these kids, I'm going to get my world medal?

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Like yeah, well he he was mostly coming at us.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
And the comment says, do you guys really think that
DT spoke to the admin about wrestling that they said,
let's cross that bridge when we come to it. DT,
his wrestlers and ADMIN fully believe believed he would win
and he would not.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Have to He would not have entered if that wasn't
the case. That was a PR move.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
So the critics of him could say, well, at least
he is going all over with it, going over all
of it with his admin.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait so we actually were
expected to of course, that's just what you say. Yeah,
it ends the conversation. Yes, yeah, good things. Slap the
mat explained it. So that's the thing. I like, slap
the map means does it mean pen?

Speaker 2 (59:57):
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Is like, at no point where like again, we were
thinking of we were speaking of the other side of
the coin of like maybe this is the there and
this this was a scenario. Maybe that was, but no,
like we fully know that you're not just gonna speak
about going into the trials and that's it, Like there's

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it's one step in this entire game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
So yeah, we know he was training. We know he
was training for a long time. We all heard the
rumors about him entering.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Pretty sure he spoke with the admin about it, probably
while they were trying to get him to become the coach.
Pretty sure that was a conversation way back then. So
you know, I don't I don't think as much as
he it's been said that, you know, being in the
room and wrestling with those guys reignited some sort of fire.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
The fire wasn't out, guys, It really wasn't out. It
was not that we did not start the fire. It
was always burning.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Maybe really it's just an FAA issue, and the school
only allows domestic flights with the private plane and they
have to get a new kind of clearance to do
international flights. So we're just it's flight logs. Really, that's
what we're trying to figure out right now. Once you
get that figured out, we're good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yeah, you know that the the plan is in place
before the public knows.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
We know this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
We're kind of usually privy to a lot of the
information before it is public as well. So like, no,
just just playing the other side of the coin. But no, honestly,
I love slapping the mat wrestling, coming in and making
these comments. I hope you continue to make these comments.
More people come in and make these comments, challenge us,
call us idiots, ask us questions.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
I want more of it. I hope that there is
more of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Geography questions too, which I was horrible at and why
I was an English major in college because I wanted
to read and write.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
And that was it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
The big one, big, very big one. Completely yep yep.
Spent a lot of time in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
The library, fell asleep there a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Yeah, huge nerd. But no, I love these questions. I
love these comments. Paula's idiots. You know, keep it legal,
as they say, definitely keep it legal when it comes
to the comments and everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
But no, I love it. I hope that they continue
to come and we continue to grow and stuff like that. Gentlemen,
as we.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Wrap up any other comments, questions, anything that we wanted
to get to and didn't get to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Anything like that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
I think David Taylor. That just brings end in a
note on that with the how do you think he
was tired? I think tired might be relative to some people,
like was he Erica hall Is tired or was he
there's another type of tire where he's not quite David Taylor.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
That is a top tier reference.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
He was different, kind like peak right there.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
Yeah, I remember I forget who the big ten answer
was at the time, maybe Jim Gibbons because Erica Hallis
looks tired of walking off the bus.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
I it was great.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
I'll never forget that match. I was, Yeah, remember where
I was watching that thing. I was like, he is
dead on the side of the mat, so you can
get him up. That is an incredible reference. So, yeah,
he was not Erica hall Is tired. He was David
Taylor tired, which is still good enough to score a
bunch of points and pin people and when we'll do
awesome things and cows exactly. So like the more of

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our observation was based on the being becoming comfortable in
his new weight class. That's the kind of tired that
he was so yeah, and you could see it, and
it's okay to point that out. It's just like, yeah,
it's an adjustment. It's a lot of weight, you know,
Like it is a lot of weight, and if you
keep living your life, you will continue to put on weight.
And let's see how tired you get walking up the steps.

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So just pointing that out, as a thirty six year
old get tired, it happens.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
It happens.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
No, I'm not happening. It's not happening. I'm stopping at
thirty nine.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
You and I am.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
I'm calling.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
I'm gonna, yeah, I gotta have a conversation with Kyle.
I gotta figure out what the hell he's doing because
he just keep coming and I ain't a fan of it.
But no, like I said, I love the comments, Love
the questions. Keep them coming. We will discuss them. We
don't really miss out on them. I think we will.
There's there is one question that I've saved that popped

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up on a on another on another show in the comments.
But we will get to kind of a World's prep
here very soon.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
I think. You know, Worlds is coming up to the
end of October.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
So when we get a little bit closer, we'll discuss
some of those questions and things that that people have
asked on other shows, or some of those other topics
about who will be sent.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
In place for other countries as well. So if there
are any four goals, four girls, four golds, would be awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Hopefully it happens, but we were we thought we were
going to get what four goals when it came to
the Olympics, and we got none.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
So I don't want to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
The wounds are still fresh with that one. But no,
we appreciate you guys for listening.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
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